From Military Spouse to True Crime: A Case, A Calling, A Community with Rietta Boksha

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We trace the unresolved death of Heather Turner through verifiable facts, while exploring how a military spouse-turned-host balances advocacy, intuition and family life. Along the way we talk stress, functional medicine, compound grief and why facts must lead feelings.

• military life rhythms and finding stability during moves
• origins of the podcast and pivot into true crime
• how a suspect narrative unraveled under scrutiny
• key inconsistencies in timelines and 911 details
• rural connections, power dynamics and an open investigation
• advocacy through TikTok using only sourced facts
• safety, boundaries and trusting intuition
• stress, trauma and links to health and burnout
• functional medicine and root-cause thinking
• ALS, family proximity and compound grief
• facts before feelings in public discourse
• writing books, viral moments and next creative steps

Resources Mentioned

Killing Chaos Book
https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Chaos-Veterans-Didnt-Fighting/dp/B09RM4BTYJ

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Warriors fallen.
It's time for formation.
Welcome back to the MorningFormation Podcast, where we dive
deep into the stories ofresilience, service, and
transformation, stories that gobeyond the struggle, celebrate
those who went from hardship tohero, and highlight the mindset
of survivability.
I'm your host, KP, Army CombatVeteran, former law enforcement
officer, and lifelong student ofleadership tactics and the human

(00:23):
spirit.
Today I'm honored to welcomeback a great friend of mine,
Rietta Bokcha.
She's a military spouse.
Her husband is in the MarineCorps, and he's currently just
got promoted to warrant officer,right?

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah.
He's a gunner, yep.

SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Yeah, I mean, you've uh since I've met you, you
started off in Hawaii and nowyou're living on the East Coast.
You're truly living the militarylifestyle, the military spouse
lifestyle, uh, where you'reconstantly moving.
But you've had some some uh Iguess settle residents there on
the east coast, right?

SPEAKER_02 (00:59):
That's the hope.
Um, I've pretty much told myhusband at this point, because
he just hit 15 years, andbecause our son's gonna be going
into high school, I'm like, ifyou get orders to go somewhere
else, I love you, but I'mstaying here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
Yeah.
I met you uh like four years agoon Clubhouse.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19):
Yeah, I think it was Clubhouse.
Is Clubhouse even aroundanymore?

SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
It is.
I still have the app saved on myphone, and I logged in the other
day just to check it out, andthere's people still on it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
Oh, okay.
Well, good to know.
Maybe I need to go back there.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure it wasClubhouse.
We were just we both happened tobe, I think we were in a room
about podcasting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Hmm.
Yeah, I made a lot of reallydeep connections on that.
Um, for those of you that don'tknow, Clubhouses, Clubhouse is
an app that became popularduring the pandemic, and it was
an all-audio app.
There was no video.
So the only thing that you heardwas somebody's voice.
And what's odd about that isthat I found that I made deeper

(02:03):
connections with people, evenlike the nonprofit space with
ACNOEcation that I'm still apart of today, and it's been
what four or five years?
And even Rietta here, who I'vebeen in contact with over the
years.
So that's uh I don't know whythat app died.
I really don't.
I think we just got shallowagain and needed to have video.

SPEAKER_02 (02:22):
I mean, if you don't know, I certainly don't know.
I honestly didn't even know ifit still existed.
I might have to pop on therejust for for shits and giggles.
But yeah, it's kind of funny yousay that.
I think I did make some reallygood connections on there too.
Like aside from you andactually, no, you introduced me
to Robin.
I was like, did I meet youthrough Robin?
But no, it was it you introducedme to Robin.

(02:45):
So no, it was definitelyClubhouse.

SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Yeah, I reached out to her recently to see if she
wanted to do a podcast, and wehaven't been able to connect yet
and get get the our schedulesright.
Sometimes I'm very last minute,like I was with this interview,
and I appreciate you beingflexible and jumping on with me
because Rietta, I've beenmeaning to catch up to you.
You've pivoted so much in thelast few years, and I've been uh

(03:10):
sort of staying in in touch andin contact with what you're what
you've got going on.
And can you talk to me a littlebit about your podcasts?
Um, and then also to what youjust started recently with the
truth vibes.

SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, um, as you know, but foranybody who's new, uh, I started
a podcast actually right beforethe pandemic, ironically, with
my cousin.
It started out as a joke.
We just wanted to get on andtalk about our crazy family
because we come from a prettybig family, and uh it morphed
into so much more than that.
We now talk to, or well, nowit's just me.

(03:46):
Uh Connie has since become a momand just doesn't have the time,
which is totally understandable,but I wasn't ready to hang up
the reins.
But we've talked to so manyincredible people, basically the
everyday heroes of our lives,you know, the people that have
literally walked through theshit and come out the other
side.
Uh, like you know, you've talkedto John.

(04:07):
You know, John is a greatexample of somebody that is
massively resilient that cameback for more a quadruple
amputee and has since had tworeal arms transplanted on his
body.
But I've talked to cancersurvivors, double lung trans
recipients, people who have beenthrough all sorts of different
types of trauma.
And how I ended up in the trucktrue crime space was it

(04:31):
literally just fell into my lap.
It was not anything that I likesought after.
I mean, I've always beenfascinated with it, which I know
men make a lot of jokes about,like, oh, all these wives are
into the true crime stuff.
They're gonna, they're gonnagang up on us one day.
But it was just somebody in Iinterviewed that actually is
from the group that I thinkyou're in too, KP, on Facebook,

(04:51):
where you can find the gueststhat's got like there's like
70,000 people in that group.
And he actually was in thatgroup, uh, but his name was um,
I guess an alias you could callit.
It wasn't his real name.
So I didn't find out who heactually was and who his wife
was until after I interviewedhim.
And of course, I look it up andall these articles come up about

(05:15):
what happened, and I'm like, ohmy god, what did I get myself
what did I get myself into?
So I just hung on to theinterview for a year.
Um, to be completely honest, Iwas not in the headspace or the
understanding to even know whatI had with his interview.
And initially I did really feelbad for him.
Um, he came on to talk about however since his wife's passing,

(05:37):
he had been bullied on theinternet.
I had recently been bullied onthe internet, so I really felt
sympathy for him.
And then later on, once I reallydived into the case, I was like,
this is not this is not at allwhat I thought it was.
Not even close.

SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
So from the podcast and being in that Facebook
group, you were looking forguests.

SPEAKER_01 (05:57):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
Um, and the podcast is how to deal when the shit
gets real.
Right.
And I I thought you and Conniemade a really great tandem.
I remember being interviewed byboth of you, and there was a lot
of chemistry between both ofyou, and and you were both very
driven, and you understood yourroles and everything, and and I
understand like chapters change,and Connie became a mother.
And um, I'm glad to hear thatyou kept it going though.

(06:20):
And it's funny how you stumbleupon certain things, like a
particular guest that kind ofpivots you in a new direction.
Um, what was that interactionlike when you first started
talking to this individual?

SPEAKER_02 (06:32):
So when I first started talking to him, it did
feel off.
And it was also, it wasn't justhim, it was him and his son.
So I was talking to, and Ibelieve his son at the time was
he was pretty much an adult.
I think he was 18.
Um and it just it did.
It felt weird from thebeginning.
He's written a book about thewhole situation.
He was trying to get a moviemade, and I know everybody

(06:54):
grieves differently, and I'm nottrying to judge, but it just
felt weird that his wifesupposedly committed suicide and
he's trying to profit off that.
It just it felt icky.
And I'm sure probably peoplelistening are going, What?
Why?
And that was exactly my initialreaction.

(07:15):
Why would you write a book?
I mean, I could see writing abook maybe as like a memoir,
right, but not as a way to makeincome.
So it just it didn't feel rightfrom the beginning.
I just couldn't quite put myfinger on it at first.

SPEAKER_00 (07:29):
It wasn't a book what I was feeling.
It wasn't a book about coping,it was a book about her suicide
and her killing herself.

SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
I haven't read it, so I can't tell you for certain
what it's all about, but fromwhat I've heard, it's it's yeah,
it's about her suicide, it'sabout everything they've dealt
with after how they were, youknow, getting their house spray
painted and tires cut, andthere's chapters written by all
four children, and it's justit's very strange.

SPEAKER_00 (07:59):
So when you first started talking to this guest
off of the Facebook group, whatwas the connection?
Like you think it was just youstumbled upon them and they
stumbled upon you, and theconversation started, or were
they from somewhere?

SPEAKER_02 (08:16):
Have you looked, have you gotten guests in there?
So I I kind of just made a post,and you know, and you go through
all the comments.
So essentially I just made apost saying, Hey, I'm looking
for guests for my podcast.
This is usually what we talkabout.
You know, if you're interested,let me know below.
And actually, somebody taggedhim.
So he didn't even um he wasn'teven the one that initially
responded.
He got tagged by somebody else.

(08:37):
And I usually respond to prettymuch everybody.
You know, if somebody'sinterested and you have a pretty
good story, you know, I'm gonnagive you an opportunity to come
on the podcast and chat.
And out of all the people I'veinterviewed, you know, I'm 200
plus episodes deep at thispoint.
Really haven't had a bad one.
So I always give everybody ashot.
Didn't really think anything ofit until I was already like neck

(08:59):
deep.
And I'm going, oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
So you you just mentioned you haven't had a bad
guest.
Do you really mean that?

SPEAKER_02 (09:07):
I've of course I'm not gonna call anybody.
I've had maybe I could think ofone off the top of my head that
I literally told her, I'm like,I'm sorry, thank you for your
time.
But I and I had interviewed, Iinterviewed her and everything.
I just told her I wasn't gonnause it.
Um she got super mad.
And I was really polite, didn'tsay anything mean, but that was
really the only one out of likethe 200 I can think of.

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
I've had I have had guests before that I didn't
think would be bad and they endup being really bad.
I've had guests that I didn'tthink they would be very good,
but then they surprise me.
So you just really don't know.
You know, it's that's true.
Like on one hand, if you pick aguest that is polished and they

(09:50):
have their story created andalso polished, they have their
marketing together.
It feels a little artificial,but sometimes when you find a
guest that's kind of in therough, it feels a little more
authentic.
And it's like I it's weirdbecause like some of my best
episodes are people that havenever been on a podcast before.

(10:12):
Um and so it's it's I don'tknow, for me it's been really
hit and miss, but to kind ofstumble upon an interesting
story like the one you'retalking about.
So basically it was someone thatwas tagged, and then this guy
had a story where he was tryingto profit off of a situation
where his wife killed him,killed herself.
Um which and then it sounds likeyou started researching a little

(10:36):
bit more and a little bit more,and things just got kind of
strange.
At any point, did you have aconversation with him?

SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
No, I've never I've decided not to reach out to him
directly because he does notrespond well.
Um so this is about HeatherTurner.
I have no problem saying hername.
Um, you'll know who the husbandis right away if you look him
up, but I'm not gonna give himany clout because he doesn't
serve it.
Um, and I'm not gonna bash himeither because that's not my
job.
Um I do do TikToks on it, but Ionly give the facts.

(11:06):
My opinion does not matter.
Heather is the only thing thatmatters.
So when I started looking intothe case, it just didn't make
sense.
And you as a law enforcementperson will understand, like so
she supposedly killed herself,but she was completely nude,
wet, had just gotten out of theshower with her daughter, her

(11:27):
eight-year-old daughter in thehouse.
I can't think of any mother thatwould do that.
And then she also supposedlyshot herself with her
non-dominant hand, which again,who does that?

SPEAKER_01 (11:38):
That's odd.

SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
It's all very strange.
And the weapon was not next toher, it was wrapped in a bloody
towel next to the toilet.
So if she supposedly unalivedherself, you can tell I'm used
to talking on TikTok.
If she supposedly harmedherself, why did he move the
weapon?
He took off his bloody t-shirt.
Why would he do that?

(11:59):
There's just so many weirdthings he called his parents
before he called 911.
There's a 30-minute gap betweenwhen she was deemed gone and
when the 911 call was made.
What happened in that 30minutes?
Like there's just so manyunanswered questions.

SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
That's interesting.
So what was the what was theverdict from the police report?
Do you have any idea?

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
It's still open, it has never been closed.
Um, he claims that it was deemeda self-unaliving of suicide
within the first three hours,which is not true.
He was confusing.
You know how when everybodyleaves the scene, they close the
scene.
He thought that meant that theyclosed the case, which is not
what happened.
It's so it's never been closed.

(12:45):
It is still an openinvestigation.
It's been eight years.
It was never deemed suicide, andit was never deemed homicide.

SPEAKER_00 (12:51):
Now, is this in a a rural location?

SPEAKER_02 (12:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
That also plays a huge factor.

SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
It's in Pauldon County, Georgia, which is a
small town in Georgia.
Um, his mother works for theprobate court, so he also has
connections.
He has a connection to the DA.
Um, the DA is different now, butwhen the case happened, he had a
very deep connection to the DA.
Um, he probably has moreconnections than that.
So it's a good old boys situit's a it's literally a good old

(13:20):
boys situation down there.

SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
Yeah, people think that that's something from like
the 1950s or the 1960s, but someof those rural communities with
local small police departmentsthat have strong ties, uh
sometimes can be corrupt and canbe very tight-knit type of
communities where they cover foreach other.

(13:43):
So I mean at that point.

SPEAKER_02 (13:45):
I mean, something's clearly going on because he's
never even been formallyquestioned by police, which that
should have been done from thevery get-go.
If something ever happened tome, heaven forbid, or something
ever happened to my husband, Iwould hope they would question
me.
I'd want them to question mebecause that's their job.

SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
Right.
That sounds that sounds prettywild.
So, how deep did you get intoit?
Like I know you say you you'vedone TikToks.
What's been some of theresponses that you've seen?

SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
Um, so there's a gal that has been an advocate for
Heather from the beginning.
Her name is Mary.
She runs the Justice for HeatherTurner page on Facebook and
TikTok.
So um I'm become very close withher, obviously.
And um she's just so grateful tohave somebody else on her side.
And people are usually veryreceptive because unlike a lot

(14:36):
of people on TikTok, and I'm nottrying to bash anybody on
TikTok, I don't, I like I said,I don't give my opinion.
I just I literally read fromcourt documents, I read from
newspaper articles, and justgive the facts and then let
people decide what they thinkbased on what I give them.

SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
So have you gotten any response from the family or
anybody on the other side of thecase?

SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
So GBI won't respond to us at all.
Um, I've gotten responses fromthe coroner.
She's very nice.
She's sent me the report.
I've been able to read over thecoroner's report.
Um Mary talks more directly tolike Pauldon County itself.
I don't really talk to thepolice department.
The only thing I did do was Isent them my interview.
I sent them the podcastinterview for them to look over.

(15:20):
They never said anything.
So don't know what happened withthat.
It's all very strange.

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
Yeah, so you did a podcast interview with with who?

SPEAKER_02 (15:29):
So with him and his son.

SPEAKER_00 (15:32):
Hmm.
Okay, okay.
So you started looking into thecase and then you had a
conversation with him.
Did you release the podcast?

SPEAKER_02 (15:40):
I did not release the podcast, but I have released
released some of the audiobecause I use some of what he
told me in the interview, and Icross and do a cross-analysis
with you know other documentsbecause he consistently tells
different stories.
So what he told me will bedifferent than what he told
another podcaster or what hetold the newspaper or what he

(16:02):
told, you know, somebody else.
He has so many different storiesabout what happened.

SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Like, for example, one of the biggest differences
has to do with his daughter.
Um on the day that Heathersupposedly killed herself.
In the 911 call itself, theoperator asked him, Is there
anybody else in the house?
You know, very standard questionfor a 911 operator ask.
And he says, Yes, my daughter'shere.

(16:30):
She asked him where he where sheis.
She's asleep on the couch.
When I interviewed him, he saidhe heard a noise, wasn't sure
what it was, ran to go see, andhim and the daughter met at the
bathroom door, and he opened thedoor and you know, he saw the
whole thing.
She supposedly only saw like hermother's legs, and then he

(16:50):
grabbed her and ran her out ofthe room.
So those are two very, verydifferent stories.

SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
So has this led you down a path to take a look at
other cases?

SPEAKER_02 (17:03):
I've had people ask me, I haven't yet.
Um stuff like this, especiallybecause Heather's case has gone
on so long, I've tried to justfocus on Heather and until we
can get an answer, even if it'snot necessarily an answer we
want.
I actually have a dear friendwho just told me about her
sister, and her sister's case iswild too.

(17:25):
Um I did start reading about it,but I haven't started making
like videos or anything on ityet.
I don't really like, I mean, youknow me, I like to do a lot of
different things, but with stufflike this, it just it feels like
one case at a time is how itshould be done.
You know, one case deserves likea full attention.

SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Right.
It's not time to move on yet.
The uh what about Heather'sfamily?

SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
I've talked to her Aunt Cindy once.
She's a sweetheart, but she'sunderstandably absolutely
heartbroken.
Uh, she viewed Heather as adaughter.
And you know, you it's a heavything for her to carry to not
have an answer.
So I I don't reach out to hertoo much.
I don't want to constantly bethat reminder.
Um, but they know they know thatI'm working on it and that I

(18:10):
have good intentions and thatI'm here for them.
But it's hard.
That's one of the reasons that Ido keep working on this and at
least want an answer because Ican't imagine how they feel not
having answers about Heather.

SPEAKER_00 (18:24):
Have they started any type of like fundraiser or
anything like that to hire likea private investigator?

SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
From what I remember, because again, I came
into this way later.
Uh, they did hire a privateinvestigator at one point and it
just they didn't it didn'tresult in anything.
And like I said, Mary's beenworking on this for seven and a
half years since she's been init, and it's just it's been an
uphill battle.
We can't get sell on answers,they'll only release so much

(18:52):
information.
I was able to get a report thatnobody else was able to get, so
there was that, but our handsare kind of tied and we're just
doing the best I can or best wecan, and that's why I just I
keep putting it on TikTok.
And recently I started going allthe way back because he was
married once before and startedgiving a full breakdown of his

(19:13):
history because it shows a clearpattern of abuse, of
manipulation, of lying to lawenforcement, of criminal
activity.
So I went all the way back andwe're just I'm running through
the whole timeline to just showhe's been like this long before
Heather.

SPEAKER_00 (19:32):
Yeah, that's the one thing is like consistency over
time versus like having oneevent happen is usually some
form of guilt in in a sense.
Like when you show consistent Iguess characteristics, crimes,
things like that.
What's your husband?
What's your husband who who's inthe Marine Corps?

(19:54):
What what does he think aboutall this?

SPEAKER_02 (19:57):
Um he he's such a good support of me.
I'm sure sometimes he's like,this girl's nuts, but he's such
a good husband, he's sosupportive.
Um, he always is supportive ofeverything I do, which I'm very
blessed.
And uh he's probably just happythat I'm busy doing something.

SPEAKER_00 (20:12):
You know what?
Hey, I don't know how it was.
Well, I know how it was backwhen I was in the military, but
it seems like military spousestoday live healthier lives
because they're involved inthings that are actually
progressive.
Whereas like when I was in themilitary, I felt like, you know,
prior to us having the socialmedia that we have today and

(20:33):
we're able to connect withlike-minded people uh before we
had this, you were kind of stuckwith whoever you were surrounded
with, and that was it.
And a lot of times the influenceon some of the bases were not
positive, they were prettynegative in a sense of getting
into just stupid shit.
Like um, but today I know a lotof military spouses that are

(20:54):
like running businesses aremaking connections, even you and
I making a connection like fourfour years ago.
I can't even believe that.
Um during the pandemic.
I mean, it's been it's beenpositive.
So it's it's good to see thatturn with military spouses uh
like yourself that are doingpositive things and and living
healthier lives.

(21:14):
And also, too, like I don't knowoutside of you just talking to
you and stuff, but it seems likeyou and Kyle have a really
strong because military life, amilitary family is hard, like
but you guys have a reallystrong relationship, a really
comfortable, strong, supportiveuh relationship where he's going
on TDY deployments and thingslike that, and you're holding it

(21:36):
down, but then you're alsogetting involved in positive
things like this.
So um it's refreshing to hearthat.
It's refreshing to hear likemilitary spouses are now getting
involved in more positive thingsthan when I was in, I think.
Um with any of the stuff thatyou've been doing, do you fear

(21:58):
anything?
Do you fear that there might besomebody out there that will be
like this girl?
Let's let's stalk this girl.

SPEAKER_02 (22:09):
You know what?
If you asked me that a couple ofyears ago, I probably would have
said yes.
Um but now no.
Uh nobody can hurt me unless Iallow them to.
And I'm not gonna allow them to.
Uh that was actually one of thefirst things that Mary said to
me when I started helping withthis case.
She's like, he might come afteryou.
And I was like, I'm not worriedabout it.

(22:31):
He can't touch me.
And if he does, it's just gonnamake him look more guilty.
Because why why is he gonna comeafter me?
For what purpose?

SPEAKER_00 (22:38):
Yeah.
I think I think about thatsometimes when people cover like
cold cases or true crime casesthat are unresolved and they get
a lot of information.
Um in today's world, I can tellyou as a person who has been
stalked before, that it is scarywhen you find out that somebody

(23:00):
was watching you and somebodywas aware of where you were at
different times.
I've had to get restrainingorders before, uh, just once.
Restraining orders, justrestraining order.
I don't want to be clear aboutthat, but I mean Yeah, just one.
And it was when I was finishingup my college and had just
gotten commissioned into thearmy, uh, and it was a it was

(23:21):
another um fellow NationalGuardsman that had some mental
issues and had had gottenseveral of our names off of an
alpha roster that was sitting infront of an orderly room and
just one day went cable guy oneverybody.
Just started calling or juststarted calling people.

(23:42):
And at first Yeah, at first wethought that it was just oh,
this guy's you know, reachingout for friendship or and that
quickly turned into like JimCarrey cable guy, like you're my
best friend, and borderline likefatal attraction.

(24:02):
It was weird, man, like and itwas embarrassing at the same
time.
And you know, I had just gottencommissioned into the army and I
had to tell the professor ofmilitary science what happened.
I had to file like a becauselike it went as far as like I
got my car vandalized, I gotfollowed, had to like drive to a
police station the whole nineyards.
So that experience has caused meto be a little more guarded, and

(24:26):
uh since going into lawenforcement stuff, um it's I I'm
also protective in a way, butI'm not worried anymore.
But um, I always wondered iftrue crime people ever thought
about that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
I mean it's understandable, especially
because it's already happened toyou that you're a little more
about it.
But I just uh I just staypositive.
I say in my mind, like I youyou've talked to Robin.
I don't know how in depth you'vetalked to Robin, but Robin talks
about you create your ownreality.
So if I'm creating my ownreality, I'm not creating any

(25:02):
scipos in my reality.

SPEAKER_00 (25:04):
That you know, I wanted to ask you about that
because I know what Robin does.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:09):
Robin's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
So what she is very amazing.
Like it I think it's reallyinteresting what she does.
Uh have you uh counseled withher about this?

SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Um, not about this in particular, but I've worked
with Robin.
Robin actually has be has becomeprobably one of my dearest
friends.
Uh I talk to her prettyregularly, and she runs, she
calls it a VIP group, and I wasa part of it for a while, and it
actually was exactly what Ineeded at the time.
Um very empowering.

(25:43):
Uh I don't wanna I know you'regonna talk to her, so I don't
want to take away fromeverything she does, but it's
just if you're familiar withlike Dr.
Dispenza, Dr.
Joe Dispenza, or like NavalGoddard, or even Bashar or all
these names might be completelygoing over your head, but it's
all some people think of it'swoo-woo.

(26:05):
There is definitely a balancebetween like science and
woo-woo, but it just essentiallyyou're just taking control of
your own life.
It's just different ways tophrase it.
And like I said, I'm not ifsomebody's not meant to be in my
life, they're they're gone.
I'd boundaries.
I mean, I used to let peoplewalk all over me.
I was the biggest peoplepleaser.
I would do anything for anyone,and I still will if you're my

(26:27):
people.
But if you're not my people, youcan go.
Don't let the door hit you onthe way out.

SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
Yeah.
So uh how would you describewhat Robin does?

SPEAKER_02 (26:36):
Ooh, that's kind of hard because she does a lot of
amazing things.
Um, I guess probably some peoplewould call her a life coach, but
I think it's it's so much morethan that.
I feel like life coach is not ayeah, she's a spiritual coach.
She teaches you how to get outof victim mentality.
Are you you know I think a lotof us get stuck in like
everything's happening to me.

(26:56):
And she essentially gets you outof everything's happening to me
and everything's happening forme.
So that's a very big switch ofmindset.

SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
No, she is fascinating.
I remember she used to do thetarot card reading.
That was wildly successful onTikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (27:12):
And tarot is a very small portion of what she does.
Like what she really does isamazing.

SPEAKER_00 (27:18):
Yeah, I've been I've been meaning to get her on the
on the podcast at some point.
It just haven't been able toconnect yet and make that make
that date and time.

SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
But um Yeah, I've actually interviewed her three
times.
Um we have another one that'sgonna come out, which is gonna
be a really nice and I thinkimportant one is like she's
talking about what it's like tobe the person with the illness.
Because as you know, she has shehas cancer.

SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (27:43):
And then I'm talking about what it's like being the
family member of somebody withan illness.

SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
Yeah.
I also want to give a shout outtoo, because Robin was a Marine.
Is a Marine.

SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
Robin was a Marine.
Yeah, yeah, always a Marine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
She doesn't she doesn't say much about it, and
I've told her before, like, youneed to like let people know
that you're a Marine.

SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
Yeah, she and she's a badass.
Like, she really is.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:11):
So what do you think the next uh next steps for the
overall like true crime or orwhat's like what do you think
your next pivot's gonna be?
Are you gonna stick with the howto deal with the shit gets real
podcasts, or do you think truthvibes is gonna take over, or are
you gonna stick to this caseuntil you come to some

(28:32):
resolution, like or it getssettled?

SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
I'm definitely not gonna stop with Heather until we
get some sort of resolution.
Um I'm a firm believer in that,like I got this this happened
for a reason, you know.
Like I interviewed him for areason, I found out about this
case for a reason, like it cameto me for a reason, whatever
that might be.
I'm not sure yet, but clearly itwas meant to be.

(28:57):
So I'm gonna work Heather's caseuntil it gets resolved, whether
it's the answer we want or not.
Um, I d I do love true crime.
I still will probably always Imean it's always gonna be how to
deal when the shit gets real.
That can still be true crime,right?
It could still be me talking topeople and doing true true
crime.
Um I mean, look at look at likeBunny XO.

(29:19):
She talks about all sorts ofthings.
So I think that's what'sbeautiful about this new
generation that's coming up.
You know, we were always toldyou have to niche, you have to
niche.
You can only do one thing.
But it's really coming out nowthat like you can you can do
whatever you want.
And if I'm pulled to do twocrime one week, I'll do it.
If I'm pulled to do somethingelse another week, I'll do it.

unknown (29:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:41):
Plus it keeps it interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (29:42):
Yeah, as long as you have that bandwidth and
willingness to do it for sure,and it it's pat it's a passion
for you.
Um I I also am a believer oflike the woo woo and science and
all this stuff because one thingthat I've learned over the
years, especially with socialmedia, politics, all this other
stuff.
The answer is always somewherein the middle.

(30:03):
It's never Democrat orRepublican.
It's never science or woo-woo.
It's like when you say woo-woo,we're talking about the the the
I guess the sort of paranormal,right?
Or like the spiritual side ofthings.

SPEAKER_02 (30:15):
Spiritual, yeah.
I mean, you could even call itparanormal.
Like I brought up Bashar, whicha lot of people are probably
like, um, Bashar is a channeler.
Um, if you don't know who he is,um, and he is said to be
channeling um an entity, youknow, like a I don't want to say
alien.
I don't know exactly what hecalls it, but it's an entity not
in this world.
So a lot of people automaticallyare like, this guy's a he's a

(30:38):
quack.
But if you listen to what he'sactually delivering, whether you
believe in his channeling ornot, the message is still
powerful.

unknown (30:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
And that's somebody on TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (30:47):
He's all over the place.
I'm surprised you haven't seenhim.
He's really big, but yeah, he'son TikTok, he's on Instagram, he
has his own page.
People go and see him in person.
He's he's really big.
He talks about synchronicities,which sorry, I didn't mean to
cut you off.
He talks about synchronicities,which is how I feel about
Heather.
A synchronicity is like he callsthem red light and green light

(31:08):
synchronicities.
So green light means like you'reon the right path.
And a red light is like maybesomething stops you.
And it's not necessarily sayingthat you're not meant to do it,
it just means you're not meantto do it right now.
You can come back to it later.
So when I got Heather's case,that was a synchronicity for me
because it just aligned that itcame from somebody that was
coming from my podcast that Ihad no intent of talking to, and

(31:30):
it turned into this true crimecase, and clearly I was meant to
work on it.
So that's why I followed it.

SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
I truly believe things happen for a reason.
Truly believe that.
Especially if you're the type ofperson who is progressive and
really willing to get thingsdone.
And I I truly believe, because Iwas told this once, and actually
I think Robin told me this too.
She said Robin told me that thatI have a little bit of um, I

(32:00):
don't want to say psychic, but Ipersonally have a little bit of
spirituality.
And we had that conversation,and she talked about that
sometimes when you're a childand you experience uh a lot of
trauma, that your mind and yourbrain develops like this almost
like sixth sense.
So when you meet someone, youcan almost tell who they are

(32:24):
within the first minute ofmeeting them.
Like you can see their soulalmost.
And the reason why your minddoes that is because your mind
develops this protective partwhere when you're a child, you
don't know what's gonna happenwhen that door opens.
You don't know if it you'regonna get smacked or if you're
gonna witness something.

(32:44):
So your mind to protect itselfdevelops almost like a third
eye.
And Robin had mentioned thatthat I had that.
And and I do feel thatsometimes.
Like I do feel like I can sensethings from people.
Something's wrong, and I'll I'llask them, be like, is everything
okay?
And they're like, Yeah, why'dyou ask?

(33:06):
And they're putting up thismask, and I can tell it's there,
and I'm like, because I cansense something's wrong.
Like I need you like, iseverything okay?
And then later on they'llthey'll pull me aside and be
like, Yeah, actually thingsaren't okay.
And it's weird that you asked methat question right now at this
time.
And I was like, something aboutyou is telling me that like you
just have this aura surroundingyou that's like not right.

(33:29):
And and I've heard that beforeprior to Rob and me saying that.
Um, but it makes sense.
Have you heard anything aboutabout that before?
About childhood.

SPEAKER_02 (33:38):
I mean we Yes, absolutely.
Robin has talked about that, andwe're all intuitive.
We all have intuitive typeabilities.
It's just we forgot how to usethem.
We we get so caught up in justyou know the day-to-day and the
daily that we forget to trustourselves, essentially.
Your intuition is reallytrusting yourself, right?

(34:00):
And how many times a day do youhear that little voice and
you're just like quiet.

SPEAKER_01 (34:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:05):
But most of the time that little voice is what you
should be listening to and notall the yammer out here.

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Yeah.
So Gavin DeBecker writes areally good book called The Gift
of Fear, and he talks aboutintuition.
And that's the word I waslooking for.
Intuition.
You you can you I had a feelingit was a stronger intuition.
I was describing like third eyeand all this weird shit.
But like uh, I was actuallytalking about intuition, and he
writes a really good book wherehe talks about intuition and how

(34:32):
it's been developed over theyears, from the time we were
like cavemen and cavewomen, youknow, avoiding the the giant
predators out there, thetotality of the circumstance is
sort of pulled together in yourmind, and then it's telling you,
run.
But in today's society, we'retoo afraid to be stereotypical,

(34:55):
discriminative, or any of thatstuff that like we we tell our
intuition, like, shut up, likeI'm okay.
Like you're walking down a darkalley and you just feel like
something's not right, and thenyour subconscious is telling
your intuition to shut up,basically.
And so a lot of a lot of it isthat's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
Yeah, it's that it's also we have stressed ourselves
out so much, and we're doing somuch that we are constantly in a
state of fight or flight, whichwe're not meant to be in.
We're not meant to constantly bein fight or flight, and that's
why so many people nowexperience burnout, experience
whatever else that they might behaving, sometimes it comes up as

(35:36):
autoimmune diseases becausewe're just constantly in this
state that we're not supposed tobe in because we're stressing
ourselves out.
Even animals, animals are agreat example, they have fight
or flight too, right?
But if a deer gets chased by awolf one or whatever it gets
chased by and it runs away andthen it's gone, it goes right
back to eating.
It forgets it's done with that.

(35:58):
It that's a memory, it's donewith it.
We're like we stay in that forsometimes years, and then we
wonder why we're so sick all thetime.
It's it's kind of crazy.
We just need to get back intouch with ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 (36:13):
You're a thousand percent right about that,
because when I was 23, Ideveloped uh an autoimmune
disorder with my um intestine.
So I I ended up getting ulcer ofcolitis at 23.
And I would go to the doctorsand they would give me medicine.
And I would I would go back tothe doctors and say, well, this

(36:34):
medicine gave me dry mouth, thismedicine made me do this, and
then they would take it back andthen they would give me another
one.
And then I would go back andgive them the feedback, and then
they would take it back and giveme another one.
And I noticed a trend, and I waslike, I'm a lab rat for these
guys.
Like, they don't know how to fixwhat I have, which a lot of the
intestinal autoimmune diseasesfrom diverticulitis to

(36:55):
ulceropcolitis to Crohn's, theyno one can really explain why it
happens.
But the one thing that I'velearned is that, as a matter of
fact, prior to me deploying, Iwas really concerned because I
was not well all the time.
I would have these flare-ups atrandom times, and um the army

(37:16):
back then in 2004, they gave mea big box of like medicine and
just gave it to me and said,Good luck, good luck, kid.
You go down range, if you haveany issues, just go uh go to the
nearest sick call.
Fortunately, when I was there, Ididn't have really any any major
issues.
I was able to control it.
But what I did learn is what youwhat you're talking about right

(37:38):
now, and I have a buddy rightnow that has diverticulitis and
is having terrible terribleflare-ups uh to the point where
he can't work.
Um the one thing I did learn wasthat stress is the underlying
cause.
If you have, I was talking to myniece about this, if you have
issues inside of you, tr traumathat you're internalizing, your

(38:01):
body and your mind has a way ofslowing you down.
And I think that's why youeither hair falls out, rashes,
um, or you end up just havingsome autoimmune disorder,
something will happen to you andyour body will like try to wake
you up and say, look, you needto figure this out.

SPEAKER_02 (38:22):
Yeah.
And by that time, it's beenhappening for so long.
Your body, like that's like yourbody's last stitch effort to get
your attention.
Um, I've actually had severalfunctional medicine guests on my
podcast.
And if you haven't looked intofunctional medicine, um, I do
recommend it at least likelooking into it just for an
understanding because instead ofdoing what you're talking about

(38:44):
where they just give you amedicine, essentially slapping a
band-aid on it, functionalmedicine actually tries to
understand the root cause ofwhat made you sick from the
beginning.
And a lot of times it is.
It's that childhood trauma thatmaybe you don't remember or you
forgot about or you never got Imean, you you don't really ever
get over it, so I don't want tosay get over, but that you never

(39:07):
I don't even know what theproper word would would be, but
you get what I'm saying.
Like that you never just addressYou try to contain it as much as
you can.

SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
It's like a it's in this lockbox or this trunk.
And the older you get, thatthose latches get weaker.
And it will come back to hauntyou.

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
Exactly.
And it comes out in all sorts ofdifferent ways.
I had another guest that wasamazing.
I actually highly recommend youinterview him.
If it'd be something youinterest he stutters brain waves
and what is happening in yourbrain like while you're having a
panic attack, for example.
And he talked about how hecouldn't sleep and come to find

(39:46):
out his sleeping issues stemmedall the way back from when he
was a baby.
His mom didn't hold him for thefirst year.
Like talk about making aconnection that that's not even
something you remember, but yourbody remembered.

SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
Yeah, and it's yeah.
There is a lot of things thatyou may not you may not even
realize.
Um you you connected with MattStack at one time, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
Yeah, Matt's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
So he he wrote the book um Something about Chaos.
Chaos, yes.
And I was just trying to look itup because I remember it because
I it's a really, really greatbook.
Um what's what's the what's thename of his uh of his book?
Living in Chaos.

SPEAKER_02 (40:27):
It's got a longer name.
Yeah.
Let's see if we can see if wecan pull up on Amazon real
quick.
Hold on.
Fan stack.
I love his name.
His name is just so epic as itis.
Killing Chaos, how veterans canwin the war they didn't even
know they were fighting.

SPEAKER_00 (40:45):
That that guy talking to him was like talking
to a therapist almost.
Like he touched on so manythings, right?

SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
Yeah, he's a wealth of knowledge.
Great guy.

SPEAKER_00 (40:55):
Yeah, killing chaos.
It was um, and what the one ofthe one of the things he talked
about was if you grow up inchaos and you become an adult,
you have the tendency torecreate that chaos, even if it
doesn't exist around you.
So it affects your relationshipsfor the rest of your of the rest
of your life if you don't figureout what's going on.

(41:16):
And a lot of veterans, I youknow, I think that that book is
a really healthy book because itit will force you to take some
accountability of yourself.

SPEAKER_02 (41:24):
Absolutely.
And uh, I mean, the old saying,chaos breeds chaos, it's
absolutely right.
And it's one of the reasons likeI keep my house neat because if
my house is dirty, then myanxiety is out through the roof.
You know, you gotta find yourways.

SPEAKER_00 (41:42):
You gotta be self-aware and you gotta be
accountable for sure.
Um just talking talking to Matt.
And it's it's a short book, bythe way.
And I want to make sure that Iremember to put the links for
everything that we're talkingabout during this interview um
in the podcast notes.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
But um I thought you were just over there writing
shit about me, writing.

SPEAKER_00 (42:04):
I was just drawing, I was just doing a portrait of
you, like drawing it's like astick figure.
And uh no, I'm I I know I love II like taking notes and coming
coming back to certain topicsthat that uh talking about.
Cause I I like forget and I andI move on.
But uh who did you mention?
Who who who was it that you saidthat studies brainwaves?

SPEAKER_02 (42:23):
Like I said his name, and actually I'll uh I'm
I'm just because I'veinterviewed so many people, I
don't always remember.
Let me say that.

SPEAKER_00 (42:33):
Well, yeah, I will definitely I'll definitely be
interested in that becausethere's a whole there's a whole
because I personally wentthrough it myself.
Um I think that a lot ofveterans need to take more
accountability and be moreself-aware because I've seen
more times than not veterans,especially combat veterans, say,

(42:54):
Well, the world just doesn'tunderstand me.
They don't understand me, theydon't understand me.
But the thing is, is flip it,flip it the other way.
Do you understand them?
Like, do you are you meetingthem halfway in the middle of
the pasture so that you canunderstand them?
And I that's what changed mymindset overall when it comes to
uh mentally being tolerable tosit at the Thanksgiving table

(43:18):
next to other people that havenever experienced the stress and
anxiety that I've experiencedthrough combat and through like
growing up in a broken home.

SPEAKER_02 (43:29):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Um his name is Jeffrey Cole,just so I don't forget to tell
you, but Jeffrey is spelled witha G.
It's almost like G O E.

SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Uh C O L E.

SPEAKER_02 (43:42):
Yes, C O L E.
Yep.
His middle initial is A.
I think he gives the middleiniti because I because I think
there is somebody else out therethat um has a similar name.
He also goes by G he goes byjust G sometimes.
Um but I can I'll send you somelinks for him.
But that's I mean, I've talkedto a lot of people, but that's
one of the most I learned somuch for him.

(44:05):
I've gone back and listened tothat episode myself a couple
times just because he's got somany great little nuggets and is
just fascinating.
I'd love to go down to I thinkhe's in Tampa, he's in Florida
for sure, and visit like theirfacility where they help people.

SPEAKER_00 (44:22):
Yeah.
Robin's mentioned Robin andanother friend of mine named
Yasmin, um, who does Trend Lab,she she's also very much into
the um, I don't want to call italternative alternative
medicine.
It's more natural medicine, orwhat was the phrase you called
it earlier?

SPEAKER_02 (44:40):
Um, well, you might be thinking of something
different.
Um, functional medicine.
I don't it I don't know if itwould fit in the same thing that
you're talking about, but we'llsee.
But yeah, functional medicineis, you know, like there's
practitioners that they stilllook at like your blood work and
stuff, but instead of likegoing, here's this medicine,
good luck.
Um, they try to figure out,okay, this is elevated, why is

(45:01):
this elevated?
And then they'll figure out, oh,it's because when you were 10,
your parents got divorced.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing out examples.
Like they literally try tofigure out the root cause.
There is also, you know,homeopathic medicine too.

SPEAKER_00 (45:16):
So yeah, so it's more event-oriented.

SPEAKER_02 (45:18):
Yes.
It's more, let's actually findthe root cause of why you're
having these symptoms instead ofjust treating the symptoms.
Don't get me wrong, Westernmedicine, our medicine is
fantastic.
It has come a long way, butthere are certain scenarios
where you can't just fix thesymptom.
You need to find out what theroot cause is, and that's really
where functional medicine comesin.

SPEAKER_00 (45:37):
Yeah, the problem with Western medicine is the
teeter and the teeter and thetotter, I guess, of yes, you get
this today, but what happens 20years down the road?
And we've seen that over andover again with Western
medicine, is the the long-termresults are not final.
Um you'll find out.

SPEAKER_02 (45:58):
And there's there are certain things that just
there are certain things theycan't do.
Um, I haven't talked about thisa lot because it's not it's not
really my business, but uh mydad was actually diagnosed with
vulgar ALS and there was no curefor ALS and it has been very
hard to watch him just slowlydecline and know that I can't do

(46:23):
anything.

SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
What are the symptoms for that?

SPEAKER_02 (46:25):
So much like regular ALS, instead of it affecting
like your limbs, like StephenHawking, you know, we saw
Stephen Hawking was in awheelchair, it starts in your
throat first.
Um so he has trouble swallowing,he has trouble eating, he has
trouble speaking.
Uh it's all the muscles that arein like your throat, your mouth,
your face.
So that's where it starts.

(46:46):
It'll go into his lungseventually.

SPEAKER_00 (46:49):
How many years has it been?

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
It's hard because it's really hard to diagnose.
Like, you know, some things are.
It's hard to diagnose.
I think uh lupus is another onethat's hard to diagnose.
So it took a good year to evenget a proper diagnosis for him.
And we're probably coming up onanother year here pretty soon.
So it's been about a coupleyears.
And typical ALS, it's usuallyfour to five years.

(47:13):
Sulver is a little less, so Lordonly knows.
We just keep praying and stayingpositive.

SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
I'm sorry to hear that.
That sounds really, reallytough, really difficult on your
family.
And that that's the family thatlives in the Chicagoland area.

SPEAKER_02 (47:29):
They actually moved here.
That's part of the reason theymove here.
So my mom and dad actuallyliterally live right behind us
now.
I could throw a rock and hittheir house.
So it is nice that they're herenow and that we can help.
But there's only so much we cando, and it's I'm totally a
daddy's girl.
I've always been a daddy's girl,so it's very hard to watch him.

SPEAKER_00 (47:47):
There's worse every day.
They're so blessed to have youas a daughter.
I mean, you're such a gooddaughter to have move 'em in
your own backyard.
Hell, like most people don'twant their parents in their
backyard, but you are just sucha true, authentic, honest, you
know.

SPEAKER_02 (48:00):
I mean, don't get me wrong.
Uh, we do have, yeah, I'massuming this thing everybody
loves Raymond.
Uh everybody loves Raymond.
We definitely have thatsituation where my mom just
comes over and I'm like, whydidn't you call first?
I love them to pieces, but I'mlike.

SPEAKER_00 (48:13):
Yeah.
Everybody has their everybodyhas their qualms and their
issues with their family, butyou know, what's what's bigger
than that is love.

SPEAKER_02 (48:23):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (48:24):
And time.
You can't ha you can't buy backtime.

SPEAKER_02 (48:27):
And that's probably one of the hardest things about
this, about this diagnosis.
It's liter we're literally justwatching the clock tick.
And there's absolutely nothing.
We can there's no cure for ELF.
So we're just it's like aterrible waiting game.

SPEAKER_00 (48:40):
Well.
That sounds really, reallytough.

SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
Um It is.
It is.
And that's uh I had anotherguest that talked about that
about compound grief.
And it is a thing, you know,it's not just grief when
somebody passes away, it'severything leading up to it, you
know, watching them get sick,watching them get worse, and
that's what Robin and I talkedabout on the podcast, and now
what it was like for her andwhat it's been like for her

(49:10):
kids.

SPEAKER_00 (49:14):
Well, we live in a very sick society in a sense of
we think we're healthy, butwe're taking the blood pressure
pills, we're taking the thingsto patch it up.
Um and it's like even with thecancer stuff, man, like it's you
know, you you just recently, Ithink it was what was it,

(49:35):
Tylenol was tied to thepresident mentioned that Tylenol
is tied to autism.
And a lot of the media out therewas like, oh, you know, it
that's crazy, that's insane,that's absurd.
But is it?

SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
I mean, you never know.
You never know.
I'm not I'm not one to lean one.
The thing I remember aboutTylenol, and it actually didn't,
I was I alive?
No, I don't think I was alive.
Um there was there was literallya Tylenol murderer in the
Chicagoland area that was thiswas before Tylenol had, you
know, the safety caps, and theywere putting arsenic, I think it
was arsenic, wasn't it, into theTylenol capsules and just

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killing random people.

SPEAKER_00 (50:10):
Yeah.
Yeah, and then they put thatseal on it to make sure that
there's that's it couldn't betampered with.

SPEAKER_02 (50:16):
Yeah, that's where the that's where the seal came
in, which a lot of people don'teven know that.

SPEAKER_00 (50:20):
I mean, if you go into like medicine history
overall and you look at likeeven coke, like cocaine, like
how it was just in soda, it wasin, you know, coke.
And uh things like that, and andsome of the like Native
Americans, you know, theyutilized uh what would be
considered drugs today to helpcure.

(50:41):
But I think what what what a lotof that does, a lot of the drugs
like marijuana and things likethat, to some extent, like that
stuff helps relieve your stressa little bit, you know, and so
there is some medicinal use withthat stuff, but a lot of it got
banned, and then this otherstuff came in that was
synthetically made.
So that's a whole notherconversation in itself, man.

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And I I love talking about thatkind of stuff because it's it's
interesting.
Like people people today like tobe told how things are and the
way it is, versus actuallyputting thought into it.
It's kind of like politics whereyou're like, let's talk about
the issues.
No, like I don't want to talkabout the issues.
I just want to fucking hit youover the head with something
because you don't think like me,or you're not you're not on my

(51:26):
side of the of the issues, orthen want to call you a name or
something like that, and that'sjust how s uh simple we are in
2025.

SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
Um Yeah, gone are the days where we could have
strong discussions of differentopinions and just have those
discussions and not havesomebody end up hurt or dead.
Like I don't know what happenedthat we can't What do we teach
our children?
We teach our children thatthey're supposed to interact

(51:54):
with each other and understandone another and understand that
we're not all the same, but thatdoesn't mean we can't get along.
We can't love.
And that's kind of what weforgot, right?
We're not leading with loveanymore.
We're actually leading withhate.

SPEAKER_00 (52:09):
Yeah, and it's all about emotion.
It's not about I was talking tosomeone about that recently.
I said, I said, um, facts followfeelings.
Feelings don't follow I mean, ityou know, I'm sorry, feelings
follow facts.
Like you should get the factsfirst, then let your feelings
follow that.
But now they put feelings beforefacts, and it's more about

(52:30):
sensationalism and more aboutmaking someone out to be a kook
when let's just stop and listento what they have to say,
because the reality is is likewe don't know like some of the
stuff that's exactly that's beenput out there.

SPEAKER_02 (52:44):
So right, and that's exactly why when I talk about
Heather's case, as much as I maynot like her husband or disagree
with him, it doesn't thatdoesn't matter.
And me bashing him is not gonnasolve the case.
All that matters is that I sharethe facts of the case because
that's what's gonna solve it,not my opinion of her husband.

(53:04):
Do I think he's a narcissistic,crappy person?
Yeah, I do.
But that doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 (53:11):
It's about facts.

SPEAKER_02 (53:12):
My opinion does not matter, right?

SPEAKER_00 (53:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (53:14):
It's about facts.

SPEAKER_00 (53:15):
And there's a lot of things out there today in in
today's world that people peoplelike to just draw conclusions
early on.
They like to come up with you'reactually fact-finding and
digging and doing research, butthere's a lot of things out
there that's going on in theworld, and the one thing I
explain to people is you don'thave to like it, you just have
to understand it.

(53:36):
That's two two different things.
I just want to mention likeCharlie Kirk, for example, and
how he was assassinatedrecently.
You don't have to like it.
You just have to understand it.
You have to understand that hisplatform, he was allowed to be
there, he was allowed to set upshop, he was allowed to have a
conversation, and you on theother side, you're allowed to do

(53:57):
the same thing too.
And if you're not someone whoagrees with him necessarily,
that doesn't mean that you havethe right to kill someone or
take someone out or maim orinjure them.
And I it sucks that in 2025that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 (54:12):
It does suck.
And uh, exactly what you said,regardless if you agree with him
or not, he has the right to youropinion, just like I do, just
like you do.
And uh he was a person, he was afather, he was uh a husband.

SPEAKER_00 (54:28):
I mean he wasn't someone that was uh, you know,
trying to be violent to get youto believe in what he believes
in.
It was a simple conversation, aman with a microphone.

SPEAKER_02 (54:39):
And just like on social media, if you don't like
it, just scroll on by.

SPEAKER_00 (54:43):
Yeah, you don't have to like it, you just have to
understand it.
It's a it's an opinion, andyou're allowed to put it out
there.
And as long as you go to acampus and you get the permits
to set up shop and you'reallowed to be there, then what's
the and I remember when I was incollege, um, there was a lot of
activism that would set up inthe quad and they would put up
huge pictures of like deadbabies and stuff because they

(55:05):
were anti-abortion.
As a college student, I didn'tlike it, but I understood that
that's allowed to happen.
Um I think a lot of people havejust forgotten about that.
And we've been all over theplace today with our
conversation, but it's beeninteresting to me, anyways.
And I want to ask you, out ofeverything that you've done so
far, open-ended question, what'sthe weirdest thing that you've

(55:29):
encountered so far?
Like, what's the first thingthat comes to mind when I ask
you that question?

SPEAKER_02 (55:35):
The weirdest thing that I've encountered, like just
in my just anything that's justbeen weird?

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
Anything in general, like what's it could be
paranormal, it could be uhsomething when you were looking
at this case that something cameup.
Um, like what's the mostweirdest thing that that you've
had in overall?

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
Weirdest thing that's happening.

SPEAKER_00 (55:54):
That's it, that's like if you had to tell if you
had to tell one story.

SPEAKER_02 (55:57):
Oh my goodness.
That is a big question, KP.

SPEAKER_00 (56:01):
I mean, I can tell you right now, like if I if I if
I because I'm not a believer inin paranormal.
Like I told you about beingstalked and stuff, and that was
weird.
I have a lot of weird stuff, butI'll I'll say this.
Like when it comes toparanormal, like I don't believe
in ghosts, I don't believe inspirits, all that's at least I
didn't.
I kind of do now.
Um there was a I I had a I had asituation where me, my

(56:25):
stepsisters were all like in myparents' kitchen and we were
hanging out, and it's probablyone of the rare times we're in
the same room together, justtalking at the kitchen table.
My my stepmother's mom, I guessmy step-grandmother, who I knew
pretty well, and she's a sweetlittle woman, um, had passed
away a few years prior, and itwas Christmas time, and we were

(56:48):
all hanging out in the kitchen.
And this happened to me.
Um I was sitting there and wewere talking.
Next thing I know, like out ofnowhere, this like cloud of
smelled like women's perfume.
And it was like the Avon type,and it was the type that she
wore.
Because I remember she alwayssmelled like this.

(57:09):
It like surrounded me.
And I I looked around and Isaid, I said, what the hell is
that smell?
Like, what is that smell?
Did you guys spray something onme?
And I was like looking around,nobody was sitting around me.
Next thing you know, like itmoved all around the room and it
surrounded everyone at somepoint.
And it was like a hug.
And that's so sweet.

(57:30):
Then all of a sudden, like, andeverybody looked at each other
like, what is that?
My parents weren't even in theliving room next door.
They were like way back in thebedroom somewhere.
And I thought I was beingpranked.
And the only thing I candescribe was that the situation
where we were all in the sameroom together, it was Christmas
time.
Um, because we all I live faraway from them, so I'm I'm

(57:53):
rarely home.
But yeah, I mean that that kindof makes me believe that there
is something after this.

SPEAKER_02 (57:59):
No, I agree with you.
And something that popped in mymind while you were talking
about that, so we'll just godown this road, is um I've
always I've been trying to workon no, I work on to try to
better myself every day.
And that includes trying toconnect with what I think is
like my higher self.
Some people believe it as yourspirit guides, your ancestor
guides, God, whatever you callit.

(58:22):
And I was actually working onHeather's case.
I'd asked her for a sign.
And literally the moment that Idid, my left ear started
ringing.
You know, kind of like when ifsomebody had shot a gun and
you'd got tinnitus, like itliterally was in my left ear.
And she got shot like right byher left ear.
So it was really trippy.

(58:44):
I was like, Thank you.
Thank you for the sign.

SPEAKER_00 (58:48):
Yeah, it's funny how like even my my uh mother-in-law
just passed away recently, justa couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 (58:56):
And uh sorry to hear that.

SPEAKER_00 (58:58):
Yeah, yeah.
She she was uh she was up therein age, but still very sweet
woman.
Um when she passed, I think shewas ready to go, but um some
family members have had likeexperiences where they've
they've they feel like she'sreached out to them in in some
way.

(59:18):
And sometimes you think it'skind of mumbo jumbo, like you're
just looking for something, butthen there's other times where
it's kind of like there's reallyno explanation for it.

SPEAKER_02 (59:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
When our grandpa passed away, umConnie, he's my Connie, uh
literally said the night beforethat grandpa came to her in her
dreams and was like,everything's gonna be okay.
And obviously at the point, youknow, at that point she didn't
understand, and then you know,the next day we found out that
he had passed away.

SPEAKER_00 (59:44):
So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:46):
There's definitely things I believe out there that
we just we can't explain.

SPEAKER_00 (59:50):
I'm really excited for you in this pivot.
Like I said, I do believe thateverything happens for a reason.
For those of you out there thataren't following.
Um I'll make sure that I postthe Instagram and the TikTok.
What what did you change yourname to?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:08):
Uh I actually I recently changed it to uh so
it's Rietta.
It's Rieta, it's my first name,so it's Rietta, and then it's
Books Truth Vibes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:19):
Yeah.
Yeah, I I noticed that when Iwhen I went to see your content
recently, I was like, oh shechanged it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:26):
So I did.
And then I went freaking viralon Instagram and I don't even
know what to do right now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:32):
Yeah, you're almost to 10K, man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:35):
Well, that's all because a goop I made a goopy
skeleton skit and it literallygot five and a half million
views.
It's wild.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:45):
Wow.
Wow.
So what's next for you?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:49):
Oh, more books, because I do love writing.
I know we've got to do that, butI do still love writing.
I'm at seven, so number eightshould be going to my editor
next month, but I need toprobably start writing it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:02):
You're telling me before your books are like four
hundred pages easily, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:08):
Yeah, you're much like my husband.
You probably have more of ananalytical mind.
So for you guys that have likeanalytical minds, when you say
like, I wrote a hundred thousandwords, you're like, oh my god,
that sounds like a nightmare.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:18):
And uh just for folks that don't know what type
of genre is it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:22):
Uh so I'm mainly romance, romance, rom-com.
I did write what would beconsidered romantic, so it's
fantasy.
But if you like, you know,Nordic um mythology, so that
would be like if you're a fan ofMarvel, Marvel used Nordic
mythology, that's like Odin,Thor, Loki, like that's Nordic
mythology.
Well, a very small portion ofit.

(01:01:42):
Um, and I'm hoping I'm hoping towrite a psychological thriller
this month.
Um, my mom has been begging meto write, well, I don't want to
say begging, but she's beenasking me to write one because
that's one of her favoritethings.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:56):
So yeah.
Yeah, I really wish I could getin the books more.
I was so glad that Matt Stack'sbook was like 150 pages long.
Because I'm like, wow, I didn'teven like to read books when I
was in college, man, like orhigh school, I hated it.
But um, when it's something thattouches your life or something
you're passionate about, it's aneasy read for sure.
And I'm really proud ofeverything you've done, man.

(01:02:18):
You've you've been a great partof my circle, or maybe I'm a
part of your circle.
I mean, I mean it.
Like it's it's refreshing toknow people that are out there
writing multiple books, doingpositive things, and I know the
difficulties of living amilitary life.
Um, so it's it's like I said,it's refreshing to hear like you

(01:02:38):
know, you and Kyle just makingit happen, whether it's in
Hawaii or it's on the EastCoast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:44):
Um we're trying.
I mean, we're definitely notperfect.
No couple is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:50):
If they try to tell you are, they're they're lying
their ass off.
But you know, that's the thingis if you try to make it work or
not.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Understanding that no matterwhere you're at, you're always
gonna have some complications,some issues.
The grass is never greener.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:06):
Uh two people are never gonna see eye to eye all
the time.
That's just it's not reality.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:12):
It's not reality.
There's so much more we couldtalk about.
I mean, I love havingconversations with you because I
I don't know.
For some reason, I feel like wecould sit and talk forever.
Uh maybe one of these days wecan actually meet in person.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:23):
Um that would be amazing.
Yeah, I'd love that.
Uh, give me an excuse to go backout to California.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:28):
Yeah.
Let me know.
We have beautiful weather outhere, but this place is insane.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:31):
Um Yeah.
I wasn't a huge fan.
No offense, Californians.
That just was not for me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:38):
I'm not a huge fan either.
Um, maybe maybe one of thesedays we can get out to a podcast
convention or something likethat.
I've been looking into thatmaybe next year.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:46):
So let me know.
I actually honestly didn't evenknow that was a thing.
So if you find one that's cool,send me a link and uh we'll go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:53):
There's a few out there, but I guess they'll have
to go and check it out to figureout if it's if it's uh worth it
or not.
I'm sure it is, because at theend of the day, to connect with
folks.
When I used to go to theMilitary Influencer Conference,
um, it was great to connect withreal people and actually meet
them in person and and see whothey were and and get to know
them like uh you know, so manyfolks that I've I've met when

(01:04:14):
they were out here in Vegas afew times.
But so for everyone out there,uh make sure you follow Rietta
on Instagram, TikTok.
Are you on YouTube as well orwhat other platforms?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:25):
I am actually.
Uh both, I mean, I don't use myprivate one very often, but the
podcast, the podcast is onYouTube.

unknown (01:04:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:34):
And uh are you in season right now recording?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:38):
So I'm pretty much always putting up new episodes.
I just probably much like you, Idon't record during the summer,
but I had batch recorded beforethat, so I was still releasing
during the summer.
I did go to bi-weekly.
I will be back to weekly nowthat school's back in session.
So every Friday, an episode goesup every Friday.
So tomorrow, a new episode willgo up tomorrow.
I don't know when you're earningthis though.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:57):
I miss those days when I used to uh be able to
produce every week and publishevery week, but I do it every
other week now, whether it's asolo one or it's just with a
guest.
So I really appreciate youconnecting with me four years
ago and then keeping in contactwith me over the years.
And I it's been great catchingup.
That's all there is to it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:18):
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you for uh having me, andit's always a pleasure to uh
chat with you.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:23):
For folks out there, make sure you follow Rietta on
her social media platforms.
I will uh put those down in theshow notes if you're listening
to this on a podcast or ifyou're watching this on YouTube,
just scroll down there to thebottom and click on the links
and add Rietta, follow her.
Let's find out, you know, ifthere's any resolution or any
final verdict with Heather'scase, um, as well as where

(01:05:47):
Rietta will be pivoting to herein the next few months.
I mean, this woman sitting infront of me is literally
authored eight different books.
She's a military spouse.
Um, she's run running thisTikTok that's helping with true
crime, and then she also runs apodcast as well that talks to
amazing people with that uhovercomes trials and
tribulations of life.

(01:06:08):
So amazing person, Rietta.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:10):
Thank you, KP.
You're sweet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:13):
For everyone else out there, as always, thank you
for tuning in.
And I want you to always staytuned, stay focused, and stay
motivated.
Warriors, fall out.