December 27, 2024 • 17 mins
The episode explores the evolution of childbirth education and the paradox of having more access to information yet often feeling less intuitive as parents. It encourages listeners to reconnect with their inner wisdom, emphasizes the importance of human connection, and reminds them to trust themselves in their parenting journey.
• Discussion on the decline in childbirth education attendance and class structure
• Examination of the impact of social media on parental knowledge and intuition
• Importance of deep learning versus shallow information consumption
• The role of technology and apps in altering parenting instincts
• Encouragement to trust one’s own intuition and build connections with others
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Show Credits
Host: Angie Rosier
Music: Michael Hicks
Photographer: Toni Walker
Episode Artwork: Nick Greenwood
Producer: Gillian Rosier Frampton
Voiceover: Ryan Parker
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Ordinary Doula Podcast with
Angie Rozier, hosted by BirthLearning, where we help prepare
folks for labor and birth withexpertise coming from 20 years
of experience in a busy doulapractice Helping thousands of
people prepare for labor,providing essential knowledge
(00:40):
and tools for positive andempowering birth experiences.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Hello and welcome to the Ordinary Doula Podcast.
My name is Angie Rozier and Iam so glad to be with you here
today.
Not sure what time it is whenyou're listening to this, what
time of the season or the yearit is, but when I'm recording it
we're right in betweenChristmas and New Year's, kind
of a wonky week.
I love this week.
(01:09):
Kids aren't in school, somepeople get a little time off
work, there's some good jammydays, there's some good activity
days.
Hope that, wherever you findyourself during this time of
year or when you're listening tothis, but you're enjoying your
time.
Some people are very busy thistime of year.
I've got a good amount of workstacked up to do as well and
doing appointments and workingat the hospital and things had a
(01:31):
couple of great births inDecember, several of them, a
couple of them.
It was kind of interesting.
They came right together.
I think I've never had thishappen before.
Well, maybe I have, but I hadtwo births on the same day in
the same hospital, right nextdoor to each other, which was
pretty remarkable.
I helped with one.
(01:53):
It was a set of twins, stayedwith them for several hours, got
the babies.
You know, the babies were born,got them latched, doing really
well, and I knew my client otherclient was right next door but
in contact with her all day.
She was doing well, didn't needanything yet, and as soon as I
was wrapping up with the twins,that other client said okay, I
think I'm ready for you.
(02:14):
So I dashed out to my car, gota quick snack washed up between,
went right back in and didanother great delivery.
So that was kind of fun.
Maybe there was babies born on,did another great delivery.
So that was kind of fun.
Maybe there was babies born onChristmas or Christmas Eve.
That's always kind of excitingtoo.
All right, so today I want totalk about something that is
(02:40):
interesting, kind of aninteresting phenomenon I've seen
over the years and somethingthat's kind of important to me.
It's kind of near and dear tomy heart.
As I've worked with people overa couple of decades now.
I've seen some shifts in peopleand in just the way people are,
how people get theirinformation, how people tune in
and tap into information.
(03:01):
So childbirth education I thinkI've mentioned this before on
here.
Childbirth education hasdecreased in the United States
quite dramatically over the last10-20 years where the rates are
going down and the availabilityof childbirth classes are
different than they used to be.
We had a few decades of Lamazeclasses, hospital-based classes,
(03:26):
and those grew.
We gained hypnobirthing,hypnobabies.
There's been Bradley for a longtime too, and a lot of these
classes were series.
Right, they were like longseries, anywhere from four to
seven to 12 weeks long, whereyou would meet for two or three
hours a week at yourinstructor's home or place of
(03:48):
you know wherever the class wasmeeting.
Sometimes it was a business,sometimes it was a hospital, but
they were a time commitmentover a period of weeks, and that
has changed a lot.
People don't commit that muchtime to their education.
They don't wanna be gone thatmuch.
It's difficult to get out andyou know, depending on whatever
(04:10):
your barriers are, to get out ata consistent level.
When I see classes now inhospital or privately, they're
much shorter in duration.
They might be a four-week class, two hours at a time, two and a
half, but we don't have thoselong seven, 10, 12-week courses
anymore.
(04:30):
So but that could be okay,because people are coming to
class with a lot moreinformation than they used to.
They watch videos, they seeInstagram reels and posts and
TikTok videos.
So they get and all of theseare, of course, short snippets
of information.
There's a lot of informationout there.
There's a lot of influencerswho are doing content
(04:53):
surrounding specific topics.
So you might look veryspecifically at a few things.
You might have a couple offavorite sources that people get
a lot of their information from.
So they come to a class a lotfarther along than their cohorts
did 10, 20, 30 years ago.
They do know what a cervix is.
They know what a placenta isand what it does.
They, you know, know what theuterus is Like.
(05:15):
Some of the sometimes thesewere the first times people were
hearing these words or hadheard them in a long time.
But these are.
You know, we're getting a lotmore information more quickly.
However, the deep dive isn't asdeep.
We get little.
We just skim the surface a lotof times.
So we're not getting intospending that deeper time
learning from an expert which isyour childbirth education
(05:39):
teacher or your influencer, likewhen you're getting online
information from social media.
You're not.
There is some reaction time,right, there's, you can make
comments, things like that, butyou're not getting that eye to
eye contact that.
Ask a question, get it answered.
Let's have a discussion, let'shear from others in the group in
(06:00):
real time about theirexperiences or their feelings on
things.
So the education is justdifferent.
People have more informationbut maybe less deep information.
I've recently sat in on andparticipated in some hospital
classes as well and they're likefour week series right now and
I love, even in four weeks, thecamaraderie that develops within
(06:23):
that class as people leavethere, or first night.
They're exchanging numbers,they're connecting that way, and
I used to participate a lotwith a longtime childbirth
educator who was very, veryamazing in our part of the world
and had actually taught acouple generations of people and
she had big full classes theymet for for, I think, for six
(06:44):
weeks, for three hours at a time, I believe it was, and so many
of those little groups theremight be 12 couples there left
being friends.
They would oftentimes carry onto some extent a long-term
friendship as they were all kindof doing the same thing at the
same time had, you know, a basisof familiarity and we carry
that on to oh, how's your babydoing?
(07:05):
Tell us about your birth?
Um, let's meet, you know, forwalks on the weekend and, and so
these.
They develop friendships thatway and good connection.
So connection, connection issometimes missing, that that
more inhuman connection, um, inperson and human contact
connection.
But not to say that there's nota lot of great information out
(07:26):
there.
People are becoming smarter,for sure, which is awesome, but
what kind of the meat of what Iwant to get to?
I'm going to call it intuition.
I have seen this change in timeand there has been little
discussions about it, for sure,throughout the country, as
childbirth classes havediminished and as we help people
I, you know, help a lot ofpeople before birth, during
(07:47):
birth, after birth, the newstages of parenting,
breastfeeding, sleep situations,nighttime parenting, all the
whole package right.
There has been a shift in andit's nobody's fault, it's just
where we are.
It's what we're dealing with ashift in intuition.
So while people have a lot moreinformation, there's a lot
(08:09):
lower level of self trust.
So the intuition that peoplehave generally led out with for
generations, for decades, forcenturies, for millennia, that
intuition is a little bit fuzzyright now and there's a few
theories why?
Some of those theories are thatpeople having babies today,
(08:32):
those people, whether they're 20, 30, 40, however old they are,
they have had a long time intheir life, some of them their
entire life, where they've had ahandheld device that they could
ask anything to.
So they could just, you know, Iwonder how?
You know what?
What does the cervix do?
Tap it into your phone.
You've got, you know, amultitude of responses to that
(08:58):
and you know, like here's,here's, here's what we found
about that on the internet, onsocial media.
So you're going to get a lot ofinformation quickly.
So they learn a lot, but theydon't feel a lot.
Perhaps they don't spend thattime inside, they don't spend
any time wondering and they wantto know.
They want to know now.
They want to know fast.
(09:19):
We can get fast facts Hopefullythey're facts, right.
We can get fast information.
There's fast facts.
Hopefully they're facts, right.
We can get fast information.
There's fast fashion.
There's fast facts.
We don't have to wonder aboutanything.
We don't have to spend any kindof amount of time, which now we
find uncomfortable, likewondering is no longer
acceptable.
But wondering leads topondering, which leads to
(09:40):
self-reflection, which leads tointernal resolutions and
solutions, which affectsexternal actions, right.
So because we don't spend, we'renot comfortable spending any
time wondering and just thinkingabout anything, like who was
the 20th president of the UnitedStates, like I have no idea.
I'd have to sit and think aboutthat.
I think I know who the 13th was.
(10:01):
I can go and go a little beyondthat.
I I know who like about whenTeddy Roosevelt was president.
Maybe I could do some deducingthere.
So just a random history factright, where we could kind of
use our own brain and pattern ofthought and taking what we do
know to find out what we want toknow.
That's a silly little example.
But take that into parenting.
Take that into how you wantyour labor to be, who you want
(10:23):
your support to be.
How long is your labor going tobe?
When is your labor going tostart?
What is parenting going to belike?
Will breastfeeding be easy?
Are you going to like it?
None of those answers are goingto be on our handheld devices.
Those are things we do have tospend time pondering.
We can take those fast factsright, we can take all that fast
(10:44):
information and weed through it, but we still need to spend the
time pondering.
So I see a lack of not ineveryone for sure.
There's still a very deep vein,a very deep thread that's
phenomenal to me in women of Idon't know like ancestral
(11:04):
tapping, tapping like people canget deep into the roots of just
being a human being, a womanand so many of my clients say
people have been doing this forthousands of years.
Women have been doing this forthousands of years.
We know how to do it, which isso true.
My family, my, my grandmothers,my great grandmas, my aunties,
whoever that is they can tapinto their own immediate
(11:27):
surroundings of femininestrength and history and
worldwide, right Justhistorically, on an
anthropological level, as ahuman being.
So that's deep and strong.
However, the trust factors.
A lot of people, I see, don'ttrust themselves.
They don't trust that they knowhow to do this.
See, don't trust themselves.
They don't trust that they knowhow to do this.
They don't trust, they don'ttap into their intuition because
(11:50):
they've never had to spend verymuch time wondering about
things.
A lot of times, when I'm helpingsomeone in the postpartum
period, I'll ask about theirbaby how's your baby doing?
How's your baby sleeping?
How's your baby pooping?
How's your baby eating whatever?
How's your baby pooping?
How's your baby eating,whatever that is?
How are you feeling about you?
Know this parenting thing.
How are you feeling in general?
How are you recovering?
And so many people, in responseto that, will look at their
(12:14):
phone.
They'll pull up an app on theirphone and there are some
incredible tools out there,incredible apps that will help
you track contractions.
They help you track yourpregnancy right See what your
baby's doing, how your baby'sgrowing this week, this month
and afterwards.
When does your baby eat?
When does your baby sleep?
Where's their baby's rhythmic,like they can find the rhythms
(12:37):
of their breathing and theirheart.
There's all kinds of monitorsand apps and tools that can
monitor every single thing aboutthat baby.
I've seen people pull up youknow you can get a lot of data
They'll pull up a littlespreadsheet and show me the
sleep cycles of their baby.
We get averages and sleepduration and when's their
longest sleep cycle and when didthey eat.
(12:57):
How many ounces a day are theygetting?
When are they getting it?
How many poops a day?
All important, but we it'sinteresting when you ask
somebody about their baby, theylook at their phone.
So my, my, I guess myencouragement to you, my, is to
to help any parent, mother,father, any kind of parent, to
(13:26):
realize, even without those apps, even without those tools, you
can tap in to what youintuitively know and you can
trust it.
You know these things.
This is your baby, it's yourbody.
You have a lot to do with it.
You have this awesome like,this huge connection.
It's like a lifeline to thisbaby that nobody else will have.
As I help people at nighttime ordaytime for postpartum work, it
(13:49):
just blows me away.
Even first-time parents, evenwith a three or four-day-old
baby, if I go to help them, soI'm helping them at night,
they're going to tell me what toexpect and they are exactly
right.
They have gotten to know theirbaby, their baby's rhythms,
their baby's needs quite quickly.
Now, that doesn't happen foreveryone, but it does happen
eventually for everyone.
Um, for those who like investbut I love how, how parents it's
(14:12):
there.
I can still see it, even ifparents don't feel it.
It absolutely is still there.
And there's one thing that everysingle little baby, um, I
studied some child development acouple years ago and we got to
study some of the greats in thatindustry and one of them I
watched a lecture from the 1970sI think it was 1976.
(14:36):
And he said what every singlechild needs.
Okay, we can talk about babies.
What every baby needs issomeone, at least one person,
who is irrationally crazy aboutthem so that only can come from
someone with that biological orintuitive or and it doesn't have
(14:57):
to be biological but thatlifeline to that baby.
That's generally a parent right.
Usually it's the mom.
It can easily be the dad.
Those close caregivers,regardless of how good they are,
how professional they are, howtrained, how well experienced
they are, are not as wildlyirrationally crazy about that
(15:17):
baby as a parent is.
So my, my, my plea to you is totrust your intuition.
It is there.
Maybe it's a little fuzzy,maybe we aren't practiced at
tapping in to our internalthoughts.
How do I feel about this?
What do I think about this?
What do I want about this?
And you know what you might notknow yet.
(15:38):
Spend some time wondering.
Spend some days as you're witha newborn.
Spend some days thinking aboutthat, trying on different things
, making little experiments asyou go.
Parenting is a huge, you know.
Experiment is what it is.
You try things, see if theywork, make adjustments as needed
.
This is a great, giganticscientific experiment raising
(15:58):
children and it starts, ofcourse, with pregnancy, birth,
babies and breastfeeding Greattraining ground for the
experiment of parenthood.
But trust yourself, know thatyou do have what it takes.
Look internal, stay internalfor some period of time till you
get some answers from you.
Those are going to be your verybest answers, I promise.
(16:21):
I promise you are the expert onyou and on your baby.
With that said, I want to endwith what I always end with go
out and make a human connection,and maybe today that human
connection is you.
Human connection is soimportant.
When we spend time with others,when we spend time in their
physical proximity, theiremotional proximity, that's when
(16:41):
some incredible magic happens.
So do that with yourself.
Spend time in their physicalproximity, their emotional
proximity, that's when someincredible magic happens.
So do that with yourself.
Spend time inside of yourself.
Make that human connection toyou.
See what you find, see what youfeel, because I promise there's
a wealth of knowledge,information and trust and
intuition that's right therewith you.
You're carrying around with youall the time.
You've got it Best to you inparenting.
Trust yourself.
You've got it Best to you inparenting.
(17:07):
Trust yourself.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You've got this Talk to you next time.
Thank you for listening to theOrdinary Doula podcast with
Angie Rozier, hosted by BirthLearning.
Episode credits will be in theshow notes.
No-transcript.
Welcome to the Ordinary Doula Podcast with
Angie Rozier, hosted by BirthLearning, where we help prepare
folks for labor and birth withexpertise coming from 20 years
of experience in a busy doulapractice Helping thousands of
people prepare for labor,providing essential knowledge
(00:40):
and tools for positive andempowering birth experiences.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Hello and welcome to the Ordinary Doula Podcast.
My name is Angie Rozier and Iam so glad to be with you here
today.
Not sure what time it is whenyou're listening to this, what
time of the season or the yearit is, but when I'm recording it
we're right in betweenChristmas and New Year's, kind
of a wonky week.
I love this week.
(01:09):
Kids aren't in school, somepeople get a little time off
work, there's some good jammydays, there's some good activity
days.
Hope that, wherever you findyourself during this time of
year or when you're listening tothis, but you're enjoying your
time.
Some people are very busy thistime of year.
I've got a good amount of workstacked up to do as well and
doing appointments and workingat the hospital and things had a
(01:31):
couple of great births inDecember, several of them, a
couple of them.
It was kind of interesting.
They came right together.
I think I've never had thishappen before.
Well, maybe I have, but I hadtwo births on the same day in
the same hospital, right nextdoor to each other, which was
pretty remarkable.
I helped with one.
(01:53):
It was a set of twins, stayedwith them for several hours, got
the babies.
You know, the babies were born,got them latched, doing really
well, and I knew my client otherclient was right next door but
in contact with her all day.
She was doing well, didn't needanything yet, and as soon as I
was wrapping up with the twins,that other client said okay, I
think I'm ready for you.
(02:14):
So I dashed out to my car, gota quick snack washed up between,
went right back in and didanother great delivery.
So that was kind of fun.
Maybe there was babies born on,did another great delivery.
So that was kind of fun.
Maybe there was babies born onChristmas or Christmas Eve.
That's always kind of excitingtoo.
All right, so today I want totalk about something that is
(02:40):
interesting, kind of aninteresting phenomenon I've seen
over the years and somethingthat's kind of important to me.
It's kind of near and dear tomy heart.
As I've worked with people overa couple of decades now.
I've seen some shifts in peopleand in just the way people are,
how people get theirinformation, how people tune in
and tap into information.
(03:01):
So childbirth education I thinkI've mentioned this before on
here.
Childbirth education hasdecreased in the United States
quite dramatically over the last10-20 years where the rates are
going down and the availabilityof childbirth classes are
different than they used to be.
We had a few decades of Lamazeclasses, hospital-based classes,
(03:26):
and those grew.
We gained hypnobirthing,hypnobabies.
There's been Bradley for a longtime too, and a lot of these
classes were series.
Right, they were like longseries, anywhere from four to
seven to 12 weeks long, whereyou would meet for two or three
hours a week at yourinstructor's home or place of
(03:48):
you know wherever the class wasmeeting.
Sometimes it was a business,sometimes it was a hospital, but
they were a time commitmentover a period of weeks, and that
has changed a lot.
People don't commit that muchtime to their education.
They don't wanna be gone thatmuch.
It's difficult to get out andyou know, depending on whatever
(04:10):
your barriers are, to get out ata consistent level.
When I see classes now inhospital or privately, they're
much shorter in duration.
They might be a four-week class, two hours at a time, two and a
half, but we don't have thoselong seven, 10, 12-week courses
anymore.
(04:30):
So but that could be okay,because people are coming to
class with a lot moreinformation than they used to.
They watch videos, they seeInstagram reels and posts and
TikTok videos.
So they get and all of theseare, of course, short snippets
of information.
There's a lot of informationout there.
There's a lot of influencerswho are doing content
(04:53):
surrounding specific topics.
So you might look veryspecifically at a few things.
You might have a couple offavorite sources that people get
a lot of their information from.
So they come to a class a lotfarther along than their cohorts
did 10, 20, 30 years ago.
They do know what a cervix is.
They know what a placenta isand what it does.
They, you know, know what theuterus is Like.
(05:15):
Some of the sometimes thesewere the first times people were
hearing these words or hadheard them in a long time.
But these are.
You know, we're getting a lotmore information more quickly.
However, the deep dive isn't asdeep.
We get little.
We just skim the surface a lotof times.
So we're not getting intospending that deeper time
learning from an expert which isyour childbirth education
(05:39):
teacher or your influencer, likewhen you're getting online
information from social media.
You're not.
There is some reaction time,right, there's, you can make
comments, things like that, butyou're not getting that eye to
eye contact that.
Ask a question, get it answered.
Let's have a discussion, let'shear from others in the group in
(06:00):
real time about theirexperiences or their feelings on
things.
So the education is justdifferent.
People have more informationbut maybe less deep information.
I've recently sat in on andparticipated in some hospital
classes as well and they're likefour week series right now and
I love, even in four weeks, thecamaraderie that develops within
(06:23):
that class as people leavethere, or first night.
They're exchanging numbers,they're connecting that way, and
I used to participate a lotwith a longtime childbirth
educator who was very, veryamazing in our part of the world
and had actually taught acouple generations of people and
she had big full classes theymet for for, I think, for six
(06:44):
weeks, for three hours at a time, I believe it was, and so many
of those little groups theremight be 12 couples there left
being friends.
They would oftentimes carry onto some extent a long-term
friendship as they were all kindof doing the same thing at the
same time had, you know, a basisof familiarity and we carry
that on to oh, how's your babydoing?
(07:05):
Tell us about your birth?
Um, let's meet, you know, forwalks on the weekend and, and so
these.
They develop friendships thatway and good connection.
So connection, connection issometimes missing, that that
more inhuman connection, um, inperson and human contact
connection.
But not to say that there's nota lot of great information out
(07:26):
there.
People are becoming smarter,for sure, which is awesome, but
what kind of the meat of what Iwant to get to?
I'm going to call it intuition.
I have seen this change in timeand there has been little
discussions about it, for sure,throughout the country, as
childbirth classes havediminished and as we help people
I, you know, help a lot ofpeople before birth, during
(07:47):
birth, after birth, the newstages of parenting,
breastfeeding, sleep situations,nighttime parenting, all the
whole package right.
There has been a shift in andit's nobody's fault, it's just
where we are.
It's what we're dealing with ashift in intuition.
So while people have a lot moreinformation, there's a lot
(08:09):
lower level of self trust.
So the intuition that peoplehave generally led out with for
generations, for decades, forcenturies, for millennia, that
intuition is a little bit fuzzyright now and there's a few
theories why?
Some of those theories are thatpeople having babies today,
(08:32):
those people, whether they're 20, 30, 40, however old they are,
they have had a long time intheir life, some of them their
entire life, where they've had ahandheld device that they could
ask anything to.
So they could just, you know, Iwonder how?
You know what?
What does the cervix do?
Tap it into your phone.
You've got, you know, amultitude of responses to that
(08:58):
and you know, like here's,here's, here's what we found
about that on the internet, onsocial media.
So you're going to get a lot ofinformation quickly.
So they learn a lot, but theydon't feel a lot.
Perhaps they don't spend thattime inside, they don't spend
any time wondering and they wantto know.
They want to know now.
They want to know fast.
(09:19):
We can get fast facts Hopefullythey're facts, right.
We can get fast information.
There's fast facts.
Hopefully they're facts, right.
We can get fast information.
There's fast fashion.
There's fast facts.
We don't have to wonder aboutanything.
We don't have to spend any kindof amount of time, which now we
find uncomfortable, likewondering is no longer
acceptable.
But wondering leads topondering, which leads to
(09:40):
self-reflection, which leads tointernal resolutions and
solutions, which affectsexternal actions, right.
So because we don't spend, we'renot comfortable spending any
time wondering and just thinkingabout anything, like who was
the 20th president of the UnitedStates, like I have no idea.
I'd have to sit and think aboutthat.
I think I know who the 13th was.
(10:01):
I can go and go a little beyondthat.
I I know who like about whenTeddy Roosevelt was president.
Maybe I could do some deducingthere.
So just a random history factright, where we could kind of
use our own brain and pattern ofthought and taking what we do
know to find out what we want toknow.
That's a silly little example.
But take that into parenting.
Take that into how you wantyour labor to be, who you want
(10:23):
your support to be.
How long is your labor going tobe?
When is your labor going tostart?
What is parenting going to belike?
Will breastfeeding be easy?
Are you going to like it?
None of those answers are goingto be on our handheld devices.
Those are things we do have tospend time pondering.
We can take those fast factsright, we can take all that fast
(10:44):
information and weed through it, but we still need to spend the
time pondering.
So I see a lack of not ineveryone for sure.
There's still a very deep vein,a very deep thread that's
phenomenal to me in women of Idon't know like ancestral
(11:04):
tapping, tapping like people canget deep into the roots of just
being a human being, a womanand so many of my clients say
people have been doing this forthousands of years.
Women have been doing this forthousands of years.
We know how to do it, which isso true.
My family, my, my grandmothers,my great grandmas, my aunties,
whoever that is they can tapinto their own immediate
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surroundings of femininestrength and history and
worldwide, right Justhistorically, on an
anthropological level, as ahuman being.
So that's deep and strong.
However, the trust factors.
A lot of people, I see, don'ttrust themselves.
They don't trust that they knowhow to do this.
See, don't trust themselves.
They don't trust that they knowhow to do this.
They don't trust, they don'ttap into their intuition because
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they've never had to spend verymuch time wondering about
things.
A lot of times, when I'm helpingsomeone in the postpartum
period, I'll ask about theirbaby how's your baby doing?
How's your baby sleeping?
How's your baby pooping?
How's your baby eating whatever?
How's your baby pooping?
How's your baby eating,whatever that is?
How are you feeling about you?
Know this parenting thing.
How are you feeling in general?
How are you recovering?
And so many people, in responseto that, will look at their
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phone.
They'll pull up an app on theirphone and there are some
incredible tools out there,incredible apps that will help
you track contractions.
They help you track yourpregnancy right See what your
baby's doing, how your baby'sgrowing this week, this month
and afterwards.
When does your baby eat?
When does your baby sleep?
Where's their baby's rhythmic,like they can find the rhythms
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of their breathing and theirheart.
There's all kinds of monitorsand apps and tools that can
monitor every single thing aboutthat baby.
I've seen people pull up youknow you can get a lot of data
They'll pull up a littlespreadsheet and show me the
sleep cycles of their baby.
We get averages and sleepduration and when's their
longest sleep cycle and when didthey eat.
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How many ounces a day are theygetting?
When are they getting it?
How many poops a day?
All important, but we it'sinteresting when you ask
somebody about their baby, theylook at their phone.
So my, my, I guess myencouragement to you, my, is to
to help any parent, mother,father, any kind of parent, to
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realize, even without those apps, even without those tools, you
can tap in to what youintuitively know and you can
trust it.
You know these things.
This is your baby, it's yourbody.
You have a lot to do with it.
You have this awesome like,this huge connection.
It's like a lifeline to thisbaby that nobody else will have.
As I help people at nighttime ordaytime for postpartum work, it
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just blows me away.
Even first-time parents, evenwith a three or four-day-old
baby, if I go to help them, soI'm helping them at night,
they're going to tell me what toexpect and they are exactly
right.
They have gotten to know theirbaby, their baby's rhythms,
their baby's needs quite quickly.
Now, that doesn't happen foreveryone, but it does happen
eventually for everyone.
Um, for those who like investbut I love how, how parents it's
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there.
I can still see it, even ifparents don't feel it.
It absolutely is still there.
And there's one thing that everysingle little baby, um, I
studied some child development acouple years ago and we got to
study some of the greats in thatindustry and one of them I
watched a lecture from the 1970sI think it was 1976.
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And he said what every singlechild needs.
Okay, we can talk about babies.
What every baby needs issomeone, at least one person,
who is irrationally crazy aboutthem so that only can come from
someone with that biological orintuitive or and it doesn't have
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to be biological but thatlifeline to that baby.
That's generally a parent right.
Usually it's the mom.
It can easily be the dad.
Those close caregivers,regardless of how good they are,
how professional they are, howtrained, how well experienced
they are, are not as wildlyirrationally crazy about that
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baby as a parent is.
So my, my, my plea to you is totrust your intuition.
It is there.
Maybe it's a little fuzzy,maybe we aren't practiced at
tapping in to our internalthoughts.
How do I feel about this?
What do I think about this?
What do I want about this?
And you know what you might notknow yet.
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Spend some time wondering.
Spend some days as you're witha newborn.
Spend some days thinking aboutthat, trying on different things
, making little experiments asyou go.
Parenting is a huge, you know.
Experiment is what it is.
You try things, see if theywork, make adjustments as needed
.
This is a great, giganticscientific experiment raising
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children and it starts, ofcourse, with pregnancy, birth,
babies and breastfeeding Greattraining ground for the
experiment of parenthood.
But trust yourself, know thatyou do have what it takes.
Look internal, stay internalfor some period of time till you
get some answers from you.
Those are going to be your verybest answers, I promise.
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I promise you are the expert onyou and on your baby.
With that said, I want to endwith what I always end with go
out and make a human connection,and maybe today that human
connection is you.
Human connection is soimportant.
When we spend time with others,when we spend time in their
physical proximity, theiremotional proximity, that's when
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some incredible magic happens.
So do that with yourself.
Spend time in their physicalproximity, their emotional
proximity, that's when someincredible magic happens.
So do that with yourself.
Spend time inside of yourself.
Make that human connection toyou.
See what you find, see what youfeel, because I promise there's
a wealth of knowledge,information and trust and
intuition that's right therewith you.
You're carrying around with youall the time.
You've got it Best to you inparenting.
Trust yourself.
You've got it Best to you inparenting.
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Trust yourself.
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