March 15, 2023 • 82 mins
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On today’s episode I chat with Julianne of Sweet Babe Clothing and Revelry Handcrafted about both her birth stories, her experience with motherhood so far, and what it’s like running two small businesses while being a stay at home mom.
Julianne is a Pacific Northwest native who headed for warmer weather after high school and earned a product development degree at the Fashion Institute in Los Angeles. After graduation, she returned home to Washington State where she met her husband. Julianne is now a stay at home mama to two girls and entrepreneur of two small businesses. She designs and create baby and kids clothing as well as party and holiday decor. She loves baking and can find an excuse to bring a homemade cake almost anywhere. Julianne and I go way back because well, we’re cousins!!
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Natalie (00:00):
On today's episode, I chat with Julianne of Sweet Babe
Clothing and Revel handcraftedabout both her birth stories,
her experience with motherhoodso far, and what it's like
running two small businesseswhile being a stay-at-home mom.
I'm Natalie and you're listeningto the Resource Doula Podcast, a
place where we provideinformation to help you make
informed healthcare decisionsfor yourself and your family.
(00:23):
Julianne is a Pacific Northwestnative who headed for warmer
weather after high school andearned a product development
degree at the Fashion Institutein Los Angeles.
After graduation, she returnedhome to Washington State where
she met her husband.
Julian is now a stay-at-homemama to two girls and
entrepreneur of two smallbusinesses.
She designs.
Baby and kids clothing as wellas party and holiday decor.
(00:46):
She loves baking and can find anexcuse to bring a homemade cake
almost anywhere.
Julianne and I go way backbecause, well, we're cousins.
I'm sure you're going to lovethis episode.
So let's get started.
(01:10):
Hey Julianne, welcome to theshow.
Absolutely.
I'm really excited for our chattoday.
Um, I was hoping that you couldjust start out by talking a
little bit about yourself,introducing yourself to the
audience.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
You are, you are.
Oh, that's awesome.
I, yeah, you've never told methat.
Thank you for sharing now.
Okay, so you talked aboutbecoming a mom and kind of
wrestling with that identity alittle bit and figuring that all
out.
Can you start with your firstbirth experience, kind of what
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led up to that, who you are, whoyou were as a person, how that
experience kind of shaped thebeginning of motherhood for you?
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it worked for you.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's a lot of decisions to makein that state of like, oh my
gosh, okay.
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It's finally here.
We finally achieved the thingthat we've been trying for for a
long time.
So yeah, lots and lots ofdecisions and everybody has
their own opinions too, on whatyou should be doing or should
not be doing.
Right.
Did you have a lot of that withyour first pregnancy?
Do you feel like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
And that's a lot of l mentalload in and of itself, but then
processing it after.
Do you, I know I'm jumping aheadto your second daughter, but do
you, what differences do younotice with the, like the
lockdown baby, becoming a parentversus a normal, normal quote
unquote, normal, you know,social world with a second baby
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Yeah.
Hmm hmm.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot of, a lot of newexperiences for sure, man.
do you wanna go more into detailabout each of their birth
stories and kind of how thattranspired?
Okay.
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Hmm.
Aw.
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Yeah.
Hmm.
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Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Wow.
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Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
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Oh man.
Talk about pressure I need myown.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Oh yeah.
Oh, right, right.
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She probably would.
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Yeah.
shouting across the room.
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Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
I don't think you told me thatdetail before.
So, wow.
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Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I feel like you've had,you had like a lot of challenges
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leading up to that point, notjust two in general, but Yeah.
Holy cow.
Every time you tell me thisstory, like we've talked about
it, the seven hours of pushingis what stands out to me most.
Um, like it, on one hand I'mlike, it's great that the
doctors and the nurses werelike, you can do this.
Like, let's let her do, as, youknow, give her the effort and
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give her the time to attempt.
Um, but also seven hours ofpushing is so much work and so
exhausting.
And like you said, you wentthrough pretty much everything.
That in until you push a babyout for vaginal birth.
Right.
And, and I just think about yourpelvic floor, like seven hours
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of pushing against your pelvicfloor and the nerve damage that
could occur, and just the effortin general.
Like it's, it's wild to me thatthey did that and they
encouraged that.
I don't like to say they let youdo it because you get whatever
the heck you want and likeyou're in charge of your birth.
Right.
But yeah, just like a little bitmind blowing, that's not as
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common in both most birthstories that I've heard.
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Right.
Hmm.
Well that's, that's, it's quitethe story from the beginning to
the end, like from the beginningof the dog and processing all of
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those emotions of her passingaway.
Right.
And then going this whole newexperience of giving birth to a
baby and then, and then alsohaving the nicu.
Um, and you were breastfeeding.
Right.
Okay.
How was that experience in theNICU with establishing
breastfeeding?
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Aw.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Awesome.
Did you do any, um, therapy withthe tongue tie, like the
stretches and the exercises forher mouth after, or, okay.
Okay.
I'm glad that was successful andgood and yeah.
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Yeah.
I'm just curious now that youknow, there's a lot of talk
about tongue ties in general,but, um, okay.
So tell me about kind of how youprocessed that whole birth story
and what went on in your mind,like in the following months,
like the first few monthspostpartum.
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Good.
Good.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
And in those immediatepostpartum UR hormones and your
sleep deprivation, like all ofthat leads to a lot of overwhelm
with processing the birth story,right?
Especially if it didn't go howyou wanted it to or imagined it
to go.
So, okay, now fast forward togetting pregnant a second time,
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and talk a little bit about thatand then kind of, you can go
right into the birth story ifyou want to.
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Okay.
That's alright.
Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It's funny how things happenedlike that, right?
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Surprise.
Okay.
yeah.
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Hmm.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Wow.
Nice.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
Okay.
That's really funny.
I'm just like reflecting on myown life and my own mom who is
sisters with your mom, I wasborn.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And I was born January 25th andmy mom has always taken the tree
down on December 26th, so Iwonder if it was a similar
reason.
I never like connected that inmy brain.
That's funny.
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Yeah.
probably.
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Mm-hmm.
okay.
Mm-hmm.
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right?
Yeah, exactly.
Babies know, they know when it'sa calm and, and peaceful
environment.
Um, okay.
I wanna hear kind of more aboutyour decision to do a V back.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
makes me happy.
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Did you do any research or likechildbirth classes around vbac
or did you just like decide, I'mgonna do this and just did it?
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Hmm.
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What in the world?
Wow.
And then it's also, it'sinteresting to me just because
like to play the devil'sadvocate, they don't give you
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that when you're about to have acesarean.
Like here are the risks for thecesarean.
They say, you know, this is,this is what we're doing right.
Here are the benefits.
You get a baby.
Right?
Um, but yeah, just so that wow.
Interesting approach that Iprobably wouldn't condone
myself.
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Well, that's Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
That's awesome.
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I, I mean, I think I think it'sgreat if we start the
conversation really early andlet people know that they have a
choice.
Cuz there was a whole thing fora long time, like once a
cesarean, always a cesarean,like that's a, a thing people
say and so, yeah.
Hmm.
You're like, slow down I need tothink about that.
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Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah, you totally could havedone it with a 10 pound baby
promise you you totally couldSo, talk a little bit about your
second birth and how thattranspired, like and your
feelings around him.
I'm curious.
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Mm-hmm.
not messing with that.
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Right.
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Hmm.
right, right.
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Yeah.
I can walk in.
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Oh, that's amazing.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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That's such a redemptive storyfrom the last, yeah, man.
Hmm.
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Right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something to think about andprocess.
And I think that's really likemindful and.
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like self-aware of you to evenrecognize that because I, I
don't hear that from a lot ofpeople who have had opposing
birth stories or like polaropposite birth stories.
So just being aware of it isprobably the best thing that you
can do.
okay, so now that you have twobabies, um, what, after that
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second birth experience, what wwhat were those first few months
postpartum like?
And you can compare it, compareit to the last or Yeah.
I'm just curious on that.
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I love it.
He was cooking.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
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Hm.
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Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Hmm mm-hmm.
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Hmm.
That's a really, no, I lovethat.
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Yeah.
You were empowered.
You're empowered.
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Mm-hmm.
Hmm hmm.
Okay.
So when, like, when you wereexpecting your second, did you
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do any preparation with yourfirst, like, did you do any, um,
books or education or trying toencourage her to think about
having a, a new sibling?
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Oh yeah.
Great.
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I love that.
She's, she's an, an amazinglittle kid, Um, I always enjoy
it when we're on FaceTime andshe has something to tell me,
Oh, she did?
Aww.
Oh, potatoes.
I love potatoes.
Amazing.
Um, okay, so, um, I kind ofwanna know if you were to, this
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is like a, a re self-reflectivequestion.
If you were to go back and talkto, talk to yourself when you
were pregnant the first time,knowing what you now, now know,
what would you, what advicewould you give yourself?
What would you say?
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Hmm.
That makes me very happy to hearyou say that, and because, well,
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one, it shows that you reallylisten to your instincts and,
and rely on those, but alsobecause that's basically the
theme of this entire podcast.
I know you've listened to otherepisodes, like everybody says
that, and yeah.
So it makes me happy every timea, a new guest kind of echoes
that message.
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Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Yes.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And we only can do.
With what we know at the time.
Right.
We do as well as we can.
Um, I really think I, you cantell me what you think about
this.
Social media makes itchallenging for us to change our
minds in that if we postsomething like, oh, I did this
today with this child in thisway, or I'm eating this
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particular food, then it's outthere for everyone to see.
It's public, right?
And then we decide, oh, actuallyI don't eat that anymore.
Or, I'm changing how I thinkabout this concept.
And so it's almost a barrier tochange our minds because we've
already stated that.
Does that make any sense?
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Yeah.
Because we're afraid of whatpeople will.
of us changing our mind, like,oh, you like, who's gonna do
this?
But our internal critic is like,oh, your friend on Instagram is
going to come at you and say,who are you to say that you
believe this now?
Because you've said somethingquite different before.
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Um, but yeah, yeah.
Thank you for saying it's okayto be wrong and it's okay to, or
have a different opinion aboutsomething because you read a new
piece of evidence.
Right.
The world is ever changing.
science is over changing.
So, um, okay.
So as, as we're talking aboutthat um, you've kind of been,
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um, on this journey of nutritionand the pro metabolic life.
We've been talking a lot aboutthat, you and I, um, minimal
shoes, all of that.
What has been your favorite swapkind of towards a more natural
lifestyle that you've kind ofdone in the last few years?
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Oh, good.
Oh, lovely.
Me too.
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Oh, nice.
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Oh my gosh, that's so sweet.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
Yeah, it's a really good lifeskill to have, but it also, it's
like the slow living, right?
You have to slow down to dosourdough.
It's not instant And it hastaught me a lot about like, good
things take time and you can'trush the process.
I tried to rush last night.
I made sourdough non, and I didit spur of the moment and they
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didn't taste as good as they dowhen I give it, you know, a, a
day to process.
So, um, yeah.
Um, yay.
I'm glad you're sharing thesourdough starter too.
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Okay.
Oh, nice.
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Okay.
I'm excited for that.
so you mentioned your secondbaby was 20th percentile and
your first was 90th.
Um, how has that played out inthe first year?
Wait, how old is she?
I second guess my timelines fora second.
How has that played out in herfirst year of life?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
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What?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
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Oh, that's good.
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Mm-hmm.
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Weird Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
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Yeah.
So did you actually listen towhat he said and stop nursing
and give her formula?
Okay.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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It's inconsistent.
Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Great.
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Look at you.
Yes.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
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Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Wow.
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That's okay.
That's okay.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a good reminder.
In all things health Oh, I lovehow your theme through all of
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that, like the common thread wasyou acknowledging that something
felt off and you listened tothat and you pursued more.
Opinions of healthcareprofessionals and then you, you
challenge them.
That makes me so proud of you,Yeah.
I love that you've brought likephysical charts and presented
that to, to your provider too,because I think, like you said,
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that's really challenging as aparent and even if it's your
second kid, third kid, whatever,like it's challenging to speak
up for yourself and listen toyour body and then also speak up
for another little human, right?
So yeah, that's, I think thatwill be very encouraging to a
lot of, a lot of peoplelistening.
(01:04:10):
So, um, okay, so I wanna knowyour favorite resources.
If you were talking to friends,if you're encouraging new moms,
someone who's pregnant, what doyou recommend they read, watch,
follow, all of that.
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Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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right?
Yes.
Yeah, agreed.
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Yeah, I like your oppositeanswer.
That's okay.
That's okay.
And I think social media too,like those quick reels are
attention grabbing.
And so a lot of times people dothings for shock value rather
than for educational content,which is just, it's problematic
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in a lot of ways.
But, um, okay.
So we haven't talked about yourbusinesses yet, What's it like
being a mom and a business ownerof two, two small businesses?
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That's not boring.
Gardens are exciting That'sokay.
Hmm.
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Yes.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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And you don't have to wake upearlier to shower ahead of time.
Yeah, totally.
I love it.
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Yeah.
I think how Katie Bowman putsit, like stacking your life,
putting your habits together,that, that work together really
well, that are more efficient.
It sounds better thanmultitasking, and it's more,
it's more productive thanmultitasking, like doing a bunch
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of things at one time.
But yeah, no wise, wise words.
Um, okay, so where can peoplefind your businesses?
What do you offer?
Talk all about that.
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Mm-hmm.
I agree.
And speaking as a recipient ofsome of your cake creations, you
do a very good job at all ofthat.
So, yeah.
Have you made a sourdough cakeyet?
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Oh yeah.
You can make everything withsourdough.
Yes.
You have to tell me what you tryUm, Okay, let's wrap up with the
two questions that I like to askeverybody.
So, first one, what is yournumber one piece of advice for
our listeners?
What do you want everyone toknow?
(01:14:30):
Yes, you can.
I should probably change thisquestion cuz most people can't
just narrow it down to one Okay.
Okay.
(01:15:23):
Smart Hmm.
Amen to all of that.
(01:15:43):
Um, okay.
Second question.
What is your favorite dailywellness habit that you are
incorporated in into your liferight now?
Doesn't have to be a long-termthing.
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Oh.
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Oh, nice.
Oh, lovely.
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sunlight.
I realized, oh.
No, you can, it's dark there.
I have realized that sinceputting up a, a light for
filming and doing podcasts, if Ido morning podcasts, I feel so
much better throughout the day.
So it's kind of like a, I mean,it's a makeshift happy light.
(01:17:22):
It's essentially that.
Right.
It's a, it's a big filminglight, so that's, yeah.
It's been a discovery of mine.
I've lived here my entire lifeand never owned a happy light
Julianne, thank you so much forbeing here and deciding to share
your story and encourage andempower other parents.
I'm, I'm really excited for thisone to air.
(01:18:08):
Hmm, My top takeaways from myconversation with Julianne is
that motherhood is a wholejourney in and of itself, and
leaning into your mom gut andintuition is the best thing you
can do for yourself and yourfamily.
I also love how she brought upDad's mental health as well
during that early postpartumtime, as that's not something we
(01:18:30):
hear often or talk about asmuch.
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What does it mean to respond versus react?
They may be synonyms, but theyplay out in very different ways.
So true.
When we react to something, weare making decisions in the
moment.
This can mean that when we arestressed, fearful, or in pain,
those emotions take over ourdecision making process.
We don't necessarily stop tothink, we just automatically
(01:19:24):
react.
Whereas responding allows formore mindful decision making.
One is able to do this when theyhave prepared themselves for
potential scenarios and plan forhow they wanna approach these
moments.
This could be things like whatthoughts they wanna be having,
where their emotional level is,what questions they may want to
ask or support they seek outwhen it comes to birth.
(01:19:47):
This means taking the timebefore you give birth to think
through possible scenarios, forexample, you're planning a home
birth, but what if you need tobe transferred to the hospital
in that moment?
How would you like to respond tostay in control of your thoughts
and emotions?
Or if you wanna have anunmedicated vaginal birth, but
(01:20:08):
your OB is suggesting aC-section, what questions or
considerations do you wanna haveready to make a decision in the
moment?
It may seem like we'rerecommending you to go through
all of the negative outcomes.
Not at all.
There's no right way to givebirth and you can't know how
your birth is going to unfolduntil it happens.
Preparing ourselves ahead oftime to respond rather than
(01:20:31):
react will help you maintainpower.
Power in yourself, in yourdecision making, in your body
autonomy, absolutely.
Taking the time to think throughdifferent scenarios can remove
that sense of fear around thingsthat you don't necessarily want
to be part of your birth.
Thinking through these thingscan also be a way to safeguard
(01:20:52):
yourself against shame.
Guilt, anger, or disappointment.
If things don't go the way youhope they will because you
already have a plan in place onhow best to meet that challenge.
If it arises, your birth will ununfold on its appointed path.
Preparing yourself to respond toits unfolding will allow you to
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stay focused, present, andempowered through it all.
Carolyn (01:21:15):
As always, you already have all the mental strength you
need.
These
Lauren (01:21:19):
are just the tools to help you tap into it.
Check out mental push plan.comor find us on Instagram to learn
more.
Natalie (01:21:27):
Please remember that what you hear on this podcast is
not medical advice, but rememberto always do your own research
and talk to your healthcare teambefore making important
decisions about your wellness.
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Thanks so much for listening.
I'll catch you next time.
On today's episode, I chat with Julianne of Sweet Babe
Clothing and Revel handcraftedabout both her birth stories,
her experience with motherhoodso far, and what it's like
running two small businesseswhile being a stay-at-home mom.
I'm Natalie and you're listeningto the Resource Doula Podcast, a
place where we provideinformation to help you make
informed healthcare decisionsfor yourself and your family.
(00:23):
Julianne is a Pacific Northwestnative who headed for warmer
weather after high school andearned a product development
degree at the Fashion Institutein Los Angeles.
After graduation, she returnedhome to Washington State where
she met her husband.
Julian is now a stay-at-homemama to two girls and
entrepreneur of two smallbusinesses.
She designs.
Baby and kids clothing as wellas party and holiday decor.
(00:46):
She loves baking and can find anexcuse to bring a homemade cake
almost anywhere.
Julianne and I go way backbecause, well, we're cousins.
I'm sure you're going to lovethis episode.
So let's get started.
(01:10):
Hey Julianne, welcome to theshow.
Absolutely.
I'm really excited for our chattoday.
Um, I was hoping that you couldjust start out by talking a
little bit about yourself,introducing yourself to the
audience.
(01:53):
Hmm.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
You are, you are.
Oh, that's awesome.
I, yeah, you've never told methat.
Thank you for sharing now.
Okay, so you talked aboutbecoming a mom and kind of
wrestling with that identity alittle bit and figuring that all
out.
Can you start with your firstbirth experience, kind of what
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led up to that, who you are, whoyou were as a person, how that
experience kind of shaped thebeginning of motherhood for you?
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it worked for you.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's a lot of decisions to makein that state of like, oh my
gosh, okay.
(07:09):
It's finally here.
We finally achieved the thingthat we've been trying for for a
long time.
So yeah, lots and lots ofdecisions and everybody has
their own opinions too, on whatyou should be doing or should
not be doing.
Right.
Did you have a lot of that withyour first pregnancy?
Do you feel like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm.
(08:54):
Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
And that's a lot of l mentalload in and of itself, but then
processing it after.
Do you, I know I'm jumping aheadto your second daughter, but do
you, what differences do younotice with the, like the
lockdown baby, becoming a parentversus a normal, normal quote
unquote, normal, you know,social world with a second baby
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Yeah.
Hmm hmm.
(11:04):
Yeah.
(11:26):
It's a lot of, a lot of newexperiences for sure, man.
do you wanna go more into detailabout each of their birth
stories and kind of how thattranspired?
Okay.
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Hmm.
Aw.
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Yeah.
Hmm.
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Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Wow.
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Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
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Oh man.
Talk about pressure I need myown.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
(17:07):
Hmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Oh yeah.
Oh, right, right.
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She probably would.
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Yeah.
shouting across the room.
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Oh my gosh.
Wow.
Oh my gosh.
I don't think you told me thatdetail before.
So, wow.
(19:54):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yeah, I feel like you've had,you had like a lot of challenges
(20:49):
leading up to that point, notjust two in general, but Yeah.
Holy cow.
Every time you tell me thisstory, like we've talked about
it, the seven hours of pushingis what stands out to me most.
Um, like it, on one hand I'mlike, it's great that the
doctors and the nurses werelike, you can do this.
Like, let's let her do, as, youknow, give her the effort and
(21:10):
give her the time to attempt.
Um, but also seven hours ofpushing is so much work and so
exhausting.
And like you said, you wentthrough pretty much everything.
That in until you push a babyout for vaginal birth.
Right.
And, and I just think about yourpelvic floor, like seven hours
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of pushing against your pelvicfloor and the nerve damage that
could occur, and just the effortin general.
Like it's, it's wild to me thatthey did that and they
encouraged that.
I don't like to say they let youdo it because you get whatever
the heck you want and likeyou're in charge of your birth.
Right.
But yeah, just like a little bitmind blowing, that's not as
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common in both most birthstories that I've heard.
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Right.
Hmm.
Well that's, that's, it's quitethe story from the beginning to
the end, like from the beginningof the dog and processing all of
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those emotions of her passingaway.
Right.
And then going this whole newexperience of giving birth to a
baby and then, and then alsohaving the nicu.
Um, and you were breastfeeding.
Right.
Okay.
How was that experience in theNICU with establishing
breastfeeding?
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Aw.
Yeah.
(23:45):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Did you do any, um, therapy withthe tongue tie, like the
stretches and the exercises forher mouth after, or, okay.
Okay.
I'm glad that was successful andgood and yeah.
(24:06):
Yeah.
I'm just curious now that youknow, there's a lot of talk
about tongue ties in general,but, um, okay.
So tell me about kind of how youprocessed that whole birth story
and what went on in your mind,like in the following months,
like the first few monthspostpartum.
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Good.
Good.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
Yeah.
And in those immediatepostpartum UR hormones and your
sleep deprivation, like all ofthat leads to a lot of overwhelm
with processing the birth story,right?
Especially if it didn't go howyou wanted it to or imagined it
to go.
So, okay, now fast forward togetting pregnant a second time,
(26:10):
and talk a little bit about thatand then kind of, you can go
right into the birth story ifyou want to.
(26:34):
Okay.
That's alright.
Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It's funny how things happenedlike that, right?
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Surprise.
Okay.
yeah.
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Hmm.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Wow.
Nice.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
(30:35):
Yeah.
Okay.
That's really funny.
I'm just like reflecting on myown life and my own mom who is
sisters with your mom, I wasborn.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And I was born January 25th andmy mom has always taken the tree
down on December 26th, so Iwonder if it was a similar
reason.
I never like connected that inmy brain.
That's funny.
(30:56):
Yeah.
probably.
(31:22):
Mm-hmm.
okay.
Mm-hmm.
(31:51):
right?
Yeah, exactly.
Babies know, they know when it'sa calm and, and peaceful
environment.
Um, okay.
I wanna hear kind of more aboutyour decision to do a V back.
(32:48):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
makes me happy.
(33:08):
Did you do any research or likechildbirth classes around vbac
or did you just like decide, I'mgonna do this and just did it?
(33:32):
Hmm.
(33:55):
What in the world?
Wow.
And then it's also, it'sinteresting to me just because
like to play the devil'sadvocate, they don't give you
(34:17):
that when you're about to have acesarean.
Like here are the risks for thecesarean.
They say, you know, this is,this is what we're doing right.
Here are the benefits.
You get a baby.
Right?
Um, but yeah, just so that wow.
Interesting approach that Iprobably wouldn't condone
myself.
(34:47):
Well, that's Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
That's awesome.
(35:08):
I, I mean, I think I think it'sgreat if we start the
conversation really early andlet people know that they have a
choice.
Cuz there was a whole thing fora long time, like once a
cesarean, always a cesarean,like that's a, a thing people
say and so, yeah.
Hmm.
You're like, slow down I need tothink about that.
(35:29):
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah.
(35:58):
Yeah, you totally could havedone it with a 10 pound baby
promise you you totally couldSo, talk a little bit about your
second birth and how thattranspired, like and your
feelings around him.
I'm curious.
(36:21):
Mm-hmm.
not messing with that.
(37:06):
Right.
(37:45):
Hmm.
right, right.
(38:19):
Yeah.
I can walk in.
(38:45):
Oh, that's amazing.
(39:20):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
(39:44):
That's such a redemptive storyfrom the last, yeah, man.
Hmm.
(40:09):
Right, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something to think about andprocess.
And I think that's really likemindful and.
(40:29):
like self-aware of you to evenrecognize that because I, I
don't hear that from a lot ofpeople who have had opposing
birth stories or like polaropposite birth stories.
So just being aware of it isprobably the best thing that you
can do.
okay, so now that you have twobabies, um, what, after that
(40:51):
second birth experience, what wwhat were those first few months
postpartum like?
And you can compare it, compareit to the last or Yeah.
I'm just curious on that.
(41:19):
I love it.
He was cooking.
(41:39):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
(42:07):
Hm.
(43:00):
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Hmm mm-hmm.
(43:39):
Hmm.
That's a really, no, I lovethat.
(44:07):
Yeah.
You were empowered.
You're empowered.
(45:05):
Mm-hmm.
Hmm hmm.
Okay.
So when, like, when you wereexpecting your second, did you
(45:28):
do any preparation with yourfirst, like, did you do any, um,
books or education or trying toencourage her to think about
having a, a new sibling?
(45:51):
Oh yeah.
Great.
(46:23):
I love that.
She's, she's an, an amazinglittle kid, Um, I always enjoy
it when we're on FaceTime andshe has something to tell me,
Oh, she did?
Aww.
Oh, potatoes.
I love potatoes.
Amazing.
Um, okay, so, um, I kind ofwanna know if you were to, this
(46:47):
is like a, a re self-reflectivequestion.
If you were to go back and talkto, talk to yourself when you
were pregnant the first time,knowing what you now, now know,
what would you, what advicewould you give yourself?
What would you say?
(47:11):
Hmm.
That makes me very happy to hearyou say that, and because, well,
(47:33):
one, it shows that you reallylisten to your instincts and,
and rely on those, but alsobecause that's basically the
theme of this entire podcast.
I know you've listened to otherepisodes, like everybody says
that, and yeah.
So it makes me happy every timea, a new guest kind of echoes
that message.
(48:01):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Yes.
(48:34):
Mm-hmm.
(48:56):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And we only can do.
With what we know at the time.
Right.
We do as well as we can.
Um, I really think I, you cantell me what you think about
this.
Social media makes itchallenging for us to change our
minds in that if we postsomething like, oh, I did this
today with this child in thisway, or I'm eating this
(49:19):
particular food, then it's outthere for everyone to see.
It's public, right?
And then we decide, oh, actuallyI don't eat that anymore.
Or, I'm changing how I thinkabout this concept.
And so it's almost a barrier tochange our minds because we've
already stated that.
Does that make any sense?
(49:47):
Yeah.
Because we're afraid of whatpeople will.
of us changing our mind, like,oh, you like, who's gonna do
this?
But our internal critic is like,oh, your friend on Instagram is
going to come at you and say,who are you to say that you
believe this now?
Because you've said somethingquite different before.
(50:07):
Um, but yeah, yeah.
Thank you for saying it's okayto be wrong and it's okay to, or
have a different opinion aboutsomething because you read a new
piece of evidence.
Right.
The world is ever changing.
science is over changing.
So, um, okay.
So as, as we're talking aboutthat um, you've kind of been,
(50:28):
um, on this journey of nutritionand the pro metabolic life.
We've been talking a lot aboutthat, you and I, um, minimal
shoes, all of that.
What has been your favorite swapkind of towards a more natural
lifestyle that you've kind ofdone in the last few years?
(50:54):
Oh, good.
Oh, lovely.
Me too.
(51:34):
Oh, nice.
(52:05):
Oh my gosh, that's so sweet.
Yeah.
(52:38):
Hmm.
Yeah, it's a really good lifeskill to have, but it also, it's
like the slow living, right?
You have to slow down to dosourdough.
It's not instant And it hastaught me a lot about like, good
things take time and you can'trush the process.
I tried to rush last night.
I made sourdough non, and I didit spur of the moment and they
(53:03):
didn't taste as good as they dowhen I give it, you know, a, a
day to process.
So, um, yeah.
Um, yay.
I'm glad you're sharing thesourdough starter too.
(53:25):
Okay.
Oh, nice.
(53:46):
Okay.
I'm excited for that.
so you mentioned your secondbaby was 20th percentile and
your first was 90th.
Um, how has that played out inthe first year?
Wait, how old is she?
I second guess my timelines fora second.
How has that played out in herfirst year of life?
(54:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
(55:08):
Hmm.
(56:13):
What?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
(56:52):
Oh, that's good.
(57:17):
Mm-hmm.
(57:38):
Weird Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
(58:07):
Yeah.
So did you actually listen towhat he said and stop nursing
and give her formula?
Okay.
(58:31):
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(58:51):
Yeah.
Yeah.
(59:30):
It's inconsistent.
Yeah.
(01:00:16):
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Great.
(01:00:45):
Look at you.
Yes.
(01:01:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
(01:01:41):
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Wow.
(01:02:14):
That's okay.
That's okay.
(01:02:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm mm-hmm.
(01:03:02):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a good reminder.
In all things health Oh, I lovehow your theme through all of
(01:03:25):
that, like the common thread wasyou acknowledging that something
felt off and you listened tothat and you pursued more.
Opinions of healthcareprofessionals and then you, you
challenge them.
That makes me so proud of you,Yeah.
I love that you've brought likephysical charts and presented
that to, to your provider too,because I think, like you said,
(01:03:48):
that's really challenging as aparent and even if it's your
second kid, third kid, whatever,like it's challenging to speak
up for yourself and listen toyour body and then also speak up
for another little human, right?
So yeah, that's, I think thatwill be very encouraging to a
lot of, a lot of peoplelistening.
(01:04:10):
So, um, okay, so I wanna knowyour favorite resources.
If you were talking to friends,if you're encouraging new moms,
someone who's pregnant, what doyou recommend they read, watch,
follow, all of that.
(01:04:32):
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
(01:05:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
(01:06:18):
right?
Yes.
Yeah, agreed.
(01:06:45):
Yeah, I like your oppositeanswer.
That's okay.
That's okay.
And I think social media too,like those quick reels are
attention grabbing.
And so a lot of times people dothings for shock value rather
than for educational content,which is just, it's problematic
(01:07:06):
in a lot of ways.
But, um, okay.
So we haven't talked about yourbusinesses yet, What's it like
being a mom and a business ownerof two, two small businesses?
(01:07:46):
That's not boring.
Gardens are exciting That'sokay.
Hmm.
(01:08:50):
Yes.
Yeah.
(01:09:14):
Hmm.
Yeah.
(01:09:36):
Yeah.
(01:10:23):
Hmm.
(01:11:27):
And you don't have to wake upearlier to shower ahead of time.
Yeah, totally.
I love it.
(01:11:49):
Yeah.
I think how Katie Bowman putsit, like stacking your life,
putting your habits together,that, that work together really
well, that are more efficient.
It sounds better thanmultitasking, and it's more,
it's more productive thanmultitasking, like doing a bunch
(01:12:11):
of things at one time.
But yeah, no wise, wise words.
Um, okay, so where can peoplefind your businesses?
What do you offer?
Talk all about that.
(01:13:42):
Mm-hmm.
I agree.
And speaking as a recipient ofsome of your cake creations, you
do a very good job at all ofthat.
So, yeah.
Have you made a sourdough cakeyet?
(01:14:04):
Oh yeah.
You can make everything withsourdough.
Yes.
You have to tell me what you tryUm, Okay, let's wrap up with the
two questions that I like to askeverybody.
So, first one, what is yournumber one piece of advice for
our listeners?
What do you want everyone toknow?
(01:14:30):
Yes, you can.
I should probably change thisquestion cuz most people can't
just narrow it down to one Okay.
Okay.
(01:15:23):
Smart Hmm.
Amen to all of that.
(01:15:43):
Um, okay.
Second question.
What is your favorite dailywellness habit that you are
incorporated in into your liferight now?
Doesn't have to be a long-termthing.
(01:16:05):
Oh.
(01:16:41):
Oh, nice.
Oh, lovely.
(01:17:01):
sunlight.
I realized, oh.
No, you can, it's dark there.
I have realized that sinceputting up a, a light for
filming and doing podcasts, if Ido morning podcasts, I feel so
much better throughout the day.
So it's kind of like a, I mean,it's a makeshift happy light.
(01:17:22):
It's essentially that.
Right.
It's a, it's a big filminglight, so that's, yeah.
It's been a discovery of mine.
I've lived here my entire lifeand never owned a happy light
Julianne, thank you so much forbeing here and deciding to share
your story and encourage andempower other parents.
I'm, I'm really excited for thisone to air.
(01:18:08):
Hmm, My top takeaways from myconversation with Julianne is
that motherhood is a wholejourney in and of itself, and
leaning into your mom gut andintuition is the best thing you
can do for yourself and yourfamily.
I also love how she brought upDad's mental health as well
during that early postpartumtime, as that's not something we
(01:18:30):
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Welcome to the push corner with Carolyn and Lauren
of mental push plan,
Lauren (01:18:58):
bringing you mental tools to empower you through
pregnancy birth and.
Mental Push Plan (01:19:02):
What does it mean to respond versus react?
They may be synonyms, but theyplay out in very different ways.
So true.
When we react to something, weare making decisions in the
moment.
This can mean that when we arestressed, fearful, or in pain,
those emotions take over ourdecision making process.
We don't necessarily stop tothink, we just automatically
(01:19:24):
react.
Whereas responding allows formore mindful decision making.
One is able to do this when theyhave prepared themselves for
potential scenarios and plan forhow they wanna approach these
moments.
This could be things like whatthoughts they wanna be having,
where their emotional level is,what questions they may want to
ask or support they seek outwhen it comes to birth.
(01:19:47):
This means taking the timebefore you give birth to think
through possible scenarios, forexample, you're planning a home
birth, but what if you need tobe transferred to the hospital
in that moment?
How would you like to respond tostay in control of your thoughts
and emotions?
Or if you wanna have anunmedicated vaginal birth, but
(01:20:08):
your OB is suggesting aC-section, what questions or
considerations do you wanna haveready to make a decision in the
moment?
It may seem like we'rerecommending you to go through
all of the negative outcomes.
Not at all.
There's no right way to givebirth and you can't know how
your birth is going to unfolduntil it happens.
Preparing ourselves ahead oftime to respond rather than
(01:20:31):
react will help you maintainpower.
Power in yourself, in yourdecision making, in your body
autonomy, absolutely.
Taking the time to think throughdifferent scenarios can remove
that sense of fear around thingsthat you don't necessarily want
to be part of your birth.
Thinking through these thingscan also be a way to safeguard
(01:20:52):
yourself against shame.
Guilt, anger, or disappointment.
If things don't go the way youhope they will because you
already have a plan in place onhow best to meet that challenge.
If it arises, your birth will ununfold on its appointed path.
Preparing yourself to respond toits unfolding will allow you to
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stay focused, present, andempowered through it all.
Carolyn (01:21:15):
As always, you already have all the mental strength you
need.
These
Lauren (01:21:19):
are just the tools to help you tap into it.
Check out mental push plan.comor find us on Instagram to learn
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not medical advice, but rememberto always do your own research
and talk to your healthcare teambefore making important
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