September 5, 2025 • 50 mins
What if your entire reality was being filtered through beliefs you formed as a five-year-old? According to mindset expert Jim Huntzicker, neuroscience reveals we only perceive about 12% of reality—the rest gets filtered out by subconscious beliefs we established before age eight.
In this perspective-shifting conversation, Jim reveals how childhood experiences create the mental "ruts" that dictate our adult behaviors around money, relationships, and success. He shares the shocking story of walking away from six profitable businesses due to limiting beliefs formed while witnessing his parents' arguments about money. This pattern—sabotaging success just when things are going well—is something many high-achievers experience without understanding why.
The episode delivers practical frameworks for transformation, including the powerful "Decision Director" method for reprogramming limiting beliefs and a five-step process for releasing deep-seated resentments that anchor our core limiting beliefs. Jim explains why identifying when you go "primal" (experiencing fear, anxiety, or stress) provides the perfect opportunity to uncover what's truly holding you back.
For leaders and coaches, Jim offers valuable insights on how to address resistance to change by helping people recognize their emotional patterns and shift from "primal" to "powerful" states. He emphasizes that this work isn't a one-time fix but a lifelong practice of awareness, presence, and gratitude that fundamentally changes how you experience challenges.
Ready to discover what your five-year-old brain decided that's still running your life today? This episode provides the awareness and tools to finally break free from invisible mental patterns and consciously create the reality you desire.
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Jay Johnson works with people and organizations to empower teams, grow profits, and elevate leadership. He is a Co-Founder of Behavioral Elements®, a two-time TEDx speaker, and a designated Master Trainer by the Association for Talent Development. With a focus on behavioral intelligence, Jay has delivered transformational workshops to accelerate high-performance teams and cultures in more than 30 countries across four continents. For inquiries, contact jay@behavioralelements.com or connect below!
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Jay Johnson (00:01):
Welcome to this episode of the Talent Forge,
where together we are shapingworkforce behaviors.
I'm really excited.
Today we've got a special guest, Jim Huntzicker.
Welcome to the show, Jim.
Jim Huntzicker (00:13):
Jay, thanks for having me Looking forward to it.
Jay Johnson (00:18):
So, jim, mindset is one of the things that can hold
us back.
It can propel us forward.
There's a lot going on in thatspace.
You've written a book MindsetBreakthrough.
I'd love to just dig right intothat.
What is mindset, how can wedefine it, what does it mean?
And you know, why should wecare?
Jim Huntzicker (00:37):
Well, mindset, you know from, if we look at it
from a neuroscience perspective,which is, like you know, all
the technology we have now isgreat and sometimes it's bad,
but sometimes it's really good,right, and, and like
neuroscience, it tells us we'rewe're only seeing about 12% of
reality, right, like, like,literally, we have a filter on.
It's like an 88% filteredreality, and what's it?
What it's filtering out is isis everything around you that
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doesn't meet your subconsciousfilters, the stuff that you
decided to believe Most of thetime.
You decided to believe most ofthe time you decided to believe
before you were eight years old.
Right, like, you decided tobelieve something when you were
five and you still have an adultbrain trying to prove that
right today, even if you don'tbelieve it anymore.
Like, a quick example of thatwe all know somebody who drinks
too much and they say they wantto quit drinking right, but then
they never do.
(01:18):
Right, like they say I'm goingto quit, this is going to be my
last weekend, and then theystill drink the weekend, and
it's because consciously theywant to quit, but subconsciously
they haven't changed theprogram yet.
And that's the subconscious iswhat runs the show.
And so when we talk aboutmindset, we really have to look
at the programming that we haveand the ruts that we have in our
mind that are creating thefilters that we see life through
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, because once you see thingsdifferently, you can make a
decision to believe somethingnew.
And once you see thingsdifferently, you can make a
decision to believe somethingnew.
And once you do that, youliterally you see differently,
like and when I say you seedifferently, it is like this
epiphany, it is the best thingthat will ever happen to you,
because everything right nowyou're seeing like, if you go, I
teach, powerful and primalstates of being.
You know, powerful is when youfeel really good, you're clear,
(02:03):
resourceful, energetic.
And primal is when you feel badfear, anxiety, stress, and so,
real quick, people are alwayslike well, how do I find these
beliefs that are negative, thatare bad, that are hurting me,
right there.
Primal Every time you go.
Primal, start thinking aboutyour thoughts.
Every time you get stressed,fear, anxiety, those are
automatic.
Right, you start payingattention to your thoughts.
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What are you thinking?
Right then, write them down,because that is where your
limiting beliefs are buried,that's where what's messing with
your life the most is buried inthose belief systems.
And, for example, if you have adesire for something and you
don't have it right, like youwant to get somewhere
financially or in your love lifeor whatever it is, doesn't
matter, you have a desire.
If you're not there, the onlyreason you're not is because you
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have something stored in yoursubconscious that's stopping you
from getting there.
It's resistance, we call it.
There's four levels ofresistance, we'll get into that
in a minute.
But but this all packs intomindset.
So so when you say mindset, ityou really got to look at, go a
little deeper, because themindset is created from the
beliefs we have.
And the beliefs we have, mostof them started before we were
eight years old, and they were.
They were set in motion by the,by our primary influences,
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usually our parents, andsometimes that could be a fight.
We overheard them, you know, orsomething wasn't even directly
at us and we decided oh, money'sbad, money causes problems.
Or I'm not smart because youhear your parents praising your
brother or sister for theirhomework because they got
straight A's and you don't getstraight A's, and so, even
though they weren't talkingdirectly to you, you assign
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meaning that you're not smart.
Right, and so now you gothrough life thinking you're not
smart because you assign thatmeaning when you were five, like
it's crazy.
Like we have five year olds, sowe're still.
We have these five-old brainsthat made this decision and now
we're adults and we're stillgoing with these same decisions.
Is neuroscience, psychology andcommunication?
Jay Johnson (04:05):
And I love what you're saying because it is the
formative years oftentimes thatends up carrying with us and it
manifests in a number ofdifferent ways.
So you know, I remember and I'mgoing to share one with you.
This is one that maybe theaudience hasn't heard yet, but
we've talked a lot about, likethe conscious and the
unconscious mind, some of thework from Dr Alan Langer, et
(04:26):
cetera.
But when I was in probablysecond grade, jim, I had a
teacher who told me well, jay,math is probably not your thing.
Jim Huntzicker (04:36):
This is such a typical story, man it's crazy
and no joke.
Jay Johnson (04:39):
It carried with me through my entire life.
I deferred graduating fromcollege for two full years
because I was afraid to take themath proficiency examination.
Okay, so my behavior clearlyshifted over the course and I
just thought I was bad at math.
Now I do computationalprobabilistic decision modeling,
(05:01):
I do linear programming, I domethodological research, science
.
Clearly, I'm not bad at mathand I ended up, when I ended up,
finally getting the courage totake it, I passed four levels
above where I needed to pass inorder to get through this, which
is ridiculous, but it was amindset listening is so.
Jim Huntzicker (05:24):
So look at that, because of that teacher, like,
let's find the good, right,because if you're looking for
bad, you'll find that, but ifyou're looking for good, you'll
always find that too.
And because that teacher saidthat you studied that much
harder.
And now, two years later, okay,so it set you back a couple
years, but that was also meantto be whatever.
It's a story for another time.
But but then you, you, becauseof that, you were four levels
higher.
So you, actually you.
And if without that teacher,you might've just been
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equivalent, maybe even less.
Jay Johnson (05:47):
Yeah Well, and the funny thing is is it was 60
credit hours extra ofcommunication and psychology
courses, so it really did set meup for success in the long term
.
I don't regret that, but I dofind it kind of funny is that I
was holding onto a belief that Iwas not good at something, when
it was literally an engineerthat pointed out like you're
doing pretty advancedmathematics with.
(06:08):
You know some of the differentthings that you're doing.
Have you considered the factthat maybe you're better at this
than you think?
And it was so funny because itwas that moment that really kind
of shifted like wait a second,yeah, I am doing a lot of
different things.
Now I am still.
I was very good at appliedmathematics.
I wasn't always good at whenthey started adding in a bunch
of letters and everything else.
(06:29):
But let's talk about this sortof mindset.
How do we we all have somethingthat we're carrying from some
point in time.
You know, from hearing thatargument from somebody saying
something, it could have been anoffword comment.
It took me a long time toobviously overcome that.
You've talked about somedifferent ways in which we can
sort of come to fruition withthose different limiting beliefs
(06:52):
that we have in a much fasterway.
Let's talk about that, jim.
What are your thoughts?
Jim Huntzicker (06:56):
All right.
So I just explained.
You know already how to findthem right.
These are the surface levelones and we'll get into your
core limiting belief and that'sthe one that really messes with
your life the most and it startsto rear its ugly head usually
between the ages of 35 and 55.
So pay attention for that,because we'll get to that in a
minute, because that's the onethat's really screwing with your
life.
But the surface level limitingbeliefs, the ones like your
teacher said an offhand commentand you carry with it until you
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were in college, like yours, forexample.
Now, now, that's a surface levellimiting belief.
While you carried it with youit did alter the way you handled
your life.
It's still on surface level andwe can get rid of those pretty
easily.
Like yours was one comment froman engineer that said hey, dude
, what you're doing is actuallyreally advanced.
Like I think you're being alittle hard on yourself.
It just took one person for youto be like oh, you're right,
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that's a decision that was madeand maybe you tied it back at
that moment to that teacher,maybe you didn't, but either way
, you made a decision then tobelieve something new.
So that old decision you madein second grade had finally
changed when you were you knowwhatever you're 22, 23 years old
at that point and so you made adecision to believe something
new, and so anybody could dothat.
So there's a real easyframework I'm going to give you.
You can just do it on a pieceof paper.
(08:02):
You don't need to buy anything,you don't need to download
anything.
I call it the decision director.
You take a sheet of paper andyou draw two lines to create
three columns.
So just draw two lines down,create three columns.
In the column on the left, youtitle it limiting beliefs, your
existing limiting belief, right,something that you've
discovered that's holding youback.
Jay Johnson (08:20):
I'm not good at, I don't like, I am stuck, I
whatever those I am not.
Jim Huntzicker (08:27):
If you ever say why, why we're on this, why, if
you ever say I am not, it isit's, those are not just just
neutral comments, those arecommands to your self-conscious
that makes that stuff true.
So if you're not good atreading, if you're not good at
math, if you're not good withmoney, that's not what you say,
not even in your head.
You say I'm working on gettingbetter at this, because it's not
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a strength of mine right now.
I'm working on getting better.
Right, it's a mindset shift.
It's how you view it.
It's how your subconsciousviews it.
But if you say I'm not good atreading, your subconscious says
oh okay, I'll make sure that'strue and it'll but, if you say
you are good, it'll find ways,it'll look for opportunity, just
like when people say I don'thave time to work out, I don't
have time to work out, I don'thave time to work out.
(09:08):
Well, they don't seeopportunities like taking the
stairs.
Just to go on four flights ofstairs is an opportunity to burn
some calories.
Or parking the car in the backof the parking lot and walking
an extra 50 steps each way.
Jay Johnson (09:18):
Right, I just the two percent rule, the 2% rule,
and I forget the author, but hetalks about it.
It's literally 2% of thepopulation, is the only part of
the population that actuallytakes the stairs and they've
done a couple of differentstudies, but it's the 2%.
In his world is make your lifeharder.
Take that back, build the microresilience, et cetera.
(09:41):
And he's a neuroscientist andI'll come up with his name
eventually.
Yeah, I know who you're talkingabout.
Jim Huntzicker (09:46):
I thought I had the book, but I don't.
I think I have an audible, Ithink I got it in my audible and
I don't have it in print yet.
But okay, so so all right.
So back to the decisiondirector.
So we got two lines of thepiece paper that on the left
column, or three columns.
Left column is the, the oldlimiting belief.
And again, how you find thoseis anytime you go primal, right,
like what Jay said.
Also, like when you tell your Iam not, I'm not good Like
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things that you say I am, thoseare beliefs you have, whether
they're good or bad, right.
And so if you say I amsomething, that's not positive,
that's a limiting belief.
And so the middle column is thenew empowered decision.
So let's just say you thinkyou're bad with money, I'm not
good with money, right, andthat's your thing.
And you could have a lot ofmoney, by the way, and still be
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bad with money.
Like I have a friend I grew upwith who's done very well, he's
worth over $100 million, and wewere talking like not that long
ago, because I was studyingfinance, and he's like dude,
what are you doing?
I'm like I never learned aboutmoney growing up I didn't go to
college.
My dad didn't teach me no, theydon't teach you in school.
Nobody taught me about money.
Like I realized I didn't have.
Like my financial literacy wassuper low.
(10:51):
And here's this guy worth likea hundred million dollars and
he's like dude, he goes.
I don't know anything aboutmoney either.
I'm like well, you betterfucking start learning before
you lose it all Cause cause youdon't get your financial
literacy up.
People lose $100 million.
People lose $300 million, right, look?
Jay Johnson (11:05):
at professional athletes All the time.
So that goes back to yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (11:10):
It's crazy.
That goes back to being likethey're never comfortable with
money.
They were comfortable beingpoor.
They got all this money at once.
As soon as the money is notregularly coming in, they find
ways to give it away.
Some gamble it away, someinvest in stupid businesses, and
then all of a sudden they'rebroke because that's actually
where they're comfortable,because subconsciously, they
never got used to the money.
They had zero financialliteracy and they never got
comfortable with money.
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What they were comfortable withis being in credit card debt
and broke because that's the waythey were their whole life
prior to making big money whenthey were 18.
So it's crazy that that is howtheir subconscious beliefs bring
them back and so we're dealing.
That's a core limiting beliefthat makes people go broke when
they're that wealthy.
Because why would you be doingyou know financial literacy?
That just seems to make sensewhen you have, you know, making
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tens of millions of dollars ayear, but not everybody, but
anyway.
So the middle column we're backto the evidence of the new
empowered decision.
So you got that limiting belief, new empowered decision, and it
could just be the opposite,mind you Like.
So just don't overthink thisright now.
It could change and you couldadd to this, but if I'm not good
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with money, I am good withmoney.
And then the column on theright is is you find evidence of
that Cause?
If you're looking for evidenceof good, you'll find it
everywhere, even little, evenlittle micro examples of that
're good with money, that youcan save money, or that you know
that you make money every week,or however it is.
You could find that, ok, I'mactually, you know, I'm not bad
with money, but I do need tolearn more, right and so so find
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examples, and that helpsprogram your self-conscious,
your subconscious, that that youare actually good.
Because look at these examplesthat, even finding money on the
street like I find money layingaround all the time, like who
doesn't find a penny, like Ipick up pennies all the time,
like why wouldn't you?
Because, also, if you, if youtake one penny, by the way, and
you double it every day, sotoday, be one, then two, then
four, then eight, and do thatfor 30 days you'll be mind blown
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how many, how many penniesthere are at day 30, doubling it
, starting with one on day one,two, four, eight, sixteen,
thirty two by the time you getto 30, the number's like 11
million or 10 million.
I think it's crazy how fast itstarts counting when you get to
like 20, 21.
But anyway, so that decisiondirector, you go through that
with any limiting belief thatcomes up.
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Anytime you go primal, anytimeyou tell yourself I'm not good
at, I'm not that, anythingthat's not positive, you have a
belief buried there.
Anything that's not positive,you have a belief buried there.
And so so, like I, part of mymy story is that I walked away
from six profitable businesses,Like, literally, they were
profitable.
Nothing went.
Nothing went wrong.
It wasn't like they had adownturn and I had to go.
I just stopped, Like I I was areal estate agent in the top 1%.
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I just stopped.
I was flipping houses.
I was doing about 50, 60 a year, doing really well.
I just stopped.
I created an online infoproduct for real estate
investors.
It taught them how to use theMLS to find deals to flip.
I sold 800 of them.
It was a thousand dollarproduct.
I just stopped.
And I can go on and on and tellyou more.
But the point is, in the seventhbusiness, I was profitable
until it wasn't, and then at theend to me, it was God saying
hey, let me just grab all ofthis money you had, Because the
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first six businesses you walkaway from you didn't get it, so
now I need to get your attentionhere.
And he got it.
Because then I looked back andI was like what did I just do?
Why would I walk away?
Because I could have soldbusinesses, I could have sold
lists.
But what I finally realized Ihad to go on a soul-searching
journey of a couple years.
I didn't know it was going tobe a couple years, but on a
couple-year journey to figureout, like why would I do that?
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Like what was I doing there?
Because I've been married 20years, I got two kids, and so
why would I be walking away frommoney?
Well, my upbringing was moneycauses conflict.
We were really poor growing up.
Until we were about five wewere homeless.
At four we had to move in withmy grandparents Like we weren't
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on the street, but we didn'thave our own house anymore and
my parents drank a lot prior tothat and we were very, very poor
.
And so we lost a couple ofhouses the last one, we didn't
have enough money to get anotherone.
Then my dad quit drinking.
He went from driving limos andlaying concrete to, by the time
we were 10, he owned multiplegas stations and a real estate
office.
But the fighting never stopped.
So my parents went fromfighting about having no money
to fighting about the.
Now the money's the problem.
And then, of course, they gotdivorced when I was 12.
So so to me and my brother weboth we both have, we had major
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issues that money causesconflict, money causes problems.
And so what was I doing withthose businesses?
Well, I love my wife, I hadkids.
So I was just likesubconsciously this was not
conscious, but I realized whatit was.
I was running for business.
I was running from the moneybecause I thought I was going to
start fighting with my wife,who I love to death and I don't
fight with, and I thought I wasgoing to break up my family and
get divorced.
That was my subconscious belief, because that's what I believed
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when I was seven.
You saw it, that was what youexperienced, my experience.
It was real life for me and sothat's easy to make that.
So so, when you look at thegood even though I walked away
from all those businesses thatso much good came from it and
one of the good things ismoney's easy to make and if you
just heard me say that andyou're like you have to work
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hard for money, you have alimiting belief buried there
that tells you that cause it'snot true, Right?
So so some people learn fromtheir parents because their
parents, and from their parentsbecause their parents.
And, by the way, there's noblame here, there's no judgment.
Everybody your parents, theirparents, the parents who are is
doing the best they can with thecards.
Jay Johnson (16:11):
They were dealt Right.
Yeah, I'm really glad youbrought that up, because I do
think that a lot of times it isthat shame, it's the guilt, it's
the the sort of like resentmentthat's underlying that ends up
stopping us from even looking atthese beliefs and like, well, I
, you know, I, I, I guess youknow I, I should be thankful for
X, y and Z?
Yep, you should.
(16:32):
But at the same time you canalso look at this and say, hey,
this is a belief system that'skind of embedded itself that I
it's no longer serving me.
You inherited it.
Jim Huntzicker (16:40):
Like you were.
You were, you didn't decide iton your own, somebody else
decided for you and you're likeoh well, that's my primary
influence and so obviously thisis the way it is.
Like you don't have any likewhen you, before you're eight
years old, your brain's in theta, which is just you don't have
any deductive reasoning, youjust take everything as truth,
especially from the people whoinfluence you most, like your
parents.
So that's why, even hearingfights like I heard crazy fights
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.
There was no abuse, but therewas just screaming and yelling
about money, and my room wasnext to theirs and so all I
heard was these fights aboutmoney and money and money, and
so money was just bad, and sothat was my core limiting belief
.
But here's the thing your corelimiting belief, which is kind
of like a marriage or yourparents, if that's who raised
you.
But whoever your primaryinfluences are, you're going to
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have your core limiting belieffrom them.
And if your parents raised you,it's going to be kind of half
your mom's, half your dad's.
And the surface level ones thedecision director can get rid of
those, no problem.
But the core ones, so those areanchored by resentment, and so
that was something I did noteven like I had to go on this
journey and figure out and causeI'm like, all right, I'm aware
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of this belief and I'm aware ofwhy now, but I couldn't seem to
shake it Right.
Like I couldn't seem to get thebelief.
Cause I'd say, you know, causeI used to see, like for me, if
it was even seeing cars likeRange Rovers in my neighborhood
or Rolls Royce, and I wouldautomatically be like rich
asshole, like automatically, youknow, like all the rich people
I've met in my life, most ofthem, like 99%, are incredibly
gracious, generous people, right, like so why would I
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automatically go to rich jerkwhen I see a nice car?
And so now I switched it to Isee a nice car and automatically
it's like look at all theabundance in the world.
Because I made a new decision.
But the reason for that isgrowing up poor.
A lot of people.
All the access they had to richpeople was TV and if you watch
a lot of the shows, like I'm 47.
(18:27):
So, like a lot of shows fromgrowing up, like you know,
gilligan's Island, mash, I canname, you know, because it's
still the same today.
By the way, the people yourelated to were the poor people
living in scarcity Like couldbarely.
You know they drank a lot.
They live check to check they,you know, sometimes like they
bought food, that um with that,with the last money they had, or
they had to borrow just forthat.
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But those are the people thatwere funny and you loved, you
related to, and the people thatyou didn't like, the people that
were the jerks and the villainsof the shows, were the wealthy
people.
So so it wasn't.
Jay Johnson (18:57):
You know it's subtle like the simpsons.
Jim Huntzicker (18:58):
The montgomery burns and a hundred percent, yes
, like that's so.
So because of that, yeah, butthat that there's, they're
making a joke of it, right,cause it's a Simpsons, which
that show is incredible by, like, just their longevity and the.
It's just incredible, that show.
I don't watch it anymore.
I did for years.
But that show is incredible.
But there you go.
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That's a perfect example, causethey're, they're, they're, you
know, um, exaggerating the, youknow the, but that's not.
But that's not an exaggeration.
There is really people likethat.
And so, because there's the fewthat if you don't have any
other access to wealthy peopleand all you see on TV is Mr
Burns types, well then you'regoing to say rich people are
jerks, and then you're not goingto let yourself be a rich jerk.
So, subconsciously, if youbelieve rich people are jerks,
you're not going to let yourselfbecome a rich jerk.
So, subconsciously, if youbelieve rich people are jerks,
you're not going to let yourselfbecome a rich jerk.
So so you're going to like,you're going to find ways to get
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rid of your money.
That's why people, even peoplethat are worth 30, 40 million,
like let's just not say, sportsguys that are worth 300, people
that do really well in business30, $40 million that they, that
they have a net worth and theygo bankrupt.
Why?
Because they were nevercomfortable with the money.
Like they were smart enough,they obviously had the business
savvy, they had education to getthem there and to figure out
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how to make the money.
But how did they lose that?
They weren't comfortable withit right, so subconsciously,
they were never comfortable.
Jay Johnson (20:16):
I want to dig into something here, jim, because I
think it's really important.
I love this concept ofresentment and I actually do a
lot of work around resentment.
I'd love to hear from you, youknow, as you're working with
somebody or as you're coachingthem, when we look at something
like money, it's very easy to gooh, you know that jerk in the
Rolls Royce, right Like that.
Okay, I can see where thatresentment kind of lines.
(20:37):
When we look at something, say,whether it's, you know, the
surface level, limiting belief,or if, if it's something that's
not money related, how can we asindividuals kind of identify
the resentment, because it'sbecome such an encoded aspect of
the way that we think, the waythat we feel and so on and so
(20:59):
forth.
We may not even, becauseemotions are so funny they don't
always show up as what theyactually are.
Sometimes we look at it as oh,I'm not resentful and I'm not
jealous of that person that hasthis.
You know, that's the.
How do we pull that resentmentout?
What do we do to look for thatas the underlying sort of
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feeling that we might beexperiencing?
Jim Huntzicker (21:22):
The best and most glaring example is blame
right.
When you want to blame, like oh, they did this to me, well,
there's a resentment there,right.
Because you're going to say,well, my parents, this, my
parents, that this person, thisteacher did this right, and so
there's resentments there.
And it's when you go primal,usually you know, when you have
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anxiety and fear, you startpaying attention to those
thoughts Like that's why youwrite those down.
Because once you write themdown and start really getting
into the details of that likehere's another example Like when
I realized like I stoppedgetting mad at my kids several
years ago.
Like I don't get loud, I used toyell a lot because my dad
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yelled a lot.
Because his dad yelled a lot,right, and so I yelled a lot.
I didn't like that, I did and Iwould.
Just it's what I knew.
And then I realized something.
I had this epiphany one day Iforget why it even was, but I
was mad about something Likethis is the time my kids were
like nine I'm like, he's still akid, like I just didn't teach
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him this.
So my anger was really atmyself for not being a good
parent, like I haven't parentedproperly.
He's nine and so ever sincethen, like my kids don't have a
free pass, I'm stern, but Idon't get mad and I don't yell
because I just realized Iobviously haven't conveyed my
message well enough to them,where it sunk in as a, as a
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belief that they need and sothat that that mindset shift,
taking ownership in thatownership of it they need, and
so that mindset shift.
Jay Johnson (22:52):
Taking ownership in that space.
Taking ownership of it Right.
Jim Huntzicker (22:54):
Exactly.
And so when you do some deep,you know, when you look inside,
you truly look and you don'tpush it away you're also going
to find you have resentments toyourself, right, and so, while
your parents are the ones thatare probably going to tie your
core belief down until you letthat go, uh, you're going to
have issues in your life tillyou let yourself off the hook
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too and and like that's like, Ihave a, literally I have a, uh,
a self-resentment inventory anda and a others resentment, just
to get, because people like,well, I don't know if I mean
here, here's what you do Go togo to ChetGPT, right, like
everybody knows what that is now, and put in can you list, give
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me a list of resentments peoplehold against themselves?
Enter and it'll give you a list.
And can you give me a list,like, of resentments people hold
against parents?
You know against, you knowregarding love, money, whatever,
from growing up, from growingup, can you just get?
Just to get, I need some ideas,cause I know I have resentments
but I haven't figured them outyet.
Like it's a free resource.
It's going to give you anincredible amount of information
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there, and then you can be like, oh yeah, I got that, I got
that.
I got that.
Oh there, it is there, and nowyou can work.
You know, reverse engineer.
Okay, like how do I get rid ofthis to me?
Right, like like they're madabout it, but but the person
you're mad at doesn't careanymore.
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They're not even thinkingthey've moved on Right.
So, so, so you're just you're,you're.
Jay Johnson (24:21):
Holding out to resentments is like eating
poison or they're completelyunaware that they've created
this condition.
Yeah, for sure, For sure.
And even if they are, theydon't care right.
Jim Huntzicker (24:30):
They're not thinking about it like you are,
and so so holding out thatresentment is like eating poison
and expecting the other personto die.
The only person that hurts isyou.
So so you're not letting themgo, You're not letting go of
this resentment.
They're not letting them offthe hook, You're not apologizing
to them, You're not sayinganything to them.
You're just processing thisresentment internally to let it
go, so it doesn't eat you upinside anymore.
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It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
Like you can look at it likethis.
Like this is it?
This is it.
It's not about resentment, butclinging and resisting.
Right, Like this I got fromMichael.
Jay Johnson (25:04):
Singer.
If you know Michael Singer, hewrote the untethered soul and
surrender experiment.
Jim Huntzicker (25:06):
Michael Easter, that's the 2% person you just
said.
Jay Johnson (25:08):
Michael Easter, it just popped into my brain.
Sorry, michael Easter, I waslike Michael Easter, it just
popped into my brain, Sorry.
Jim Huntzicker (25:10):
So Michael Easter was a 2% guy, Michael
Singer is a surrender guy andhe's who I learned surrender
from, but this was probably oneof the most profound things I
learned from reading hismaterial.
Is that okay resisting?
We all know resisting it justgets bigger and bigger and like,
if you just deal with it,whatever the problem is, it's
going to be less than you thinkand it's going to be easier to
process.
When you deal with it right now, when you push it away, it just
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gets bigger and bigger andbigger, and some of you have
been pushing stuff away for 30and 40 years.
So you've got these monstersthat you're afraid to deal with
because it's been so long.
But here's the kicker you alsogot to process stuff you like,
because clinging on to stuff youlike also messes with you and
you're like wait what?
Why don't I get to hold on tothe good?
No, just experience it.
(25:51):
The bad gone, the good gone.
Experience it as a good thing,as a bad that sucks.
Let me learn a lesson from thebad thing.
But here let me give you anexample.
You go to the beach.
It's like the most beautifulsunset you ever saw.
Like, oh my God, I cannot waitto back and see this amazing
sunset.
And you go back to the beachthe next time.
And what happens?
Cloudy, it's overcast.
Jay Johnson (26:13):
Yep.
Jim Huntzicker (26:14):
And it's beautiful.
It's all right because you'restill at the beach and you still
got this ocean.
You still got the moonlightthrough clouds and it's
incredible, but it's not thebeautiful pastel colors you saw
the first time and now you'relet down.
So now you're going primal,from something you like,
something you like right.
So you're you, because you hada belief that this is, this is
always this way.
You said that you clung on toit and you're like I have to
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have this to be good, so youthat that sets your minimum
standard of what like yeah, aninternal expectation barometer
almost, and it can go in eitherof the directions.
That's exactly the next time yougo now you're let down by
something you absolutely loved.
It was incredibly beautiful,when you could have just
experienced it.
Going back the next time, likelook at this, look at the moon
and the clouds there's no colorsthis time, but look at how
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incredible.
This is right, but now you'relet down instead.
Jay Johnson (26:59):
So I love this.
It actually reminds me a littlebit of Tai Chi and so I did
mixed martial arts for a longtime and everybody was always
surprised, like Tai Chi is anonviolent mixed martial arts or
you know a martial art, andmaybe not even considered a
martial art, but it is.
It's the idea of being able tosurrender to a pressure and to
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be able to sort of pivot and tobe able to reshift and move it
into something else and turn,you know, some kind of like net
power force yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (27:32):
External.
I've never studied Tai Chi.
I'm fascinated by it though.
So so you know you're exactlyright with this example.
You're a hundred percentcorrect.
Like this is a great example.
Jay Johnson (27:39):
Okay, so let's, let's, let's take this Cause I
love the, I love the threecolumns right.
So we have the, the limitedbelief for the surface level
limited belief.
We have the middle of the, ofthe opposite of that.
Yeah, and then finding theevidence for it.
So I'm thinking about this interms of workforce development
and if we can take it there fora second, jim right, when we're
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doing training, coaching oranything else inside of trying
to develop a workforce.
My guess and I've seen this, soit's a partial guess, but I
would be willing to bet that ina number of those different
instances you're gonna have theaudience with some level of
resentment Resentment for havingto learn something new, to
change a behavior, becausepeople don't always love change.
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They look at it and go, oh mygosh, this is hard.
Or the brain says that this ishard and why can't we just do it
the way that?
Jim Huntzicker (28:29):
we've always done it.
Your current belief system saysit is right.
Jay Johnson (28:32):
Yeah, but you're right, there's gonna be
resentment there against thisdude.
Jim Huntzicker (28:35):
Who's this guy?
Jay Johnson (28:36):
So we're going to see some level of resistance,
and this is well documented.
This is something that we'vedone in our research.
We see a lot of resistance totalent development programs.
So, in this regard, if I'm aleader, if I'm a coach, if I'm a
leader, if I'm a coach, if I'ma trainer, if I'm an HR person,
and I want to introduce somekind of new behavior or some
kind of new intervention that'sgoing to create the conditions
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of change, how should I bethinking about resentment?
How should I be thinking aboutthis mindset to start off, so
that way I can get the audiencein the right foot to be able to
make those kinds of shifts ortransitions?
What are your thoughts?
Jim Huntzicker (29:13):
Well, the first step to anything right to make
change is awareness.
Most of them might not even beaware that the resentment is
what is coming up.
They just might be gettingangry.
They're going primal.
They're like you know who the Fis this guy to tell me how to,
how to run my team.
Or you know, like who is whowho guy to tell me how to run my
team.
Or you know, like who are theybringing Right?
But if you start with theawareness, like you get out in
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front of it right, like theymight already be aware they're
going to teach them something.
But if you just lead withresentment and tell them what
they're going to process, itwill change the way they view
that experience, because nowthey're going to see it from the
eyes of oh wait, okay.
Like I would even use powerfuland primal states of being.
So you see, like you're, eitheryou're either going to be
learning here in a powerfulstate, like you are right now,
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like you're optimistic, you'reenergetic, you're excited, or
you're probably like who the Fis this dude?
Who does he think he is?
I need, I have work to do.
You know you're pissed off,like so.
So if you're in a primal stateof being, you're not going to
learn well today, but if you'rein a powerful state of being,
you're going to take.
Even if you take one thing away.
What if it's that one thingthat helps you get a 10% raise
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on your next evaluation?
Right Like what if?
Jay Johnson (30:18):
that one thing Saves you five hours of time a
week, whatever that might be,yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (30:23):
Right, exactly so I think, framing it the right
way and letting them know thatthey're about, some of them are
about to experience resentmentand go primal and they're not
going to learn, and so you couldtake that into their everyday
life, right Like, be like, hey,does this happen in your daily
life too?
Because if it's happening righthere, right now, this is not
because of me, it's got nothingto do with me.
This is all because of yourinternal resistance, because of
your belief system that you have.
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You're allowing you to resentsomething you don't.
This could be the this, thisone meeting could be the thing
that makes this pivotal changein your entire mindset and
future, that changes the entiretrajectory of where you're going
.
It could just be one littlething from the 10 points I'm
about to give you, but becauseyou're primal, you're not going
to get any of the 10 points,because you think you're too
good for this, because you haveresentment right now.
And so if you don't turn on tobeing more open-minded or
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optimistic, I'm sure you'renoticing this everywhere in your
life, because it's not just me,right?
So if you throw it back likethat and tell it, they're going
to start, they're going toreflect and be like oh shit,
like this is all over my life,like, I do this all the time,
right, like, and so they,because we're, we're, we're,
we're, we're creatures of habit.
Every you know.
So these are just and here'sthe craziest thing that we get
addicted to negative emotions.
We get addicted to like.
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That goes back to like well, whydo people go lose $300 million
and go bankrupt?
Because they, they're addictedto scarcity, they're addicted to
poverty, and it's because it'swhat they're comfortable Like.
Well, why, why would that be?
I want money, and everybodysays that, but but when your
comfort zone, in yoursubconscious, when you're
comfortable, is poverty, is poor, it's how you grew up, right,
and so so the change is isbecoming the person with money,
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becoming the wealthy person, andso so they, they go back to
their, their, their, whatthey're comfortable with, which
is which is living in scarcity.
Jay Johnson (32:08):
I see that a lot in entrepreneurs, cause it's often
it's oftentimes chaos thatbreeds innovation and that's
where you get a lot of reallygood entrepreneurs.
But they are comfortable inthat world of chaos and they're
not able to necessarily breakout and say, okay, what got me
here was this innovation, thishaving to overcome whatever this
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chaos, this craziness is, butnow I need systems and that
transition that that shift, uhis where I see a lot of
entrepreneurs go wrong isbecause they are essentially
resisting some of that sort oflike structure, because it's not
comfortable to them or it's youknow, and they might have to
ask for help to get it in.
Jim Huntzicker (32:49):
A lot of guys, especially if they made, they'd
made some, you know, and theymight have to ask for help to
get it.
And a lot of guys, especiallyif they made, they made some,
you know, they started thisbusiness from scratch, they did,
they did well.
And now, all of a sudden, whatI'm going to go listen to
somebody else Like, I have totake orders, I have to, I have
to ask for help and let somebodylike, like, and they can't do
that because that's a you knowwell, we are taught.
Going back to the beginning of,like, world War.
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I, like men, were taught to nothave emotion because men with
emotion don't kill people, right, so that still carries forward
today.
Right, like, why are men likeyou?
Men don't cry, right, like,well, why is that?
Like, why men can't bevulnerable?
Why is that?
Well, because we were taughtthat from a very early age,
because they were makingsoldiers, right, so we don't
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have to worry about that so muchanymore.
Right, there's no draft,they're not making everybody a
soldier, but that mindset isstuck with.
And because this is how thethis is why there's no judgment
and there's no blame anywhere,because your parents and their
parents and their parents wereall doing the best they could
with the cards.
They were dealt right Becausetheir parents taught them.
So if they never did this kindof work the kind of work I teach
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you know on mindset and youknow and how to deal with
beliefs and how to changebeliefs if they've never done
that work especially theresentment side of it then
they're just carrying it andthey're giving it and they're
giving it and they're giving it,and there's no blame.
They're not doing anythingwrong.
They're doing the best they canwith the cards they were dealt.
So, like, a lot of people don'twant to deal with resentments to
their parents as an adult Causelike, well, I love my mom, I
love my dad, they're my bestfriend today and it's.
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It's not about not loving themtoday.
But if you go back to when youwere five and you're like that
mother, like you got, you havesome resentment there, well then
you have to let it go and it'snot about dealing with the other
person.
This is all inside you and sothat's like, like you know, most
people are afraid to deal withresentment because they're like,
they think they have toconfront the person, or or they
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think it's they're they'reconfronting it in their own
minds to bring up an emotion andit is.
And you have to process thatemotion because if you don't,
you're never going to get rid ofit.
Right, you don't have toprocess it for days, like you've
already been processing it foryears, right, years.
Well, you've been avoiding it,so it's been growing right, but
all you have to do you sit withit Like this is the resentment
framework.
I'll give you this as the lastframework.
We're going to be wrappingthings up here soon.
(35:00):
But in order to get rid ofresentment, once you figure out
what it is which is not hard,where you go, primal, you say
I'm not, you know.
When you think back and you'relike you know, they wronged me,
like that there's a resentmentthere.
So you got to name theresentment like, literally write
it out on a piece of paper.
My mom, my teacher said this.
My so-and-so said that,whatever, it is right.
And then you got to feel it.
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You got to sit there, closeyour eyes, go back to that time
in your visualized and cry aboutit.
Like you know you don't have to, but if you do, that's really
good.
That's you processing the pain.
You never you haven't done thatyet.
So once you process the pain,like do it for three minutes, do
it for five minutes, like stop,cause, cause, then what you do
is you say, okay, all right, Ifelt this pain, this sucked,
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that, that really sucked.
But is there, is there a costto keeping it?
Or is there any benefit tokeeping this and holding onto
this resentment?
And of course, it's going to beno, right.
And so then this is the mostpowerful part Give it a new
meaning.
Because why would we giveanything a meaning in our lives?
Like Jay, we do this, all of usdo this every day.
Why do we give anything ameaning that doesn't serve us?
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Like, think about that, it'sthe craziest thing.
Like we assign meaning to stuffall the time that bring us down
, that make us sad, that make usunhappy, that make us not as
productive, that make us not asbeneficial to other people, not
as good in our marriage, not asgood to our kids.
Why in the world do we do that?
It's because we're wired forsurvival, right, so we know why.
But here's the thing you don'thave to let that be.
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You could always assign a newmeaning to things.
If you go by default, yourdefault is going to assign a
meaning that doesn't serve you.
That's just the way we're wired.
That's our human nature.
That's us running fromsaber-toothed tigers.
That's like caveman programming, but we still have the same
minds as cavemen.
So crazy, but it's true.
And so now you're left with the.
(36:48):
Where's I going with that?
The?
I lost my train of thought.
Jay Johnson (36:57):
It's the meaning that ultimately ends up yeah, it
ends up giving us the contextof how we perceive something,
because it's the same thing thatyou said earlier is we can take
something like I stubbed my toeand go, oh gosh, that's the
worst thing ever.
Oh, I've hurt myself and Ican't believe this rather,
stubbed my toe and go, oh gosh,that's the worst thing ever.
Oh, I've hurt myself and Ican't believe this.
Rather than the meaning of wow,I was able to walk, which is a
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value proposition.
Oh, I still have feeling in mytoe.
Jim Huntzicker (37:23):
Oh, I have toes.
How about?
I'm grateful, I have toes stillright.
Like this reminded me that Istill have toes that work, and
if I kick things it hurts, somaybe I should pay better
attention when I'm walkingaround what's at the ground.
But but just that alone, justthat, just that gratitude alone,
and so like, like so.
So the you know people thathave desires, like, like so.
So if you have a desire and youdon't have it yet and you're
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not grateful for what you have,no matter what it is and when I
say grateful for what you have,I mean everything, all the
terrible stuff that's happenedto you, all the good stuff,
whatever you have in your life,your current bank account,
whatever it looks like right now, if you can't find gratitude
for that, like for today, forbeing alive today, If you're
hearing this, you're taking abreath, and that is something
(38:08):
for you to be grateful for.
Well, right, and you haveabundance because you're
listening to this on anelectronic device that probably
costs a thousand dollars, right,like that's what most people
have in their hands these days,and so you should.
There should be a ton ofgratitude, but but so, like my,
the first thing I do every dayafter I take a cold shower is I
have a gratitude journal.
Jay Johnson (38:30):
And I'm a cold plunge person too.
Jim Huntzicker (38:31):
I love it.
Yeah, all right, it'sincredible, I don't.
I do a shower, because that waynobody has excuses.
Because it's like, okay, if Ihave a cold place, you're like,
well, you have a cold plunge.
Like like I don't have that, soI can't do it.
I'm like, okay, well, coldshowers are harder.
Yeah, yeah, well, I don't get.
By the way, I don't jump incold.
I'm not a psychopath.
Like warm, you know, likejumping into a cold shower is
impossible.
So if that was your excuse,you're right, that is very
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difficult to do.
If you can do it, more power toyou.
But I put it lukewarm, I get inand then I turn it as cold as I
can and I sit there for aminute and I just eat it.
And it's because one it teachesyour subconscious that you can
handle uncomfortable things,because in order to grow in life
, you need to do things that areuncomfortable and you start
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your day off doing somethinguncomfortable.
Well then, the inevitableuncomfortable things that come
with growth during your day aregoing to seem a lot easier and
you're going to automatically gothrough them instead of shy
away from them.
So it's extremely, extremelypowerful.
But the gratitude, but thefirst thing I write is for me.
I write, dear father, thank youfor.
And I write today because we'renot guaranteed today, right.
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But then the second thing Iwrite that I'm grateful for is a
negative event that's happenedto me recently that good came
out of.
So that way I'm conscious oflooking for good in everything.
Every day I write a negativeevent that good came out of.
Even for us there was a ton ofmy family.
A ton of good stuff came out ofCOVID, like several good things
(39:54):
, and so while that was a shittytime in history, for my family
it was really good, and if youlook at your family, there's
probably a lot of good too.
Sometimes you got to dig for it.
I didn't have to.
I was like this is incredible,know this?
This was a.
You know this sucked, but formy family it didn't, because so
much good came from it.
And then I, you know I write I'mgrateful for my family.
You know my dog, uh, my house,my cars, clothes, you know like,
(40:18):
like and and so.
But the negative event changesyour mindset, the way you view
things, because then you evenlike, when a guy cuts you off,
like who cares?
Like, like he doesn't know you.
It's not against you.
He would have cut anybody offif he watched that guy drive.
He's gonna cut four more peopleoff.
It had nothing to do with you.
But why do you let that boilyour you know, boil your blood
(40:38):
so much and get you so mad likeyou gave all your power?
Jay Johnson (40:41):
to your heart attack yeah, that doesn't that
doesn't bad.
Driving should not be the causeof your heart attack.
Jim Huntzicker (40:47):
No, but, but so many people do.
And now somebody you know like,like, I used to be like that.
And now somebody cuts me off,like oh, they're probably having
a bad day.
I'm not and I'm not gonna letthem ruin mine.
Right, like, so it's all howyou frame it Like, so, so, so
the the uh back to the uhframework to let go of
resentments.
We are on giving it a newmeaning.
You could always assign ameeting that serves you always.
(41:10):
It's a choice not to.
And the last thing is is let itgo right.
So.
So that was the five steps.
You know it was name it, feelit, cost benefit analysis,
reframe it, give it a newmeaning and let it go.
And I literally like, when I waslike learning this stuff, like
okay, I gotta let it go.
Like, how do I like?
How do I like, what do I do tolet it?
You know, like, something, like, and so I like this is I still
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do this today because every dayI go primal.
I'm not like some superherothat doesn't go.
Every day I go primal, but Idon't live there if I get mad,
upset, angry, stressed, 30seconds, maybe 90, 90, if it's
something huge and I'm out, I'mdone.
I'm like, okay, let's reframethis, I'm not gonna let it
affect me anymore.
But I literally go like this.
I like I take a deep breath in,I wave my hands past my head,
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gone, and I don't feel itanymore.
Like so for me, like thisaction, like I thought I would
like at first, like I won't dothis forever.
But to me, like whenever Iprocess it, like I'm processing
a resentment, a new resentmentthat comes up, like you don't
get, this is not work.
There's no finish line withthis work, by the way.
It's just, it's a way of beingright, it's a way of dealing
with life, because life is noteasy if you haven't noticed
(42:16):
right, and so it doesn't get anyeasier.
This work helps you process thesuck right.
There's really good parts andthat you process just fine.
But the suck, which is a lot ofwhat life can be if you don't
process it the right way andgive it good meanings.
This work helps you processthose parts of life.
And so now something comes up.
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I just like I'll sit in my caror sit in wherever.
I'm like all right, and that'sthe good stuff too.
When something awesome happens,I'm like rock and roll, that
was fantastic.
I just look, I smile thinkingabout it, right Because it's so
good, but I don't want to holdon to it.
Right, because I know that untilI learned that, which wasn't
but five years ago during COVID,I read one of Michael's books,
(42:58):
um and um, uh, that is where Ilearned to process the cause,
cause I was like I was holdingon to everything, right, and so
I had all kinds of I was a mess,right, and I'm still sorting
out pieces because, like youknow, like my mom, god love her,
she's fantastic, but she'sextremely judgmental, very
opinionated and doesn't stoptalking about it.
So when my parents werefighting, when my dad was gone,
(43:20):
as a kid, I had my mom in my earand she is just nonstop.
When she's talking to people onthe phone to like, so she just
says whatever.
And so that's why my moneyissues were so deeply ingrained
as, like my core limiting beliefand the tide of these
resentments Cause my ma.
I had all this resentment forher because I knew that she's
(43:40):
the one that planted all thisstuff.
And so, while like, I'm like,okay, I'm gonna make a new
decision, make a new decision,but nothing changed, nothing
changed, nothing changed, andI'm like, no, this shit doesn't
work.
You know, I got this.
I got the surface level onesare easy, and I was, I was, I
was bad, right, and then I foundresentments and I was like, oh,
what's this Like all right.
So I had to dig deep intoresentments and, like I'd
(44:02):
studied the you know, thebehavioral, psychology side of
resentments, and once I realizedhow, how, like, like, like I
read, you know, like you know,eating poison, expecting the
other person to die, I read thatI was like that.
That was the one phrase thatchanged everything for me,
because it was like, yeah, I'mnot forgiving, she did this to
(44:23):
me, you know, and but but whenyou really think about it, like,
does that mean serving you?
Is it providing good in yourlife to keep that resentment,
hold on to it and be negativeall the time?
Probably not Right.
Jay Johnson (44:36):
And so it's a process.
It's probably not changing anybehaviors.
Jim Huntzicker (44:40):
No one really.
Jay Johnson (44:41):
which is really that?
You know it's not changingtheir behavior, it's not
changing your behavior.
The only way to change that isto really kind of do that
internal work.
Jim Huntzicker (44:50):
Yeah, and if you've never done the work,
guess what?
It's still in you and you haveto do it or you're going to die
with it.
And some, and most people dolike like, you know, like, if
you look at, look at, ask ChadGPT, how many people are
financially broke at 70?
It's crazy.
It's because they never dealtwith those beliefs from growing
up, because most people do growup in scarcity and poverty or
(45:12):
not with a lot of money, and thereason they stay there is
because they never changed thebelief system and so they live
check to check, or they haveinvestments that they make that
aren't good, that money getstaken away and so anything extra
they don't have by the timethey're 65 or 70, they got
nothing.
That's most people, right,because they never do this work.
So if you're listening to this,just be fortunate that you're
(45:33):
becoming aware that this workeven exists, cause I, it still
blows my mind that I talk topeople about limiting beliefs
and they're like, yeah, I'veheard about that, or you know
I'll say resentments and like,well, you know they don't like,
they don't get it, and I canappreciate it because you know,
eight years ago I didn't either,and so it is just it's a, this
(45:54):
is just a way of being and it'sa way of dealing with, you know,
life's problems.
And here's the best part is,once you figure this out, like
nothing bothers you anymore,like like the stuff that sucks
is like all right, let's give ita good meeting, move on like
that.
I don't like that.
I didn't, or I made thismistake.
Like I wish I didn't make thatmistake, but I did learn this
lesson.
Here's what I learned from it,here's the value that came from
it and here's how I can operatein moving forward, move on right
(46:14):
Because, like if you're havingstress or anxiety all the time
and you're taking drugs for itwhich is nonsense, by the way
but if you're having stress oranxiety, it's because you know
where you're not living.
You're not living in thepresent moment, You're living in
the future, which is where youranxiety comes from, or you're
thinking about the past, whichis where your stress comes from,
and so they can change too, butusually anxiety is about the
(46:38):
future, stress is about the past.
But if you just focus on thepresent moment and being the
best version of yourself today,right now, in this moment, and
be present for the people infront of you, everything changes
.
Gratitude and presence willchange your life.
Jay Johnson (46:50):
Such a great call to action.
Jim, if the audience wanted toget in touch with you, how would
they connect with you?
Jim Huntzicker (46:55):
My book is available on Amazon Mindset
Breakthrough.
You can just search it.
You can go tomindsetbreakthroughcom also to
get the book and my website.
I'm not on social media verymuch.
You shouldn't be either, unlessyou're using social media to
make money.
Maybe 20 minutes because,because part of your fear,
stress, anxiety, fear, missingout, comparison, all the stuff
that's causing issues in yourlife, it could be from social
(47:16):
media alone.
So so just know that your hoursof scrolling a day are messing
with your mindset in ways you wenever even experienced 10 years
ago, 20 years ago.
There was other ways.
Back then, this is, uh, this islike messing with your, your
emotions on steroids and andthey have it you addicted to it
too.
Right, like they.
they know the algorithm yeah,well, they use, they use, they
(47:37):
use casino um slot machinetechnology.
It's the same thing, you know,because that's how they keep you
going triggering thatdopaminergic system?
Jay Johnson (47:45):
yep 100.
Jim Huntzicker (47:45):
So my website's jimhuntskercom.
It's just my, my name.
It'll be in the show notes, um,but you can go there and get
ahold of me.
I do have social media, like.
You can find me on LinkedIn,you can find me on Instagram,
but I don't log onto them.
So if you want to send me amessage, go to my website.
Uh, because I's not on socialmedia much easier, so she's not
(48:08):
very good, but because socialmedia is not where there's
nothing good on social media,like, I'm using it now more to
get you know, to get to myaudience, cause this is a newer
business for me.
I started about a year agogetting it off the ground and so
so this is still newer and soI'm growing my audience.
(48:29):
I've never been a social mediaperson.
Jay Johnson (48:31):
That could literally be its own show.
Let me tell you Now, jim, thishas been an incredible
conversation.
I really appreciate youbringing these tools like
actionable tools that are goingto help shift some behavior.
So I just want to say thank youfor being here and sharing your
wisdom, your experience andyour story with everybody that
is listening here today.
So thank you for that.
Jim Huntzicker (48:51):
Yeah, benji, thanks for having me.
This was a great, greatconversation.
Jay Johnson (48:54):
And thank you, audience, for tuning into this
episode of the Talent Forge,where together we're shaping
workforce behavior.
Welcome to this episode of the Talent Forge,
where together we are shapingworkforce behaviors.
I'm really excited.
Today we've got a special guest, Jim Huntzicker.
Welcome to the show, Jim.
Jim Huntzicker (00:13):
Jay, thanks for having me Looking forward to it.
Jay Johnson (00:18):
So, jim, mindset is one of the things that can hold
us back.
It can propel us forward.
There's a lot going on in thatspace.
You've written a book MindsetBreakthrough.
I'd love to just dig right intothat.
What is mindset, how can wedefine it, what does it mean?
And you know, why should wecare?
Jim Huntzicker (00:37):
Well, mindset, you know from, if we look at it
from a neuroscience perspective,which is, like you know, all
the technology we have now isgreat and sometimes it's bad,
but sometimes it's really good,right, and, and like
neuroscience, it tells us we'rewe're only seeing about 12% of
reality, right, like, like,literally, we have a filter on.
It's like an 88% filteredreality, and what's it?
What it's filtering out is isis everything around you that
(00:57):
doesn't meet your subconsciousfilters, the stuff that you
decided to believe Most of thetime.
You decided to believe most ofthe time you decided to believe
before you were eight years old.
Right, like, you decided tobelieve something when you were
five and you still have an adultbrain trying to prove that
right today, even if you don'tbelieve it anymore.
Like, a quick example of thatwe all know somebody who drinks
too much and they say they wantto quit drinking right, but then
they never do.
(01:18):
Right, like they say I'm goingto quit, this is going to be my
last weekend, and then theystill drink the weekend, and
it's because consciously theywant to quit, but subconsciously
they haven't changed theprogram yet.
And that's the subconscious iswhat runs the show.
And so when we talk aboutmindset, we really have to look
at the programming that we haveand the ruts that we have in our
mind that are creating thefilters that we see life through
(01:40):
, because once you see thingsdifferently, you can make a
decision to believe somethingnew.
And once you see thingsdifferently, you can make a
decision to believe somethingnew.
And once you do that, youliterally you see differently,
like and when I say you seedifferently, it is like this
epiphany, it is the best thingthat will ever happen to you,
because everything right nowyou're seeing like, if you go, I
teach, powerful and primalstates of being.
You know, powerful is when youfeel really good, you're clear,
(02:03):
resourceful, energetic.
And primal is when you feel badfear, anxiety, stress, and so,
real quick, people are alwayslike well, how do I find these
beliefs that are negative, thatare bad, that are hurting me,
right there.
Primal Every time you go.
Primal, start thinking aboutyour thoughts.
Every time you get stressed,fear, anxiety, those are
automatic.
Right, you start payingattention to your thoughts.
(02:25):
What are you thinking?
Right then, write them down,because that is where your
limiting beliefs are buried,that's where what's messing with
your life the most is buried inthose belief systems.
And, for example, if you have adesire for something and you
don't have it right, like youwant to get somewhere
financially or in your love lifeor whatever it is, doesn't
matter, you have a desire.
If you're not there, the onlyreason you're not is because you
(02:49):
have something stored in yoursubconscious that's stopping you
from getting there.
It's resistance, we call it.
There's four levels ofresistance, we'll get into that
in a minute.
But but this all packs intomindset.
So so when you say mindset, ityou really got to look at, go a
little deeper, because themindset is created from the
beliefs we have.
And the beliefs we have, mostof them started before we were
eight years old, and they were.
They were set in motion by the,by our primary influences,
(03:12):
usually our parents, andsometimes that could be a fight.
We overheard them, you know, orsomething wasn't even directly
at us and we decided oh, money'sbad, money causes problems.
Or I'm not smart because youhear your parents praising your
brother or sister for theirhomework because they got
straight A's and you don't getstraight A's, and so, even
though they weren't talkingdirectly to you, you assign
(03:32):
meaning that you're not smart.
Right, and so now you gothrough life thinking you're not
smart because you assign thatmeaning when you were five, like
it's crazy.
Like we have five year olds, sowe're still.
We have these five-old brainsthat made this decision and now
we're adults and we're stillgoing with these same decisions.
Is neuroscience, psychology andcommunication?
Jay Johnson (04:05):
And I love what you're saying because it is the
formative years oftentimes thatends up carrying with us and it
manifests in a number ofdifferent ways.
So you know, I remember and I'mgoing to share one with you.
This is one that maybe theaudience hasn't heard yet, but
we've talked a lot about, likethe conscious and the
unconscious mind, some of thework from Dr Alan Langer, et
(04:26):
cetera.
But when I was in probablysecond grade, jim, I had a
teacher who told me well, jay,math is probably not your thing.
Jim Huntzicker (04:36):
This is such a typical story, man it's crazy
and no joke.
Jay Johnson (04:39):
It carried with me through my entire life.
I deferred graduating fromcollege for two full years
because I was afraid to take themath proficiency examination.
Okay, so my behavior clearlyshifted over the course and I
just thought I was bad at math.
Now I do computationalprobabilistic decision modeling,
(05:01):
I do linear programming, I domethodological research, science
.
Clearly, I'm not bad at mathand I ended up, when I ended up,
finally getting the courage totake it, I passed four levels
above where I needed to pass inorder to get through this, which
is ridiculous, but it was amindset listening is so.
Jim Huntzicker (05:24):
So look at that, because of that teacher, like,
let's find the good, right,because if you're looking for
bad, you'll find that, but ifyou're looking for good, you'll
always find that too.
And because that teacher saidthat you studied that much
harder.
And now, two years later, okay,so it set you back a couple
years, but that was also meantto be whatever.
It's a story for another time.
But but then you, you, becauseof that, you were four levels
higher.
So you, actually you.
And if without that teacher,you might've just been
(05:45):
equivalent, maybe even less.
Jay Johnson (05:47):
Yeah Well, and the funny thing is is it was 60
credit hours extra ofcommunication and psychology
courses, so it really did set meup for success in the long term
.
I don't regret that, but I dofind it kind of funny is that I
was holding onto a belief that Iwas not good at something, when
it was literally an engineerthat pointed out like you're
doing pretty advancedmathematics with.
(06:08):
You know some of the differentthings that you're doing.
Have you considered the factthat maybe you're better at this
than you think?
And it was so funny because itwas that moment that really kind
of shifted like wait a second,yeah, I am doing a lot of
different things.
Now I am still.
I was very good at appliedmathematics.
I wasn't always good at whenthey started adding in a bunch
of letters and everything else.
(06:29):
But let's talk about this sortof mindset.
How do we we all have somethingthat we're carrying from some
point in time.
You know, from hearing thatargument from somebody saying
something, it could have been anoffword comment.
It took me a long time toobviously overcome that.
You've talked about somedifferent ways in which we can
sort of come to fruition withthose different limiting beliefs
(06:52):
that we have in a much fasterway.
Let's talk about that, jim.
What are your thoughts?
Jim Huntzicker (06:56):
All right.
So I just explained.
You know already how to findthem right.
These are the surface levelones and we'll get into your
core limiting belief and that'sthe one that really messes with
your life the most and it startsto rear its ugly head usually
between the ages of 35 and 55.
So pay attention for that,because we'll get to that in a
minute, because that's the onethat's really screwing with your
life.
But the surface level limitingbeliefs, the ones like your
teacher said an offhand commentand you carry with it until you
(07:17):
were in college, like yours, forexample.
Now, now, that's a surface levellimiting belief.
While you carried it with youit did alter the way you handled
your life.
It's still on surface level andwe can get rid of those pretty
easily.
Like yours was one comment froman engineer that said hey, dude
, what you're doing is actuallyreally advanced.
Like I think you're being alittle hard on yourself.
It just took one person for youto be like oh, you're right,
(07:41):
that's a decision that was madeand maybe you tied it back at
that moment to that teacher,maybe you didn't, but either way
, you made a decision then tobelieve something new.
So that old decision you madein second grade had finally
changed when you were you knowwhatever you're 22, 23 years old
at that point and so you made adecision to believe something
new, and so anybody could dothat.
So there's a real easyframework I'm going to give you.
You can just do it on a pieceof paper.
(08:02):
You don't need to buy anything,you don't need to download
anything.
I call it the decision director.
You take a sheet of paper andyou draw two lines to create
three columns.
So just draw two lines down,create three columns.
In the column on the left, youtitle it limiting beliefs, your
existing limiting belief, right,something that you've
discovered that's holding youback.
Jay Johnson (08:20):
I'm not good at, I don't like, I am stuck, I
whatever those I am not.
Jim Huntzicker (08:27):
If you ever say why, why we're on this, why, if
you ever say I am not, it isit's, those are not just just
neutral comments, those arecommands to your self-conscious
that makes that stuff true.
So if you're not good atreading, if you're not good at
math, if you're not good withmoney, that's not what you say,
not even in your head.
You say I'm working on gettingbetter at this, because it's not
(08:47):
a strength of mine right now.
I'm working on getting better.
Right, it's a mindset shift.
It's how you view it.
It's how your subconsciousviews it.
But if you say I'm not good atreading, your subconscious says
oh okay, I'll make sure that'strue and it'll but, if you say
you are good, it'll find ways,it'll look for opportunity, just
like when people say I don'thave time to work out, I don't
have time to work out, I don'thave time to work out.
(09:08):
Well, they don't seeopportunities like taking the
stairs.
Just to go on four flights ofstairs is an opportunity to burn
some calories.
Or parking the car in the backof the parking lot and walking
an extra 50 steps each way.
Jay Johnson (09:18):
Right, I just the two percent rule, the 2% rule,
and I forget the author, but hetalks about it.
It's literally 2% of thepopulation, is the only part of
the population that actuallytakes the stairs and they've
done a couple of differentstudies, but it's the 2%.
In his world is make your lifeharder.
Take that back, build the microresilience, et cetera.
(09:41):
And he's a neuroscientist andI'll come up with his name
eventually.
Yeah, I know who you're talkingabout.
Jim Huntzicker (09:46):
I thought I had the book, but I don't.
I think I have an audible, Ithink I got it in my audible and
I don't have it in print yet.
But okay, so so all right.
So back to the decisiondirector.
So we got two lines of thepiece paper that on the left
column, or three columns.
Left column is the, the oldlimiting belief.
And again, how you find thoseis anytime you go primal, right,
like what Jay said.
Also, like when you tell your Iam not, I'm not good Like
(10:09):
things that you say I am, thoseare beliefs you have, whether
they're good or bad, right.
And so if you say I amsomething, that's not positive,
that's a limiting belief.
And so the middle column is thenew empowered decision.
So let's just say you thinkyou're bad with money, I'm not
good with money, right, andthat's your thing.
And you could have a lot ofmoney, by the way, and still be
(10:30):
bad with money.
Like I have a friend I grew upwith who's done very well, he's
worth over $100 million, and wewere talking like not that long
ago, because I was studyingfinance, and he's like dude,
what are you doing?
I'm like I never learned aboutmoney growing up I didn't go to
college.
My dad didn't teach me no, theydon't teach you in school.
Nobody taught me about money.
Like I realized I didn't have.
Like my financial literacy wassuper low.
(10:51):
And here's this guy worth likea hundred million dollars and
he's like dude, he goes.
I don't know anything aboutmoney either.
I'm like well, you betterfucking start learning before
you lose it all Cause cause youdon't get your financial
literacy up.
People lose $100 million.
People lose $300 million, right, look?
Jay Johnson (11:05):
at professional athletes All the time.
So that goes back to yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (11:10):
It's crazy.
That goes back to being likethey're never comfortable with
money.
They were comfortable beingpoor.
They got all this money at once.
As soon as the money is notregularly coming in, they find
ways to give it away.
Some gamble it away, someinvest in stupid businesses, and
then all of a sudden they'rebroke because that's actually
where they're comfortable,because subconsciously, they
never got used to the money.
They had zero financialliteracy and they never got
comfortable with money.
(11:31):
What they were comfortable withis being in credit card debt
and broke because that's the waythey were their whole life
prior to making big money whenthey were 18.
So it's crazy that that is howtheir subconscious beliefs bring
them back and so we're dealing.
That's a core limiting beliefthat makes people go broke when
they're that wealthy.
Because why would you be doingyou know financial literacy?
That just seems to make sensewhen you have, you know, making
(11:51):
tens of millions of dollars ayear, but not everybody, but
anyway.
So the middle column we're backto the evidence of the new
empowered decision.
So you got that limiting belief, new empowered decision, and it
could just be the opposite,mind you Like.
So just don't overthink thisright now.
It could change and you couldadd to this, but if I'm not good
(12:11):
with money, I am good withmoney.
And then the column on theright is is you find evidence of
that Cause?
If you're looking for evidenceof good, you'll find it
everywhere, even little, evenlittle micro examples of that
're good with money, that youcan save money, or that you know
that you make money every week,or however it is.
You could find that, ok, I'mactually, you know, I'm not bad
with money, but I do need tolearn more, right and so so find
(12:33):
examples, and that helpsprogram your self-conscious,
your subconscious, that that youare actually good.
Because look at these examplesthat, even finding money on the
street like I find money layingaround all the time, like who
doesn't find a penny, like Ipick up pennies all the time,
like why wouldn't you?
Because, also, if you, if youtake one penny, by the way, and
you double it every day, sotoday, be one, then two, then
four, then eight, and do thatfor 30 days you'll be mind blown
(12:55):
how many, how many penniesthere are at day 30, doubling it
, starting with one on day one,two, four, eight, sixteen,
thirty two by the time you getto 30, the number's like 11
million or 10 million.
I think it's crazy how fast itstarts counting when you get to
like 20, 21.
But anyway, so that decisiondirector, you go through that
with any limiting belief thatcomes up.
(13:16):
Anytime you go primal, anytimeyou tell yourself I'm not good
at, I'm not that, anythingthat's not positive, you have a
belief buried there.
Anything that's not positive,you have a belief buried there.
And so so, like I, part of mymy story is that I walked away
from six profitable businesses,Like, literally, they were
profitable.
Nothing went.
Nothing went wrong.
It wasn't like they had adownturn and I had to go.
I just stopped, Like I I was areal estate agent in the top 1%.
(13:43):
I just stopped.
I was flipping houses.
I was doing about 50, 60 a year, doing really well.
I just stopped.
I created an online infoproduct for real estate
investors.
It taught them how to use theMLS to find deals to flip.
I sold 800 of them.
It was a thousand dollarproduct.
I just stopped.
And I can go on and on and tellyou more.
But the point is, in the seventhbusiness, I was profitable
until it wasn't, and then at theend to me, it was God saying
hey, let me just grab all ofthis money you had, Because the
(14:05):
first six businesses you walkaway from you didn't get it, so
now I need to get your attentionhere.
And he got it.
Because then I looked back andI was like what did I just do?
Why would I walk away?
Because I could have soldbusinesses, I could have sold
lists.
But what I finally realized Ihad to go on a soul-searching
journey of a couple years.
I didn't know it was going tobe a couple years, but on a
couple-year journey to figureout, like why would I do that?
(14:26):
Like what was I doing there?
Because I've been married 20years, I got two kids, and so
why would I be walking away frommoney?
Well, my upbringing was moneycauses conflict.
We were really poor growing up.
Until we were about five wewere homeless.
At four we had to move in withmy grandparents Like we weren't
(14:47):
on the street, but we didn'thave our own house anymore and
my parents drank a lot prior tothat and we were very, very poor
.
And so we lost a couple ofhouses the last one, we didn't
have enough money to get anotherone.
Then my dad quit drinking.
He went from driving limos andlaying concrete to, by the time
we were 10, he owned multiplegas stations and a real estate
office.
But the fighting never stopped.
So my parents went fromfighting about having no money
to fighting about the.
Now the money's the problem.
And then, of course, they gotdivorced when I was 12.
So so to me and my brother weboth we both have, we had major
(15:11):
issues that money causesconflict, money causes problems.
And so what was I doing withthose businesses?
Well, I love my wife, I hadkids.
So I was just likesubconsciously this was not
conscious, but I realized whatit was.
I was running for business.
I was running from the moneybecause I thought I was going to
start fighting with my wife,who I love to death and I don't
fight with, and I thought I wasgoing to break up my family and
get divorced.
That was my subconscious belief, because that's what I believed
(15:33):
when I was seven.
You saw it, that was what youexperienced, my experience.
It was real life for me and sothat's easy to make that.
So so, when you look at thegood even though I walked away
from all those businesses thatso much good came from it and
one of the good things ismoney's easy to make and if you
just heard me say that andyou're like you have to work
(15:54):
hard for money, you have alimiting belief buried there
that tells you that cause it'snot true, Right?
So so some people learn fromtheir parents because their
parents, and from their parentsbecause their parents.
And, by the way, there's noblame here, there's no judgment.
Everybody your parents, theirparents, the parents who are is
doing the best they can with thecards.
Jay Johnson (16:11):
They were dealt Right.
Yeah, I'm really glad youbrought that up, because I do
think that a lot of times it isthat shame, it's the guilt, it's
the the sort of like resentmentthat's underlying that ends up
stopping us from even looking atthese beliefs and like, well, I
, you know, I, I, I guess youknow I, I should be thankful for
X, y and Z?
Yep, you should.
(16:32):
But at the same time you canalso look at this and say, hey,
this is a belief system that'skind of embedded itself that I
it's no longer serving me.
You inherited it.
Jim Huntzicker (16:40):
Like you were.
You were, you didn't decide iton your own, somebody else
decided for you and you're likeoh well, that's my primary
influence and so obviously thisis the way it is.
Like you don't have any likewhen you, before you're eight
years old, your brain's in theta, which is just you don't have
any deductive reasoning, youjust take everything as truth,
especially from the people whoinfluence you most, like your
parents.
So that's why, even hearingfights like I heard crazy fights
(17:01):
.
There was no abuse, but therewas just screaming and yelling
about money, and my room wasnext to theirs and so all I
heard was these fights aboutmoney and money and money, and
so money was just bad, and sothat was my core limiting belief
.
But here's the thing your corelimiting belief, which is kind
of like a marriage or yourparents, if that's who raised
you.
But whoever your primaryinfluences are, you're going to
(17:23):
have your core limiting belieffrom them.
And if your parents raised you,it's going to be kind of half
your mom's, half your dad's.
And the surface level ones thedecision director can get rid of
those, no problem.
But the core ones, so those areanchored by resentment, and so
that was something I did noteven like I had to go on this
journey and figure out and causeI'm like, all right, I'm aware
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of this belief and I'm aware ofwhy now, but I couldn't seem to
shake it Right.
Like I couldn't seem to get thebelief.
Cause I'd say, you know, causeI used to see, like for me, if
it was even seeing cars likeRange Rovers in my neighborhood
or Rolls Royce, and I wouldautomatically be like rich
asshole, like automatically, youknow, like all the rich people
I've met in my life, most ofthem, like 99%, are incredibly
gracious, generous people, right, like so why would I
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automatically go to rich jerkwhen I see a nice car?
And so now I switched it to Isee a nice car and automatically
it's like look at all theabundance in the world.
Because I made a new decision.
But the reason for that isgrowing up poor.
A lot of people.
All the access they had to richpeople was TV and if you watch
a lot of the shows, like I'm 47.
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So, like a lot of shows fromgrowing up, like you know,
gilligan's Island, mash, I canname, you know, because it's
still the same today.
By the way, the people yourelated to were the poor people
living in scarcity Like couldbarely.
You know they drank a lot.
They live check to check they,you know, sometimes like they
bought food, that um with that,with the last money they had, or
they had to borrow just forthat.
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But those are the people thatwere funny and you loved, you
related to, and the people thatyou didn't like, the people that
were the jerks and the villainsof the shows, were the wealthy
people.
So so it wasn't.
Jay Johnson (18:57):
You know it's subtle like the simpsons.
Jim Huntzicker (18:58):
The montgomery burns and a hundred percent, yes
, like that's so.
So because of that, yeah, butthat that there's, they're
making a joke of it, right,cause it's a Simpsons, which
that show is incredible by, like, just their longevity and the.
It's just incredible, that show.
I don't watch it anymore.
I did for years.
But that show is incredible.
But there you go.
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That's a perfect example, causethey're, they're, they're, you
know, um, exaggerating the, youknow the, but that's not.
But that's not an exaggeration.
There is really people likethat.
And so, because there's the fewthat if you don't have any
other access to wealthy peopleand all you see on TV is Mr
Burns types, well then you'regoing to say rich people are
jerks, and then you're not goingto let yourself be a rich jerk.
So, subconsciously, if youbelieve rich people are jerks,
you're not going to let yourselfbecome a rich jerk.
So, subconsciously, if youbelieve rich people are jerks,
you're not going to let yourselfbecome a rich jerk.
So so you're going to like,you're going to find ways to get
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rid of your money.
That's why people, even peoplethat are worth 30, 40 million,
like let's just not say, sportsguys that are worth 300, people
that do really well in business30, $40 million that they, that
they have a net worth and theygo bankrupt.
Why?
Because they were nevercomfortable with the money.
Like they were smart enough,they obviously had the business
savvy, they had education to getthem there and to figure out
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how to make the money.
But how did they lose that?
They weren't comfortable withit right, so subconsciously,
they were never comfortable.
Jay Johnson (20:16):
I want to dig into something here, jim, because I
think it's really important.
I love this concept ofresentment and I actually do a
lot of work around resentment.
I'd love to hear from you, youknow, as you're working with
somebody or as you're coachingthem, when we look at something
like money, it's very easy to gooh, you know that jerk in the
Rolls Royce, right Like that.
Okay, I can see where thatresentment kind of lines.
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When we look at something, say,whether it's, you know, the
surface level, limiting belief,or if, if it's something that's
not money related, how can we asindividuals kind of identify
the resentment, because it'sbecome such an encoded aspect of
the way that we think, the waythat we feel and so on and so
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forth.
We may not even, becauseemotions are so funny they don't
always show up as what theyactually are.
Sometimes we look at it as oh,I'm not resentful and I'm not
jealous of that person that hasthis.
You know, that's the.
How do we pull that resentmentout?
What do we do to look for thatas the underlying sort of
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feeling that we might beexperiencing?
Jim Huntzicker (21:22):
The best and most glaring example is blame
right.
When you want to blame, like oh, they did this to me, well,
there's a resentment there,right.
Because you're going to say,well, my parents, this, my
parents, that this person, thisteacher did this right, and so
there's resentments there.
And it's when you go primal,usually you know, when you have
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anxiety and fear, you startpaying attention to those
thoughts Like that's why youwrite those down.
Because once you write themdown and start really getting
into the details of that likehere's another example Like when
I realized like I stoppedgetting mad at my kids several
years ago.
Like I don't get loud, I used toyell a lot because my dad
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yelled a lot.
Because his dad yelled a lot,right, and so I yelled a lot.
I didn't like that, I did and Iwould.
Just it's what I knew.
And then I realized something.
I had this epiphany one day Iforget why it even was, but I
was mad about something Likethis is the time my kids were
like nine I'm like, he's still akid, like I just didn't teach
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him this.
So my anger was really atmyself for not being a good
parent, like I haven't parentedproperly.
He's nine and so ever sincethen, like my kids don't have a
free pass, I'm stern, but Idon't get mad and I don't yell
because I just realized Iobviously haven't conveyed my
message well enough to them,where it sunk in as a, as a
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belief that they need and sothat that that mindset shift,
taking ownership in thatownership of it they need, and
so that mindset shift.
Jay Johnson (22:52):
Taking ownership in that space.
Taking ownership of it Right.
Jim Huntzicker (22:54):
Exactly.
And so when you do some deep,you know, when you look inside,
you truly look and you don'tpush it away you're also going
to find you have resentments toyourself, right, and so, while
your parents are the ones thatare probably going to tie your
core belief down until you letthat go, uh, you're going to
have issues in your life tillyou let yourself off the hook
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too and and like that's like, Ihave a, literally I have a, uh,
a self-resentment inventory anda and a others resentment, just
to get, because people like,well, I don't know if I mean
here, here's what you do Go togo to ChetGPT, right, like
everybody knows what that is now, and put in can you list, give
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me a list of resentments peoplehold against themselves?
Enter and it'll give you a list.
And can you give me a list,like, of resentments people hold
against parents?
You know against, you knowregarding love, money, whatever,
from growing up, from growingup, can you just get?
Just to get, I need some ideas,cause I know I have resentments
but I haven't figured them outyet.
Like it's a free resource.
It's going to give you anincredible amount of information
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there, and then you can be like, oh yeah, I got that, I got
that.
I got that.
Oh there, it is there, and nowyou can work.
You know, reverse engineer.
Okay, like how do I get rid ofthis to me?
Right, like like they're madabout it, but but the person
you're mad at doesn't careanymore.
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They're not even thinkingthey've moved on Right.
So, so, so you're just you're,you're.
Jay Johnson (24:21):
Holding out to resentments is like eating
poison or they're completelyunaware that they've created
this condition.
Yeah, for sure, For sure.
And even if they are, theydon't care right.
Jim Huntzicker (24:30):
They're not thinking about it like you are,
and so so holding out thatresentment is like eating poison
and expecting the other personto die.
The only person that hurts isyou.
So so you're not letting themgo, You're not letting go of
this resentment.
They're not letting them offthe hook, You're not apologizing
to them, You're not sayinganything to them.
You're just processing thisresentment internally to let it
go, so it doesn't eat you upinside anymore.
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It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
Like you can look at it likethis.
Like this is it?
This is it.
It's not about resentment, butclinging and resisting.
Right, Like this I got fromMichael.
Jay Johnson (25:04):
Singer.
If you know Michael Singer, hewrote the untethered soul and
surrender experiment.
Jim Huntzicker (25:06):
Michael Easter, that's the 2% person you just
said.
Jay Johnson (25:08):
Michael Easter, it just popped into my brain.
Sorry, michael Easter, I waslike Michael Easter, it just
popped into my brain, Sorry.
Jim Huntzicker (25:10):
So Michael Easter was a 2% guy, Michael
Singer is a surrender guy andhe's who I learned surrender
from, but this was probably oneof the most profound things I
learned from reading hismaterial.
Is that okay resisting?
We all know resisting it justgets bigger and bigger and like,
if you just deal with it,whatever the problem is, it's
going to be less than you thinkand it's going to be easier to
process.
When you deal with it right now, when you push it away, it just
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gets bigger and bigger andbigger, and some of you have
been pushing stuff away for 30and 40 years.
So you've got these monstersthat you're afraid to deal with
because it's been so long.
But here's the kicker you alsogot to process stuff you like,
because clinging on to stuff youlike also messes with you and
you're like wait what?
Why don't I get to hold on tothe good?
No, just experience it.
(25:51):
The bad gone, the good gone.
Experience it as a good thing,as a bad that sucks.
Let me learn a lesson from thebad thing.
But here let me give you anexample.
You go to the beach.
It's like the most beautifulsunset you ever saw.
Like, oh my God, I cannot waitto back and see this amazing
sunset.
And you go back to the beachthe next time.
And what happens?
Cloudy, it's overcast.
Jay Johnson (26:13):
Yep.
Jim Huntzicker (26:14):
And it's beautiful.
It's all right because you'restill at the beach and you still
got this ocean.
You still got the moonlightthrough clouds and it's
incredible, but it's not thebeautiful pastel colors you saw
the first time and now you'relet down.
So now you're going primal,from something you like,
something you like right.
So you're you, because you hada belief that this is, this is
always this way.
You said that you clung on toit and you're like I have to
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have this to be good, so youthat that sets your minimum
standard of what like yeah, aninternal expectation barometer
almost, and it can go in eitherof the directions.
That's exactly the next time yougo now you're let down by
something you absolutely loved.
It was incredibly beautiful,when you could have just
experienced it.
Going back the next time, likelook at this, look at the moon
and the clouds there's no colorsthis time, but look at how
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incredible.
This is right, but now you'relet down instead.
Jay Johnson (26:59):
So I love this.
It actually reminds me a littlebit of Tai Chi and so I did
mixed martial arts for a longtime and everybody was always
surprised, like Tai Chi is anonviolent mixed martial arts or
you know a martial art, andmaybe not even considered a
martial art, but it is.
It's the idea of being able tosurrender to a pressure and to
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be able to sort of pivot and tobe able to reshift and move it
into something else and turn,you know, some kind of like net
power force yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (27:32):
External.
I've never studied Tai Chi.
I'm fascinated by it though.
So so you know you're exactlyright with this example.
You're a hundred percentcorrect.
Like this is a great example.
Jay Johnson (27:39):
Okay, so let's, let's, let's take this Cause I
love the, I love the threecolumns right.
So we have the, the limitedbelief for the surface level
limited belief.
We have the middle of the, ofthe opposite of that.
Yeah, and then finding theevidence for it.
So I'm thinking about this interms of workforce development
and if we can take it there fora second, jim right, when we're
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doing training, coaching oranything else inside of trying
to develop a workforce.
My guess and I've seen this, soit's a partial guess, but I
would be willing to bet that ina number of those different
instances you're gonna have theaudience with some level of
resentment Resentment for havingto learn something new, to
change a behavior, becausepeople don't always love change.
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They look at it and go, oh mygosh, this is hard.
Or the brain says that this ishard and why can't we just do it
the way that?
Jim Huntzicker (28:29):
we've always done it.
Your current belief system saysit is right.
Jay Johnson (28:32):
Yeah, but you're right, there's gonna be
resentment there against thisdude.
Jim Huntzicker (28:35):
Who's this guy?
Jay Johnson (28:36):
So we're going to see some level of resistance,
and this is well documented.
This is something that we'vedone in our research.
We see a lot of resistance totalent development programs.
So, in this regard, if I'm aleader, if I'm a coach, if I'm a
leader, if I'm a coach, if I'ma trainer, if I'm an HR person,
and I want to introduce somekind of new behavior or some
kind of new intervention that'sgoing to create the conditions
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of change, how should I bethinking about resentment?
How should I be thinking aboutthis mindset to start off, so
that way I can get the audiencein the right foot to be able to
make those kinds of shifts ortransitions?
What are your thoughts?
Jim Huntzicker (29:13):
Well, the first step to anything right to make
change is awareness.
Most of them might not even beaware that the resentment is
what is coming up.
They just might be gettingangry.
They're going primal.
They're like you know who the Fis this guy to tell me how to,
how to run my team.
Or you know, like who is whowho guy to tell me how to run my
team.
Or you know, like who are theybringing Right?
But if you start with theawareness, like you get out in
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front of it right, like theymight already be aware they're
going to teach them something.
But if you just lead withresentment and tell them what
they're going to process, itwill change the way they view
that experience, because nowthey're going to see it from the
eyes of oh wait, okay.
Like I would even use powerfuland primal states of being.
So you see, like you're, eitheryou're either going to be
learning here in a powerfulstate, like you are right now,
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like you're optimistic, you'reenergetic, you're excited, or
you're probably like who the Fis this dude?
Who does he think he is?
I need, I have work to do.
You know you're pissed off,like so.
So if you're in a primal stateof being, you're not going to
learn well today, but if you'rein a powerful state of being,
you're going to take.
Even if you take one thing away.
What if it's that one thingthat helps you get a 10% raise
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on your next evaluation?
Right Like what if?
Jay Johnson (30:18):
that one thing Saves you five hours of time a
week, whatever that might be,yeah.
Jim Huntzicker (30:23):
Right, exactly so I think, framing it the right
way and letting them know thatthey're about, some of them are
about to experience resentmentand go primal and they're not
going to learn, and so you couldtake that into their everyday
life, right Like, be like, hey,does this happen in your daily
life too?
Because if it's happening righthere, right now, this is not
because of me, it's got nothingto do with me.
This is all because of yourinternal resistance, because of
your belief system that you have.
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You're allowing you to resentsomething you don't.
This could be the this, thisone meeting could be the thing
that makes this pivotal changein your entire mindset and
future, that changes the entiretrajectory of where you're going
.
It could just be one littlething from the 10 points I'm
about to give you, but becauseyou're primal, you're not going
to get any of the 10 points,because you think you're too
good for this, because you haveresentment right now.
And so if you don't turn on tobeing more open-minded or
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optimistic, I'm sure you'renoticing this everywhere in your
life, because it's not just me,right?
So if you throw it back likethat and tell it, they're going
to start, they're going toreflect and be like oh shit,
like this is all over my life,like, I do this all the time,
right, like, and so they,because we're, we're, we're,
we're, we're creatures of habit.
Every you know.
So these are just and here'sthe craziest thing that we get
addicted to negative emotions.
We get addicted to like.
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That goes back to like well, whydo people go lose $300 million
and go bankrupt?
Because they, they're addictedto scarcity, they're addicted to
poverty, and it's because it'swhat they're comfortable Like.
Well, why, why would that be?
I want money, and everybodysays that, but but when your
comfort zone, in yoursubconscious, when you're
comfortable, is poverty, is poor, it's how you grew up, right,
and so so the change is isbecoming the person with money,
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becoming the wealthy person, andso so they, they go back to
their, their, their, whatthey're comfortable with, which
is which is living in scarcity.
Jay Johnson (32:08):
I see that a lot in entrepreneurs, cause it's often
it's oftentimes chaos thatbreeds innovation and that's
where you get a lot of reallygood entrepreneurs.
But they are comfortable inthat world of chaos and they're
not able to necessarily breakout and say, okay, what got me
here was this innovation, thishaving to overcome whatever this
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chaos, this craziness is, butnow I need systems and that
transition that that shift, uhis where I see a lot of
entrepreneurs go wrong isbecause they are essentially
resisting some of that sort oflike structure, because it's not
comfortable to them or it's youknow, and they might have to
ask for help to get it in.
Jim Huntzicker (32:49):
A lot of guys, especially if they made, they'd
made some, you know, and theymight have to ask for help to
get it.
And a lot of guys, especiallyif they made, they made some,
you know, they started thisbusiness from scratch, they did,
they did well.
And now, all of a sudden, whatI'm going to go listen to
somebody else Like, I have totake orders, I have to, I have
to ask for help and let somebodylike, like, and they can't do
that because that's a you knowwell, we are taught.
Going back to the beginning of,like, world War.
(33:10):
I, like men, were taught to nothave emotion because men with
emotion don't kill people, right, so that still carries forward
today.
Right, like, why are men likeyou?
Men don't cry, right, like,well, why is that?
Like, why men can't bevulnerable?
Why is that?
Well, because we were taughtthat from a very early age,
because they were makingsoldiers, right, so we don't
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have to worry about that so muchanymore.
Right, there's no draft,they're not making everybody a
soldier, but that mindset isstuck with.
And because this is how thethis is why there's no judgment
and there's no blame anywhere,because your parents and their
parents and their parents wereall doing the best they could
with the cards.
They were dealt right Becausetheir parents taught them.
So if they never did this kindof work the kind of work I teach
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you know on mindset and youknow and how to deal with
beliefs and how to changebeliefs if they've never done
that work especially theresentment side of it then
they're just carrying it andthey're giving it and they're
giving it and they're giving it,and there's no blame.
They're not doing anythingwrong.
They're doing the best they canwith the cards they were dealt.
So, like, a lot of people don'twant to deal with resentments to
their parents as an adult Causelike, well, I love my mom, I
love my dad, they're my bestfriend today and it's.
(34:16):
It's not about not loving themtoday.
But if you go back to when youwere five and you're like that
mother, like you got, you havesome resentment there, well then
you have to let it go and it'snot about dealing with the other
person.
This is all inside you and sothat's like, like you know, most
people are afraid to deal withresentment because they're like,
they think they have toconfront the person, or or they
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think it's they're they'reconfronting it in their own
minds to bring up an emotion andit is.
And you have to process thatemotion because if you don't,
you're never going to get rid ofit.
Right, you don't have toprocess it for days, like you've
already been processing it foryears, right, years.
Well, you've been avoiding it,so it's been growing right, but
all you have to do you sit withit Like this is the resentment
framework.
I'll give you this as the lastframework.
We're going to be wrappingthings up here soon.
(35:00):
But in order to get rid ofresentment, once you figure out
what it is which is not hard,where you go, primal, you say
I'm not, you know.
When you think back and you'relike you know, they wronged me,
like that there's a resentmentthere.
So you got to name theresentment like, literally write
it out on a piece of paper.
My mom, my teacher said this.
My so-and-so said that,whatever, it is right.
And then you got to feel it.
(35:21):
You got to sit there, closeyour eyes, go back to that time
in your visualized and cry aboutit.
Like you know you don't have to, but if you do, that's really
good.
That's you processing the pain.
You never you haven't done thatyet.
So once you process the pain,like do it for three minutes, do
it for five minutes, like stop,cause, cause, then what you do
is you say, okay, all right, Ifelt this pain, this sucked,
(35:42):
that, that really sucked.
But is there, is there a costto keeping it?
Or is there any benefit tokeeping this and holding onto
this resentment?
And of course, it's going to beno, right.
And so then this is the mostpowerful part Give it a new
meaning.
Because why would we giveanything a meaning in our lives?
Like Jay, we do this, all of usdo this every day.
Why do we give anything ameaning that doesn't serve us?
(36:03):
Like, think about that, it'sthe craziest thing.
Like we assign meaning to stuffall the time that bring us down
, that make us sad, that make usunhappy, that make us not as
productive, that make us not asbeneficial to other people, not
as good in our marriage, not asgood to our kids.
Why in the world do we do that?
It's because we're wired forsurvival, right, so we know why.
But here's the thing you don'thave to let that be.
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You could always assign a newmeaning to things.
If you go by default, yourdefault is going to assign a
meaning that doesn't serve you.
That's just the way we're wired.
That's our human nature.
That's us running fromsaber-toothed tigers.
That's like caveman programming, but we still have the same
minds as cavemen.
So crazy, but it's true.
And so now you're left with the.
(36:48):
Where's I going with that?
The?
I lost my train of thought.
Jay Johnson (36:57):
It's the meaning that ultimately ends up yeah, it
ends up giving us the contextof how we perceive something,
because it's the same thing thatyou said earlier is we can take
something like I stubbed my toeand go, oh gosh, that's the
worst thing ever.
Oh, I've hurt myself and Ican't believe this rather,
stubbed my toe and go, oh gosh,that's the worst thing ever.
Oh, I've hurt myself and Ican't believe this.
Rather than the meaning of wow,I was able to walk, which is a
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value proposition.
Oh, I still have feeling in mytoe.
Jim Huntzicker (37:23):
Oh, I have toes.
How about?
I'm grateful, I have toes stillright.
Like this reminded me that Istill have toes that work, and
if I kick things it hurts, somaybe I should pay better
attention when I'm walkingaround what's at the ground.
But but just that alone, justthat, just that gratitude alone,
and so like, like so.
So the you know people thathave desires, like, like so.
So if you have a desire and youdon't have it yet and you're
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not grateful for what you have,no matter what it is and when I
say grateful for what you have,I mean everything, all the
terrible stuff that's happenedto you, all the good stuff,
whatever you have in your life,your current bank account,
whatever it looks like right now, if you can't find gratitude
for that, like for today, forbeing alive today, If you're
hearing this, you're taking abreath, and that is something
(38:08):
for you to be grateful for.
Well, right, and you haveabundance because you're
listening to this on anelectronic device that probably
costs a thousand dollars, right,like that's what most people
have in their hands these days,and so you should.
There should be a ton ofgratitude, but but so, like my,
the first thing I do every dayafter I take a cold shower is I
have a gratitude journal.
Jay Johnson (38:30):
And I'm a cold plunge person too.
Jim Huntzicker (38:31):
I love it.
Yeah, all right, it'sincredible, I don't.
I do a shower, because that waynobody has excuses.
Because it's like, okay, if Ihave a cold place, you're like,
well, you have a cold plunge.
Like like I don't have that, soI can't do it.
I'm like, okay, well, coldshowers are harder.
Yeah, yeah, well, I don't get.
By the way, I don't jump incold.
I'm not a psychopath.
Like warm, you know, likejumping into a cold shower is
impossible.
So if that was your excuse,you're right, that is very
(38:53):
difficult to do.
If you can do it, more power toyou.
But I put it lukewarm, I get inand then I turn it as cold as I
can and I sit there for aminute and I just eat it.
And it's because one it teachesyour subconscious that you can
handle uncomfortable things,because in order to grow in life
, you need to do things that areuncomfortable and you start
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your day off doing somethinguncomfortable.
Well then, the inevitableuncomfortable things that come
with growth during your day aregoing to seem a lot easier and
you're going to automatically gothrough them instead of shy
away from them.
So it's extremely, extremelypowerful.
But the gratitude, but thefirst thing I write is for me.
I write, dear father, thank youfor.
And I write today because we'renot guaranteed today, right.
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But then the second thing Iwrite that I'm grateful for is a
negative event that's happenedto me recently that good came
out of.
So that way I'm conscious oflooking for good in everything.
Every day I write a negativeevent that good came out of.
Even for us there was a ton ofmy family.
A ton of good stuff came out ofCOVID, like several good things
(39:54):
, and so while that was a shittytime in history, for my family
it was really good, and if youlook at your family, there's
probably a lot of good too.
Sometimes you got to dig for it.
I didn't have to.
I was like this is incredible,know this?
This was a.
You know this sucked, but formy family it didn't, because so
much good came from it.
And then I, you know I write I'mgrateful for my family.
You know my dog, uh, my house,my cars, clothes, you know like,
(40:18):
like and and so.
But the negative event changesyour mindset, the way you view
things, because then you evenlike, when a guy cuts you off,
like who cares?
Like, like he doesn't know you.
It's not against you.
He would have cut anybody offif he watched that guy drive.
He's gonna cut four more peopleoff.
It had nothing to do with you.
But why do you let that boilyour you know, boil your blood
(40:38):
so much and get you so mad likeyou gave all your power?
Jay Johnson (40:41):
to your heart attack yeah, that doesn't that
doesn't bad.
Driving should not be the causeof your heart attack.
Jim Huntzicker (40:47):
No, but, but so many people do.
And now somebody you know like,like, I used to be like that.
And now somebody cuts me off,like oh, they're probably having
a bad day.
I'm not and I'm not gonna letthem ruin mine.
Right, like, so it's all howyou frame it Like, so, so, so
the the uh back to the uhframework to let go of
resentments.
We are on giving it a newmeaning.
You could always assign ameeting that serves you always.
(41:10):
It's a choice not to.
And the last thing is is let itgo right.
So.
So that was the five steps.
You know it was name it, feelit, cost benefit analysis,
reframe it, give it a newmeaning and let it go.
And I literally like, when I waslike learning this stuff, like
okay, I gotta let it go.
Like, how do I like?
How do I like, what do I do tolet it?
You know, like, something, like, and so I like this is I still
(41:31):
do this today because every dayI go primal.
I'm not like some superherothat doesn't go.
Every day I go primal, but Idon't live there if I get mad,
upset, angry, stressed, 30seconds, maybe 90, 90, if it's
something huge and I'm out, I'mdone.
I'm like, okay, let's reframethis, I'm not gonna let it
affect me anymore.
But I literally go like this.
I like I take a deep breath in,I wave my hands past my head,
(41:55):
gone, and I don't feel itanymore.
Like so for me, like thisaction, like I thought I would
like at first, like I won't dothis forever.
But to me, like whenever Iprocess it, like I'm processing
a resentment, a new resentmentthat comes up, like you don't
get, this is not work.
There's no finish line withthis work, by the way.
It's just, it's a way of beingright, it's a way of dealing
with life, because life is noteasy if you haven't noticed
(42:16):
right, and so it doesn't get anyeasier.
This work helps you process thesuck right.
There's really good parts andthat you process just fine.
But the suck, which is a lot ofwhat life can be if you don't
process it the right way andgive it good meanings.
This work helps you processthose parts of life.
And so now something comes up.
(42:36):
I just like I'll sit in my caror sit in wherever.
I'm like all right, and that'sthe good stuff too.
When something awesome happens,I'm like rock and roll, that
was fantastic.
I just look, I smile thinkingabout it, right Because it's so
good, but I don't want to holdon to it.
Right, because I know that untilI learned that, which wasn't
but five years ago during COVID,I read one of Michael's books,
(42:58):
um and um, uh, that is where Ilearned to process the cause,
cause I was like I was holdingon to everything, right, and so
I had all kinds of I was a mess,right, and I'm still sorting
out pieces because, like youknow, like my mom, god love her,
she's fantastic, but she'sextremely judgmental, very
opinionated and doesn't stoptalking about it.
So when my parents werefighting, when my dad was gone,
(43:20):
as a kid, I had my mom in my earand she is just nonstop.
When she's talking to people onthe phone to like, so she just
says whatever.
And so that's why my moneyissues were so deeply ingrained
as, like my core limiting beliefand the tide of these
resentments Cause my ma.
I had all this resentment forher because I knew that she's
(43:40):
the one that planted all thisstuff.
And so, while like, I'm like,okay, I'm gonna make a new
decision, make a new decision,but nothing changed, nothing
changed, nothing changed, andI'm like, no, this shit doesn't
work.
You know, I got this.
I got the surface level onesare easy, and I was, I was, I
was bad, right, and then I foundresentments and I was like, oh,
what's this Like all right.
So I had to dig deep intoresentments and, like I'd
(44:02):
studied the you know, thebehavioral, psychology side of
resentments, and once I realizedhow, how, like, like, like I
read, you know, like you know,eating poison, expecting the
other person to die, I read thatI was like that.
That was the one phrase thatchanged everything for me,
because it was like, yeah, I'mnot forgiving, she did this to
(44:23):
me, you know, and but but whenyou really think about it, like,
does that mean serving you?
Is it providing good in yourlife to keep that resentment,
hold on to it and be negativeall the time?
Probably not Right.
Jay Johnson (44:36):
And so it's a process.
It's probably not changing anybehaviors.
Jim Huntzicker (44:40):
No one really.
Jay Johnson (44:41):
which is really that?
You know it's not changingtheir behavior, it's not
changing your behavior.
The only way to change that isto really kind of do that
internal work.
Jim Huntzicker (44:50):
Yeah, and if you've never done the work,
guess what?
It's still in you and you haveto do it or you're going to die
with it.
And some, and most people dolike like, you know, like, if
you look at, look at, ask ChadGPT, how many people are
financially broke at 70?
It's crazy.
It's because they never dealtwith those beliefs from growing
up, because most people do growup in scarcity and poverty or
(45:12):
not with a lot of money, and thereason they stay there is
because they never changed thebelief system and so they live
check to check, or they haveinvestments that they make that
aren't good, that money getstaken away and so anything extra
they don't have by the timethey're 65 or 70, they got
nothing.
That's most people, right,because they never do this work.
So if you're listening to this,just be fortunate that you're
(45:33):
becoming aware that this workeven exists, cause I, it still
blows my mind that I talk topeople about limiting beliefs
and they're like, yeah, I'veheard about that, or you know
I'll say resentments and like,well, you know they don't like,
they don't get it, and I canappreciate it because you know,
eight years ago I didn't either,and so it is just it's a, this
(45:54):
is just a way of being and it'sa way of dealing with, you know,
life's problems.
And here's the best part is,once you figure this out, like
nothing bothers you anymore,like like the stuff that sucks
is like all right, let's give ita good meeting, move on like
that.
I don't like that.
I didn't, or I made thismistake.
Like I wish I didn't make thatmistake, but I did learn this
lesson.
Here's what I learned from it,here's the value that came from
it and here's how I can operatein moving forward, move on right
(46:14):
Because, like if you're havingstress or anxiety all the time
and you're taking drugs for itwhich is nonsense, by the way
but if you're having stress oranxiety, it's because you know
where you're not living.
You're not living in thepresent moment, You're living in
the future, which is where youranxiety comes from, or you're
thinking about the past, whichis where your stress comes from,
and so they can change too, butusually anxiety is about the
(46:38):
future, stress is about the past.
But if you just focus on thepresent moment and being the
best version of yourself today,right now, in this moment, and
be present for the people infront of you, everything changes
.
Gratitude and presence willchange your life.
Jay Johnson (46:50):
Such a great call to action.
Jim, if the audience wanted toget in touch with you, how would
they connect with you?
Jim Huntzicker (46:55):
My book is available on Amazon Mindset
Breakthrough.
You can just search it.
You can go tomindsetbreakthroughcom also to
get the book and my website.
I'm not on social media verymuch.
You shouldn't be either, unlessyou're using social media to
make money.
Maybe 20 minutes because,because part of your fear,
stress, anxiety, fear, missingout, comparison, all the stuff
that's causing issues in yourlife, it could be from social
(47:16):
media alone.
So so just know that your hoursof scrolling a day are messing
with your mindset in ways you wenever even experienced 10 years
ago, 20 years ago.
There was other ways.
Back then, this is, uh, this islike messing with your, your
emotions on steroids and andthey have it you addicted to it
too.
Right, like they.
they know the algorithm yeah,well, they use, they use, they
(47:37):
use casino um slot machinetechnology.
It's the same thing, you know,because that's how they keep you
going triggering thatdopaminergic system?
Jay Johnson (47:45):
yep 100.
Jim Huntzicker (47:45):
So my website's jimhuntskercom.
It's just my, my name.
It'll be in the show notes, um,but you can go there and get
ahold of me.
I do have social media, like.
You can find me on LinkedIn,you can find me on Instagram,
but I don't log onto them.
So if you want to send me amessage, go to my website.
Uh, because I's not on socialmedia much easier, so she's not
(48:08):
very good, but because socialmedia is not where there's
nothing good on social media,like, I'm using it now more to
get you know, to get to myaudience, cause this is a newer
business for me.
I started about a year agogetting it off the ground and so
so this is still newer and soI'm growing my audience.
(48:29):
I've never been a social mediaperson.
Jay Johnson (48:31):
That could literally be its own show.
Let me tell you Now, jim, thishas been an incredible
conversation.
I really appreciate youbringing these tools like
actionable tools that are goingto help shift some behavior.
So I just want to say thank youfor being here and sharing your
wisdom, your experience andyour story with everybody that
is listening here today.
So thank you for that.
Jim Huntzicker (48:51):
Yeah, benji, thanks for having me.
This was a great, greatconversation.
Jay Johnson (48:54):
And thank you, audience, for tuning into this
episode of the Talent Forge,where together we're shaping
workforce behavior.
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