A Very Special Episode - Bear vs. Man - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso Talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso Way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful people.
Today we are discussing Wayne,Episode 9,.
Thought we Was Friends.
I am your host, Coach Castleton.
With me, as always, is CoachBishop.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Man, I thought we was friends.
You're taking me through a lotof shit over here.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Heavy-duty stuff Coach, and with us is our boss,
Emily Chambers.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I did have the thought over the weekend while
thinking about this, becausethis is all I do with my life
now is think about TV shows thatwe record podcasts about as
your issue Is that I believe, ifyou like somebody, you could be

(01:27):
blind to the abuse that they doto other people.
That is the conclusion that I'vecome to.
I think that you think you seegoodness in them, and I believe
you are refusing to see the badin them, and so that's where
some of our especially aroundMaureen, our fighting comes down
to.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, right, right comes down to yeah Right, right,
right, yeah, no, no, you may be.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh, I'm 100% right about it.
I'm absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, well, no, the plot's going to thicken a little
bit with that.
But I was watching Brockmireand I came to this.
I was watching this episode ofBrockmire and I came to this.
I was watching this episode ofBrockmire where he's about to
get this job.
He's about to beat out Raj forthe job with, I think, the the I
thought it was, I don't thinkit was the, it was some Chicago

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maybe.
Anyway, it was.
It was one of the.
It was a big baseball job andBrockmire is going for the
announcing gig.
It's between him and anotherannouncer of Indian ancestry and
Raj is beating him in everycategory with every demo.

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And Brockmire finds out right atthe last minute, when the old
guy is going to retire, that theold guy is an unrepentant bigot
.
And I was like I had to turn itoff because the conflict was
about to come.
I'm not.
I'm not conflict averse.
We've talked about this.
Growing up in a family, a lotof conflict.
I'm not conflict averse.
But I was like what's he gonnado right here?

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So he's gonna, he's gonna outthis guy.
Like part of my brain is likejust let the old piece of shit
go and move on to a better worldRight.
And I was like boss would sayno, no, you have to.
You have one chance to out thisguy so that everywhere he goes,
everyone knows he's a bigot.
Like don't let him ride offinto the sunset.
And I'm like, so I was likethinking about that distinction.

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I was like, well, I think a bigpart of it is like whether or
not you can pull off.
You know, whether I think youcan believably pull off outing
him appropriately.
You're like, of course, duhright.
And I was like the faster youcan get these people out of the

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public eye, the more efficientlyto remove them.
The world's full of bigots.
Let's move one of them out intothe, get them out to pasture as
fast as possible so they can'thurt anybody else.
And you're like, yeah, that'sright, but they can't –'t do it
without them also being able tohide their bigotry.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, I don't see any conflict between the idea of
putting them out to pasture andcalling them out.
You could do both.
You could easily do both.
Yeah, I don't see what the harmin calling them out for that is
.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
No, no, there is no harm.
Was like thinking.
Literally it's like anefficiency thing, it's like how
you know, it's like a bigotremoval tool, like we know
they're there.
How do we remove the bigots andhow fast can we get all the
bigots shot into space?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
um and um, and whether so, without calling them
bigots and without tellingother people that you're doing
it because they're bigots, wellit's like just figuring out a
different.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was like, if it's more efficient, how do you?
It was like an efficiency thing.
It's like how quickly can weget this fucking guy off the air
?
And then, but there's thisother element where it's like,
no, it's really important toidentify the bigot publicly so
that that bigot cannot the bigotwill be appropriately shunned
as he goes out the door.

(05:05):
Yeah, no, no, I really likethat.
But I notice it's not part ofmy natural ethos because I go,
oh, just get this guy.
Like let's just, you knowwhatever.
But I knew that you would takethe position of yeah, let's also
do that.
Now.
Today we're going to talk aboutThought.
We Was Friends.
Do that.

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Now.
Today we're going to talk aboutThought.
We Was Friends.
Right now there's a.
There is a.
I'm coming off a little bit of ahigh because I spent the
weekend in Los Angeles and I wasat a party where, well, not one
party, but I was at one of theevenings.
I was in los angeles, I was ata party and having a great time,

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and somebody taps me on theshoulder and I turn around and
it is my boy coach and and it'sa totally different thing.
It's like, uh, it's like it'sso funny after doing 1 million
episodes of um ted lassotogether.
Uh, it's, it's just like adifferent.
It's a totally different.

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Um hits differently, right,coach?
Um, we, we had a great time.
It was, uh, it was the firsttime we've seen each other in
what like a year and a half inperson.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Two years a couple years anyway, right, probably a
couple years.
It would have been a draft, soyeah, like a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.
So it was really, really greatand I was coming off a high from
that.
And then, you know, bossstarted talking a little bit
about all of the.
She started exploring some ofthe things that everyone's
talking about man versus bearand I want to, I want to warn

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everyone that we may have some,I would say like atmospheric
noise today because, likedirectly in bosses front hallway
, it sounds like.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Oh no, they moved.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
They're building the great wall in Chicago.
They seem to be done.
No, are they done?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
They've moved along to a different block in order to
destroy their peace and quietfor the afternoon Just ruining
podcasts everywhere.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, they're right.
Okay, good.
Well, that's good.
Now, coach, I know you had some.
You know this man versus bear.
For those uninitiated, there'sthis topic where a woman is
walking alone in the woods.
Would she rather run into andplease correct me if there's any
sort of subtlety of this thatI'm missing and, as I understand

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it, the topic is woman'swalking alone in the woods.
Would she rather run into abear or a strange man and the
answer is bear people seem verysurprised.
Uh right, the answer is likeconsistently bear, and, and many
men seem surprised by this-well, first of all, many men do

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seem surprised by this.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Well, first of all, many men do seem surprised by
this.
We have a lot of work to do.
I saw a meme that said eitheryou're the kind of man who
understands why the answer isbare, or you are the kind of man
who is the reason the answer isbare, and I just kind of feel
like that's pretty accurate.
Oh, that's great.
Because it seems to me that'spretty accurate.
Oh, that's because it seems tome that's some serious fucking

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feedback.
That's great, and the fact thatyour whole goddamn takeaway
from half the population sayingyou are so fucking dangerous,
you are so deeply goddamndangerous that, given my
druthers, I would take mychances with a wild animal

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because at least maybe the wildanimal is just following its
basic instincts and I could getaway Like Jesus Christ, like how
do you hear that?
And take away from it.
This is about my hurt feelingsthat you didn't give me your
phone number, like they.
They uh, coach and boss bothknow I'm.

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I've got a.
I've got quite a rant on thestate of the world in my, in my
quiver right now, but this isone of the things that has just
got me staring at the world andgoing what, what the fuck are we
doing?
Like, just in general, therewas a brawl last night at UCLA

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between peaceful protesters andthe anti-protesters who are
angry about the anti-Semitism,and so people who don't want the
Palestinians hurt had a brawlfor three hours with people who

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don't want Israelis hurt andeverybody felt that made sense
and I just like to say we areout of
our collective fucking mind.
If you think about, I could godown our list and, believe me, I
talked to a friend aboutearlier today and I did.
What are we collectively doing?

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And I came up with this phraseabout the whole Gaza to UCLA
thing and Columbia and let's goor let's arrest the students and
where's the National Guard andall this stuff.
And here's where I landed.
The problem is, everybody's anexpert in why they are the

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chosen people, but what we needis God's choosing people.
What are you choosing when youdon't let some Jewish kid go to
class?
I'd see, I thought people werekind of like taking one incident
and blowing up, but now I'mseeing a video of some kid being
turned rack at UCLA.
These kids are so tough they'renot going to let this kid go to

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class.
There's part of me that isseriously thinking about driving
up to UCLA and being like whoneeds to go to class?
Because, believe me, you'regoing to make it to
motherfucking class today.
Who said you can't go to classBecause you go into class today
and they can talk to me about it?
Fuck, you mean you ain'tletting these kids go to class

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because you don't like what BBNetanyahu did.
You must be out your goddamnmind.
Stop worrying about being God'schosen people and start
motherfucking worrying aboutbeing God's choosing people.
That's what we need in thisworld.
You know there's nobody.
Have you ever heard somebodysay oh God talked to me last
night and guess what?
We're not the chosen people.
How come God don't never letknow God?

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Unprofessional as fuck.
Let motherfuckers know theydidn't get the job.
That's the problem.
There's never any constructivecriticism from God.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
It's always just God told me I'm doing the best.
God told me I am right.
Wow, that's shocking.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
If somebody actually said hey.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
God spoke to me and he said I had it completely
wrong.
I was 100% wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I might listen to that person, Of course because
at least what are we discussingIn this country?
We have a fucking theocracytaking place.
I just watched a video of awoman in Washington who works
for the Republican Party.
She's presenting their platform.
They are officiallyanti-democratic.
That's not my interpretation.
Those are the fucking words.

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They want the word democraticremoved from everything.
Those are her fucking words.
Because God chose America'sevangelical Christians, because
God chose Jewish people, becauseGod chose the Muslims, I wish
God would choose to tell y'allto shut the fuck up.

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That's what I wish God wouldchoose.
I wish he would have chosen it along fucking time ago.
But all of it, all of it.
Somebody's conversation Ididn't see it, but somebody's
conversation about man versusbear apparently devolved into
men arguing over whether or notthey could defeat a bear if they
came across a bear in the woods.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, Let me tell you something.
They're pretty sure they could.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
First of all, no.
And second of all, to me that'slike watching video of the
people screaming at Ruby Bridgesand being like that shirt does
not go with those pants.
Like are you like?
Pay fucking attention.
Man.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Yeah, that's not the point.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
And I'm sorry.
I warned them that I but yeah,I just found myself looking up
this morning going the world haslost its fucking mind.
If it never had it.
This is bonkers.
Yeah, people are not going toget college degrees because
peaceful protesters on bothsides got in a fight.

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That's a thing that's going tohappen now.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I have to admit I'm much, muchmore aware of the man versus
bear discussion than theprotesters.
I've been following theprotesters a little bit, but a
you know it feels like I don'twant to say that we shouldn't be
paying attention to it,obviously we should.

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It feels like it's more of amedia fiasco than anything else.
Like the protesters want tohighlight it, yeah, like it's
just turned into a hugeclusterfuck in a lot of
different ways, and I don't know.
I support everybody's right toprotest, obviously.
Um, I also would prefer thatpeople in gaza not be killed,
but I, I don't they, I, there'sa lot of shit that's too far

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above my pay grade to weigh intoon.
Uh, in an intelligent way, Iwill say the idea of an anti-war
protest devolving into violenceis hilarious in the worst way.
That's fucking wild.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It's interesting because I, like you, I feel like
there's a lot there and thenpeople start talking about well,
in 1948, and this and that, andthousands of years, and this
and Exodus, and there's a lot,and I know there's a lot, and
then this one broke and thenthis one started to fight.
That time it feels to me like,and has always felt like excuse

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me, two arguing siblings whoneed an adult to just come in
and say you sit there and yousit there, and I don't want to
hear another fucking word out ofeither one of you.
Like, that's.
You know, my veryunsophisticated take is it's
enough.
I'm 51 years old.
I've never known you two to notbe at war and I'm fucking

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exhausted.
Like I get it.
I get why anybody on eitherside is going to tell me no, no,
no, no.
I'm just telling you I amfucking tired of it.
I get why anybody on eitherside is going to tell me no, no,
no, no.
I'm just telling you I amfucking tired of it and I just
mostly want all of you to knockit off.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I will say I feel like it shouldn't be one of the
parents that, in 1948, dividedup the region along with large
parts of Africa.
Like, yeah, that's yeah.
I think that I would say thatthe U?
S and England should not be theadults in that situation.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
Um, I think, obviously, uh, theonly thing that I'll say to sort

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of tie what you were saying,coach, about uh, god choosing,
and people saying God chose meto tie it to what I will be
talking about later in thisepisode, is people have a really
terrible way of, in my opinion,framing their emotions within
the context of an argument.
Which is to say, which is tosay, the theocratic,

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fundamentalist Christians in the, the us are saying well, god
told me, I believe that god didthis, this, this and this, so we
all need to do this shit.
And I'm like no, that'sentirely your beliefs and your
feelings.
What those are is not anargument to me.
You can't say, well, I thinkgod told us this, so we have to
do that.
That's not convincing.
Feelings are not opposed tologic.

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The way that a lot of peoplepretend that they are, that
feelings are antithetical tologic.
That isn't true.
Feelings also aren't absolutefact because there's nothing to
be done about them.
Feelings inform your opinion onsomething.
Feelings are information for youand if you were talking to
somebody that you care a gooddeal about, you could say hey,

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it would be really important tome if you would come to my
graduation on Saturday, but myfeelings are.
I would love for you to come tomy graduation.
If you care about my feelings,you might want to do that, but
all of that is information.
If I said you have to come tomy graduation because God told
me you did, that wouldn't makeany fucking sense.

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So your feelings on somethingare valid to you and should be
examined, and you should use allthat information when forming
an argument.
But then the argument is thesecond half.
The argument is here are all ofthe things that we all saw
happen.
Here is my opinion on that, andthis is why I feel that this
thing is right.
Then you, you build yourfucking argument and you give
people examples of why you thinkthat you can't just say well, I

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feel it's that way, so it is somany things about what you said
, but the, the, the emotion asits own argument is a problem.
And.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think people conflate that with like well, I
don't want to have triggerwarnings, like, if you're going
to talk about some shit that'supsetting, give people a fucking
heads up.
Just give them a heads up,that's all.
That's all a trigger warning is.
That's all.
A trigger warning is Relax.
But the idea that, like theidea that two men are kissing,
upsets me and that somehow thatshould have some impact on

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public discourse.
I don't give a fuck if itupsets you.
I literally let me help youunderstand.
I'm not just saying thatquickly and off the dome.
I don't give a fuck that itbothers you, I don't care.
I don't think it's at allrelevant to the choice those two
men made to kiss each other.
Maybe.

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I don't think anybody shouldkiss you, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Somebody probably has .
My feeling is I don't careabout your feelings, so there we
go.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I have a rule, Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Cody.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No, no, I was just saying if history is any
indicator of these guys whoprotest, men kissing, the guys
who seem to be protesting it theloudest are just once you peel
everything back yeah, that's thewhole thing is they want to be
part of the kissing and they'rerepressed in one way or another
Exactly Whatever, so be part ofthe kissing, uh, and they're,

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they're repressed in one way oranother, exactly whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Um, so I anyway, my, my thing is funny that we talk
about.
We've talked about ted lassoall this time and you know that
my big thing is like, oh, ted isfreeing people.
You know like, and I've beenhitting this thing and I'm like
that's like if's a link, that'sthe link I would want to my life
.
That, generally speaking, whenOrlando came around, he worked

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to be more and more himself andhe worked to make more and more
space for whoever was there withhim to be themselves.
That was that's what I want andthat's for my players, that's
for my family, that's for myplayers, that's for my family,
that's for my friends, that'sfor everybody.
I want you to do you to themotherfucking utmost, and I
think the rule that we could allbe living by and we could just

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check each other's work on thisIs If it is not Freeing you and
the people Around you, knock itoff.
There you go.
No more commandments, bye.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Bye.
I will say that one of thebasicbing hand grenades at
theocratic organizations andpeople seeking to undo that

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division.
It's important to distinguishbetween religion and
spirituality, and I think mostof art and music and so much
beauty comes from theinspiration of whatever
spiritual connection you have towhatever.
It's just that when you codifyit, it can sometimes not always,
but it can sometimes lead torepression of others or somehow

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a need for people to feel likethey have a foot on their neck.
People to feel like they have afoot on their neck.
Um, I I want to say there wasthis we we always talk about
looking at things in a from sortof a binary standpoint.
We're programmed for goodversus bad.
It's very appropriate for thiswayne episode good, good and bad
, black and white, um, good andevil, um, and so, uh, I we've

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we've stayed out of the the frayfray with regard to what's
going on in the Middle Eastright now.
But I will say that somethingthat I just want to note is like
when you protest, protesting isa fundamental right.
It's something that's really,really good for this country and
should always be supported, butwe have to consider what you

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have to consider.
What does that mean?
Does that mean destruction ofproperty?
Does it mean you can preventothers from going about their
day, like stopping that kid fromgoing to classes?
What is the yeah Coach says no.
So I think it's important tothink about that.
It's also that it's hard to getinvested in this because people
want simple like there is oneright side and one wrong side

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and there's not.
This may be the mostcomplicated situation, but when
you okay, there's no like I'mgoing to poach from this great
thread from a guy that I follow,a guy his name is Vince
Scafaria.
He's like really really brightguy and I'm friends with his

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family and I just think hereally summed this up really
well.
He said all of these things canbe true at the same time.
Hamas is a terror organizationthat committed some of the worst
possible atrocities on 10-7.
Netanyahu is a Trumpianstrongman whose atrocities and
criminal actions in Gaza deserveprotest.
Iran proved in its 300-plusmissile strike on Israel that it

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wants to obliterate the Jewishpeople there.
The Israeli people haveprotested in large numbers to
get rid of Netanyahu and theydeserve not to be wiped out by
Iranian missiles.
Israel has been fundamental toUS national security for decades
.
Sometimes people gloss over thatone Layer on Israel's Pegasus
spyware, corrupt lobbying ofpoliticians, and it gets very

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complex against Israel, likehere's one thing we can't do.
Netanyahu knows the abovecomplexities and therefore has
chosen to call our bluff so far,and it's easy to understand why
students and others protestagainst Israel and we should all
protest Netanyahu.

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Now here's the thing thatpeople are missing out on.
When you see the numbers of,like, when they arrest students,
sometimes you look at thenumbers, you're like, wait, oh
they.
Oh, there are 79 people and youknow 23 of them were students.
You got to ask yourself, like,who are the other?
Who are the other people inthere?
And some percentage ofprotesters and some percentage
of police reliably overreactevery time is one of the other

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things.
That's true.
Shit stirrers love conflictbecause it takes all the
complexity above and gives awedge to rip us apart.
Um, the proud boys showed up atcolumbia.
80 of asu arrests werenon-students.
Uh, increasingly violentprotesters are wearing masks.
So you know you can go down andstart to dig deep.

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You start to peel away it.
It's just not as simple.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's not as simple as people want to make, but I
think yes to everything you justsaid, and if you could share
what you just shared in thecommunity, it's a great thread.
I think sometimes, okay, here'swhat it is.
Maybe this is the coach in metoo.

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Sometimes, when things arecrazy, you got to get simple,
because there's a lot ofvariables already.
Everything you just read beingtrue whatever, right, yeah, all
at once.
So to me, okay, let's say youwant you feel we are right to,
to excuse me, and we want theschool to divest?
Ok, ok, let's, let's, let's sayfor a very, very different

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protest and a very differentconversation than you deciding
you're not going to let Jewishstudents go to class right, like
you are deciding, like I amgoing to oppress you personally
here now because people whoshare your religion are doing

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something I don't like.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Oh oh, oh, okay.
Sorry, I think I misunderstoodthat for a second.
I'm getting.
I am getting it now, but Ithink it's so.
Castleton, I know that you havesaid before that I see things in
very black and white types ofways.
I don't actually agree withthat.
I think that I am able to seethe gray.
I think that what you arereacting to is that I say, well,

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this portion over here, thissliver, the answer is you can't
be anti semitic, I don't give ashit.
There's no good reason.
There's never, ever a goodreason to be anti-Semitic.
To dislike somebody because theyare Jewish is always 100% a bad
thing.
Now, too many people havegeneralized that.
To say if you say Israel ishandling the situation wrong,

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that is anti-Semitism, well, no,that's not true.
That's not.
That is inaccurate.
If I say Israel shouldn't existbecause I hate Jewish people,
that is wrong.
If I say Israel shouldn'tcontinue to be funded with US
dollars to kill people, I canhave that opinion and that by
itself is something to be arguedabout.
So I think the smaller you getinto these little chunks of like

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.
If you, are you preventingstudents from entering a
classroom and therebyjeopardizing their future, or am
I part of a protest encampmentthat is blocking one section of
the campus and you need to walkaround us, like people all too
often want to say.
This is the rule and this ruleapplies in all of these

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different.
It applies always, and thatisn't the case either, like we
are grownups.
Sometimes the rule applies andsometimes a different rule
applies because circumstancesare different, and you need to
make sure that you're payingattention to the nuance, not
just saying, like that womansaid a mean thing to me.
No, the woman said that men areso dangerous and that we can't

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tell when are dangerous andwhich ones aren't, that we would
prefer to put up with a bearthan to put up with a strange
man.
And, by the way, just becausethere are so many fucking men on
the Internet that apparentlynever read zoo books, bears
don't actually attack that often.
If you wave your jacket aboveyour head and you scream or
shout loudly, but notaggressively, they'll most often

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run away.
The fact is, a bear actually isless dangerous.
A bear is not going to try toeat you.
Not every man will try to rapeyou, but too many of them will,
and that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
It seems to me what we're getting as feedback is a
higher percentage of men seem torape than bears seem to attack.
So if you're purely playing theodds, yeah, yeah, hey.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Hey.
All you statistic nerds whotalk about how girls don't like
you because you're into math,fucking run the statistics,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (29:07):
These are a lot of hot button issues and people get
, you know, rightfully worked upover them.
Coach, were you going to saysomething?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I was going to say you're right, they are hot
button issues, was going to sayyou're right, they are hot
button issues.
And one thing and we all haveour hot button issues, so I'll
share that one of mine, becauseI had to do this in a in a
session once.
I I specifically one of mine ispolice brutality and in the
united states right, just, it isokay.
Now my person connects to that.
Yes, I am, and I react.

(29:36):
I recognize that it's a hotbutton issue and it's part of
why I paused.
You're not going to see, put itthis way, you're not going to
see a lot of all cops arebastards ACAB posts in my
history, because I realized,like I am.
So this is such a hot buttonfor me.
What I have to remind myself ofis don't slide in the lizard

(30:02):
brain, don't right, like, don'tgo there, because if it just
becomes you know, police are badperiod like you just go into
bad places and I'm sorry, and Ithink that that we need more
people to realize thetemperature is going up.
So this is the time, you know.

(30:23):
The one thing I would disagreewith you on, boss, as you said,
we are grown-ups.
I think we are older, we areolder humans, yeah and we need
more grown-ups.
We need somebody to say and Idon't just blame it on it being
college kids, because I thinkthe politicians are part of the
fucking problem too stop fanningthe motherfucking flames.
Oh, these kids should be kickedout, and whatever we think the

(30:44):
kids are gonna feel what you saythat they gotta be like.
Oh, you want to bully usgrown-ups.
Now we're gonna fucking takeover the building like what
again?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
what are you trying to accomplish?
Those protests are being led byprofessional protest organizers
that are paid for by whom?
Right?
It's not like in certain places.
You haven't heard about one ofthese large scale protests on
colleges that are only collegestudents.
Show me point to one.
It just doesn't exist.
It's people are in.

(31:14):
We're in an election year andpeople are going to try to
figure out any way to drive awedge, are going to try to
figure out any way to drive awedge, um, you know, into the
country before the electionhappens.
So, um, again, I, I, I just Idon't understand why people
don't get subtlety and nuanceare there is, are we uh, have we

(31:34):
witnessed the, the overmilitarization of the police in
our lifetime?
Absolutely Like, it's crazy,it's off the charts.
But at the same time, we'vewitnessed, you know, criminals
going from sticks to fuckingmachine guns, and what are the
police supposed to do?
Just get slaughtered.
So I know horrible people, likepersonally horrible people who

(31:59):
are federal agents.
I hate them.
I know people that got to befederal agents who I do not like
I don't really I don't like sayI hate anybody, but like,
growing up I couldn't stand thisperson.
I cannot believe they're an fbiagent, I'm like, oh my god,
they're the worst person I knowand they have that kind of power
.
But I also know unbelievablefederal agents and I know

(32:20):
personally and I know I talkabout the cop in my local town
who was like literally the bestperson I know and all he does is
help people all day long fromlike dawn to dusk.
And then if you call him in themiddle of the night, if I
called him right now, right, andI have his number he would be
over here in 10 minutes with acrew of guys to make sure

(32:40):
everything was OK.
And so, yes, we need more peaceofficers.
Again, when we talk aboutchurches, you look at like a
Joel Osteen kind of thing,kicking out people during the,
not feeding people during the.
You know, during tragedy, youknow during tragedy.

(33:07):
But I promise you that the vastmajority of Christians who view
themselves, you know, who areconnected to the Bible, are not
like that.
We're not like.
It's actually made me.
It's been heartening.
There's just been a series ofad campaigns where it was like
oh, it's like the he Gets Usmovement or whatever.
I don't know if you saw it.
I don't know what that is.
No wait and you can correct me.
I'm saying I don't know what itis, but I do like the fact that

(33:28):
I have no idea.
I haven't looked into it, but Isaw that they said Jesus
doesn't preach hate or didn'tpreach hate, and I'm like, okay,
it's about time that that sortof message was clarified, cause
I'm like like it gets a lot.
You're like, wait, it'sindistinguishable.
You know what I mean.

(33:48):
And sometimes in some of themessages you go, oh my God, like
this has nothing to do withJesus, like like he would you
know, it was like not absolutelynothing to do with what's going
on.
So, anyway, go ahead, tell me,tell me, what about that?
I don't know, I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
With that?
That I don't know.
I have no idea.
With that campaign, I'm notsaying thatay and being
regressive with women andanti-body autonomy and a bunch
of not giving federal aid topoor people, like a lot of the
conservative Christian beliefsthey are still holding on to and
still preach, they're justrepackaging in this way that
says, oh, he washed feet, oh, no, like we were into that, cool
Jesus.
We don't preach hate, we onlypreach that gay people shouldn't

(34:49):
be allowed to be with theirloved ones.
But what we do sometimes, yes,okay, granted.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Here's the thing People who are have been outside
of it.
I've always been like.
I wish Christians would step upand reclaim their religion from
this tiny minority ofChristians who are fucking awful
Of.
Quote unquote Christians whoare not like have they even read
the Bible?
A guy like Trump is not aChristian.
I don't care what he says.
He's never read the Bible.
He has no idea.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
What gave him away?
What was it?
One Corinthians Fuck.
Or two Corinthians whatever yousaid, stupid ass.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
But on that level you say like also, you know, being
against Netanyahu is not beingagainst Israel, you know, writ
large.
It's the same thing as ifsomebody, let's say in Germany,
while Trump was president ofthis country, would be like I
fucking hate all Americans.
Like, bro, we're with you, man.
Like you know, the majority ofthe country would be like I
fucking hate all all americans.
Like, bro, we're, we're withyou, man.
Like you know, the the majorityof the country was against it.

(35:45):
So or saying like um, Iremember when the after the uh,
the wall fell and I got to knowlike, just like, everything got
better for the period ofperestroika and glasnost and all
that stuff that came after thefall of the berlin wall, and I
remember I had russian friendsfor the first time and I was
like I fucking love these guys.

(36:05):
They were the like the bad thing.
We would joke.
I remember this friend of mine,ilya, would tell me about how
he was raised and he would saylike oh, our text.
We tell me about the textbooksand how.
They would say they, you knowall the horrible things.
And I remember him saying thatthey categorized England.
They called it the shark ofcapitalism.
England was the shark ofcapitalism, and then we would

(36:25):
sit and laugh and drink and havea great time and I'm like, our
beef is never with the otherpeople, it's always with
horrible, horrible leaders wholead their people down a certain
path and 99 times out of 100,they are men, men, men, men, men
.
No wait.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm sorry, I can't.
I understand what you're comingfrom.
What you're saying is thatthere are a small percentage
that lead people to do badthings.
I cannot let slide the ideathat my beef is not with other
people.
My beef is with other people.
The idea that my beef is notwith other people.
My beef is with other people,and maybe I don't have to hate
them Usually I do but there areplenty of people in the country

(37:08):
who feel like I shouldn't beallowed to control my body.
I shouldn't be allowed to be asingle woman and have a bank
account and live by myself andnot have children.
Their opinion is I should beobligated to be married and have
children, and whether that isbecause their leaders are
telling them that or becausethey've been brainwashed or

(37:29):
whatever else, we want to saythey hold those beliefs.
I do have a beef with them.
I will not sit down with themand-.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
In fairness, I've been working on Coach Castleton
and he's come a long way interms of gender.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh boy, I'm really sticking, my way.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I hear you totally and I get it and I agree.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I feel like we want so badly to say it is a few
bad apples.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I'm saying, geopolitically, you're talking
about a regime and not a people,a people Like a country full of
people.
You're not against the peopleof X, you're not against the
people of China, if you disagreewith Xi Jinping.
When you look at Russia,vladimir Putin is a nightmare
and a war criminal and thepeople that even showed up to

(38:19):
memorialize Alexei Navalny weresubject to imprisonment.
So it's not the Russian peoplethat were.
Again, I'm saying the people inyour example, boss.
Yes, there are politicalmovements and there are members
of political movements who arefurthering the anti-feminist

(38:39):
goals and trying to turn backthe wheel of time and, yes, we
are in direct opposition to themas a movement.
But I always say that this isfrom a I just I hate to.
It's so easy to take these bigbroad swings when we're talking

(38:59):
about geopolitical issues andsay, oh, now we're mad at Israel
Without Netanyahu.
I don't know if we're that madat Israel.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I guess it's like groups of people, right?
So there's a nation that's away of looking at group people
and there's sort of like peoplewho are affiliated, based on
whatever belief system orwhatever.
I hear boss saying if you wentto church last sunday and the
person at the front of thechurch said any version of these

(39:38):
people, because they don'tdress the way we tell them or
act like we tell them, or kisswho we tell them or have a baby
when we tell them, we're goingto condemn them or whatever else
we're going to do to them.
And you came back next sunday.
You gotta own that, you're partof that, and you don't get to
say oh, it wasn't my sermon,like yeah, but you're, you're

(40:00):
there, you're part of it, you'removing on to me.
It's like when people would say, well, trump isn't my president
and I was like I got bad newsfor you.
Like I get what you mean by that, but the truth of the matter is
we roll the ball out there andsomehow they fucking won the
game, and so that's what it is.

(40:21):
Yeah, and so I think I hearboth of you and I.
What you're saying about israelholds for me, but I I do think
we can.
To me it's like the people whosay like, oh, such and such a
leader is the reason thatwhatever and they use trump as
another.
An example again oh, look whathe's awakened in America.
I'm like that's a lot of people, yo, yeah, like I think he's

(40:44):
influential, but like that's alot.
You can't tell he didn't justmanufacture that out of a bunch
of Mr Rogers and shit.
And then he showed up and theneverybody went fucking crazy.
Like they were pretty close tothat line to start out.
Well, they were just hiddenbefore.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
They were pretty close to that line to start out.
Well, they were just hidden.
They were just hidden before.
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't the onethat made them that way, he's
the one that uncovered that theywere happy to take their their
pointy hoods off and, um, yeah,whatever, yeah, right and I have
mentioned this before, I think,um castleton, what you were
saying is I I would never say ohwell, I hate everybody from
uruguay, like I don't knoweverybody from uruguay.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I can't fucking say shit about that.
I can't even say that I hateeverybody from Uruguay, like I
don't know everybody fromUruguay.
I can't fucking say shit aboutthat.
I can't even say that I hateeverybody from Indiana, even
though there's plenty of partsof Indiana and I'm like, hey,
fuck you guys.
But the point of this is, Ithink that we have lost the
ability to accurately evaluatewhat we think important criteria
is.
So if you were born in the cityof Chicago, that doesn't tell

(41:41):
me much about who you are as aperson other than the fact that
at some point your parentspopped you out in Chicago.
If you are a member of the NRA,that tells me something
different about you and I canform an opinion based on that.
And I can't say well, I knowfor a fact that they're a
horrible person.
I know people like people I loveare members of the NRA because
they like shooting guns, andwhat they will tell you is

(42:03):
shooting guns is fun and goingto the gun range is fucking fun.
Like one of my best friend'shusband says, I'm not going to
be able to protect anybody Ifsomebody comes through the front
door.
That's not why I have guns, itis not for protection, it is
because I like shooting guns.
I'm like got gotcha.
I can't argue with that.
That makes sense.
I don't like guns, but I don'tcare that you like guns, so we

(42:24):
can evaluate what people aresaying, what their affiliations
are, and then say that we formopinions on that.
And so this idea that, like you, can't make sweeping
generalizations about a group,it depends on the generalization
and it depends on the group.
Sometimes those things areabsolutely accurate and we
shouldn't pretend that it'smorally bad to do that.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
No, no, no, it's not that it's morally bad, it's just
that who decides right, like,by your, the guy that's a friend
of your friend, by yourdefinition, that guy is actually
paying money to support anorganization that has put
politicians in place to activelyundo your rights and has been
successful in it.
So by that, that definition,which is your definition, and by

(43:09):
coach's definition of sayinglike, oh, if they said you know
there's some, some intolerancein church, you shouldn't go back
.
The NRA is the most furtheringand they have opposed every bill
to protect us from guns sincetime immemorial.
So is that guy your enemy then?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I didn't say he was my enemy.
I didn't say that that was thegeneralization that I was making
.
What I said is that I couldmake a generalization about him.
What my generalization could beis that he values having access
to the things that the NRA givehim more than he values the bad
things that the NRA is doing.
And I could make that judgmentabout him and I could say I
understand that part of you as aperson and I could weigh all of

(43:52):
the other things that I knowabout you and I could decide how
to interact with you based onall of that information.
But the generalization is he ispaying money to support an
organization that will notprotect us from gun violence,
that exposes us to gun violence.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I can know that fact about him Actively works against
protections.
Yes, any possible protectionswhere children are being
slaughtered.
He is paying money to help.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yes, and I know that fact about him, yeah, and I can
make that judgment.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I grew up in a military family and I remember
one of the first things Ilearned was the NRA was on our
side and fighting for all of ourrights.
I remember when I first joinedthe NRA I was probably let's see
, I was young, 14, 15, 14, 15somewhere there and I remember
my friends deciding should I geta life membership it'll be

(44:44):
cheaper or should I get thething?
And I was like I have like,whatever the 12 fee is, I was
like, all right, I guess thisyear I don't fuck, and I
couldn't get out of it fastenough once I had any
understanding of you know what Imean where you just go, holy
shit, but it's it's, it's a wayof life for some people.
And that doesn't again doesn'tmean uh, the, the, these the

(45:05):
people are are, um, you know, uh, again, black and white, bad in
that way.
It.
It just means that thecomplexity is is difficult for a
lot of people to understand andsort of generate an active

(45:26):
personal plan off of, if thatmakes any sense.
You take all of thesecomplexities and then you ingest
all of them and then you gookay, now I got to move around a
minute Like, hey, how do I feelabout this.
Some people will be like well,I've been in the NRA my whole
life.
The NRA in my local town is allthe best people.
It's all the sheriff,firefighter, everybody that
works in the town.
They can't go like oh, whatdoes this mean on a global scale

(45:49):
?
Or whatever.
They can't process theinformation and make it make
sense.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I hear you that they have that challenge.
It's funny because I'mlistening to both of you and
hearing both of you and thinkinglike, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's, I guess, a bunch ofgray there.
I think what you're sayingabout the NRA is interesting.
I think it's possible to say myvalue in terms of my value,

(46:16):
just a person in terms of myvalues, prioritizing as I'm
making my decision on who'sgoing to get my money, who's
going to get my vote, who'sgoing to get my vocal support,
who's just going to have me sayout loud in a group of people
I'm a member of that group.
If I lend all that to the NRA,I have, by definition, made that

(46:41):
value judgment and I thinksometimes what can be dangerous
when we want to make sure, oh,the humanity of everybody, is
that we kind of make it likewell, if we like you, you
haven't made that decision, butif we don't like you, then
you're the one to blame for thatdecision.
I'm like well, you know whatthis is.

(47:03):
So if you join in, you get all.
I remember when Bernie Sanderswas my guy, I remember somebody
was you know and I wascomplaining about other
candidates and they saidwhatever they said they weren't
owning the, the consequence ofwhat they were saying.
I said listen, let me tell yousomething.
I'm be pissed off at bernie winand he come and chop up our

(47:27):
money because he coming for thatmother yeah, I'm telling you
now my wife's a lawyer and hecoming for this motherfucking
money and that's my money.
I'll be mad.
But guess what?
I have decided that I can workthrough my mad because I want to
make sure no little kid ishungry.
I have decided I can make itthrough that mad because, rather
than us honking each other orget mad at the police for not

(47:51):
dealing with certain trafficissues, that we should be
dealing with infrastructure sothat we have enough room for all
the motherfucking cars we nowhave.
So I'm not going to enjoygiving the government my money,
but I have decided it's moreimportant and I do think we have
to hold people responsible forthat part.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree, I think.
Also, I like what you saidabout when you like somebody
Like I think that it isincredibly important to
accurately assess people'sactions, despite your feelings
for them.
So it just to make this asneutral as possible.
Gretchen Cutler from you're theworst is one of my favorite

(48:33):
people ever.
Just a couple of weeks ago Ican't remember what it was, but
I was texting with my oldersister and she was like oh yeah,
chambers will take a bullet forGretchen.
And that is true, I would takea bullet for the bitch.
She's a fictional character andI fucking love her.
She is a horrible person.
She is on a show called You'rethe Worst.
She does terrible things.
She lies to people, she abusesthem.

(48:54):
She is selfish.
She at one point during a manicepisode, tells all of the people
closest to her all of the worstthings about them, like she's.
She is a bad person and I loveher.
And neither one of those thingscancels out the other one.
Like, because I love herdoesn't mean that she is doing
things that are good, andbecause she's doing bad things,

(49:16):
I don't hate her.
I like her because I thinkshe's smart and funny and bitchy
and that's my jam.
So I'm not saying thateverybody has necessarily the
insight into separate those twothings.
If you like somebody, you thinkthey're good, and if you think
they're good, you like them.
But I do think that it would bea better model if more people
were able to separate theirpersonal feelings on someone

(49:38):
with how that person is actuallybehaving and you think that's
like like um, I think I thinkwe're seeing some of that.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I mean, you're talking about like in politics
or in politics and in generalhow is that?
How does that play out?
Uh like, where's the like forsomeone?
Is it, is it for?
Yeah, it's for everyone.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I think that there are a lot of people who would
say, oh well, my best friend,yeah, I mean, I know that she
left her two children and moveddown south to Florida, but she's
a really good person, she hassuch a good heart and she really
wants things to be better.
And I'm like, yeah, but thatbitch left her two kids.
So like I don't know what totell you.

(50:24):
Like you cannot excusesomebody's behavior and you
can't say that they, regardlessof it's a politician, if it is a
movie star, if it is somebodyin your life, if you would hold
somebody else accountable forthe actions that that person
does and you do not hold themaccountable because you like

(50:45):
them, you are doing everybody aninjustice.
You are giving somebodypreferential treatment because
you personally care about them,instead of dealing with the
actual consequences of theiractions.
Like, I'm not going to hatesomebody If my best friend
cheats on her husband, I'm notgoing to hate her.
I'm going to say, like I don'tknow, let's figure this shit out

(51:06):
.
But I'm also not going to saylike, oh, why is her husband mad
Just because she cheated on him?
Come on, what's your problem?
What's your problem, dude?

Speaker 3 (51:18):
It's interesting.
I mean, obviously I startedthis shit show of personal
opinions and talking about theMiddle East, which is clearly
not why we were gathered here,but there's actually some stuff
in this episode as we've beentouching a few things I've been
like, interestingly, there's atleast one very big connection to

(51:40):
this conversation to bediscussed here.
So I don't know if you want tojump in there and use that as a
no we have all of this asbackground on this conversation
and jump in, or or not, coach,but I'm glad we did this.
I got to admit.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, I think, I think it's been hovering there
in the, in the, in the wings fora little bit.
We, we appreciate it, it'simportant, uh, it's important
stuff and um, you know, forpeople, um, yeah, I'll leave it
at that.
I'll leave it at that and we'lljump in.
Uh, it's, it's it's.

(52:18):
There's a lot of complexity tothe, to the modern world, and um
, this is why nostalgia feels sogood.
It's because you can simplifyit in the past.
You know what I mean.
Go ahead, boss.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
What were you going to say?
I was talking to a friend theother night.
I put this on threads, so atthe end of the show, when I tell
you where it is, you can gofind it.
I like that you said this iswhy nostalgia feels so good,
Because that is almostuniversally a truth.
Except while I was talking tothis friend she said I don't

(52:52):
want to hang out with people whothought their childhoods were
good, and I was like I saw thatyou posted that.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I saw that you posted that and I liked it, not
because I don't, but I liked itbecause it was such an
appropriate thing for you topost and, like I said, I want
everybody to be their fullselves and I was like I 100 get
that, having gotten to know boss, she means that shit and okay,

(53:19):
that's fair, I really, I really.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
When she said it, I was like, oh fuck, yeah, no,
that is, that is absolutely true, that I don't want to hang out
with people with otherchildhoods for good.
I don't, I don't.
What would we talk about?
Like fucking, I don't even knowit is.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Um, yeah, it's funny and right.
Uh, it's so interesting becausein the time that, uh so when I
was first divorced, um, I had toleave, uh, los angeles, and and
so it was, I was so broken, Iwas so destroyed and and I let
some friendships go and I didn'tknow I had ADHD.

(53:57):
Now that I that I know this wasdiagnosed later, I realized,
like you know, I couldn't keep alot of these things up.
So when I went back thisweekend, I was at this party
with coach and I don't know whyit happened this weekend, maybe
it's just the people that wereat this party, but some of the
people I let go were at theparty and I had a lot of anxiety

(54:19):
heading into it, not coachlevel anxiety.
Just like I better prep myself,I'm going to see some of these
people, one of what?
One of whom was a guy, uh, hisname is james, and I used to
play tennis with him every weekbefore I left and had had not
talked to him I don't think Iknew that no, I had not talked
to him, holy shit.
And we were close, we were, weplayed tennis every week and we

(54:39):
were friends and we and uh, wehad this tuesday night thing
where he would come over in thiscrew of people that would watch
uh, I would pick a show orsomething like that and, um, at
tuesday night and we would allget together and have a tuesday
night like thing.
It was just great.
It was just this great anyway,great tradition, um, so I hadn't
seen him and he's there withhis wife at this party and I

(55:01):
walk up to him and, uh,nervously tap him on the
shoulder and he turns around, helooks at me and he goes, oh,
fuck you man.
And gives me the biggest hug.
He just was, like, it was sogreat.
And then we had the best time.
He tells me oh, like four yearsago I was diagnosed with adhd

(55:21):
and we realized like, oh, nowonder we haven't reached out
because fucking, out of sight,out of mind, two complete idiots
.
But we've basically been livingparallel lives.
He's gone through a lot of thesame stuff, diagnosis wise, as I
have with some of my children,and it was really great.
And so then at the end of thenight he had to get back,
leaving with his wife.
And he stands up and herealizes, in that we had the

(55:42):
best time, the best timetogether, nonstop laughing, you
know, like just just right backinto it after 15 years, which is
which is amazing and he standsup to walk away and realize, oh,
the last time I walked awayfrom from, from me, um, I didn't
see you for 15 years.
So he gets up and then he looksat me and he's like about to

(56:04):
say something profound and hegot, and he just gives me the
finger and he goes fuck you.
And I was like, it was so myjam, I was made me so happy.
I've been like thrilled aboutit the entire time.
But again, it's maturity andit's like, you know, it's comedy
in the face of of all of thatstuff.

(56:26):
But it's exactly, we've come,we've all come so far and, and
people, you get to a point whereyou can start to put it in
perspective and you know it, itjust it's just.
You know, once upon a timemaybe there'd be anger or
resentment, or you know what Imean.
It's like at this age.
There's a certain thing whereand he wasn't the only one
everybody that I bumped intothat night was where and he

(56:46):
wasn't the only one.
Everybody that I bumped intothat night was fantastic and had
moved.
You know, whatever, there's noroom for anybody else.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
If I had known, he was going to be there, I
wouldn't have gone, but whatever, I was already there.
I had already paid for the lift.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, yeah, no thanks , I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
It strikes me that once I had this person was a
mentor to me.
I've since lost her, but shewas a mentor to me.
She said if you look at theblack community as a depressed
person, it makes a lot moresense.
And I was like, oh shit.
Like as soon as she said it, Iwas like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
God, I remember you saying that yeah, yeah, no,
that's a great.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I mean, it's like that's super insightful, like
poof and watching recently,certainly on the Jewish side of
things, because I have severalJewish friends who I've been
trying to check in with and belike, okay, this is your friend,
orlando.
I'm waving my hands, I don'thave the.
You know, nobody talked aboutthis around my dinner table, but
I'm asking you a question.

(57:42):
It is clear to me the trauma ofthe Jewish community and,
having done a ton of trauma workof my own, I'm like, first of
all, they can't even hear, and Idon't mean that in a bad way, I
mean that I went through thisshit over my sister getting

(58:03):
bitten by a dog, not theHolocaust.
So I'm not, I am not minimizing, I'm like you can't even hear,
you can't.
You're like nope, danger, fuckthis shit.
I don't give a fuck danger.
Like that's where you go off onit with a trauma response or
not the only place, but it's aplace and I think we end up
seeing a lot of that and and Iand I wish we could be more like

(58:27):
you and James to say it sucks.
15 years passing sucks.
But if we're both honest, weboth know how to use a phone.
Neither one of us called and sohere we are and we have a
decision to make.
We can either have a big hugand have a good night or we can

(58:49):
stand around and act likedickheads and talk to other
people in the party about whatan asshole the other ones be.
I mean, we're choosing.
I'm not somebody who's like, ohwell, if you were abused, then
you really spiritually chosethat.
That stuff makes me crazy.
But I'm saying we do make someactual choices and we can choose

(59:10):
to hug sometimes, like notalways, sometimes not the
appropriate time for a hug, butwhen.
But when it works.
I think we should try it moreoften and it just it's.
It's striking to me how easy itis to not to to hold that
grudge.
Oh so I saw somebody postedlike none of my friends called

(59:32):
when I was recovering from blah,blah, blah surgery and the
people who didn't call or checkon me are all blocked.
And I was like, oh my God, likeI don't even know you, sir, and
I just want to be like unblockthose people.
You have no idea, you don'tknow what's going on with them.
I give them love yeah, givethem love.

(59:57):
I have a friend.
I still feel terrible.
Years ago she was in thehospital it was just after my
mom had died and some other shithappened and I couldn't fucking
do it.
I didn't mean to not be able todo it, but I never went and
visited and I've felt shittyabout that for over a decade.
But you know, at some point Iwent and I said, hey, you know,

(01:00:19):
you know, I care, you know I'msorry, that was fucked up.
I needed to like work throughmy shit, but that's where I was,
I'm sorry.
And we're still still likesister and brother, like I don't
know, like I think it's we gotto do better with that moment.
Man, fuck you and a hug.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Okay, that's fine, but let's, let's get the hugging
well, that that's the, that'sthe high water mark, like that's
as good as it gets, and becausethat was like it was fuck you
man a hug and then like 45, no,like maybe more than an hour and
an hour and 15 minutes of like,like my sides hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I was laughing coach isn't telling the whole story,
by the way, because by the endof the night james, who I also
know, walked up to me and saidoh yeah, I'm gonna be doing some
merchandise stuff for your teamand I was like well, it's nice
to talk to you, james.
I assume Flo already negotiatedwith you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I was like what are you talking about?
I haven't seen you in years.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
So when Coach says they hit it off, they hit it off
.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
They were talking about everything under the sun,
to the point where our friendwho's in merchandising is like,
yeah, give me a call I want totalk a little bit about party
dynamics, because this is thisis something I think, uh, look,
both of you will have a insightinto when the party started.
So I flew out for this party,um, and it was a friend, uh was
selling a house in los angeles.

(01:01:44):
They now live in santa fe, butthey had bought a house in la,
and all of us back then 20 yearsago, this whole crew of people
that were in the film industrywe just had some great times in
that house and it was like a wayto say goodbye to the house and
also see everybody that was inthat crew back then.
And when the party started, alot of the people that had shown

(01:02:05):
up.
I didn't really know and I wasfeeling a little bit like, uh,
overstimulated at the verybeginning, and so I had
volunteered to do some help.
They needed some help.
I was the first one therebecause I wanted to see the
husband and wife who werehosting the party and have a
little like face time with them.
Before, you know, before I,like before it got crazy and
they were in the middle of likegetting ready and they needed me

(01:02:25):
to do a couple things, I said,great, yeah, I'd love to.
I love helping out.
So I was doing some stuff andkind of hiding a little bit, I
wasn't ready to be likeextroverted, if that makes any
sense.
And then so the people thatshowed up, I got like I was like
, ah, this is not I don't know.
I didn't know a lot of them andit was, but I felt like

(01:02:50):
overstimulated.
So I went outside and there waslike a little seating area out,
kind of hidden in the corner,and so I went to the hidden
corner seating area and I satdown by myself and I was just
like.
I just like took a little breathand was looking at some texts
from my kids and then like acouple comes over and I'm like
god damn, because, like I waslike all right shit, like I was
trying to be like a book, comesover and I'm like God damn it,
cause, like I was like all rightshit, like I was trying to be
like a book on a plane kind ofthing, like I am otherwise,

(01:03:13):
whatever.
And they and they were like oh,we don't want to interrupt you,
we're just going to say it, wewanted to get a little air and
we'll sit near you and whatever.
I was like okay, great.
Like don't, don't, let us botheryou.

(01:03:33):
Oh, my gosh shit.
So, and how do you know that?
Oh, god damn it, I got a human.
Now I got a human, exactly so,and, and they were actually
lovely.
The two of them were very, very.
Yeah, no, it's no reflection onthem, but yeah, I get it, they
were, they were fine and and anduh, to her credit, uh, and I
told her this later in the nightuh, like she was asking like
really fun questions, so shewasn't saying, like what do you
do?
She's like okay, so we just met,like what's your favorite place

(01:03:54):
in the world to vacation?
Or where it is like what's yourdream place to visit?
Like that's how she started.
And then she told me she's like, oh, she'd been reading or
listening to a podcast about,like, uh, ice breakers or
something so, and I was like, oh, good for you.
Like I told her this later inthe night, but, um, I didn't
know who these people were.
And then this other dude showedup and he was.
He was like what I had beenrunning from and didn't know it.

(01:04:17):
It's like death chasing you.
And he was like all about whatyou're talking about.
You know, I'm talking, I know,I know don't say anything else
I'm not gonna say his name.
He was like he introducedhimself to the other guy, like
the, the member of the couple Iwas talking to, and he was like
started talking about um, oh myGod, he's like I run, I own like

(01:04:38):
these investment companies andlike, yeah, boss is already
shaking her head.
It was so bad, boss.
But it was like he was like, oh, where do you work?
And the guy's like, oh, I'm amechanic at this, whatever this
startup that does ev vehicles.
And he's like, well, do youguys sell medium grade?
I need to buy 39 medium gradevans because I, I'm all about,

(01:04:59):
because, like, one of mycompanies does the grid of some,
and I was like it was so gross,it was the grossest thing ever.
Um, and so imagine me beinggrossed out trying to like I'm
just like silent, you know,stuck between these people that
are talking, and had to figureout a way to like gently ease

(01:05:19):
myself out of there and and, um,and then, lo and behold, like
four minutes later I get a tapon the shoulder and it's coach,
and coach is there and you gofrom like oh, I didn't know, I
didn't.
I was waiting to see because Iwas like, oh, I'm trying to
remember, so that's when I wasgetting there, it was like,
right, when you're getting there, yeah, and it was like I had

(01:05:40):
luckily found some people inthat in the meantime.
But it went from like really,really isolated and sort of like
, oh god, I'm on.
You know that, that terriblething, when your introversion
side kicks in, like if you're in, you know it depends on, they
say like what, what rechargesyou?
Are you recharged by otherpeople or are you recharged by
being alone?
And in that moment, um, there'salso introverted, extrovert,

(01:06:03):
which I don't really know whatthe actual definition of it is I
think it's ambivert is the isthat what they call it?
yeah I get recharged.
That's where I fall.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Yeah, that's, that's where I am yeah, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
But I was like very much like, oh god, this is awful
.
And then, you know, a fewminutes later I feel like I
couldn't be more safe.
You know what I mean?
I couldn't be happier and moresafe.
And I want to share a tinylittle anecdote about coach,
because I had him dying,laughing as I'm hanging out with
him and I study everything andand watch everybody.

(01:06:36):
Um, and coach is so fuckingfunny, because do you know what
I'm saying, what I'm about tosay?
I noticed he does a thing.
He's the best person to have ata party, because someone will
walk by right and we'll besitting talking and they'll say
something to me, or they saysomebody, somebody near us, it

(01:06:57):
doesn't matter whatever and thencoach will flash a trillion
dollar smile and say somethingsuper nice and as they go, so
it's like they'd walk by and andthey'd wave or something like
that, and coach would be likehey, hey, good to see you over
there, all right, like whatever.
And I go and then I watchsomebody else, the people are

(01:07:17):
leaving and they go by and likesay bye to a bunch of people and
buy the coach on the way out,and they don't know, they don't
know who they don't know and buthe makes them feel like he
knows.
He's's like hey, I'm so happyyou came out tonight.
This is really great.
And I'm like he doesn't knowthose people.
He has no fucking idea whothese people are, but he treats
them like family.

(01:07:37):
I was like this guy is the best.
I'm not trying to trick them,it's not really where I'm like
yeah, yeah, yeah, you're justnice, you're just super kind and
you're like hey, we're all heretogether, great to see you.
It doesn't overdo it, it's notlike that, it's just a little
head nod or whatever it is, butit's like it is so welcoming and
wonderful and I was like I lovethis guy.

(01:07:58):
He's so great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It was good to see, it was good to hang out.
It's interesting all of thestuff we've talked about.
You're one of three people thatnight who I had some version of
the overstimulated conversationwith, and I was like you know
what's really in this room?

(01:08:20):
A lot of goddamn therapy, like Idon't know what everybody's
been doing, but somehow none ofus felt the need to just start
guzzling alcohol and nobodyacted like I think, like we did
all we did.
We did some growing up.
I think there was a lot oftherapy in that room and and
boss is nodding, so I think sheshe's with me on that, but it's

(01:08:41):
fascinating to me once we dolike, because you know what I
mean like there's a lot of work.
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Somebody you know, a mutualfriend, said to me I'm feeling a
little stimulated in here and Iliterally I didn't do it on
purpose, but I literally took astep back from her and then was
like you want to head outside?
And then she was like no, no, Ithink I'm okay, you know, I
mean, but like immediately, likeit wasn't like oh, you know

(01:09:04):
it's like oh, no, no, no, we'renot going to do that to you
tonight.
You're going to have a pleasantevening and we just all were.
So I think there's a lot ofthat felt nice.
That did feel nice.
It felt like it was the kind ofroom where you could bring
somebody over and we'd betalking, you'd go he has ADHD
too and we're all like no shitman, we actually said that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I literally said that , yeah, no, right, like as it
feels, like, oh good, it's all,it's all.
There was one one moment.
You're exactly right, coach.
There's one moment I wastalking to um, a woman who, uh,
married one of our friends andthey had just gotten married
right before I left, so I didn'tget a lot of time to know her
and they have kids about thesame age as mine and I was, I
don't.
I mentioned, oh, my daughter'sin an all-girls school and she,
she's like, oh, my daughter's inan all-girls school and she's
like some people really don'tlike that, because, you know.

(01:09:51):
And I was like, yeah, because Iwas like boys fucking suck, I
don't like it's so much betterwithout them.
How long can we keep them awayfrom that kind of trauma?
And she laughed her head offand was like, oh, thank God, you
know what I mean.
It's just this really open.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Listen, if co-ed meant with bears, maybe she'd
feel different, seriously,seriously.
They've studied it and you knowthat co-education benefits.
It's like marriage, basicallySingle gender, however you want
to frame it, education.

(01:10:31):
Actually, I wish I couldremember like the details of
what better meant, becauseobviously, but like what's
better in this study in terms ofthe girl students but not for
the boy students.
I thought that was sointeresting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I think that was like totally fascinating, but yeah,
um, so yeah, anyway I neverthought one of my children would
go to like a single genderschool and but now I'm like, I'm
like giddy about it, like Ijust see these girls and I'm
like oh my god, I've switched upon that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
My big thing on everything was was one reason I
was glad I went to poly was likewell, I'm going to have to deal
with white people at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
You know what I mean Mulligan will get it out of the
way.
Let's figure this shit out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
There we go.
Okay, Note to self.
That's what a mulligan is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
That's advanced white people.
I didn't learn that.
I didn learn that when I was akid, as a white person.
That wasn't until I was olderyeah, I mean jesus christ and
then you taste your first ginand tonic and you're like why?
Why is white supremacy a thing?
This doesn't make make anysense.

(01:11:47):
This is far and away not thesupreme version of anything On
that note, actually, since Ijust ridiculed gin and tonics
but legitimately they do tastebad.
This is going to sound weird.
Number one I'm very glad thatboth of you boys had a great
time at the party.
I'm very glad that it went well.
I also I know that this isgoing to sound weird.

(01:12:10):
I would not want to talk tothat guy.
That was like oh, I'm an hedgeinvestor.
I wouldn't want to talk to thatguy either.
I wouldn't.
I'm not pretending that hewould be my best friend.
I would like to say that what Ilike most about a majority of
what I'm hearing from the partyis that it was good for you guys
, and I think that that's goingto be one of the most key things

(01:12:30):
for people becoming grownupsand recognizing that just
because they like somethingdoesn't mean everybody else has
to like something that guyshould have known not to talk to
people about pants.
But there are other times wheresomebody might only want to
talk about their career, likemaybe they've just had a real
significant breakthrough and ifyou ask them what they were

(01:12:51):
doing, what their livelihood is,they would be thrilled to talk
about it.
So I think it's.
I don't want to say that thereis a moral judgment on talking
about things or not talkingthings, or getting drunk or not
getting drunk.
You should find what's good foryou and then not worry about
what's good for other people.
And I'm not saying that to youtoo individually, I'm saying

(01:13:11):
that in general.
Like, like this is this is partof the problem with everybody
in the country is thatsomebody's like well, I'm a stay
at home mom with four kids andI love it, so everyone should do
that.
And I'm like nope, even to thepoint of I am so thrilled that
your daughter loves her.
All girls college.
If somebody else doesn't wantto do that, it's not that one or
the other is better, it'sfinding what makes you freer,

(01:13:35):
what makes you happier, whatmakes you more yourself never
comes at the expense of otherpeople having to do that same
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
I love that you said that, because now this is very
much an outsider view, so it's abit like either of you jumping
into an argument about theN-word, like maybe you said this
one, so I'm acknowledging thatone up front.
But when I see women go aftereach other about choosing home

(01:14:03):
or career to really sort, ofdrill it down.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Oh, my fucking God.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I'm like, is that?
The whole point that you can dowhatever the fuck you want,
Like why are you beating up oneach other for?
A bullshit choice no one shouldhave been asked to make in the
first place.
It's very.
It makes me sad because I'mlike that's just like I often
dismiss, hurt people, hurtpeople because I'm like all

(01:14:28):
right, like, but you know youneed go there but you need to
get over there, you need to getyourself there but that is
definitely one place where I seea hurt people, hurt people
dynamic, because I'm like, why,why, why so?
and, I think, angry becauseyou've been made to feel bad
about your choice.
So then you have to get morestrident about your choice.
So right, you know, but I lovewhat you just said.

(01:14:49):
If you will stay home with yourkids, stay home with your kids
I saw somebody mocking a man whowas you know.
Basically he's gonna marry thiswoman and want to be a house
husband.
That's my reaction was like forhim if that's you, do your shit
and um it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Just we can't I, we cannot unpack all of it, but I
will say that I firmly believe alarge part of the divide and
I'm doing that in scare quotesbecause this is an audio medium
Part of the divide is that ifyou can convince somebody else,
convince somebody that theirenemy is somebody else, if you

(01:15:28):
create these divisions, peopleare easier to control.
That doesn't mean that you haveto like the person that is mad
at you because of your side ofthe division.
It doesn't mean that I shouldsay to the woman who doesn't
want me to get an abortion youand I are besties and it's the
higher powers that are making usdo this.
I can say no, you don't get tochoose that for me and

(01:15:48):
understand her position.
This is a thing that I havesaid repeatedly.
Patriarchy isn't about how menact.
It's how society treats womenand also men and everyone but
treats right, but yes.
Like.
I got into a discussion acouple of weeks ago with the

(01:16:10):
boyfriend about why it is such ahindrance that women are judged
by their looks as much as theyare, and he said something to
the effect he tried to becausethe guys on the spectrum and
sometimes you need to explainthings to him in different ways
he came at it from a well if, if, being better looking gets you

(01:16:30):
a better mate, if it's this likesex thing, and I was like no,
no, no, no, no.
That's a very, very small partof society.
Having a mate and having asexual partner is a tiny bit of
what women face when they arenot considered conventionally
attractive.
It's not about her husband,it's about her entire life.
And he was like, well, shemight.

(01:16:55):
I was like nope, nope, it isn'tabout what individually happens
to her, it is how we treat allof the people.
We need to get that shitstraight.
The reason that there is adivide between stay-at-home moms
and working moms and child-freewomen is because we want to
dictate what women do more thanwe care what they end up doing,
and so we need to make sure thatwe aren't putting those same

(01:17:18):
judgments on things when theydon't matter.
When they matter, judge.
When they don't matter, who thefuck cares?
Who the fuck cares.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Yeah, yes To everything you just said and I
love framing it as in terms ofthis, that it really is about
the structure.
I know people have had thisstuff about CRT and other stuff,
but I think one of the reasonsthose kinds of of theories and

(01:17:54):
ways of thinking and areas ofstudy get pummeled, frankly,
like I remember when I was incollege, I feel like women's
studies really took a lot ofshit.
I feel like just took some shit,like it wasn't anything
specific.
I don't remember anybody havinglike a rally or trashing their
offices or anything.
But I'm just saying like this,and I think in part because the

(01:18:17):
last motherfucking thing I want,as an american man, is for
anybody to sit down and figureout the fucking code to the
bullshit that has me sitting ontop and I and I just and I and I
think there's so much of thatand I wish, I wish we were
smarter about looking at systemsand and I think that's part of

(01:18:40):
what Coach was pointing toearlier about, look, you've got
these leaders and, yes, I wishwe were smarter about looking at
systems and I wish we were morehonest about how easy it is for
us to be a part of certainsystems.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Because I think a lot like for you.
Oh, there's this genderinequality.
Oh, coach castleton and coachbishop are gonna tsk, tsk for 40
minutes now about but like, butwhat's the shit?
You do right to either supportthat or to not fight it.

(01:19:16):
You know, know what I mean.
On a like consistently, whereare you?
In all that?
I feel like we're awfully goodat going like hey man, I never
raped anybody, so I'm going togo grab lunch and when I get
back, I guess you'll be donewith the gender conversation.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Don't go anywhere.
Yet.
What you said, that's a totallyreal thing and impacts people's

(01:19:38):
livelihood who we hire, who wepromote, who we mentor.
And you got to check yourself.
You got to ask yourself, like,is it a coincidence that this
person is beautiful and I wantto help them?
Or is there something in methat wants to help them because
they're beautiful and you mighthave to figure out how to

(01:20:02):
balance that shit?

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
I mean, you just have to and I'll add, just because a
lot of this stuff is soinsidious um, there is a chance,
not a chance.
There is a definite correlationbetween people being more
attractive and other peoplewanting their attention more and

(01:20:24):
then them becoming moresocially adept.
Like, I am not saying, goodlooking people are routinely
presented with an opportunity tolearn how to talk to new people
and be comfortable doing that,because people are coming up to
you all the time.
You get better at it.

(01:20:44):
I'm talking about a fuckingmotorcycle going past.
God damn it, sorry, just likethe actual practice of it.
If people are continuallytrying to get your attention,
you figure out sometimes how todo that better.
So, like there are so manyfucking layers to this shit
where, like, good-looking peoplesometimes are really

(01:21:05):
charismatic because they aregood-looking, and we need to
take that into account also Ithink it's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
That's a really good point.
It reminds me of um in malcolmgladwell's outliers, which
sounded a little more pompousthan I intended for it to.
I'm not sure why that soundedterrible Like I wanted to punch
myself in the face, I think itwas Malcolm Gladwell, exactly.
I'm like oh oh, but anyway, hetalked specifically all sorts of

(01:21:33):
interesting ones, but he talkedabout the hockey players and
that, because of where thecutoff date was, they were
finding that a disproportionatenumber of like the best hockey
players were born in January.
They're like what the fuck?
Or it could have been adifferent month.
I'm pretty sure it was January,and what was happening is that

(01:21:53):
December 31st was the cutoffdate, so the January babies were
all the fucking oldest, andwhen you've got kids, that
probably means they were alsothe biggest and the fastest and
maybe the most experienced.
Then what would happen?
This is to your point, boss.
Because they were good, whathappened?
They got more playing time andthen, because they got more

(01:22:14):
playing time, it got even better.
Then they made the all-starteam.
Now they've got regularpractices, regular games,
all-star practice, all-stargames, right, and the confidence
boost of all that.
So yeah, but until we get tothe NHL, all our birthdays fall
before Valentine's Day and we'reall like, oh, I don't know,
maybe it's because we'reCapricorns.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
I have no idea.
Yeahricorns are Gemini's greatat hockey.
I don't know if either of thoselet's go there.
Boys.
Come on now, boys.
Oh, maybe that's it.
Everyone in Canada is actuallyborn before January 5th.
They're very efficient, so theyjust get all the births in
right at the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
All right, let's dump and chase.
Now, boys, I am so, listen,it's playoff hockey time.
I it's now, boys.
I am so, listen, it's playoffhockey time.
I can't.
I, you should not havementioned hockey players.
Last night I watched as theBruins tried to to to close out
the Toronto Maple Leafs.
And you want to talk aboutirrational dislike for a team.
I still I don't like the MapleLeafs because of a guy of a

(01:23:14):
Maple Leaf who retired 25 yearsago.
Like, just, it's not, notrational.
But the leaves came back inovertime and won, and so now we
move to game six.
But, um, but still, beautifulhockey, uh, hockey, playoffs.
I'm telling you, I know there'sa lot of people who don't watch
hockey, but holy moly, oh, mygod, uh, I need a fainting couch

(01:23:38):
.
It's such a great time of year.
Okay, we're going to.
I think we're going to put apin in the rest of this.
We were going to Listen, weannounced it like we were going
to talk about Wayne and we camein thinking we were going to
talk about Wayne.
And I know that, coach and Boss, this episode, the next episode
of Wayne, there is a lot totalk about.

(01:24:00):
Um, uh, in the off season,while I was in los angeles, uh
uh boss informed a coach and Ishe said oh yeah, I've watched
ahead.
I watched ahead with theboyfriend and she told me to get
my affairs in order.
That was a text I got becauseshe, because she's a lot of fun
to be around and likes to Iadded popcorn to my grocery list

(01:24:23):
.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I was like, oh yeah, there's going to be a show.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Even when she's not live and on the air, she likes
to always improve my mood.
I really appreciate that boss.
That's what.
I'm here for we're going toknock it around a little bit, um
, uh, but today we we started toget on a tear and I thought it
was important for us to uh, tocontinue the tear.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
sometimes, uh, sometimes you just that's the
way it's got to go I want you toknow, because I sent you that
mean text over the weekend.
I just refused to do a badrhyming joke, I.
I'm saving you from that and Ineed that to be on the record.
Oh, you were gonna do a badrhyming.
I was gonna do a bad rhymingjoke.
I'm saving you from that and Ineed that to be on the record.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Oh, you were going to do a bad rhyming joke.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I was going to do a bad rhyming joke.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Oh, thank you.
There's something reallybeautiful about what just
happened here, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I tried, we had a moment.
We had a moment.
All right, coach, where dopeople find you if they?

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
want to find you, find me in the community, I'll
be there.
No, uh, really it's been.
Uh, it really has been fun.
It really has been fun andeverything from absolute
silliness to people sharing somereally beautiful stories.
So come through, become abuttercup.
What about your boss?

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
uh, mostly on threads .
Um, you could find me it'semilychambers.31.
Uh, I am on blue sky a littlebit more and they've uh started
making vampire weekend jokesthere.
So I am on blue sky a littlebit more and they've uh started
making vampire weekend jokesthere.
So I'm going to be there alittle bit more on blue sky it's
dumbly chambers and and alsooccasionally, but not so
occasionally, writing at theantagonist, which is antagonist
blogcom.

(01:25:50):
I'm trying to get my life inorder in terms of being online.
Everybody wish me luck.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Good luck with that.
And yeah, that's it for ustoday.
We will actually do Wayne nexttime.
In the meantime, please supportyour local libraries and the
written word.
You know, one of our buttercupsposted a fantastic list of all
the books on Ted Lasso in aneffort to to support local
libraries, buttercup Brian.
He said hey, look at this listof all the you know it's of all

(01:26:20):
the books on Ted Lasso and thensome ancillary reading stuff,
sort of affiliated readings, allof which are available at your
local library, although some ofthem are coloring books.
So Ted Lasso, coloring books.
I think that might be aone-shot kind of deal, but in
general, yeah, please supportyour local libraries and the
written word and I guess, ifwe've, I might start tacking on

(01:26:44):
one more thing to my sign-off,which is raise better boys,
raise better boys, just raisebetter boys so women can walk in
the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Seriously.
You should be relieved, notmore horrified yeah, she'll.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Oh, thank god there might be bears here.
Hello, stranger.
Can you imagine where's?
Where's that world?
Why does it always have to getshittier?
Why is everybody so?
Juliana was like it.
Like, why are we so obsessedwith the apocalypse?
It's like it's like a foregoneconclusion we just all genuinely
accept we're going to destroythe world.
Like, where are the happy,amazing jetpack worlds of?

(01:27:25):
You know?
Where's Star Trek?

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
I mean it's Star Trek .
I need to put that out therebefore anybody gets mad at us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It is Star Trek.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
But aside from Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I know, but no one's aspiring to Star Trek.
Everyone's like oh, Fallout, Itotally get it.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
No to Star Trek.
Everyone's like oh Fallout, Itotally get it.
Yeah, no, no nuclearcatastrophe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Well, that's mostly Goggins.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
Let's get real, that's mostly what Goggins,
walton Goggins in Fallout.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Oh, oh, oh oh.
Walton Goggins.
No Jesus, I didn't know whatyou were saying.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
I thought you were like I thought that was like a
Lady Gaga term, Like, oh, it'smostly Goggins.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
No, he's, he's, he's did you finish that boss?
Yes, yeah, okay, yeah, no, he's, he's like no, he never does
any wrong.
Did you ever watch the shield?
I didn't.
And now it's where he startedand it was one of those things.
He was like a junior, he waslike a, he was like a little
pissant.
Yeah, that like was so fuckinggood.

(01:28:14):
They had to write his rolebigger.
You love when actors do that.
They're like oh, he's a dayplayer.
Then they're just phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
We should write more for this, hey we should let him
do this for his job.
That would be a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
It's amazing.
He's never, ever sick at sea,doesn't matter what he's in,
doesn't matter the genre Alwaysgreat.
I love actors like that.
Shane, I was like which one'sWalton Goggins.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
He's also good in yes Shane.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
Justified.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Justified.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Thank you, Boy my brand wasn't giving that to me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
He was so good.
Anyway, sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Yeah, this was your episode.
Walton Goggins' Love FestMm-hmm.
Okay, all right, everybody,that is it.
We'll be back next time withWayne, episode 9, thought we Was
Friends.
The plan is to finish Episode 9and 10 of Wayne.
That's all there are.
There are only 10 totalepisodes.

(01:29:06):
Boss will eviscerate me liveand in living color, and then
we'll move on from there.
So thank you everybody forjoining us and until next time.
We are Richmond Till we Die.
Richmond Till we Die, that'sright, we're done with Ted Lasso

(01:29:27):
.
But guess what?
Richmond Till we Die, not Tillwe Finish Ted Lasso, that's
right.
Till we Die, we understandcommitment on this podcast,
people, sort of Alright, thanks,we'll see you next time.

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