A Very Special Episode - Eurovision 2024 - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome back, beautiful people.
Thank you for joining us todayfor a very special episode.
We're going to talk abouteurovision 2024.
Uh, for those of you who arejoining us for the first time,
we typically talk about, uh,television shows and then, here
and there, we add uh sort ofthings that interest us.
And, um, this is one of thosethings where I have a little bit

(01:03):
of knowledge about it Not a lot, but it's something I really,
really enjoy and, I thought,something that the listening
community would enjoy with me,and Coach and Boss know almost
nothing about it, I think.
So we're going to talk to themand see, I am your host, coach
Castleton, and with me, asalways, is Coach Bishop.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I am your host, coach Castleton, and with me, as
always, is Coach Bishop, justmake sure we have an
AfricaVision episode.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, no, that's a good point, coach, that's a good
point, coach.
No, no, listen, hey, coachdoesn't know what to expect.
So right before we startedrolling, he's like, all right,
show me some white nonsense,Like we, we, we.
He doesn't know, coach doesn'tknow what to expect, so he just
said, right before we startedrolling, he's like, all right,
show me some white nonsense,like, we'll see.
We'll see what the.
So this is okay.
No, but this is part of it.
This is really good With us isour boss, emily Chambers.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
He's got a point is all I'm going to say.
He does have a point.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right, so let's start there.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I like that point and I want to start there, Coach.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
what do you know about Eurovision?
List it all out, Every singlething you know and everything
you think you know.
I want to hear you blatherright now.
We're starting with Coach.
I think Boss has slightly moreknowledge than you there's.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Euro.
There's Euro, so I'm assumingthat stands for Europe and
vision.
There's going to be some shitto be seen, okay, in 2024, I
assume is a reference to theyear Okay.
We have what else.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Okay, that is it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
You're saying that, but you said white.
That is it, you said whitenonsense.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why'd you say white nonsense?
I mean listen, most things arewhite nonsense.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I really don't know anything about it.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I, somewhere in your psyche you have an idea that
it's white.
I guess in part.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I don't like some kind of just crazy festival.
Like I don't know, I have nokind of just crazy festival,
like I don't know, I have noidea of like specifics of it,
but like, is it like Coachella?
Yeah, you know, like wouldthere be?
No, I would think more in the.
My brain went more to like across between like Live Aid and

(03:24):
Fringe Got it.
Okay, probably kind ofstar-studded-y and big yeah, but
very taken pride in that thisis the real, whatever they're
being real about.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, cool.
Thank you, that's exactly whatI was hoping for, boss.
What do you know about?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Eurovision A little bit more.
I do know that it is a singingcompetition that a number of
countries in Europe participate.
It is a big deal to host theEurovision.
I know that ABBA won in 74, butI just learned that recently I

(04:04):
have seen clips of Eurovision.
I have never watched.
I am not as theatrical as Ibelieve Eurovision would require
.
Like I'm not a musical person,I am not a drag show person.
That is not because I have anyissues with drag whatsoever.
I don't like that much.

(04:25):
Pageantry is my thing.
You don't like the pageantry, Idon't care for the pageantry.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's not my thing, yeah right, what do you like?
Putting people in graves?

Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean, I feel like there's a big, big difference
between full-on Broadwaymusicals and putting people in
graves like yeah there's alittle there's a spectrum.
There's like a sliver inbetween those that is true.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
My apologies, I've gone too far I will fully admit
there's a small possibility.
I will be seeing the huey lewismusical this summer.
I haven't yet but it is apossibility.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Ah, okay.
All right, I don't know how, uh, I don't know much about that.
Uh, so maybe that's somethingthat you can.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
uh, you can, you can it's just that I loved Huey
Lewis as a child, and so this isnot.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
This is not mentioned .
Uh, no mention of the newswhatsoever.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I mean that's fine, Like if they should have put
their names in the band if theywanted to be known.
This is why the Dave Matthewsband All Gladys Knight.
Dave Matthews knew exactly whathe was doing.
And also I am really pissed off.
This is a joke from my Brother.
My Brother and Me a differentpodcast.
Don't listen to that one, Onlylisten to ours.
But Dave Matthews himself doesa lot of solo shows, like they

(05:45):
tour all the time becausethey're the new grateful dad or
whatever.
Dave matthews band tours allthe time and then dave matthews
goes out and does solo shows,usually him and tim reynolds.
I cannot figure out why hedoesn't refer to those shows as
the dave matthews man.
So you would know it's not theband.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's the dave matthews man that's a terrible
pun, okay, well listen, terriblepuns are part of eurovision.
This is you're, we're, really,we're off to a good start,
perfect.
Um, I'm gonna say I'm gonna ownright up front.
We have a lot of people fromall over the world who who are
listening to this show, thispodcast.
I do not have an encyclopedicknowledge of Eurovision.

(06:26):
I am coming at it from theperspective of an American who
has fallen in love with it.
It's up there for me now.
It's a family event for us, soit gets fun in that way.

(06:52):
In that way, I did a thing forkids and didn't have a lot of
money.
I didn't want my kids to growup being locked into a certain
mindset and Mark Twain talksabout, samuel Clements talks
about how travel is the bestthing for kids to remove uh, you
know, their, their, theirignorance and that sort of thing
.
Uh, for for all human beings,not just kids.
Um, I couldn't take, I couldn'tafford to take the kids all

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over the world, even though Iwanted to.
So I approximated that by umplaying lots of music from all
over the world, and then I, forPajiba, who sponsors the podcast
here, I enlisted some help frompeople all over the world and
they started makingcollaborative playlists and it

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was just really amazing and myeyes were opened and that was
sort of the start of it.
Then, when the pandemic hit,people were even more into it
because, you know, you couldn'tgo, no one could go anywhere,
but it didn't mean you wanted tomiss out on things that were
happening elsewhere.
I was first interested inEurovision.
It was weird and nuts From whatI knew.

(07:57):
Once upon a time I knew therewas something that happened in
Europe, but we couldn't reallysee it in America.
We just didn't have access andit was like oh yeah, that's what
a bunch of campy weirdos do inEurope.
They're crazy.
You know how crazy Germans are?
It's like that sort of thing.
Or you know how man these crazySwedes.
So it started out that way andthen, during the pandemic, they

(08:24):
had to cancel Eurovision, thefirst year of the pandemic in
2020.
But someone shared with me.
One of our writers atAntagonist Blog shared a video
with me and this is really thevideo that sort of got me into
it, because I was like oh, Ireally, this is really good.

(08:44):
Something about this justreally works for me.
So here's how we're going to dothe format today I am going to
show Coach and Boss videos.
Because of rights issues, wecan't play the music or show the
videos here on the site, butwhat I'm going to do is I'm
going to put a link for aplaylist so that you guys can
watch the videos as we watchthem and then come back and hear

(09:06):
the commentary.
This is super fun because Bossand Coach are coming in totally
naked.
They just do not know anything,so they don't know what to
expect, and my goal here isagain I'm not an expert.
I know a little bit about whatit is and hopefully, throughout

(09:27):
this process, I'll try toexplain so people have a better
sense of it.
The reason we're doing it nowis because Eurovision will air
on Peacock.
You can now see Once Upon a Time.
I think the first time it wasshown in America was in 2016 or
15 or 16, right around there.
Shown in america was in 2016 or15 or 16, right around there,

(09:51):
and it was like oh, uh, viacom,uh, channel logo has acquired
the rights to what?
And you're like logo?
Who the fuck you're like?
Oh, what is that?
That means nothing.
That's as good as me, not.
I don't even.
I've never been.
I don't think logo existsanymore, or if it does, my
apologies.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Uh, to the logo channel which I'm gonna say cut
to the president of logo.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
We're doing our best, exactly, exactly, but now it's
on peacock and you can see itlive.
You can watch it live.
Uh, it's super fun.
Um, it will be uh may, uh, 7th,9th and 11th the finals on the
11th, 7th and 9th of the semis,and it is fun and for people who

(10:30):
have families whether it's afamily thing or not it's just
something that you can do withfriends.
It's music in your home.
It's all original concepts.
You can't use songs that werenot made specifically for this.
You have to write your ownmusic and then each country

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sends they have, like theirinternal sort of songs, a little
competition and then thecountry decides, hey, this is
who we're sending Eurovisionthis year.
It originally started in 1956,I believe, and it was only seven
countries or so, and then it'sgrown and grown and grown and
grown and now the country is,like Coach points out, yes, it's
primarily European, but in 2015, I believe, australia is such

(11:17):
like diehard, insane Eurovisionfans that they invited Australia
to participate as a one-timething for the 60th anniversary.
They just, you know, peopleloved it, and so now Australia
has been invited back and nowAustralia is like part of the
Eurovision thing and it has todo with the SBS, which is the

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broadcasting system.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Anytime I hear Australia, somebody is having a
good time.
Yes, no, no is having a goodtime?
Yes?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, no, they're maniacs, like they have always
they're so.
So the thing about oh, why isAustralia allowed?
Yeah, no, no, no, a hundredpercent.
A lot of people say why isAustralia allowed to be part of
Eurovision?
They're not, whatever, all thatstuff, yes, but they're so
excited about australia, so soin love with eurovision, and

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always has been that they.
They often bring so much to thecompetition and, and one of the
knocks on some of the europeannations is that, you know,
sometimes people don't alwaysput their best, you know, act
out.
So anyway, um, what we're goingto start with is my entree into
Eurovision, and I saw this video.
This is from Iceland.

(12:28):
It's an artist named Dodi Frerand Dodi and Gagnamagnet, and
it's a song called Think AboutThings, and so what we're going
to do now is I'm going to playthis for Coach and Boss.
We will come back once theyhave seen it and and then

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hopefully you guys can at home,can can follow along.
My apologies to people in thecar.
I know sometimes some of youout there, all the the Willie
Lomans of the world, are goingto have to sort of suffer,
suffer through this, buthopefully, like those of you who
didn't watch Wayne and justlistened to the commentary.
Maybe this will suffice.
So, coach and Boss, this isfour minutes and five seconds.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I caught that on the Omen line, by the way.
Oh, thank you yes.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Listen, some people are going to be out on the road.
I'm going to share this withyou and we're going to start.
A man is not a piece of fruitDamn straight.
Damn straight.
Alright, here we go and enjoy,think about things, coach and
boss Okay, so reactions Thoughtsno, okay.

(13:44):
So reactions, thoughts no, no,no, okay listen this is not for
me this is not this.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
None of this was made for me, um, and if you didn't
see the video, it's like sort ofa vaguely synthy poppy type
sort of humorous song, but notgoing all the way into humor, I
prefer either lean in or don't.
I will need to find it, butthere's a comedian who did a

(14:18):
song about how, anytime anybodyasks him if he's seen something
like hey, have you seen my keys?
And he always responds withhave you checked your butthole?
And that makes me laugh.
I like that.
I do think that that's funny,um, but I feel like lean into it
or be more humorous is fine.
If the point is to be funny,you got to be full funny, like

(14:42):
I'm gonna need you to get allthe way there.
Um, yeah, the thing thatbothered me a lot about it,
though and this is because Ijust watched conan o'brien on
hot ones he was talking abouthow, every once in a while,
you'll get a comedian orstand-up specifically where, if
things aren't going as well asthey hoped it would, they will
turn to audience or like, lookdirectly into the camera.

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At some point it'll they willbe connecting with the audience
member and say, oh, this isn'tgoing well at all is it, and
they are attempting to breaksome tension, to like highlight
the fact that things aren'tgoing well.
And conan said no man, you'reputting on a fucking show like,
even if you are failing, whatyou want them to get to is this

(15:24):
is the best goddamn thinganybody's ever seen.
So the fact that the audiencewithin the video is like we
don't like this like how am Isupposed to like it if the
audience that you came up withdoesn't like it?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
ah, okay, that's how you, yeah, man interesting like
don't.
Yeah, do not half-ass this shitwith me.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
You fucking put it all the way out there.
You dance as hard as you can.
You try for as much comedy asyou can.
Go big.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Okay, yeah, I think the.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
I get what they're going for.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's a commentary.
So the people who didn't likeit are it's a historical
representation of the old schoolEurovision viewer who thought,
when they turn around and shaketheir butts like you can't even
look at that, you know, likeit's things like that.
So, yes, absolutely, I hearwhat you're saying, coach.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Coach heard the song, only saw stills.
Coach heard the song, only sawstills because of some technical
difficulties.
So that was fascinating.
There were keytars involved.
Yep, some sweaters of the sortof ugly Christmas sweater

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adjacent genre.
I got the sense that.
I got a sense of it.
It was a little crazy.
It was a little bit crazy, butthe keytars made me go okay, so
we're all on the same page here.
You know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, yeah, listen, it's less.
Camp is certainly part of theeurovision experience.
Um, it's less uh.
It's not uh for the purpose ofthis conversation.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
You don't have to love the music, you don't have
to love the whatever you, it's,it's actually I was I would I
actually like the song more thanI expected to, based on how you
were he's got a.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
He's got a great voice.
Um, does it affect?
I?
I brought up the lyrics here onthe screen.
Does it affect?
Here's the thing I took awayfrom you.
If anyone knows who, wheneverwe talk about music, I always
talk about how important thelyrics are to me.
Um, this is a song where Ithought, oh, this is a little
creepy.
Um, you know, believe me, I'llalways be there.

(17:43):
You can tell me anything andI'll listen.
Anyway, I thought, oh, what'sthe?
I just thought, okay, it's alittle aspirational, believe me,
I'll always be there, you know.

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I thought, oh, just okay,that's notable.
Until I found out that this isa literal.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Did Boss write this?
This is a literal baby.
This sounds like her, like lovehe was having a.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
He was having a child .
This is like so it's a baby,he's singing to his baby, that's
coming, and I thought it was socool.
I went from like oh god.
He says like um, uh, because Idon't understand you.
You have let you learn how tospeak.
When we first met, I'll neverforget because, even though I
didn't know you yet, we werebound together then and forever,
and I could never let you go.

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So at first, you're like oh god, that's like a little intense
for a relate, but you're like no, they're singing.
As a child, I can't wait to knowwhat do you think about things?
Which I was like yes, so thisis Ted Lassoy for me, lyrics
wise, where I was like wait asecond, you got me Like I did
not expect, and I love that.
Like when you have, when youparent children and they come up

(18:55):
and they surprise you and I'msure your nieces and nephews do
the same thing, boss, you alwaysare conveying things, that
who's church and things likethat, like these great moments
that you have, where you're likewow, and when you find out what
they think about things, uh, itcan be uh, you know one of the

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one of the best uh parts of it.
So I only show you this to saythis is what got me into that.
Okay, um, uh, I want to giveyou a couple examples of it.
Here's what happens.
The countries put together yeah, they're, they're, um, they're,
uh, they're best, you know, orwhatever they vote on it.
There's often inside thecountries, there's often, you
know, division and you know,sometimes countries put out

(19:37):
things that the, the people ofthe country don't love, like the
musical sort of entity insideeach country is a little
different.
Uh, as I understand it, um,this is something where uh feel
free if you are somebody whoknows more than I do, uh, and
listening group, you can jumponto the community site and and
uh, correct us and let me knowwhere I've gone wrong.

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But in general, you send your,your, your thing to eurovision,
your song, your final product,and what you do is you start out
.
Everybody makes a video, okay,so you have, what you're seeing
is a video.
This is a video.
These guys never competedbecause it was canceled, but I
thought it was.
It captured a lot of the spiritof eurovision, um and um.

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Then what happens is on theactual.
So there's the, the video, andthis is what gets people hyped
up.
Everybody gets the videos aheadof the competition.
And then people go oh, yeah,this is my jam, I love this song
, right, but then your person,your group, which is a max of
six people, has to go on stageand then do it.
So it's one thing and you can'tuse.

(20:44):
I think it's only been a coupleof years, I think because of the
pandemic, they allowedbackground vocals to be um
recorded for the first time, buthistorically, uh, you had to
sing, yeah, you gotta be right,and and and still, the, the lead
singers still have to sing.
Uh, the main singers have tosing actually on stage.
So what you get is um, is thisreally interesting?

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Sort of strange environmentwhere you might get a super
kick-ass video, but then is theperson charismatic enough?
Are the singers good enoughlive?
Can they hit their notes?
Do they have the voicesrequired?
I'm going to show you and, likeI said to everyone listening at
home, I'm going to make theplaylist and put it right in the

(21:27):
show notes so you should beable to click on the playlist.
It'll go right through everysong, and what I want to show
you is the winner last year, nowCoach or no Boss, said oh, it's
an honor to host it.
That is correct.
The reason it's an honor tohost it is because it means you
won it the previous year.
So if you win it, you host it.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Except for last year, which Ukraine had won the year
before.
But a little thing happened inUkraine.
They were busy, yeah, they werebusy.
So the UK hosted it for Ukraine, and there was this great
series of things where theywould show a place in the UK and
then they would show a placelike they would show, let's say,

(22:11):
a beach in the UK Not thatbeaches are a big thing, I'm
pulling something out Then theywould show a beach in Ukraine
and then they would show a beachin whatever country was
competing.
It was kind of interesting howthey did this.
The connectivity, eurovisionwill tell you that it's all
about inclusivity and acceptanceand unity, and that's where it
differs thematically from a lotof what we're experiencing in

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the United States, and this issomething I really.
You know you have your criticswho are like oh bullshit, it's
not, it's all about whatever.
You know, everyone can havecome at it from their different
perspectives, but when you watchit, for example, people will
make political statements, butpolitical statements are not

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allowed.
So you have to hide yourpolitical statements cleverly,
and I'm going to show you anexample of one that I just
absolutely loved.
I'm going to show you anexample of one that I just
absolutely loved.
And it's how you go about.
It is so interesting and itrequires creativity, and then
that contributes to the feel andit also, you know, contributes

(23:15):
to your national pride in thesame way, like you put a country
, like has a soccer team in theWorld Cup, right, and it becomes
this, this point of passion forthe country.
If they win eurovision, even ifthey have a great video and a
great performance, it is, it issomething that people rally
around, um, so I'm going to showyou last year's winner uh was

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won by sweden.
It was a two-time winner, whichhas only been done by ireland
one time before.
Uh, uh, johnny, um, oh god,johnny hogan, I think it was for
ireland.
This is a cigarette.
Uh, by the name of laureen, andshe won last year.
And so those following along athome uh, as I cue this up here
again, uh, you won't hear it,but you will hear us come back

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after boss and coach havelistened of listen, okay, that
was your winner.
Um, thoughts, anything, itdoesn't again, doesn't matter if
you like it or not.
It just just to give you, justto give you, a sense, uh-huh, um
, any anything, uh, did it seemdifferent, uh, from the one I

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showed you before yeah, actually, actually I like that there was
not any ironic distance betweenthe song and the performer.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I think that was my issue with the first one is that
they were like you were writinga song about your child being
born and it felt a little bitlike a joke, which I'm not
trying to critique the artisticprocess In the same way that
SemSonic's Closing Time, whichclosed out every dance in the

(24:53):
late 90s Like every singlefucking one, and then also the
bars.
When I went to college it wasgreat for that.
That was about his wife beingpregnant and him having a kid.
So like sometimes youextrapolate shit.
I've liked that there was notthe ironic distance.
She meant it.
Her voice is great.
This is not a song I wouldlisten to regularly, but I

(25:15):
understand why people like itGot it Coach.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, it felt.
It felt like, well, the funnyversion of it or funny to me at
least that I thought of it.
It feels like a Grammyperformance that would lead me
to go.
Huh, she could sing.
Who's she?
Yes, you know what I mean.
I just realized I'm old, she'snot here for me, but I was like,

(25:43):
yeah, that's all right, that'sall right, I'd be curious to
what else.
I was curious for what else todo.
I'm a big boss that I probablywouldn't be like driving through
the streets of LA just bangingthis, but I mean, I got it.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Again, totally, I don't mean to be putting on the
spot.
Here's the thing is this is.
This is um, I'm going to showyou now the runner up.
Last year, oh dear.
And everybody was hoping I mean, not everybody she won and she
won because most countries casther.
So when you vote, you cannotvote for your own country, you

(26:16):
have to vote for someone else,and so the countries all have to
decide.
You know who they want, andit's a really complicated thing,
and Finland came right up tothe edge to decide who they want
.
It's a really complicated thing.
Finland came right up to theedge.
If they had gotten a couplemore votes they would have put
them over.
But it's a different vibe.
I'm going to play that for younow.
Folks listening at home, youcan move on to the third song

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here on your playlist.
I'm going to play this here nowfor Boss and for Coach.
Okay, you see everybody losingtheir fucking minds.
People showed up withcha-cha-cha shirts or and again,
it's because the the video wasout there.
People fell in love with thesong.
They pick their winner, youknow, they pick their horse, and

(27:00):
then they attend the event andthey lose their minds and the
audience hoping that theirchoice will win.
It doesn't necessarily have tobe their country.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
But it's not like an audience response situation.
There are votes from thecountries and all that.
So the fact that they wentcrazy is exciting and might
influence a judge, but it's notpart of how you win.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, that's true, there is a new part of how you
win.
Well, that's true, there is anew part of the voting session.
It's not just the countries now.
Now, for example, we can votein the United States.
It gets lumped into somethingcalled other countries.
So if you call and vote, eachcountry, so you can vote.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
You can watch this on YouTube and be like cha-cha-cha
, motherfucker, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, you watch it on Peacock because otherwise?
Yeah, because Peacock's theonly place to watch it live.
Oh, peacock.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
No, no, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm not stealing from Peacock.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I don't want to be added by Peacock either.
Like relax.
My point is yes, I can watch iton my computers.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
And then you could vote Uh, there's a, there's a
window in inside which you canvote, and then so there's a
country vote, the official votefor the country, and then
there's the, the, the uh, publicvote for each country, um, and
because the United States is not, um, uh, a member country, we
go into an other category andthen that vote, you know.
So, anyway, people do have somesay in how it all shifts out.

(28:25):
Where's the window?
It's 24 hours from the finalshow.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
No, I'm fucking around man.
I was just Ted Lasso-ing you.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Oh, okay, got it.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Like where is it?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Oh, now, where is that window?
Now, where is that?
Window.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I have a little fancy latch on it.
It's over in Virginia waitingon us.
I would hate to have a littlefancy latch on it.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I would hate to think Zava's over in Virginia waiting
on us Now.
Okay, I don't want to take uptoo much.
Listen, the songs are threeminutes max.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I know the first one I showed you is four because it
had little, you know whatever,but the songs are actually three
minutes To talk about theactual performance for a second,
especially for those who don'thave not yet or don't actually
go and watch each of the videos,that was kind of crazy.
I feel like we also moved pastthe actual discussion of that

(29:16):
performance, first of all,because I'm watching the video
from you sharing it with us.
When those people came out with, admittedly, tanned skin, I
thought the people in pink mightbe black, the couple on the end
, and I thought this white mangot black marionettes going on.
This got interesting.
Oh Jesus, wow.

(29:38):
I was like oh, wow, okay, thenwe're doing it.
But then I realized, no, they'rejust outside, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
So, I had that whole process go on for me.
Just buying a lot of spray tan.
Yeah, no, I like that you wentwith that possible version of
maybe racism, Because I didthink if somebody from the
United States made this video itwould be racist against Eastern
Europeans.
Because like it's not that Ididn't enjoy it, it's that it

(30:14):
was kind of like watchingDancing with the Stars on acid
at a rave or something Like ithad a lot.
It had a lot going on.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that because yeah, I liked
it.
I like dancing with the stars.
A good one, I was trying tothink, but it had a certain.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, it did it was like a strictly ballroom type
vibe to it yeah it not bad.
It's not that I hated it.
I didn't even dislike it it'sjust that I was like, well, not
that I hated it.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I didn't even dislike it, it's just that I was like,
well, there's Some of it feltlike those of you of a certain
age might get this one.
This might be for the kids ithad some Solid Gold vibes.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Solid Gold moments.
Yes, that's a good call.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Up to date you know what I'm saying Like it had,
like you know, the dancing andthe big smiles you know, yeah,
yeah, I couldn't tell if theywere in on the joke or if this
was very real for them.
Whatever it was, I'm I'm gladthat they I I am glad that the
audience found it yeah, I, I.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I find that if you put too many body rolls in a row
, things tend to get a littleout of hand.
Okay, just as a rule, if you'reever doing choreography, do it
if you want, I'm just sayingbody rolls I feel like people
get a little out of control.
You do too much body rolling atone time.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
This is not Eurovision related, but still
musically related.
This is the only time I willever say anything bad about
Beyonce, ever in my entire life.
This is it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Listen this is it?

Speaker 4 (31:45):
This is she might have done one too many key
change on Love on Top, maybe onetoo many.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's a fair discussion to have Now.
The Beehive is not known forrational discussion, so you can
address your emails to onlychambers Nobody, I don't.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
I burned my computer to the ground.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
All right, I'm going to show you another video.
There's two more.
These are from last year.
There's a reason I'm showingyou these videos.
I want to give you a sense.
Then I'm going to show you oneother videos, two more that
these are from last year, andthere's a reason I'm showing you
these videos.
Um, I want to give you a senseand then I'm gonna show you a
couple from this year and showyou and just just show you.
This is, this is all abouttrying to get people, uh, to
understand it.
Whether you like it or notAgain, immaterial to me whether
the music uh, uh, uh, sort ofspeaks to you.

(32:40):
I sort of speaks to you.
I am hoping that you're gettinga sense about what we're
talking about.
This one is Croatia.
It's a.
It's a.
It was.
There's a punk rock band calledLet Three and they wrote this

(33:06):
song to attack Vladimir Putin.
And.
But you can't attack VladimirPutin.
But you can't attack VladimirPutin.
You're not allowed to.
Now the history of this isVladimir Putin ostensibly
controls the vassal statesaround him, one of which is
Belarus, and for his birthday,we believe, if I have my story

(33:26):
correct, the president ofBelarus purchased a lawn tractor
for Putin as a gift.
It says, mama, this guy boughta tractor or something like that

(33:50):
or was gifted a tractor, andthen it's like the moron is on
the tractor.
So you know what I mean.
So they're not saying Putin,but everybody knows they're
talking about Putin and in theend they have this Rasputin come
out holding like rockets.
So anyway, just watch this one.
I, I, I love it so much, it'sso crazy.

(34:12):
But like this one, uh, I, Ijust, I just love it.
I absolutely love it and um,the, the, the tone of it and the
and the whole vibe.
So check this one out.
Everybody.
Move to the next song in yourplaylist.
I'm adding it now to.
I'm doing it while we speak,folks, so that because ADHD

(34:34):
coach, I won't know which onecame when.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, we do that.
We don't depend on memory.
We're going to try this hereokay, so I'm actually really
glad you gave the um the setupfor that, because I mean I

(34:57):
obviously had no idea what theywere saying, but also it did
create a context for all of thatgreat, because it was like, oh,
they're court jesters, so likethen I could, like I was
watching it sort of through thatlens um, yeah, it was good, it
was good damn crazy, but I getwhere, like if you're gonna say
something about vladimir putindressing it up and all that

(35:19):
ridiculousness might save yourlife.
So like, yeah, I get it um.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
So I think that the performance was way more punk
than the song itself was.
It's not that the song didn'thave any punk to it, but it was
a little more theatrical.
While I was watching it Ithought about how I told the
boyfriend that I was watchingBeforeiners, the Swedish show
about people from the past whoshow up in the present and bring

(35:49):
their culture.
So they are essentiallyforeigners to our time, but they
come from before foreigners.
It's great Swedish show inSwedish.
It's amazing.
And also I was watching Dark,which is a German show about a
time travel cave, and I watchedthese in quick succession and he
said to me in quick succession,and he said to me I feel like

(36:11):
Europe is very cutting edge forthe 1980s and it made me like
it's not accurate.
He's not right, but it did makeme laugh really hard that there
is something about Europeanculture that is different enough
from the culture that it seemsboth futuristic and wildly
behind the times somehow.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Interesting.
Yeah, I'm kind of like I get itA little bit right.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Cutting edge for the 1980s was him being an asshole,
because he's a dick.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
But, it did make me laugh.
I mean, they might say the samething about us.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
And they would be right too.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
In some ways America is ahead.
In some ways they're like ohGod, they might say the same
thing about us.
So in some ways, in some waysAmerica is ahead.
In some ways they're like ohGod, they're children.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
They're fucking children.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yes, but I think I thought that was more
specifically around like theperformance and culture.
No boss.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
No, no, no, no, definitely that yeah, no, we're
not.
He wasn't critiquing any oftheir politics or anything like
that, just that uh you know,like if you found out uh, that I
don't know I don't want topigeonhole any specific country,
let's say france, because youknow they could take it if you
find out that france was very,very into, like howie mandel's

(37:22):
stand-up, it would somehow seemfitting.
It would be like, yeah, we'regonna going to go back to his
great stuff from 1992.
Somehow I would feel like, yeah, that makes sense.
Sorry, france, I'm just rippingyou guys, new assholes all over
the place.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Listen, it's not.
I just want to point out theperspective taking.
For example, I was talking witha friend from Finland yesterday
and I made a Jan Moss joke,like you do when you talk about
them, and he didn't get it andhe was like, huh, there's like.
I was like, yeah, you know theDutch, the truth tellers, and

(38:00):
you know they just kind of theydon't, they don't waste a lot of
people in scandinavia wouldthink of them as self-serving
and a little shady.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Oh wow, oh, like you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
So I'm like whoa, whoa, well, you know so.
So again, and we've talkedabout when you're a white person
from, from, uh, america and youfind out about the all of the
um countries in central, centraland South America and all the
different relationships betweenthose, and of course it makes
sense, but if you don't know it,you don't know it.
So, again, I was trying to.

(38:37):
My effort here is to not makeyou like the music or anything
like that.
I want to show you how peoplecome at it in different ways.
How people come at it indifferent ways.
The last one I'll show, fromlast year, is my favorite one.
It's from Czechia.
It is a.
It's called my Sister's Crown.
It is a response for women whoare caught up in the Ukrainian

(39:02):
war zone.
It's comprised of, I think, sixwomen from five different
nationalities.
They sing in, I think, four orfive different languages in this
song.
It's powerful and I'm going todirect you to.
I'm going to show you theperformance, not the video.
The video is good, but theperformance I thought was epic.

(39:22):
I thought the performance wasso powerful and they do this
thing and I just want to pointit out because they have part of
their costuming is these braidsand they do this thing, and I
just want to point it outbecause they have.
They have part of theircostuming is these braids and
they do this thing, and I wroteabout it on the antagonist blog
last year.
But they do this thing wherethey walk toward camera as part
of the song.
I think it's like the oneminute mark or 109, something
like that, if memory serves andthey hold their braids out and

(39:45):
then they drop them in defianceand I'm like I don't know what
this is, but it's the mostpowerful shit I've ever seen and
I love the song and I love them.
And we talk, we again in.
We try to talk about um, oh,americans are so dumb, you know,
europeans are so advanced,right, things like that.
And then you have brexit andyou go god damn, people are in

(40:06):
europe, right, so then and then,and then the someone in in, uh,
serbia will say don't paint mewith that fucking brush, I'm not
in the UK, you know it's, it'sso complicated, it's so
interesting.
One of the things that affectedthis performance was one of the
women was attacked because shewas Russian.
It was a.
This is a response video to theinvasion in Ukraine, again, not

(40:29):
officially, but it's about mysister's crown.
You'll hear the words in it.
The big thing is, we're notyour dolls.
You can't steal our souls.
All these, it's like reallypower.
Like like I'm going to getchoked up.
I love it so much.
And instead of some some peoplesaying like oh, it's amazing
that a Russian national would bepart of this, like they were

(40:52):
saying like, oh, fuck thatRussian, like you know, and you
go no, no, you know what I mean.
Like it's and you go, oh God,people are as dumb as we are
everywhere, you know, not,probably not as quite as dumb as
we are, but, um, but there'ssome, there's some, uh, uh, you
know differing viewpoints.
Anyway, folks, please move tothe next one on your playlist,

(41:12):
and I'm going to play this, forthis is the last one I'm going
to show you.
This is who I think, hands down, I don't think anybody could
have competed.
I just love the performance somuch.
It was powerful, it wasimportant.
It's exactly what I think thistype of performance should be,
exactly what I think this typeof performance should be.
It's not the campy, wackoEurovision that, you know, a lot

(41:33):
of people expect, in which caseyou know.
So that's why some peoplewouldn't vote for it, but anyway
, I thought it was magical.
I thought it was unbelievable.
All right.
So I get choked up.

(41:53):
I can barely hold it togetherwhen I watch that it's so I just
think it's amazing.
Um thoughts before we move on.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
so for me it was interesting because I you know,
obviously again you gave us somelead-ups, we had some, some
context for the performance.
So I again I saw it with thatlens and part of me was like, oh
, they're singing the song thatmatters.
But I also think and I wonderhow much this is part of the

(42:18):
Eurovision vision that maybe itall doesn't have to matter like
that.
Like I think there's somethingromantic about like oh, they're
doing a performance, that's, youknow, speaking on what's going
on in the world.

(42:39):
But I also think sometimes justmaking making whatever it is
your move to make as an artistis is its own pushback against
what's going on in the world.
And so I guess I was thinkinglike how the part of me that
would be dismissive of the songright before this and not of

(42:59):
this or to some degree and I'mnot sure that that's true to the
artist in me that's coming fromsomewhere else than the artist,
because my reaction is like Ijust actually was just thinking
the other day of like I wasthinking about waiting for a
good dope and like what would itbe like if somebody made a
movie?

(43:19):
That was basically just that,and it kind of made me a little
sad that I was like I think youwould have to be rich and make
that with your own money, likenobody's gonna make some shit
like that, you know and andthere's value in it.
So, anyway, I found myself kindof going like, yeah, make, make

(43:39):
a little more room in what is.
You know what you're, whatyou're giving, that's respect as
art you know it's interestingthat you went that way with it.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
I was thinking when was it?
It has been various timesduring the US's history, I
should say the Iraq invasion andthen a few things after that.
You got a lot of complaintsabout artists not writing
political songs or artists notbeing interested in doing

(44:13):
political things, and I was like, well, who are you listening to
?
Because the songs are out there, it's just, it's maybe not who
you're aware of.
Or then, like uh, the chicksfamously came out at the time
and said like we're not, wedon't really support the war,
and then people hated thatbecause not, we don't really
support the war.
And then people hated thatbecause if you're going to say
something political, it needs tobe the way that we would like

(44:34):
you to.
So I I have gotten into notarguments, maybe debates or
discussions uh, castleton, Ithink with you.
I know, uh, years ago with uhproducer of the show, years ago
with a producer of the show,dustin Rolls, about the

(44:54):
importance of FM radio and radiostations and alternative
stations and how when those wentaway, then music changed and
I'm like, oh well, when thosewent away, music went on to
websites.
So I still feel like there'sthe same amount of indie bands
and people to discover and likedifferent ways of doing that.
Um, basically my idea, mythesis, is music changes, but a

(45:19):
lot of the same themes stay thesame.
People want to talk about thesame shit and they are doing it
in the same ways.
It's just maybe not what youare aware of, so I like that
they are doing something soblatantly political when you
know what they're talking about.
Like people are making thatthere is space for that.
It's just you might need tolook for it a little bit harder.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Right, right, got it, okay, so.
So, to finish up here, I wantedto show you, I'm going to show
you I had a couple lined up.
We're running out of time.
Um, I, I want to.
I'm going to show you clipsfrom a couple different songs.
I'll put the full songs in theplaylist, but I'm going to show
you just a couple clips and I'mgoing to show you um through.

(46:01):
I don't know how much time wehave, but uh, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna show you clips fromfrom two songs, then I'm gonna
show you you two full ones andwe can talk about them Afterward
.
These are the ones for this yearthat people are getting really
fired up.
These are like the mainContenders.
I don't think To my ear or tomy Eye.
I think this is Not as strongof a year as Last year was.

(46:23):
Last year.
I could show you five more thatI loved this one.
There was one from Austria lastyear that I really this one.
There was one from Austria lastyear that I really loved.
There was a bunch.
There was some really good oneslast year.
This one I'm going to start with.
I just want to do a little clipfor Boss and Coach.
This is Ukraine and this one'san earworm.
This is the first one of thisyear's batch that got in my head

(46:44):
and I couldn't turn it off.
We'll start with that one andthen and then we'll come back.
So, everyone, go and click thenext song on your playlist,
please.
Okay, I'm going to pause rightthere.
I don't want to run out of time.
This is a song from Ukraine.
This is a I don't, it's talkingabout dumb Americans.

(47:07):
One of my kids said I don't,it's talking about dumb
Americans.
One of my kids said AlonyaAlonya.
I think it's Aliona Aliona, butwe always say Alonya Alonya.
This is a rapper from Ukrainewho was just rapping.
I guarantee I'm related to her.
I just when I see her I go.
That's I don't know whichcousin, that's my cousin, for

(47:30):
sure.
And then Jerry Hale, who is theother singer, who's like a
YouTuber and she does covers andthings like that.
This song, the premise of thissong, is all women who, all the
divas of the world, were bornregular women and then became
divas, and so the message is ispretty sweet and uh, uh, uh,

(47:54):
alonia.
Alonia was, uh, was featured inan article in uh new york times
last year as like one of the 15rappers to know outside of the
us.
Uh, she's really great and uh,I love this song and I think
it'sa it's a great one.
It's unlikely it's going to win, because Ukraine won a couple
of years ago, but strangerthings have happened.
Um and I, so I just put that onyour on your map, okay, um.

(48:17):
Next one on the show is, um,italy.
Uh, I didn't.
I wasn't crazy about Italy'sItaly's last year, uh, kind
Italy's last year.
Kind of a yawner to me.
No offense to everybody in myfamily, but me as Italian, my
first wife was half Italian andGiuliano was half Italian, so
all my kids are Italian and so Igotta be careful.

(48:40):
But I, this song is fantasticand I'm gonna play a little bit
of it and I'm gonna stop it whenshe does her shoulder shake,
which I feel like she does thislittle shoulder shake and I go,
god damn, like it is sofantastic and this song is super
catchy.
This is Angelina Mango and thisis the submission for 2024

(49:04):
Eurovision.
Everybody, click the next oneon your list, please.
Everybody click the next one onyour list, please.
Okay, all right, that's enoughof that one.
Um, super catchy, she'sfantastic and she's like a.
She's got charisma on stage shecan bring it.
Uh, so she's a, she's acontender this year, like, like,

(49:26):
I wanted to show you laureensinging for Sweden so you could
say, oh yeah, like a lone femalesinger can bring the house down
.
You know that kind of thing andpeople will get you know, they
can garner those votes.
She has that kind of charismaand that kind of range and her
voice is fantastic.
So just another one of the ofthe now this one also is more

(49:48):
playful.
This doesn't have a big message.
She's bored, that that's.
I don't know the fulltranslation, but she's like I'm
fucking bored.
Oh, got it, which is where allthe yeah.
So what's going on with?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
the hair stuff is interesting to me, like it's
braids, but it's not like yeah,it's almost like tree roots.
It looks like to my, to my yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
That's the idea.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah.
So I was sort of yeah, anyway,that caught.
That made me go like, hmm, I'mcurious about that, what's going
on with that.
But yeah, I got it.
I mean, you know, I don't thinkmy gray beard is their target,
but I get it, sure, okay.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
This is currently the third most viewed video.
I'm going to show you myfavorite two and then we're done
.
Boss, I'm going as fast as Ican.
I'm sorry if it's going to betwo minutes.
I'm trying to stay insideboss's boundaries but it might
go 30 seconds over, so I'm goingto go as quickly as I can.
This is last year.

(50:49):
I showed you from Croatia.
I showed you the one from Mama,which was the guys making the
one about Putin.
This is a different one.
This is so goddamn catchy to meanyway, and this is the second

(51:10):
most played one.
And this one has all of theelements of a Eurovision big
winner.
Croatia's never won, butthey're so easy to get behind
and they were amazing in theWorld Cup, and there's things
about them where you just go,goddamn, croatia's just got some
verve.
Baby.
This is a singer known as BabyLasagna.

(51:32):
The song is called Rim TimTaggy Dim, which I don't do
justice with my American mouth,but you will hear why.
Oh, and also with this one.
I'm going to pause here.
This one I have captions onbecause I want you guys to be
able to see what he's saying.
It's in English, but it's just.
We'll watch this one all theway through Everyone.

(51:54):
Please click the next one onyour playlist yeah, man, like
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
I'm sorry to this man , but if you told me that this
was the follow-up to um planet,of the base, I would be like,
yeah, that makes sense planet ofthe what is that planet of the
base was the the fake uh technosong that came out uh, last year
, last summer, something.
It was uh like the spoof on thethe the techno song, uh.

(52:26):
The lyrics were like um uh,life it never die.
Women are my favorite guy.
Sex I'm wanting more.
Tell the world stop the war.
And it was like it, like it wasso on point about how bad it
was.
And if you told me that thiswas the, the follow-up to that,
I'd be be like well, it's not asfunny, but it's still pretty

(52:47):
good.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Ah okay.
All right, Wait Coach, beforeyou jump in boss you should, you
might.
I know you have to get up earlyfor a flight, and so you might
want to hop on.
I can just finish.
I can finish up with Coach.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
And because it's yeah , I I don't mean to go over your
time, yeah, I'm sorry I'm I'mgonna die.
Do you want me to do a sign off?
Or just tell everybody I'mbouncing now?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
yeah, you can tell everybody you're bouncing now
and then we'll finish with coachand uh, you've seen enough I've
seen enough, and um, yeah,that's good.
Um, and then, uh, we wish you asafe, safe travels hey, thanks.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Are we leaving this in the recording?
Is this where I tell everybody?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
goodbye.
Yeah, this is going to be inthe recording.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I mean, guys, you don't understand I fade so quick
.
It is immediate.
I swear to God, I will beasleep in seven minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
You've heard the scarlet letter.
The boss is the scarlet ladywhen she gets up.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
I am.
It's time for a bet.
Anyway, yes, I hope everybodyloves the Eurovision.
I'm sorry if I insulted anyEuropean countries.
I didn't mean to.
I only meant to insult Asiancountries.
Actually, I didn't mean that.
Okay, that's great.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Okay, fly safely Now, Coach, were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
something about that.
Yes, and then I do want to seethe other one and I do have,
seriously, I do have a couplequestions I want to ask you, but
you can save them or we can go.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, let's save them .

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I want to react to the videos first and then talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah, this one has many components that make my
understanding of a winner.
It's got a real catchy refrain.
Like the Cha-Cha-Cha did lastyear, People want to get behind
it Again.
It's the second most watchedvideo so far.
The video was very, very welldone.
For these videos videos.
This one was a really good oneoh no, I enjoyed the video.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I also thought, though I agreed with some of the
lyrics I guess, some of thelyrics I found myself going well
, well, shit if I had to write apoem in another language, you
know, so I I left it at that.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But I did.
Oh really, I thought it wasclever, okay, yeah interesting
it.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Oh, the meow line stuck out to me like I got it,
but I was sort of like that'sthe weird.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Bye mom, bye.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Well, I said I'll miss you all, but mostly, the
cat is an earlier line no, no,no, I got it and I was like okay
, that's cool, I'm riding withyou.
But it was like I guess thethought I had was oh, that's not
how you would say it if Englishwere your first language, but I
get what you're saying and Ilike the theme of it.

(55:32):
Okay, I thought you wouldappreciate it.
That was my reaction.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
There's no going back .
Giuliano saw this doc that he'ssitting on at the end and she's
like that doc is mental.
I don't understand that.
That's a't understand that.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah, I don't know what's happening there but no, I
like, I like that and I liked,like the older people in the
video and even like at one point, like he says something like I
miss your smile or whatever, andthen he cuts to like this super
stern looking old lady and likeyeah, so I know it was fun like
that, like I got it and I gotthe fun and I I got why I can
see a stadium full of peoplehaving a great time singing that

(56:04):
chorus and jumping around.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah , and you will if you watch it.
I'm sure this one is acontender this year, so people
are going to be pulling for it.
All right, let me play the lastone for you.
This is the number one mostwatched video.
This is from the Netherlands,netherlands.
Uh, use klein, um, this one has.

(56:28):
It's like if you designed a show, a song, to win.
This one not only talks aboutother countries, while in the
song, um and and and.
Uh, it's not not in english,but you'll get the, you'll get
the sense of it when you.
But again, it's catchy, it'sweird, it's got all of the
elements.

(56:48):
It's the most watched video andthe question is whether or not
I can pull it off on the day.
But and there are others forthose of you listening, saying
oh, why did Castle pick this?
Nemo, the code from Switzerland?
I was trying to do this asquickly as I could because Boss
had to go.
There are several songs thatare really really good.

(57:08):
The Code has a lot of theelements too.
It's super catchy.
This one right here, coach,that we're looking at Guy's got
an unbelievable voice.
It's sort of gender fluid,interesting stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
But let's watch the Netherlands one.
I think you're going to get asense of this.
I think is the front runnergoing?
That was really interesting.
I yeah, I mean I'm sure Ididn't catch everything there
was something.
I don't watch a lot of videosanymore, you know, obviously, or
not, obviously I just don't,yeah, and they don't kind of

(57:49):
happen the same way they used to.
Anyway, whatever, I don't watcha lot of videos anymore, but
that video felt sort of in thetheme of the joke earlier from
Boss.
That video felt very, um, Ifelt nostalgic watching it.
It felt like early music video,when music video was really um,

(58:11):
experimental film.
People hadn't really figuredout fully what they were going
to do with it yet.
People were just doing thingsand like moving cameras and
seeing how that worked andcutting shit and just seeing
like it was.
It was, um, you know, peoplefigured out the recipes and and
that's going to happen with anykind of art, Right.
But when I got excited aboutmusic videos originally, it

(58:34):
really felt like shit, you cando anything, Right, yeah, and
that was wild, Like to thinklike you could do anything and
to really ask yourself like,okay, if you can do anything,
then what would you do and waswild, like to think like you
could do anything and to reallyask yourself like, okay, if you
can do anything, then what wouldyou do?
And you know, over time thatchanged.
This kind of had a vibe likethat, Like there was some shit
in it that I was like that lookscool, Okay, Like it wasn't,

(58:59):
like, oh, I'm not tracking, LikeI was like what I didn't track,
I just went okay, that wasvisually cool and that's what
they're doing.
But yeah, I liked that, butyeah, I couldn't decide how
seriously.
It was odd, like weird, likeoffbeat, but it also seemed to

(59:29):
be taking itself seriously.
It wasn't tongue in cheek, itdidn't feel.
I should say it didn't feeltongue in cheek to me, it felt
weird.
But it felt like it was weirdbecause they decided to be weird
or that's who they are andthat's what they're trying to
say.
Not, oh ha ha, we're gonna dolike a weird performance and,
you know, show everybody howclever.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
No, no, I assure you they are in it to win it.
This one, this is like a, thisis laser focused to win it so so
yeah, I mean, it feels likethat and I was gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
So that's one of the questions I was gonna ask by
your description that like, oh,it has this, it has that it
could be a winner.
My sense of it is, if I were inthat music scene, I'd be like,
yeah, I've been working some onsome eurovision shit, right,
like oh yeah, my other shit, andthen I'm working on some
eurovision shit.

(01:00:20):
That would be my get thesemotherfuckers to vote for me
shit.
So I wonder so that was myfirst question Are people like
Is it, they have these ideas andthis is where they go, or is it
that Eurovision is a thing andyou come up with a Eurovision
idea?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I would say yeah, number two they know what
Eurovision is.
This is an institution.
It would be like coming up witha pro football team Got it.
Everybody knows what this is.
You ever see when a pro teamsays, oh, we're going to unveil
a new jersey, and you're likethat's a fucking USFL jersey.

(01:00:59):
You know it's not.
It doesn't fit the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That's what this is like.
Everybody knows what eurovision.
What is what that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
means, yeah, it's so.
So, because I don't know.
You know, I didn't know itbefore now and I'm like, okay, I
get, I get it the videos andthey do performances okay.
Okay, I'm curious why you loveit.
Like when you say you share itwith your family, like, oh, take

(01:01:30):
me into it more, but like whatis it?
Like even, what's the feelingyou have when you watch it?
Because I was like, oh, cool,all right, cool, but I didn't
necessarily feel moved by it,like I didn't feel, I didn't
necessarily feel like, oh, letme go tell Daphne, let's check
out Eurovision.
I wasn't mad at it, and if youwanted to watch some more videos
at some point I would be like,okay, cool.
But it seems like it impactsyou in a way that I'm curious

(01:01:53):
about and I want to understandmore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, why does it impact me?
I like to.
I miss Europe a lot.
I used to go there like everyyear, and since I've had kids I
haven't been able to.
It's just too.
It is, I went a couple yearsago, julianna and I flew.
We went like two nights toDublin.
You know, flew from.
Boston to Dublin.
I remember yeah, yeah, justlike our de facto anniversary.

(01:02:18):
We're not married, but it waslike, okay, we've been together
15 years, we should do something.
Yeah, so we snuck away forliterally two nights to Dublin.
I'd like to see what countriescome up with this year.
There's this we didn't havetime for it.

(01:02:46):
There's a non-binary artistnamed Bambi Thug from Ireland
and they have put out a videothat has like witchcraft images
and it is some interesting stuff.
My first reaction was to belike Jesus, fucking Christ, like
I was like holy and Juliana waslike Ireland, the ireland and

(01:03:07):
um, sweden have the have sevenwins each and a lot of it's the
old days.
In the very beginning they hadone sort of um, but this is the
irish one and uh, it's, it'sbrought so much like the.
You know there's like uh, uhcampaigns in ireland from the
far right to stop it and notmake it the official thing of

(01:03:28):
ireland.
This like, it's like a big deal.
And the, the artist, um, it hashad to fight through all this
stuff and said listen, like, ifyou don't, I, you know you don't
have to be part of the team,that's fine, this is my whatever
.
And my initial reaction wasvery much like the right wingers
, but I I'm not proud of it.
But my initial reaction wasvery much like the right wingers
, but I I'm not proud of it butmy initial reaction was like god
damn, I don't like horror.

(01:03:49):
And so there's like a lot oflike sigils and and witchcraft
and crazy shit and it was funny.
Um, juliana's like making funof me.
She's like you, stupid old man,like you don't like that
because you know, hundreds ofyears ago, when your ancestors
from Sweden got on their longships to come down and attack

(01:04:10):
Ireland, my people were, youknow, my priestesses the.
Irish witches were up on thehills getting ready to, you know
, on the bluffs overlooking theocean, sending all kinds of uh
right, magic to fight you off.
And then it was funny, um, whenwe were driving home, uh, we
were in the cape the other day,cape cod, and um, we were

(01:04:31):
driving home, we looked up thisartist, bambi thug, uh, and, and
one of the things they say isthat they're half their father's
swedish and their mother isirish, oh, from county cork, and
I was like, oh, this is like.
And then when I, when I heardabout their process and I heard
about what they've been goingthrough, it made me really
reevaluate and I was like, yeah,no, no, wait a second, let's

(01:04:53):
look at what this is.
So, again, you get any insightinto Ireland.
You're getting an insight.
Is it indicative of all of theIrish people?
No, like, none of these songsare indicative of all of the
irish people.
No, like, none of these songsare indicative of the capture.
Every, sure, sure, sure, yeah,I mean, but I like, I like the
inside, I like to say, okay,yeah, I'd like to see, okay,

(01:05:14):
what's going on in croatia,switzerland, which was a
non-factor for many, many, manyyears in the euro version last.
Last year they had a great songcalled water gun, which was
again a protest song for the war.
It was talking about uh, Idon't want to be a soldier, I
don't want to fight with realguns like I.
You know, I want to fight withwater guns like I don't want to
fight with real, like it's.
It was really good.
And this year they have thisone by uh, another guy, nemo,

(01:05:37):
who's called the code.
And so, you know, whencountries step up turkey dropped
out in I think 2017, andthey're ostensibly saying like
uh, you know, when countriesstep up Turkey dropped out in I
think 2017.
And they're ostensibly sayinglike, you know, we don't need.
You know, we have better thingsto do than waste our time with
you.
You know it's like becausetheir leader is not a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I was going to say, yeah, right with where they are
right now politically.
I'm not shocked that they.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's the thing.
Russia's been banned from this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Russia's won it once or twice oh, like as a response
to the aggression yeah, so soyou see this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So there's all these these competing, interesting
sort of things.
Georgia always has good ones,albania always had.
Cyprus has had good ones lately.
Um, there's a.
My mother's home country ofGreece was kind of lame last
year and this year they have onethat people think is a
contender.
I'm not so sure, but you seewhat I'm saying.

(01:06:29):
So it's just like thisinteresting.
It's the same way I love you.
See me get fired up over theOlympics, right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I just had the thought it's like artistic
Olympics.
I just had the thought, like,right before you said that
sentence, I was like so it'slike the artistic Olympics.
Yeah, just add the thought Ilike.
Right before you said thatsentence, I was like so it's
like the artistic Olympics, it'slike everybody gets together
and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, you put out your best thing and you and you
do your best, and everybody.
I mean, look at the different.
I tried to show you again,whether you like it, whether
you're fired, gonna just go, I'mgonna go see a hockey game.
Just doesn't somehow happen.

(01:07:10):
You have to be in the family,you have to play it, you have to
know someone, whatever.
Um, eurovision is not exactlylike that, but it helps if you
have someone with a little,giving you a little roadmap.
So all I wanted to do was givepeople an overlay, a sense of
what it is, and then you knowthey can make their own
decisions about whether it'ssomething that's interest them
or not.
Um, but hopefully, um, well, atleast, if you, if you came into

(01:07:33):
this not having any goddamnidea in the world, what, what,
uh, eurovision was at least,coach, I would think now, in the
span of what?
Just an hour and a half or so,and I think you could talk, you
know, you know about what yourwishes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Listen, I think what's cool, what I find cool
about it that would get me towatch it is I am I don't know
what the right word is I'll sayfascinated, although fascinated
is a little it's.
I find myself drawn to andwanting to really soak up great

(01:08:15):
performances of a range in arange of of expressions and so
like, for example, um, at onepoint I got really interested in
marina abramovich, like thewhole idea of performance art
man is mind-blowing like it'slike it's funny because there's

(01:08:36):
a voice in my head.
It's like my boy, you ain't gotno time for no goddamn
performance art.
You hear your shit, you're youknow.
So there's like a little bit ofthat that gets mixed up in my
game I hear that, but yeah, yes,but also I there are some ideas
I have that I'm like that couldbe pretty fucking cool and but
my point is I sat and I watchedthe documentary about the thing

(01:08:57):
at the moma and then I went andI looked up some video stuff and
whatever, and again, it's notmy thing and at an earlier stage
, like college, me would havebeen like.
So there's white ladies lookingat people and y'all all going
to fuck down there, okay, okay.
But as I've gotten older, I'mlike I really have expanded.

(01:09:20):
I was going to say grown andpeople who are in their lane are
in their lane.
Expanded, I was going to saygrown and people who are in
their lane are in their lane.
But I've expanded as an artistto where I feel like I.
I'm open to the discussion ofwhat it is you are doing as
opposed, apart from whether whatyou are doing is for me Right,

(01:09:45):
which is different, but Irespect that.
Apart from whether what you aredoing is for me Right, which is
different, but I respect theone with the women, with the
braids.
I liked how they put thattogether, the choreography I
knew.
I liked it because they did onelittle thing that I was like ooh
, I ought to tweet that.
So I knew that I was in,because I was really watching it
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, your armis blocking her face, like if
you just went up, like that youwould block her face you know,

(01:10:09):
but that means I was in.
You know what I mean.
Like I wasn't but yeah, I likeI think I'm rambling.
I may be, but I'll say this SethGodin, who, you know, I have
immense respect for and got toknow just a little bit.
I'm not pretending like Sethand I are great friends or
whatever, but I know him.
He was, you know, on thepodcast and stuff and he talked

(01:10:31):
about the importance of makingart and his take on it is like
we all make art or could, right,like that the manager at the
local fast food restaurant whofigures out how to get exactly
everybody exactly the rightnumber of hours and make sure
that Thor has Tuesday afternoonsoff, because that's when he
takes English, like that's art,like to him, right, like, and he

(01:10:53):
has a whole conversation aroundthat.
And so, yeah, I've just openedup more and more, like the older
I've gotten and the more I lookat things that like, yeah, it's
art and it's almost.
I'm pretty much to the point ofif you say it's art, it's art,
that doesn't mean I want to seeit anymore, like I may see it
the one time or whatever.

(01:11:15):
But if you say it's art, it'sart.
And I remember being in highschool and kind of rolling my
eyes about it at the time highschool, and kind of rolled my
eyes about at the time that myart teacher al doyle, rest in
peace.
But al doyle said that it madehim crazy when people would see
like stuff at the met orwhatever and they'd be like, oh

(01:11:37):
my god, it's just a square on apiece of canvas.
I could have done that.
And he's like you you don'tunderstand what is being
explored in these things.
So you just see this square.
You're not understanding thisexploration of negative space or
whatever.
Whatever is the case for thatpiece of art, and I've tried to.

(01:11:59):
The older I've gotten, the moreI've understood that and the
more I've tried to respect thatthat.
Okay, if you say to me thatcorridor leaning on that wall is
your piece of art, then myreaction is okay, I'm going to
go over there and look at it,I'm going to see what kind of
experience I have, and then Imight ask you to tell me some
shit about it and I might walkout of here going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I don't know about that Carbador shit, I don't know
.
No, no, no, that's your purview.
Yeah, you're never going tofeel that.
Yeah, so I can see myselfwatching more of these videos.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, I can see myself watching some more, just
to be like huh, what's someother shit they're doing on
stage, Like just creative.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
It's fun.
The live event is fun andthat's why I put it on people's
radar with enough time for themto see it.
It's May 7th, 9th and 11th.
Even if you only watch thefinal, you have to subscribe to
Peacock or whatever.
I think it's $5.99 or something.
I don't know, I'm spitballing.
It could be $7.99.

(01:13:02):
I don't actually know.
I don't know, I'm spitballing.
Could be sick it could be seven.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I don't actually know .
I don't care about peacock, I'mjust.
They all find their their rightlevel to nickel dime us, it's
fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
They'll get the most out of you that that they can.
Um, we can't right, uh, butyeah, no, I.
I just wanted to bring it upnow while people have time to
plan and put it on theircalendar.
And, and again, it's not goingto be for everyone.
I clearly got the sense it wasnot for Boss, that's okay.
Again, it doesn't have to belike that.
It's just something that I'vebecome aware of recently in the

(01:13:32):
last few years.
It brings me a lot of joy, it'ssomething fun, it's music, it's
artistic, it's a nice littlecommunity event Our friends up
in Canada already know aboutbecause they they've had it for
years.
Uh, canada's, uh, you know,part of the same broadcasting.
There's a whole thing about howit actually ended up, but, um,

(01:13:55):
but yeah, I know it's something.
Uh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Again, the point of this was to yeah no, it's just
to put it on people's radar.
I like that and I like I meanit fits in thematically, right.
I mean curious, not judgmental,right, I mean it's interesting.
So I'm glad you answered aroundwhat you like about it and you
answered my other question,naturally, which was like what

(01:14:19):
did you see coming out of it?
And you said you want to exposepeople to it and give them time
to watch it on the 7th, 9th and11th, and I think that's cool.
So, yeah, I may, maybe, maybe,maybe, maybe we do a re, maybe
do a revisit after the, afterthe finals.
If, if, if boss spots out, Iunderstand, but maybe we do a
revisit to see you know who wonand we can talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely going to cover it on
the antagonist blog that'santagonistblogcom, and so I will
definitely.
You know, I got to write aboutit.
I just want to put these videosup there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
It's cool, it's something that's fun, and again,
you know, I've said again 17times tonight I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
but I'm reiterating that, yeah, know it, it's, it's,
it's good, clean, fun, and uh,you get a little glimpse.
It's not, it's not.
I don't know how telling theglimpse is into other cultures,
into other countries, into uh,uh, you know, sort of a
worldview that's a littledifferent than ours here in
america.
The thing is, I I think there'sa reason why America is not

(01:15:26):
part of this, and you know wetalk about oh it's not for you,
kind of thing.
We have the voice and we haveAmerica's got talent.
We've got, you know, world ofdance.
We have all these differentcompetitions that are sort of,
you know they're, they're sortof catering to what we think is
good or what we prioritize, and,at the very least, you look at

(01:15:47):
this and you go this is not forAmericans necessarily like, by
and large, this is a littlecorny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
I mean, if you think about and I shouldn't quite say
this because I haven't watchedit in years, actually I have a
video.
I'm going to see if I can findthose old videos.
I had these rant videos I usedto do, but one was about
American Idol, and when Istopped watching it and it was
when LaToya, london and Fantasiaand who was the other one, oh

(01:16:20):
and Jennifer Hudson were all inthe bottom three and I was like
y'all must be out, y'all gottheir mind.
I said now those three girlscan sing.
Each one of those motherfuckerscan sing.
I don't know what y'all are upto America, but I'm out.
I was like nope, nope, allthree can't be in the bottom
three, absolutely not.
This is bullshit.

(01:16:40):
I swear to you.
I started out kind of halfjoking.
I never watched it again, I,just I.
It was easy enough to walk awayfrom um and I know it's still
going, which I find fuckingastounding.
Every time I see a commercialfor it I'm like you have got to
be kidding me.
But yeah, so anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
But I think it's a format that people like yeah, I
don't know I took one look atsimon cowell and and his
negative energy and I understandwhat his role is, right.
I know I couldn't even watchone episode with that bullshit.
Just something that does notwork with my personality, um
which, you know, boss, is alittle bit of our simon cowell,
but um but well, you know, yeah,I here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Here's the thing with it, though that, I think, does
stand in contrast to what youjust shared with me and what
you've shared about Eurovision.
It seems to me that part of thefun of Eurovision and why part,
why I asked about what you likeabout it yeah, is you like

(01:17:42):
specific things?
Yeah, is you like specificthings, like one of the things
that we've learned about inschool?
I know you know this concept,but for those who don't know it,
there's this there's leastobjectionable.
Programming was a concept thatwas really important in American
entertainment generally,specifically in TV, for a long
time, because there were threenetworks and it meant like you

(01:18:07):
got in for like a third of thefucking country.
You can't make Better Call Saulin that setting, america's
Funniest Home Videos, that'sgoddamn right.
And so I think one of thethings I'm liking about what I
see here that I think that forme, sort of like, I felt like at
a certain point with AmericanIdol, which I know a guy who was

(01:18:29):
on there, I guess whatever isAmerican Idol to me feels like
the winner needs to fit theAmerican Idol mold to some in
some way.
They may look different, butthere's a certain, like least
objectionable pop song is goingto come out your mouth in the

(01:18:50):
next month, whereas Eurovisionstrikes me as the land of
specificity, the land of uglyducklings, the land of I'm going
to do some shit, that's somotherfucking crazy and I might
win this motherfucker becauseeverybody's like god damn, that
was nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
You know what I mean, and I think that's just a
different energy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
All together, it doesn't feel like that video.
Yes, it's done a specific wayto win in this setting, okay,
fine, but it doesn't feel likelet's make something everyone
will like oh god, yeah, and Ilike it's not that I like make
some fucking decisions like Ilike you know the competition

(01:19:35):
element of american idol andthose things where there's like
this, I don't know, there's thiswe get.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
We are fascinated by shutting people down.
Yeah, like, like we're more.
People have a lot ofschadenfreude about the losers.
Yeah, there's none of that ineurope, none, oh really.
Zero.
Zero is not about the thecompetition.
Yes, it's a competition,everybody wants to win and all
that stuff, but it's likeeverybody's cheering for

(01:20:00):
everybody.
There's, there's zero negativeenergy.
Interesting, uh, it's just funwhen you say fun, like, what do
you like about it?
It's like everybody's cheeringfor everybody, there's zero
negative energy.
It's just fun.
When you say fun, like, what doyou like about it?
It's fun, it is fun, it's likea party.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Yeah, it has that vibe, it's about inclusion, it's
about unity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Any messages of you know?
Again you have protest songsand things like that but, it's
not about like I don't know, Idon't know, I.
It's not about like I don'tknow, I don't know.
I'm not articulating this verywell, but for at least in the
years that I've been watching, Ihave not seen the desperation
around oh shit, if we lose,we're fucked.

(01:20:34):
You know, there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
No, I get that.
It also sounds like thoughthere can be a vibe generally in
life in America.
But you know around me of likeI like this music and you like
that music and therefore I haveto say your music sucks Like.
Why can't you just like whatthe fuck you like Like why?

(01:20:56):
Why?
You know like, think about thefamous like disco sucks Like.
Why is disco gotta suck, bro?
Just go listen to yourmotherfucking rock band and
leave them alone like theywasn't bothering you.
Yeah, but we have that about usthough, like, and I can think of
, like, you know, mc hammer,with the 50th anniversary of uh,
hip-hop.
Recently, mc hammer, you know,kind of expressed himself that

(01:21:19):
like hey, I like mymotherfucking friends.
Like a lot of you, people gaveme a lot of shit back in the day
and I remember and part of mewas like he's not wrong, right.
And I remember feeling like ohwell, you know, that ain't real,
that ain't real hip hop.
You know, come on man, that'sbubble gum shit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Ah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Oh yeah, oh no, I was anything of that ilk.
I was like come on with thatbubblegum shit.
You know, come on now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Wait, come on with that.
What Bubblegum shit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Yeah, to me that was like bubblegum silliness, like
okay, that's very nice Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
All right, you're going to have to do this.
You're going to have to walkdown what I just did for
Eurovision.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
You might have to do this for, yeah, you know what it
could be fun, but yeah, butit's a real thing, but I think,
but I guess I bring it up to saylike even in more recent
history, like Beyonce doing thecountry thing, and then you've
got people and of course raceplays into that and that's fine,
but you just in a in a vacuum,like people, there's a lot of

(01:22:20):
guard up and there's a lot oflike this is our genre.
Don't come wandering in hereand or your genre sucks.
And the vibe I got even as youwere showing the audience there
and they're going nuts and likeI'm like oh yeah, I don't speak
all these languages.
It's like it's the opposite ofthat, like it's more like yes.
Oh, you're doing a differentthing.
What's that about?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yes, yes, you're doing a different thing.
What's that about?
Yes, yes, yes, you don't haveto put another, another country
down.
You have to put another type ofsong down.
You know, it's not yeah yeah,that's not what it is from the
live gatekeeping yeah yeah, good, I'm glad you got that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
That's exactly yeah so no, that's, that's cool, man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I I appreciate it, awesome.
Hey, listen, thank you, Ireally appreciate it.
That's all I wanted was for youto have that reaction and go
all right now I know what it is,and if folks want to watch,
it's there for them for thefirst.
You know, I think it was likelast year Peacock got it, so it
hasn't been available to watchlive in America for very long,

(01:23:23):
if at all uh, last couple ofyears or so, um, so, anyway, I I
put that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
I mean they have more and more stuff on Peacock.
They're making it, they theydefinitely putting the pressure
on folks to, like you know, toto, to, to add Peacock to the
normal, the regular, regularrotation for everybody.
I feel like there have been anumber of things recently that
are available on Peacock.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
There's been some really good shows on there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
They're going for it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I can't fault them for it.
Oh shit, you're going to giveme great entertainment At a
certain point, yeah right.
You're doing it the right way,all good.
Thank you, coach.
I mean you do it the right way,so all good.
Well, thank you, coach.
I really appreciate you takingthis little journey with me.
Thank you to everyone who'slistening.
We love that you have joined usfor this very special episode

(01:24:15):
on Eurovision 2024.
Coach, where do people find you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
if they want to find you.
I'm telling you, I'm pushingunstuck as fuck, get over there,
check out the show.
It's about 70 minutes and it ispart pep rally for you and
storytelling for me, and it is agood time.
I am proud of it.
I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
As you should be.
As you should be.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
I urge everybody to pleasecheck that out and thank you for
joining us.
Please support your locallibraries.
In the written word.
And Coach is all.
By his lonesome, he gets to saywhatever his heart desires.

(01:25:01):
But even though this was notabout Ted Las lasso, we sign off
the way we always sign off,which is we remain richmond till
we gum dolla dean, sub deandean, something like this was
that supposed to be rim timtingy name?
all right, yeah, no, hey that's.
Is that supposed to be arim-tim-tingy name?

(01:25:22):
All right, yeah, no, hey,that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
I'm fucking around.
I knew I didn't really rememberit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I love it.
I knew exactly what you weretalking about.
All right, thanks everybody.
We'll see you next time.

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