Tough Cover Show -- 5/18/24

Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard talk #NFL QB rankings, #NBAPlayoffs, #Phillies/#MLB, and more! Jon Jansen joins the guys in studio to deliver his NFL QB rankings, as well!

Episode Transcript

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Time to get ready for the day'saction, from the sides to the totals
and everything in between. Nobody doesit better than the top cover with Mark
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Hello, and welcome to the ToughCover radio Show. I am your
host, as always, Mark HenryJunior. You can follow me on Twitter
at Mark Henry Junior Underscore. We'vegot a full house here in the iHeart
Studios here at the Gambler. Andit's been it's been too long. We've

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We've got Sean Bernard sitting right hereto my left, my co host.
You can follow him at Sean Underscore. Wait, I'm I'm I'm so rusty
at this. What's the what's theTwitter? Hand? That Twitter? At
Sea Underscore One. I knew therewas a number. I was like,
I think it's one. I wasgonna mix up Janson's thirty four, Jeremy's
eleven. You're one. I alwaysI used to be fifteen. I've changed

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since my numbers. The numbers aretough. We'll do colors tomorrow, as
Rico Bosco would say. And onthe ones and two's back there. We've
got Jeremy Horwat And by the way, Jeremy coming to prepare to the studio.
Me and Sean had a segment wewere talking about QB rankings. I
didn't even expect Jeremy to bring inQB rankings. He came strapped, he

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came ready to go, and he'sgot takes I do. I got plenty.
I can't wait to go over it. There's a lot of a lot
of arguments that might get started here. Me and Shane Hass pod. I
did a pod with Shane Half earlythis week about quarterback rankings on Chalk Talk.
By the way, I think Italked about this last week. But
everyone go check out what Shane Hassdoing on Twitter, the Eagles Pin Pull

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Network. He's kind of restarting whatBGN kind of just dropped the ball on
Box Media got rid of all theirteam sites, so BGN lot of people
that did a lot of great workfor BGN are looking for places to put
their content. Shane is kind ofstepping up with UH with Johnny page and
kind of making that network and hopingto get all the guys back from BGN
and some additional Eagles content creators.Great stuff they're doing over there. I'm

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sure chalk Talk will be kind ofeventually moving over there. I'm sure.
But Shane Half and I did ourQB rankings pod were bizarrely similar, not
a lot of differences, the exactsame top six. I was surprised,
but you're hearing the you guys listare so similar. It's very very similar.
That we had a couple key differences, and we'll talk about this,
but I think my list might bea little bit more different with you guys.

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So I think it's gonna be alittle bit more fun. And you
know, John Jansen is gonna havea crazy list. John Jansen's gonna have
Trevor Lawrence first, Kyler Murray,second, Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert third,
Jalen Hurts twenty four. Yeah,it'll be it'll be a fun list.
So we got to get John Janseninvolved. He started talking on Twitter.
I said, hey, you gotan open invite to come on.

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So Ans is gonna come on inthe second hour in studio. So that'll
be fun. But we're gonna talksome NBA as well, talk a little
fight and Phils by the way aswell, who might be the home of
the two best relievers in the NL. So we'll talk about that at some
point in the show. We mighteven talk about my Vancouver Canucks at some
point in this show, because I'mI'm a full blown hosier with the Vancouver

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Canucks right now. This team isthat they've had the most exciting wins I've
ever seen in an NHL playoff run. It's unbelievable. We'll talk about that
later on in the show. Becauseit's May, it's time to get people
riled up on Twitter with quarterback rankings. That's what I know. Every May
comes around with Shane and I onthe pod and we're like, you know
what, let's drop a bomb withthe quarterback rankings. There's nothing that gets

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people more fired up the streets talking. I mean, bleacher Report literally started
their website based on people liking lists, true, and I remember as a
kid, I was addicted to clickingthrough those lists. Remember how horrible the
interface for leacher Report used to be, Oh my god, do the top
one hundred and you got one hundredand one slides the click through. It's
a nightmare thinking about. But Imean, they made an entire website on

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just the idea of people liking list. People get fired up about lists,
people like ranking things. So wedid it with quarterbacks. Let's just start,
Let's start at the top. Ithink it's the only place you can
start. I did this in tiers, and I don't know if I'll put
it in tiers, and you guyscan kind of tell me if you disagree
with anything or agree with anything.But I started out with my number one

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tier, and he's in a tierall by himself, and I think it's
hard to disagree that he isn't atthis point, Patrick Mahomes is in a
tier and it's the goat tier,and no one's close to him. No
one's gonna get close to him.It would take, like, what would
it take for someone even to breakinto a tier with him? A couple
of Super Bowl A couple, yeah, a couple, A couple, Like,
it's not just one, it's notjust beating him once and the AFC

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Championship. Burrow did that obviously once. But he's in a tier all by
himself. No one disagrees. Iimagine no, no, And to add
to that a little bit, so, Pat Homes has been in the NFL
for seven years, six years asa primary starter. In those six seasons,
he's had six Pro Bowls, threeSuper Bowls, two MVPs, and
one Offensive Player of the Award,two All pros as well. Just ridiculous

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stuff that like he this is likean we've never seen before run. I
hate to be like, you know, it is the chalk pick. It
is the obvious pick. But there'sno doubt about it. He's the best
quarterback in the league and probably themost sure fire number one that we've seen,
maybe through my entire lifetime. Yeah, I think you know what.
I'm glad you stopped on the homebecause I was about to speed pass them.
It's honestly, I think you alwaysshould spend time just I mean,

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you said the three Super Bowls thing. He was in another Super Bowl.
So you have a fifty percent chanceof winning the Super Bowl if you have
Patrick Mahomes so far crazy, thatis so good. Why you just said
that, that is You're right,numbers don't lie. That's just so crazy.
You have a sixty six point sixpercent chance or whatever of making the
Super Bowl and you have a onehundred percent chance of making it to the

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overtime of the AFC Championship game,or at least to the end of the
AFC Championship game and a loss.I can't remember since he was that overtime
or did they lose the end ofregulation. It was one of the two.
But they lost at the end ofthat game on a kick, So
yeah, they I mean, theyhave lost. They haven't bowed out earlier
than the AFC Championship and both ofthose have been on like crass like walk

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off plays. So yeah, Imean, it's unbelievable. Just how and
by the way, people are gonnaget upset. I'm gonna reference team's success
here a lot with these guys,and in my opinion, quarterback wins are
a stat And I know John Jansenis probably driving from there are parks right
yeap. He's probably driving home fromby the way, one of my favorite
places in the world. Haven't beenthere in a while, but football season

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is like I'm there every weekend,so parks absolutely love it right by where
I grew up. So John Jansenis probably driving right now hearing me mention
QB wins, and he's like isgonna swerve off the road, so coming
in already, stay on the stayon the road, don't swerve. It's
gonna be Okay. We're gonna talkabout QB wins with some guys, and
I think obviously situation matters, andwe're going to talk about a guy that

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has a lot of wins in thelast couple of years who I don't really
respect because I think the situation isincredible. So we're gonna talk about those
guys, and you take everything intoaccount. But I do think that there
are the elite quarterbacks drag their teamsabove what they are what they are no
matter what their level is. That'sthe best way to put it right there.
You can tell the difference where there'sa great player struggling on a bad

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team versus the guys that can elevatearound it. And I still feel I
know Jansen disagrees with this, butI do think that team's success should stick
to a quarterback more so than justabout any player in any sport. That
when you are in the quarterback you'rethat much control of a team. And
I understand, obviously there is defense, all these other things. You don't
do it by yourself, but youjust can tell when there is a guy
elevating the team around him versus theother way around. I agree, I

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totally agree. And you mentioned thatthis is the farthest gap we've had for
number one in a long time.People are gonna get upset about that because
of Brady, but God, lookthrough the Brady years like yours. The
last page's always right. Yeah,Yeah, I totally agree. Mahomes not
only is the best number one quarterbackwe've seen, I think the gap between
him and whoever the second most playerin football is. And football is always
just gonna be quarterbacks, You're alwaysgonna think second most player is a quarterback.

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Whatever, the gap between him andthe second most impactful player, I'll
say in football is bigger than thegap I've ever seen in any sport in
my lifetime. I wasn't around forGretzky, obviously, and I don't know
hockey well enough to even comment onthat. But I'm a Lebron guy.
You guys know how big of aLebron guy I was. Kevin Durant or
whoever you want to say was numbertwo for large stretches, Steph Curry,

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whoever you want to say was thesecond most player in the world was closer
to Lebron than our number two is, and that's a good segue. I
think number two and three go together. Number two and three are could be
the best if Patrick Mahomes didn't exist, tire and it's Josh Allen and Lamar
Jackson. And there's another guy youcould include in that. I'm leaving him
out. He's the next tier downfor me. Josh Allen Lamar are clearly

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two and three. You tell meyou have Lamar too, you have Josh
Allen three. No arguments for me. Lamar did just get and I know
Lamar kind of Josh Allen gets criticismfor sure, definite criticism. It seems
like the playoff losses stick to Lamara little bit more than Alan in kind
of conversation out there, But Ido want to remind people that Lamar just
got as far as Josh Allen's evergotten in the playoffs last year, so

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they are even as even gets tome. The only thing that I'll give
Alan the slight nod for Allen hasslightly more durability in terms of he hasn't
missed the game in I guess he'smissed one game in the last five years,
so that's the are two games inthe last five years, so that's
the difference here. Yeah, theonly pushback would be the turnovers with Josh

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Allen, and I thought that wasa problem that resurface last year if there
was something that he had got overduring the early part of his career.
I'm on the same boat as youhear that. I have Josh Allen too
and Lamar Jackson three. I dothink that should be the way that things
are staggered. I like Lamar.I think I'm higher on Lamar than the
general consensus here that I think that'slike a lock for three. And the
thing I'll say about the postseason success, I think there's the Patrick Mahomes factor

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and everyone mind and the fact thatit has been Mahomes that has eliminated Josh
Allen a lot of these years.And obviously we know the overtime, the
one that ultimately changed the rules ofthe NFL because of how great that game
was. I think that gets alittle bit of a pass on the Josh
Allen side versus for a lot oflittle Lamarin situation. He's been knocked out
by guys not named Patrick Mahomes,So I think that's a part of it,
but totally with you that it shouldbe Josh Allen too, and then

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Lamar three by the way, takingJosh Allen's first year out because they weren't
very good and he was still wonfive and six. Yeah he was reckless
with the ball back, yeah yeah, but there was a bad team and
he went five and six, sothey at least like competed with him in
there. But he's fifty eight andtwenty four over the last five years,
Lamar Jackson in his career, fiftyeight to nineteen. So interesting. The
winners, absolute winners, I mean, and those are guys like we could

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talk all we want, we willabout Justin Herbert eventually, but like Lamar
Jackson, they're obviously great coaches wholecareer, good defense most of his career,
great defense some of his career.Lamar Jackson has never had a weapon
around him that has been a topforty weapon in the NFL. Maybe top
fifty, that's how like Zay Flowersmaybe last year was a top fifty weapon
if you count running backs, receivers, tight ends. Maybe he was.

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And I'm just not as big ofa mark Andrews. Guy, I think
you saw when Mark Andrews got hurt, Isaiah likely was the exact same thing.
Yeah, looked really good. Idon't think that's my maybe both.
Maybe they just have two top fivetight ends. In my opinion, I
think they probably have two average tightends too. Lamar Jackson turns into a
really good player. But that's awhole other conversation. But I will say,
Josh Allen Lamar Jackson, those areguys who drag you above whatever your

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level is as a team. SoI just wanted to throw that out there.
Next tier. By the way,did you guys you had Alan to
Lamar three? I had Lamar too, Okay, Okay, yeah, I
had Again. I think what youguys said is all. They're very similar
in rankings wise. What got mewas the turnover problem. I guess you
could say that's why I ranked himthird. They're right there. Again,

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I wouldn't argue with you guys sayingJosh Allen second. I don't think there's
any reason to not put him second. And this also always comes back to
my quarterback conversation and why went JoshAllen over to Lamar? Here is at
the end of the game, whenthere's two minutes left to play and your
team's getting the ball, who doyou want to get the ball? There?
In my mind, Josh Allen's alittle bit more of a sure bet
than Lamar in that specific situation.So I went with Josh Allen too,

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and I did look at that asa tiebreaker for a lot of these types
of conversations. And then my nexttier starts at number four, and I
have five guys in this tier,and it starts with Joe Burrow, who
I think a lot of people aregoing to say belongs in the tier above
with Josh Allen and Lamar. Ithink we just need to see it a
little bit longer. Josh Allen andLamar a little bit longer track records.
Burrow has the Super Bowl appearance thatthose guys don't have. He also has

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less consistency, less consistent success ata lot, less durability, I mean
durability something that gets attached to Lamar. Burrow's had a ton of issues stant
healthy at this real injuries too.I mean even before the real injury last
year, came into the year bangedup to the point where we were saying
we were kind of giving him apass for the for how poorly he was
playing at times because of the injury. So he either has to get tagged

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with dir ability concerns or you kindof have to grade what last year was
and what last year was was notgreat even when he played, and I
know he kind of got into arhythm towards the end of it. But
I mean they were like five hundredwhen he played and Jake Brown came in,
they're basically the same team. Yeah, I just I think Burrow needs
to prove it to me that theycan get back on track. And to

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be honest, I don't know.I don't know if they will this year.
I think since he might be infor a tough season. A lot
of discontent there. They've lost acouple guys. T Higgins once out,
Trey Hendrickson wanted a new contract.I think I'm missing at someone else who
wants a new contract. Maybe inthe secondary. Just a lot going on
in Cincinnati. Burrow, coming offthat injury that a quarterback has never had,
he had to like consult with likeI forget who it was like non

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football players. It was like playersfrom other sports who had had the injury.
It was really interesting. And Itough division, a really really tough
division. I don't know if Burrow'sgoing to break back into that tier ever.
Again, that's my boldest take aboutJoe Burrow. I think Joe Burrow
will go back to or not goback to, but he will continue being
like a very great if not like, if not that quite elite. Josh

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Allen Lamore and a couple of theseother quarterbacks I think have a little bit
more upside going forward than him.Maybe that's crazy. Yeah, I'm actually
on the exact same page as youthat I do think Joe Burrow gets propped
up a little bit in this perceptionmore than is the actuality of it.
And the biggest thing, like he'splayed in four NFL seasons, He's only
played ten games in each of those, and the injury concerns are legit.
And I believe this so much sothat I've Jalen Hurts ranked ahead of them

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on my rankings list that I haveJoe Burrow at five, Jalen Hurts at
four, and one of the JalenHurts conversation points here I had another Jalen
Hurts justin Herbert debit with a goodfriend of mine who's a Chargers fan as
we do. Which is the beef. Yeah, the origins not beef on
this one, but the origin stortof a lot of kind of my frustration
with the Herbert conversations. But oneof the things I landed on with Jalen

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Hurts that I absolutely love about himis those plays that are completely scrapped and
he just runs for a quick threeto four yards. I take that every
single time, and that's something thatI think Hurts is particularly excellent at.
Obviously there's much more that goes intoit. The big throws that he is
capable making, the stuff he cando with his legs is obviously at the
forefront of this conversation. But asfar as a baseline for a quarterback,

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I think Jalen Hurts is as badas high as it gets. For what
you're getting is kind of the standardof things. So I've Hurts is my
number four? Could you be here? I've Hurts checking in at six.
I don't have a problem with that. I think the gap between four or
five six is nothing. I haveBurrow Stroud Hurts, so you have it.
I think you have it. HurtsStroud Burrow or Hurts Burrow Stroud.
Yeah, how you next three,I have it Burrow Hurts Stroud, So

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we all have at different a littlebit different there. I have no issues
with any of that. I mean, Burrow, we just talked it out.
Jalen. I think we've talked,you know, plenty about Jalen Hurts.
And this is why I want toI mean, the main reason I
wanted to do this exercise in generalis because we always do it. But
the second reason I wanted to doit is because Jalen Hurts. The way
I'm seeing people talk about him andthe way I'm being like, can you

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win with this guy? Or youknow it is the pressure on Jalen Hurts
and all these things. Jalen Hurtshas done nothing but win. Yeah,
the guy, his first year asa starter, goes from being this team
who they were over under six anda half wins. They go out and
they make the playoffs. They winnine games with him resting the last game
of the year. The next yearthey go out and they win fourteen games

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and make the Super Bowl. Heplays fantastic in the Super Bowl this year.
I get that he was terrible downthe stretch for the last five six
games. Whatever you want to sayhe was the MVP favorite in Week twelve.
Yeah, I'm hearing people be like, oh, well, he has
to get back on track after lastyear, and it's like, okay,
he was probably like the eighth bestquarterback last year. Yeah, like and

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we will. You will notice thedrop off in this last when we dive
down, because I had the samereaction where it's like, I can't believe
how many teams are stuck with theirquarterback. And by the way, the
Jalen Hurts career record thirty four andseventeen. Yeah, and there's a couple
guys behind him who had better yearsthan him last year probably yeah, but
not many. It's hard to andmaybe you could argue for like Golson parties

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are like, are you being realIf you're gonna tell me that you'd rather
have Jared Gofferd Brock perties than JalenHurts, It's not a real conversation to
me. It's just those guys havedifferent skill sets, no disrespect, it's
not a real that's not a debate. So well, that's a whole other
conversation. But just wanted to saythat real quick because I think the Jalen
Hurts conversations are insane and I puthim at six, you could put him
higher and honestly, so, Ihave Stafford checking in at seven. I

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have Dak checking in at eight.If you wanted to put Stafford higher than
Hurts, I disagree with it,but I don't think it's insane. Dak's
great. No matter what I think, you have to include Dak and this
elite tier. There's no argument forme right now about Dak over Jalen Hurts.
With Jalen Hurts his ability to getto the super Bowl and Dak being

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you know, I don't know howyou who you compare him to, but
when he gets to the playoffs,there seems to be a legitimate issue with
Dak Prescott. That's we're past thatbeing a narrative. Yeah. And when
you say different skill sets for theseguys, to me, it's they're more
plug and play versus Jalen Hurts ismore of a system himself. Do you
want to bring up the James HardenI'm the system type conversation. I think
Jalen Hurts the guy that you plugand play on any team any he finds

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a way to make it happen.That's what I don't think the perception of
Jalen Hurds has come to enough thathe's that good. He's that level of
good. He provides that level ofbaseline for a team. I think that
gets talked about for a lot ofthese previous guys, these guys we first
mentioned. I don't think Hurts getsthat love, and I think he deserves
it. So when you speak aboutthe types of Jared Gobs of the world,
that they are plug and play.They can fit in systems, but

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I think they're more specific to teamsthan Jalen Hurds's, which is a point
in his favorite in my mind.So, you have Stafford at seven,
you have Dak Prescott at nine.I know you have it eight. We're
gonna save that for a little bitlater. How did you where did you
have Stafford checking in at Stafford?I have seven, and I know you
have Dak much lower. You havehim at twelves. Why do you have

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Dak so low? I just Ifind him as a player as he seems
like he sways like stat patting almost. I feel like, whenever they're down,
his stats just to eam to goup because they just throw the ball
over and over and his numbers lookway better than he actually proves to be
when he's at the end of agame. I don't they kind of the
example that you were saying, howif you're down, if there's two minutes
left and your team's done, youneed one touchdown right now to win this

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game? Is this quarterback going todo it for you? I don't find
dek Prescott to be one of thefirst ten guys that I would pick,
so I have him at twelve forthat reason. All right, So this
next tier that I have, Imade it my check back next year tier,
and it's three guys who I thinkcould be in drastically different spots next
year. It's number nine. Ihave Jordan Love, who I think I
have a lot higher than both ofyou guys have him way higher. And

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I'm afraid to be honest with youthat I don't have him high enough.
Wow, because he was that gooddown the stretch of last season. I'm
trying to figure out the exact pointto cut it off. You could go
a little bit earlier, but I'mgonna say from November nineteenth on the last
eight games of the year, youhad a guy you had two one hundred
and fifty yards, eighteen touchdowns,one interception. It's eight yards forer at

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time from number one of the NFL. Yards for a time, number one
of the NFL two rushing touchdowns isseventy point two percent completion percentage, I
mean two hundred and seventy yards ofpassing per game. And then you get
into the playoffs where he, youknow, lit the world on fire against
Dallas, had a near perfect game. Then he goes against San Francisco,
has a great game for two anda half quarters. Kind of falls apart

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after that. But I think JordanLove is going to be talking. We're
gonna be talking about him as apotential top five guy after this season.
I'm there with him. I'm not. I don't think he has great weapons.
I think he made weapons look great. Like Christian Watson. They were
fine without him. He came backin, they were even better. He
had Jayden Reed looking like I mean, he was like a third round pick,

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looking like a guy who was reallystepping into a role right away.
I mean, I just don't youlook around. They had Aaron Jones who
missed a lot of time, andthen they had the fat guy, what's
his name, the backup running back. I always I wanted I always want
to say Eddie Lacy Dillon A J. Dillon. Do you say fat guy?
Yeah, Eddie Lacy the huge He'sa big, fat guy is slow.
He's a slow ast running back I'veseen in the last decade. That's

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why you talk about Akwon Barkley.He's slowing down. I don't know the
game needs to leave that claw.He's really slow. But yeah, I
don't think Green Bay's got these greatweapons. I think he created the situation
kind of similarly to c. J. Stroud created his situation. So I'm
all in on c. J.Stroud or Strow, I'm all in on

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Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence. Ihave ten and I have Justin Herbert checking
in at eleven. Those are thetwo like, those are the three guys
that obviously their situations are either changingthis year or they're getting older and you're
hoping progress another step. Justin Herbertis where I want to stop because Jordan
Love, you guys have him lower. But I don't think there's much of

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a conversation there. It's just youguys haven't seen enough yet, right correct?
And I am a Jordan Love guythat I'm very much pushing it.
I had him at thirteen and feelokay about that. I do think it
is a pretty likely chance he's higherthan that next year. He looked phenomenal
down the stretch last year, likehe was throwing darts fitting it in windows
that were really impressive stuff. Ido need to see it for longer.
I do need to see it foran entire year that this is real.
But I do believe in Jordan Loveand I think we are going to have

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being a conversation about him potentially beingan elite guy next year. Just not
ready to have it just now.Yeah, No, I totally agree.
The next one's Trevor Lawrence. We'regonna get more into that with John Jansen.
Where did you have Trevor at?Trevor is my number eleven, and
I know Jeremy had him at numbereight eight, so he'll make Janson happy
there. I had him at ten, which is funny because I get like
accused of being like a Trevor defenderall the time. But Janson's gonna come

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in and tell me how I'm disrespectinghim. That'll be fun. Oh he's
gonna I'm curious. I am curious. To see how high Jansen has him.
I think like five. I can't. I don't think you're allowed to
put Trevor Lwrence in the top five, and that is what I'll tell him.
But I know I have as thehighest on this list here and I'm
the one still saying top five iscrazy, and I know he's gonna have
him higher than hers. It's justfun. But you're right, you will

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in Stafford too, is my guess. You think we'll have him about Streu.
This is a long We're spending waytoo much time speculating. I just
can't wait. It's gonna be somethingridiculous. Last thing before we take a
break, I want to talk aboutJustin Herbert because Beef sent me off yesterday
on Twitter. I got upset atthat Beef tweet. I can't. Ryan

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Coyle has a certain way of ofsetnet when it comes to Justin Herbert or
joe El Embiid. It seems likethose two topics and this this time he
inter bind them, intertwined them.So he compared Joel and B to Justin
Herbert. Justin Herbert's career record isunder five hundred. Do you guys know

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what Joel Embiid's career record is inthe NBA, it's got to be above
sixty. Winning percentage would be myguest, probably a lot higher than five
hundred. He's never had a belowfive hundred year. Oh No, two
hundred and eighty seven and one hundredand forty six. Oh my goodness is
that is that? Wow? Andif you take out the first year where

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he only played thirty one games,he is two hundred and seventy four and
one hundred and twenty eight. Wow. So it's that's around like a seventy
percent right there. It's it's nota fair comparison. If you want to
make a comparison to Joel Embiid,it's pre Phillies, Bryce Harper on those
Nationals team I think is a faircomp. Or it's Philip Rivers I think

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can be a fair comp. Imean, even Lamar Lamar is the one
that I've talked myself into for Joel. Lamar is a fair comp as well
as fellow MVP. Lamar has twoof them. Joelle maybe should have too,
but he has one. And thenJosh Allen may be a fair comp
as well. Where Boston's kind ofthe Kansas City in this situation. Yeah,
and if I'm gonna be technical,I don't like throwing it out there.

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But if you're gonna throw out adisrespectful camp to Joel Embiid, it's
not Justin Herbert, it's Dak Prescott. Yeah, which I hate. I
don't want to hear that one.The Sixers are the Cowboys. I don't
want to. I don't want tohave that conversation. I don't want to
either. Let's move on. Yeah, no, I don't disagree, Let's
move on. But just saying,beef, sure there's something there. If

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we're gonna make a disrespectful comparison forJoel Embiid, make it Dak Prescott.
That also has the tied in factorof upsetting us and upsetting Philly fans.
But you have something to stand onthere. There's nothing similar about Justin Herbert
and Joel and Bid. The JustinHerbert thing is like his numbers don't even
stack up to the guys who hegets compared to. It's just like a

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tape thing, and it's just aneye test and all these guys being hard
Oh's on Twitter with their tape andI get it. He makes incredible throws.
I'm a tape guy. I'm impressedby a lot of the things he's
able to do. He's never accomplishedanything, and we're trying to throw an
NBA comparison out there for him.There's not an NBA comparison because there's nobody

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in the NBA who has won oraccomplished less than Justin Herbert, who is
at all regarded even half as wellas Justin Herbert is regarded in NFL circles.
Yeah, he threw out the JoelEmbiid comparison. I threw out Tobias
Harris, like Scotty Barnes, right, Yeah, Scottie barn that's another fair
one. I get the conversation,and they're slightly different for elevating a team
in the NBA than the NFL.But still, I'm going back to my

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initial point here. When there's twominutes on the clock and you give the
quarterback to the ball, you wantyour guy to have a chance to win
you a game. Justin Herbert hasmissed out on this opportunity a ton.
I remember specifically, there was threeconsecutive weeks last year where he had a
chance the ball in his hand,game on the line to win it.
And he came up short all threeof those weeks. That to me not
a franchise quarterback. I'm going thatfar with Justin Herbert. I just I

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just want to hear Sean, Ithink he is for an hour by himself
go off about Justin Herbert, becauseI think it's the funniest thing. Man,
you think he's a franchise quarterback.I do want to I disagree with
you, losing French. If youwant to up a generational hater, it's
Sean Bernard on Justin Herbert. Ithink I'm a hater too, but I
think I have to keep it incontext. My hate on him is not

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that he's bad or that he's evenaverage. Adham at fifteen on my list,
I think. And it's also noteven his fault. It's the media.
Correct. Yes, that's always That'salways what it is Game Herbert fault.
Yeah, you know what I mean. I have him at nine,
I have him in my top ten. But it's none of Justin Herbert's fault.
Why this entire narrative is put onhim. The media just does such

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a great job at making him looklike an absolute superstar, top three quarterback
in the league when he has anunder five hundred record in his career.
It's just it's crazy how well themedia does about my dad's texting me,
yelling me about Joel Embiid's playoff record. That's a good shirt I'll give you.
That's a good shirt long. Butby the way you included it,

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it would still be a lot betterthan Justin Herbert's record including the regular season
in playoffs. By the way,what happened when Justin Irbert went to the
playoffs? Oh he blew a twentyeight to nothing lead. Let's take a
break on the other side, we'regonna finish off the quarterback list and tell
you why Shane Hat's craziest ranking wasactually Russell Wilson. On the other side,
Tough Cover Radio Show back after thison the Gambler spreads totals and all

(28:53):
the prop that's in between. It'sthe Gambler. Don't buy yourself move Dad's
clean your head to feel that lookdown on, try your best, chuck

(29:22):
down that thing you can don't butto tell themselves dr wrong way. It
just takes some time. It willbe just hell, you know all.

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Welcome back to the t Radio Show. We are breaking down our quarterback rankings
here, and we've got a coupleof fun comments here on the screen.
Let's go with the movie comment first, Just to get out of the way
here, mister crock I said,what movie will Marxi first? Furiosa or
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Guess what those are? Two franchises,
no interest? Is Furiosa connected toMad Max? You're asking the wrong

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guy. I think it is MadMax. Too weird for me, Okay,
Mad Max is too weird for me. That that universe not into it
came to the Planet of the Ape'snever been a Planet of the Apes guy,
It's not weird to me. It'sjust never, never been, never
been up my alley. But didjust I did just move next to a
movie theater, like directly next toa movie theater, not the docs myself,
So I will be going to alot of movies. Just saw The

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Fall, guy, fantastic. RyanGosling always knocks it out of the park.
That's no surprise there for sure,Big Gosling guy. Challengers is on
the list. We're gonna go seethat this weekend with Zendaia, Big Zendaiya
guy. That could he not be? Of course, the Strangers has a
new horror remake out there. Apparentlyit's horrible, but I'm gonna see it.

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Love the original. I actually wentback and watched the sequel came out
in twenty eighteen. Never watched.It has a couple of really really good
kill scenes. Not to be aweirdo. I like horror movies, so
really really good actual sequel not badratings online too. I can't believe I
never saw it. It wasn't bad. Watched The Last Night. A couple
more movies. Twisters coming out.That's a fun remake. Trap that looks

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like a fun, fun kind ofa criminal criminal movie coming out. Joker
too, that's a big one that'sway later. Wicked. For the musical
people out there, that's a wholeother conversation. That's for another pot.
Maybe we'll talk movies with John Jansen, that's his I don't want to.
I don't want to get on hiscorner. You know, he loves being
the movie guy for sure. Yeah, he doesn't respond to me. He
doesn't respond to my movie tweets.I don't think I think he sees when

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I talk movies. He's like,I don't want to dignify this with a
response like this guy doesn't know movieslike I do, so maybe maybe I'll
corner him and make them talk aboutmovies today. But let's get back to
the quarterback rankings. I haven't beenable to fully lock in on UH on
Twitter to see if they're if there'sany anger or which which people which rankings
that people don't like here, ButI think that there's a couple controversial ones

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and they come up kind of rightaround here. So tier five, I
have Kyler Murray checking in at numbertwelve. I have Kirk Cousins checking in
at thirteen, and I have JaredGoff checking in at fourteen. I have
Aaron Rodgers checking in at fifteen.I have no name for this tier.
I don't know what this tier is. You could tell me you rank Kyler,

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Kirk, Golf Rogers any which way. I kind of understand it.
It's gonna be a personal preference thing. I think Kyler has the highest upside.
I think we kind of erased thatyear where Kyler was at eleven and
one. Yeah, very good.He had a crazy year. Cliff Kingsbury's
an idiot too, so I thinkthere's a chance Kyler maybe not this year,
but next year really gets back tobeing that kind of elite tier guy.

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But that's why I put him slightlyabove Kirk and Golf. The reason
Rogers legs slightly behind he's now fortyone coming off of an Achilles' injury.
I think there's natural concern. Iso to lay out my list here,
I have Rogers at ten, TrevorLawrence eleven, Kirk Cousins at twelve,
Jordan Love at thirteen, Kyler Murrayat fourteen, and then Justin Herbert is
fifteen. Is the way I playmy list out here. I'll start off

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with Rogers. I get the concernsage all this. I think there's a
little bit of his personality has infiltratedthe way we view him as a football
player that I think there's a lotof people that are anti Iron Rodgers for
reasons not on the football field,and I think fair yeah, I think
that we forget how talented this manis as a pure football player when you

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take away a lot of the otherstuff, which obviously is at front and
center when he has not played footballin over a year at this point.
So I think that's a part ofit. I still kept him right at
that ten spot, because I dothink there's a world where he elevates this
Jets team to a borderline real dealcontender this year. I think that's very
much on the table. We willsee how his body looks and all those
things. I get the age allthese conversations, but he was still pretty
good in his final season with thePackers there, so I'm not ruling him

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out. Kept him at ten.I think Kirk Cousins at twelve, Kirk
is. It's been a wild trajectoryfor Kirk, and the Michael Pennox things
only complicates things down in It Atlanta. But I think Kirk is real deal
good and has overperformed for himself throughoutthe entirety of his career. Deserve some
love for that. Kyler Murray atfourteen, I'm with you, but I
think he's flown under the radar forhow good he was at a point in
time. I still think he canfind that again. But I don't think

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the book is written on Kyler Murray. I think that like that's a guy
that if I'm buying stock right now, I went in on a little Kyler
Murray for sure, especially with MHJ. Now not Mark Henry Junior but Marvin
Harrison Junior checking in there, Ithink he's gonna be like if we were
doing receiver rankings, I think Imight put him to to you know,
right up there, he's really goingto break in, I think right away
and be maybe for Fantasy top ten. I'd have to look at the fantasy

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rankings, but he probably He's aguy who I'll be targeting big time there.
The next tier I have here ismy average tier, and we're going
to get to the Caleb will Williamscomment from Dives there in just a second.
But my next tier is my averagetear, which is Tua and Gino
leading it off. I have twoof sixteen, Gino seventeen, and then

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a controversial ranking that people won't like. I have Brock Purty at eighteen.
Now Shane Haff put his out.He had Brock Party at fourteen, and
he had forty nine ers fans wantingto burn down his house. So I
think that the Brock Party discourse isalways going to be poison. It's literally

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my least favorite conversation I can everremember having to have in sports, because
I don't think anyone has the abilityto think with nuance, and there's a
lot of what about ism. There'sa lot of well Jillen hurts his good
weapons. Oh well, Patrick mahoonsis in a system with Andy Reid.
It's like step back and realize thatbrock Party is playing with the best running

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back of the last twenty years andChristian McCaffrey. Go look at fantasy projections
for this season. Tell me thenumber two pick is they have at least
eighty less projected points on ESPN Fantasythan Christian McCaffrey before the season. Besides
Christian McCaffrey, they have Brandon,a top ten receiver, Deebo Samuel Shane
haff will get upset with us forI think a top twenty receiver. He

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thinks he's like top forty. Hethinks he stinks. But Brandon, I
you ca and Deebo Samuel George Kittleat tight end, who's the second best
tight end in the NFL and afirst ballot Hall of Famer alongside Christian mccaffery's
also going to be a first ballotHall of Famer. Not to mention Trent
Williams guarding at right tackle. He'sa first ballot Hall of Famer as well.
And then that's not to mention KyleShanahan, who in my opinion,

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is the greatest offensive play caller ofmy entire lifetime. I think he's probably
going to be a first ballot Hallof Famer as well. Maybe not because
if you don't know the Super Bowl, he might have to win a Super
Bowl to be a first ballot Hallof Famer. As a coach. There's
plenty of coaches or in the Hallof Fame without a Super Bowl. Probably
just not first ballot. He'll bea Hall of Famer as well. No
fan base will get as upset withyou. By the way, You also

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forgot about the elite defense. Yeah, well go, Yeah, that goes
without saying. They've had a consistentlyelite defense each year, especially the two
years with Brock Purdy. But nobody, no fan base will ever get upset
with you more for telling you abouthow their team has copious amounts of Hall
of Famers and elite players on it. No one will ever get more upset

(37:10):
with you than the Niners fans dobecause it props down their little vanity project
Brock Party. Like I think theBrock Purty conversation is my least favorite I've
ever wanted to have. And ifyou would tell me straight face that you
don't think Tua or Gino or JaredGolf would be better in that system or
just as good, at the veryworst, just as good in that system

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in San Francisco, you're lying toyourself. And I'll just tell you if
you rank Brock Party above Kirk Cousins, Kyle Shanahan disagrees with you, because
Kyle Shanahan thinks Kirk Cousins is likethe best quarterback in the NFL. And
by the way, part of thisconversation is, look at how successful they
were with Jimmy Garoppolo, as wehave evidence here of a worst quarterback having
near the same success as the situationwith Brock Party. And the other part

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that I wanted to bring in here, the other bone I have to pick
with you, Mark, Yeah,yeah, is too attack real quick before
we get to uhuh the Brock Partything you mentioned Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo
didn't even have Christian McCaffrey and theystill had success. They still were very
and they still propped him up andmade him look above average and went to
the Super Bowl. And now theyadd the best playmaker in the NFL.

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Go on two and on, I'mbeing held to high court here by the
two and on committee. My lastbrock Party thought, by the way,
there's nothing he can do about iteither that you can't break the stigma here.
The situation is what it is.The book's kind of written on.
You're in a good spot, You'redoing great. Maybe if he wins a
couple of super Bowls and these typesof things. But I think brock Party

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were always going to look at youlike this. Unfortunately I have him at
at seventeen on my list for therecord here, But yeah, the two
of conversation. You don't think twois special, No, definitely not at
this point. And I'm a twoa guy. I'm a two and no
believer. I defended him when timeswere tough. I defended him when people

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were saying he wasn't a starting quarterbackin the NFL. I defended him when
people were saying he was the biggestbust in years all that. But at
this point, I think you dohave to look at some of his performance
in big games, and you haveto look at how he closed this last
season, and it seems like ifyou remove any portion of Tyreek Hill,

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Jalen Wattle, or Tron Armstead aroundhim. Then he really falls apart,
and it seems like if you takehis first read away, he really struggles
to move through progressions. And he'sanother guy who I think is being helped
by an incredible situation Tyree, TyreekKill, Jalen Wattle, Mike McDaniel.
So I would find it hard tonot give him a little bit of a

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tax similarly to Purty. Now hedoesn't have Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle,
he probably has better receivers, andhe has Mike McDaniels, who's not quite
Kyle shanahan, but an offensive genius. I do think that has the factor
in and I'm starting to think hemight be the thing that's kind of holding
them back. And I'm still sayinghe's above the median. If I have

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him sixteen, he's above the averagemedian. He's right there at average,
but he's slightly above average. He'sin the top half of quarterbacks in the
NFL, or starting quarterbacks. ButI find it hard to believe that I
can rack them above a Kirk Cousinsor and Aaron Rodgers or That's where I
struggle. Yeah, I think there'sa lot here for starters. The Mike

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McDaniel conversation is relevant. I thinkMcDaniel's excellent. I think he does a
great job scheming things up, andthere's no doubt about the weapons that there
are down there in Miami. Ithink there's a little bit of a lefty
thing here that I think if hewere ready quarterback, he'd be viewed slightly
different. And I always thought itwas funny kind of those videos that would
come out just flipping his mechanics completelyand how different it looked. I do
you think there's a weirdness with thelefty quarterback thing that sometimes comes his way?

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I hear you only playoff stuff.I mean they got bounced by the
Chiefs this year, like we kindof looked in it. Yeah. And
the weather, I do think isa real conversation to have with two because
it was cold weather, cold situationand we have not seen him have any
sort of success in that. That'sdefinitely an asterist to throw there. But
I just think the type of offensiveproduction he has, the numbers that they

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put up in that offense, yougot to give the quarterbacks some amount of
credit for him. I do thinkthat he's still better than average. I
have him all the way up ateight on my list and feel fine about
that that I think Tua is realdeal good, that I think he's a
guy that you can put in differentsituations, that he's not just a product
of Mike McDaniel, That it isa I guess partnership is the best way
to put it there. That Ithink they make each other better. So

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I like Tua. I think thisis going to be a bit of approved
year for Tua, absolutely, butI do think that the conversation is far
more negative on him than he deserves. Here's what I'll say on Tua.
And I hate to even do this, but you have Gino a lot lower
than I do. M hm.You have Gino at twenty two, and
you have two up at ten orRadio two eight, you have two up
at eight. There's not fourteen spotsof difference between two and Gino if you

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look at Gino's twenty twenty two andtwo is twenty twenty three, and I'd
say Gino is in a much workspot. I mean, DK is a
really good player. Tyler Lockett's afine player. They didn't have JSN in
twenty twenty two forty three hundred yards, thirty touchdowns, eleven picks, where
Tua in uh Tua last year hadabout I think forty five hundred yards.

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That's also an outlier year for Ginothat he Let's not forget the many years
of him being horrible and now quarterback. I think at this point I'm past
thinking he had a second year wherehe was passable like he was in an
average quarterback last year. I mean, his twenty twenty three was pretty in
line with two of his twenty twentytwo. I think already Tua has had

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more good years than Gino's. AbsolutelyI agree with that. I agree.
But if we just take their lasttwo years and and mash those two years
together and combine the stats, they'renot that different. The stats are pretty
similar. But you can't just wipeaway the what should have been the prime
of Gino's career years. I can't. I'm not. I don't you know,
he sat, he got a chancein the Jets. He got ruined

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right away. He wasn't ready andhe I'm ruined by the way. You
mean, through thirty four interceptions overthe span of two sears. That was
twenty thirteen fteen. I mean that'slike literally more than a decade ago.
Like I'm not holding what Gino didwhen he was twenty two on this ranking,
Like I think he's just he iswhat he is now. He's a
low thirties quarterback. And I don'treally take into consideration that he sat for

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I mean, he was a backupfor most of that time. It's not
like he had all these chances andfailed at them. Like he really had
one chance and it didn't work outwith in a terrible situation in New York.
I mean, how many quarterbacks havesucceed I mean after that was like
Christian Hackenberg and how many guys didn'twork out in that era for the Jets.
But I'm at the point now likeI'm washing away those years from Gino.

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I don't just like I'm not reallyworried about what Tua did his first
year or his second year. Ithink I'm evaluating to it based in the
last two years. And I thinkboth these guys are kind of the baseline
guy in the NFL. He hadfifty turnovers in his first two years.
He was bad when he was ina decade ago. For sure, he
was in the two years span thatI will not tolerate any Gino Smith hate

(44:07):
over here. Fifty turnovers. I'mjust surprised. Seriously, We're like,
we're bringing up his twenty thirteen andtwenty fourteen stats. Well, it's still
a part of him, Like hedefinitely failed. It is kind of my
assessment here two has never failed thateven in his bed season. Who was
a better prospect? Yeah, yeah, but Gino was a what was he
second overall picks something like that.Yeah, he went late second round because

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it fell in the draft. Yeah, but he went late in the second
round because he had to. Theyconvinced him. They had to convince him
to come back to Radio City MusicHall after he didn't go the first night.
But Gino had a lot of maturityissues. I mean, Gino had
a lot of issues going on.And I was never I was not a
Geno guy coming out of the draft, Like I wasn't a Geno believer.
I think we are disrespecting what Gino'sdone in the last two years. I

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mean they went nine, they wentnine and eight this year. It's not
like people are talking about Gino like, oh, he fell off a cliff,
Like they had same team success orwhat did they go nine and eight
the year before were as well?Uh, nine and eight the year before
year, but they went nine andeight. Yeah, they went one and
one without him. Drew Locke beatus. That was fun. But yeah,
I Gino. I think you're beingdisrespectful towards Gino and that, honestly,

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I feel like a comparison to that. I mean it's a little more
lopsided. But like Zach Wheeler eightyears ago was not a very good Yes,
he was not very good. It'sdifferent because Zach Wheeler is a way
better player right now than Junior Smithis right now. Yeah, it's to
the same extent like Zach Wheeler eightyears ago, you'd be like, there's
no way he could even be anaverage pit talk about like a late bloomer
in the MMRB who like comes uplate, And it's like, it's kind

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of like that. I'm not worriedabout. I think we have to evaluate
Gino based on what we've seen inSeattle. Do you think this version of
Genie Smith is who he is?Is what you're saying, Yeah, I
don't think that he's all of asudden going to turn into a pumpkin.
I don't think he was with someI mean, he had two different ocs
the last two years, like andhe he was. I mean, he
wasn't as good as he was twoyears ago, but it wasn't some crazy
I'm curious, like because he playedtwo less games and he threw, he

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only threw for six hundred less yards. He might have had about the same
like passing yards per game this yearas he had the year before. He
had a little just less touchdown luckwhich touchdown Yeah, his touchdown percentage went
from five point two percent to fourpercent, but his passing yards per game
went down ten yards. He wastwo hundred and fifty two yards per game,
two hundred and forty two yards pergame. So it's like he's still

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at the same team success. We'regetting too hung up here on Genoa,
but I will just say I thinkGino I was going to be an argument
going forward. I think I dohave two to ten and Gino twenty by
the way, so I don't evenknow. And even though I was arguing
with that ideal guy, I knowI'm the Gino guy. I still loved
you. That's why I won't toleratethe hate. If Gino forty nine ers
people would won him as like atop five quarterback getting the same party stuff.

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He's better than Perty. That's whyI put Party at seventeen, and
I almost still wanted to put GenoSmith above Party. I wanted to put
pretty lower, but I felt likeI was doing something wrong. If I
don't know, it felt weird.If Brock, yeah, I know what
you mean, it's weird. IfBrock Party was in Seattle, he would
not have had the success that Gino'shad the last two years. That I
think is that he would be Drue. Yeah, I agree, completely less

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cool than Drew Locke too, that'scool. This next year, I think
all goes together. Below average,but definite starter. They these guys are
definite starters. Baker Mayfield at nineteen, Derek Carr at twenty, who,
by the way, similar like theGeno to a conversation. Go look at
Derek carr stats last year and Baker'sstats last year. I love the sing
the same, I love it thesame picture. Derek Carr has been Yeah,

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Derek Carr has been like awesome throughhis career. If you just want
to look, Car has been disrespectedfor so long. I haven't had twenty
one by the way I have,and they were all disrespecting them. But
yeah, people are like, like, do they have a starting quarterbacker,
and it's like, yeah, he'sBaker Mayfield. The same issues are gonna
have. We have John Jansen behindme. That, by god, that's
get it. Yeah, I getthat. Get that pop up the current

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uh and then popping in right behindBaker and Car. I have fields in
Russ as a tandem checking in attwenty one and twenty two. You could
convince me to flip those, butI have fields in Russ Steelers guys,
and then my last guy I willI will jam into that tier. And
I feel passionately about this. Ifthe Raiders start an O'Connell over Gardner Minshew,
they are making a massive mistake inmy bold prediction having how we're going

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to break here because we're gonna bringJohn Jansen in and get more into this.
By the way, the whole showis just turned into quarterback pretty much.
I love this. This is fun. But Gardner Minshew, I have
at twenty three, and if theRaiders start Gardner Minshew, the Raiders will
win nine plus games and I havethem in the playoffs. How about that?
Wow, that's a little onion hanger, break out the Georts Raiders over

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six and a half wins. Theygo ten and seven, wow, and
take a wild card spot. Onthe other side, we bring John Jansen
on to see where where we gotit wrong? See where he has these
guys checking in on his list,Yes, Herbert above, Patrick Mahomes or
not. See if I'm curious,I have inside sources when I was just

(48:57):
talking to him, I'm not gonnarelease anything to you. I cannot waiting
to hear this. Oh it isso much worse than you. Oh boy,
John Janson on the other side,quarterback rankings after this, Caddy,

(49:22):
He's good because it was welcome backto it to called radio show. My
god, it's John Janssen's music.Dude, this is so rules Billy.
I like Billy. I haven't gota chance to the album yet. I'm

(49:44):
definitely gonna I'll be there. Iknow you're a live guy too, right,
And this is way better. No, she's really good. The album
of the year for me was actuallyKesey Muskrage Keep her Well. I think
I think My Fair a good,very very good album. This blows it
out in the conversation. I thinkso the other one. I hate that

(50:07):
the Tortured Poets that I think thatwas like her best album. I don't,
I'm not don't and everybody that's thefavorite to win the Grammy for twenty
twenty five. Of course one moreinfluence, but I just don't. I
don't think she's gonna do that.Yeah, it's it's just gonna But this
is amazing. The Fall Guy.You see that movie, Brian Gosling,

(50:28):
Oh, yeah, Saw. Ithought it was really good. I loved
it. I just saw. Ithought it was It was a great like
we haven't had that many great likerom com blockbusters on a module action and
yeah, little action. I lovethat. Yeah, by the way,
it's like a rom com, that'swhat. Yeah. But having the premise
be through a stunt guy and didn'tdoing a lot of cool stunts, it
was just a great It was agreat idea. It was a really fun

(50:50):
uh and and the story was likereally, I don't know, it was
a classic like really mid two thousands, late two thousands kind of story.
I liked it. I don't know. There's there's a lot to love about
the one pick apart, and Ithink it's part of the movie. The
movie they should the movie they weremaking shouldn't have looked like the worst movie
of all time. I think that'spart of it was. Yeah, it
looked stupid. It was supposed tobe some crazy, stupid sci fi movie.
Yeah, but fun movie. I'venever been a big Emily Blunt.

(51:15):
What now I feel like what EmilyBlunt is royalty? What am I supposed
to like? She got nominated forOppenheimer. I did not think she was
in that movie enough to get nominatedor made a big enough impaction. But
like, I should have actually playeda bigger part in that. I thought
they did. The only prities havethat movie they should have used. It
was the other actress in that movie? Was it? She was better?

(51:37):
I think thought because Emily Blunt hadthe one that one big speed you know
that moment. Yeah, I get. Basically it was Nolan like, hey,
we have Emily Blunt, let's haveone really good scene. What is
she in that I'm supposed to belike? Oh my god, That's why
I respect Emily Blat the Quiet Place, I get it. I hated the
second one. I love the firstone. I know, just on that

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one. I didn't like the secondone, but well, the first one
was way better. The first onewas incredible, and by the way,
I'm really excited for the prequel tothat. But she was in the devil
Wares product that was a big movie, never seen. I've never seen it.
She was she was Mary Poppins.Yeah. I feel like it's just
like a lot of stuff I wouldhave never seen. And I'm like,
it's one of those people where Ifeel like I got introduced to Emily Blunt
when she was already super famous andit's like, you don't love Emily Blunt,

(52:20):
and it's like I don't, Butshe was great in this. This
is kind of like, it's reallyfunny. She was really funny, Like
the scene where she kept setting themon fire. Her and Gossling both were
on top of their games. Theyhad a lot of fun with that movie.
It's pre date movie. I'd say, awesome movie, one hundred recommend
as a date But what what doyou inp I just said nerds speaker talking

(52:50):
about movies, A big budget,blockbuster movie. It's not like we're sitting
here talking about sports channel fellas.It's kind of like we're sitting here talking
about nothing. Movie. Okay,movies are entertainment. People like movies.
I'm joking. I watched wrestling.It's cool. We all do nerd my
toes in a little bit roads.It's gonna be fantastic, though, It's

(53:15):
gonna be fantastic, John Jason,let's talk about let's talk about quarterbacks.
That's why we had on we wetweet there's nothing better in quarterback and talking
about quarterbacks. Oh, it's sofun. I talk about quarterbacks every single
day on this program. It's somuch. It's yeah, it's always you
know, I could have we coulddive deep into Okay, see Dallas tonight,

(53:36):
and I'm sure I'm sure San Bernardisis itching to talk a little basketball
over there. But I think it'sI think it's mid May. I think
there's only the NBA playoffs. Iknow quarterback talk is over everything. I
hate doing quarterback rankings during the year. I like that we're in the yeah
week, the week we're gonna reactto things. So it's on such a

(53:57):
huge basis. I mean, wesee in the NBA players. I don't
think there's any the reason I've actuallykind of dropped off with the NBA following
uh, like the podcast and allthis stuff. I don't think there's any
game to game. The overreaction cycleon the NBA playoffs is unlike anything else
in sports. That's definitely true.I mean it's like like take the Nuggets
Timberwolves for example, real quick,like the Timberwolves go up O two,

(54:19):
people are running with we crowned theGang way too early. The Denver Nuggets
runs earlier. Then it's three totwo, and it's like, wow,
look at Jokis with the greatest comebackin NBA history, and then he loses
in Game six? Now is threethree ahead into a Game seven? Really?
How this series was supposed to goall along? And we've had both
sides of crazy overreaction. But that'salmost why I like don't even want to
talk too much about it because ifI'm not going to overreact, but like,

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what am I going to really say? It's like, yeah, good
series, both teams could win,So it's not really like and I'm not
saying anything actionable or interesting. WhatI like is these quarterback I like doing
these quarterback rankings when everything's static,like every no one's moving up and down
right now, we're all we canuse the stats as data and it's not
like, oh, you only playedthis amount of games. So John Anson

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quarterbacks quarter he just talked way toomuch about basketball. I know he got
I got a little quarter quarterbacks.Let's you have Mahomes one, I imagine.
I don't know Mahomes is one.Did you tear this at all?
Or is it kind of just thetop of my brain A little bit of
you know, liquid running through myveins helping me? What what? Adrenaline

(55:22):
in my soul? I had beers, what what? Yeah? But after
this list made me a little alittle crazy. He checked it at number
two for you, Lamar Jackson,okay, okaya closes. Do you have
Josh Allen number three? Josh Allenthree? It's not close, it's not
think is better much better? It'snot much better. But I think Mars

(55:44):
a two time MVP now and he'shis passing has gotten so much better.
He's apparently going to be faster thisseason because he's lost a bunch of weight.
I don't know. Yeah, itseems hard to do, but yeah,
the guy's everything. I think.I think he's a total package.
And I know they came up short, but they went to and he's right,
he's he's gone just as far andjust can't be Patrick Mahomes. So

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that's that's Yeah, that's one catcherI think for all these guys in the
AFC is that, Yeah, you'renot gonna be able to be Patrick Mahomes.
But I think the guy's gone,yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom
Brady's gone here beat him once.But I mean, yeah, that's where
it comes. Here comes Mahomes andyeah, now he's the unbeatable one.
Yeah, it's it's it's pretty insane. Well I meant it more so,
like the two two of the threetimes Mahomes lost in the playoffs was Brady.

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So there's really only one guy leftwho's taken Mahomes down in a big
game. And that was early inMahomes' career. Yeah you know, yeah,
so he and he's just getting betterthat that run he had last year
that cemented himself to me as likeone of the all time greatest quarterbacks ever.
He is. He is the topfive already to me personally, and
I think he's probably he's gonna endup number one for me. He's top
one and one for me. No, I guess I should say no one's

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had a six year run at anypoint. I've never seen somebody change his
game over and over and over again. He had to be a different quarterback
than he was previously because he wasa gun singer his fifty touchdowns, but
they Kansas City couldn't win if hetried to do that, because then there
would be a little bit more turnovers. They needed him to be efficient and
really smart, and he did itbetter than anyone, as good as anyone

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ever has. So like, thefact that he can be these multiple things
is pretty wild to me that hecan do that. And then the way
he turned it on during the SuperBowl and his athleticisn't taking over his running
ability, and the fact that hestill was so efficient. That guy's awesome.
That guy can do anything. Sothe last thing I'll kind of I'll
ask him, no, you knowwhat, let's move on. But you

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got a lot to get to.We got a lot to get to.
Number four. This is where itgets interesting. He's number four. Jeremy's
losing his mind. Justin Herbert,my god, it's not insane. Insane,
Oh my god, you guys areinsane for thinking. Justin Herbert's like
the career losing record, who isnever want to play that game? Is
the fourth to do got the Losersbefore Barrow got there. The Texans were

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the bankers had chasing t Higgins actuallydid good getting players, So we're gonna
say, but Trevor Lawrence is thesame thing where he went to the Jaguars,
they won a playoff game, Likehe's been doing well with them,
but the Jacksonville stinks. But JustinI think Justin Herbert is one of the

(58:15):
most talented. He's proven it.His numbers are always good. Everything is
great with the guy. This thingis not his career last year. Last
year was bad. I know lastyear was great, but last year was
a lane duck coach. Last yearwas a new offensive coordinator, but everybody
knew Brandon Saley was going to begone. And Staley finally is gone.
And I think now they realize theywere getting a little bit old and injured

(58:37):
at wide receivers, so they're tryingto do something different with that. And
he actually has a coach that Ithink can help him in Jim Harball.
Do something. The guy's a quarterbackguru. Even in twos he was like
the number fifteen fantasy quarterback. Likeit's not like fantasy numbers is good anti
numbers. This this guy's efficient.This guy, this guy's head play is
really good and his success rates reallygood. This guy's one of the top

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five quarterbacks. I think that's crazy. He has all to accomplish as little
as Justin Herbert he has. Hehas accomplished a lot. It's just accomplished
the Chargers having a cap he hasaccomplished. He he is an accomplished quarterback
in the NFL. He's been great. He's been He's had great games like
this guy is. This guy isan amazing quarterback. He's got the arm,

(59:19):
he's got he's smart, he's accurate, he has everything. The only
thing he doesn't have is a goodfootball team. And that's it. He
had a bad coach. He's justthe only guy who hasn't dragged his team
to being better than it is.And zero wins, zero playoff wins.
Well, he put him thirty onein the second half. His team gave

(59:43):
up like thirty four on answer point. He had four straight drives where he
couldn't get across the fifty against thevaunted four Stars defense wasn't bad, it
was all right that year year theleague. You should be picking a part
of the best defense in the league. W twenty noting this guy again he
Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence ranked tenthabove. That's just how I had n't

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to I had him too low orhad him too high. I mean like
they're saying I should have had himlower. Everyone on Twitter that Trevor Lawrence
is too low. But Trevor Lawrencehas accomplished more. Term Lawnce is too
low. Lawrence is accomplished more thanJustin Herbert in a worse situation, with
much less situation. But I don'tthink the charge of the situation has been
good, better than you want,Like Austin, I want to amazing what

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you want you want to It's beenbetter than Lamar's if you're talking about from
it from its offensive skill po ithas been in terms of but Lamar again,
I have Lamar higher for sure,for sure, but that's Baltimore has
always been organization with a good codethat respect well. I've been saying Lamar's
the second best quarterback Lamar. Ihave been very like stuck with him third.

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But him and Josh Allen are interchangeableto me. But I like to
move past to the Herbert thing.That's drive and he's number Okay, I
have him five as well's there's notmuch to say about strategy Borrow it.
I think that's fine. It's Idon't know. I don't know why rank.
He's a weird rank because I don'tfeel like that guy is overly this
great quarterback you and he does reallywell in certain situations and I don't know,

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I think if they lose t Higginsand I don't know, this year
is a big year for me.You kind of think about it the same
way. And it's and I don'tknow what, because he has he has
done a lot, and I mean, you can tell the guy's really talented.
I have him at six, soobviously it's not that well. Is
he ever getting back to that AlanLamar Mahomes level again? He could.
I struggle seeing it. I justbecause I think there's so much more talented

(01:01:37):
than he is. I think Ithink Lamar and Josh Allen specifically are so
way, way more talent. Ithink Burrow benefits from slaying Dragon and beating
Pat Mahomes once and that carries withthe reputation of Tim here. That's why
he gets so much more credit thanJalen does for going to the Super Bowl
but if you look at his performancesin that Super Bowl run in Jalen's fine,
but he's man to see what THiggins did and Jamar Chase say when

(01:02:00):
he was out and they were stillhaving solid quarterback play Jake Browning. Yeah,
with a quarterback that I don't thinkis all that good and Jake Browning
that was that was eye opening tome to see those plays still being made.
One last thing, c J.Stroud is so much better this year
than Justin Herbert has ever been inan NFL season. Definitely true. In
a worse situation, definitely true.I had to say the situation was worse.

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He made Nico Collins and Tank Dell. They weren't those guys. Well,
Nico Collins, we already knew itwas good before because he had get
it. Collins. Nico Collins isa draft, but it was. It
was a whole package. It wasDamika Ryans brought in a really great coaching
staff. I thought it was agood offensive system. I thought Demiico Ryans

(01:02:42):
was an excellent coach like that.The situation in Houston, you know,
I past Houston stuff bad, Iknow, but it's changed, like Damika
Ryan's changed overnight changed and straight Shroudwas definitely part of it. That's why
I'm strout at five. That's whatelite quarterback does is he changed the whole
you know, complexion in order tosee Herbert changed. The Chargers very quickly
continue losing games. But again,the Chargers weren't in a position to take

(01:03:06):
advantage of that because I had thewrong coach. This is where I have
to pin you down. I understandcoaching is your biggest right. We can't
brush over Keenan Allen, Mike Williamsand Austin Eckler all the time, great
court, heard all the time,heard all the I Thinkkean Allen's feel like
two full years in a row thoughheard all the time, still a great
core. I mean injuries had millMike Williams. Mike Williams for sure,
the bigger Mike, one of themore reckless. Yeah he had two,

(01:03:30):
right, he was really good inthat one year. Yeah. Yeah,
But but numbers, who's numbers?You said? Burrow six? Who do
you have seven? Trevor Lawrence,I don't have a problem with that.
Who do you have eight? BecauseI was I was hoping you did have
a problem with that, because youyou had Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence,
and I got I got bone topick with you. It's just Jordan loves.
No, it's not crazy. Thatis correct. You think Justin Herbert,

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is you having a bone? Youhaving a boone to pick with?
That is not crazy. I understandthe gripe. I think there's a chance
I have Jordan Love too low.I think there's a chance Jordan Love ends
up being like a top four quarterbackafter something that's projecting. I get that.
I'm high on Trevor. You knowhow much I love Trevor, But
a lot of that is I thinkJordan Love and la Flor's a good coach.

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For sure. The defense stepped up. I mean the defense was still
only like average last year. Imean, if he's gonna put together,
you know, really good quarterback playalong with the tools that he has,
like if he's if he has learnedto be a good quarterback and while also
having we just saw amazing athleticism,amazing arm it can throw in all platforms,
all that stuff. Yeah, thatguy's got eighteen pick in the last

(01:04:36):
eight games of the regulation. It'sreally good. But the thing is he
goes and you're right, with that, You're right with that. But everybody
like Trevor Lawrence had that last yearor a couple of years ago and had
like the greatest last eight games ofthe entire season that year. I think
everybody glazed past me when you knowwhatever that's that's but Jordan Love does and
it's all of a sudden like thegreatest thing ever. But I think I

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had Trevor six last year. Yeah, yeah, right you, But it's
everybody's still trying to figure out ifTrevor Larnce is good. When he had
those eight games last year and thenthe first thirteen games this year, he
was playing like a top five quarterbackbefore I got hurt, he was not
amazing. These are all things moreimpressive than anything justin hurt. I agree
with that. I agree with perI watch Jordan Love's last eight games is

(01:05:17):
better than any's sixteen you want topull. He did have a great Yeah,
an eight games for Justin Herbert's careerand point that it had more,
you know, more to do withwinning than Jordan Love down the stretch that
with green Bay there, I thinkJordan Love is going to be I think
green Bay is the best team inthe NFC. Besides the I definitely have
Jordan Love too low, but Ijust want to see a little bit more
of it. A little bit moremakes it a hard d that that to

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me though, that's one that Ilook at in that like he's around the
top fifteen, he's like in betweenthe top ten top fifteen. He that
thinks that there's not that much differencebetween Stroud and Love. I think they
could, but that's one that's theonly quarterback in that ranking, like around
that area that can make an exponentially. That's one I am. If Jordan
Love has starts off well this year, I mean that that guy is jumping

(01:06:01):
up to like a top six sevenquarterback, but the way he's playing,
yeah, yeah he could be.If you if you told me, there's
just so much to love with theskill set is so much love. If
you told me, make a beton who gets to that Alan Lamar tier
below Mahomes and I think it's lovefor me. Yeah, maybe let me
make that bet. Maybe Stroud andBurrow the same player almost. I think

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Stroud's more talented, you think so. I think he's more talented. I
think he's more mobile, and thenhe's not. I think he's pretty much
because Joe Burrow. I think it'sdecent mobility. Stroud's scarier. I don't
know this fist injuries, Stroud's that'sso weird. But Stroud's scarier when they
get him out of the pocket,I think, and he elongates the plays
and it's like that Georgia game,Ohio saying it was like that last seam

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really started moving. But I thinkhe moves. He moves a little bit
better than Joe Burny. But yeah, I don't think they're both running quarters.
But I think Burrow does that welltoo. I think Burrow does outside
of the pocket. Yeah, Idon't know why I am as well.
The injury, Yeah, the injuriesare kind of getting me. Who's checking
in after Trevor there? Dak Prescott. Dak can't have Dak above Jayalen Dak

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Dak Prescott, I know, butDak Dak's consistency over the last few years,
the average, where do you havehim? He was average last year?
Have him eight? I have whoDak Dak? We have him in
the same spot. But I knowyou guys are gonna hand jail. Is
he going to be continue to belower? Is he not checking in at
nine? Or ten, Matthew Stafford'snine. This is crazy man. Kyler

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Murray. Kyler Murray's ten better thanJalen Hurts. There's no, there's not
there is not a general manager inthe NFL would rather have Kyler Murray.
I would have not one, notone, maybe NFL. I would have
Oh yeah, my my NFL startingquarterback, a deal with child's offense and
a child's coach in Cliff Kingsbury.He's also a child's size. He's five

(01:07:53):
and he's still really good. He'sgot a great arm, and he's not
jail. It was. It wasawesome super Bowl in his career. The
Cardinals never get it together. Imean, I don't think again with a
coach that I thought. I agreeand that's why. And by the way,
people are going to tell me twelvewas too high, that I have
him above guys who are better thanhim. But like Aaron Rodgers, I'm
above Aaron Rodgers. But Kyleiea Ihave I have I've heard above Rogers Rogers.

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Where do you have hurt eleven?Wow? I think last last year.
Last year was troubling. He wasthe en we be favored in Week
twelve, but he was not evenclosed with MVP. He was not playing
in an MVP. I think hewas for the first eleven weeks. Absolutely.
I do not think he was betterthan was for the first eleven weeks.
I again, I don't. Ireally didn't see that. Like I
think there were some really shaky,inconsistent play and then went off to the

(01:08:38):
party. By the way, thee P a thing I looked at.
Definitely he was. He was numbertwo in e PA for the first year,
was last year, behind Dak,Butrever was three or something for that
run. It was it was concerning, especially when his running wasn't good,
that everything really fell apart. Andthere's there's a lot to go along with
that. I know, context mattersin those situations. The coaching, yeah,
coach, yeah, definitely, BrianJohnson. Sure, there was a

(01:09:00):
lot of questionable play calling. ButI think part of why the RPO started
out to work is because he couldn'trun, And when he couldn't run,
then all of a sudden his passingsuffered because it wasn't things weren't opening up
and a little bit easier the waythings were. The thing is when things
are there to be made, JalenHurts is about as accurate and about as
efficient as you can get once there'ssomething there to be made. But I

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can't get past the fact this guybails out on a lot of really good
plays. Why does Joe Burrow getthe benefit of the doubt for playing like
crap for half the year that heplayed he only played nine or ten games.
But Jalen Hurts, who went elevenand six right, because Joe Burrow
did did play at a really highlevel before and like I to the did
that for multiple years. And JoeBurrow, I still think, is really

(01:09:43):
four played four NFL years and itonly almost first theory missed most of it,
the first missed, most played wellin some of those. Then two
years are really good and he gotto AFC championships, like this guy is.
This guy has done it a lot. Joe Burrow has accomplished a lot.
And there's gripes I have with JoeBurrow, for sure, I think
everybody this laughair of him hurts.But I just think it's hard to put

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Burrows six and ignore everything that justhappened last year, and say Jalen Hurts
gets downgraded out of the top ten. It's the injury Burrows The big thing
is injuries, and I really don'tknow how to how to rank him because
of that. But Jalen he said, when Hurts can't run, then it
takes the way. So that's injuries, right, but it's also there there

(01:10:25):
are some ongoing issues that went awaylast year for Jalen Hurts the year prior.
Uh it went all away during thatSuper Bowl year, but these things
crept up again and he got intosome of his awful habits from college from
his first couple of years in theNFL, and those things really worried me.
And to see, you know,I I of course read a few
guys like Nate Tyson, Stephen Ree's, like all these guys that really looked

(01:10:47):
deep into even Nate had a reallygreat article like Hurts. Hurts has issues
like Hurts and some of those things. Again as a runner, he can
he can some of those and it'sreally good. We know that Jalen Hurts
can in the right situation and theright kind of offense, and when he's
healthy, there there are things thathe can do to hide some of that

(01:11:08):
stuff. And the Eagles, theEagles have the offense to hide some of
that stuff as well. But thosethings are there. He is not good
in the pocket. He is oneof the worst Mury. Kyler is better
than the Yeah, Kyler is notin the pocket of jail in the pocket,
but he move. He moved,but he finds throwing, moves better
in the pocket and hurts out.Is one of the worst pocket maneuvers in

(01:11:31):
the entire absolu. There's an effenthrowing in the pocket and being able to
move in the pocket and being ableto actually player. I've seen Kyler step
Kyler's really good. Kyler is reallygood for it where Kyler steps up.
Yeah, And that's that's why KylerMurray is attend because there are some things
that he can't do because he superthe Eagles were a great team. Kyler

(01:11:55):
Murray has never had that. KylerMurray has never had that. He plays
backyard football because sometimes he has to. But if you look at Kyler murray
instructure, which, by the way, Arizona's offense instructure with Cliff Kingsbury was
absolute doll crap. It was anoff Sirianni who didn't know how to pick
up a blitz in this every singleoffense was better than whatever Cliff Kingsbury is
doing. And the only thing thatmade it work was Kyler started doing some

(01:12:17):
backyard stuff and DeAndre Hopkins is likewas inhuman at times, like he just
was awesome when he was with Arizonaand things are going well. Yeah,
I think there's some defensive stuff andeven the Herbert thing. A lot of
people are gonna say that Kyler overhurts his brutal. Yeah, brutal.
There's there's some things I'm really worriedabout, and not to say it hurts
can't move up the list. Ithink he can. But some things crept

(01:12:39):
up again from previous years and andsome of his stuff in college it crept
up again, and that's some reallytroubling stuff. If that were to continue
like this, this whole pocket stuffhas got to stop because he is leaving
so many places for the first timebecause running definitely helps. And how is
ep this thing that we get touse it to catch off? I thought

(01:13:00):
it's it's not a catchup. It'sbecause there's there is like two things to
that. There's EPA and then youwatch the quarterback play and so Trevor Lawrence
I can see making great reads.Trevor Lawrence makes some reads and throws that
most quarterbacks in this league don't evendare to make and he has to because
the offense is really bad. Theoffense had bad play calling, the offense
isn't structured all that well. ButTrevor Lawrence finds way. You can see

(01:13:23):
that there's things he does in thefield that there's not many quarterbacks like he
is one of very few that cando some of the things that he does
Jalen Hurts. If you watch theplay, there are some really troubling signs,
like it's hard to look past thatEPA is good. Definitely, like
there's there's there's enough talent there withHurts that he is going to be productive,
and especially in the offense with astalented as it is with the Eagles

(01:13:44):
offense, there's going to be production. But I can't once you watch some
of this stuff, watch some ofthe play that he has, there are
things that he does that most quarterbacklike you shouldn't be doing in the NFL,
by the way, and like wewould be we would be knocking all
quarterbacks that they did this. Ifthere's quarterbacks that bailed in the pocket or
that moved in the pocket as badas Hurts, that's all we'd be talking
about because that is a big partof the NFL game. Kyler had sixty

(01:14:06):
one turnovers his first three years.The NFL interception and then he tumbles and
fumbles. Yeah, fumbles have alwaysbeen a big, biggest, pretty big
thing when you're five foot four.Yeah, Kyler, because even Trevor Lawrence's
fumble issues. I look a lotof that stuff this year, But Kyler's
had fumble issues, yeah, hisentire career, and he had seven Kyle
ky because Kyler and Trevor both havea fumbling problem, but it both took

(01:14:29):
even though some of that stuff Iattribute sometimes and I'm okay with risks if
quarterbacks need to take them, likein off with Arizona Josh all Josh Allen's
a really good one because people willstart going crazy, Oh he turns the
ball over too much, and attimes he does, but it's worth it
because that that's what he needs todo. That's how he is productive.
And Mahomes is really good at thatbecause if you looked at actually the the

(01:14:51):
interceptions, it was like interceptions andand how they changed the game. I
forget how the graph was aligned.But Trevor Larnce is in a really good
area with Alan and Maho and that. Yeah, they turn the ball over
a little bit more than some quarterbacksand they're like all top ten and turnovers
and interceptions, so they're there,but they are way way behind everybody else
when it comes to how much ofthose interceptions actually change the game and like

(01:15:13):
how much the team lost because ofthose like they do, and that to
me tells me they know when totake the right risk. I don't know
what Kyler murrays. I didn't seehim on that list, but yeah,
there is there is something that forquarterbacks, and you should take risks like
turnover should happen because it's you're gonnathrow it in places that you probably shouldn't,
but you make really good plays sometimesoff of that. So it's just
it's finding that balance. And Ithink Mahomes is the best example of that.

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Mahomes has that balance more than anyoneI've ever seen. He has like
twenty six turnovers in nineteen games thelast two years in limited time. But
we'll take a break. And bythe way, another injury guy, Jalen
Hurts, gets gets dinged for notbeing able to run and how he gets
he's worse when he plays when heplays through his injuries. What we would
have been better with with Marcus SnaroKyler Murray. Kyler Murray doesn't get ding

(01:15:59):
for sitting out or being out forthree quarters of the year. Joe Burrow
doesn't get things for playing like crapfor half of the year. The rest.
To me, it was great tosee. I I I mean,
yeah, if if Murray didn't playall last year he played bad after that
injury, fine, But the thingis he came back from a major injury
and looked really good, like helooked like himself, which is really hard
to do coming back from an ACLinjury because sometimes it takes quarterbacks even sometimes

(01:16:21):
like a year to really fully feellike themselves. He looked like himself for
twelve weeks and then was clearly bangedup. And I threw it again,
but he was number, like,yeah, number two, and look there's
there is still good with Hurts.And I won't throw out that number because
that is significant. Through a certainportion of the season he was playing very

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well. I hate to say,but it's that that's the thing where you
got to look at both and that'swhat I try and do because the numbers,
you know, I could throw outnumbers in like I love Trevor Lawrence's
EPA numbers, but it matches exactlywhat I'm seeing, like exactly what I'm
saying. I've ever had a lotof bad games this year he had,
You're not you're not penalizing him forat the end at the end of the
year when it was Hurst. Jalenat the end of the year was here.

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But it's like, but that's theexact same It's not. It's not
the exact same sentence. It's alittle because Jalen hurts are still even before
he got injured, having some ofthose same problems. But there there it
got really bad when he got hurt. Trevor Lawnce does have a fumble problem
that I'm willing to say that maybeit's not too much of an issue if

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Jacksonville had any good structure that thatTrevor Lawnce doesn't have to feel like he
has to be superman, because there'ssometimes he has to be. I agree
some of the things he has todo on a football field is asking so
much for a quarterback. And thething is Jacksonville had success off of it
because Trevor Lawrence is really it soundslike I'm disrespecting all these guys. I
have them like not nothing. You'rejust defending Hurts and this is always my

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issue. I think the Hurts discourseswent crazy, but I'm interested actually to
hear some of your other rackets.This show is it's hot. I don't
know if that's our hot air,But can we shout out anymore rappers?
I feel like we should stop shoutingout just to like let everything get out
first, whatever's happening, and thenwe can start shouting out. Hendrick.

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I'm addicted to not Like I listenedto not Like us like every day.
Man, I'm so addicted to thatbeat right now, whatever it is,
I'm addicted to this. Let's takea break on the other side. I
don't even know if we're gonna getto the other sports. This is insane.
We just talked to quarterbacks for twohours, but I love this is
absurd talk our radio show back afterthis on The Gambler. The Gambler,

(01:18:30):
Philly's home for all things sports gambling. Yeah, right, goes down to
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Miss Sackson to cover radio show,and we're gonna We're gonna Conte real
quick. Actually, let's take apause with Pauls and the QB rankies.
I have to get the picks.I haven't even I haven't given the picks
out at all. Did you hearmy ugly baseball pick? I don't.

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I think we. I think we'regoing head to head on my first one
because I know you're Johnny Pirates.I'm on the Cubs minus one and a
half. I am a show toManaga Stan. I picked them late in
fantasy baseball I've watched. I've watchedmore showed in Monaga than any other pitcher
in baseball this year besides any Philly. He's like Musty TV to me.

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He's so exciting. I think he'sso good. And the b VP numbers
the Cubs have absolutely smoked Billy Falterthe guys who have faced them. So
I really like the Cubs minus oneand a half. I have that for
three units. Are you on thePirates? I'm on the Pirates in the
White Sox all right, only becauseand the White Sox is only just off
the principal for me, like aminus three twenty for the Yankees is insane.
Yeah, I agree, Like that'sso I get it like Yankees are

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really good and White Tox with tear. But every time I feel like that
number came up. Last year,there were enough times where the underdog won
where you go, Okay, that'sworth it, like betha doubt because if
you hit one of those, yeah, you'll miss a few, but you
hit one of those, you're good. Yeah. So I think the plus
two to sixty was just so enticingto me. Yeah, No, I
definitely, I definitely agree with that. I had my I looked at that

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White Sox thing for just a second, but I skip past it. But
my favorite bed of the day weirdone over seven and a half Rockies Giants
two exact like offensive powerhouses, butlast four overs hit for the Rockies for
the last five overs hit for SanFrancisco. Last three times these teams have
played this year, it's went comfortablyover like double digits each game, comfortably.

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So I really like the area ofTy Block and Kyle Harrison, two
guys in the mid threes for ERA. But you look at the BVP numbers
and they've both really gotten hit fromby the other sides. I'm actually seeing
that this numbers up to over eight. I would still take that and shocked
it. It was that big ofa movement from this morning. But give
me over eight in that Rockies Giantsgame, I'm all over the Phields.

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I'm at the game tonight, goingto the citizen going Citizens Back Park,
my favorite place in the world.So Phillies minus wanted to have a world
It's literally, if I had topick my favorite place in the world,
it's it's uh, it's Citizens Span. Really yeah, I think so.
I don't think I'm happier than Iam at citizens Span, pluck, good
vibes. It was a good winafter like a good win or during a
fun game where they're winning their cruising. I think it's my favorite place in

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the world. Phillies Minus won ahalf plus one twenty five first five,
Phillies minus a half a run minusone eleven Phillies team total over four and
a half. So give me allof those in there. Mackenzie Gore has
not fared well against you know,Bryce Boom. That's why I'm going Bryce
RBI and Boom RBI. But butMarkei Pucks couldn't make it to the show
today. Markie Pucks couldn't make it, so I have to report Markey pucks

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picks. I feel embarrassed to inthe Markey pucks pit in front of John
Jansen. I think John Jansen's two. I respect John Jansen too much to
do the Markey pucks nonsense in frontof him. But yeah, well you
respects you. You're here every time. You just have to deal with it.
You have to put up with it. But eight o'clock hockey, I'm
going with the Canucks plus one sixtyfive at the Mminton Oilers and first period

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plus one forty. I've been likingthese with the underdogs in the NHL.
You take them first period plus oneforty. If it hits, you get
a nice little like plus money hitthere. It's first period. Anything can
happen in hockey. Teams get offto slow starts, and if it's a
tie, it's a wash, soyou don't even get anything. Most likely
it's gonna be a tie. Ithink I like taking these first period underdogs.
It's a fun little hockey trick thatI've learned, or Marky Pucks has

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taught me, I should say.So, those are my picks for the
day. Anything from you Chan Bernardfor picks today. I stayed away from
the NBA game. Yeah. Theone I'll layout is I like PJ Washington
over fourteen and a half points inthe game tonight be Thunder and Mavericks.
I've flip flopped on a CJ.Yeah, three J. He's been absolutely
hooping. He's been the third bestplayer on that team. And by the
way, Kyrie Irving been far quieterthan should be the case. But the

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average keep winning. I do leantowards the Thunder getting the win tonight.
I think this is a series that'sgonna go seven. Dallas has some rail
deal injury concerns. Luke's kind offalling apart, but he's still hooping right
through it, so I can't fullycount them out. The game will be
in Dallas tonight, so it's gonnabe a tough win for Oklahoma City.
But I do think this is aseries that goes seven. I lean towards
Okay see winning out right tonight.Anything for you over there and anything but
the Pirates and the White Sox today. No, not really. I had

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a tough time with the Dallas OcomaCity game. I don't really I don't
really feel strong about either side.The only one is actually tomorrow. I
do feel strong that Minnesota can keepit close to take it's like four and
a half. Five. Yeah,I think I think this is gonna because
no game in this series has reallybeen that close. It's been when a
team wins, they're dominating. Especiallylast night was a really good example of

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that. I think it's gonna bea tight game, though, this is
the one where it's it's gonna godown to the wire. I'm also just
gonna take the Knicks only minus twoand a half. I think the bigger
numbers like that worries me that thethe number is so low. I think
they're just worried about the injuries,everything that's piled up there exactly. I
think the Knicks get it done.It's been It's hard to win an MSG
if you're the Pacers in my opinion, in Game seven, but I think

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Dallas if I if I had tobe honest, I have a big bet
on OKAC win in the West whenat the finals, obviously, I think
it ends tonight. If I hadthe guest, I think Dallas finishes it
tonight. But I don't. That'swhat I'm guessing. Yeah, you know,
Luca finally looked good. Yeah,that's been it's been a really big
issue for them. Is there hisshooting numbers, his shooting percentages all just
really bang yeah, banged up.But the fact that he's he had a

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thirty one point triple double the lasttime, Yeah, that's just encouraging.
The scary thing if you're Okayce isthat like Kyrie's been quiet some of the
games, has had a couple ofquiet games. And you're sitting here down
three too, I mean, youcan't feel good. The guy to point
the finger at is Jalen Williams.Here, Yeah, it's unfortunate to a
lesser degree, I think. Ithink Chet's still been mostly fine. Jalen
Williams been really underwhelming, and thisis like, this is I don't mean
to critique the guy. I stillbelieve it on long term as a player,

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but this is where you start tosee the growing pains of young teams
that he's not quite ready for themoment. SGA has been phenomenal. She
has been fantastic. I don't wantanyone to be like, oh, well,
look look at SGU, because I'veI've brought those two up a lot
like SGA has been unbelievable by theway a guy who's been terrible in this
series. Not to harp too muchon it, Isaiah Joe not great,
had a great series, Shock gotthe start. I would have been a

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starting lineup. It maybe not readyfor that. But let's get back to
the QB rankings. Any any funanything that points out to you, John,
that's something you think we may disagreewith, or something that may be
different. Not really, because Idefinitely I have Aaron Rodgers at twelve,
okay, and I invove Jordan LoveJordan Love again is gonna probably jump up,
but just for now, I wantto see a little bit more.

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I've Gino at fourteen, Kirk Cousinsat fifteen, and I guess maybe this
one, I have Kile Williams alreadyat sixteen. So Caleb Williams I didn't
rank. I would have to lookat. So yeah, it wasn't sure
what the rookies, what you weregonna do with that, or what you
would if you plugged him in wherehe would be. We didn't include them
Caleb, so we had a comment. Actually I meant to bring it up

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earlier dives comment and asked where Calebwould rank. Would I rather have Caleb
than Gino? Yeah, prejecular thisyear, Okay, just this year.
Golf is where it gets tough.Would I rather is he better than golf
right now? Is he gonna bebetter than golf? I don't know.
I have a tough time with golf, by the way, I think I
would. I think golf is alittle bit underrated because he's a little bit
better because you could see, likethe real Jared Golf at times. It's

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not crazy. At times you cansee the real Jared Golf show up for
Detroit because he had a few gameslast year. What are you doing?
But the offense, I mean,it's such a well structured, amazing offense.
I think there's so many cool thingswith the running backs and Brown.
The offense is awesome, and he'sJohnson's gonna get a head coaching job soon.

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But yeah, I don't know golfworks well in that system. But
yeah, just sometimes that that JaredGolf that the Rams didn't want to keep
around kind of shows up a lot, and you're like, by the way,
Chicago's gonna make the playoffs this year. I'm just throwing that out there.
In ten games, I really dothink that I was at But I
think I'm really just truth seruming myself, there's no way I would take Kirker
Golf. I would take the swing. I know what Kirk and Golf all.

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I think Caleb there's a chance he'stop five quarterback this year in a
way that they don't have that chance. So I think that's how good Caleb
is. You could see a Stroudlike rookie year. I love the talent.
He's unbelievable. He's a different playerin way different player, but completely
I do think he could have asimilar impact year one on a team.
It gets to a conversation where it'sCaleb er Kyler, for me, I'd
probably think Kyler because Kyler has thatsimilar upside. But yeah, i'd probably

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slot him in right behind Kyler.Anthony Richardson probably slots in right behind Purdy,
above Baker and car and Fields andRuss Fields. And I was about
to ask that, Yeah, Ifielded twenty one, okay, and how
about Ross Russ twenty eight? Thatcan go, That can go, even
rust He's not as bad as youdo you have do you have I gotta?

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I will now I'm saying that Ileft Anthony Ritch. Do I have
him above Richards's hard? Now?I will love us above him. Wow,
I will I just have Levis abovecar Young, Watson, and Wilson.
I think Watson stinks. I thinkwatch Dave Jones higher than Wilson.
I don't even think I ranked him. I mean I would have got Daniel
Jones, however low you want thatto go. Dania Jones is out of

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all the stars, it's starters inthe league. He's at least like thirty
one thirty. Daniel Jones is awful. Where he got out played by two
of his backups. Yeah, liketwo of his backups came in and it's
not just that they produce, it'sthat you watch Tyrod Taylor play and you
understand he's a better quarterback than DanielJones. Like even Tommy Devido don't know,
but he he was close enough thatyou go. His play sometimes is

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looking better than and like what Jonesdoes. You're right, Tommy TV does
not better. But they came in, and I mean those those two look
good. Where did you rank Bakerand Carr? I ranked Baker at twenty
and I ranked Derek Carr at twentyfive. Wow, behind Levis. I
don't like Carr. I think Ithink he's at one point I was when
you look at his stats last yearcompared to Baker's, it's even like EPA,

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it's rating like everything is me.It all just feels so empty because
you again, that's the part whereyou watch him play. What that guy
is doing? Sometimes I don't.I yeah, it's that. But sometimes
he like holds onto the ball toolong. He's still really dumb passes.
You just you watch the guy playing. He seems lost at times, which
is weird for a guy that's beenin the league for so long. See,

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I'm kind of just out there.Card to me, is his phone
too far off? You have aBaker twenty. He's fine. I think
he had a he had a goodyear last year. Great that he got
a contract. You should have gottenthe contract. But yeah, am I
putting him over somebody like to hor even pretty Golf and Kirk and all
that. No, he's not.He's not that all right, John Janssen,
thanks for two A nineteen two isnineteen too? Is nice? He's

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on my side with the two ofdebate for you comfortably. Yeah, yeah,
wow, because has one like reallygreat interesting trade in he's accurate.
Yeah, like that dude does throwa really accurate. But the thing is
everything else is awful. His decisionmaking even at times, is so far

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off. He's he's bad in thepocket as well. It's sometimes that guy
just feels like he lacks awareness.And that's really weird to say. Who
feels like he's so smart and likedoes some really smart things, but his
awareness sometimes just it's mind blowing.His number one tree coming out of Alabama
was like poisoned pocket. Yeah,and it just feels like it went away
after he got the I don't knowwhat that is. But two minutes before

(01:30:18):
we get out of here, NBAdraft real quick sixers targets you and you
and Beef have been covering it hotand heavy over there. I know we're
anyone even in the draft worth talkingabout. So here's that one quote.
Sorry, that sucked for Tobias Man, I love that quote. Went nuts.

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I was shocked out nuts that quotewent good. Good for Mascilla.
But there are I think a guythe first time was like drafting Tobias.
There there are role players to behad in this draft. Yes, there
always are, and there are inthis draft different I think into the twenties,
I don't really do with role playersat least chance of that. Yes,
absolutely right. Yeah, they haveto pick right. Avoid League guys,

(01:31:03):
avoid euro guys, like, justfocus on the guys who you think
can step in right away and makean impact. You want a GI your
euro guy, I love. I'mout. He's not even like a European
guy, like he's from now,He's just named Mantas Buzzels. He's a
guy. Yeah right, I lovethis. I'm out. I'm out.

(01:31:24):
I'm out on that. I'm outon that. Who else is sixers target?
Though? Devin Carter by far mynumber one. I like Tristan de
Silva a lot, trist six Yeah, Tristan to sixer, I'd be cool
with that. Those are probably mytop two. I could be talked into
Kyle Philipowski. I think that's flownunder the radar a lot. You don't.
You do not like him, it'snot about him. I don't want
to use the sixteenth pick on abackup five. I want to strictly take

(01:31:44):
a guy who can play with MAXIand embiid, not a guy to back
up one of the two. Iwant to take a preferably a two three.
Yeah, I don't like I loveJared McCain of being on Jack Kain.
Yeah, I don't think he's gonnabe there. Unfortunately, I'm out
on a Isaiah Kyllier. I've hearda lot of that as well. I
agree don't like him, Kobe Walterthoughts from you, I like him,

(01:32:06):
don't love him is kind of whenI'm at with Jacoby. I think I
like Walter Moore for another team,probably more for a team that can take
a swing on upside. That's fair. I saw you tweet at me.
Jalen Tyson. Jalen Tyson's my guyin this year's draft. I love Jalen
Tyson. I'm obsessed with him.He might go in the first half of
the second round, but I've alsoheard he could sneak into the first.
He was this high volume guy atCal this year shot it really was a

(01:32:28):
six seven guard who can shoot throughbackup five conversations. I'm out. I
think he's good. I like he'smy number one if I like I like
where, But I'm out on theback of five. We we we can't
waste to research on it. Andyou know what, we're out because Green
Leaves and Radio is coming on next. Sean Bernard, thanks so much,
as sewn underscore Bernard one on Twitter. A J. Horwath eleven on Twitter
behind some just oh my at JaJansen thirty four, By god, that's

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John Chance. I think it's feedback, by the way from a friend,
and he said, I don't thinkyou're insane for having him beforeth He said,
I don't agree with you, butit's not crazy to Justin Herbert's brother.
There's plenty of people. There's plentyof people out there who have him
up there. I think they're allinsane, and I think nobody could have
ever been given more while accomplishing lessin any walk of life, let alone

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sports. The Justin Herbert. Andthat's how we'll finish the show. Talk
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