Tony sits down with his friend and Love, ADHD co-host, Julie De Jesus, to unpack her recent interview with Kevin Franke, ex-husband of Ruby Franke. Ruby, the former “8 Passengers” YouTuber, pled guilty in late 2023 to multiple counts of aggravated child abuse and, along with her business partner Jodi Hildebrandt, was sentenced in February 2024 to up to 30 years in prison under Utah law.
While Tony originally planned to ask Julie about Kevin, the conversation took a different turn: the tidal wave of comments Julie received after posting her interview. With humor, honesty, and therapeutic insight, Tony and Julie read through some of those YouTube comments out loud, responding in real time. They explore why people are so quick to judge, why emotions often masquerade as facts, and how online criticism reveals more about the commenter than the person being critiqued.
You’ll hear candid reflections on:
What Kevin’s story stirs up in people (and why)
How emotional immaturity shows up in the comment section (projection, black-and-white thinking, and mistaking feelings for truth)
Why leaving abusive situations is never as simple as outsiders believe
The concept of “whole object relations” — holding multiple emotions at once
How Julie navigated negativity while staying grounded and authentic
This episode is part deep dive into psychology, part raw behind-the-scenes of content creation, and part hilarious reading of unfiltered internet comments. If you’ve ever wondered why strangers online lash out—or how to handle criticism with both compassion and boundaries—this one’s for you.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:33 Julie De Jesus and Her Interview with Kevin Frankie
01:11 Handling Criticism and Emotional Reactions
02:40 Understanding Emotional Maturity
03:55 Navigating Online Criticism
07:40 Promoting the Upcoming Cruise
11:51 The Future of Love A DHD Podcast
12:24 Deep Dive into Kevin Frankie's Interview
21:04 Personal Reflections and Recognitions
31:30 Introduction to Kate's Family Dynamics
31:32 Exploring Religious Roles and Power Dynamics
32:23 Personal Reflections and Family Dynamics
35:00 Commentary on Interview Techniques
36:26 Debating Faith and Atheism
38:40 Addressing Online Criticism
42:20 Therapy and Personal Growth
53:05 Inner Child and Emotional Healing
01:00:02 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
Contact Tony at contact@tonyoverbay.com to learn more about his Emotional Architects men's group.
And visit https://julie-dejesus.com/cruise to learn more about Tony and his friend Julie De Jesus's "I See You Living" cruise, a 5-night Western Caribbean Cruise from January 24-29, 2026 aboard the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.