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This episode is a full-court press of sports analysis, where we address the brewing drama in the University of Wisconsin's men's basketball program and what the exodus of talent might mean for the future. On the professional front, we scrutinize the Milwaukee Bucks' playoff campaign, breaking down their defensive maneuvers and the urgency for bench players to amplify their game. The conversation shifts to the diamond as the Milwaukee Brewers swing into the season, and we hypothesize on the shifting dynamics within the NL Central. Rogan brings the color commentary with insights that'll make you feel like you're right there in the stands.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Thank you how we doing, everybody, and welcome to
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Wisconsin Sports on the go withTrage.
I'm your host, trage.
It is a fantastic Thursday herein the great state of Wisconsin
.
My voice still hasn't come back, been dealing with this cold.
You guys know it.
Yesterday was a rough one.
Yesterday was a rough one.
Today we're going to make itthrough.
You know what?
Today was such a big day?
I had to bring in the big guns.
I had to bring in the notAustin, no, not Austin, sorry
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folks, not Austin.
But I got Rogan with me today.
Rogan, we got a big day.
We got a big day, the draftcoming up.
Today.
We got the Bucs.
They're going to be in actionhere.
I believe Friday is game threeof that series against the
Pacers.
So we got the Bucs to talkabout today.
We have the Brewers going on.
How are you doing on thisfantastic Thursday?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Doing good Trades.
We only got a couple weeks ofschool left here.
A big couple weeks of Wisconsinsports going on between the
Brewers Packers with the draftand now this Bucs series that's
got underway.
So good couple weeks coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Isn't it?
Just, you know, it baffled me.
I was thinking about it todayand I was like, how am I
supposed to get back intofootball mode right now?
I mean, I got the NBA playoffsgoing on, I have the MLB just
starting up here and now it'slike, oh, we're just going to
throw the draft right in betweenit.
So now let's just get confusedagain.
We forgot about who's on thePackers team, but now we have to
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dissect who's on it.
I mean, I just got into thatmode today.
But to start it out, I got aquestion for you.
You're down there in Madisonright now and we're watching.
I mean, I've talked about thelast couple of days here, but
we're watching this men'sbasketball team kind of.
I mean, they're gone,everybody's basically gone.
I mean we got there's piecescoming back, right.
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But I mean Chucky Hepburn, thatwas the last guy, that was the
last guy I expected to walk outthe door, and Chucky's gone.
And now AJ Storr.
I heard today that he wasalready in talks with Illinois
in like February about anegotiation for a deal to go to
Illinois.
Now, to me that's stupid,that's that's should be
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tampering.
Now the NCAA doesn't care, butthat should be some kind of
tampering rule against that.
But I mean AJ store is gone aseason.
He's on his way to Nebraska now.
And I mean we've lost benchpiecesorer is gone, ascension
he's on his way to Nebraska now.
And I mean we've lost benchpieces, guys who weren't really
seeing the floor at all anyways.
But I mean guys are walking outof Madison and I'm hearing a lot
of targeting right, we'retargeting a lot of guys in the
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transfer portal, but I'm notseeing a lot of guys say, hey,
I'm going to Madison.
I mean I see a lot in the top10, but that's it.
I mean Frankie Fidler, he'sgoing to Michigan State now.
Chucky Eppern I saw he might begoing to Louisville.
That's the last place I saw him, for crystal ball prediction
was Louisville.
So I mean Rogan, what's thebuzz in Madison right now?
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And I mean, is it an NILproblem?
Is it a head coaching problem?
Is it a little bit of both?
What the heck is going on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You know, I think it is a little bit of both.
Obviously, I think this is thenew day and age of college
basketball here.
It's been a couple years forthe Badgers, but I think just
because we're so used to asBadger fans, having these guys
stick around for almost theentirety of their career, but
with this NIL stuff going,that's just not the case and
you've seen it a lot with thesemid, I wouldn't say the Badgers
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is a big basketball program butthey're definitely not as small.
They're kind of right in themiddle there and I think this is
sadly going to be the new normwhere a lot of guys after every
season are going to leave.
These teams are going to lookdifferent almost year in and
year out and I think that'smostly an NIL thing.
But I also think there's somecoaching there too, because the
one I was really shocked with,like you were saying, was Chucky
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Hepper.
Never thought that guy wouldtransfer from Madison.
He just seemed like a guy thatwas close with Greg Gard were
from Madison.
He just seemed like a guy thatwas close with Greg Gard.
Obviously you have to be closewhen you go from where he did as
a freshman to being kind of thestar guy in the offense to
where he was being asked to kindof take a backseat to some of
these guys.
So I mean, if you're not closewith your coach, you're not
willing to do that, so himleaving I think.
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I think that's got to be acoaching thing there, because I
just don't see the draw forChucky Hepburn really in the
transfer portal from some ofthese big-time schools.
I kind of see him making alateral move to another school
at about the same level of theBadgers.
So that suggests to me theremight be some coaching there.
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But obviously AJ Storted,kansas.
Gus Yalden, freshman this year,never played.
He's out.
I think the total is up toeight.
Eight players are transferringout this year.
A season goes to Nebraska.
Obviously that's a coachingthing.
He didn't play at all this year.
You can't blame a guy for that.
But yeah, I definitely thinkit's a mix of both and sadly I
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think this is going to be thenew norm kind of going forward
for the Badgers, where theseteams are going to look
different every year.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean, well, we heard from Greg Gard and he
says, well, we've tripled theNIL money.
Ok, if we tripled it, why isnobody thinking of Madison?
I'm not hearing guys who aresaying, yeah, madison's on my
radar, they're on my radar tohead there.
I really do think, like yousaid there, head coaching has a
lot to do with it.
Would you choose to go and playfor John Calipari or right now
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can't think his name is slippingme right now UConn.
His name is Dan Hurley.
Would you want to go and playfor Dan Hurley?
Who's going to propel you tothe next level, who's going to
give you the most of those years?
And well, I don't know if GregGard's that guy.
Now, greg Gard might be a goodX as an O guy.
He might be.
He might be fantastic.
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I cannot say you know, I'm notin the locker room, I can't say
any of that kind of stuff, right, but what I can see right now
is we don't get high end guys tocome.
We just watched Hunter Tyrese,hunter from Texas.
There he had the opportunity tocome back home.
Right, the Badgers were talkingabout him.
There was a wide open spot atthe point guard position.
He would have started right offthe bat.
He heads off.
He doesn't come back home.
Why is it?
Why is it that nobody's eventalking?
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Wisconsin, frankie Fidler.
I think that might have beenthe tipping point for Chucky.
Frankie announced it afterChucky had already decided to
leave.
But I really do think becauseChucky was pushing hard for
Frankie Fidler to come toMadison and I just believe that
Frankie told him Madison's out.
So Chucky's like okay, we can'tget Frankie to come.
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There's something.
Maybe Frankie said something tohim like, hey, I mean this,
something ain't right here.
You're not getting your fullpotential.
Because you look at a guy likethis and they said Chucky
Hepburn's worth like $700,000 to$750,000 in NIL money.
That's ridiculous.
I mean, if Chucky Hepburn'sworth that, what are some of
these other guys worth?
I mean because Chucky Hepburn,he's a fantastic.
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I really do like Chucky Hepburn.
I think he's a fantastic.
I really do like Chucky Hepburn.
I think he's a great pointguard.
And Yacht, is he a greatshooter at times?
No, I mean.
But who isn't right?
Tyrese Hunter is not a greatshooter at times.
But if that guy's worth 700,000,how are the Badgers going to
get anybody?
How are they going to getanybody to commit to Madison?
And that leads me to we got tobe able to put guys into
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contracts.
You have to, because otherwisewe're going to see guys like AJ
Stork.
What is it?
He's been to seven differentschools in his entire career,
now through high school and nowinto college.
That's just stupid.
That's ridiculous.
You cannot coach basketball ifyou do not have some kind of I
know this guys.
And now Greg Gard, I mean herecruited two guys.
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Right, you got Daniel Freetagand Jack Robinson coming in, but
you have to replace six moreguys off of your roster now, six
guys, and now you can't planfor that.
That's just like you'reunloading.
You're like John Calipari downthere in Arkansas right now.
I think he's got maybe threeguys on the roster at this point
, like you're at that point.
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If you are Greg Gard, I just Idon't know.
I mean you're down there inMadison is what's the buzz like?
I mean students, everythinglike that.
What's the buzz like down theretalking about Gard, talking
about this program?
I mean they're loading up.
Next year the Big 10 is youhave Oregon coming in, you have
Washington USC, you have UCLA.
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The Badgers are trendingtowards the spot where they're
going to be bottom half like bigtime.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'm not going to lie, in basketball especially
, people are defeated.
I think people are reallydefeated, like we saw all these
guys leave and then and then ontop of that we have the athletic
board going out and extendingguard through, I believe, 2029,
which I think that was for a lotof people down here.
That was mind-boggling, justbecause all you could hear last
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year was at the end of theseason, like if they don't have
a big, big, big 10 tournamentrun like he's probably out of
here, and then to that.
But then the first round exitin the tournament.
A lot of people thought thatthere was a good chance he was
going to be gone.
And now you extend them for thenext what five years?
That was pretty mind boggling.
But you know, I think as a coachI don't the Badgers the last
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couple of years have really goneto the transfer portal and you
start, you listen to some ofthese good coaches like Dan
Hurley and talk about thetransfer portal and they use it
more as a way to fill in holeson the team.
You have to recruit at a highlevel and they say, once you're
done recruiting, that's when yougo to the transfer portal and
if you need a shooter, you goafter a shooter.
If you need a defender, you goget a defender.
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That's how UConn's won the lastcouple of years and to me it's
the Badgers are like completelyrelying on the transfer portal.
Now, when you're only bringingin two recruits and you're done
and you lose eight, I meanyou're going to have to bring in
six, seven guys from thetransfer portal and and it's
it's hard to tell with some ofthese guys, because a lot of
these guys the Badgers go afterare from really small schools
that had good years and badconferences.
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And we got lucky with AG Storycame here and had a great year.
But you don't know, with someof these guys, whereas you build
through recruits and you atleast get a foundation of
players that in there and thenyou have guys come and kind of
plug and play and round out theroster like that.
So it's going to be interestingand I just I don't know if
that's a thing the Badgers cando, like you're saying with the
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money.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
If Chucky, being a role player, is demanding
700,000 a year, I mean that'sjust not sustainable at all for
Badger basketball no, and youknow you were talking there
about recruiting and everythinglike that and what other coaches
do is a fantastic job ofrecruiting, but then building
players up, getting them readyto go.
What worries me is yeah, we'rebringing in this guy in, daniel
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Freetag and he's supposed to begreat and Jack Robinson's
supposed to be great, but canyou throw them into a starting
lineup right now and say runwith it?
You know the John Cale Perrysat Kentucky we saw that.
I mean that doesn't workanymore.
You have to be able to haveexperienced pieces out there.
And that's where the Badgerswere last year.
They were experienced.
I mean, you look at that roster.
They were experienced.
They were supposed to be reallyexperienced coming back this
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year.
And now it's like, okay, we'regoing to be throwing freshmen in
there, we're going to bethrowing Nolan Winter into Tyler
Wallspot and asking him to takeon a boatload of the scoring
there.
And I don't know if NolanWinters I mean he might.
I'm not going to say anythingagainst Nolan Winter because he
might have a big offseason.
He might, you know, developinto this well-rounded big guy
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in Madison.
But what worries me the most isthat I have not seen anybody
progress under Greg Gardner andif anybody wants to argue that
with me, I know you and I we hada little tizzy about that once,
about the whole Greg Gardnerguys getting better, but I mean
and I understood where you werecoming from where guys have, you
know, developed but notdeveloped right?
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Tyler Wall developed, he got alittle bit better with his moves
, but he didn't get better.
In the essence of he didn'tbecome more than a one trick
pony.
And that's where I worry withNolan Winter is.
Yeah, he came in like StevenCrowell, as a good three-point
shooter who can score it aroundthe rim, but we've seen Steven
Crowell go backwards.
We saw Chucky go backwards.
It really worries me that, yeah, we might be bringing in these
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fantastic recruits, but do theyget better?
Conor Asijian I expected him inthis last year to become one of
the best shooters in the Big Ten.
We didn't see him.
We didn't see this guy on ateam that was a terrible
defensive team.
We did not see Conor at all andit's like OK, well, why?
Why is he not out there if he'sa great shooter?
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I think Fred, I mean Hoibergdown there in Nebraska he
doesn't care, they're not a gooddefensive team, they're just
going to shoot the lights out.
He's going to fit in just finethere and I would hate to see
him because that guy might torchus.
So I don't know.
Wisconsin basketball is inshambles right now and I am like
I said yesterday.
I'm waiting for some kind ofnotification on my phone to say
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Wisconsin is getting this guy.
That's all I need to see rightnow, because right now all I'm
getting is Wisconsin istargeting this guy.
I'm sick of the targeting.
I need to get somebody in herein Madison because right now
they have a lot of holes, likeyou said, holes to fill in the
roster.
They have a lot of holes andright now I don't think the
recruiting trail is going tofill that for them.
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So with that, I want to get outof the Badgers.
I want to.
I want to get out of theBadgers.
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But with that we got to getinto the bucks.
We've seen this bucks team.
Game one was fantastic.
Right, we saw the bucks teamthat we were hoping to see.
The offense was explosive.
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The defense I.
You know what really stuck outto me and I'm gonna let you
speak on this too, but theeffort in game one.
They were all over the Pacers.
I mean the Pacers couldn't getan open shot and when they did,
they were rushed.
They couldn't find any openingsin this Bucs defense.
They played downright fantastic.
Then we came to game two and itflipped script.
The Pacers put the pressure onthe Bucs.
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The Bucs couldn't get any goodlooks off Dame.
I mean we've seen Dame playsome fantastic games in the
first half, but in the secondhalf he has struggled and it
honestly is really surprising.
I saw the stat today he has 61points in the first half right
now of game one and two, eightpoints in the second half of
game one and two.
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So the Pacers are finding a wayto slow down Damian Lillard in
that second half, and I mean theBucs got to fight.
Looking at the defense, theyhave to find a way to slow down
Pascal Siakam.
I don't care what you have todo.
If you have to throw a doubleteam at him, whatever it is, you
have to leave Miles Turner openfor three.
Whatever you have to do at thispoint, you have to slow down
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Siakam because he is killing youleft and right.
So I mean, rogan, looking atgame one and two of this series
right now, what are you seeingout of this Bucs team that you
like and what's kind of worryingyou moving forward here?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean I'll start off with what's worrying
me.
Like you were saying, damon,the second half has just
disappeared and I was reading anarticle today and it kind of
made some sense.
But I honestly think he's justgetting tired, like I mean,
especially with how demandingthey've been of him on defense.
I think he's just I honestlythink he's just getting tired
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because, for how he's played inthe first half, it's kind of
hard for me to believe that he'scooled off that much in the
second half.
But I mean, I think fatigue isjust playing a big role Because,
like you were saying, he scoredeight points in the second half
.
He has yet to score a point inthe fourth quarter in the first
two games and Damian Lillard isa closer Like that's what he's
best at is scoring down thestretch.
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So that just shows me that Imean all his career has been
great in the fourth quarter.
So it's hard for me to believehe's been that off in the fourth
quarter.
I honestly just think he'stired.
He's 33 now.
I just think he's getting tired, especially, like you were
saying, with the pressurethey've been putting on him,
honestly, the last three halves,even the second half of that
first game they started doubleteaming him and you saw a lot of
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that again in game two.
So I think he's just gettingkind of getting wore down.
And back to the Pascal Siakam.
I just like we were talking atthe trade deadline trade targets
I was talking I thought theyneeded to go after a wing
defender because they couldn'tguard the guards.
Obviously you bring in Pat BevI think that was a great
addition but we were stillhoping that they'd bring in a
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long, a long wing defender andyou're really seeing that now,
without one, how the Bucs areunable to guard a good wing such
as Pascal Siakam, which I thinkthat's why, down the stretch,
it's going to be.
I think the series is going tobe decided on when Giannis is
able to come back, because he isa guy that would be able to
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guard Pascal Siakam and I thinkif you're able to guard him, the
rest of this team is so youngand you saw in the first game
and a half they looked verynervous.
Except for Pascal Siakam, he'sthe only guy that's had playoff
experience.
So I think the series is reallygoing to come down to when we
get Giannis back, if we'rewinning the series at the point
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or how much we're down in theseries when he comes back,
because, other than that,there's just no one on this team
to guard Pascal Siakam.
But I think, even more troubling, looking forward to a potential
Celtics matchup with the lackof wing defense that's kind of
been exposed in this series howin the world are they going to
be able to guard guys like JasonTatum and Jalen Brown on the
perimeter?
I just don't know how theycould do that.
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But it has been nice to see,like you were saying, the
intensity on defense.
It has been there.
This Pacers team is the bestoffense in the league and they
have gotten after them a littlebit on the defensive side and
they're going to have nightswhere they're.
I mean to hold the Pacers to110 points would be a good
defensive night.
That's how good of an offensiveteam they are.
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So I think it's going to be.
I think the series is going tocome down to when Giannis is
able to come back.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You know, and you brought up an interesting thing
there and I talked about ityesterday here, and that is
Patrick Beverly.
Now I love Pat Bev, I do.
He's a great defender.
I think he brings a goodattitude to this Bucs team.
But when you look at thescoring of the Bucs, when you
look at the problems they havescoring the basketball right now
, middleton, I mean he's beenhitting shots, but not right.
He's been struggling.
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Brooke Lopez been struggling.
Bobby can only do so much offthe bench and in his starting
role right now.
And then I mean you look at theother pieces, aj Green, crowder
, those guys aren't scoring.
Connington, I thought, playedwell in a role in game two, but
there again he's not like he'sgoing to light up the scorebook.
So I love Pat Beverly in thelineup, but what I was talking
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about yesterday there is hislack of offensive ability, his
lack of ability to hit shots foryou, this Bucs team.
When they were down big, he wasin the ballgame and he was
taking some shots, but it waslike I don't trust him to make
those shots right.
And I look at a guy like MalikBeasley Now he's not going to
give you the same attitude.
He's not going to give you thesame defensive tenacity that
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Patrick Beverly can bring, butBeasley can hit shots for you.
So I mean to me, I like PatBevin's stretches, but I don't
think I can have him out therefor extended minutes at a time,
especially in a game or in aseries against the Pacers where
you're going to Indiana now.
It's going to be offense.
You're going to need theoffense to show up and you're
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going to need to hit shots and Idon't know to me if Patrick
Beverly can step up and be thatguy for this Bucs team.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I agree with that too and honestly, I
wouldn't even mind.
I know he's a rookie and hehasn't played much, but I
wouldn't mind Andre Jacksonbeing thrown in there, because
that is the one guy in this team, without Giannis right now,
that has a good frame andability on defense to guard
Siakam.
So I mean, like you were saying,I think you either need to go
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with offense with Malik Beasleythere or you need to bring in I
know Pat Bev's a great defender,but he's not the defender in
the lineup we need right now.
We need a long guy.
So I feel like you either needto go with a shooting in Beasley
or you need to go with a guythat is able to guard Siakam,
because right now it's Siakambeating the Bucs right now.
You look at the rest of theseguys in this Pacer team and, yes
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, a couple of them had decentgames in game two, but none of
them through the first two gameshave looked that comfortable,
except for Siakam.
So I think you either need togo with a shooting of Beasley
there or I'd give Jackson a runwith the starters just to see
how he holds up on Siakam.
He can finish around the rimtoo, so it's not like he's going
to be a liability out there onoffense.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No big time and you know you talked about like we
were talking the double team onDame right now.
Why can they do that?
Nobody else can hit on thisteam.
They don't respect anyone elseon this team to step out and hit
a shot, to drive Delane and hitany.
That's just where they're atwith Milwaukee right now.
They're saying to themselves ifwe stop game, we stop the Bucs,
because that's how it is.
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I mean Brooks, inconsistent,middleton, the mid-range was
there but otherwise inconsistentfor this Bucs team.
So yeah, you got to trysomething.
You have to try something and Iknow we talk about effort.
I know for a fact if you putAjax in there, he will give you
effort.
He is going to 100% try to lockdown whoever it is that he's on
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out there, and I mean Beasleyisn't a great defender, but he
gets out on guys.
He's going to at least put ahand in the face on some of
these guys and be able to pesterthem just a little bit.
You have to somehow make up forDamian Lillard not able to get
open in these games here, andthat's going to be one of those
guys to be able to knock downbig shots for this Bucs team
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Because I mean, pat Bev might beable to get going, he might be
able to hit you some shots, buthe's not a consistent shooter.
He's not a consistent shooterand it's not going to end well
if the Bucs keep relying on himto be that guy.
He's not a PJ Tucker.
He's not PJj tucker.
He's not.
Pj tucker was long.
He got after guys on thedefensive end.
He guarded up kd.
I mean, he shut down kd like itwas nothing.
That was pj tucker's job.
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That's how he did it.
Patrick beverill a little bitundersized to be able to do
things like that.
So I mean we're moving ahead togame three here.
That's gonna be in indiana, forthey're gonna be in indiana for
two now, and man, they have toshow up with some kind of
defensive intensity becauseheading to indiana, for they're
gonna be in indiana for two now,and man, they have to show up
with some kind of defensiveintensity because heading to
indiana, that place is going tobe a raucous crowd.
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They're going to be all over.
Because diaries halliburton hewas talking about this bucks
crowd saying how bad they were.
I heard something about theytold one of his family members
they call them the n word orsomething I don't know.
I heard that I it's up in thelike.
Nobody like.
There was fans who said, likewe didn't hear that yeah we
didn't hear that.
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That's what they said and it'slike so who's telling the?
I don't want to say thatanybody's lying, I don't want to
say that he's lying, but at thesame time it's like there was
fans sitting around that sameguy who apparently got moved and
they're like he didn't say that.
He didn't say a word about that.
So I mean, that could be Bucsfans having Bucs fans back there
too, right, I mean, but you'regonna have a raucous crowd.
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How are you gonna respond tothat?
And I mean, what are youlooking for?
Game three of this series fromthe Bucs, what do you gotta see?
What do you?
I mean, we talked about alittle bit there, but what do
you have to see in this gamehere for the Bucs to pull off a
win?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I got to see some of these bench guys get it going
because, like you said,middleton had a good game one,
not a great game two, but he'sgiven you decent numbers for the
first two games.
Lopez, not a great game one,pretty good game.
Yesterday I think he had sixthrees or whatever game.
Yesterday I think he had sixthrees or whatever.
Bobby had a rough, had a roughgame.
Uh, game two, but a good game,game one.
So, and Dame, dame needs to getit going in the second half.
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I need to see him down thestretch.
I'd rather have 30 points inthe second half than 30 points
in the first half.
But other those four betweenthose four.
They've been pretty consistentthrough these first two games.
It's these bench guys.
You knowJ Green, in that firstgame, three wide-open looks from
three, couldn't hit any of themdown.
Connington had some really goodlooks, couldn't hit any of them
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down.
Beasley's been ever since theAll-Star break in that
three-point challenge.
He's been really strugglingfrom outside.
Nothing compared to what he wasin that first half of the
season where it felt like hecouldn't miss at all.
So I need to see these roleplayers get going, because it's
role players that win youchampionships, these stars will
go out there every game and giveyou the numbers that you need.
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But it comes down to these roleguys and I think with this
Pacers team because they like torun.
They like to run a lot.
So you kind of saw in that gametoo, or some of our starters
kind of got a little tired.
But I just don't think Doc hasenough trust in the bench guys
right now to go in there and putquality in a minute.
So I need to see some goodnumbers out of the bench guys,
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for sure in this game three 100%Everything you just said.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
There was spot on and , yeah, transition buckets.
It was like 14 points they hadin transition.
But I said that stat was alittle off because it seemed
like when the Pacers were outand running it wasn't counted as
a transition bucket, but theywere swinging the ball fast and
it led to open shots.
The Bucs got all kinds of outof sorts and they weren't able
to defend.
I mean 100%.
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I think this game three is thepivotal game of this series.
I have to be honest because ifthe Bucs go down two games to
one in Indiana, game four ofthis series, with that
possibility of going down threeto one in the series, to the pay
, I really do think this game is, it could be for all the
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marbles.
I really do think.
I mean, yes, giannis might comeback later in the series.
I don't know if he'll be backfor game three.
It sounds like he hasn'tpracticed yet.
So you know, hopefully thatgame I believe they play Friday
and then Sunday.
Hopefully that game Sunday he'sback, but that's far stretched
at this point.
But I mean you go down twogames to one to the Pacers, a
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team that's had your number.
What have they beaten them fourout of six times now this year.
I mean five Rogan's muted overon his end.
I can't.
Five out of seven.
Five out of seven, yeah, theyplayed them five times.
That's even worse.
That's even worse.
We're getting more games andless wins.
I mean five out of seven times.
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This Pacers team has taken careof the Bucs.
They have your number.
You cannot go down two games toone because then you have one
more game in Indiana yet beforeyou go back home.
You go back home down threegames to one.
We just watched the Pacers Imean offensively obliterate you
at home.
It's going to lead to a roughshot in game four, that's for
darn sure.
But I mean optimism, right,optimism.
(27:30):
The Bucs have played well.
They have played well in bothgames of this series.
It's just game two.
The Pacers couldn't miss, right?
The Bucs got it down to likethree.
They brought it all the wayback and got it down to three in
that third quarter and I waslike here come the Bucs.
The fans were into it.
It was a raucous crowd momentumtowards the Bucs and then it
just seemed like the Pacers hadan answer.
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Every time the Bucs put on arun, the Pacers had an answer.
That's where the Bucs have tobe in this game three.
They have to be able to answerthe Pacers.
I mean possession by possession.
Basically, they have to be ableto hang with the Pacers until
late and that's where Dame turnsit on right.
That's where they need Dame toturn it on.
So second half, like you said,is going to be huge for Damian
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Lillard in this one.
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But with that, let's talkbrewers.
Let's talk brewers for a minute.
We're just going to get intothe brewers a little bit here
before we talk about the Packers.
So the Brewers, I mean, they'reoff to a pretty good start,
right?
We're watching the game aswe're recording this right now,
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playing the Pirates there inGame 3 of that series.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
They've had a little bit of a skid.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But I mean looking at this Brewers team as a whole a
lot of surprises.
We did not expect this Brewersteam to be at the point that
they are now Looking at theplayer side of it.
Who has been the biggestsurprise to you to start this
season for the Brewers?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think the biggest surprise so far.
I would have to go with the guyBlake Perkins.
He's played.
I know he hasn't played all thegames, but through 16 games.
Right now he's batting .309center field.
So he's been playing reallyreally well as of
late.
And another guy I know thisisn't a big surprise just
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because he's been a good player,but Wilson Contreras is just
ripping the cover off thebaseball this year.
I mean you can argue right nowthrough 24, 25 games that he's
had the best hitting year ofanybody in the MLB so far.
I mean I know they were showingsome stats about his exit
velocity being second.
And for a catcher, I meancatchers aren't really.
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I mean there's some greatbatting catchers out there but
catchers are by far not reallyknown to be great offensive
batters by any means.
It's usually your outfieldersand your infield guys that take
that crown.
But 356 through 24 games, Imean he's hitting the long ball.
He's squaring up a lot ofbaseballs right now.
But so I'd say between BlakePerkins and Wilson
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Contreras.
And I also got to throw a shoutout to everybody on the
starting pitching, except forFreddy Peralta, because we knew
Freddy Peralta would be a goodpitcher this year, but those
other pitchers in the startingroles have really done quite
well for what we expectedthrough the beginning of this
year.
I know none of them areoutstanding guys, but we just
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needed them to be able to limitthese offenses to two or three
runs to start and so far,fingers crossed, that's what
they've done.
Especially as of the last weekand a half, our pitching has
been phenomenal.
I know the offense has cooledoff a little bit over the last
week, but the pitching has beenthere over this last week.
So I'd say those are my biggestsurprises so far.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, 100%.
I mean every single one ofthose guys you named has been
fantastic.
I got to say Bryce TerangTerang has been hitting
phenomenal.
He's got I think he's stillsecond in the league in stolen
bases right now.
I mean he's hitting 315.
The guy has been ridiculous tostart the year and it's all
because of that big knob on hisbat.
It's all because of the bigknob.
Now they said I heard the story.
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They said he was waiting forhis bat in the mail and it was
just your normal standard handleon it and everything like that.
And his mail was late, the batdidn't come.
The bat didn't come.
Well, his buddy had this bat,this one with the big knob on it
, and Bryce is like all right,I'll just use that to take a few
hacks here and there, and hefell in love with it.
So now that's the style of bathe uses.
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So I thought it was a real, Imean United States Postal
Service screwing over somebody.
So now they're hitting.
Well, right, I mean that's allit took.
That's all it took for him.
But also Willie Adamas.
Now in this game he's down.
I'm looking at the box of thisgame against Pirates tonight.
He's at 281 right now.
But from what we saw last yearout of Willie to this year, the
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guy is like night and daydifferent Using all facets of
the field, hitting the ballaround, not just looking for the
home run ball but driving thebaseball patient at the plate,
not chasing everything.
That's what we wanted to see.
That's what we're seeing out ofWillie right now.
So it's been fantastic whatwe've seen out of Willie Adamas
so far.
And then, like you said, thepitching staff.
I mean we're injured right now.
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We're injured up the wazoo.
Wade Miley we talked about ityesterday here.
I don't know if Wade Miley'scoming back.
I really don't.
The way that he gave thatpresser about the elbow
inflammation really he was dangnear in tears made it seem like
Wade Miley might have pitchedhis last time for the Brewers
and in the MLB and I mean.
But outside of that, colin Rayhas pitched fantastic.
I think that is one of the mostunderlying guys in this rotation
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, outside of, probably, joe Ross.
Joe Ross has pitched way aboveexpectations for a guy who
hasn't gotten a major league winsince 2021.
And now he's given us fiveinnings a piece here a pretty
good pitching baseball right now.
So I mean that has been mybiggest surprises right now is
just some of the guys who youknow, you really didn't expect
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them to do fantastic, but theyfigured it out.
They figured it out and here weare.
So Brewers, right now leadingthe division.
Do we think, do we think, thatthe Cardinals will finish in
last?
We think that the cardinalswill finish in last?
Do we think the cardinals willfinish in last?
They're there right now.
You have to figure.
At some point they're going tofigure something out, but right
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now, sitting in last place, whatdo you think?
Cardinals?
Do they finish in last?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I, I think they do.
I I offense for the Cardinalsthis year has been struggling
mightily.
They do have some good pitching.
But you look at these otherfour teams.
I think the Brewers have abetter overall team.
I think the Cubs are going tobe good this year.
I think they're only going toget better.
I think they have an overallbetter team.
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I think the Reds this year havea halfway decent team.
You know.
You look at this Pirates teamand when's the last time the
Pirates started this good?
I mean, they've got some goodyoung prospects.
They've got a good team.
I just don't see.
I think the Cardinals will getit going a little bit, but I
just honestly believe theseother four teams in the division
are better than the Cardinalsthis year.
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You've got a lot of these guysbetween Goldschmidt and who's
the third baseman for theCardinals.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Arenado.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Arenado.
He's struggling this year.
Goldschmidt hasn't got it going.
Contreras has been pretty goodthis year so far for them, but I
honestly just believe the otherfour teams in this division
might be better than theCardinals this year.
When's the last time theCardinals are going to be the
worst team in the NL Central?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
The Pirates want to duke it out for them.
They'll try and duke it out forthe last place.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They'll try.
I think the Pirates have asemi-decent team this year
though.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah that starting pitchingstaff for the Pirates has been
very good, like very underrated.
I mean, some of the guys we'veseen against the Brewers here
are just ridiculous.
They're young but they'reridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And obviously I think Arenado Goldschmidt they'll
turn it around.
They've had horrible startsthis season.
They'll get it going.
But you know, I was watchingthat Brewers-Cardinals series
and other than those couple guysat the top there, that offense
looks pretty dead to me 100%.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I got to agree with you.
I really could see if thePirates don't completely drop
off the wagon, I could see themfinishing above the Cardinals
this year and that's really, Imean that's surprising, because
you look at a team like theCardinals historically and
that's a top of the divisionteam, that's a good team and
it's not like they don't havedecent pieces, but man, they
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just can't figure it out there.
So I mean let's get out ofbaseball.
Let's get out of baseball.
We want to get to what we'rehere for today and that is the
NFL draft that is coming uptonight here.
Packers, they got a lot of draftpicks.
Looking at it, they have the25th pick, the 41st pick, they
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have 58, 88, 91, 126, 169, 202,219, 245, and 255.
They have a lot of picks inthis draft and a lot of them
compository picks there, onefrom Alan Lazard and then Jared
Reed and then Dean Lowry Gavethem a couple picks there.
But I mean, looking at thisPackers team we've talked about
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it before here on the show someof their needs.
So we look at that 25th pickNow.
We talked about Cooper DeGene awhile back.
Sounds like Cooper DeGene mightbe gone if the Packers don't
decide to move up here and gethim off the board early on in
this one.
So, looking at that 25th pick,we know the Packers needs a
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little bit of what this Packersteam needs out there.
Where are you leaning right now?
Who's a guy that 25th pick?
That might be the guy I'm I'mstretched, or are you trading up
and trying to grab a guy?
Where are you looking right nowin this 25th spot?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know, I think Cooper to Jean would be a great,
great player, but honestly, inmy opinion, I think there's
still good enough free agents onthe safety market between, like
a guy like Justin Simmons, whowas just a couple years ago
thought to be the best safety inthe entire league and he's only
30 years old, like that's a guythat's still available out
there.
So I'm kind of and I thinkXavier McKinney, that was the
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guy that he was the safetyopposite of the safety we just
signed from the Giants last year, so I think and he's a pretty
good safety as well, and he'sonly 25.
So, you know, I was kind ofhoping the Packers might try to
shore up both those safety spotsto the free agent free agency
there and focus more on these tothe offense and defense aligned
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.
Because to me, like you'resaying, with Cooper Jean there,
I think you're gonna have totrade up to about 18-19 to be
able to get him, because I'veseen a lot of mock drafts.
That's kind of where they havehim going now.
Some of them have him fallingalmost all the way to the second
round it's.
So you never know.
But I think that guy's too goodof an athlete, too good of a
player that he's gonna fall to25.
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I also look at a guy likeKool-Aid McKinstry who I think
would be a great player for thePackers.
He's not as versatile as Djeanbut would be a great guy for in
the slot there for the Packersto pick up and I think there's a
very real possibility theytrade up.
They've got 11 picks, I think,in the first 100 or something.
It's insane how many picks theyhave in the top 100.
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So they've definitely got thecapital to do it.
But you know, I wouldn't mindthe Packers sticking around at
25.
And if a guy like CooperDeGene's there, great, go ahead,
draft him.
But I look at some of thesetackles that are kind of
projected to be availablebetween Graham Burton, tackle
out of Duke, tyler Gutten fromtackle out of Oklahoma.
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Like I think the thing that'snot being talked about enough
because we signed Jacobs, wesigned that great safety, but we
lost quite a few pieces on theoffensive line this offseason.
Looking at our two startingtackles going into next year
between Zach Tom and who's ourright tackle?
Zach Tom, and is it Runyon?
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No, not.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Runyon he's gone.
Ryan's in there, isn't he I?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
think so.
I thought it was Ryan, yeah.
But I mean, even if it's notRyan, you look at those two
tackles and Zach Tom's a goodplayer, no doubt.
I think they're actuallytalking about possibly moving
him to center.
I saw a lot of reports abouthim going to center.
They think he can be an all-protype center.
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But you can't do that if youdon't get another tackle through
this draft and I just don'tfeel comfortable right now with
the tackles that we have on thisPackers roster and who knows If
they go with Dajin in the firstround you still have a lot of
picks left.
You can.
You can find a lot more tacklesin that second round, but I
think it's you got to find agood balance between what it
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would take to possibly trade upto get a guy like Cooper Dajin
and what we'd lose in potentialpicks for getting some help on
this offensive line.
And I also wouldn't minddrafting that defensive tackle
out of Illinois.
I think is Jernaine Newton, Ibelieve D tackle, because this
Packers defense needs some helpon that defensive line for sure.
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So yeah, I don't know.
I think I'd love a guy likeDajin, but I don't know what the
cost is going to be to move upseven, eight spots to get them,
and I think the Packers could.
Could be just fine stickingaround at 25 and taking one of
these tackles.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I love the tackle talk.
I really do think the Packerscould use a couple in this draft
here.
The guy that I'm looking atthough, that not a lot of people
are looking at for the Packers,and that is a guy coming out of
Clemson.
He's below Cooper Dijon.
He's the fourth rankedcornerback there, Nate Wiggins,
4.2840, 4.2840.
This guy's 6'1", 173 pounds, soyou imagine he could probably
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get himself up to 200 there.
So he can be a pretty solidcornerback out there, Very good
at smothering receivers outthere.
I mean, he's watching hishighlight tape.
This guy is all over the field.
He gets into the backfield.
He's a bigger guy.
He can slow down some of thesereceivers and he can keep up
with the best of them.
I don't know what Tyree Kills40 time is, but 4.28 sounds
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pretty dang fast to me.
That's all I know.
4.28 sounds fast.
So I think Nate Wiggins couldbe a guy that if he fell to the
Packers at 25, I would not beopposed to it.
You would have a lockdowncorner in Jair and on the
opposite side of the field youwould have Nate Wiggins, Because
I just Eric Stokes to me.
I never know.
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We haven't seen him get outthere.
He's been injury riddled and,as of late, I just don't know
what to expect out of EricStokes.
I mean, I hope that he turnsout to be a guy right, but I
don't know so.
And then you have Ballantyneand Valentine coming back there.
But this is a guy you can addin that cornerback room and he's
going to make an instant splashinto your team.
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That's if Cooper DeGene isn'tthere.
Like you said, Cooper DeGene'sthere.
You don't even it hesitation.
You grab this guy in CooperDijon because that is, he's a
different kind of guy.
He's a ball hawk, he's all overthe place.
He's like a Morgan Barnett kindof guy.
He's all over the place.
He's going to get into thebackfield and make things happen
.
So I mean, that's a guy I'mlooking at is Nate Wiggins.
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But yeah, like you were talkingthere, you can never have
enough tackles.
You can never have enoughtackles.
I don't think Joe Alt would befantastic.
I don't think he's going to bethere.
But you look down the list.
Here you have that Fuga guycoming out of Oregon State.
He's solid.
Jordan Morgan, coming out ofArizona, played solid this year.
You have Joe Alt's oppositethere in Blake Fisher, coming
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out of Notre Dame.
He was fantastic in this lastyear, ranked in the eighth spot
right now.
So there's a lot of pieces youcan pick in this draft.
Or offensive line-wise, Becauseright now, I mean you look at
the top 10 picks, there might bean offensive tackle taken in
there.
But you know, you look, you'regoing to probably see I mean
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Caleb Williams, Then you'reprobably going to get Jayden
Daniels, Then you're looking atDrake May.
We don't know what the Vikingsare going to do.
They might trade up and grab onto JJ McCarthy there, and then
you're going to have MarvinHarrison heading to Arizona
there.
We know that.
I mean, we don't know that, butwe're pretty darn sure of it
right now, where all these guysare basically heading.
So outside of that top 10,that's where you're going to get
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into a lot of these tackles andthat might drop Cooper Dujun
further.
That might make him a veil.
I don't know, I don't.
You know, that's the great partabout the draft Surprises.
There will be a lot ofsurprises and we might see one
in this one here where it's likethe Texans last year, where
they're jumping up and they'regrabbing two guys in the top
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three, Like that was two guys inthe top three.
That was ridiculous moves byHouston last year.
We might see that again thisyear.
Here we're going to stay withthe draft here.
Looking at the Bears the Bears,we know they're going to grab
Caleb Williams.
We know they're grabbing CalebWilliams With that nine spot.
Then you have your options.
You can grab an offensivelineman.
They desperately need offensiveline help.
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You can grab a wide receiver Ibelieve who was that receiver
that I saw out of Washington,right, Odunze, Odunze.
They were talking at the ninespot there and I mean you have
there's a lot of good receiversin this draft here.
Xavier Worthy is actuallyranked as the number eight
coming out of Texas there.
But Xavier Worthy is afantastic receiver and he lit it
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up at the combine.
So Xavier Worthy is stillprobably going to be there.
I mean, I just want to know fromyour perspective, if the Bears
get Williams and let's just saythey go and they grab a Doonze,
is this Bears team like?
Are they ahead of the Vikingsnow?
Are they competing with theLions and the Packers Like?
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The defense for the Bears isn'tbad, right, but the offense,
the offensive line's terrible.
You know they can't figure itout at quarterback.
Maybe Caleb Williams is the guy.
I have never been sold on CalebWilliams personally.
That's just my opinion on theguy.
I just something about.
It just screams to me, JohnnyManziel.
Something about him justscreams Johnny Manziel to me,
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and I can't get over that.
Baker changed, though.
Right Baker came in with thatkind of same attitude.
But I think Baker's reallymellowed back and I love what
he's doing in Tampa now, but Ijust get that with Caleb
Williams.
So I mean to you they getWilliams probably a doomsday,
like they're expecting in thatnine spot.
Is this Bears team competitivein the north?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I hate to say this, traj, I hate because I hate the
Bears.
I hate them so much.
I hate the city of Chicago.
We all do.
I hate the Bears, I hate theircolors, I hate the stadium, I
hate everything.
But I'm going to switch it up alittle bit.
I think they might go to Dunzay.
But if I'm the Bears, I'mtaking Caleb Williams and then
I'm taking my favorite player inthe entire draft.
I think this guy is beingcompletely overlooked.
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But Brock Bauer is out ofGeorgia.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I think he helps you in two areas Because, like you
were saying, their offensiveline not great last year.
They added a couple pieces infree agency.
It's going to be a little bitbetter.
Guy is an elite pass catchingtight end, but he's also going
to add a great blockingcomponent to help your offensive
line.
So that's kind of filling twoholes.
On this Bears defense, I look ata team that has, like you're
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saying, I'm not a big CalebWilliams fan.
I don't think you can deny histalent.
You watch this guy throw theball.
He's definitely got talent.
It's the personality side thatI think is going to decide how
good he is as an NFL quarterbackand I think he's going to have
to change it a little bit.
But I look at a Bears defensethat over the last 10 games this
season, last year was top fivein the NFL Great defense the
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last 10 games.
Then you look at a Bearsoffense that Caleb Williams at
cornerback.
I think they just signed Swift.
Yeah, they got Swift.
I think they signed Swift fromthe Eagles, swift at running
back.
Not a great offensive line, butan improved offensive line.
You got DJ Moore at widereceiver.
You just traded for KeenanAllen.
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You got Keenan Allen at widereceiver.
You just traded for KeenanAllen.
You got Keenan Allen at widereceiver.
Now you plug in Cole Komet.
They also got him at tight end.
You draft Brock Bowers.
You got a Cole Komet-BrockBowers combo at tight end.
That's going to give any tightend combo a run for their money
in their league.
Or you go with a guy likeAdunze and you could argue
between Adunze, dj Moore andKeenan Allen.
That could be the best threewide receiver group in the
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entire NFL, up there with theTexans.
And you know you look at adefense that was playing better
and you add all those pieces onoffense.
I think they're probably goingto start the year slow.
I think it's going to probablytake them time to get it going.
But that's a scary team.
That's a really scary team,especially with how well that
defense is playing.
They can keep them around forthe beginning of the year until
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the offense figures it out.
But if that offense gets going,man, I don't think there's a
team in the division that canguard them, let alone I don't
know if there's a team in theNFL that could guard an offense
like that.
Obviously I think Williams isgonna have his growing pain, so
maybe not next.
But you look at the future ofthis Bears team and I mean
they're looking scary.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, and I mean the Vikings they could drop out of.
I mean they could be last placein this division here pretty
soon.
A Vikings team that wasdestined for something good and
just falling apart at the seams.
Justin Jefferson, I don't thinkhe'll put up with it for long.
He's going to want out of there, and I mean that team is
falling apart right now.
I look, I can't deny what yousaid about the Bears there and I
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mean they're that's where I.
When you look at the Packers,it's like it's screaming we need
to add defense.
We need to add defense becausewe got to be able to compete in
this league now and that mightbe where they have to lead.
We got to be able to compete inthis league now and that might
be where they have to lean now.
Maybe they have to take therisk and move up in the draft
and grab cooper to gene.
Maybe that's the thing thepackers have to do here, because
they just gotta you gotta beable to slow down the bears.
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Right, you need playmakers onthe defensive side, and that
that might be where they have tolean yeah, I got one more thing
talking about the draft there.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
You know, I've been reading some stuff and I think
the group we're not talkingabout enough right now on this
Packers team is the linebackers.
I mean outside of Quay Walkerthis linebacker group is weak.
I mean you look at a lot of therest of these guys and not a
lot of experience there.
I know a couple of these guysplayed last year but again none
of them were great players.
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So I mean outside of QuayWalker the rest of that
linebacker room is really,really shaky.
So I know this draft this yearis really poor in the linebacker
room.
I don't think there's a singleguy positional ranked inside the
first round for linebackers,which kind of gets me thinking
like could we see the Packerstake a linebacker, because you
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know, if you don't take alinebacker day one, with how
weak this group is after thefirst two or three guys, like a
lot of these guys are fourth,fifth rounders and the Packers
are in desperate need for a dayone starter.
So I kind of look at a guy likea Juran Cooper linebacker out
of Texas A&M.
I think he's the 50th overallprospect in the draft but with
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how weak this draft room is forlinebackers.
You could see these teamspossibly taking linebackers
sooner just to make sure theyget a good linebacker.
So I know that won't be the.
I don't think that would make alot of Packer fans happy.
I wouldn't be surprised because, honestly, you look at that
room and I think that might bethe weakest room on the Packers
roster right now.
Is that linebacker?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
group.
Yeah, no, I 100% agree.
And I mean looking at the draftboard I was just looking
through it there and it is bad.
The linebacker group in thisdraft is bad.
I mean you're talking about the25th best linebacker in this
draft is Nia John-Menta fromWisconsin and I mean he's a good
linebacker but he's not great.
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And you look up this draftboard.
I mean you get into the top sixand the six best linebackers
ranked 103rd in overall rankingright now in this draft.
I mean it is not good.
But yeah, it's a position thePackers have to address at some
point here, whether it's goingto be in free agency or you're
going to address it here.
I mean you do have McDuffieplayed good snaps last year.
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You're going to get McDuffieback, but he's a role player.
You need playmakers.
I mean we're talking, we'relooking at guys like Fred Warner
out there, who he is.
The 49ers defense he is allover the the place and that's
where you need to be.
If you are the Packers rightnow.
You need playmakers.
I think Quay can be that guy.
I really do.
But outside of that, like yousaid, I mean we're we got holes.
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There are holes to fill on thisdefense and where are you gonna
fill them?
I it.
It's gonna be an interestingdraft.
I in good against.
We trust right.
We got to trust good against.
He surprised us before.
He might dip into thislinebacker pool and pull out
somebody who was fantastic right, he might find a diamond in the
rough in that linebacker room.
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I don't know if he goes thereright off the bat, but you know
they got an early second roundpick there.
They got that jets pick in thatsecond round and then they have
their pick in the second.
Maybe a second round guy thatthis Packers team jumps all over
I.
That's the only thing that Icould see.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I just can't see, you just got to be careful, though.
Second round yeah, I, yeah, likeyou were saying, like I think
the guy I'm looking at is the60th ranked prospect.
But you know, like we weresaying there when you're reading
off, I think the fifth guy yousaid was like a ranked 130.
I mean you got to be careful,you got to make sure he's going
to be there for that secondround pick, otherwise you go
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from taking a guy that's rankedin the top two rounds to I think
the next guy is ranked as likea fourth or fifth round
linebacker and potentially arotational piece, and that's not
what we need.
We need a starting linebacker.
So, like you're saying, I Idon't want him to go linebacker,
I want him to go cornerback, Iwant him, I want him to go
tackle cornerback.
But I wouldn't be surprisedwhatsoever if they trade up
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early in the second round to tryto get a linebacker, because
after these top two, three guys,it is like some of these guys
not all top, not all the top 10linebacker, because after these
top two, three guys, it is likesome of these guys not all top,
not all of the top 10linebackers probably going to
get drafted.
That's how bad this room is.
So you got to be careful,really careful with that
linebacker group.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It is definitely going to be an interesting draft
.
It is definitely going to beinteresting for Green Bay to see
which ways they head.
I mean, we know we got ourquarterback right.
We got our quarterback.
The receiving room is fine.
I you would be.
I could see Goodikens grabbinga receiver just because it's
Brian Goodikens and he justloves to have.
I mean, you can never haveenough skill position players
(54:35):
right.
You can never have enough.
I just don't want to see him goto.
I want to see him stretch.
I don't want to see him stretch.
I want to see him answer someof the other problems first here
in this upcoming draft.
So I mean with that anythingelse you got to add on to the
end here as the draft's comingup tonight.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Let's just all do a quick prayer for Cooper DeGene,
because that's the guy we want.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
That's the guy we want.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Hopefully we can come on here next week and talk
about our new start in safety,Cooper DeGene.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Cooper DeGene or Joe Alt.
We hope Joe Alt drops all theway down to 25 as the best
offensive tackle we can.
Grab him, we're all there forhim.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Please Brock Bowers drop.
Please Brock Bowers drop.
Brock Bowers drop in there.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
I mean we're open.
We're open, right, I'll takeBrock Bowers.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You hear me now.
I think he's going the bestplayer out of this draft.
I watch him play at Georgia andthat guy will immediately be a
top five tight end in the league.
I don't know why teams are.
I've seen him drop all the waydown to 18.
I don't understand thatwhatsoever.
He's a big guy, he can block,he's a great wide receiver.
(55:38):
Just please don't let the Bearsget him.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
The only way he drops out of five is if the Chargers
trade up with the MinnesotaVikings and the Vikings go up to
grab JJ McCarthy.
That's the only way I could seeBrock Bowers making it past Jim
Harbaugh, because if Harbaughgets his shot with Bowers, there
is no way he doesn't bring himout there with Justin Herbert.
That just got to be it.
(56:01):
I mean, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, that's just got to be it.
I mean, there's no way.
Yeah, and that's why I think,at number nine, I think the
Bears would take him, becauseyou listen to all these
quarterbacks and a youngquarterback's best friend is a
tight end, a guy across themiddle, a guy in the flats.
So I think they got the widereceivers.
I won't be shocked at all ifBrock Bowers falls to nine there
, if the Bears take him.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Oh, 100%.
I mean you look at Jordan Love,how much he progressed.
When Luke Musgrave and TuckerCraft are both playing well, you
saw how much better Jordan Lovelooked out there.
I mean, I'm not saying thatJordan Love didn't have it and
the receivers weren't helpingout with that, but man, when
those tight ends started to go,jordan Love looked phenomenal.
And you look at I mean KittleKelsey, all of them, they make
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their quarterbacks look good.
That's just how it is.
So I mean we're hoping for agood draft, right, we're hoping
for a good draft.
We're hoping the Badgers findus somebody in the transfer
portal and we're looking for theBrewers World Series.
We're just talking World Seriesright now.
We want to see a World Seriescome back in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Dynasty series come back in Milwaukee.
Dynasty, just a dynasty isstarting.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
right now.
We are starting a dynasty.
Once Christian Jelic comes backfrom the injured list, Then the
dynasty starts.
Then it starts Bucs.
We're going to talk more aboutthe Bucs tomorrow here on the
show as we get into the weekendpreview.
But with that this has beenWisconsin Sports on the go with
Trage.
Thank you guys for listening.
We'll catch you guys back heretomorrow, but until then, deuces
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Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, oh my Lord, watch me sway.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Darkness falls and we all pray, hoping for the light
of day.
No-transcript.
Thank you how we doing, everybody, and welcome to
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Wisconsin Sports on the go withTrage.
I'm your host, trage.
It is a fantastic Thursday herein the great state of Wisconsin
.
My voice still hasn't come back, been dealing with this cold.
You guys know it.
Yesterday was a rough one.
Yesterday was a rough one.
Today we're going to make itthrough.
You know what?
Today was such a big day?
I had to bring in the big guns.
I had to bring in the notAustin, no, not Austin, sorry
(00:58):
folks, not Austin.
But I got Rogan with me today.
Rogan, we got a big day.
We got a big day, the draftcoming up.
Today.
We got the Bucs.
They're going to be in actionhere.
I believe Friday is game threeof that series against the
Pacers.
So we got the Bucs to talkabout today.
We have the Brewers going on.
How are you doing on thisfantastic Thursday?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Doing good Trades.
We only got a couple weeks ofschool left here.
A big couple weeks of Wisconsinsports going on between the
Brewers Packers with the draftand now this Bucs series that's
got underway.
So good couple weeks coming up.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Isn't it?
Just, you know, it baffled me.
I was thinking about it todayand I was like, how am I
supposed to get back intofootball mode right now?
I mean, I got the NBA playoffsgoing on, I have the MLB just
starting up here and now it'slike, oh, we're just going to
throw the draft right in betweenit.
So now let's just get confusedagain.
We forgot about who's on thePackers team, but now we have to
(01:54):
dissect who's on it.
I mean, I just got into thatmode today.
But to start it out, I got aquestion for you.
You're down there in Madisonright now and we're watching.
I mean, I've talked about thelast couple of days here, but
we're watching this men'sbasketball team kind of.
I mean, they're gone,everybody's basically gone.
I mean we got there's piecescoming back, right.
(02:14):
But I mean Chucky Hepburn, thatwas the last guy, that was the
last guy I expected to walk outthe door, and Chucky's gone.
And now AJ Storr.
I heard today that he wasalready in talks with Illinois
in like February about anegotiation for a deal to go to
Illinois.
Now, to me that's stupid,that's that's should be
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tampering.
Now the NCAA doesn't care, butthat should be some kind of
tampering rule against that.
But I mean AJ store is gone aseason.
He's on his way to Nebraska now.
And I mean we've lost benchpiecesorer is gone, ascension
he's on his way to Nebraska now.
And I mean we've lost benchpieces, guys who weren't really
seeing the floor at all anyways.
But I mean guys are walking outof Madison and I'm hearing a lot
of targeting right, we'retargeting a lot of guys in the
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transfer portal, but I'm notseeing a lot of guys say, hey,
I'm going to Madison.
I mean I see a lot in the top10, but that's it.
I mean Frankie Fidler, he'sgoing to Michigan State now.
Chucky Eppern I saw he might begoing to Louisville.
That's the last place I saw him, for crystal ball prediction
was Louisville.
So I mean Rogan, what's thebuzz in Madison right now?
(03:19):
And I mean, is it an NILproblem?
Is it a head coaching problem?
Is it a little bit of both?
What the heck is going on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
You know, I think it is a little bit of both.
Obviously, I think this is thenew day and age of college
basketball here.
It's been a couple years forthe Badgers, but I think just
because we're so used to asBadger fans, having these guys
stick around for almost theentirety of their career, but
with this NIL stuff going,that's just not the case and
you've seen it a lot with thesemid, I wouldn't say the Badgers
(03:54):
is a big basketball program butthey're definitely not as small.
They're kind of right in themiddle there and I think this is
sadly going to be the new normwhere a lot of guys after every
season are going to leave.
These teams are going to lookdifferent almost year in and
year out and I think that'smostly an NIL thing.
But I also think there's somecoaching there too, because the
one I was really shocked with,like you were saying, was Chucky
(04:17):
Hepper.
Never thought that guy wouldtransfer from Madison.
He just seemed like a guy thatwas close with Greg Gard were
from Madison.
He just seemed like a guy thatwas close with Greg Gard.
Obviously you have to be closewhen you go from where he did as
a freshman to being kind of thestar guy in the offense to
where he was being asked to kindof take a backseat to some of
these guys.
So I mean, if you're not closewith your coach, you're not
willing to do that, so himleaving I think.
(04:39):
I think that's got to be acoaching thing there, because I
just don't see the draw forChucky Hepburn really in the
transfer portal from some ofthese big-time schools.
I kind of see him making alateral move to another school
at about the same level of theBadgers.
So that suggests to me theremight be some coaching there.
(05:00):
But obviously AJ Storted,kansas.
Gus Yalden, freshman this year,never played.
He's out.
I think the total is up toeight.
Eight players are transferringout this year.
A season goes to Nebraska.
Obviously that's a coachingthing.
He didn't play at all this year.
You can't blame a guy for that.
But yeah, I definitely thinkit's a mix of both and sadly I
(05:20):
think this is going to be thenew norm kind of going forward
for the Badgers, where theseteams are going to look
different every year.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean, well, we heard from Greg Gard and he
says, well, we've tripled theNIL money.
Ok, if we tripled it, why isnobody thinking of Madison?
I'm not hearing guys who aresaying, yeah, madison's on my
radar, they're on my radar tohead there.
I really do think, like yousaid there, head coaching has a
lot to do with it.
Would you choose to go and playfor John Calipari or right now
(05:51):
can't think his name is slippingme right now UConn.
His name is Dan Hurley.
Would you want to go and playfor Dan Hurley?
Who's going to propel you tothe next level, who's going to
give you the most of those years?
And well, I don't know if GregGard's that guy.
Now, greg Gard might be a goodX as an O guy.
He might be.
He might be fantastic.
(06:17):
I cannot say you know, I'm notin the locker room, I can't say
any of that kind of stuff, right, but what I can see right now
is we don't get high end guys tocome.
We just watched Hunter Tyrese,hunter from Texas.
There he had the opportunity tocome back home.
Right, the Badgers were talkingabout him.
There was a wide open spot atthe point guard position.
He would have started right offthe bat.
He heads off.
He doesn't come back home.
Why is it?
Why is it that nobody's eventalking?
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Wisconsin, frankie Fidler.
I think that might have beenthe tipping point for Chucky.
Frankie announced it afterChucky had already decided to
leave.
But I really do think becauseChucky was pushing hard for
Frankie Fidler to come toMadison and I just believe that
Frankie told him Madison's out.
So Chucky's like okay, we can'tget Frankie to come.
(06:59):
There's something.
Maybe Frankie said something tohim like, hey, I mean this,
something ain't right here.
You're not getting your fullpotential.
Because you look at a guy likethis and they said Chucky
Hepburn's worth like $700,000 to$750,000 in NIL money.
That's ridiculous.
I mean, if Chucky Hepburn'sworth that, what are some of
these other guys worth?
I mean because Chucky Hepburn,he's a fantastic.
(07:20):
I really do like Chucky Hepburn.
I think he's a fantastic.
I really do like Chucky Hepburn.
I think he's a great pointguard.
And Yacht, is he a greatshooter at times?
No, I mean.
But who isn't right?
Tyrese Hunter is not a greatshooter at times.
But if that guy's worth 700,000,how are the Badgers going to
get anybody?
How are they going to getanybody to commit to Madison?
And that leads me to we got tobe able to put guys into
(07:43):
contracts.
You have to, because otherwisewe're going to see guys like AJ
Stork.
What is it?
He's been to seven differentschools in his entire career,
now through high school and nowinto college.
That's just stupid.
That's ridiculous.
You cannot coach basketball ifyou do not have some kind of I
know this guys.
And now Greg Gard, I mean herecruited two guys.
(08:05):
Right, you got Daniel Freetagand Jack Robinson coming in, but
you have to replace six moreguys off of your roster now, six
guys, and now you can't planfor that.
That's just like you'reunloading.
You're like John Calipari downthere in Arkansas right now.
I think he's got maybe threeguys on the roster at this point
, like you're at that point.
(08:26):
If you are Greg Gard, I just Idon't know.
I mean you're down there inMadison is what's the buzz like?
I mean students, everythinglike that.
What's the buzz like down theretalking about Gard, talking
about this program?
I mean they're loading up.
Next year the Big 10 is youhave Oregon coming in, you have
Washington USC, you have UCLA.
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The Badgers are trendingtowards the spot where they're
going to be bottom half like bigtime.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'm not going to lie, in basketball especially
, people are defeated.
I think people are reallydefeated, like we saw all these
guys leave and then and then ontop of that we have the athletic
board going out and extendingguard through, I believe, 2029,
which I think that was for a lotof people down here.
That was mind-boggling, justbecause all you could hear last
(09:16):
year was at the end of theseason, like if they don't have
a big, big, big 10 tournamentrun like he's probably out of
here, and then to that.
But then the first round exitin the tournament.
A lot of people thought thatthere was a good chance he was
going to be gone.
And now you extend them for thenext what five years?
That was pretty mind boggling.
But you know, I think as a coachI don't the Badgers the last
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couple of years have really goneto the transfer portal and you
start, you listen to some ofthese good coaches like Dan
Hurley and talk about thetransfer portal and they use it
more as a way to fill in holeson the team.
You have to recruit at a highlevel and they say, once you're
done recruiting, that's when yougo to the transfer portal and
if you need a shooter, you goafter a shooter.
If you need a defender, you goget a defender.
(10:01):
That's how UConn's won the lastcouple of years and to me it's
the Badgers are like completelyrelying on the transfer portal.
Now, when you're only bringingin two recruits and you're done
and you lose eight, I meanyou're going to have to bring in
six, seven guys from thetransfer portal and and it's
it's hard to tell with some ofthese guys, because a lot of
these guys the Badgers go afterare from really small schools
that had good years and badconferences.
(10:23):
And we got lucky with AG Storycame here and had a great year.
But you don't know, with someof these guys, whereas you build
through recruits and you atleast get a foundation of
players that in there and thenyou have guys come and kind of
plug and play and round out theroster like that.
So it's going to be interestingand I just I don't know if
that's a thing the Badgers cando, like you're saying with the
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money.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
If Chucky, being a role player, is demanding
700,000 a year, I mean that'sjust not sustainable at all for
Badger basketball no, and youknow you were talking there
about recruiting and everythinglike that and what other coaches
do is a fantastic job ofrecruiting, but then building
players up, getting them readyto go.
What worries me is yeah, we'rebringing in this guy in, daniel
(11:07):
Freetag and he's supposed to begreat and Jack Robinson's
supposed to be great, but canyou throw them into a starting
lineup right now and say runwith it?
You know the John Cale Perrysat Kentucky we saw that.
I mean that doesn't workanymore.
You have to be able to haveexperienced pieces out there.
And that's where the Badgerswere last year.
They were experienced.
I mean, you look at that roster.
They were experienced.
They were supposed to be reallyexperienced coming back this
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year.
And now it's like, okay, we'regoing to be throwing freshmen in
there, we're going to bethrowing Nolan Winter into Tyler
Wallspot and asking him to takeon a boatload of the scoring
there.
And I don't know if NolanWinters I mean he might.
I'm not going to say anythingagainst Nolan Winter because he
might have a big offseason.
He might, you know, developinto this well-rounded big guy
(11:52):
in Madison.
But what worries me the most isthat I have not seen anybody
progress under Greg Gardner andif anybody wants to argue that
with me, I know you and I we hada little tizzy about that once,
about the whole Greg Gardnerguys getting better, but I mean
and I understood where you werecoming from where guys have, you
know, developed but notdeveloped right?
(12:13):
Tyler Wall developed, he got alittle bit better with his moves
, but he didn't get better.
In the essence of he didn'tbecome more than a one trick
pony.
And that's where I worry withNolan Winter is.
Yeah, he came in like StevenCrowell, as a good three-point
shooter who can score it aroundthe rim, but we've seen Steven
Crowell go backwards.
We saw Chucky go backwards.
It really worries me that, yeah, we might be bringing in these
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fantastic recruits, but do theyget better?
Conor Asijian I expected him inthis last year to become one of
the best shooters in the Big Ten.
We didn't see him.
We didn't see this guy on ateam that was a terrible
defensive team.
We did not see Conor at all andit's like OK, well, why?
Why is he not out there if he'sa great shooter?
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I think Fred, I mean Hoibergdown there in Nebraska he
doesn't care, they're not a gooddefensive team, they're just
going to shoot the lights out.
He's going to fit in just finethere and I would hate to see
him because that guy might torchus.
So I don't know.
Wisconsin basketball is inshambles right now and I am like
I said yesterday.
I'm waiting for some kind ofnotification on my phone to say
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Wisconsin is getting this guy.
That's all I need to see rightnow, because right now all I'm
getting is Wisconsin istargeting this guy.
I'm sick of the targeting.
I need to get somebody in herein Madison because right now
they have a lot of holes, likeyou said, holes to fill in the
roster.
They have a lot of holes andright now I don't think the
recruiting trail is going tofill that for them.
(13:38):
So with that, I want to get outof the Badgers.
I want to.
I want to get out of theBadgers.
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The offense was explosive.
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The defense I.
You know what really stuck outto me and I'm gonna let you
speak on this too, but theeffort in game one.
They were all over the Pacers.
I mean the Pacers couldn't getan open shot and when they did,
they were rushed.
They couldn't find any openingsin this Bucs defense.
They played downright fantastic.
Then we came to game two and itflipped script.
The Pacers put the pressure onthe Bucs.
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The Bucs couldn't get any goodlooks off Dame.
I mean we've seen Dame playsome fantastic games in the
first half, but in the secondhalf he has struggled and it
honestly is really surprising.
I saw the stat today he has 61points in the first half right
now of game one and two, eightpoints in the second half of
game one and two.
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So the Pacers are finding a wayto slow down Damian Lillard in
that second half, and I mean theBucs got to fight.
Looking at the defense, theyhave to find a way to slow down
Pascal Siakam.
I don't care what you have todo.
If you have to throw a doubleteam at him, whatever it is, you
have to leave Miles Turner openfor three.
Whatever you have to do at thispoint, you have to slow down
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Siakam because he is killing youleft and right.
So I mean, rogan, looking atgame one and two of this series
right now, what are you seeingout of this Bucs team that you
like and what's kind of worryingyou moving forward here?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, I mean I'll start off with what's worrying
me.
Like you were saying, damon,the second half has just
disappeared and I was reading anarticle today and it kind of
made some sense.
But I honestly think he's justgetting tired, like I mean,
especially with how demandingthey've been of him on defense.
I think he's just I honestlythink he's just getting tired
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because, for how he's played inthe first half, it's kind of
hard for me to believe that he'scooled off that much in the
second half.
But I mean, I think fatigue isjust playing a big role Because,
like you were saying, he scoredeight points in the second half
.
He has yet to score a point inthe fourth quarter in the first
two games and Damian Lillard isa closer Like that's what he's
best at is scoring down thestretch.
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So that just shows me that Imean all his career has been
great in the fourth quarter.
So it's hard for me to believehe's been that off in the fourth
quarter.
I honestly just think he'stired.
He's 33 now.
I just think he's getting tired, especially, like you were
saying, with the pressurethey've been putting on him,
honestly, the last three halves,even the second half of that
first game they started doubleteaming him and you saw a lot of
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that again in game two.
So I think he's just gettingkind of getting wore down.
And back to the Pascal Siakam.
I just like we were talking atthe trade deadline trade targets
I was talking I thought theyneeded to go after a wing
defender because they couldn'tguard the guards.
Obviously you bring in Pat BevI think that was a great
addition but we were stillhoping that they'd bring in a
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long, a long wing defender andyou're really seeing that now,
without one, how the Bucs areunable to guard a good wing such
as Pascal Siakam, which I thinkthat's why, down the stretch,
it's going to be.
I think the series is going tobe decided on when Giannis is
able to come back, because he isa guy that would be able to
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guard Pascal Siakam and I thinkif you're able to guard him, the
rest of this team is so youngand you saw in the first game
and a half they looked verynervous.
Except for Pascal Siakam, he'sthe only guy that's had playoff
experience.
So I think the series is reallygoing to come down to when we
get Giannis back, if we'rewinning the series at the point
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or how much we're down in theseries when he comes back,
because, other than that,there's just no one on this team
to guard Pascal Siakam.
But I think, even more troubling, looking forward to a potential
Celtics matchup with the lackof wing defense that's kind of
been exposed in this series howin the world are they going to
be able to guard guys like JasonTatum and Jalen Brown on the
perimeter?
I just don't know how theycould do that.
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But it has been nice to see,like you were saying, the
intensity on defense.
It has been there.
This Pacers team is the bestoffense in the league and they
have gotten after them a littlebit on the defensive side and
they're going to have nightswhere they're.
I mean to hold the Pacers to110 points would be a good
defensive night.
That's how good of an offensiveteam they are.
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So I think it's going to be.
I think the series is going tocome down to when Giannis is
able to come back.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You know, and you brought up an interesting thing
there and I talked about ityesterday here, and that is
Patrick Beverly.
Now I love Pat Bev, I do.
He's a great defender.
I think he brings a goodattitude to this Bucs team.
But when you look at thescoring of the Bucs, when you
look at the problems they havescoring the basketball right now
, middleton, I mean he's beenhitting shots, but not right.
He's been struggling.
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Brooke Lopez been struggling.
Bobby can only do so much offthe bench and in his starting
role right now.
And then I mean you look at theother pieces, aj Green, crowder
, those guys aren't scoring.
Connington, I thought, playedwell in a role in game two, but
there again he's not like he'sgoing to light up the scorebook.
So I love Pat Beverly in thelineup, but what I was talking
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about yesterday there is hislack of offensive ability, his
lack of ability to hit shots foryou, this Bucs team.
When they were down big, he wasin the ballgame and he was
taking some shots, but it waslike I don't trust him to make
those shots right.
And I look at a guy like MalikBeasley Now he's not going to
give you the same attitude.
He's not going to give you thesame defensive tenacity that
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Patrick Beverly can bring, butBeasley can hit shots for you.
So I mean to me, I like PatBevin's stretches, but I don't
think I can have him out therefor extended minutes at a time,
especially in a game or in aseries against the Pacers where
you're going to Indiana now.
It's going to be offense.
You're going to need theoffense to show up and you're
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going to need to hit shots and Idon't know to me if Patrick
Beverly can step up and be thatguy for this Bucs team.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I agree with that too and honestly, I
wouldn't even mind.
I know he's a rookie and hehasn't played much, but I
wouldn't mind Andre Jacksonbeing thrown in there, because
that is the one guy in this team, without Giannis right now,
that has a good frame andability on defense to guard
Siakam.
So I mean, like you were saying,I think you either need to go
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with offense with Malik Beasleythere or you need to bring in I
know Pat Bev's a great defender,but he's not the defender in
the lineup we need right now.
We need a long guy.
So I feel like you either needto go with a shooting in Beasley
or you need to go with a guythat is able to guard Siakam,
because right now it's Siakambeating the Bucs right now.
You look at the rest of theseguys in this Pacer team and, yes
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, a couple of them had decentgames in game two, but none of
them through the first two gameshave looked that comfortable,
except for Siakam.
So I think you either need togo with a shooting of Beasley
there or I'd give Jackson a runwith the starters just to see
how he holds up on Siakam.
He can finish around the rimtoo, so it's not like he's going
to be a liability out there onoffense.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
No big time and you know you talked about like we
were talking the double team onDame right now.
Why can they do that?
Nobody else can hit on thisteam.
They don't respect anyone elseon this team to step out and hit
a shot, to drive Delane and hitany.
That's just where they're atwith Milwaukee right now.
They're saying to themselves ifwe stop game, we stop the Bucs,
because that's how it is.
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I mean Brooks, inconsistent,middleton, the mid-range was
there but otherwise inconsistentfor this Bucs team.
So yeah, you got to trysomething.
You have to try something and Iknow we talk about effort.
I know for a fact if you putAjax in there, he will give you
effort.
He is going to 100% try to lockdown whoever it is that he's on
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out there, and I mean Beasleyisn't a great defender, but he
gets out on guys.
He's going to at least put ahand in the face on some of
these guys and be able to pesterthem just a little bit.
You have to somehow make up forDamian Lillard not able to get
open in these games here, andthat's going to be one of those
guys to be able to knock downbig shots for this Bucs team
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Because I mean, pat Bev might beable to get going, he might be
able to hit you some shots, buthe's not a consistent shooter.
He's not a consistent shooterand it's not going to end well
if the Bucs keep relying on himto be that guy.
He's not a PJ Tucker.
He's not PJj tucker.
He's not.
Pj tucker was long.
He got after guys on thedefensive end.
He guarded up kd.
I mean, he shut down kd like itwas nothing.
That was pj tucker's job.
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That's how he did it.
Patrick beverill a little bitundersized to be able to do
things like that.
So I mean we're moving ahead togame three here.
That's gonna be in indiana, forthey're gonna be in indiana for
two now, and man, they have toshow up with some kind of
defensive intensity becauseheading to indiana, for they're
gonna be in indiana for two now,and man, they have to show up
with some kind of defensiveintensity because heading to
indiana, that place is going tobe a raucous crowd.
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They're going to be all over.
Because diaries halliburton hewas talking about this bucks
crowd saying how bad they were.
I heard something about theytold one of his family members
they call them the n word orsomething I don't know.
I heard that I it's up in thelike.
Nobody like.
There was fans who said, likewe didn't hear that yeah we
didn't hear that.
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That's what they said and it'slike so who's telling the?
I don't want to say thatanybody's lying, I don't want to
say that he's lying, but at thesame time it's like there was
fans sitting around that sameguy who apparently got moved and
they're like he didn't say that.
He didn't say a word about that.
So I mean, that could be Bucsfans having Bucs fans back there
too, right, I mean, but you'regonna have a raucous crowd.
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How are you gonna respond tothat?
And I mean, what are youlooking for?
Game three of this series fromthe Bucs, what do you gotta see?
What do you?
I mean, we talked about alittle bit there, but what do
you have to see in this gamehere for the Bucs to pull off a
win?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I got to see some of these bench guys get it going
because, like you said,middleton had a good game one,
not a great game two, but he'sgiven you decent numbers for the
first two games.
Lopez, not a great game one,pretty good game.
Yesterday I think he had sixthrees or whatever game.
Yesterday I think he had sixthrees or whatever.
Bobby had a rough, had a roughgame.
Uh, game two, but a good game,game one.
So, and Dame, dame needs to getit going in the second half.
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I need to see him down thestretch.
I'd rather have 30 points inthe second half than 30 points
in the first half.
But other those four betweenthose four.
They've been pretty consistentthrough these first two games.
It's these bench guys.
You knowJ Green, in that firstgame, three wide-open looks from
three, couldn't hit any of themdown.
Connington had some really goodlooks, couldn't hit any of them
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down.
Beasley's been ever since theAll-Star break in that
three-point challenge.
He's been really strugglingfrom outside.
Nothing compared to what he wasin that first half of the
season where it felt like hecouldn't miss at all.
So I need to see these roleplayers get going, because it's
role players that win youchampionships, these stars will
go out there every game and giveyou the numbers that you need.
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But it comes down to these roleguys and I think with this
Pacers team because they like torun.
They like to run a lot.
So you kind of saw in that gametoo, or some of our starters
kind of got a little tired.
But I just don't think Doc hasenough trust in the bench guys
right now to go in there and putquality in a minute.
So I need to see some goodnumbers out of the bench guys,
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for sure in this game three 100%Everything you just said.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
There was spot on and , yeah, transition buckets.
It was like 14 points they hadin transition.
But I said that stat was alittle off because it seemed
like when the Pacers were outand running it wasn't counted as
a transition bucket, but theywere swinging the ball fast and
it led to open shots.
The Bucs got all kinds of outof sorts and they weren't able
to defend.
I mean 100%.
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I think this game three is thepivotal game of this series.
I have to be honest because ifthe Bucs go down two games to
one in Indiana, game four ofthis series, with that
possibility of going down threeto one in the series, to the pay
, I really do think this game is, it could be for all the
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marbles.
I really do think.
I mean, yes, giannis might comeback later in the series.
I don't know if he'll be backfor game three.
It sounds like he hasn'tpracticed yet.
So you know, hopefully thatgame I believe they play Friday
and then Sunday.
Hopefully that game Sunday he'sback, but that's far stretched
at this point.
But I mean you go down twogames to one to the Pacers, a
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team that's had your number.
What have they beaten them fourout of six times now this year.
I mean five Rogan's muted overon his end.
I can't.
Five out of seven.
Five out of seven, yeah, theyplayed them five times.
That's even worse.
That's even worse.
We're getting more games andless wins.
I mean five out of seven times.
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This Pacers team has taken careof the Bucs.
They have your number.
You cannot go down two games toone because then you have one
more game in Indiana yet beforeyou go back home.
You go back home down threegames to one.
We just watched the Pacers Imean offensively obliterate you
at home.
It's going to lead to a roughshot in game four, that's for
darn sure.
But I mean optimism, right,optimism.
(27:30):
The Bucs have played well.
They have played well in bothgames of this series.
It's just game two.
The Pacers couldn't miss, right?
The Bucs got it down to likethree.
They brought it all the wayback and got it down to three in
that third quarter and I waslike here come the Bucs.
The fans were into it.
It was a raucous crowd momentumtowards the Bucs and then it
just seemed like the Pacers hadan answer.
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Every time the Bucs put on arun, the Pacers had an answer.
That's where the Bucs have tobe in this game three.
They have to be able to answerthe Pacers.
I mean possession by possession.
Basically, they have to be ableto hang with the Pacers until
late and that's where Dame turnsit on right.
That's where they need Dame toturn it on.
So second half, like you said,is going to be huge for Damian
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Lillard in this one.
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But with that, let's talkbrewers.
Let's talk brewers for a minute.
We're just going to get intothe brewers a little bit here
before we talk about the Packers.
So the Brewers, I mean, they'reoff to a pretty good start,
right?
We're watching the game aswe're recording this right now,
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playing the Pirates there inGame 3 of that series.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
They've had a little bit of a skid.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
But I mean looking at this Brewers team as a whole a
lot of surprises.
We did not expect this Brewersteam to be at the point that
they are now Looking at theplayer side of it.
Who has been the biggestsurprise to you to start this
season for the Brewers?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I think the biggest surprise so far.
I would have to go with the guyBlake Perkins.
He's played.
I know he hasn't played all thegames, but through 16 games.
Right now he's batting .309center field.
So he's been playing reallyreally well as of
late.
And another guy I know thisisn't a big surprise just
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because he's been a good player,but Wilson Contreras is just
ripping the cover off thebaseball this year.
I mean you can argue right nowthrough 24, 25 games that he's
had the best hitting year ofanybody in the MLB so far.
I mean I know they were showingsome stats about his exit
velocity being second.
And for a catcher, I meancatchers aren't really.
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I mean there's some greatbatting catchers out there but
catchers are by far not reallyknown to be great offensive
batters by any means.
It's usually your outfieldersand your infield guys that take
that crown.
But 356 through 24 games, Imean he's hitting the long ball.
He's squaring up a lot ofbaseballs right now.
But so I'd say between BlakePerkins and Wilson
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Contreras.
And I also got to throw a shoutout to everybody on the
starting pitching, except forFreddy Peralta, because we knew
Freddy Peralta would be a goodpitcher this year, but those
other pitchers in the startingroles have really done quite
well for what we expectedthrough the beginning of this
year.
I know none of them areoutstanding guys, but we just
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needed them to be able to limitthese offenses to two or three
runs to start and so far,fingers crossed, that's what
they've done.
Especially as of the last weekand a half, our pitching has
been phenomenal.
I know the offense has cooledoff a little bit over the last
week, but the pitching has beenthere over this last week.
So I'd say those are my biggestsurprises so far.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, 100%.
I mean every single one ofthose guys you named has been
fantastic.
I got to say Bryce TerangTerang has been hitting
phenomenal.
He's got I think he's stillsecond in the league in stolen
bases right now.
I mean he's hitting 315.
The guy has been ridiculous tostart the year and it's all
because of that big knob on hisbat.
It's all because of the bigknob.
Now they said I heard the story.
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They said he was waiting forhis bat in the mail and it was
just your normal standard handleon it and everything like that.
And his mail was late, the batdidn't come.
The bat didn't come.
Well, his buddy had this bat,this one with the big knob on it
, and Bryce is like all right,I'll just use that to take a few
hacks here and there, and hefell in love with it.
So now that's the style of bathe uses.
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So I thought it was a real, Imean United States Postal
Service screwing over somebody.
So now they're hitting.
Well, right, I mean that's allit took.
That's all it took for him.
But also Willie Adamas.
Now in this game he's down.
I'm looking at the box of thisgame against Pirates tonight.
He's at 281 right now.
But from what we saw last yearout of Willie to this year, the
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guy is like night and daydifferent Using all facets of
the field, hitting the ballaround, not just looking for the
home run ball but driving thebaseball patient at the plate,
not chasing everything.
That's what we wanted to see.
That's what we're seeing out ofWillie right now.
So it's been fantastic whatwe've seen out of Willie Adamas
so far.
And then, like you said, thepitching staff.
I mean we're injured right now.
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We're injured up the wazoo.
Wade Miley we talked about ityesterday here.
I don't know if Wade Miley'scoming back.
I really don't.
The way that he gave thatpresser about the elbow
inflammation really he was dangnear in tears made it seem like
Wade Miley might have pitchedhis last time for the Brewers
and in the MLB and I mean.
But outside of that, colin Rayhas pitched fantastic.
I think that is one of the mostunderlying guys in this rotation
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, outside of, probably, joe Ross.
Joe Ross has pitched way aboveexpectations for a guy who
hasn't gotten a major league winsince 2021.
And now he's given us fiveinnings a piece here a pretty
good pitching baseball right now.
So I mean that has been mybiggest surprises right now is
just some of the guys who youknow, you really didn't expect
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them to do fantastic, but theyfigured it out.
They figured it out and here weare.
So Brewers, right now leadingthe division.
Do we think, do we think, thatthe Cardinals will finish in
last?
We think that the cardinalswill finish in last?
Do we think the cardinals willfinish in last?
They're there right now.
You have to figure.
At some point they're going tofigure something out, but right
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now, sitting in last place, whatdo you think?
Cardinals?
Do they finish in last?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I, I think they do.
I I offense for the Cardinalsthis year has been struggling
mightily.
They do have some good pitching.
But you look at these otherfour teams.
I think the Brewers have abetter overall team.
I think the Cubs are going tobe good this year.
I think they're only going toget better.
I think they have an overallbetter team.
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I think the Reds this year havea halfway decent team.
You know.
You look at this Pirates teamand when's the last time the
Pirates started this good?
I mean, they've got some goodyoung prospects.
They've got a good team.
I just don't see.
I think the Cardinals will getit going a little bit, but I
just honestly believe theseother four teams in the division
are better than the Cardinalsthis year.
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You've got a lot of these guysbetween Goldschmidt and who's
the third baseman for theCardinals.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Arenado.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Arenado.
He's struggling this year.
Goldschmidt hasn't got it going.
Contreras has been pretty goodthis year so far for them, but I
honestly just believe the otherfour teams in this division
might be better than theCardinals this year.
When's the last time theCardinals are going to be the
worst team in the NL Central?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
The Pirates want to duke it out for them.
They'll try and duke it out forthe last place.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
They'll try.
I think the Pirates have asemi-decent team this year
though.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah that starting pitchingstaff for the Pirates has been
very good, like very underrated.
I mean, some of the guys we'veseen against the Brewers here
are just ridiculous.
They're young but they'reridiculous.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And obviously I think Arenado Goldschmidt they'll
turn it around.
They've had horrible startsthis season.
They'll get it going.
But you know, I was watchingthat Brewers-Cardinals series
and other than those couple guysat the top there, that offense
looks pretty dead to me 100%.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I got to agree with you.
I really could see if thePirates don't completely drop
off the wagon, I could see themfinishing above the Cardinals
this year and that's really, Imean that's surprising, because
you look at a team like theCardinals historically and
that's a top of the divisionteam, that's a good team and
it's not like they don't havedecent pieces, but man, they
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just can't figure it out there.
So I mean let's get out ofbaseball.
Let's get out of baseball.
We want to get to what we'rehere for today and that is the
NFL draft that is coming uptonight here.
Packers, they got a lot of draftpicks.
Looking at it, they have the25th pick, the 41st pick, they
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have 58, 88, 91, 126, 169, 202,219, 245, and 255.
They have a lot of picks inthis draft and a lot of them
compository picks there, onefrom Alan Lazard and then Jared
Reed and then Dean Lowry Gavethem a couple picks there.
But I mean, looking at thisPackers team we've talked about
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it before here on the show someof their needs.
So we look at that 25th pickNow.
We talked about Cooper DeGene awhile back.
Sounds like Cooper DeGene mightbe gone if the Packers don't
decide to move up here and gethim off the board early on in
this one.
So, looking at that 25th pick,we know the Packers needs a
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little bit of what this Packersteam needs out there.
Where are you leaning right now?
Who's a guy that 25th pick?
That might be the guy I'm I'mstretched, or are you trading up
and trying to grab a guy?
Where are you looking right nowin this 25th spot?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know, I think Cooper to Jean would be a great,
great player, but honestly, inmy opinion, I think there's
still good enough free agents onthe safety market between, like
a guy like Justin Simmons, whowas just a couple years ago
thought to be the best safety inthe entire league and he's only
30 years old, like that's a guythat's still available out
there.
So I'm kind of and I thinkXavier McKinney, that was the
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guy that he was the safetyopposite of the safety we just
signed from the Giants last year, so I think and he's a pretty
good safety as well, and he'sonly 25.
So, you know, I was kind ofhoping the Packers might try to
shore up both those safety spotsto the free agent free agency
there and focus more on these tothe offense and defense aligned
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.
Because to me, like you'resaying, with Cooper Jean there,
I think you're gonna have totrade up to about 18-19 to be
able to get him, because I'veseen a lot of mock drafts.
That's kind of where they havehim going now.
Some of them have him fallingalmost all the way to the second
round it's.
So you never know.
But I think that guy's too goodof an athlete, too good of a
player that he's gonna fall to25.
(39:01):
I also look at a guy likeKool-Aid McKinstry who I think
would be a great player for thePackers.
He's not as versatile as Djeanbut would be a great guy for in
the slot there for the Packersto pick up and I think there's a
very real possibility theytrade up.
They've got 11 picks, I think,in the first 100 or something.
It's insane how many picks theyhave in the top 100.
(39:22):
So they've definitely got thecapital to do it.
But you know, I wouldn't mindthe Packers sticking around at
25.
And if a guy like CooperDeGene's there, great, go ahead,
draft him.
But I look at some of thesetackles that are kind of
projected to be availablebetween Graham Burton, tackle
out of Duke, tyler Gutten fromtackle out of Oklahoma.
(39:42):
Like I think the thing that'snot being talked about enough
because we signed Jacobs, wesigned that great safety, but we
lost quite a few pieces on theoffensive line this offseason.
Looking at our two startingtackles going into next year
between Zach Tom and who's ourright tackle?
Zach Tom, and is it Runyon?
(40:05):
No, not.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Runyon he's gone.
Ryan's in there, isn't he I?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
think so.
I thought it was Ryan, yeah.
But I mean, even if it's notRyan, you look at those two
tackles and Zach Tom's a goodplayer, no doubt.
I think they're actuallytalking about possibly moving
him to center.
I saw a lot of reports abouthim going to center.
They think he can be an all-protype center.
(40:31):
But you can't do that if youdon't get another tackle through
this draft and I just don'tfeel comfortable right now with
the tackles that we have on thisPackers roster and who knows If
they go with Dajin in the firstround you still have a lot of
picks left.
You can.
You can find a lot more tacklesin that second round, but I
think it's you got to find agood balance between what it
(40:53):
would take to possibly trade upto get a guy like Cooper Dajin
and what we'd lose in potentialpicks for getting some help on
this offensive line.
And I also wouldn't minddrafting that defensive tackle
out of Illinois.
I think is Jernaine Newton, Ibelieve D tackle, because this
Packers defense needs some helpon that defensive line for sure.
(41:14):
So yeah, I don't know.
I think I'd love a guy likeDajin, but I don't know what the
cost is going to be to move upseven, eight spots to get them,
and I think the Packers could.
Could be just fine stickingaround at 25 and taking one of
these tackles.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I love the tackle talk.
I really do think the Packerscould use a couple in this draft
here.
The guy that I'm looking atthough, that not a lot of people
are looking at for the Packers,and that is a guy coming out of
Clemson.
He's below Cooper Dijon.
He's the fourth rankedcornerback there, Nate Wiggins,
4.2840, 4.2840.
This guy's 6'1", 173 pounds, soyou imagine he could probably
(41:53):
get himself up to 200 there.
So he can be a pretty solidcornerback out there, Very good
at smothering receivers outthere.
I mean, he's watching hishighlight tape.
This guy is all over the field.
He gets into the backfield.
He's a bigger guy.
He can slow down some of thesereceivers and he can keep up
with the best of them.
I don't know what Tyree Kills40 time is, but 4.28 sounds
(42:14):
pretty dang fast to me.
That's all I know.
4.28 sounds fast.
So I think Nate Wiggins couldbe a guy that if he fell to the
Packers at 25, I would not beopposed to it.
You would have a lockdowncorner in Jair and on the
opposite side of the field youwould have Nate Wiggins, Because
I just Eric Stokes to me.
I never know.
(42:34):
We haven't seen him get outthere.
He's been injury riddled and,as of late, I just don't know
what to expect out of EricStokes.
I mean, I hope that he turnsout to be a guy right, but I
don't know so.
And then you have Ballantyneand Valentine coming back there.
But this is a guy you can addin that cornerback room and he's
going to make an instant splashinto your team.
(42:55):
That's if Cooper DeGene isn'tthere.
Like you said, Cooper DeGene'sthere.
You don't even it hesitation.
You grab this guy in CooperDijon because that is, he's a
different kind of guy.
He's a ball hawk, he's all overthe place.
He's like a Morgan Barnett kindof guy.
He's all over the place.
He's going to get into thebackfield and make things happen
.
So I mean, that's a guy I'mlooking at is Nate Wiggins.
(43:16):
But yeah, like you were talkingthere, you can never have
enough tackles.
You can never have enoughtackles.
I don't think Joe Alt would befantastic.
I don't think he's going to bethere.
But you look down the list.
Here you have that Fuga guycoming out of Oregon State.
He's solid.
Jordan Morgan, coming out ofArizona, played solid this year.
You have Joe Alt's oppositethere in Blake Fisher, coming
(43:39):
out of Notre Dame.
He was fantastic in this lastyear, ranked in the eighth spot
right now.
So there's a lot of pieces youcan pick in this draft.
Or offensive line-wise, Becauseright now, I mean you look at
the top 10 picks, there might bean offensive tackle taken in
there.
But you know, you look, you'regoing to probably see I mean
(43:59):
Caleb Williams, Then you'reprobably going to get Jayden
Daniels, Then you're looking atDrake May.
We don't know what the Vikingsare going to do.
They might trade up and grab onto JJ McCarthy there, and then
you're going to have MarvinHarrison heading to Arizona
there.
We know that.
I mean, we don't know that, butwe're pretty darn sure of it
right now, where all these guysare basically heading.
So outside of that top 10,that's where you're going to get
(44:22):
into a lot of these tackles andthat might drop Cooper Dujun
further.
That might make him a veil.
I don't know, I don't.
You know, that's the great partabout the draft Surprises.
There will be a lot ofsurprises and we might see one
in this one here where it's likethe Texans last year, where
they're jumping up and they'regrabbing two guys in the top
(44:44):
three, Like that was two guys inthe top three.
That was ridiculous moves byHouston last year.
We might see that again thisyear.
Here we're going to stay withthe draft here.
Looking at the Bears the Bears,we know they're going to grab
Caleb Williams.
We know they're grabbing CalebWilliams With that nine spot.
Then you have your options.
You can grab an offensivelineman.
They desperately need offensiveline help.
(45:05):
You can grab a wide receiver Ibelieve who was that receiver
that I saw out of Washington,right, Odunze, Odunze.
They were talking at the ninespot there and I mean you have
there's a lot of good receiversin this draft here.
Xavier Worthy is actuallyranked as the number eight
coming out of Texas there.
But Xavier Worthy is afantastic receiver and he lit it
(45:25):
up at the combine.
So Xavier Worthy is stillprobably going to be there.
I mean, I just want to know fromyour perspective, if the Bears
get Williams and let's just saythey go and they grab a Doonze,
is this Bears team like?
Are they ahead of the Vikingsnow?
Are they competing with theLions and the Packers Like?
(45:46):
The defense for the Bears isn'tbad, right, but the offense,
the offensive line's terrible.
You know they can't figure itout at quarterback.
Maybe Caleb Williams is the guy.
I have never been sold on CalebWilliams personally.
That's just my opinion on theguy.
I just something about.
It just screams to me, JohnnyManziel.
Something about him justscreams Johnny Manziel to me,
(46:08):
and I can't get over that.
Baker changed, though.
Right Baker came in with thatkind of same attitude.
But I think Baker's reallymellowed back and I love what
he's doing in Tampa now, but Ijust get that with Caleb
Williams.
So I mean to you they getWilliams probably a doomsday,
like they're expecting in thatnine spot.
Is this Bears team competitivein the north?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I hate to say this, traj, I hate because I hate the
Bears.
I hate them so much.
I hate the city of Chicago.
We all do.
I hate the Bears, I hate theircolors, I hate the stadium, I
hate everything.
But I'm going to switch it up alittle bit.
I think they might go to Dunzay.
But if I'm the Bears, I'mtaking Caleb Williams and then
I'm taking my favorite player inthe entire draft.
I think this guy is beingcompletely overlooked.
(46:53):
But Brock Bauer is out ofGeorgia.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I think he helps you in two areas Because, like you
were saying, their offensiveline not great last year.
They added a couple pieces infree agency.
It's going to be a little bitbetter.
Guy is an elite pass catchingtight end, but he's also going
to add a great blockingcomponent to help your offensive
line.
So that's kind of filling twoholes.
On this Bears defense, I look ata team that has, like you're
(47:21):
saying, I'm not a big CalebWilliams fan.
I don't think you can deny histalent.
You watch this guy throw theball.
He's definitely got talent.
It's the personality side thatI think is going to decide how
good he is as an NFL quarterbackand I think he's going to have
to change it a little bit.
But I look at a Bears defensethat over the last 10 games this
season, last year was top fivein the NFL Great defense the
(47:43):
last 10 games.
Then you look at a Bearsoffense that Caleb Williams at
cornerback.
I think they just signed Swift.
Yeah, they got Swift.
I think they signed Swift fromthe Eagles, swift at running
back.
Not a great offensive line, butan improved offensive line.
You got DJ Moore at widereceiver.
You just traded for KeenanAllen.
(48:04):
You got Keenan Allen at widereceiver.
You just traded for KeenanAllen.
You got Keenan Allen at widereceiver.
Now you plug in Cole Komet.
They also got him at tight end.
You draft Brock Bowers.
You got a Cole Komet-BrockBowers combo at tight end.
That's going to give any tightend combo a run for their money
in their league.
Or you go with a guy likeAdunze and you could argue
between Adunze, dj Moore andKeenan Allen.
That could be the best threewide receiver group in the
(48:27):
entire NFL, up there with theTexans.
And you know you look at adefense that was playing better
and you add all those pieces onoffense.
I think they're probably goingto start the year slow.
I think it's going to probablytake them time to get it going.
But that's a scary team.
That's a really scary team,especially with how well that
defense is playing.
They can keep them around forthe beginning of the year until
(48:47):
the offense figures it out.
But if that offense gets going,man, I don't think there's a
team in the division that canguard them, let alone I don't
know if there's a team in theNFL that could guard an offense
like that.
Obviously I think Williams isgonna have his growing pain, so
maybe not next.
But you look at the future ofthis Bears team and I mean
they're looking scary.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, and I mean the Vikings they could drop out of.
I mean they could be last placein this division here pretty
soon.
A Vikings team that wasdestined for something good and
just falling apart at the seams.
Justin Jefferson, I don't thinkhe'll put up with it for long.
He's going to want out of there, and I mean that team is
falling apart right now.
I look, I can't deny what yousaid about the Bears there and I
(49:31):
mean they're that's where I.
When you look at the Packers,it's like it's screaming we need
to add defense.
We need to add defense becausewe got to be able to compete in
this league now and that mightbe where they have to lead.
We got to be able to compete inthis league now and that might
be where they have to lean now.
Maybe they have to take therisk and move up in the draft
and grab cooper to gene.
Maybe that's the thing thepackers have to do here, because
they just gotta you gotta beable to slow down the bears.
(49:54):
Right, you need playmakers onthe defensive side, and that
that might be where they have tolean yeah, I got one more thing
talking about the draft there.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
You know, I've been reading some stuff and I think
the group we're not talkingabout enough right now on this
Packers team is the linebackers.
I mean outside of Quay Walkerthis linebacker group is weak.
I mean you look at a lot of therest of these guys and not a
lot of experience there.
I know a couple of these guysplayed last year but again none
of them were great players.
(50:25):
So I mean outside of QuayWalker the rest of that
linebacker room is really,really shaky.
So I know this draft this yearis really poor in the linebacker
room.
I don't think there's a singleguy positional ranked inside the
first round for linebackers,which kind of gets me thinking
like could we see the Packerstake a linebacker, because you
(50:47):
know, if you don't take alinebacker day one, with how
weak this group is after thefirst two or three guys, like a
lot of these guys are fourth,fifth rounders and the Packers
are in desperate need for a dayone starter.
So I kind of look at a guy likea Juran Cooper linebacker out
of Texas A&M.
I think he's the 50th overallprospect in the draft but with
(51:09):
how weak this draft room is forlinebackers.
You could see these teamspossibly taking linebackers
sooner just to make sure theyget a good linebacker.
So I know that won't be the.
I don't think that would make alot of Packer fans happy.
I wouldn't be surprised because, honestly, you look at that
room and I think that might bethe weakest room on the Packers
roster right now.
Is that linebacker?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
group.
Yeah, no, I 100% agree.
And I mean looking at the draftboard I was just looking
through it there and it is bad.
The linebacker group in thisdraft is bad.
I mean you're talking about the25th best linebacker in this
draft is Nia John-Menta fromWisconsin and I mean he's a good
linebacker but he's not great.
(51:50):
And you look up this draftboard.
I mean you get into the top sixand the six best linebackers
ranked 103rd in overall rankingright now in this draft.
I mean it is not good.
But yeah, it's a position thePackers have to address at some
point here, whether it's goingto be in free agency or you're
going to address it here.
I mean you do have McDuffieplayed good snaps last year.
(52:11):
You're going to get McDuffieback, but he's a role player.
You need playmakers.
I mean we're talking, we'relooking at guys like Fred Warner
out there, who he is.
The 49ers defense he is allover the the place and that's
where you need to be.
If you are the Packers rightnow.
You need playmakers.
I think Quay can be that guy.
I really do.
But outside of that, like yousaid, I mean we're we got holes.
(52:34):
There are holes to fill on thisdefense and where are you gonna
fill them?
I it.
It's gonna be an interestingdraft.
I in good against.
We trust right.
We got to trust good against.
He surprised us before.
He might dip into thislinebacker pool and pull out
somebody who was fantastic right, he might find a diamond in the
rough in that linebacker room.
(52:55):
I don't know if he goes thereright off the bat, but you know
they got an early second roundpick there.
They got that jets pick in thatsecond round and then they have
their pick in the second.
Maybe a second round guy thatthis Packers team jumps all over
I.
That's the only thing that Icould see.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I just can't see, you just got to be careful, though.
Second round yeah, I, yeah, likeyou were saying, like I think
the guy I'm looking at is the60th ranked prospect.
But you know, like we weresaying there when you're reading
off, I think the fifth guy yousaid was like a ranked 130.
I mean you got to be careful,you got to make sure he's going
to be there for that secondround pick, otherwise you go
(53:33):
from taking a guy that's rankedin the top two rounds to I think
the next guy is ranked as likea fourth or fifth round
linebacker and potentially arotational piece, and that's not
what we need.
We need a starting linebacker.
So, like you're saying, I Idon't want him to go linebacker,
I want him to go cornerback, Iwant him, I want him to go
tackle cornerback.
But I wouldn't be surprisedwhatsoever if they trade up
(53:58):
early in the second round to tryto get a linebacker, because
after these top two, three guys,it is like some of these guys
not all top, not all the top 10linebacker, because after these
top two, three guys, it is likesome of these guys not all top,
not all of the top 10linebackers probably going to
get drafted.
That's how bad this room is.
So you got to be careful,really careful with that
linebacker group.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It is definitely going to be an interesting draft
.
It is definitely going to beinteresting for Green Bay to see
which ways they head.
I mean, we know we got ourquarterback right.
We got our quarterback.
The receiving room is fine.
I you would be.
I could see Goodikens grabbinga receiver just because it's
Brian Goodikens and he justloves to have.
I mean, you can never haveenough skill position players
(54:35):
right.
You can never have enough.
I just don't want to see him goto.
I want to see him stretch.
I don't want to see him stretch.
I want to see him answer someof the other problems first here
in this upcoming draft.
So I mean with that anythingelse you got to add on to the
end here as the draft's comingup tonight.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Let's just all do a quick prayer for Cooper DeGene,
because that's the guy we want.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
That's the guy we want.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Hopefully we can come on here next week and talk
about our new start in safety,Cooper DeGene.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Cooper DeGene or Joe Alt.
We hope Joe Alt drops all theway down to 25 as the best
offensive tackle we can.
Grab him, we're all there forhim.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Please Brock Bowers drop.
Please Brock Bowers drop.
Brock Bowers drop in there.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
I mean we're open.
We're open, right, I'll takeBrock Bowers.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You hear me now.
I think he's going the bestplayer out of this draft.
I watch him play at Georgia andthat guy will immediately be a
top five tight end in the league.
I don't know why teams are.
I've seen him drop all the waydown to 18.
I don't understand thatwhatsoever.
He's a big guy, he can block,he's a great wide receiver.
(55:38):
Just please don't let the Bearsget him.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
The only way he drops out of five is if the Chargers
trade up with the MinnesotaVikings and the Vikings go up to
grab JJ McCarthy.
That's the only way I could seeBrock Bowers making it past Jim
Harbaugh, because if Harbaughgets his shot with Bowers, there
is no way he doesn't bring himout there with Justin Herbert.
That just got to be it.
(56:01):
I mean, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, that's just got to be it.
I mean, there's no way.
Yeah, and that's why I think,at number nine, I think the
Bears would take him, becauseyou listen to all these
quarterbacks and a youngquarterback's best friend is a
tight end, a guy across themiddle, a guy in the flats.
So I think they got the widereceivers.
I won't be shocked at all ifBrock Bowers falls to nine there
, if the Bears take him.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Oh, 100%.
I mean you look at Jordan Love,how much he progressed.
When Luke Musgrave and TuckerCraft are both playing well, you
saw how much better Jordan Lovelooked out there.
I mean, I'm not saying thatJordan Love didn't have it and
the receivers weren't helpingout with that, but man, when
those tight ends started to go,jordan Love looked phenomenal.
And you look at I mean KittleKelsey, all of them, they make
(56:43):
their quarterbacks look good.
That's just how it is.
So I mean we're hoping for agood draft, right, we're hoping
for a good draft.
We're hoping the Badgers findus somebody in the transfer
portal and we're looking for theBrewers World Series.
We're just talking World Seriesright now.
We want to see a World Seriescome back in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Dynasty series come back in Milwaukee.
Dynasty, just a dynasty isstarting.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
right now.
We are starting a dynasty.
Once Christian Jelic comes backfrom the injured list, Then the
dynasty starts.
Then it starts Bucs.
We're going to talk more aboutthe Bucs tomorrow here on the
show as we get into the weekendpreview.
But with that this has beenWisconsin Sports on the go with
Trage.
Thank you guys for listening.
We'll catch you guys back heretomorrow, but until then, deuces
(57:26):
.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, oh my Lord, watch me sway.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Darkness falls and we all pray, hoping for the light
of day.
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