夏巢川在白纸运动期间两度被捕,2023年的上海万圣节,TA在身上贴满白纸走上街头的照片,被媒体广泛传播。3月中旬,袁莉在荷兰的线下见面会期间见到了夏巢川,TA在2024年初离开中国来到了荷兰,自此深度参与和观察中国的海外公民社会生态。
本期节目中,夏巢川讲述了自己的成长经历,讲述了Ta如何在不同阶段、不同困境中,逐步理解中国现实的复杂性,以及行动者所面对的风险与局限。TA如何看待创伤和行动之间的联系,又是如何在恐惧从未真正消散的情况下,选择实名、站出来?
在荷兰,TA被友善的社群氛围所接住,也不断追问“下一步该怎么做”。TA从藏人和维吾尔人社群中学习经验,希望与更主流的、更专业的社会运动脉络接轨。而对于中国行动者来说,我们是否能找回曾经存在过的社会运动传统?那些断裂的经验,是否仍然可能被重新链接?作为白纸成长起来的一代人,如何重建一个理想的公民社会?
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时间轴:
01:19 改变夏巢川的一堂性别研究课程
02:58 2020年回国后看到的行动困境——“既要大声,也要小声”
06:03 白纸运动之后的创伤反应
09:24 2020年万圣节,贴满白纸走上街头,人们的反应
12:10 在海外观察到的社群生态
17:53 白纸两周年集会现场
21:18 邀请藏人和维吾尔人参加,“把舞台还给他们而不是汉人自己“
25:58 从藏人和维吾尔人社群学习到的运动经验
27:47 在习近平会出现的位置挂一个横幅
29:53 恐惧是伴随一生的创伤 “如果有什么东西让我们不恐惧,那是假话”
34:22 决定实名,代价是不能回国,但是”不恐惧的感受很重要“
36:22 对海外社群的反思,既被“泡泡圈”支持,又很想打破”泡泡圈“
43:28 “推动我做社会运动的不是快乐,而是很多痛苦”
46:24 什么才算行动?吃火锅、打毛线、放电影是行动吗?
49:20 藏人和维吾尔人对社会运动投入的承诺非常高
53:54 夏令营的合影环境,中国人总是退出
55:16 匿名对于往前一步是障碍吗?
57:52 “我不再想中国会不会改变,而是想社会运动如何延续”
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