January 24, 2014 • 19 mins
What was the most widespread infiltration of the US government? According to some sources, it came from within. Tune in to learn more about the story of Operation Snow White -- and why the Church of Scientology and the US government still don't agree on what actually happened.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody,
welcome back to the show. This is stuff they don't
want you to know. My name is Matt and I
(00:21):
am Ben and today we're covering something pretty great, something
that we were a little trepidatious about early on when
we were deciding to cover it, but we ended up
just just going out and doing it, and we even
made a vlog. We made a vlog basically prefacing that
(00:42):
it was gonna be dangerous for us to make this episode.
And so far, I mean, have you heard anything from
our ce A blog. Uh, we haven't heard anything from
the Church of Scientology themselves, but we have heard from
our audience, and you guys were saying, WTF, man, what
what's going on? Why aren't you talking more about Scientology?
(01:06):
We want to hear more about it, um, and we
might do that in the future, but we thought we
could spend some time today looking into operations snow white, right, yeah, exactly.
So this is kind of our little companion show with
our it's gonna match up with our video episode on
this subject. Um, so you know, maybe open a window
with both at the same time, so we can reference
(01:28):
the video and you can listen to the podcast. It's
gonna be this crazy experience for you. You're gonna love
it well. As we're getting to operations snow White, Matt,
if it's cool with you, I'd like to run through
a real quick timeline of Scientology in the history. Yeah, yeah,
super high level. Okay, So around eight or so, l
(01:49):
Ron Hubbard, who later goes on to found Scientology, writes
a manuscript called Excalibur, and according to most non scientilelogy sources,
so most people outside the church objectively looks at this. Yeah,
ex caliber has some of the seeds that later grow
into founding principles of Scientology. So nineteen forty nine, Uh,
(02:14):
he starts working on what will later become dionetics. He
publishes something they are called Terra Incognita the Mind. Uh.
He offers the findings, there's conclusions to the American Medical
Association American Psychiatric Association. They're not as jazzed about it
as he is. Uh. Nineteen fifty, of course, he publishes
(02:37):
his landmark dionetics, Modern Science, Mental Health, and this dionetics
idea takes off pretty well, right, So he starts the
Hubbard Dionetic Foundation of Wichita in the fifties, and then
in May of nineteen fifty two he publicly announces the
formal establishment of the philosophy of scientology. Uh and demonstrates
(03:02):
you know what would later become the famous E meter.
And now we have nineteen fifty four when the Church
of Science Pology is incorporated in California and Arizona. At
the time, the I r S grants at tax exemption
because as we know, religious organizations in the United States
(03:23):
are exempt from taxation. Yeah. Um, I would say there
are probably a good number of people that might have
a problem with that. Yeah, I'm one of them. Yeah,
I'm one of them too. Okay, Well, at least we're
being honest with everybody about it. Uh. So we could
spend a lot of time in the early history of scientology,
which you and I both find fascinating, which, by the way,
(03:46):
has nothing to do with the film The Master. You
should that should just be a caveat there. Yeah, that
is just a study of how manipulation occurs. That's right,
exactly by a guy that has no similarities whatsoever to
Mr l Around covered. A lot of people write science
fiction and go on to established religions. Yeah, so many, several.
(04:10):
Well the guy the Master for sure. Okay, so let's
go to the meat of the problem. Operation Snow White. Now,
Operations Snow White is a real thing that did happen,
according to the United States court system. And this was
really interested in our episode, right because, um, you saw
(04:33):
there's a Scientology Myths website run by pro Scientology group
and they say that this whole thing was kind of
exaggerated and blowing out of proportion, didn't actually happen. But
the nuts and bolts of it are this. Um, eleven
senior people in what was called the Guardian Office of
(04:56):
the Church were convicted of obstructing justice, so stopping an investigation,
burglarizing government offices, stealing documents and government property. And uh,
they were found guilty. They were convicted. There's no other
way around it, right, have yours in prison for those guys? So,
(05:18):
and is there only one woman? Was it just el
around Mary Mary Sue Hubbard? Yeah, or Mary Sue at least? Um,
but l Ron Hubbard himself was not convicted. Uh. The
Operation So White stands as the single largest proven infiltration
of the US government, right, Yeah, which and it is
(05:41):
referred to as the snow White program um internally in Scientology.
So if you ever hear that, that's the same thing
that we're talking about here. Yeah, that's a great point
because it comes down to and in a lot of ways,
both groups, both the US government and legal system of
the country and UH Scientology organization are putting their own
(06:04):
narrative on this, right. And so according to the Church
of Scientology, these people in the Guardians Office, we're acting
in their own accord. The idea of the snow White program,
as laid out by Hubbard was to correct misinformation, yes,
(06:25):
and to do it by legal means, at least that's
what he stated. Yeah, that's right, absolutely, because according to
the people who are more on the pro Scientology side
of this operation snow White, this idea of infiltrating the
US government UH to steal I r S forms among
other things, was total b s didn't exist mythological. But
(06:48):
the snow White program, which however talked about, was completely legal.
But um, the question here is was it really legally
correcting a number of here my air quotes here everybody
false governmental reports about the church, its leaders and its members,
(07:10):
or were they just reports that they didn't like, right,
And what was the level of persecution because the other
the other idea is that I feel like it's a
bit of an argument of semantics snow white program versus
operations snow white and uh, the accusation that critics of
the Church of Scientology purposefully misinformed people or spread disinformation
(07:36):
about this. Uh. The thing is that when Hubard wrote
the snow White Program, like, let's just say the Church
of Scientology's views on this are but for the sake
of argument, let's go with that. So we know that
he wrote it in nineteen seventy three um, and that
(07:57):
the Apollo, the ship that he was staying on, was
meeting hostility and European harbors because of the accusations against
the Church of Scientology by former members by governmental agencies
across US and Europe, or in the United States and Europe.
(08:20):
So this led to some crazy things happening. And there
might be a little bit to the idea of an
intentional um active persecution against the Church of Scientology because
this rumor started spreading um in nineteen seventy three uh,
that the Apollo was a c I a ship, that
(08:44):
it was somehow associated with the world's favorite clandestined services,
and the the inter spread. Well, it turns out that
a state department tell hex right, you heard about this
h State Department tal x was sent around in what
seventy two I believe, So, yeah, and you know, you
(09:04):
make waves when that kind of statement comes out literally
in the ocean, right, And so we we know that
there is some evidence that the State Department really did
uh have some sort of problem with Hubbard and was
sort of was using some slightly less than ethical means
(09:28):
to persecute the guy on his ORG vote. So one
of the things we didn't talk about too much are
the methods used by some of the people involved in
the Operation snow White, Like how did they actually get
these files? And there are a couple of different ways
that they did this. And I'm taking I'm getting this
(09:49):
information from an interview that was conducted with Mike mcclaufrey.
He was an os A officer, Okay, that's the Office
of Special Affairs, and he said they use a couple
of methods. One of them was this thing called a
Suitable Guys G U, I. S E. And this is
the idea that you just make letterhead perhaps of a
(10:11):
false company or a news agency, UM, and you send
a letter out to some other agencies, say the d
e A, and you ask for certain documents because you're
going to make a film. In particular, he talks about
how one of his people said they were going to
be making an anti scientology movie and could we please
(10:32):
get all of these files that you have on record
of them so that we can use it in our movie.
And that's one way they would do it. Another with
the way they would do it would would be to
literally break into a building like the what the heck
was it? Yeah, this is the d a's office for
that he's talking about in this interview, where he had
(10:53):
his right hand man go in and unlock the women's
bathroom window so that he could come in and use
a lock pit to get into the filing cabinet and
then copy all the files. I found that really interesting,
and I think that right there is where you start
getting into the illegal stuff, because it's not illegal to uh, well,
I don't know if it is illegal or not to
(11:14):
create a ruse to get some documents. Oh well, it
I think it becomes fraud at that point. It can
be because it's intentionally pretending or purporting to be someone different.
But those those are really good points. I guess you
could always say, uh, if if someone does try to
(11:37):
prosecute you for what, you could always say, your honor,
it was satirical satire. That's pretty great. One of the
things that we should say about the operations snow White
or excuse me, cough cough, the snow White program is
I'll go ahead and for in the sake of fairness,
read the official statement from Scientology myths. How about that
(11:59):
the snow White program is not being executed today. It
was a very specific program for a special state of
affairs at the time it was written. The Church of Scientology, however,
continues to use the Freedom of Information Act in similar
laws all over the world to defend its right of
non discrimination and freedom for all. So you know, that's
clearly a statement marketed towards the public. UM, and that's
(12:22):
their specific position. In the case of the United States
versus Hubbard, Uh, the legal system of the US did
find that there was an active conspiracy, and this has
been distressing the people. UM. One thing I wanted to
ask you about this, Matt, that we never really got
(12:43):
a chance to talk about as earlier we said this
was the largest proven infiltration of the United States. Do
you think that there could be another one? Oh? Yeah, dude,
scaring all that. Come on, man, that was huge infiltration
of the US. How much you have is there everywhere? Now?
We do know that there were communist forces in the
(13:05):
US at the time. I mean, McCarthy was crazy, but
he also had some good points there. So you think
that that you think then if there were a larger
infiltration of the government, that it would be from a
foreign power, like I think that's the more likely. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(13:27):
that's the most likely. Culprit Well, what do you think
about the idea that the largest infiltration of government is
by banking, as in a central bank that is in
no way affiliated with the US government, or as in
a private, private banking UH concern. You know, the idea
(13:47):
that one of the larger banks, like maybe JP Morgan
or something would be able to infiltrate the U S. Government.
And when we define infiltrate, we're saying by not necessarily
burglarized somebody's office so much as UH swayed the decisions
or write the laws. Were getting people who work for
them then to work for the government. You mean kind
(14:08):
of like a I don't know, sliding the what is
the phrase, the rotating sort of door that revolves the
revolving door, I mean, which is a real thing that exists.
And once you're done with Congress, you can go work
for uh any number of large banking institutions or uh,
you know, there's so many there's so many jobs you
(14:30):
can get after being a congressman or a senator. Yeah.
The job security post politics is pretty good as long
as you toe the party lines. And there are a
couple of things you can never go on record saying, right, Yeah,
And I wonder I don't have any statistics, but I
wonder if it works the other way around just as easily,
(14:50):
Like if you can go from private to political? Yeah,
why would you want to? I don't know, but I
guess to change the rules. It's a good question of rules. Yeah,
it's a good question. So we're that's speculation on our
part um. We're we're talking, you know. I like that
we both had two big guesses, right, And we received
(15:11):
some emails from some other people or YouTube comments, Facebook comments,
and stuff about the other infiltration possibilities, and they ran
the gamut. We had a couple of people that popped
up every time, you know, corporate infiltration popped up, the
idea of communist infiltration popped up in a few others.
(15:31):
But it made me think that we should really cover
infiltration in our show, on our video show, and that's
what we're doing. Um. But before we go out, Matt,
do you do you want to do some listener mail?
I do? All right. Here is some listener mail we
(15:55):
got from Tom n Ben. It says, dear, Dear, I
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(16:19):
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n Okay, Now I don't know several of these. I've
never even heard. The Highway ninety nine drill, I guess
that was a thing, or the by gong pipes. The
by goon pipes, I know, are a mysterious set of
artifacts that are going into that that extend from the
(16:42):
grounds there in China that are supposed to be they
it's hard. They can't figure out how they were made
at the time, I guess I think, yeah, they've got
a couple of questions. How were they made? Why were
they made? You know, were they vents for something underground?
And the areas that they lead to are too small
for a person, so is it an ancient It's probably
(17:04):
an ancient technology technology of some sort, but we're not
sure what now. As for the Great Tractor the anomaly,
that's something that you and I haven't explored any more
than the sing on Highway. But d MT by Friends. Oh, yes,
we have an episode just about d m T. Yeah,
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(17:26):
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From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody,
welcome back to the show. This is stuff they don't
want you to know. My name is Matt and I
(00:21):
am Ben and today we're covering something pretty great, something
that we were a little trepidatious about early on when
we were deciding to cover it, but we ended up
just just going out and doing it, and we even
made a vlog. We made a vlog basically prefacing that
(00:42):
it was gonna be dangerous for us to make this episode.
And so far, I mean, have you heard anything from
our ce A blog. Uh, we haven't heard anything from
the Church of Scientology themselves, but we have heard from
our audience, and you guys were saying, WTF, man, what
what's going on? Why aren't you talking more about Scientology?
(01:06):
We want to hear more about it, um, and we
might do that in the future, but we thought we
could spend some time today looking into operations snow white, right, yeah, exactly.
So this is kind of our little companion show with
our it's gonna match up with our video episode on
this subject. Um, so you know, maybe open a window
with both at the same time, so we can reference
(01:28):
the video and you can listen to the podcast. It's
gonna be this crazy experience for you. You're gonna love
it well. As we're getting to operations snow White, Matt,
if it's cool with you, I'd like to run through
a real quick timeline of Scientology in the history. Yeah, yeah,
super high level. Okay, So around eight or so, l
(01:49):
Ron Hubbard, who later goes on to found Scientology, writes
a manuscript called Excalibur, and according to most non scientilelogy sources,
so most people outside the church objectively looks at this. Yeah,
ex caliber has some of the seeds that later grow
into founding principles of Scientology. So nineteen forty nine, Uh,
(02:14):
he starts working on what will later become dionetics. He
publishes something they are called Terra Incognita the Mind. Uh.
He offers the findings, there's conclusions to the American Medical
Association American Psychiatric Association. They're not as jazzed about it
as he is. Uh. Nineteen fifty, of course, he publishes
(02:37):
his landmark dionetics, Modern Science, Mental Health, and this dionetics
idea takes off pretty well, right, So he starts the
Hubbard Dionetic Foundation of Wichita in the fifties, and then
in May of nineteen fifty two he publicly announces the
formal establishment of the philosophy of scientology. Uh and demonstrates
(03:02):
you know what would later become the famous E meter.
And now we have nineteen fifty four when the Church
of Science Pology is incorporated in California and Arizona. At
the time, the I r S grants at tax exemption
because as we know, religious organizations in the United States
(03:23):
are exempt from taxation. Yeah. Um, I would say there
are probably a good number of people that might have
a problem with that. Yeah, I'm one of them. Yeah,
I'm one of them too. Okay, Well, at least we're
being honest with everybody about it. Uh. So we could
spend a lot of time in the early history of scientology,
which you and I both find fascinating, which, by the way,
(03:46):
has nothing to do with the film The Master. You
should that should just be a caveat there. Yeah, that
is just a study of how manipulation occurs. That's right,
exactly by a guy that has no similarities whatsoever to
Mr l Around covered. A lot of people write science
fiction and go on to established religions. Yeah, so many, several.
(04:10):
Well the guy the Master for sure. Okay, so let's
go to the meat of the problem. Operation Snow White. Now,
Operations Snow White is a real thing that did happen,
according to the United States court system. And this was
really interested in our episode, right because, um, you saw
(04:33):
there's a Scientology Myths website run by pro Scientology group
and they say that this whole thing was kind of
exaggerated and blowing out of proportion, didn't actually happen. But
the nuts and bolts of it are this. Um, eleven
senior people in what was called the Guardian Office of
(04:56):
the Church were convicted of obstructing justice, so stopping an investigation,
burglarizing government offices, stealing documents and government property. And uh,
they were found guilty. They were convicted. There's no other
way around it, right, have yours in prison for those guys? So,
(05:18):
and is there only one woman? Was it just el
around Mary Mary Sue Hubbard? Yeah, or Mary Sue at least? Um,
but l Ron Hubbard himself was not convicted. Uh. The
Operation So White stands as the single largest proven infiltration
of the US government, right, Yeah, which and it is
(05:41):
referred to as the snow White program um internally in Scientology.
So if you ever hear that, that's the same thing
that we're talking about here. Yeah, that's a great point
because it comes down to and in a lot of ways,
both groups, both the US government and legal system of
the country and UH Scientology organization are putting their own
(06:04):
narrative on this, right. And so according to the Church
of Scientology, these people in the Guardians Office, we're acting
in their own accord. The idea of the snow White program,
as laid out by Hubbard was to correct misinformation, yes,
(06:25):
and to do it by legal means, at least that's
what he stated. Yeah, that's right, absolutely, because according to
the people who are more on the pro Scientology side
of this operation snow White, this idea of infiltrating the
US government UH to steal I r S forms among
other things, was total b s didn't exist mythological. But
(06:48):
the snow White program, which however talked about, was completely legal.
But um, the question here is was it really legally
correcting a number of here my air quotes here everybody
false governmental reports about the church, its leaders and its members,
(07:10):
or were they just reports that they didn't like, right,
And what was the level of persecution because the other
the other idea is that I feel like it's a
bit of an argument of semantics snow white program versus
operations snow white and uh, the accusation that critics of
the Church of Scientology purposefully misinformed people or spread disinformation
(07:36):
about this. Uh. The thing is that when Hubard wrote
the snow White Program, like, let's just say the Church
of Scientology's views on this are but for the sake
of argument, let's go with that. So we know that
he wrote it in nineteen seventy three um, and that
(07:57):
the Apollo, the ship that he was staying on, was
meeting hostility and European harbors because of the accusations against
the Church of Scientology by former members by governmental agencies
across US and Europe, or in the United States and Europe.
(08:20):
So this led to some crazy things happening. And there
might be a little bit to the idea of an
intentional um active persecution against the Church of Scientology because
this rumor started spreading um in nineteen seventy three uh,
that the Apollo was a c I a ship, that
(08:44):
it was somehow associated with the world's favorite clandestined services,
and the the inter spread. Well, it turns out that
a state department tell hex right, you heard about this
h State Department tal x was sent around in what
seventy two I believe, So, yeah, and you know, you
(09:04):
make waves when that kind of statement comes out literally
in the ocean, right, And so we we know that
there is some evidence that the State Department really did
uh have some sort of problem with Hubbard and was
sort of was using some slightly less than ethical means
(09:28):
to persecute the guy on his ORG vote. So one
of the things we didn't talk about too much are
the methods used by some of the people involved in
the Operation snow White, Like how did they actually get
these files? And there are a couple of different ways
that they did this. And I'm taking I'm getting this
(09:49):
information from an interview that was conducted with Mike mcclaufrey.
He was an os A officer, Okay, that's the Office
of Special Affairs, and he said they use a couple
of methods. One of them was this thing called a
Suitable Guys G U, I. S E. And this is
the idea that you just make letterhead perhaps of a
(10:11):
false company or a news agency, UM, and you send
a letter out to some other agencies, say the d
e A, and you ask for certain documents because you're
going to make a film. In particular, he talks about
how one of his people said they were going to
be making an anti scientology movie and could we please
(10:32):
get all of these files that you have on record
of them so that we can use it in our movie.
And that's one way they would do it. Another with
the way they would do it would would be to
literally break into a building like the what the heck
was it? Yeah, this is the d a's office for
that he's talking about in this interview, where he had
(10:53):
his right hand man go in and unlock the women's
bathroom window so that he could come in and use
a lock pit to get into the filing cabinet and
then copy all the files. I found that really interesting,
and I think that right there is where you start
getting into the illegal stuff, because it's not illegal to uh, well,
I don't know if it is illegal or not to
(11:14):
create a ruse to get some documents. Oh well, it
I think it becomes fraud at that point. It can
be because it's intentionally pretending or purporting to be someone different.
But those those are really good points. I guess you
could always say, uh, if if someone does try to
(11:37):
prosecute you for what, you could always say, your honor,
it was satirical satire. That's pretty great. One of the
things that we should say about the operations snow White
or excuse me, cough cough, the snow White program is
I'll go ahead and for in the sake of fairness,
read the official statement from Scientology myths. How about that
(11:59):
the snow White program is not being executed today. It
was a very specific program for a special state of
affairs at the time it was written. The Church of Scientology, however,
continues to use the Freedom of Information Act in similar
laws all over the world to defend its right of
non discrimination and freedom for all. So you know, that's
clearly a statement marketed towards the public. UM, and that's
(12:22):
their specific position. In the case of the United States
versus Hubbard, Uh, the legal system of the US did
find that there was an active conspiracy, and this has
been distressing the people. UM. One thing I wanted to
ask you about this, Matt, that we never really got
(12:43):
a chance to talk about as earlier we said this
was the largest proven infiltration of the United States. Do
you think that there could be another one? Oh? Yeah, dude,
scaring all that. Come on, man, that was huge infiltration
of the US. How much you have is there everywhere? Now?
We do know that there were communist forces in the
(13:05):
US at the time. I mean, McCarthy was crazy, but
he also had some good points there. So you think
that that you think then if there were a larger
infiltration of the government, that it would be from a
foreign power, like I think that's the more likely. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(13:27):
that's the most likely. Culprit Well, what do you think
about the idea that the largest infiltration of government is
by banking, as in a central bank that is in
no way affiliated with the US government, or as in
a private, private banking UH concern. You know, the idea
(13:47):
that one of the larger banks, like maybe JP Morgan
or something would be able to infiltrate the U S. Government.
And when we define infiltrate, we're saying by not necessarily
burglarized somebody's office so much as UH swayed the decisions
or write the laws. Were getting people who work for
them then to work for the government. You mean kind
(14:08):
of like a I don't know, sliding the what is
the phrase, the rotating sort of door that revolves the
revolving door, I mean, which is a real thing that exists.
And once you're done with Congress, you can go work
for uh any number of large banking institutions or uh,
you know, there's so many there's so many jobs you
(14:30):
can get after being a congressman or a senator. Yeah.
The job security post politics is pretty good as long
as you toe the party lines. And there are a
couple of things you can never go on record saying, right, Yeah,
And I wonder I don't have any statistics, but I
wonder if it works the other way around just as easily,
(14:50):
Like if you can go from private to political? Yeah,
why would you want to? I don't know, but I
guess to change the rules. It's a good question of rules. Yeah,
it's a good question. So we're that's speculation on our
part um. We're we're talking, you know. I like that
we both had two big guesses, right, And we received
(15:11):
some emails from some other people or YouTube comments, Facebook comments,
and stuff about the other infiltration possibilities, and they ran
the gamut. We had a couple of people that popped
up every time, you know, corporate infiltration popped up, the
idea of communist infiltration popped up in a few others.
(15:31):
But it made me think that we should really cover
infiltration in our show, on our video show, and that's
what we're doing. Um. But before we go out, Matt,
do you do you want to do some listener mail?
I do? All right. Here is some listener mail we
(15:55):
got from Tom n Ben. It says, dear, Dear, I
guess suff they don't want you to know. Long time subscriber,
first time writer. Have you guys ever delved into any
of these mysterious object blocking the Highway ninety nine drill,
the by gong pipes okay, the Great Attractor or gravitational anomaly,
(16:19):
and also d MT and mother beings. Loyal fan Tom
n Okay, Now I don't know several of these. I've
never even heard. The Highway ninety nine drill, I guess
that was a thing, or the by gong pipes. The
by goon pipes, I know, are a mysterious set of
artifacts that are going into that that extend from the
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grounds there in China that are supposed to be they
it's hard. They can't figure out how they were made
at the time, I guess I think, yeah, they've got
a couple of questions. How were they made? Why were
they made? You know, were they vents for something underground?
And the areas that they lead to are too small
for a person, so is it an ancient It's probably
(17:04):
an ancient technology technology of some sort, but we're not
sure what now. As for the Great Tractor the anomaly,
that's something that you and I haven't explored any more
than the sing on Highway. But d MT by Friends. Oh, yes,
we have an episode just about d m T. Yeah,
and it's actually coming out. I'm not exactly sure when
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this publishes, but it's gonna be out hopefully by the
time you uh eisode. It will be on our channel
on YouTube dot com slash Conspiracy Stuff, and also on
iTunes yep, and we're also on Facebook and Twitter as
conspiracy Stuff. We need to ask for help from you. Now.
We're just getting started with this show. We're trying out
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a couple of different things. You know, we've had shorter episodes,
longer episodes stuff like that. If you are listening to
this via iTunes, why didn't do us a solid make
our year for us and go to iTunes and just
give us, give us a nice rating. There be be charitable.
It'll be your good deed, and you know, just give
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us four or five stars or whatever. And then later
when someone says, hey, uh, canna borrow some money, or hey,
will you give me your car or whatever, you can say,
no can do, Jose Conseco, I already did my good
deed for the day. Sorry, don't you know what to say?
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I don't know. I don't know. All right, So we're
gonna get out of here. Thank you guys so much
for checking out the show. Uh, please do send us
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