May 20, 2016 • 41 mins
Look -- up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a ...chemtrail? You've probably heard of these allegedly poisonous strips of stuff streaking across the sky, but what are they, exactly? Tune in to learn more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
(00:21):
is Noel, and I am Ben. You are you that
makes this stuff they don't want you to know? And
that is right, ladies and gentlemen. Today we are finally
taking a closer look at a phenomenon that you asked
about and asked about on YouTube, asked about on Facebook,
asked about on Twitter, asked about on UH in person encounters,
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yes they happen, and asked us about on email. The
phenomenon known as ken trails. So let's tackle some definitions
and some background first. So the first thing is you
have probably seen what is purported to be a chem
try all before. If you just look up in the
sky wherever you live, doesn't matter how rural or metropolitan
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it is, you have seen as a jet or a
plane has passed over, you see a trail that you
can see. It's it's usually white or grayish um. It's
believed by some to consist of some kind of chemical
or biological agents that are not just vapor. They are.
It's something that's being sprayed there on purpose, and it's
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a part of a covert operation done by some let's
say government agency. So the definition there of a chem trail,
kim trail is what's called a portmanteau. That's our word
of the day. If we get a sound effect for that,
what do you think? No one is that worthy have
a sound effect? Okay, fair enough. A portmanteau is when
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two unrelated words are smushed together to make one word.
A chem trail is a portmanteau in English, and it
means it's it's short for chemical trail, a visible trail
left in the sky by an aircraft and believed, as
you said, Mett by some to consist of chemical or
biological agents released as part of a covert operation. According
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to the true believers, kim trails contain some extra things.
Let in water vapor, right, They contain things like barium
or nano aluminum coated fiberglass with another cool nickname chaff.
But that's not all, as Billy Mays was wont to say.
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But wait, there's more. I love that chaff is one
of the things that's I don't know if you guys
learned about this in flight simulator video games. Maybe I'm
the only one chaff. We're hearing about World War two
fire fighter pilots that would release the stuff. I thought
the chaff was the part of the weight that you
didn't want. Yeah, it's like that. Yeah, it's the same thing.
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It's a way to prevent heat seeking missiles and other
things to uh, well you want that, yeah you want
you don't, Yeah, you know one other you know, and
missiles seeking your heat? No, absolutely not, all right, I'm sorry.
Well we'll get back in here. What else do we have?
We have radioactive thorium, something that we've talked about before
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on this show, cadmium, chromium, lots of different chemicals here,
nickel um, It could even be desiccated blood, polymer fibers,
one of my favorites, to say, yellow fungal micro toxins. Yeah,
that's so you. You love to saying that you And
also ethylene dibromide, of course, a classic for the fans
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out there. Even mold spores, even mold spores, all kinds
of stuff and nasty stuff, right, all chem trails. According
to people who believe the chem trails are currently over
the sky under which you reside. All chem trails are
not the same. They may be made for different reasons.
They might uh, they might be made as a way
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to assist in radar readings from high above the earth,
or to prevent them sometimes use this cover. I mean,
there are so many varying theories surrounding this thing, right,
or mass vaccinations, which is interesting that ties into claims
about fluoride and water or other chemicals in water, and
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also maybe more directly with the fluoride argument, poisoning the
mind or hindering the mental functions of the public. But
that's that's the chem trail. That's what we're talking about. Now,
what's the thing that actually exists so for for really
really real life. Um, these contrail which stands for a
condensation trail. Another portmanteau. If you will, are you doing it?
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Are you still not going to do? Thank you? Thank you? Okay? Um?
That was the sound effect. It was the sound of silence.
And and some of these contrails they can contain stuff
that you don't want. There's not out about that. You know,
the water obviously primary ingredient, but they can also contain
carbon dioxide, water, vapor and nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, methane, sulfates,
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that kind of thing, and soots and even metal particles. Right, Yeah,
because this condensation trail is a uh it's a stream
of condensed water from an aircraft or rocket at high altitude.
That's what you see if you look up in the
sky and you see those straight lines drawn and as
as you pointed out, all there are differing things in there.
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It's water, plus it's going to contain some byproducts of
the fuel of you know, the things that make the
plane go. It's coming out of the butt of a jet. Absolutely. So,
I mean you could say that you don't have to
look into you know, deep conspiracy theories to say that
maybe there's some stuff in these trails that we don't want.
But obviously it gets deeper and weirder. Oh yes, So
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when did this become a big deal. There were rumors
in the nineteen nineties that were spreading all across the
internet as it was budding, and uh, there were conversations
just people talking in the streets about this stuff. As
they're looking up and seeing more and more. You're also
seeing more and more air travel. There are more planes
in the sky and more jets, more of these things
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to see and go, wow, why there are a lot
of those, um and there's so many photographs. Right, we've
all seen them, lads and gentlemen. Is it me? Or
do they do? You tend to see them more often
on smaller planes than you would, like a giant commercial
jet liner. I feel like when I see them, it's
usually behind a smaller plane, like a propel like a
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prop plane, a prop plane. Oh well, some of those
maybe purposefully leaving that because there are skywriters, yeah, and
there are they're also crop dusters. The contrail stuff or
the chem trail stuff is high in the atmosphere where
normally only a jet could go. I guess what I'm
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saying is I haven't seen a ton of these. When
I've seen them, it's been on these smaller planes because
you're not looking. I'm not. You're right, and one day
piano is gonna fall on my head or an hand bill.
Oh no, it's gonna happen, man, It just a matter
of time. I'm treading water here. We'll see if that
medium was right. So the nineties right, right, exactly? Nail
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on the head in nine or should I say vapor
on the plane. In people began accusing the US Air
Force of springing chemicals over large swaths of land and
in the United States. And a lot of these original
claims come from citations found in a paper that was
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written for the Air University and it was called Weather
as a Force Multiplier Owning the Weather in twenty five
And this is publicly available, this is non classified. We
will put up a link on our social media quick
plug conspiracy stuff at Facebook and Twitter. You can also
find it by searching f A s dot org and
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then a couple of keywords there force multiplier maybe whether
yeah please? Uh? Do also like or follow our Twitter
and Facebook feeds because he gets this one step further
away from being fired. And if you get enough force
multipliers you can unlock new achievements. That's true. A force multiplier,
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in both video games and in depart d D Department
of Defense parlance, is something that accelerates or um, what's
a better word to say it? Uh in Biggins, your
your ability to make an impact overall to project force. So,
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as we said, this paper is publicly available, it's not
classified at this point. It doesn't represent any current or
past policy. I hope you can hear my disclaimer voice
when I say that. However, this paper, this paper Weather
as a Force Multiplier, owning the weather in was a
response to a genuine military directive to evaluate and propose
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a plan for air dominance in specifically with regard to
weather modification systems. And what's fascinating about that is, although
you won't hear it reported very often, it's referred to
as an historical footnote. The US, the West, the East,
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the world at large, all of the international powers have
to some degree dabbled in or been made aware of
other countries dabbling in weather modification cloud seating, every everyone
from China to Russia to the US. Yeah, they've all
been attempting different ways, and usually it has to do
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with spring stuff into the sky that's going to at
least increase the possibility of precipitation in an area, right,
like cloud seating. It's exactly like cloud seating, but it's
been used for fascinating ways. In the Olympics. Maybe I
don't remember if it was so key it was the
two thousand and eight Olympics in Beijing. Yeah, yes, exactly
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where they were going to cloud seed around the areas
where the Olympics were going to be held, so that
it would rain over there and not where the Olympics
were being held. I can cannot remember the specifics, however
I do remember that technology. It was silver iodied, Yes,
silver iodied, which apparently does have a measurable effect. However,
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the problem is that this is not a controllable effect,
as we will find. So, so the the US forces
have this paper that is public, non classified. It takes off.
The Internet has learned how to communicate or misinform itself,
and the story takes off like wildfire, like hot cakes.
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Can we talk at a minute about how viable this US,
this Air Force plan seems. Now, doesn't that seem a
little crack potty to you? Well, these you gotta think big, right,
I mean, we live in a country thought the guy
that came up with this got a pat on the
back or our demotion. I think maybe they were just
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trying to get through Air University, or maybe maybe they
went on to DARPA. So it's yeah, it's very possible
they're at least forward thinking. We must never forget that
we live in the same country which decided this is
so embarrassing. International listeners we are not representatives of this
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land in any official capacity. However, we will tell you
we live in a country that spent serious money trying
to figure out whether there was a bomb that could
make people gay. That is another speaking of crackpot ideas.
That is the world in which we live. And let's
not even get start trying to take the temperature of
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on the waste. Let's like if you get started on
the ways people tried to kill Castro. Right, So observers
and people were watching this guy and saying, is that
just a contrail from a jet or is it ellipses?
Something else began believing they possessed the ability to differentiate
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between a contrail and to kim trail, and there were
some primary differences. One of the big differences was that
kim trails allegedly stayed in the air much longer in
that stripe pattern, right, that single stripe did not dissipate
the way the water vapor would and contrails, according to
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this argument, anticipate in a matter of minutes. Another difference
would be the existence of what's known as kim trail
flew Smorgess board of flu like symptoms that believers argue
as a result of exposure to these substances from the sky.
We have a tangent for you. Well, the tangent is,
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why are we talking about this now? In talking about
chim trails. They got big twenty years ago. And here's
the thing. There are still there are people out there
who truly believe this, and and we're we're not trying
to trample on your beliefs. We're just pointing out that
it became big again in two thousand and ten, I believe,
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is when What in the World Are They Spraying? Came out,
which was a documentary and I remember hearing a lot
about it at that time. We made a video about
it a long time ago, and it's cropping up again
in popular culture, the idea of chim trails, and that
is because of the death of a beloved artist named
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Prince That's true. So Prince Um, you know, throughout his life,
I think more so later in his life, became somewhat
of a we'll call it a conspiracy theorist, and he
talked pretty openly about the stuff and actually wrote songs
about it. Um Kim Trails specifically, he's actually written Um
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lyrics referring to Kim trails in addition to other you know,
conspiracy type phenomena. Um. And when he didn't interview with
Tavis Smiling on PBS in two thousand nine, Um, he
kind of launched into a bit of a diet tribe
about Kim trails, in which he said, quote, you know,
when I was a kid, I used to see these
trails in the sky all the time. A jet just
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went over, and then you started to see a whole
bunch of them. Next thing, you know, everybody in your
neighborhood was fighting and arguing and you didn't know why.
So back to the Kim trail flew Prince early on
in this leading up to his his death. Um, you know,
had that said he had the flu. He canceled a
concert right here in Atlanta, actually at the Fox Theater
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because he cleaned they had the flu, and then did
the concert again. Um, and talked about at the concert
saying I was a bit at the weather. Things like
that the plane that he was on on the way
back to m Paisley Park in Minnesota had to make
an emergency landing because he's supposedly these flu like symptoms returned. Um.
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There are those on the internet that believe that his
dialogue is his you know, speaking out about the Kim
trail phenomenon could possibly have led to him being snuffed
out by the powers that be. So that's one popular
culture thing that's kind of brought this back into discussion.
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Another is, uh two celebrities actually another one who passed
away recently, Merle Haggard, the country singer. He had a
song um again later in his career called Things I
Hate or what I Hate, And there's a lyric and
it says, what I hate is looking up and seeing
Kim Trail is in the clear blue sky today. And
Chuck Norris actually wrote an op ed on w n
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D dot com called Sky Criminals in which he examines quote,
geo engineering in the skies above us, and he, you know,
goes into pretty great detail about the chemical makeup of
these chem trails and how people are having the you know,
will pulled over their eyes about the phenomenon the sky Criminals,
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by the sky criminals. I mean, if Chuck Norris is
on the case, we have nothing to fear. Guys. He
just you know, one kick and he's taken care of.
And this is how he describes it, Chim Trails kim trailing,
as the article refers to. It is quote the public's
term for the classified an ongoing artificial modification of Earth's
climate systems using reflective nano materials aerosols to reflect sunlight.
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The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand
into reflective artificial clouds. And that's actually interesting because that
is a little more in line with the Air Force
paper that you're talking about. It's yeah, interesting is definitely
where this goes beyond just a pop culture thing though.
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We what we see is that if this begins to
be UM an idea believed in by a mass swell
of people, and if we see celebrities or if we
see notable experts arguing for this, then of course against
the attention of the world, which is why the government
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has to respond. The US address these concerns as those
concerns grew, and they provided something you can read online
right now, the Contrail fact sheet. UH. This was by
the Air Force. There's more studies from NASA and independent
scientists also investigated this phenomenon for our purposes, especially if
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you UH, if you're a person who believes or as
evidence of UH chem trails interfering. Of course, it's difficult
to believe the arguments of any US state sponsored entities,
So the independent scientists or where you would want to
go to try to find the most objective look at
the truth. The vast majority concluded that the concept of
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purposefully spraying chemicals over such a large distance it's possible,
but the problem is that it would not effectively achieve
the results people feared Uncle Sam and other governments were chasing.
Side note, you can also find a handy dandy contrail guide,
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because not all contrails are created the same, and the
results you're talking about are manipulation of weather systems right
or obstucation as Matt said, of radar detection or enhancement thereof,
or just providing artificial cloud UH artificial high atmosphere coverage
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to interfere with foreign satellites. Foreign sate satellites are one
of the few things about that that other governments are
still trying to figure out how to um how to
mitigate the influence of or hinder the effectiveness of. So,
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for instance, one thing to happen with Project Corona in
what the sixties seventies UH. Project Corona was one of
the first satellite observation operations in the US, and it
was so we I think we we've done some shows
about it. It It was so low tech at the time.
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The satellites would take pictures, literal photographs, and then physically
dump the film, the negatives and cartridges, and someone would
just have to go catch him and develop it and say, oh,
that's what's happening, and now to say v D two, yeah,
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nine seventy two. So it had some legs and went
on for a while. So despite the government's efforts to
say that we're not in any way obstucating satellite reads,
we're not poisoning people, were not, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, all
this has done very little to stem the swell of
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Kim trail conspiracies. You can find YouTube videos, you can
find arguments that Kim trails are indeed ruining the world
as we know it. And that makes us look, perhaps
as you are looking up now, listener, as as we
talk about the sky, perhaps you're tilting your head up
to look. We don't know if it's day, we don't
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know if it's night, but there is a there is
a fair chance that you're looking up and you're seeing
some clouds and you're starting to look at them differently
as you hear this. So while you were gazing up,
if not now the next time, the do, Let's talk
a little bit about spray in the sky. What what
are the facts about the sky? Well, first, there's one
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inescapable facts here. The air is pretty filthy in a
lot of places, so was the water. Contaminated soil is everywhere.
The odds of being exposed to some sort of pesticide
or contaminant, they are a lot higher than you might think.
The US uses over a billion pounds of pesticides each year,
and a lot of that gets sprayed. So of course
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that spraying isn't quite the same as this high powered jet. Uh,
the idea of a high powered jet flying above the
earth far enough to far enough to treat to create
a contrailer, chimp trail, what have you? Um? Second, the
differences in air quality around the country, the variations and
maybe your country as well. Um, they're very very very different,
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wide range of air qualities, mountains, coasts, time of year,
depending on what kind of area you live in, whether
it's urban, how much manufacturing there is, all of these
factors are important, and they can hugely affect the quality
of the air that you breathe for sure. Yeah, so
we you know, that's why there are small alerts in
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some cities more often than in others. That's that's a
pretty basic thing we can all agree upon. But there's
a third fact and this is the disturbing one. While
Kim trail believers may not be completely correct, and all
of the claims right there are because there are a
wealth of claims that are ranged from disturbing ly plausible
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two maybe possible to what yeah, and and they stack
in varying ways sometimes, so you'll have you'll have an
extremely plausible claim right next to something that is the
huh um. So you have to really watch out. So
one caveat here is that several things presented as evidence
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simply do not measure up, such as the infamous lithium
call with a NASA employee, which you can read about
right now on snopes dot com, where in uh wherein
some people claim that they had a confession that the
US that Uncle Sam was spreading lithium around the population,
just spraying it into the air and saying, I don't
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know whatever, Yeah, and the thing to realize that these ideas,
especially if you're a person who thinks you are skeptic
or a person who thinks you have arrived at the
inescapable truth about chem trails and you feel like no
one is listening to you. There there's something that both
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sides must admit that these ideas are not some kind
of malarky or nonsense coming out of nowhere, nor the
attempts for someone to be the discoverer of a hidden
truth which the Internet loves. Uh, nor they all a
bunch of people trolling in some crappy joe. Okay, But then,
as you know, there is a reason for all this.
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More than a reason. There's actually precedent, and we'll get
to that when we come right back from a quick break.
Here's where it gets crazy. The US really did poison
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human civilian populations with mass spraying with chemicals. We can't
emphasize this enough, folks, So let's try again. Something like
kim trails was real, proven And this is not some
archaic future plan written by Chris Carter, the inventor of
X files, or one of those military madmen proposed it
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and came scary close kind of things. Uh. This actually
happened multiple times over the course of the nineteen fifties
and the sixties. The you S government dusted American cities,
maybe one in which you lived today, if you were
a US citizen with something called sinc cadmium sulfide. Yeah,
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this is a part of an operation. It was Operation
l a C or Large Area Coverage, and it started
in nineteen fifty seven. However, that wasn't the first time
they did it. There were earlier experiments. Back in September
of nineteen fifty the US played some war games in California.
They had six simulated attacks there. They were conducted in
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the Bay Area. They wanted to evaluate the feasibility of
launching biological aerosol agents from off shore. So attacking the
US with biological agents, what would that look like? Would
it work exactly? And over the course of March and
April in nineteen fifty two, the US conducted multiple trials,
five trials off the coast of South Carolina and to
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our unending discomfort, Georgia, in a project called Operation Do
Right Yes Great Point d e w uh. And the
idea here was the one to see if they could
prove that long range aerosol clouds could obtain hundreds of
miles of travel and cover a large area when they
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were launched from ground level, and they wanted to see
how the weather would affect that, and this project was
rated successful. Got another example before Operation l a C
even really begins in nineteen fifty seven, an operation on
the North Sea, which is um the east coast of Britain,
showed that large area coverage with particles was possible under
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most weather conditions. And the inaugural event for Operation l
a C is the same year, seven December two, the
US takes uh An Air an airplane called a flying
box car that's a C one nineteen that was loaned
from the Air Force to the military from South Dakota
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to Minnesota, and they wanted to trace the spread of
particles as verified from stations on the ground. So, yeah,
testing to see what can we know if this is occurring?
What do we see from the ground level, right, and
there's a you know, there's a defensible position there too.
What if a for an agent or domestic domestic criminal
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attempts to poison entire city? How far would they get?
The particles they used were fluorescence was easy to track them.
But what did they find, Well, they found some disturbing stuff. Man.
They drifted over a thousand miles away, all the way
north into Canada. The particles, the part of yeah, the
particles that were being sprayed from this C one nine team,
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the zinc cadmium sulf exactly and in a normal flight
released about five thousand pounds of this stuff. You can
learn more about this in a book called The Eleventh Plague.
But this one, you know, this one and year old
flight wouldn't be such a big deal if they hadn't
also tested similar things in Texas, the San Francisco Bay
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area and St. Louis. Can we talk a little bit
about St. Louis. According to professor Lisa Martino Taylor, St
Louis got an upgrade. Um, there's zinc cadmium self. I
had contained radioactive particles. Oh boy. Yes. Specifically, the radioactive
compound was something known as radium two to six, manufactured
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by a company called in Burst of Creativity US Radium.
The Army called this substance FP twenty two sixty six.
So then in Corpus Christie, the chemical was dropped from
airplanes over large areas of the city Um and St. Louis.
The Army put chemical sprayers on buildings, schools, public housing
projects and mounted them in station wagons for mobile use.
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And a little note here, the majority of the spring
that was occurring there in St. Louis, it was done
in low income minority areas, right, including the infamous prow
Ingo Complex. Uh this Professor Martino Taylor argues that over
seventy of the residents of the complex were children under
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the age of twelve at the time. So that's that's
the thing, that's the disturbing. Here's where it gets crazy. Thing.
There are a lot of people who like to say, oh,
Kim Trail enthusiast or Kim Trail believers, because they don't
believe enthusiasts is the correct word. Are ignoring science, are
just becoming hysterical over something. Yet there is proven precedent
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this stuff happened. The US government purposefully, purposefully experimented on
people without their consent, without their knowledge. We have an
episode on human Experimentation that examined some other examples of this.
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We do mention the St. Louis event. Yeah, so where
does that leave us? Though? Guys? The idea that there
would be contrails actually just jet exhaust the lack of
better word, a jet bride product versus chem trails. Do
we have any like pros and cons or what? What
do you guys think? So, okay, I would say the
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big problem is if you go online right now search
cam trails, you're gonna see a ton of videos that
I would say, I would I think objectively those are contrails,
and the person thinks they're chem trails. Um, it's usually
in a fairly occupied area metropolitan area, and it's just
you see where jets travel, and there's probably an airport
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that goes, you know, connects up to another airport near there.
I can objectively say that it's a person who believes
it's the chem trail, but I think it's a contrail.
But when you bring in this history of testing, and
let's say even the need for the air force or
the military to test some of these things, uh to
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understand their own readiness for a foreign attacker or even
a domestic terrorist or something like that, you okay, you
try and balance these two things. There's obviously, in my opinion,
not as many chem trails as some people would believe.
But I do not think it's a completely made up thing. Whatsoever,
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I believe that there. I think there are some things
that are being tested, probably even now today. I suppoish
the government would make it easier for us and make
them like green or orange or something, you know, like
that Zeen and Batman. So you just know unequivocally, Okay,
that's a bad one. Stay away from that. Well, we
do know that classified experiments are conducted in near space,
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in outer space, and in the upper reaches of the atmosphere,
and have been for some time. However, the motivation of
poisoning controlling the public is is a con to me
because there's not an effective way to control a dose, right.
And another con would be the old Nimby argument. Nimbia
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is an acronym that means not in my backyard. So
let us suppose that there is some sort of elite
or some factions, some inner cabal that would say, hey,
you know, it's a great idea, let's dose everyone with lithium. Well,
guess what, buddy, you're everyone. You you're not wealthy enough
to buy your own sky. It's one of the it's
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one of the last things that will remain for the people, right,
even you know what. I hope that's correct. But then
there's there's a pro. And the big pro to your point, Matt,
is that this technology is already available. The argument is
over the motive and whether it would be effective, like
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to what ends, you know what I mean. I think
it's definitely more in the testing kind of thing, the
testing for military capability and prevention of attack. That's my
personal thought because it makes sense to me. But it's
just like cloud seating. It would be impossible to control
with the precision needed until it's not until it's not right.
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There only level three sky room. They're trying to level up,
unlock them achievements. Son, No, I mean, I guess say
what Matt's saying entirely. I mean, you're even if something
you know, as I said at the top of the show,
seems very pun intended Pie in the sky A no, brown,
ladies and gentlemen, is that you're never gonna actually further
your understanding of it unless you try it a whole
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bunch and you know, try out different variables. Who knows,
maybe in twenty thirty years the government will be able
to control the weather. I don't know. You just got
to have a large enough black budget to pump funds
for teams to continually you know, hit their head against
the walls. We see, yeah, right now. I love that.
You say, maybe it'll be feasible to control the weather,
right or maybe even feasible to control a large population
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or area. One thing we didn't mention was the concept
that this is being used to to that point earlier,
to geoengineer crops or something. Maybe they'll be able to
control it. Maybe someone will, But the problem is right now,
the best any publicly known UM, any publicly known institution,
(34:19):
whether private or state sponsor, can do is to influence
things very much like again observation we've used or comparison
we've used on the show before, very much like Mickey
Malice as the Wizard in Fantasia makes a broom, tries
to destroy the broom, and all of a sudden there
are a million frigging brooms. This is not you know,
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this is not a situation wherein there is a precision.
So well, it goes by something that our buddy Jonathan
Strickland I have just talked about several times UM in
his opinion and you know, based on a lot of
sciencests out there in order to legitimately influence the weather
or control it in any kind of way that could
reasonably be considered predictable or control, you would have to
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pop so much energy into that system to the point
where it would just be a wash. I mean, it
wouldn't be effication, yeah at all. So what do you think,
ladies and gentlemen. This is our quick and dirty intro
to chim trails. And even now, like a contrail, it
may be beginning to dissipate from your mind. Or perhaps
(35:25):
this episode will be a chem trail, or the lithium
might just be kicking in, or the lithium might just
be kicking in, And maybe this will stay with you,
maybe you will look at the sky differently, but when
you look back down, we want to hear from you.
Let us know your experiences. Do you feel that you
have seen a chem trail? Do you feel that chim
trails are bunk? Do you feel that you have experience
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the influence of this thing? If you if you believe
in this phenomenon, and if you have any evidence, Let's
say you shot some video or some photos. Hey, why
not send it over before you fly a plane? Oh yeah,
kim trails maybe you worked on one of the operations
and you want to anonymously send us something. Huh, yeah,
we should really get a snapchat. Or maybe you just
(36:12):
want us to, you know, wish your loved one happy birthday.
We can do all of those things on shut up corners.
Today's first shout out goes to Maurice from Delaware. Hey,
I'm Maurice. Shout out to Maurice, and I'm in Delaware.
It's not gonna work. I don't think you know everyone.
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You know what, No people did get it. We did
see Wayne's World when it came out in the nineties.
I thought it was good. I think that's part of
the reason Maurice writes him. What's he saying, Well, Maurice's
in addition to groaning and rolling his eyes at my
constant Delaware joke, I'm sure there's lots going on. And
it's a good joke. That's not even my joke. It's
a good reference. That's better. That's it is a good reference.
(37:00):
So Maurice says that there are two main reasons that
big businesses use Delaware as headquarters. Okay, this is also
about something not a joke, but that pertains Dela really,
we've talked about um number one, the ridiculous ease with
which you can incorporate in Delaware that makes perfect sense
and be the las Fair corporate taxation system. And we
have said that, but I need a little I still
(37:22):
want to look into that a little more, he said.
He was confirming, and he went to school and was
learning about all of that stuff, in particular how easy
it is to incorporate. That I understand and I knew that,
but this I I wouldn't. Whatever. I read articles about this,
they're always like, oh, it's just easy. You can just
do whatever in Delaware. It's fine. Just don't worry about it.
(37:43):
What happened did Delaware? Stays in Delaware. That's exactly so,
he says, we should look at the Wilmington, Delaware where
you can find the heart of banking conspiracies. Yeah, thanks
so much for writing in Maurice. Maybe this is an
episode in the future. What do you think I'm interested
in Wilmington's We're doing an episode on Delaware. You know
(38:09):
what we should Well, let's you know what we should
look into it, if only to discover new Delaware jokes.
I have to be at least one. I'm sure, there's several.
Send us your favorite Delaware just the one about what
a Delaware You know state jokes? Remember state jokes? I
remember state jokes. I can't remember the punch line is
(38:30):
no Delaware address or something. We're gonna find these jokes happen.
We're gonna find a few. Everybody held us out fighting
Delaware jokes. What else do we have? Just the last thing?
I looked up Wilmington, Delaware, because what is he talking about?
He mentions that it's has an alternative name as murder Town, USA.
And apparently crime is so high in this tiny little
(38:53):
town in Delaware that, he says our listener Maurice says
that it's because the banks get whatever they want there
and whatever regulations and all this other stuff. I don't know.
I'm in. I'm certainly interested. Uh. And who do we
have next? Evan wrote to us and he wants us
to tackle the Johnny Ghosh case, which is a dark one.
(39:16):
You might have heard of the Franklin scandal, the child
prostitution ring. Well, Johnny Ghosh was the I guess, the
first person that was involved with this where it became
a big story because of the work of his mother
associated with it, right, Yes, they're hard evidence. Uh, you
know there's not hard evidence that he is a part
of this because he disappeared, right, It's all. It's somewhat
(39:40):
conjecture there. It's a rabbit hole though. Oh my goodness.
Even just writing this out, I started kind of going
down because we've looked at it before. Um, just personally,
I know you and I have looked at the Franklin case,
but he wants us to do it. It's pretty dark
for this show, but I don't know if you want
us to let us know. Yeah, uh, and Johnny Gosh
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learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
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is Noel, and I am Ben. You are you that
makes this stuff they don't want you to know? And
that is right, ladies and gentlemen. Today we are finally
taking a closer look at a phenomenon that you asked
about and asked about on YouTube, asked about on Facebook,
asked about on Twitter, asked about on UH in person encounters,
(00:44):
yes they happen, and asked us about on email. The
phenomenon known as ken trails. So let's tackle some definitions
and some background first. So the first thing is you
have probably seen what is purported to be a chem
try all before. If you just look up in the
sky wherever you live, doesn't matter how rural or metropolitan
(01:05):
it is, you have seen as a jet or a
plane has passed over, you see a trail that you
can see. It's it's usually white or grayish um. It's
believed by some to consist of some kind of chemical
or biological agents that are not just vapor. They are.
It's something that's being sprayed there on purpose, and it's
(01:27):
a part of a covert operation done by some let's
say government agency. So the definition there of a chem trail,
kim trail is what's called a portmanteau. That's our word
of the day. If we get a sound effect for that,
what do you think? No one is that worthy have
a sound effect? Okay, fair enough. A portmanteau is when
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two unrelated words are smushed together to make one word.
A chem trail is a portmanteau in English, and it
means it's it's short for chemical trail, a visible trail
left in the sky by an aircraft and believed, as
you said, Mett by some to consist of chemical or
biological agents released as part of a covert operation. According
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to the true believers, kim trails contain some extra things.
Let in water vapor, right, They contain things like barium
or nano aluminum coated fiberglass with another cool nickname chaff.
But that's not all, as Billy Mays was wont to say.
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But wait, there's more. I love that chaff is one
of the things that's I don't know if you guys
learned about this in flight simulator video games. Maybe I'm
the only one chaff. We're hearing about World War two
fire fighter pilots that would release the stuff. I thought
the chaff was the part of the weight that you
didn't want. Yeah, it's like that. Yeah, it's the same thing.
(02:55):
It's a way to prevent heat seeking missiles and other
things to uh, well you want that, yeah you want
you don't, Yeah, you know one other you know, and
missiles seeking your heat? No, absolutely not, all right, I'm sorry.
Well we'll get back in here. What else do we have?
We have radioactive thorium, something that we've talked about before
(03:16):
on this show, cadmium, chromium, lots of different chemicals here,
nickel um, It could even be desiccated blood, polymer fibers,
one of my favorites, to say, yellow fungal micro toxins. Yeah,
that's so you. You love to saying that you And
also ethylene dibromide, of course, a classic for the fans
(03:40):
out there. Even mold spores, even mold spores, all kinds
of stuff and nasty stuff, right, all chem trails. According
to people who believe the chem trails are currently over
the sky under which you reside. All chem trails are
not the same. They may be made for different reasons.
They might uh, they might be made as a way
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to assist in radar readings from high above the earth,
or to prevent them sometimes use this cover. I mean,
there are so many varying theories surrounding this thing, right,
or mass vaccinations, which is interesting that ties into claims
about fluoride and water or other chemicals in water, and
(04:24):
also maybe more directly with the fluoride argument, poisoning the
mind or hindering the mental functions of the public. But
that's that's the chem trail. That's what we're talking about. Now,
what's the thing that actually exists so for for really
really real life. Um, these contrail which stands for a
condensation trail. Another portmanteau. If you will, are you doing it?
(04:45):
Are you still not going to do? Thank you? Thank you? Okay? Um?
That was the sound effect. It was the sound of silence.
And and some of these contrails they can contain stuff
that you don't want. There's not out about that. You know,
the water obviously primary ingredient, but they can also contain
carbon dioxide, water, vapor and nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons, methane, sulfates,
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that kind of thing, and soots and even metal particles. Right, Yeah,
because this condensation trail is a uh it's a stream
of condensed water from an aircraft or rocket at high altitude.
That's what you see if you look up in the
sky and you see those straight lines drawn and as
as you pointed out, all there are differing things in there.
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It's water, plus it's going to contain some byproducts of
the fuel of you know, the things that make the
plane go. It's coming out of the butt of a jet. Absolutely. So,
I mean you could say that you don't have to
look into you know, deep conspiracy theories to say that
maybe there's some stuff in these trails that we don't want.
But obviously it gets deeper and weirder. Oh yes, So
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when did this become a big deal. There were rumors
in the nineteen nineties that were spreading all across the
internet as it was budding, and uh, there were conversations
just people talking in the streets about this stuff. As
they're looking up and seeing more and more. You're also
seeing more and more air travel. There are more planes
in the sky and more jets, more of these things
(06:22):
to see and go, wow, why there are a lot
of those, um and there's so many photographs. Right, we've
all seen them, lads and gentlemen. Is it me? Or
do they do? You tend to see them more often
on smaller planes than you would, like a giant commercial
jet liner. I feel like when I see them, it's
usually behind a smaller plane, like a propel like a
(06:43):
prop plane, a prop plane. Oh well, some of those
maybe purposefully leaving that because there are skywriters, yeah, and
there are they're also crop dusters. The contrail stuff or
the chem trail stuff is high in the atmosphere where
normally only a jet could go. I guess what I'm
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saying is I haven't seen a ton of these. When
I've seen them, it's been on these smaller planes because
you're not looking. I'm not. You're right, and one day
piano is gonna fall on my head or an hand bill.
Oh no, it's gonna happen, man, It just a matter
of time. I'm treading water here. We'll see if that
medium was right. So the nineties right, right, exactly? Nail
(07:26):
on the head in nine or should I say vapor
on the plane. In people began accusing the US Air
Force of springing chemicals over large swaths of land and
in the United States. And a lot of these original
claims come from citations found in a paper that was
(07:46):
written for the Air University and it was called Weather
as a Force Multiplier Owning the Weather in twenty five
And this is publicly available, this is non classified. We
will put up a link on our social media quick
plug conspiracy stuff at Facebook and Twitter. You can also
find it by searching f A s dot org and
(08:07):
then a couple of keywords there force multiplier maybe whether
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and Facebook feeds because he gets this one step further
away from being fired. And if you get enough force
multipliers you can unlock new achievements. That's true. A force multiplier,
(08:27):
in both video games and in depart d D Department
of Defense parlance, is something that accelerates or um, what's
a better word to say it? Uh in Biggins, your
your ability to make an impact overall to project force. So,
(08:52):
as we said, this paper is publicly available, it's not
classified at this point. It doesn't represent any current or
past policy. I hope you can hear my disclaimer voice
when I say that. However, this paper, this paper Weather
as a Force Multiplier, owning the weather in was a
response to a genuine military directive to evaluate and propose
(09:12):
a plan for air dominance in specifically with regard to
weather modification systems. And what's fascinating about that is, although
you won't hear it reported very often, it's referred to
as an historical footnote. The US, the West, the East,
(09:36):
the world at large, all of the international powers have
to some degree dabbled in or been made aware of
other countries dabbling in weather modification cloud seating, every everyone
from China to Russia to the US. Yeah, they've all
been attempting different ways, and usually it has to do
(09:58):
with spring stuff into the sky that's going to at
least increase the possibility of precipitation in an area, right,
like cloud seating. It's exactly like cloud seating, but it's
been used for fascinating ways. In the Olympics. Maybe I
don't remember if it was so key it was the
two thousand and eight Olympics in Beijing. Yeah, yes, exactly
(10:21):
where they were going to cloud seed around the areas
where the Olympics were going to be held, so that
it would rain over there and not where the Olympics
were being held. I can cannot remember the specifics, however
I do remember that technology. It was silver iodied, Yes,
silver iodied, which apparently does have a measurable effect. However,
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the problem is that this is not a controllable effect,
as we will find. So, so the the US forces
have this paper that is public, non classified. It takes off.
The Internet has learned how to communicate or misinform itself,
and the story takes off like wildfire, like hot cakes.
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Can we talk at a minute about how viable this US,
this Air Force plan seems. Now, doesn't that seem a
little crack potty to you? Well, these you gotta think big, right,
I mean, we live in a country thought the guy
that came up with this got a pat on the
back or our demotion. I think maybe they were just
(11:30):
trying to get through Air University, or maybe maybe they
went on to DARPA. So it's yeah, it's very possible
they're at least forward thinking. We must never forget that
we live in the same country which decided this is
so embarrassing. International listeners we are not representatives of this
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land in any official capacity. However, we will tell you
we live in a country that spent serious money trying
to figure out whether there was a bomb that could
make people gay. That is another speaking of crackpot ideas.
That is the world in which we live. And let's
not even get start trying to take the temperature of
(12:12):
on the waste. Let's like if you get started on
the ways people tried to kill Castro. Right, So observers
and people were watching this guy and saying, is that
just a contrail from a jet or is it ellipses?
Something else began believing they possessed the ability to differentiate
(12:32):
between a contrail and to kim trail, and there were
some primary differences. One of the big differences was that
kim trails allegedly stayed in the air much longer in
that stripe pattern, right, that single stripe did not dissipate
the way the water vapor would and contrails, according to
(12:52):
this argument, anticipate in a matter of minutes. Another difference
would be the existence of what's known as kim trail
flew Smorgess board of flu like symptoms that believers argue
as a result of exposure to these substances from the sky.
We have a tangent for you. Well, the tangent is,
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why are we talking about this now? In talking about
chim trails. They got big twenty years ago. And here's
the thing. There are still there are people out there
who truly believe this, and and we're we're not trying
to trample on your beliefs. We're just pointing out that
it became big again in two thousand and ten, I believe,
(13:34):
is when What in the World Are They Spraying? Came out,
which was a documentary and I remember hearing a lot
about it at that time. We made a video about
it a long time ago, and it's cropping up again
in popular culture, the idea of chim trails, and that
is because of the death of a beloved artist named
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Prince That's true. So Prince Um, you know, throughout his life,
I think more so later in his life, became somewhat
of a we'll call it a conspiracy theorist, and he
talked pretty openly about the stuff and actually wrote songs
about it. Um Kim Trails specifically, he's actually written Um
(14:17):
lyrics referring to Kim trails in addition to other you know,
conspiracy type phenomena. Um. And when he didn't interview with
Tavis Smiling on PBS in two thousand nine, Um, he
kind of launched into a bit of a diet tribe
about Kim trails, in which he said, quote, you know,
when I was a kid, I used to see these
trails in the sky all the time. A jet just
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went over, and then you started to see a whole
bunch of them. Next thing, you know, everybody in your
neighborhood was fighting and arguing and you didn't know why.
So back to the Kim trail flew Prince early on
in this leading up to his his death. Um, you know,
had that said he had the flu. He canceled a
concert right here in Atlanta, actually at the Fox Theater
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because he cleaned they had the flu, and then did
the concert again. Um, and talked about at the concert
saying I was a bit at the weather. Things like
that the plane that he was on on the way
back to m Paisley Park in Minnesota had to make
an emergency landing because he's supposedly these flu like symptoms returned. Um.
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There are those on the internet that believe that his
dialogue is his you know, speaking out about the Kim
trail phenomenon could possibly have led to him being snuffed
out by the powers that be. So that's one popular
culture thing that's kind of brought this back into discussion.
(15:43):
Another is, uh two celebrities actually another one who passed
away recently, Merle Haggard, the country singer. He had a
song um again later in his career called Things I
Hate or what I Hate, And there's a lyric and
it says, what I hate is looking up and seeing
Kim Trail is in the clear blue sky today. And
Chuck Norris actually wrote an op ed on w n
(16:06):
D dot com called Sky Criminals in which he examines quote,
geo engineering in the skies above us, and he, you know,
goes into pretty great detail about the chemical makeup of
these chem trails and how people are having the you know,
will pulled over their eyes about the phenomenon the sky Criminals,
(16:27):
by the sky criminals. I mean, if Chuck Norris is
on the case, we have nothing to fear. Guys. He
just you know, one kick and he's taken care of.
And this is how he describes it, Chim Trails kim trailing,
as the article refers to. It is quote the public's
term for the classified an ongoing artificial modification of Earth's
climate systems using reflective nano materials aerosols to reflect sunlight.
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The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand
into reflective artificial clouds. And that's actually interesting because that
is a little more in line with the Air Force
paper that you're talking about. It's yeah, interesting is definitely
where this goes beyond just a pop culture thing though.
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We what we see is that if this begins to
be UM an idea believed in by a mass swell
of people, and if we see celebrities or if we
see notable experts arguing for this, then of course against
the attention of the world, which is why the government
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has to respond. The US address these concerns as those
concerns grew, and they provided something you can read online
right now, the Contrail fact sheet. UH. This was by
the Air Force. There's more studies from NASA and independent
scientists also investigated this phenomenon for our purposes, especially if
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you UH, if you're a person who believes or as
evidence of UH chem trails interfering. Of course, it's difficult
to believe the arguments of any US state sponsored entities,
So the independent scientists or where you would want to
go to try to find the most objective look at
the truth. The vast majority concluded that the concept of
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purposefully spraying chemicals over such a large distance it's possible,
but the problem is that it would not effectively achieve
the results people feared Uncle Sam and other governments were chasing.
Side note, you can also find a handy dandy contrail guide,
(18:38):
because not all contrails are created the same, and the
results you're talking about are manipulation of weather systems right
or obstucation as Matt said, of radar detection or enhancement thereof,
or just providing artificial cloud UH artificial high atmosphere coverage
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to interfere with foreign satellites. Foreign sate satellites are one
of the few things about that that other governments are
still trying to figure out how to um how to
mitigate the influence of or hinder the effectiveness of. So,
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for instance, one thing to happen with Project Corona in
what the sixties seventies UH. Project Corona was one of
the first satellite observation operations in the US, and it
was so we I think we we've done some shows
about it. It It was so low tech at the time.
(19:41):
The satellites would take pictures, literal photographs, and then physically
dump the film, the negatives and cartridges, and someone would
just have to go catch him and develop it and say, oh,
that's what's happening, and now to say v D two, yeah,
(20:02):
nine seventy two. So it had some legs and went
on for a while. So despite the government's efforts to
say that we're not in any way obstucating satellite reads,
we're not poisoning people, were not, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, all
this has done very little to stem the swell of
(20:24):
Kim trail conspiracies. You can find YouTube videos, you can
find arguments that Kim trails are indeed ruining the world
as we know it. And that makes us look, perhaps
as you are looking up now, listener, as as we
talk about the sky, perhaps you're tilting your head up
to look. We don't know if it's day, we don't
(20:46):
know if it's night, but there is a there is
a fair chance that you're looking up and you're seeing
some clouds and you're starting to look at them differently
as you hear this. So while you were gazing up,
if not now the next time, the do, Let's talk
a little bit about spray in the sky. What what
are the facts about the sky? Well, first, there's one
(21:10):
inescapable facts here. The air is pretty filthy in a
lot of places, so was the water. Contaminated soil is everywhere.
The odds of being exposed to some sort of pesticide
or contaminant, they are a lot higher than you might think.
The US uses over a billion pounds of pesticides each year,
and a lot of that gets sprayed. So of course
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that spraying isn't quite the same as this high powered jet. Uh,
the idea of a high powered jet flying above the
earth far enough to far enough to treat to create
a contrailer, chimp trail, what have you? Um? Second, the
differences in air quality around the country, the variations and
maybe your country as well. Um, they're very very very different,
(21:53):
wide range of air qualities, mountains, coasts, time of year,
depending on what kind of area you live in, whether
it's urban, how much manufacturing there is, all of these
factors are important, and they can hugely affect the quality
of the air that you breathe for sure. Yeah, so
we you know, that's why there are small alerts in
(22:13):
some cities more often than in others. That's that's a
pretty basic thing we can all agree upon. But there's
a third fact and this is the disturbing one. While
Kim trail believers may not be completely correct, and all
of the claims right there are because there are a
wealth of claims that are ranged from disturbing ly plausible
(22:37):
two maybe possible to what yeah, and and they stack
in varying ways sometimes, so you'll have you'll have an
extremely plausible claim right next to something that is the
huh um. So you have to really watch out. So
one caveat here is that several things presented as evidence
(22:58):
simply do not measure up, such as the infamous lithium
call with a NASA employee, which you can read about
right now on snopes dot com, where in uh wherein
some people claim that they had a confession that the
US that Uncle Sam was spreading lithium around the population,
just spraying it into the air and saying, I don't
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know whatever, Yeah, and the thing to realize that these ideas,
especially if you're a person who thinks you are skeptic
or a person who thinks you have arrived at the
inescapable truth about chem trails and you feel like no
one is listening to you. There there's something that both
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sides must admit that these ideas are not some kind
of malarky or nonsense coming out of nowhere, nor the
attempts for someone to be the discoverer of a hidden
truth which the Internet loves. Uh, nor they all a
bunch of people trolling in some crappy joe. Okay, But then,
as you know, there is a reason for all this.
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More than a reason. There's actually precedent, and we'll get
to that when we come right back from a quick break.
Here's where it gets crazy. The US really did poison
(24:27):
human civilian populations with mass spraying with chemicals. We can't
emphasize this enough, folks, So let's try again. Something like
kim trails was real, proven And this is not some
archaic future plan written by Chris Carter, the inventor of
X files, or one of those military madmen proposed it
(24:49):
and came scary close kind of things. Uh. This actually
happened multiple times over the course of the nineteen fifties
and the sixties. The you S government dusted American cities,
maybe one in which you lived today, if you were
a US citizen with something called sinc cadmium sulfide. Yeah,
(25:09):
this is a part of an operation. It was Operation
l a C or Large Area Coverage, and it started
in nineteen fifty seven. However, that wasn't the first time
they did it. There were earlier experiments. Back in September
of nineteen fifty the US played some war games in California.
They had six simulated attacks there. They were conducted in
(25:32):
the Bay Area. They wanted to evaluate the feasibility of
launching biological aerosol agents from off shore. So attacking the
US with biological agents, what would that look like? Would
it work exactly? And over the course of March and
April in nineteen fifty two, the US conducted multiple trials,
five trials off the coast of South Carolina and to
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our unending discomfort, Georgia, in a project called Operation Do
Right Yes Great Point d e w uh. And the
idea here was the one to see if they could
prove that long range aerosol clouds could obtain hundreds of
miles of travel and cover a large area when they
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were launched from ground level, and they wanted to see
how the weather would affect that, and this project was
rated successful. Got another example before Operation l a C
even really begins in nineteen fifty seven, an operation on
the North Sea, which is um the east coast of Britain,
showed that large area coverage with particles was possible under
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most weather conditions. And the inaugural event for Operation l
a C is the same year, seven December two, the
US takes uh An Air an airplane called a flying
box car that's a C one nineteen that was loaned
from the Air Force to the military from South Dakota
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to Minnesota, and they wanted to trace the spread of
particles as verified from stations on the ground. So, yeah,
testing to see what can we know if this is occurring?
What do we see from the ground level, right, and
there's a you know, there's a defensible position there too.
What if a for an agent or domestic domestic criminal
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attempts to poison entire city? How far would they get?
The particles they used were fluorescence was easy to track them.
But what did they find, Well, they found some disturbing stuff. Man.
They drifted over a thousand miles away, all the way
north into Canada. The particles, the part of yeah, the
particles that were being sprayed from this C one nine team,
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the zinc cadmium sulf exactly and in a normal flight
released about five thousand pounds of this stuff. You can
learn more about this in a book called The Eleventh Plague.
But this one, you know, this one and year old
flight wouldn't be such a big deal if they hadn't
also tested similar things in Texas, the San Francisco Bay
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area and St. Louis. Can we talk a little bit
about St. Louis. According to professor Lisa Martino Taylor, St
Louis got an upgrade. Um, there's zinc cadmium self. I
had contained radioactive particles. Oh boy. Yes. Specifically, the radioactive
compound was something known as radium two to six, manufactured
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by a company called in Burst of Creativity US Radium.
The Army called this substance FP twenty two sixty six.
So then in Corpus Christie, the chemical was dropped from
airplanes over large areas of the city Um and St. Louis.
The Army put chemical sprayers on buildings, schools, public housing
projects and mounted them in station wagons for mobile use.
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And a little note here, the majority of the spring
that was occurring there in St. Louis, it was done
in low income minority areas, right, including the infamous prow
Ingo Complex. Uh this Professor Martino Taylor argues that over
seventy of the residents of the complex were children under
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the age of twelve at the time. So that's that's
the thing, that's the disturbing. Here's where it gets crazy. Thing.
There are a lot of people who like to say, oh,
Kim Trail enthusiast or Kim Trail believers, because they don't
believe enthusiasts is the correct word. Are ignoring science, are
just becoming hysterical over something. Yet there is proven precedent
(29:38):
this stuff happened. The US government purposefully, purposefully experimented on
people without their consent, without their knowledge. We have an
episode on human Experimentation that examined some other examples of this.
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We do mention the St. Louis event. Yeah, so where
does that leave us? Though? Guys? The idea that there
would be contrails actually just jet exhaust the lack of
better word, a jet bride product versus chem trails. Do
we have any like pros and cons or what? What
do you guys think? So, okay, I would say the
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big problem is if you go online right now search
cam trails, you're gonna see a ton of videos that
I would say, I would I think objectively those are contrails,
and the person thinks they're chem trails. Um, it's usually
in a fairly occupied area metropolitan area, and it's just
you see where jets travel, and there's probably an airport
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that goes, you know, connects up to another airport near there.
I can objectively say that it's a person who believes
it's the chem trail, but I think it's a contrail.
But when you bring in this history of testing, and
let's say even the need for the air force or
the military to test some of these things, uh to
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understand their own readiness for a foreign attacker or even
a domestic terrorist or something like that, you okay, you
try and balance these two things. There's obviously, in my opinion,
not as many chem trails as some people would believe.
But I do not think it's a completely made up thing. Whatsoever,
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I believe that there. I think there are some things
that are being tested, probably even now today. I suppoish
the government would make it easier for us and make
them like green or orange or something, you know, like
that Zeen and Batman. So you just know unequivocally, Okay,
that's a bad one. Stay away from that. Well, we
do know that classified experiments are conducted in near space,
(31:44):
in outer space, and in the upper reaches of the atmosphere,
and have been for some time. However, the motivation of
poisoning controlling the public is is a con to me
because there's not an effective way to control a dose, right.
And another con would be the old Nimby argument. Nimbia
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is an acronym that means not in my backyard. So
let us suppose that there is some sort of elite
or some factions, some inner cabal that would say, hey,
you know, it's a great idea, let's dose everyone with lithium. Well,
guess what, buddy, you're everyone. You you're not wealthy enough
to buy your own sky. It's one of the it's
(32:28):
one of the last things that will remain for the people, right,
even you know what. I hope that's correct. But then
there's there's a pro. And the big pro to your point, Matt,
is that this technology is already available. The argument is
over the motive and whether it would be effective, like
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to what ends, you know what I mean. I think
it's definitely more in the testing kind of thing, the
testing for military capability and prevention of attack. That's my
personal thought because it makes sense to me. But it's
just like cloud seating. It would be impossible to control
with the precision needed until it's not until it's not right.
(33:12):
There only level three sky room. They're trying to level up,
unlock them achievements. Son, No, I mean, I guess say
what Matt's saying entirely. I mean, you're even if something
you know, as I said at the top of the show,
seems very pun intended Pie in the sky A no, brown,
ladies and gentlemen, is that you're never gonna actually further
your understanding of it unless you try it a whole
(33:34):
bunch and you know, try out different variables. Who knows,
maybe in twenty thirty years the government will be able
to control the weather. I don't know. You just got
to have a large enough black budget to pump funds
for teams to continually you know, hit their head against
the walls. We see, yeah, right now. I love that.
You say, maybe it'll be feasible to control the weather,
right or maybe even feasible to control a large population
(33:58):
or area. One thing we didn't mention was the concept
that this is being used to to that point earlier,
to geoengineer crops or something. Maybe they'll be able to
control it. Maybe someone will, But the problem is right now,
the best any publicly known UM, any publicly known institution,
(34:19):
whether private or state sponsor, can do is to influence
things very much like again observation we've used or comparison
we've used on the show before, very much like Mickey
Malice as the Wizard in Fantasia makes a broom, tries
to destroy the broom, and all of a sudden there
are a million frigging brooms. This is not you know,
(34:41):
this is not a situation wherein there is a precision.
So well, it goes by something that our buddy Jonathan
Strickland I have just talked about several times UM in
his opinion and you know, based on a lot of
sciencests out there in order to legitimately influence the weather
or control it in any kind of way that could
reasonably be considered predictable or control, you would have to
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pop so much energy into that system to the point
where it would just be a wash. I mean, it
wouldn't be effication, yeah at all. So what do you think,
ladies and gentlemen. This is our quick and dirty intro
to chim trails. And even now, like a contrail, it
may be beginning to dissipate from your mind. Or perhaps
(35:25):
this episode will be a chem trail, or the lithium
might just be kicking in, or the lithium might just
be kicking in, And maybe this will stay with you,
maybe you will look at the sky differently, but when
you look back down, we want to hear from you.
Let us know your experiences. Do you feel that you
have seen a chem trail? Do you feel that chim
trails are bunk? Do you feel that you have experience
(35:50):
the influence of this thing? If you if you believe
in this phenomenon, and if you have any evidence, Let's
say you shot some video or some photos. Hey, why
not send it over before you fly a plane? Oh yeah,
kim trails maybe you worked on one of the operations
and you want to anonymously send us something. Huh, yeah,
we should really get a snapchat. Or maybe you just
(36:12):
want us to, you know, wish your loved one happy birthday.
We can do all of those things on shut up corners.
Today's first shout out goes to Maurice from Delaware. Hey,
I'm Maurice. Shout out to Maurice, and I'm in Delaware.
It's not gonna work. I don't think you know everyone.
(36:38):
You know what, No people did get it. We did
see Wayne's World when it came out in the nineties.
I thought it was good. I think that's part of
the reason Maurice writes him. What's he saying, Well, Maurice's
in addition to groaning and rolling his eyes at my
constant Delaware joke, I'm sure there's lots going on. And
it's a good joke. That's not even my joke. It's
a good reference. That's better. That's it is a good reference.
(37:00):
So Maurice says that there are two main reasons that
big businesses use Delaware as headquarters. Okay, this is also
about something not a joke, but that pertains Dela really,
we've talked about um number one, the ridiculous ease with
which you can incorporate in Delaware that makes perfect sense
and be the las Fair corporate taxation system. And we
have said that, but I need a little I still
(37:22):
want to look into that a little more, he said.
He was confirming, and he went to school and was
learning about all of that stuff, in particular how easy
it is to incorporate. That I understand and I knew that,
but this I I wouldn't. Whatever. I read articles about this,
they're always like, oh, it's just easy. You can just
do whatever in Delaware. It's fine. Just don't worry about it.
(37:43):
What happened did Delaware? Stays in Delaware. That's exactly so,
he says, we should look at the Wilmington, Delaware where
you can find the heart of banking conspiracies. Yeah, thanks
so much for writing in Maurice. Maybe this is an
episode in the future. What do you think I'm interested
in Wilmington's We're doing an episode on Delaware. You know
(38:09):
what we should Well, let's you know what we should
look into it, if only to discover new Delaware jokes.
I have to be at least one. I'm sure, there's several.
Send us your favorite Delaware just the one about what
a Delaware You know state jokes? Remember state jokes? I
remember state jokes. I can't remember the punch line is
(38:30):
no Delaware address or something. We're gonna find these jokes happen.
We're gonna find a few. Everybody held us out fighting
Delaware jokes. What else do we have? Just the last thing?
I looked up Wilmington, Delaware, because what is he talking about?
He mentions that it's has an alternative name as murder Town, USA.
And apparently crime is so high in this tiny little
(38:53):
town in Delaware that, he says our listener Maurice says
that it's because the banks get whatever they want there
and whatever regulations and all this other stuff. I don't know.
I'm in. I'm certainly interested. Uh. And who do we
have next? Evan wrote to us and he wants us
to tackle the Johnny Ghosh case, which is a dark one.
(39:16):
You might have heard of the Franklin scandal, the child
prostitution ring. Well, Johnny Ghosh was the I guess, the
first person that was involved with this where it became
a big story because of the work of his mother
associated with it, right, Yes, they're hard evidence. Uh, you
know there's not hard evidence that he is a part
of this because he disappeared, right, It's all. It's somewhat
(39:40):
conjecture there. It's a rabbit hole though. Oh my goodness.
Even just writing this out, I started kind of going
down because we've looked at it before. Um, just personally,
I know you and I have looked at the Franklin case,
but he wants us to do it. It's pretty dark
for this show, but I don't know if you want
us to let us know. Yeah, uh, and Johnny Gosh
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went missing. In our final shout out comes from a
Jay who says, Hi, guys, I'm Lata or Lanea from Nigeria.
I love listening to you guys, and I share it
with my friends too. You are the best hashtag shout out. Well, hey,
thank you so much for listening. I'd like to ask
you a favor. If you're listening now, can you let
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us know about any conspiracies or friends reporting or stories
that you feel are being ignored by the mainstream Western
media in your neck of the global woods. We would
be grateful. And that goes not only for uh, not
only for a gai, but also for everyone listening to that,
if you remembered what we just asked, then yes, we're
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talking directly to you. Tell us what you think your
fellow listeners should know more about. And that concludes today's gosh.
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