April 23, 2024 • 25 mins
Gary and Shannon talk about Columbia University cancelling classes because of protest on campus. BAC’s Mark Remillard joins the show to give the latest ion the Trump hush money trial. The Supreme Court appears to be divided on the ruling that would prevent homeless sleeping on the streets. A manhunt is underway in Washington for a former cop after two women are found dead and 1-year-old child is abducted.
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This is Gary and Shannon and you'relistening to KFI AM six forty, the
Gary and Shannon Show on demand onthe iHeartRadio app. The Senate was headed
towards a critical vote today to tryto clear the way for final consideration of
that foreign aid package, the ninetyfive billion dollars of a Ukraine and Israel
and Taiwan, setting the stage forapproving the bill, and then of course
would send it to President Biden,who has said he would sign it.
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It was passed by the House onSaturday. There's a test vote for it
early this afternoon DC time, sowithin a couple of hours, and they
may go through and finally pass itin the Senate later tonime. We will
coming up next go live to NewYork to get an update on Trump's trial.
And I've just got to say this. I've taken in a lot of
the coverage and the breathless liberal mediathat cannot get enough of this is doing
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nothing but actively campaigning for Donald Trump. They don't understand that. You don't
understand it. And the details thatthey're getting into are just ridiculous, Like,
oh, there's flat he's farting anopen court, and he had to
be woken up for the fourth timeand all of this just breathless coverage is
crazy. The most interesting part aboutit for me has been what his body
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is doing. I mean, beyondthe farting, but the whole. He
is leaning forward with most of hispressure on his right elbow at this point,
and his eyes are trained on DavidPecker. Dismissed jurors are being interviewed
outside. They're like, what didyou see from Donald Trump? And the
jurors are like, he was sittingto my left in front of me,
and okay, so he was tothe left. So let's go to our
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body language analysts. See, thisis the first picture we have Donald Trump
this morning in court. This isI'm sorry, I need to break in,
Jake Tapper, CNN. I'm sorry, I just need to break in.
I just want to point out toour viewers, this is the first
picture of Donald Trump in court thismorning. Like, we don't know what
the guy looks like, even thoughhe was holding court outside in the hallway
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and the Echoe hallway just ten minutesago. So we know what he's wearing,
we know what he looks like.We'll talry about that, okay,
Columbia University has now canceled in personclasses for the rest of this semester,
giving into pro Palestinian protesters who haveabsolutely taken over that campus. This is
at Columbia University where they're telling theirstudents we can no longer keep you safe.
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We telling Jewish team, yeah,telling Jewish students stay home for the
rest of the semester. Now nwhy you They also arrested dozens of protesters
overnight. We saw this at Yaleyesterday. The gates to Harvard Yard have
been closed. And guess what.It has finally come to some degree to
California. I'm sure there have beenprotests like this before, but this is
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the first time that somebody has takenover a building in California. At cal
Poly, not that cal Poly,the other cal Poly, and not even
that cal Poly, the col PolyHumboldt. Somebody walked in. There's about
fifty to sixty people. They setup a shanty town in Siemens Hall,
which is the administration building there aHumboldt, and what they did was they
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piled furniture by the front doors sothat law enforcement were not allowed in smart.
As of last night at about eighto'clock is when the CHP was called
in along with local police and sheriff'sdepartment. And then at about eleven o'clock,
just before eleven o'clock, I thinkit was, the radio call went
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out which was like guys, gohome. All the officers left, and
these morons sat in that Semen's Hall, administration hall and just continued to yell
things. Protesting is very American.I'm never against protesting unless it gets grotesque.
This has gotten grotesque because and I'mtrying to nail down this report,
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but I heard it this morning,just kind of on the radio and passing
when I'm getting ready, but thatthere was at least one protester with a
sign in front of a Jewish studentorganization saying like big sign Hamas's next target,
and then like pointing to them inwhat world is that? In?
What America? Is that? Okay? Could you imagine? And I heard
the comparison of a black student organizationand holding a sign saying KKK's next target,
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right, that would not be stoodfor, and somebody would come out
and say, as the leader ofthe country, this will not stand and
listen. Joe Biden was asked aboutthese protests yesterday and he said anti Semitism
has no room on college campuses.Oh, really, it doesn't, because
it looks like it's thriving. Theseimages that we've seen out of NYU and
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Columbia and Harvard and Yale, nowcal Pauly, Humboldt, it looks like
it's thriving, trending. It's atrendy thing to do now, rather than
you can't I if words are violence, right, you cannot criticize, question,
give side eye to somebody who saysthat they were born with female genitalia
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but they are really a man.You can't get into that because you can't
question that because that's violence. Butyou can then advocate literally advocate for violence
and it's and it's not violence.How does it make sense? How vocal
let's take those two issues. Howvocal has this administration been about the small,
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minuscule percentage of people that struggle withgender identity. How vocal have they
been in the past month as opposedto vocally standing against this kind of hate.
Well, it's it's apples, it'sapples and oranges here, and they've
been very vocal with the day ofthe day of what was it visibility,
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you know, and that whole rigamaroleas opposed to not coming out immediately when
you see that image and say thiswill not stand here. Well now,
and now it's going to get downto money. Robert Kraft, one of
the billionaires who helps fund Columbia Universityand other schools, has said, no
school that allows this is going toget any more of my money. And
when the government finally steps in andsays you're going to lose all of your
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federal grants, all of if youdon't crack down on this, you're going
to be starved. The pipeline iscut off, and you're going to see
people violently react to this. Imean, I don't go look to Alec
Baldwin for my moral compass necessarily.And yes I know he in my mind
was responsible for the death of thecinematographer on the set of that movie.
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But for someone to have the ballsto confront him in a coffee shop and
you know he's a criminal. Comeon, just say free Palistine one time,
one time, just one time,please, and I'll leave you alone.
Okay, you know what he did, Please say it one time.
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Could you give me one computer?That's the sound of him smacking the phone
out of her hand. He didn'tassault her, he didn't hit her.
He knocked the phone out of herhand. Because that woman believes that she
has the freedom and the power tojust yell at somebody, regardless of what
she knows about him. Well,I think that there's no better guy.
Actually she's trying to get a reaction. Then yes, yeah, I won't
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come down on Alec. I thinkshe'd be yelled at in coffee shops forever,
Palestine or not, because he's justan a hole. All right,
coming up next, we only havea couple more hours. O milk,
Alec, Yeah, oat milk.Yeah, really, come on, say
oat milk. That's fine, sayit, say oat milk. Give me
an almond milk? Can he getcan you can you get there? Can
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you get me an almond milk?Say no to cows? Just one.
David Pecker is on the stand,the publisher of the National Inquirer. He
is talking about reality TV. He'stalking about Bill Clinton and his dalliances with
women, and Hillary standing by.It looks like it's another day at the
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circus in New York. Joining ustalk more about this. Mark Ramillard,
correspondent for ABC, news Mark.We started with the hearing this morning about
potential violations of the judges gag orders. How did that go? Yeah,
So the prosecution pointing to ten socialmedia posts that they say were violations of
the gag order. These were mostof these were last week during jury's election.
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They involved posts or sometimes he wouldjust be quoting, not necessarily commenting,
but quoting other news commentators about someof the witnesses, particularly people like
Michael Cohen. Prosecutor's pointed those sayingthose are violations of the gag order.
And in fact they say that hiscomments, Trump's comments outside of court yesterday,
they're going to be they're going tofile additional motions saying that these were
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violations as well. So Prosecutor's layingthat foundation in the arguments today. Then
Donald Trump's team came up to tryand defend those posts by basically saying that
these are political speech, that it'snothing more than him responding this is not
about the case. He's responding topolitical attacks. But the judge was skeptical
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of that. At the very least, he was very skeptical of that as
being the argument these are just purepolitical speech. But at other time seemed
visibly irritated by the defense because itseemed as if they were not really answering
his question that he was trying toget them to show. Okay, you're
saying these are political political responses topolitical attacks on Donald Trump and not an
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effort to influence the jurors or influenceany witnesses. Yet you're not able to
point to the post to which DonaldTrump is responding. So where are those
posts? And the judge seemed frustratedthat Todd Blanche, the attorney, couldn't
really point to them, or atleast didn't. And so at the end
of that hearing, the judge hasnot issue your ruling yet. He'll do
that later. But at the endof that hearing, as he wrapped it
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up, he basically told the defense, you haven't given me a lot to
hang my hat on here, somight not look too good for the defense
at this point. Yeah, we'llhave to save for a conversation for later.
I don't know if you're a constitutionallaw expert, Mark, but it's
worth of conversation later, maybe duringswamp watch, when we can talk about
how the gag order is able toevade the First Amendment because it's large in
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scope, this gag order. Itis not targeted, to say the least.
All Right, So David Pecker onthe stand now, any highlights.
Yeah, I think what you're seeingfrom David Pecker, which is really interesting,
right, because David Pecker is alongtime friend of Donald Trump, the
former publisher of the National Inquirer,and he's there under subpoena. He has
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a non prosecution agreement with the prosecutors. But they still seem to be fairly
chummy. There were times that theykind of grinned at each other or smiled
at each other. You haven't seenDonald Trump point toward David Pecker in the
same way that you've seen kind ofthe vitriol from Trump toward Michael Cohen.
But what's interesting is the foundation thatPecker is laying here seems to be exactly
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what the prosecutors want, which isto say that he is basically laying the
groundwork that in twenty fifteen, asPecker said that he met with Donald Trump
and Michael Cohen, Trump's former attorney, that they all met in Trump Tower
in twenty fifteen, and Pecker basicallyagreed that I will publish good stories about
Trump I will publish bad stories abouthis opponent. And then that they basically
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agreed as well, that as Pecker'ssaying that if I hear of bad stories
out there against Trump, if Ihear bad things about Trump, I'll let
Michael Cohen know so we can coordinateand kill those stories. And so this
is kind of the exact scenario thatprosecutors are laying or are saying occurred in
these cases with Stormy Daniels and KarenMcDougall. And so. One thing also
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as well was Pecker saying that priorto twenty sixteen, his magazine and his
tabloid never caught and killed any storiesfor Trump, but they started doing it
after these meetings with Trump and Cohenand Trump Towers. So I think,
again laying that foundation that there wasthis agreement among at least these three Trump,
Cohen, and Pecker to catch andkill stories. Well, do we
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own any of who the second Iknow there was some question about whether the
prosecutors were going to publish a witnesslist before they actually call the people.
Do know who the second witness mightbe for the prosecution? I do not.
I have not seen that they've publisheda list, They've kept some of
this very close to the vest,and we know over the weekend there was
the prosecutor and said they didn't evenwant to reveal that Pecker was going to
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be the first witness until Sunday nightbecause of their concerns that Trump would post
about it on social media. Andthe judge said that was reasonable. So
I don't know how, if orwhen we're going to see a full list
in that way, or if thisis just going to stay close to the
vest until we know people are calledMark Romollard, great reporting, as always,
appreciate it. Thank you both,you guys all right, and we'll
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keep an eye on that gag orderruling. Prosecution asking that the judge hold
Trump in contempt for statements up toeleven wants the judged order sanctions, including
one thousand dollars fine per statement anda warning that Trump risks up to thirty
days in jail for any future violation. A suspect you shot in La County
shafest deputy in the back at astop light yesterday on the ten Freeway and
West CoV is still out there.Deputy Samuel Aspuro, forty three, shot
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once in the back just about twoforty five yesterday while they stopped at a
red light sitting on a sheriff's motorcycle, Baranka and East Garvey Avenue. He
was in uniform, he was wearinghis bulletproof vest. They said he was
transported to a local hospital and hisstable, but they continue to look for
a suspect. They believe a whitesedan with tinted windows may have last been
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headed westbound on the ten Freeway fromBaranka. Coming up at True Crime Tuesday.
Later in this show, we've gotmore details about that bloody ambush of
the two moms. New details abouthow the mother in law and her Gods
Misfits gang members lured them to theirdeaths using burner phones, stun guns,
and a bulldozer. Weird. Wetalked last week about how long you could
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hold a plank? Yeah, didyou see the world record? No?
Okay, So last week we watchedsomebody on television, one of the morning
shows. I think it was Foxeleven. It was Fox eleven were doing
a plank contest. Now, Igot up to about three minute, minutes
and forty seven seconds, does prettygood. I went home and promptly check
smashed the record. I did threefifty four. Let me ask you a
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quick procedural question. Was it handsup or on your elbow? It was
the way they did it on theelbow, so you brew it. I
was going to tell her, Iwas going to make don't look. I
didn't look at it yet. Ididn't look at it yet. It was
the same plank they did, sothe elbow, flat hands. Elbows and
flat hands, I find that tobe more challenging. By your full plank,
I agree. A woman in Albertaset a new record for the longest
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time spent in an abdominal plank position. Again bent elbows. Take a wild
stab you wear three minutes and fortyfive seconds, fifty four sack minutes,
three minutes and fifty sorry, threefifty four. Sorry, And make no
mistake. This is not because Ihave abstract It's because I'm a competitive beast.
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What was it? Was? Yourguess about the world Okay? Right?
The world record, I would sayis thirty two minutes, four hours,
thirty minutes, eleven seconds. Wow. Donna Jean Wild started doing planks
when she broke her wrist ten yearsago. So she couldn't do the straight
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arms, she had to do iton her elbows wow, and needed something
to get her heart rate up.So she did. She broke the previous
record, which was four hours,nineteen minutes, and fifty five seconds.
I am such a loser. It'sgonna be a long afternoon for you.
Supreme Court yesterday wrestled with some prettymajor questions about the issue of homelessness when
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it was considering whether cities, specificallyGrants Pass Oregon, can punish people for
sleeping outside when shelter space is lacking. Now, it's not as simple as
saying that, because the law inGrant's Pass that was passed says you can't
sleep outside with a blanket. Imean, it's something specific like that that
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prompted this lead question and the CircuitCourt to wrestle with it, and then
all the way up to the SupremeCourt. They began finding people Grants pasted
two hundred and ninety five dollars forsleeping outside with a blanket or a pillow.
I believe it is. And theNinth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down
the law under it's holding that banningcamping in places without enough shelter beds would
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be cruel and unusual punishment. Andwe saw from the questioning yesterday of the
Supreme Court Justices that there's a lotof There's a lot that goes into determining.
I mean, you can't just saysomeone's homeless. How do you determine
that? Do you determine it inthe day or at night? I hate
when they try to simplify this issue. We've talked about it several times.
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It's a triage situation. There aredifferent problems for different homeless people, and
you have to treat those problems inorder to get them to a place of
living in society. To say it'sas simple as as sleeping outside of crime
is ignoring that idea. It's ignoringthat very real truth. It's not a
housing issue. It's not a sleepingas a biological necessity, as Elena Kagan
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said, issue, it's a myriadof issues. And to say that it
is one thing, or to eventake a look at it through that one
specific lens, doesn't do anybody anyfavors now, and we've seen that because
how many billions of dollars have wereported over the last couple of years that
get spent on homelessness issues. Butbecause there's no one who wants to address
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it for what it really is.The money just gets there's nothing to show
for it except for all the peoplewho are said to want to fix the
problem who get their pockets lined withcash. Justice Brett Kavanaugh came out as
kind of a I guess, amoderate voice on this. He was questioning
whether ticketing people for camping helps ifthere aren't enough shelter beds to hold everyone,
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but also was concerned about the federalcourts coming in with blanket pola.
He didn't e didn't want the federalgovernment with a giant hammer dealing with the
micromanagement of a situation like that.John Roberts saying, why would you think
these nine people are the best peopleto judge and way these policy judgments?
Asking the Biden administration's lawyer that uhtalking about the biological necessity that Atlena Kagan
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brought up, Neil Gorsich says,well, if there are no public bathroom
facilities, do people have an EighthAmendment right to defecate and urinate outdoors?
Right? Exactly? Uh? Yeah, And the question, you know,
one of the write ups that Isaw about this on Sunday afternoon when I
was reading up on it, wasyou can't. You can't make homelessness an
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issue, are a criminal act ifthey have nowhere else to go. Well,
wait a minute. Let you're assumingthat people have lost all mobility or
people have and I know it takesmoney to move, I get it,
But the idea that Grant's Pass isthe last place that those people can live
is not right. It's not true. There was a write up, a
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breathless ride up. I don't knowif you saw it yesterday, but in
the New York Times or Washington Post. One of them took a very sympathetic
look at the people who live inGrant's Pass. Gloria now sleeps in the
outfield where her son used to playLittle League twenty five years ago, and
the other guy sleeps in a parknear where his teenage brother drowned twenty years
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ago. Well, there's a lotthat goes on in those ensuing twenty one
Gloria get into since the Little Leaguedajactly, but they don't talk about that.
They just talked about for bed thenignoring those problems. As we've said
countless times, does nobody any favors. Like I said, if I come
in here with a needle hanging outof my arm. I'd like you to
address my heroin problem instead of ignoringit, because if you ignore it,
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I'm going to come in on Thursdayand I'm going to have a needle hanging
out of my arm, maybe two. And where does that get me?
Hi? And probably dead, Kerry. I mean you'll be a little before
you get dead. Non's on howfast you push those meds? Push those
meds? What are you a heronexpert? Now, I don't like to
bring Oh I'm gone for one dayand you develop heroin knowledge, I'll draw
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you a picture of a hot rail. I don't know if that's an impossible
thing. There was a little issuewith the bringing up of Steve Bannon's name.
Apparently the prosecutor had asked David Pecker, the National Inquirer former publisher,
if Steve Bannon ever asked him torun any articles, and Trump's attorney objected
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and wanted a sidebar. They cameback and he explained the Trump attorney did
that the defense is objecting to theline of questioning about Bannon. The government
is eliciting hearsay statements from Steve Bannonas the declarant they're being offered for their
truth. Also, noted that defensedid not receive notice that prosecutors would be
offering Bannon as a co conspirator,and said that Donald Trump is not charged
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with any conspiracy, so that issuewas they moved on from that issued.
Trump actually left the courtroom for ashort time and they're going to be like
Shannon said, back on the witnessstand. Here in a second wild story
out of Washington State, a massivemanhunt on the in progress from Washington State.
They believe threw into Mexico because theythink this guy may be taking off
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there. But it's an ex schoolcop. He served in the department for
about seven years, from twenty fourteenon at a local middle school in Yakima.
There in Washington, he is onthe run. He allegedly shot and
killed his ex wife at her elementaryschool and then his seventeen year old girlfriend
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at his home just moments from thatschool. On the same day. He
was due to face rape charges onraping his girlfriend who's seventeen and her unconscious
friend at a party who was sixteen. No doubt this guy is definitely armed,
dangerous, and they say likely tocommit more crimes. Washington State Patrol
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put out this Amber alert for theboy also two feet tall. I mean
he's he took off as a oneyear old son. Yeah, but the
cop former cop, i should say, doesn't get that title anymore. Elias
Whuizar described five six, brown hair, brown eyes, silver two thousand and
nine Corolla. So the one yearold son he took off with was the
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son of the seventeen year old girlfriend. He does share two kids with the
ex wife he killed five and nineyears old. Well, this guy's just
a what a terrible person. Soshe, the ex wife, apparently,
went to the courts and said,this guy is completely harassing me. He
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won't leave me alone. I'm worriedabout the safety of my kids. She
ordered a or she requested a protectionorder, and those don't always work out
the way they should do they Okay, now some of the details here are
weird. Like you said, thisis apparently the son, the one year
old is the son that he hadwith the teenager, right right. There
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was another assault that took place aroundthat same time with this teenager's unconscious friend.
And then there is alleged to havebeen yet another sexual assault on a
teenager while she was sleeping in hishome in February of this year. It
seems like he had a party housefor his girlfriend and her friends. They
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say that there was a lot ofalcohol going on. He was charged with
producing alcohol to minor, all ofthese things, and he was free,
like he was out on bond.Like he's got this rape house where he
rapes these girls, one of whichhe impregnated. He's threatening his ex wife
and their children to the point ofher going to get a protection order,
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and he's just living his life outon bond. He apparently did have no
contact orders issued for the alleged victimsin the case described as teenagers because the
one in February, there was awitness to it, a witness that was
the one who reported it. Andthis no contact order would have been for
the two victims in that case,meaning that he wouldn't have been able to
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go within a thousand feet of theirschools, their homes, their workplaces,
are going to have any contact withminers under sixteen, and that the February
hearing that at that February hearing,the prosecutor said that the order would ban
contact between Wezar and his own child, which we now know is the one
that he is accused of having kidnapped, so they'll find this guy somewhere.
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We just hope that that one yearold is okay. I just can't believe
the people that are allowed to livetheir lives and walk around us despite the
law, knowing what they have donedespite it. Like that's why we're showing
themselves exactly. That's why we say, when you're locked up, you really
deserve to be locked up. Youare the worst of the worst. This
guy isn't even the worst of theworst, and he's pretty damn bad.
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All right, up next, nophone. No phones at LAPD's new headquarters.
We'll talk about that and what theproblems are. Also an update on
jelly roll. You've been listening tothe Gary and Shannon Show. You can
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This is Gary and Shannon and you'relistening to KFI AM six forty, the
Gary and Shannon Show on demand onthe iHeartRadio app. The Senate was headed
towards a critical vote today to tryto clear the way for final consideration of
that foreign aid package, the ninetyfive billion dollars of a Ukraine and Israel
and Taiwan, setting the stage forapproving the bill, and then of course
would send it to President Biden,who has said he would sign it.
(00:22):
It was passed by the House onSaturday. There's a test vote for it
early this afternoon DC time, sowithin a couple of hours, and they
may go through and finally pass itin the Senate later tonime. We will
coming up next go live to NewYork to get an update on Trump's trial.
And I've just got to say this. I've taken in a lot of
the coverage and the breathless liberal mediathat cannot get enough of this is doing
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nothing but actively campaigning for Donald Trump. They don't understand that. You don't
understand it. And the details thatthey're getting into are just ridiculous, Like,
oh, there's flat he's farting anopen court, and he had to
be woken up for the fourth timeand all of this just breathless coverage is
crazy. The most interesting part aboutit for me has been what his body
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is doing. I mean, beyondthe farting, but the whole. He
is leaning forward with most of hispressure on his right elbow at this point,
and his eyes are trained on DavidPecker. Dismissed jurors are being interviewed
outside. They're like, what didyou see from Donald Trump? And the
jurors are like, he was sittingto my left in front of me,
and okay, so he was tothe left. So let's go to our
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body language analysts. See, thisis the first picture we have Donald Trump
this morning in court. This isI'm sorry, I need to break in,
Jake Tapper, CNN. I'm sorry, I just need to break in.
I just want to point out toour viewers, this is the first
picture of Donald Trump in court thismorning. Like, we don't know what
the guy looks like, even thoughhe was holding court outside in the hallway
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and the Echoe hallway just ten minutesago. So we know what he's wearing,
we know what he looks like.We'll talry about that, okay,
Columbia University has now canceled in personclasses for the rest of this semester,
giving into pro Palestinian protesters who haveabsolutely taken over that campus. This is
at Columbia University where they're telling theirstudents we can no longer keep you safe.
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We telling Jewish team, yeah,telling Jewish students stay home for the
rest of the semester. Now nwhy you They also arrested dozens of protesters
overnight. We saw this at Yaleyesterday. The gates to Harvard Yard have
been closed. And guess what.It has finally come to some degree to
California. I'm sure there have beenprotests like this before, but this is
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the first time that somebody has takenover a building in California. At cal
Poly, not that cal Poly,the other cal Poly, and not even
that cal Poly, the col PolyHumboldt. Somebody walked in. There's about
fifty to sixty people. They setup a shanty town in Siemens Hall,
which is the administration building there aHumboldt, and what they did was they
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piled furniture by the front doors sothat law enforcement were not allowed in smart.
As of last night at about eighto'clock is when the CHP was called
in along with local police and sheriff'sdepartment. And then at about eleven o'clock,
just before eleven o'clock, I thinkit was, the radio call went
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out which was like guys, gohome. All the officers left, and
these morons sat in that Semen's Hall, administration hall and just continued to yell
things. Protesting is very American.I'm never against protesting unless it gets grotesque.
This has gotten grotesque because and I'mtrying to nail down this report,
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but I heard it this morning,just kind of on the radio and passing
when I'm getting ready, but thatthere was at least one protester with a
sign in front of a Jewish studentorganization saying like big sign Hamas's next target,
and then like pointing to them inwhat world is that? In?
What America? Is that? Okay? Could you imagine? And I heard
the comparison of a black student organizationand holding a sign saying KKK's next target,
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right, that would not be stoodfor, and somebody would come out
and say, as the leader ofthe country, this will not stand and
listen. Joe Biden was asked aboutthese protests yesterday and he said anti Semitism
has no room on college campuses.Oh, really, it doesn't, because
it looks like it's thriving. Theseimages that we've seen out of NYU and
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Columbia and Harvard and Yale, nowcal Pauly, Humboldt, it looks like
it's thriving, trending. It's atrendy thing to do now, rather than
you can't I if words are violence, right, you cannot criticize, question,
give side eye to somebody who saysthat they were born with female genitalia
(04:53):
but they are really a man.You can't get into that because you can't
question that because that's violence. Butyou can then advocate literally advocate for violence
and it's and it's not violence.How does it make sense? How vocal
let's take those two issues. Howvocal has this administration been about the small,
(05:15):
minuscule percentage of people that struggle withgender identity. How vocal have they
been in the past month as opposedto vocally standing against this kind of hate.
Well, it's it's apples, it'sapples and oranges here, and they've
been very vocal with the day ofthe day of what was it visibility,
(05:35):
you know, and that whole rigamaroleas opposed to not coming out immediately when
you see that image and say thiswill not stand here. Well now,
and now it's going to get downto money. Robert Kraft, one of
the billionaires who helps fund Columbia Universityand other schools, has said, no
school that allows this is going toget any more of my money. And
when the government finally steps in andsays you're going to lose all of your
(05:57):
federal grants, all of if youdon't crack down on this, you're going
to be starved. The pipeline iscut off, and you're going to see
people violently react to this. Imean, I don't go look to Alec
Baldwin for my moral compass necessarily.And yes I know he in my mind
was responsible for the death of thecinematographer on the set of that movie.
(06:20):
But for someone to have the ballsto confront him in a coffee shop and
you know he's a criminal. Comeon, just say free Palistine one time,
one time, just one time,please, and I'll leave you alone.
Okay, you know what he did, Please say it one time.
(06:41):
Could you give me one computer?That's the sound of him smacking the phone
out of her hand. He didn'tassault her, he didn't hit her.
He knocked the phone out of herhand. Because that woman believes that she
has the freedom and the power tojust yell at somebody, regardless of what
she knows about him. Well,I think that there's no better guy.
Actually she's trying to get a reaction. Then yes, yeah, I won't
(07:05):
come down on Alec. I thinkshe'd be yelled at in coffee shops forever,
Palestine or not, because he's justan a hole. All right,
coming up next, we only havea couple more hours. O milk,
Alec, Yeah, oat milk.Yeah, really, come on, say
oat milk. That's fine, sayit, say oat milk. Give me
an almond milk? Can he getcan you can you get there? Can
(07:25):
you get me an almond milk?Say no to cows? Just one.
David Pecker is on the stand,the publisher of the National Inquirer. He
is talking about reality TV. He'stalking about Bill Clinton and his dalliances with
women, and Hillary standing by.It looks like it's another day at the
(07:45):
circus in New York. Joining ustalk more about this. Mark Ramillard,
correspondent for ABC, news Mark.We started with the hearing this morning about
potential violations of the judges gag orders. How did that go? Yeah,
So the prosecution pointing to ten socialmedia posts that they say were violations of
the gag order. These were mostof these were last week during jury's election.
(08:09):
They involved posts or sometimes he wouldjust be quoting, not necessarily commenting,
but quoting other news commentators about someof the witnesses, particularly people like
Michael Cohen. Prosecutor's pointed those sayingthose are violations of the gag order.
And in fact they say that hiscomments, Trump's comments outside of court yesterday,
they're going to be they're going tofile additional motions saying that these were
(08:31):
violations as well. So Prosecutor's layingthat foundation in the arguments today. Then
Donald Trump's team came up to tryand defend those posts by basically saying that
these are political speech, that it'snothing more than him responding this is not
about the case. He's responding topolitical attacks. But the judge was skeptical
(08:52):
of that. At the very least, he was very skeptical of that as
being the argument these are just purepolitical speech. But at other time seemed
visibly irritated by the defense because itseemed as if they were not really answering
his question that he was trying toget them to show. Okay, you're
saying these are political political responses topolitical attacks on Donald Trump and not an
(09:13):
effort to influence the jurors or influenceany witnesses. Yet you're not able to
point to the post to which DonaldTrump is responding. So where are those
posts? And the judge seemed frustratedthat Todd Blanche, the attorney, couldn't
really point to them, or atleast didn't. And so at the end
of that hearing, the judge hasnot issue your ruling yet. He'll do
that later. But at the endof that hearing, as he wrapped it
(09:35):
up, he basically told the defense, you haven't given me a lot to
hang my hat on here, somight not look too good for the defense
at this point. Yeah, we'llhave to save for a conversation for later.
I don't know if you're a constitutionallaw expert, Mark, but it's
worth of conversation later, maybe duringswamp watch, when we can talk about
how the gag order is able toevade the First Amendment because it's large in
(09:58):
scope, this gag order. Itis not targeted, to say the least.
All Right, So David Pecker onthe stand now, any highlights.
Yeah, I think what you're seeingfrom David Pecker, which is really interesting,
right, because David Pecker is alongtime friend of Donald Trump, the
former publisher of the National Inquirer,and he's there under subpoena. He has
(10:20):
a non prosecution agreement with the prosecutors. But they still seem to be fairly
chummy. There were times that theykind of grinned at each other or smiled
at each other. You haven't seenDonald Trump point toward David Pecker in the
same way that you've seen kind ofthe vitriol from Trump toward Michael Cohen.
But what's interesting is the foundation thatPecker is laying here seems to be exactly
(10:43):
what the prosecutors want, which isto say that he is basically laying the
groundwork that in twenty fifteen, asPecker said that he met with Donald Trump
and Michael Cohen, Trump's former attorney, that they all met in Trump Tower
in twenty fifteen, and Pecker basicallyagreed that I will publish good stories about
Trump I will publish bad stories abouthis opponent. And then that they basically
(11:07):
agreed as well, that as Pecker'ssaying that if I hear of bad stories
out there against Trump, if Ihear bad things about Trump, I'll let
Michael Cohen know so we can coordinateand kill those stories. And so this
is kind of the exact scenario thatprosecutors are laying or are saying occurred in
these cases with Stormy Daniels and KarenMcDougall. And so. One thing also
(11:31):
as well was Pecker saying that priorto twenty sixteen, his magazine and his
tabloid never caught and killed any storiesfor Trump, but they started doing it
after these meetings with Trump and Cohenand Trump Towers. So I think,
again laying that foundation that there wasthis agreement among at least these three Trump,
Cohen, and Pecker to catch andkill stories. Well, do we
(11:54):
own any of who the second Iknow there was some question about whether the
prosecutors were going to publish a witnesslist before they actually call the people.
Do know who the second witness mightbe for the prosecution? I do not.
I have not seen that they've publisheda list, They've kept some of
this very close to the vest,and we know over the weekend there was
the prosecutor and said they didn't evenwant to reveal that Pecker was going to
(12:16):
be the first witness until Sunday nightbecause of their concerns that Trump would post
about it on social media. Andthe judge said that was reasonable. So
I don't know how, if orwhen we're going to see a full list
in that way, or if thisis just going to stay close to the
vest until we know people are calledMark Romollard, great reporting, as always,
appreciate it. Thank you both,you guys all right, and we'll
(12:39):
keep an eye on that gag orderruling. Prosecution asking that the judge hold
Trump in contempt for statements up toeleven wants the judged order sanctions, including
one thousand dollars fine per statement anda warning that Trump risks up to thirty
days in jail for any future violation. A suspect you shot in La County
shafest deputy in the back at astop light yesterday on the ten Freeway and
West CoV is still out there.Deputy Samuel Aspuro, forty three, shot
(13:03):
once in the back just about twoforty five yesterday while they stopped at a
red light sitting on a sheriff's motorcycle, Baranka and East Garvey Avenue. He
was in uniform, he was wearinghis bulletproof vest. They said he was
transported to a local hospital and hisstable, but they continue to look for
a suspect. They believe a whitesedan with tinted windows may have last been
(13:26):
headed westbound on the ten Freeway fromBaranka. Coming up at True Crime Tuesday.
Later in this show, we've gotmore details about that bloody ambush of
the two moms. New details abouthow the mother in law and her Gods
Misfits gang members lured them to theirdeaths using burner phones, stun guns,
and a bulldozer. Weird. Wetalked last week about how long you could
(13:50):
hold a plank? Yeah, didyou see the world record? No?
Okay, So last week we watchedsomebody on television, one of the morning
shows. I think it was Foxeleven. It was Fox eleven were doing
a plank contest. Now, Igot up to about three minute, minutes
and forty seven seconds, does prettygood. I went home and promptly check
smashed the record. I did threefifty four. Let me ask you a
(14:13):
quick procedural question. Was it handsup or on your elbow? It was
the way they did it on theelbow, so you brew it. I
was going to tell her, Iwas going to make don't look. I
didn't look at it yet. Ididn't look at it yet. It was
the same plank they did, sothe elbow, flat hands. Elbows and
flat hands, I find that tobe more challenging. By your full plank,
I agree. A woman in Albertaset a new record for the longest
(14:33):
time spent in an abdominal plank position. Again bent elbows. Take a wild
stab you wear three minutes and fortyfive seconds, fifty four sack minutes,
three minutes and fifty sorry, threefifty four. Sorry, And make no
mistake. This is not because Ihave abstract It's because I'm a competitive beast.
(14:54):
What was it? Was? Yourguess about the world Okay? Right?
The world record, I would sayis thirty two minutes, four hours,
thirty minutes, eleven seconds. Wow. Donna Jean Wild started doing planks
when she broke her wrist ten yearsago. So she couldn't do the straight
(15:15):
arms, she had to do iton her elbows wow, and needed something
to get her heart rate up.So she did. She broke the previous
record, which was four hours,nineteen minutes, and fifty five seconds.
I am such a loser. It'sgonna be a long afternoon for you.
Supreme Court yesterday wrestled with some prettymajor questions about the issue of homelessness when
(15:37):
it was considering whether cities, specificallyGrants Pass Oregon, can punish people for
sleeping outside when shelter space is lacking. Now, it's not as simple as
saying that, because the law inGrant's Pass that was passed says you can't
sleep outside with a blanket. Imean, it's something specific like that that
(15:58):
prompted this lead question and the CircuitCourt to wrestle with it, and then
all the way up to the SupremeCourt. They began finding people Grants pasted
two hundred and ninety five dollars forsleeping outside with a blanket or a pillow.
I believe it is. And theNinth Circuit Court of Appeals struck down
the law under it's holding that banningcamping in places without enough shelter beds would
(16:22):
be cruel and unusual punishment. Andwe saw from the questioning yesterday of the
Supreme Court Justices that there's a lotof There's a lot that goes into determining.
I mean, you can't just saysomeone's homeless. How do you determine
that? Do you determine it inthe day or at night? I hate
when they try to simplify this issue. We've talked about it several times.
(16:44):
It's a triage situation. There aredifferent problems for different homeless people, and
you have to treat those problems inorder to get them to a place of
living in society. To say it'sas simple as as sleeping outside of crime
is ignoring that idea. It's ignoringthat very real truth. It's not a
housing issue. It's not a sleepingas a biological necessity, as Elena Kagan
(17:10):
said, issue, it's a myriadof issues. And to say that it
is one thing, or to eventake a look at it through that one
specific lens, doesn't do anybody anyfavors now, and we've seen that because
how many billions of dollars have wereported over the last couple of years that
get spent on homelessness issues. Butbecause there's no one who wants to address
(17:32):
it for what it really is.The money just gets there's nothing to show
for it except for all the peoplewho are said to want to fix the
problem who get their pockets lined withcash. Justice Brett Kavanaugh came out as
kind of a I guess, amoderate voice on this. He was questioning
whether ticketing people for camping helps ifthere aren't enough shelter beds to hold everyone,
(17:55):
but also was concerned about the federalcourts coming in with blanket pola.
He didn't e didn't want the federalgovernment with a giant hammer dealing with the
micromanagement of a situation like that.John Roberts saying, why would you think
these nine people are the best peopleto judge and way these policy judgments?
Asking the Biden administration's lawyer that uhtalking about the biological necessity that Atlena Kagan
(18:18):
brought up, Neil Gorsich says,well, if there are no public bathroom
facilities, do people have an EighthAmendment right to defecate and urinate outdoors?
Right? Exactly? Uh? Yeah, And the question, you know,
one of the write ups that Isaw about this on Sunday afternoon when I
was reading up on it, wasyou can't. You can't make homelessness an
(18:41):
issue, are a criminal act ifthey have nowhere else to go. Well,
wait a minute. Let you're assumingthat people have lost all mobility or
people have and I know it takesmoney to move, I get it,
But the idea that Grant's Pass isthe last place that those people can live
is not right. It's not true. There was a write up, a
(19:04):
breathless ride up. I don't knowif you saw it yesterday, but in
the New York Times or Washington Post. One of them took a very sympathetic
look at the people who live inGrant's Pass. Gloria now sleeps in the
outfield where her son used to playLittle League twenty five years ago, and
the other guy sleeps in a parknear where his teenage brother drowned twenty years
(19:25):
ago. Well, there's a lotthat goes on in those ensuing twenty one
Gloria get into since the Little Leaguedajactly, but they don't talk about that.
They just talked about for bed thenignoring those problems. As we've said
countless times, does nobody any favors. Like I said, if I come
in here with a needle hanging outof my arm. I'd like you to
address my heroin problem instead of ignoringit, because if you ignore it,
(19:48):
I'm going to come in on Thursdayand I'm going to have a needle hanging
out of my arm, maybe two. And where does that get me?
Hi? And probably dead, Kerry. I mean you'll be a little before
you get dead. Non's on howfast you push those meds? Push those
meds? What are you a heronexpert? Now, I don't like to
bring Oh I'm gone for one dayand you develop heroin knowledge, I'll draw
(20:12):
you a picture of a hot rail. I don't know if that's an impossible
thing. There was a little issuewith the bringing up of Steve Bannon's name.
Apparently the prosecutor had asked David Pecker, the National Inquirer former publisher,
if Steve Bannon ever asked him torun any articles, and Trump's attorney objected
(20:33):
and wanted a sidebar. They cameback and he explained the Trump attorney did
that the defense is objecting to theline of questioning about Bannon. The government
is eliciting hearsay statements from Steve Bannonas the declarant they're being offered for their
truth. Also, noted that defensedid not receive notice that prosecutors would be
offering Bannon as a co conspirator,and said that Donald Trump is not charged
(20:56):
with any conspiracy, so that issuewas they moved on from that issued.
Trump actually left the courtroom for ashort time and they're going to be like
Shannon said, back on the witnessstand. Here in a second wild story
out of Washington State, a massivemanhunt on the in progress from Washington State.
They believe threw into Mexico because theythink this guy may be taking off
(21:18):
there. But it's an ex schoolcop. He served in the department for
about seven years, from twenty fourteenon at a local middle school in Yakima.
There in Washington, he is onthe run. He allegedly shot and
killed his ex wife at her elementaryschool and then his seventeen year old girlfriend
(21:40):
at his home just moments from thatschool. On the same day. He
was due to face rape charges onraping his girlfriend who's seventeen and her unconscious
friend at a party who was sixteen. No doubt this guy is definitely armed,
dangerous, and they say likely tocommit more crimes. Washington State Patrol
(22:03):
put out this Amber alert for theboy also two feet tall. I mean
he's he took off as a oneyear old son. Yeah, but the
cop former cop, i should say, doesn't get that title anymore. Elias
Whuizar described five six, brown hair, brown eyes, silver two thousand and
nine Corolla. So the one yearold son he took off with was the
(22:26):
son of the seventeen year old girlfriend. He does share two kids with the
ex wife he killed five and nineyears old. Well, this guy's just
a what a terrible person. Soshe, the ex wife, apparently,
went to the courts and said,this guy is completely harassing me. He
(22:47):
won't leave me alone. I'm worriedabout the safety of my kids. She
ordered a or she requested a protectionorder, and those don't always work out
the way they should do they Okay, now some of the details here are
weird. Like you said, thisis apparently the son, the one year
old is the son that he hadwith the teenager, right right. There
(23:08):
was another assault that took place aroundthat same time with this teenager's unconscious friend.
And then there is alleged to havebeen yet another sexual assault on a
teenager while she was sleeping in hishome in February of this year. It
seems like he had a party housefor his girlfriend and her friends. They
(23:32):
say that there was a lot ofalcohol going on. He was charged with
producing alcohol to minor, all ofthese things, and he was free,
like he was out on bond.Like he's got this rape house where he
rapes these girls, one of whichhe impregnated. He's threatening his ex wife
and their children to the point ofher going to get a protection order,
(23:52):
and he's just living his life outon bond. He apparently did have no
contact orders issued for the alleged victimsin the case described as teenagers because the
one in February, there was awitness to it, a witness that was
the one who reported it. Andthis no contact order would have been for
the two victims in that case,meaning that he wouldn't have been able to
(24:14):
go within a thousand feet of theirschools, their homes, their workplaces,
are going to have any contact withminers under sixteen, and that the February
hearing that at that February hearing,the prosecutor said that the order would ban
contact between Wezar and his own child, which we now know is the one
that he is accused of having kidnapped, so they'll find this guy somewhere.
(24:36):
We just hope that that one yearold is okay. I just can't believe
the people that are allowed to livetheir lives and walk around us despite the
law, knowing what they have donedespite it. Like that's why we're showing
themselves exactly. That's why we say, when you're locked up, you really
deserve to be locked up. Youare the worst of the worst. This
guy isn't even the worst of theworst, and he's pretty damn bad.
(24:56):
All right, up next, nophone. No phones at LAPD's new headquarters.
We'll talk about that and what theproblems are. Also an update on
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