June 11, 2024 • 24 mins
Fox 11’s Marla Tellez fills in for Shannon! Gary and Marla start off the show with the news of Hunter Biden being found guilty on all three charges in his felony gun trial. ABC’s Derricke Dennis joins the show to talk about the details in the Hunter Biden verdict. Recently released audio of Justice Samuel Alito appears to capture him talking about the limits of the investigation the Supreme Court conducted into the leak of his draft majority opinion in the 2022 case that ended the federal constitutional right to abortion.
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This is Gary and Shannon, andyou're listening to kf I AM six forty,
The Gary and Shannon Show on demandon the iHeartRadio app. Gary and
Shannon kf I AM six forty Liveeverywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Still trying
to figure out what June eleventh means, I'm missing You're convinced that it's something
a date on the calendar, missinga birthday. I'm missing something something.
(00:20):
But welcome to July eleventh, marlteezIn Shannon Today, June is what it
is. It is. As Isaid a little bit ago, I do
think it's your hung up on theeleventh, because July eleventh is when former
President Trump that is. And Idid say that a couple of times today
because I thought it would be greatif the Hunter Biden sentencing also happened on
(00:42):
July eleventh. That would be quiteIt wouldn't even surprise me anymore. Quite
the show, all right. Sothe big story, obviously, I don't
know why they couldn't wait until nine, But the big story is that Hunter
Biden has been found guilty on allthree counts in his federal gun case.
Joey Jackson, former prosecutor, mentionedit this morning on CNN. Obviously,
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the jury having to make three differentdecisions. Number one, did you lie
to a licensed firearm deal? Arethey concluding the jury that is yes.
Number two, did you lie inthe form with respect to your addiction?
The jury concluding yes. And numberthree as it relates to not only the
lie and everything else, but theillegality of possession, they said yes.
Interesting point also from Joey Jackson aboutthe potential for a jury nullification. He
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said that was an option for themin this case, and that would be
similar to well, when we sawwhat year and we saw them going through
and asking the jury roars about theiror potential jurors at the time about their
own attitudes about drugs, and youknow, almost all of them, i
think said, or all of themsaid that they had somebody in their family
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that had dealt with addiction or drugproblems, alcohol problems, something like that.
And Joey Jackson, this former prosecutor, was saying when he heard that,
he immediately thought this could end upwith a jury nullification, which is
basically where the jury says, yes, we think Hodter Biden is guilty of
these three counts, but we're goingto give him a break because addiction is
so horrible, it's rampant, andI mean, I didn't even think that
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that was a thing, but hewas saying that that was definitely a possibility
for him. Yeah. So thesesix men, six women found him guilty
on all three and lightning quick.An hour yesterday, two hours today,
total of three hours of deliberations,no questions asked, none of the judge,
which is not what we saw,of course of former President Trump when,
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by the way, he was foundguilty on thirty four fellony counts.
That was twelve days ago. Sowhat a world in which we are living
right now. This is the firsttime, of course, a son of
a sitting president has been convicted infederal court. Abby Low certain to appeal.
Yeah, and along those lines,there is going to be an interesting
issue here with the appeal. JonathanTurley, constitutional scholar, heard from him
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many times about this sort of stuff, and he was on Fox saying the
specific argument that they have will relyon the Second Amendment, which is ironic
because Hunter Biden, he's here usingthe Second Amendment to try to defend himself
while his dad in the White Househas been trying to amend the same rules
that Hunter Biden would use to defendhimself. What's fascinating about that appellate process
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is that Hunter Biden has taken anargument from the National Rifle Association. He's
actually arguing an NRA point challenging thisgun law, which his father has been
a great advocate of and has actuallycalled for greater punishment for these types of
gun violations. He's Hunter Biden hasbeen arguing the NRA position on the Second
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Amendment that he has a broad SecondAmendment right that was a bridge by this
prosecution. He's likely to continue thatargument. And again, we don't know
the timing of sentencing here necessarily wehaven't heard anything out of the court.
But there's also the issue of whenit comes to sentencing, what kind of
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crime or are sorry, what kindof sentences called for in the federal system
with these crimes. Well, sohe could face up to twenty five years,
which we know that's not going tohappen, right, like you said
yesterday, Yeah, first time offender, Yeah, we know of right,
and a fine of up to sevenhundred and fifty thousand also highly unlikely.
Right, so you know the appealcoming. But then they're saying at least
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fifteen to twenty one months is whatI saw for prison time, again seemingly
unlikely. And by the way,this is not the only trial, right,
So he's coming out here in SeptemberSeptember fifth, two months before the
general election. Brian Buckmeyer is thelegal analyst for ABC News. None of
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these charges have a mandatory minimum.Not only does his defense attorney have the
ability to argue this is a nonviolent crime. Yes, it involves a
gun, but it involves the unlawfulpossession of it, not that he used
it unlawfully. This also, atits heart involves substance abuse, which in
many forms is a form of disorder. And then, like you mentioned,
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this is not the only trial.He's got, this tax trial in September
out here in la This verdict couldvery clearly have an impact on that.
Another former prosecutor named Andrew Tcherkaski says, the fact that now Hunter Biden is
a convicted felon plays into the waythe defense has to pay attention to the
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charges or how they develop their casefor these tax charges. Well, I
think that the credibility of Hunter Bidenand the decisions that he makes certainly has
kind of hit ahead at this point. So as he looks into that tax
trial, this is something that undercertain conditions could be used against him.
Certainly if he were to testify,this could come out. The way in
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which he was making the decisions allplay into that now. I mean he
does mention if Hunter Biden testifies inthat upcoming tax trial, that is also
a very unlikely thing. We sawthat, you know yesterday, We knew
that he wasn't going to testify inthis case. So there's no I don't
think that changes the calculus of whetherhe testifies in that case. No.
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And by the way, for thosewho may not know, because it's hard
to keep track of all of this, is he allegedly engaged in a scheme
in which he did not pay atleast one point four million and self assessed
taxes from twenty sixteen through twenty nineteen. So there is more to come on
that. Again, that would betwo months before the general election. And
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also about his sentencing hearing for today'sverdict, the judge that it usually takes
about one hundred and twenty days.That's four months, so that would be
in October. I need a flowchart. The jury just about an hour
ago. A little less than anhour ago, delivered the verdict in the
Hunter Biden gun trial, guilty onall three counts. Derek Dennis is joining
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us live from ABC News, andDerek, we spent just the first segment
of the show talking a little bitabout the updates. But let's get some
of the details about these specific chargesthat he's been found guilty of. Now,
sure, so the three counts,making a false statement in the purchase
of a firearm, making a falsestatement to a Federal Firearms licensed dealer,
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and possession of a firearm by anunlawful user. Those are the charges,
and now the verdicts against Hunter Biden, guilty on all three counts. ABC
News had a team inside the courtroomand watched as the verdicts were read.
Hunter Biden and his wife were incourt by themselves, and it seemed,
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according to our court watchers, theywere taken aback struck, shocked by the
verdict, the guilty verdicts against HunterBiden. But you know, he'll have
to be sentenced at a later date. Court watchers have said that they don't
expect him to do any real jailtime. He faces up to twenty five
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years in prison, but as afirst time non violent offender, he's not
expected to do any time behind bars. What do we expect from Abby Lowell?
An appeal? How quickly? Andthen also and is it just as
it is in New York where youhave to wait till sentencing to appeal and
reaction from Biden himself. Hunter,you said that his family was shocked,
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but was he well, yeah,so the appeal has already been said,
that there will be an appeal byHunter Biden's defense attorneys. President Biden came
out with a statement within the lasthour basically is also saying that there will
be an appeal, but saying hesupports the justice system as it is.
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He supports the fact that the juryrender it's a verdict, but said also
that he would not pardon his sonand that he would not interfere in that
way at all. But he loveshis son. And so that was the
statement essentially from President Biden regarding theguilty verdicts against his son Hunter. Today.
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Is this we've seen in the contextof former President Trump's felony conviction from
ten days ago. We've seen thethings, you know, it could impact
his hotels and golf courses, andtheir liquor licenses. He may have to
give up his we you know,the right to own a weapon in New
York that kind of stuff. DoesIs there any of those impacts for Hunter
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Biden going forward? Sure, soowning a gun is certainly that would be
impacted, but different from the formerpresident in that the former President hunter Biden
two different individuals, two different levelshere. We want to you know,
a private citizen the son of apresident, of course, but former President
Trump, you know, is runningfor office again and so the stakes for
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his convictions are so much higher andthat is really the difference here. And
also the former president being found guiltyof, you know, falsifying business records
and the payoff to foreign actress StormyDaniels, but to do so to keep
it from voters who were considering himfor the twenty sixteen election. So there
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was the added issue of election interferenceby the president himself at the time the
former president regarding that payoff to StormyDaniels. So very different cases for sure.
And another different case, of courseis his tax trial that's coming up
in September, so there's that aswell. Absolutely, So yeah, I
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mean, you know, Hunter Bidenstill faces other charges, you know,
and so we could very well seeyou know him in court again. We're
expecting that in the fall and thenin the new year. So certainly not
the last we've seen of Hunter Biden. All right, Derek, thank you,
appreciate your time. Sure, DerekDennis there live from New York with
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the latest on Hunter Biden's guilty verdict. Yeah, this is the timing of
it. You mentioned the calendar needinga flow chart to figure all of this
out. That when you layer this, which I mean in terms of the
impact, is much less impactful thanformer President Trump's criminal trials. I mean,
just in terms of the history ofthe United States, this is still
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going to be a mess. Itdoesn't get cleaner at all for Joe Biden.
Getting closer to the election, theseare going to be brought up in
this debate that's coming up to twentytwenty seventh, which I saw today a
headline. People are already suggesting thatthis is going to be more important than
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Kennedy Nixons, which we didn't knowwere as important, you know, in
the moment, we didn't know thatthey were that important. Now we look
back on them as sort of agroundbreaking way that Americans decided who they were
going to vote for. I justthis is it gets messier from this point.
Yeah, and just under five monthsuntil the general election. I hear
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all the pundits saying, that's somuch time. But it's going to fly
by, and with another trial,with sentencing, it's just going to go
buy in a blink of banay.So June twenty seventh, and if nothing
else, just the sheer amount thevolume of information that's coming at us over
the next five months, everything isgoing to be compressed. We're going to
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figure out We're going to end upin COVID time again where we didn't know
what o'clock it was for what daypay and came? And what about the
polls? The polls right now inbattleground states, Trump has a slight lead
now and all of them essentially andthen but overall Biden is inching his way
back. This is all what wontwo points, all within the margin of
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their It's a tightrope. Hey hunter. Biden now convicted of all three felony
charges related to the purchase of agun back in twenty eighteen. We found
out the verdict early this morning whenthe jury came back a lot quicker than
anybody expected. It was about threehours of liberations. Yeah, one hour
yesterday, two hours this morning.The judge has not yet set a sentencing
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date. Secretary of State Anthony Blincolnsays the Security Council vote in favor of
a US back proposal for a ceasefirein Gaza has made it as clear as
it possibly could be that the worldsupports the plan. It was fourteen to
nothing vote. There's fifteen members ofthis Security Council. I believe that it
was Russia that abstained didn't vote onebut not the other. Blincoln spoke today
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during his latest visit to the MiddleEast, his eighth since the October seventh
attack that started all this. AndI know at the top of the are
will talk about locally with more protestson college campuses down the street at UCLA.
And it was bloody in a certainway yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,
Well, we've seen this type ofjournalism before. Someone surreptitiously records a politician,
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a celebrity, a personality, anewsmaker of some kind, and then
says, oh, they said themost ridiculous things. In this case,
it is a woman by the nameof Lauren wah Windsor a filmmaker, and
she got Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alitoto say some things or to agree with
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some things, which is an importantdistinction. But she went to the Supreme
Court Historical Society's annual dinner on Junethird and disguised herself or or presented herself
as a conservative filmmaker and started talkingwith Justice Alito and his wife. And
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to be sure, she's a liberalactivist, liberal activist who is trying to
gotcha on this now infamous judge andhis wife, Supreme Court justice and his
wife, because of the flags andbecause so it's important to point out now
the Rolling Stone article is very onesided. Rolling Stone, not surprisingly,
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is very one sided and suggests thatSamuel Alito is some sort of white Christian
nationalist who wants to return America toa godly state. Okay, the third
let's see one. Two. Yeah. The third paragraph in the Washington Post
about these same recordings that this womanmade points out that it was after prodding
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that the justice apparently said one sideor other is going to win, talking
about how polarized we are as anation, and then endorsed her contention.
Again, this is Lauren Windsor whosaid that the nation needs to return to
godliness, and his response was,yes, I believe that. I believe
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that I agree with you. Essentially, Again, it's one of those it's
a situation. Does that mean SamuelAlito believes what this woman was saying.
Maybe, But it's important to pointout he did not say these things unprompted.
This woman is laying in front ofhim paragraphs, statements, things that
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she wants to catch him saying,and he's not saying them, he's agreeing
with them. And in my mind, that's a big distinction. Well,
and the legality of this whole thing. She went on CNN because she was
questioned about this, and she says, this is completely legal what I did,
right, because it's in Washington,d c. And the rule of
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law there is it's one party consent, one party consent, which means one
person has to have knowledge that they'rebeing recorded. She's obviously the person who
knows that the conversation is being recorded. In California, doesn't exist that California
is a two party state when itcomes to recording like that. Yeah,
So he went on the record withher saying, again, I think you're
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probably right, one side or theother is going to win. This is
a direct quote, he says,quote, I mean there could be there
can be a way of working,a way of living together peacefully. Right,
it's difficult because there are differences onfundamental things that can't be compromised.
So it's not like you're going tosplit the difference. Again, that's a
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neutral comment that that's not a oneside. That's a neutral comment about the
state of the United States of America. Yeah, it's divisive, it's there
are chinks in the armor right now. And then that's not it. She
goes to his wife. Oh yeah. In a recording of Alito's wife made
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at that same event, she madelengthy, impassioned comments about this flag controversy
that's been going on. So we'llhave to come back and talk more about
that what she said specifically about it. Also, she's the wife of a
Supreme Court justice. She has noofficial position in the United States government,
nor does she write opinions when itcomes to the Supreme Court. But now
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we pay attention to what she's saying. But she gives a strong opinion to
Windsor. All right, So we'retalking about the story originally published in the
Enrolling Stone by a liberal documentary filmmaker, a woman named Lauren Windsor. She
was able to get into the SupremeCourt Historical Society's annual dinner, and it's
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a rare occasion for people to kindof meet and chat with conservative Supreme Court
justices most likely, and she wasgoing to go there with the full intent
of catching Samuel Alito saying something thatshe thought was so she leads him down
this path of polarizing politics in theUnited States. Is there a way to
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fix it? She said something alongthe lines of the people who believe in
God have to keep fighting to returnour country to a place of godliness.
And knowing who she is, andI'm surprised she didn't barf when she said
that, because that's so anathema towhat she believes in. Now she says
again, people who believe in Godhave to keep fighting to return our country
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to a place of godliness. AndSamuel Alito says, I agree with you.
I agree with you. It's important. Again, I think it's important.
A distinction, he's not the onewho said it. Can start the
conversation, right, but he's notthe one who started the conversation and this
is after she he hammered him aboutthe leak of the Supreme Court with the
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Roe v. Wade overturning of that. Why wasn't anybody held accountable? Right?
And he's basically saying, we're nota law enforcement agency. You know,
we did what we could to tryto figure that out. Then she
hammers him about this and which thenshe finally gets him to say, with
the return to our country to bea place of godliness, I agree with
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you. I agree with you.Then she turns to missus Alito, who's
been caught up in the flag controversy. Yeah, Martha Ann was. The
Justice said that it was Martha Annwho was responsible for flying the flag upside
down at their home in Virginia.This would have been a couple of weeks
after the attack on the Capitol inJanuary sixth and the appeal to Heaven flag
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at their vacation home in New Jersey, which I still don't understand why people
are making a big deal out ofthat. I know it was carried on
the steps of the Capitol on Januarysixth. There were a lot of flags
that were carried on the Capitol onJanuary sixth, and the Justice said in
a letter to Congress that he isnot quote fond of flying flags and that
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his wife put them up right,and there's somebody in Congress has to go
like this. I get it,Yeah, my wife does. My husband
does it like something like there's somebodywho should stand up on his behalf.
Now, she Martha Ann Alito toldLauren Windsor in a recording quote, I
want a sacred Heart of Jesus flagbecause I have to look across the lagoon
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at the Pride flag for the nextmonth. Now. She was apparently referring
to the vacation home on the Jerseyshore. And then she goes on to
say that when her husband is freeof this nonsense, she used that phrase,
she will continue to fly her banners. I'm putting it up and I'm
going to send them a message everyday, maybe every week. I'll be
changing the flags. Again, Whydo we care that much about what Martha
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Ann Alito decides to put on theflagpole? Well, she also told Windsor,
quote, he never controls me.I mean it's a husband wife.
Okay. Now again, if ifjust to completely paint with a broad brush,
if Lauren Windsor is this liberal documentaryfilmmaker. She's standing up for Martha
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and Alito. Where she goes,your strong sister, you take power and
don't let your husband tell you whereto go or what to think or what
to fly. But she thinks thatLaura Windsor thinks that this is like I
got him. They believe in God? How dare they? Yeah? I
mean this is an absolute gotcha.I gotcha. She posted this on Twitter
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just yesterday, rolling Stone picking itup, getting the exclusive on this,
and as you pointed out, veryone sided. And I do not like
this kind of journalism. I donot think it's fair to the people.
And I think it can be writtenup the way you see it in Rolling
Stone and even in Washington Post alittle bit. It's written up as if
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Samuel Alito walks around parties and saysit is time to return the country to
a place of godlinness, and that'snot what he's doing. But she also
went after John Roberts. She talkedto him, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she talked to him, right,and she wanted to get him to
say the same thing, Yeah,that the Supreme Court quote should be guiding
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America on a path as a Christiannation and the Chief Justice said, I
don't know that. We live ina Christian nation. I know a lot
of Jewish and Muslim friends who wouldsay maybe not. It's not our job
to do that. It's our jobto decide the cases as best we can.
Listen, John Roberts smartly avoided andI don't know if he knew something
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was up. I don't know ifhow did she get in in the first
place? How did she RSVP?I haven't seen that yet. So and
I don't like it when when JamesO'Keeffe does it for Project Veritas. I
don't This kind of journalism is nottrue to what it's It's a shortcut,
I think a lot of times,and then can be blown out of proportion.
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Shannon kf I AM six forty Liveeverywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Still trying
to figure out what June eleventh means, I'm missing You're convinced that it's something
a date on the calendar, missinga birthday. I'm missing something something.
(00:20):
But welcome to July eleventh, marlteezIn Shannon Today, June is what it
is. It is. As Isaid a little bit ago, I do
think it's your hung up on theeleventh, because July eleventh is when former
President Trump that is. And Idid say that a couple of times today
because I thought it would be greatif the Hunter Biden sentencing also happened on
(00:42):
July eleventh. That would be quiteIt wouldn't even surprise me anymore. Quite
the show, all right. Sothe big story, obviously, I don't
know why they couldn't wait until nine, But the big story is that Hunter
Biden has been found guilty on allthree counts in his federal gun case.
Joey Jackson, former prosecutor, mentionedit this morning on CNN. Obviously,
(01:02):
the jury having to make three differentdecisions. Number one, did you lie
to a licensed firearm deal? Arethey concluding the jury that is yes.
Number two, did you lie inthe form with respect to your addiction?
The jury concluding yes. And numberthree as it relates to not only the
lie and everything else, but theillegality of possession, they said yes.
Interesting point also from Joey Jackson aboutthe potential for a jury nullification. He
(01:26):
said that was an option for themin this case, and that would be
similar to well, when we sawwhat year and we saw them going through
and asking the jury roars about theiror potential jurors at the time about their
own attitudes about drugs, and youknow, almost all of them, i
think said, or all of themsaid that they had somebody in their family
(01:48):
that had dealt with addiction or drugproblems, alcohol problems, something like that.
And Joey Jackson, this former prosecutor, was saying when he heard that,
he immediately thought this could end upwith a jury nullification, which is
basically where the jury says, yes, we think Hodter Biden is guilty of
these three counts, but we're goingto give him a break because addiction is
so horrible, it's rampant, andI mean, I didn't even think that
(02:13):
that was a thing, but hewas saying that that was definitely a possibility
for him. Yeah. So thesesix men, six women found him guilty
on all three and lightning quick.An hour yesterday, two hours today,
total of three hours of deliberations,no questions asked, none of the judge,
which is not what we saw,of course of former President Trump when,
(02:34):
by the way, he was foundguilty on thirty four fellony counts.
That was twelve days ago. Sowhat a world in which we are living
right now. This is the firsttime, of course, a son of
a sitting president has been convicted infederal court. Abby Low certain to appeal.
Yeah, and along those lines,there is going to be an interesting
issue here with the appeal. JonathanTurley, constitutional scholar, heard from him
(03:00):
many times about this sort of stuff, and he was on Fox saying the
specific argument that they have will relyon the Second Amendment, which is ironic
because Hunter Biden, he's here usingthe Second Amendment to try to defend himself
while his dad in the White Househas been trying to amend the same rules
that Hunter Biden would use to defendhimself. What's fascinating about that appellate process
(03:23):
is that Hunter Biden has taken anargument from the National Rifle Association. He's
actually arguing an NRA point challenging thisgun law, which his father has been
a great advocate of and has actuallycalled for greater punishment for these types of
gun violations. He's Hunter Biden hasbeen arguing the NRA position on the Second
(03:49):
Amendment that he has a broad SecondAmendment right that was a bridge by this
prosecution. He's likely to continue thatargument. And again, we don't know
the timing of sentencing here necessarily wehaven't heard anything out of the court.
But there's also the issue of whenit comes to sentencing, what kind of
(04:14):
crime or are sorry, what kindof sentences called for in the federal system
with these crimes. Well, sohe could face up to twenty five years,
which we know that's not going tohappen, right, like you said
yesterday, Yeah, first time offender, Yeah, we know of right,
and a fine of up to sevenhundred and fifty thousand also highly unlikely.
Right, so you know the appealcoming. But then they're saying at least
(04:39):
fifteen to twenty one months is whatI saw for prison time, again seemingly
unlikely. And by the way,this is not the only trial, right,
So he's coming out here in SeptemberSeptember fifth, two months before the
general election. Brian Buckmeyer is thelegal analyst for ABC News. None of
(05:00):
these charges have a mandatory minimum.Not only does his defense attorney have the
ability to argue this is a nonviolent crime. Yes, it involves a
gun, but it involves the unlawfulpossession of it, not that he used
it unlawfully. This also, atits heart involves substance abuse, which in
many forms is a form of disorder. And then, like you mentioned,
(05:21):
this is not the only trial.He's got, this tax trial in September
out here in la This verdict couldvery clearly have an impact on that.
Another former prosecutor named Andrew Tcherkaski says, the fact that now Hunter Biden is
a convicted felon plays into the waythe defense has to pay attention to the
(05:44):
charges or how they develop their casefor these tax charges. Well, I
think that the credibility of Hunter Bidenand the decisions that he makes certainly has
kind of hit ahead at this point. So as he looks into that tax
trial, this is something that undercertain conditions could be used against him.
Certainly if he were to testify,this could come out. The way in
(06:06):
which he was making the decisions allplay into that now. I mean he
does mention if Hunter Biden testifies inthat upcoming tax trial, that is also
a very unlikely thing. We sawthat, you know yesterday, We knew
that he wasn't going to testify inthis case. So there's no I don't
think that changes the calculus of whetherhe testifies in that case. No.
(06:27):
And by the way, for thosewho may not know, because it's hard
to keep track of all of this, is he allegedly engaged in a scheme
in which he did not pay atleast one point four million and self assessed
taxes from twenty sixteen through twenty nineteen. So there is more to come on
that. Again, that would betwo months before the general election. And
(06:49):
also about his sentencing hearing for today'sverdict, the judge that it usually takes
about one hundred and twenty days.That's four months, so that would be
in October. I need a flowchart. The jury just about an hour
ago. A little less than anhour ago, delivered the verdict in the
Hunter Biden gun trial, guilty onall three counts. Derek Dennis is joining
(07:12):
us live from ABC News, andDerek, we spent just the first segment
of the show talking a little bitabout the updates. But let's get some
of the details about these specific chargesthat he's been found guilty of. Now,
sure, so the three counts,making a false statement in the purchase
of a firearm, making a falsestatement to a Federal Firearms licensed dealer,
(07:33):
and possession of a firearm by anunlawful user. Those are the charges,
and now the verdicts against Hunter Biden, guilty on all three counts. ABC
News had a team inside the courtroomand watched as the verdicts were read.
Hunter Biden and his wife were incourt by themselves, and it seemed,
(07:56):
according to our court watchers, theywere taken aback struck, shocked by the
verdict, the guilty verdicts against HunterBiden. But you know, he'll have
to be sentenced at a later date. Court watchers have said that they don't
expect him to do any real jailtime. He faces up to twenty five
(08:16):
years in prison, but as afirst time non violent offender, he's not
expected to do any time behind bars. What do we expect from Abby Lowell?
An appeal? How quickly? Andthen also and is it just as
it is in New York where youhave to wait till sentencing to appeal and
reaction from Biden himself. Hunter,you said that his family was shocked,
(08:39):
but was he well, yeah,so the appeal has already been said,
that there will be an appeal byHunter Biden's defense attorneys. President Biden came
out with a statement within the lasthour basically is also saying that there will
be an appeal, but saying hesupports the justice system as it is.
(09:00):
He supports the fact that the juryrender it's a verdict, but said also
that he would not pardon his sonand that he would not interfere in that
way at all. But he loveshis son. And so that was the
statement essentially from President Biden regarding theguilty verdicts against his son Hunter. Today.
(09:20):
Is this we've seen in the contextof former President Trump's felony conviction from
ten days ago. We've seen thethings, you know, it could impact
his hotels and golf courses, andtheir liquor licenses. He may have to
give up his we you know,the right to own a weapon in New
York that kind of stuff. DoesIs there any of those impacts for Hunter
(09:43):
Biden going forward? Sure, soowning a gun is certainly that would be
impacted, but different from the formerpresident in that the former President hunter Biden
two different individuals, two different levelshere. We want to you know,
a private citizen the son of apresident, of course, but former President
Trump, you know, is runningfor office again and so the stakes for
(10:09):
his convictions are so much higher andthat is really the difference here. And
also the former president being found guiltyof, you know, falsifying business records
and the payoff to foreign actress StormyDaniels, but to do so to keep
it from voters who were considering himfor the twenty sixteen election. So there
(10:30):
was the added issue of election interferenceby the president himself at the time the
former president regarding that payoff to StormyDaniels. So very different cases for sure.
And another different case, of courseis his tax trial that's coming up
in September, so there's that aswell. Absolutely, So yeah, I
(10:52):
mean, you know, Hunter Bidenstill faces other charges, you know,
and so we could very well seeyou know him in court again. We're
expecting that in the fall and thenin the new year. So certainly not
the last we've seen of Hunter Biden. All right, Derek, thank you,
appreciate your time. Sure, DerekDennis there live from New York with
(11:13):
the latest on Hunter Biden's guilty verdict. Yeah, this is the timing of
it. You mentioned the calendar needinga flow chart to figure all of this
out. That when you layer this, which I mean in terms of the
impact, is much less impactful thanformer President Trump's criminal trials. I mean,
just in terms of the history ofthe United States, this is still
(11:37):
going to be a mess. Itdoesn't get cleaner at all for Joe Biden.
Getting closer to the election, theseare going to be brought up in
this debate that's coming up to twentytwenty seventh, which I saw today a
headline. People are already suggesting thatthis is going to be more important than
(11:58):
Kennedy Nixons, which we didn't knowwere as important, you know, in
the moment, we didn't know thatthey were that important. Now we look
back on them as sort of agroundbreaking way that Americans decided who they were
going to vote for. I justthis is it gets messier from this point.
Yeah, and just under five monthsuntil the general election. I hear
(12:22):
all the pundits saying, that's somuch time. But it's going to fly
by, and with another trial,with sentencing, it's just going to go
buy in a blink of banay.So June twenty seventh, and if nothing
else, just the sheer amount thevolume of information that's coming at us over
the next five months, everything isgoing to be compressed. We're going to
(12:43):
figure out We're going to end upin COVID time again where we didn't know
what o'clock it was for what daypay and came? And what about the
polls? The polls right now inbattleground states, Trump has a slight lead
now and all of them essentially andthen but overall Biden is inching his way
back. This is all what wontwo points, all within the margin of
(13:03):
their It's a tightrope. Hey hunter. Biden now convicted of all three felony
charges related to the purchase of agun back in twenty eighteen. We found
out the verdict early this morning whenthe jury came back a lot quicker than
anybody expected. It was about threehours of liberations. Yeah, one hour
yesterday, two hours this morning.The judge has not yet set a sentencing
(13:28):
date. Secretary of State Anthony Blincolnsays the Security Council vote in favor of
a US back proposal for a ceasefirein Gaza has made it as clear as
it possibly could be that the worldsupports the plan. It was fourteen to
nothing vote. There's fifteen members ofthis Security Council. I believe that it
was Russia that abstained didn't vote onebut not the other. Blincoln spoke today
(13:52):
during his latest visit to the MiddleEast, his eighth since the October seventh
attack that started all this. AndI know at the top of the are
will talk about locally with more protestson college campuses down the street at UCLA.
And it was bloody in a certainway yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,
Well, we've seen this type ofjournalism before. Someone surreptitiously records a politician,
(14:16):
a celebrity, a personality, anewsmaker of some kind, and then
says, oh, they said themost ridiculous things. In this case,
it is a woman by the nameof Lauren wah Windsor a filmmaker, and
she got Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alitoto say some things or to agree with
(14:41):
some things, which is an importantdistinction. But she went to the Supreme
Court Historical Society's annual dinner on Junethird and disguised herself or or presented herself
as a conservative filmmaker and started talkingwith Justice Alito and his wife. And
(15:05):
to be sure, she's a liberalactivist, liberal activist who is trying to
gotcha on this now infamous judge andhis wife, Supreme Court justice and his
wife, because of the flags andbecause so it's important to point out now
the Rolling Stone article is very onesided. Rolling Stone, not surprisingly,
(15:26):
is very one sided and suggests thatSamuel Alito is some sort of white Christian
nationalist who wants to return America toa godly state. Okay, the third
let's see one. Two. Yeah. The third paragraph in the Washington Post
about these same recordings that this womanmade points out that it was after prodding
(15:54):
that the justice apparently said one sideor other is going to win, talking
about how polarized we are as anation, and then endorsed her contention.
Again, this is Lauren Windsor whosaid that the nation needs to return to
godliness, and his response was,yes, I believe that. I believe
(16:17):
that I agree with you. Essentially, Again, it's one of those it's
a situation. Does that mean SamuelAlito believes what this woman was saying.
Maybe, But it's important to pointout he did not say these things unprompted.
This woman is laying in front ofhim paragraphs, statements, things that
(16:38):
she wants to catch him saying,and he's not saying them, he's agreeing
with them. And in my mind, that's a big distinction. Well,
and the legality of this whole thing. She went on CNN because she was
questioned about this, and she says, this is completely legal what I did,
right, because it's in Washington,d c. And the rule of
(17:03):
law there is it's one party consent, one party consent, which means one
person has to have knowledge that they'rebeing recorded. She's obviously the person who
knows that the conversation is being recorded. In California, doesn't exist that California
is a two party state when itcomes to recording like that. Yeah,
So he went on the record withher saying, again, I think you're
(17:26):
probably right, one side or theother is going to win. This is
a direct quote, he says,quote, I mean there could be there
can be a way of working,a way of living together peacefully. Right,
it's difficult because there are differences onfundamental things that can't be compromised.
So it's not like you're going tosplit the difference. Again, that's a
(17:48):
neutral comment that that's not a oneside. That's a neutral comment about the
state of the United States of America. Yeah, it's divisive, it's there
are chinks in the armor right now. And then that's not it. She
goes to his wife. Oh yeah. In a recording of Alito's wife made
(18:08):
at that same event, she madelengthy, impassioned comments about this flag controversy
that's been going on. So we'llhave to come back and talk more about
that what she said specifically about it. Also, she's the wife of a
Supreme Court justice. She has noofficial position in the United States government,
nor does she write opinions when itcomes to the Supreme Court. But now
(18:32):
we pay attention to what she's saying. But she gives a strong opinion to
Windsor. All right, So we'retalking about the story originally published in the
Enrolling Stone by a liberal documentary filmmaker, a woman named Lauren Windsor. She
was able to get into the SupremeCourt Historical Society's annual dinner, and it's
(18:57):
a rare occasion for people to kindof meet and chat with conservative Supreme Court
justices most likely, and she wasgoing to go there with the full intent
of catching Samuel Alito saying something thatshe thought was so she leads him down
this path of polarizing politics in theUnited States. Is there a way to
(19:22):
fix it? She said something alongthe lines of the people who believe in
God have to keep fighting to returnour country to a place of godliness.
And knowing who she is, andI'm surprised she didn't barf when she said
that, because that's so anathema towhat she believes in. Now she says
again, people who believe in Godhave to keep fighting to return our country
(19:42):
to a place of godliness. AndSamuel Alito says, I agree with you.
I agree with you. It's important. Again, I think it's important.
A distinction, he's not the onewho said it. Can start the
conversation, right, but he's notthe one who started the conversation and this
is after she he hammered him aboutthe leak of the Supreme Court with the
(20:03):
Roe v. Wade overturning of that. Why wasn't anybody held accountable? Right?
And he's basically saying, we're nota law enforcement agency. You know,
we did what we could to tryto figure that out. Then she
hammers him about this and which thenshe finally gets him to say, with
the return to our country to bea place of godliness, I agree with
(20:26):
you. I agree with you.Then she turns to missus Alito, who's
been caught up in the flag controversy. Yeah, Martha Ann was. The
Justice said that it was Martha Annwho was responsible for flying the flag upside
down at their home in Virginia.This would have been a couple of weeks
after the attack on the Capitol inJanuary sixth and the appeal to Heaven flag
(20:49):
at their vacation home in New Jersey, which I still don't understand why people
are making a big deal out ofthat. I know it was carried on
the steps of the Capitol on Januarysixth. There were a lot of flags
that were carried on the Capitol onJanuary sixth, and the Justice said in
a letter to Congress that he isnot quote fond of flying flags and that
(21:11):
his wife put them up right,and there's somebody in Congress has to go
like this. I get it,Yeah, my wife does. My husband
does it like something like there's somebodywho should stand up on his behalf.
Now, she Martha Ann Alito toldLauren Windsor in a recording quote, I
want a sacred Heart of Jesus flagbecause I have to look across the lagoon
(21:34):
at the Pride flag for the nextmonth. Now. She was apparently referring
to the vacation home on the Jerseyshore. And then she goes on to
say that when her husband is freeof this nonsense, she used that phrase,
she will continue to fly her banners. I'm putting it up and I'm
going to send them a message everyday, maybe every week. I'll be
changing the flags. Again, Whydo we care that much about what Martha
(22:00):
Ann Alito decides to put on theflagpole? Well, she also told Windsor,
quote, he never controls me.I mean it's a husband wife.
Okay. Now again, if ifjust to completely paint with a broad brush,
if Lauren Windsor is this liberal documentaryfilmmaker. She's standing up for Martha
(22:26):
and Alito. Where she goes,your strong sister, you take power and
don't let your husband tell you whereto go or what to think or what
to fly. But she thinks thatLaura Windsor thinks that this is like I
got him. They believe in God? How dare they? Yeah? I
mean this is an absolute gotcha.I gotcha. She posted this on Twitter
(22:49):
just yesterday, rolling Stone picking itup, getting the exclusive on this,
and as you pointed out, veryone sided. And I do not like
this kind of journalism. I donot think it's fair to the people.
And I think it can be writtenup the way you see it in Rolling
Stone and even in Washington Post alittle bit. It's written up as if
(23:12):
Samuel Alito walks around parties and saysit is time to return the country to
a place of godlinness, and that'snot what he's doing. But she also
went after John Roberts. She talkedto him, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she talked to him, right,and she wanted to get him to
say the same thing, Yeah,that the Supreme Court quote should be guiding
(23:36):
America on a path as a Christiannation and the Chief Justice said, I
don't know that. We live ina Christian nation. I know a lot
of Jewish and Muslim friends who wouldsay maybe not. It's not our job
to do that. It's our jobto decide the cases as best we can.
Listen, John Roberts smartly avoided andI don't know if he knew something
(23:59):
was up. I don't know ifhow did she get in in the first
place? How did she RSVP?I haven't seen that yet. So and
I don't like it when when JamesO'Keeffe does it for Project Veritas. I
don't This kind of journalism is nottrue to what it's It's a shortcut,
I think a lot of times,and then can be blown out of proportion.
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