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May 23, 2025 46 mins

How do you decide what’s right for you? Do you look inward for answers, or do you seek validation from the world around you? In this episode of Bouncing Back: The Personal Resilience Science Insights Podcast, host Marie Stella interviews teacher and author Dr. Paul Dunion on how our frame of reference affects our ability to adapt and persevere.

Currently serving as senior faculty member and consultant at Mobius Executive Leadership, and teaching at Mobius’ Next Practice Institute, Dr. Paul Dunion has had over 40 years in private practice. Prior to joining the team, Dr. Paul Dunion earned his doctoral degree in counseling and consulting psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his master of arts in philosophy from the University of Connecticut, where he eventually taught philosophy.

In this episode, Dr. Paul Dunion sheds light on the concepts of external and internal referencing, offering examples of how these mindsets show up in day-to-day life. Additionally, Dr. Paul Dunion asserts that the majority of individuals adopt external referencing due to social and cultural factors.

Together, Marie and Dr. Paul Dunion canvass some useful habits and exercises for training our brains to adopt a more internal frame of reference. So, whether you’re striving to become more self-reliant, or seeking healthier ways to engage with your environment, tune in to this episode for actionable tools and fresh perspectives to strengthen your resilience from the inside out!

Follow Dr. Paul Dunion’s work via the following links: Website: https://pauldunion.com  Mobius Executive Leadership: https://www.mobiusleadership.com Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/contributors/paul-j-dunion-edd

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