On today's episode we sit down with Cassie Trentaz, an Associate Professor of Theology, Ethics, and Church History at Warner Pacific University. A low-key rascal committed to inching, stumbling, and leaping toward glimpses of shalom in the world today following the lead of those often excluded. Cassie and I will discuss the two loops theory of change, the collapsing of culture, and drawing on history to prepare us for tomorrow.
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