August 23, 2024 • 29 mins
Gail Gould is the The CPR and Safety Lady and she teaches us what to do in case of a seizure or chocking, live on the radio. There’s much more to learn on the subject of first aid like knowing how to use the automatic defibrillators every building is supposed to have and even using EKGs to detect heart problems in young men. Go to www.cprandsafetylady.com and Gail can come teach you the course.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Houston, PA, Houston's public Affairs show, an iHeartMedia broadcast.
Our disclaimer says that the opinions on this show do
not necessarily reflect those hell by this radio station, its
management staff, for any of its advertisers. My name is Laurence.
I am the Texan from France, and we're going to
talk about saving people's lives today, literally and physically. My
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guest is Gail Gould. She is the CPR and safety Lady.
You can check out her cool website at cprand Safetylady
dot com Cprandsafetylady dot com. We need people to come
on the radio like today to talk about CPR because
you'd be horrified to know that, for instance, in high schools,
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only one person needs to be certified to know how
to do CPR in the entire school. I just found
that out because Gail just mentioned it. But what I'm
saying is that most people don't know how to do it.
I happen to be one of the ignorant people. That's embarrassing,
isn't it, But it's true. So look, we're on We're
on this in the same in the same bag. If
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if we don't know how to do it. We can
always learn, and I what I do know is what
an aed is. I guess I recognize what the initials were,
not exactly what they meant. But those are the defibrillators
you see, especially in airports. For some reason, I feel
like those defibrillators are on the wall in airports and
they're especially visible there. But you're supposed to have one everywhere.
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These are electrical devices that can save people's lives because
you know they You've seen those in movies. They yell clear,
they put the paddles on someone's chest and they literally
zap them with gail, how many vaults is it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, first of all, they're not paddles.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They're actually the pads. Their pads are almost like band ais.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh you're that's right, the ones in the movies, though
they have the industry ill strength ones.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's three I'm not electical engineer, but it's three hundred
jewels for an adult, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It'll you, you'll hopefully come back to life. It'll restart
your heart, and then you're gonna have muscle pains, muscle
aches from that jewelt for days. It's a violent, violent
way of reanimated people.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
People I've talked to you, they receive CPR and we're shocked,
said they felt like they've been in.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
A bar fight. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean every single
one of your muscle contracts and basically bruises a little bit,
if not a lot. I've heard of stories of people
breaking their backs during the shock their their backs, you know,
the muscles in their backs pulled so hard that it
actually broke their back and uh then then had to
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recover from that, but hey, they were alive.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The main thing you hear about from CPR is you know, cracksturnam,
crack ribs. Yeah, honestly, that's one of the main reasons
when people are giving CPR will stop because they like,
here's something pop or crack, and they go, oh no,
I'm hurting the victim and they stop compressing. So I
tell people all the time, Laurn, I tell people, do
not worry about hurting the victim. Even if you hear
something pop, you hear something crack, your hands feel like
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they're sinking, keep going. The most dangerous thing you co
do is do nothing at all. Have you had that experience.
I have seen CPR being done up close and personal.
I have not performed it. I've worked in hospitals where
I've seen see yeah, but I have actually administered choking
rely three times. And I've attended to four people who
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pass out during CPR training, one of them being a
pregnant woman. About fifteen years ago, I had a woman.
She was eight and a half months pregnant. She passed
out during the CPR class. Everybody in the classroom got
up and ran out, as like they were running a race,
and I had to call somebody back in to help
me get her on the floor, and thank god, she
was breathing. She just fainted.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But that was scary.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I was like, oh my gosh, not one people, two people.
But I've had four people pass out during CPR training
my thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Really, why do they pass out?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
She?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know, she was pregnant, she was getting ready.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Another guy was a young guy. Uh, he had not
eaten since about four in the morning.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Okay blood.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah. Another guy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm not sure why he passed out, but he was
so embarrassed. He was with his entire team. I told him,
I said, I don't think you should get in your
car and drive home. You've just He was like I'm fine,
I'm fine, so but yeah, I mean, people pass out
for a number of different reasons. Usually it's because the brain,
the blood of us is the brain wide and all
the blood pools in their brain.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You're gonna faint.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So yeah, you know, but you get up too fast,
you stand up to fant you get hypotensis.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Of reasons what people fay.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But thank goodness, thank goodness, I've only had to attend
to people who fainted and people who are choking.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I hope I never have to minister CPR. And I tell.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
People that all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Funny, I hope you never ever ever have to minister CEPR.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But imagine needing to know it and having no idea
what to do, and honestly, leverent. Less than fifty percent
of Americans now to perform CPR.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's actually higher than I would have guessed. I would
have guessed maybe twenty percent. But so you're saying nearly
half the population knows how, we're doing pretty good, then actually.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, actually we're not.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And the reason is is that three hundred and fifty
thousand people will die this year from sudden cardiac wress.
That's a leading cause of death. An American Heart Association
estimates between one hundred thousand and two hundred thousand lives
could be saved each year if more people stepped up
to the plate to provide CPR.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So and I say less than fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I'm not even exactly sure what the percentage is, but
I guess, what do you think is the main reason
that people don't want to perform CPR?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Afraid of cooties?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's what I would have thought. I would have thought blood.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Woe well, math to mouth is something that is.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Exactly right for me. That would be the big concern.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But they did a survey recently and they found I
say they American Heart and what they found out was
the main reason that people don't want to give other
people a CPR is they're afraid of litigation.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They're afraid to be in sued.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And we tell people, you're covered under the good Samaritala
just as long as you act in a reasonable improved manner.
You add the good faith, you don't charge any compensation.
You were covered under the good Samaritala.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now you don't charge any compensation. You mean, we've had
cases of people and now you owe me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, but now you know you start acting unreasonable, like
you decide to give the person a tracheotomy.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Or you part of your training.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, that's not part of my train.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's that's not a CPR.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That is not reasonable.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Improuding tracheotomy is when you pierce someone's throat, their larynx
so that they can breathe like a for instance, they've
choked on something and it's it's in their mouth and
the back of their mouth, and you can literally use
a pin to make a hole into their trachia, into
their neck, which is a bloody operation obviously, but you'll
create an airway that they can breathe through. And you
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shouldn't do that unless you know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But I've had two people over my thirty five years
of teaching CPR, I've had two people shared with the
group where they gave people trakes. Really the guy, one
of the guys, he was an engineer. He was like,
I'm sure I saved her life. And I'm thinking to myself,
I'm sure you killed her. I'm sure she did not
survive you. And I cannot competently give someone a tracheotomy.
So you would not be covered out of the good
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samaritala if you did something like that. And you know,
I've run into people every now and then. I was
at a class teaching new parents knew and expected parents
of one of the dads, whose wife is geting ready
of a baby, asked me should I give my child
a tracheotomy if they're choking?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I was like, no, Wow, not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
What goes through your mind to actually think that. I mean,
on the other hand, you'd want to try to save them.
But if somebody has choking on something, we administer the
heimlich maneuver.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, actually you can describe that, can't you. I mean,
it's easy.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
To it's very easy to do. Everybody should do it.
But interestingly enough, it's no longer called the heimlich maneuver. Oh,
it's called choking relief for a dominal thrust. I feel
it's kind of bad because they discredited doctor Heimlick after
he died. They should have done it. You know, you
can call it whatever you want, but if someone then
I'm the heimlich Man. The takeaway laurent for this is
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that if someone can speak, cough, breathe, normally, they are
not choking. It's when they stop coughing, they stop breathing,
they're making a high pitch, growing noise. Their face turns pale,
their lips are in blue. They may give you the
universal distress, distressing, distressing.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Then you know they're choking.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
All you want to do is make a fist, place
your thumb inside the fist, plus your thumb local right
above your navel, and you pull straight up like you're
like you're doing the Nike Swish on their abdominal cavity.
I've done it three times. I've literally talked to thousands
and thousands of people have successfully done it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I've also seen it done.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I've saw a video of a woman who probably wasn't
strong enough to lift the rather obese man who was
who was choking in a restaurant, and she slammed his
belly into the edge of the table. Oh my, and
it works. I mean so, but that's not how you're
supposed to But the reinforces that. The concept is you
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want to compress the lungs somehow so that whatever air
is in there dislodges what they're choking.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What you're actually doing is sort of sort of activating
the dive forge.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What you create an artificial cough. But that's what you
do if you're a lone and choking, you lean over
the edge of it. Yeah, the back of a kitchen, sink,
of sofa. And if you're a loan and choking, I've
not I've you know, I've met maybe forty thirty forty
people who've been alone and choking, had to do that.
I've literally met thousands and thousands and thousands of people
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who've administered choking.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
No way, I.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Mean, i'd say every second thousands.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Really well, I've.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Been doing this thirty five years, so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's real, it's really common.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's real, much.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
More common someone needing CPR, more common than cardiac or
as for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Wow. So it's that shrimp that gets to the back
of your throat and nearly kills you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. Yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I did it to my son at HB at it
ten on Bunker Hill about twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He was shopping with me. He saw a friend of
his also. I looked over. There were throwing jelly beans heat.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh yeah, I was like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Next thing, I know, my son's face turned very beat red,
then immediately turned very pale, so I knew I was.
There's a jelly being there, two little thrusts that came
flying right out in the bread aisle, and there was.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
All this commotion. And he used to get really upset
with me.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He'd say, you are violating my privacy by sharing that story.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Then he just kind of got used to it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm your mom. You ain't gotten no privacy. I made you.
That's that's funny. He must have been little saying that
he was violating my privacy. It's a great story though.
You literally say you gave him life and then you
saved it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Literally, he and you know what, the funny thing is
that we've had several live threatening emergencies with them.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Really absolutely it was easy a breakneck stuntman. Yeah, well,
he wants to be an actor. I know sometimes they
like to do crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Great.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
He was pretty crazy when he was in grade school.
Like sometimes in my CPR cluss last week and she goes, oh,
I used to teach where your son was a student,
and she kind of just look on her face.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He kind of jokes around about how wild he was,
but he he he has very serious. Peanut Trinte sessiology
and a nanny at Tangobao Park not far from there,
gave him three peanuts deeply. He was three and a
half years old, and she's the one that did the
allergy testing for us.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the time I saw him, I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Just blown up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
His face was blown up, his eyes, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And you know this was sixteen and a half years ago,
so there's much more heightened awareness about foodologies today. So
hopefully nannies are still handing out peanuts at the park.
But that's how we found he was allergic to peanuts trinus.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So he can't eat him at all. Obviously, no bad.
They're so good. I feel bad for them because I'm
a big peanut fan there is. They're one of the
best ways for me to stave off hunger. They're healthy too,
They're a great diet.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean they're healthy. But no, he oh no,
he can't. Oh wow, and he you know he is.
This is called an AVQ and what is that. It's
called an a VQUE. It's like the newest.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's like a needle. It's a single shot administered that
anybody can administer because you just slam them and slamming
into their.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Arm or something to your legs, your leg yeah, yeah, yeah,
even with the gens on, even with.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The pants, and we used it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, used it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And I finally because you know, he's your typical spaced out.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hopefully, but he never forgets ever.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Never ever good, So he is not that he's matured.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I said, how come you forget everything else, but you
never forget your cue? He said, I have the looming
fear of death.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Wow, so you has he ever administered it to himself?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No, I've done it to him.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah. Wow, I've used it. And boy, it works.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It works, It works good, it works. Really they come
right back within about fifteen minutes. Wow, you still have
to go to the hospital. Oh good, that's not good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
It definitely I was. I was happy that it worked.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You know it's sad today you can dive from eating
a cookie if your feodologies, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You can read the label and if it says processed
and a facility that also processes peanuts, be careful and
just you know, eat something else. Yes, And unfortunately that's
very common.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, you know, that is a whole nother topic that
we could talk about for hours.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But the food labeling system here in the United States
is broken.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh no kidding, Yeah, I happen to know is very
very broken. It's ridiculously uninformative, and you know, and you know,
sesme was named the ninth major food ology in about
a year and a half ago, the ninth. He's highly
aders and so manufacturers are supposed to include sesame on
the food label, but some food manufacturers have not gotten
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the memo. So there's you know, sesame is grounded over
the half the bread we eat and you don't know
it because they.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Still don't listen on the label.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But yeah, we've had numerous close calls with sesame, but
that most He.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Can't eat any sesame oil either, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's another thing that's you know, like, for instance, Chick
fil A made.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
With peanut oil.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Really, oh yeah, I said, Oh, your son can't eat
a Chick fil A. That is his hands down favorite
place in the entire world to eat. But he can
eat it because it's overly refined peanut oil. It's not
it's not cold press or expeller press peanut oil. If
they were using the expensive peanut oil like speller press
you get from Whole Foods, that would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But it's not. It's overly refined.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Can he eat olive oil?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay, good because honestly, life without olive oil one of
the healthiest substances you can put in your body, and
reasonable amounts. I the Oh my gosh, I went to
Italy and they have olive oil there that is from
a different planet. It's from a different planet. I'm sure
it's the same thing in Greece. I just don't remember it.
I wasn't into olive oil as much when I went
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to Greece for the first time. But oh my goodness,
Italy has great oil anyway, that's true. And the people too,
and the culture and the history. It's an unbelievable, wonderful place.
You are listening to Houston, PA, Houston's Public Affairs Show.
My name is Laurent. My guest is Gail Gould. She
is the CPR and Safety Lady. If you can't tell,
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she is online at CPR and Safetylady dot com. Can't
be easier than that, right, The CPR and Safety Lady
is online at dot com. We briefly talked about AEDs,
these automated external defibrillators, and I mentioned that they're in
airports particularly visible. Do you feel that way? Is that
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just me? I know they're everywhere, but why do I
feel like I mostly see them in airports.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Well, they're required in airports, and they're required to be
within three walking distance of each other. I remember, that's
that's why you see that. So you're see an AD
in the airport. Well, there's a lot of them, Yes,
so there's two minutes you'll see another eighties. So they're
required in airports, are required on airplanes. They were required,
I believe now in twenty eight states schools all have
to have eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And they use them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't know what all states don't have aren't required
in schools, But in Texas they are required in schools and.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
They use them.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
People often think it only happens to old, out of
shape people, and nothing could be further in the truth. LIQ,
what happened to Brownie James last summer? Lebron James and
I call him King James. Look what happened to some
last summer? Some had a cardiac arrest at usc USC
is an excellent emergency action plan. They gave him CPR,
shocked him, and they saved his life. I didn't know
that yeah, wow, he does he play football.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Okay, And yes, I'm sorry, Yes I know, I know,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Follow back basketball. That was all
the saying with me. There's a ball and there's a
bunch of guys.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But it definitely, it definitely happens.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
In fact, one in three hundred student athletes has an
undetected heart problem. In fact, one in three hundred student
athletes has. In fact, Katie isd here in Houston has
had so many kids go into cardiac or ass so
many teenagers that they bought their own EKG machines and
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they're looking at the logical activity in your heart. My
son's had two ekg's, one when he was thirteen, wo
when he was in nineteen. And I know that when
we went to last summer, it was in a leave
community SEM. It was set up by a guy I
know who're from Houston named Scott Stevens, and he puts
together all these EKG screenings because he turned his pain
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into passion. His son was six foot nine, getting ready
to go off on a football of scholarship about ten
years ago, died in his sleep. They did an autopsy
and found that he had something called hypertrophic cardiomopthy which
is a large athlete's heart, and he didn't want this
to happen to anyone else, so he actually went to
Austin made and then EKG was included on sports physicals
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and he does these EKG screenings all over Texas. So
when we did last summer, since he's a friend of mine,
that kind of let me in the back and watch
and see what was going on. He told me at
a four hundred kids the EKH screen last summer eight
needed further testings.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's two percent.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
How long does it take if I take your class?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, every CPR class or also includes ad automatic, a
fair blair and choking, So it takes about two hours.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, so that's quick at first aid. Onto that now
you're looking at four and a half to five hours.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What's first aid was that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
First day you learn when to call nine on one.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We discussed blow warm pathogens, We talked about how to
control life threatening bleeding, what to do someone as a seizure,
head neck, back injuries, moza bunds and joints and uh
so it's it's a lot more comprehensive and actually you
know you're more likely to be using first say than
you are a CPR.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Really, so like knowing if somebody seems to have a
back injury, knowing what position is best to put them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
In exactly, or somebody has a broken bone, or you
know what to do in case of it heat emergency,
someone's having a heat stroke, snake bites.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know, we just cover the game.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Does poison out work?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I always help people, do not use the John Wing
cutting suck method. Like, I'm always amazed that people don't
know how to help a seizure victim.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Seizure victims?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Someone's in their chair, they're having a Grandma seizure, having
uncontrolled muscavulsions. Get them on the floor and move everything
out of the way. Move all people, move off furniture,
move all objects, and let them have their seizure. Don't
revealing them, don't hold them down, don't put anything in
their mouth. It's kind of an old wives tale like
the twentieth century waves that let them have their seizure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
The only thing you want to do, maybe is protect
their head if they're thrashing their head around.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Once you're done convulsie, roll them on their side because
there's a good chance they may vomit it, regurget it,
and you don't want people lay in their back where
they're vomiting.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So what I think is particularly interesting is that this
instruction you can even teach on the radio. In other words,
instruation is not necessary, not absolutely necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know what, Lauren. You can teach people how to
do hands only CPR over the radio, and so do it.
Hands only CPR is CPR with no breathing. And the
first thing you have to determine is if someone needs CPR.
And the way you'll know someone needs CPR is they
are I'm responsive and they're not breathing normally or they're
not breathing at all.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's how you know if someone needs CPR. There's no
pulse check. The pulse check was eliminated over twenty years ago.
So everybody thinks there's a pulse check because they see
on TV in the movies. Yeah, but there's no pulse check,
So no cure. Someone needs CPR. If theyre i'm responsive,
not breathing normally, not breathing at all, they need CPR.
And all you want to do is place your hands.
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You stack one hand right on top of another. Place
the heel of your hand in the center of the
chest on the vertical access to the sternum, right between
the two nipples, and you push hard and fast until
advance help arrives.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And that's it. So you can do hands only CPR
on people.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We'll just put your hands on top of each other
over the middle of their sternum.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Between their nipples. That's easy.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And then I heard that you're seeing uh.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Staying alive by the begs.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
The beat?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Is that for real?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's for real and you want to make so that's
pretty fast. It's it's very fast, and it's very hard
if you don't push hard enough effective because the rib
cage is strong. Yes, you want to push. You want
to push harder than you tuly think you need to.
No hands only CPR is only meant for teenagers and older.
You cannot do it for young children. You still need
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to give compressions plus ventilations. But for teenagers ten eleven,
twelve and older you can do hands only SEPR and
it's very very effective.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And the ventilation you're talking about is mouth to mouth.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Is that the mouth breathing right right now?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The survivor rates who sudden cardiacress in the United States
is only eight to ten percent. Really, it's very very low.
The reason it's so low, Number one, most Americans don't
know CPR.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Maybe the person was afraid they were going to be sued.
They didn't want.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
To touch a person. Maybe that's not a thing. We
need to repeat that in case people were just tuning in.
If you administer CPR to a person, you cannot be sued.
The law protects you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You could assume me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
If I looked at your cross eye, but you're covered
under the good samarital loon.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But you yeah, covering up the good samarital.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You know, maybe the person wasn't found for several hours.
One of my clients over there.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Corporate client, she's pointing.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
In another building, there was a guy that took a
nap every day lunch. One day, they were like, he's
taking a really long nap.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Then went there. He was at napping. He'd gone to
cardiacress at his desk. He'd been there about an hour.
They went in and gave him CPR and used an eighty.
But your brain starts to die after for four minutes.
So but that was just today to bring grief counselors in.
I mean it was sad, but yeah, I mean instead
of the person isn't found for a long period of time.
But so survivor has very low. Now, the good news
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is if somebody receives immediate CPR and then they get
shocked with ad with the first three minutes, now survivorates
go up to seventy to seventy four percent.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, is there another method that you can teach over
the radio for CPR or just saving lives? You know,
advice on saving lives. We talked about, talked about the
Heimlich maneuver. We talked about how to protect somebody having
a seizure. You just you just let them have a
seizure and you get everything out of their way so
they don't hit something and break a bone. Well, that's easy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Controlling life threatening bleeding, which you know is okay, so
prevalent today, oh my gosh. And uh so what's interesting
here is it uncontrolled bleeding is the number one cause
a preventable death from trauma.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So what do you do? What do you do if
someone has put your finger in the hole, there's a hole,
I've seen it sort.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Of kind that's kind of what you want to do
if someone you know is there's blood spurting from the wound. Yeah,
I mean very heavy, very very bright red. No need
to wash it off, Just apply pressure with your hand
and continue to do that until advance help arrives. If
you have a pressure bandage to wrap that around, if
you have a tourniquet placed it two inches about anternity, well,
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all school nurses have tourniquets, no kidding. In fact, oh
absolutely yeah, they have that in narcan. And that's a
whole other topic. But in fact, we used to recommend
just Class A first aid kids cured tournicuts. Now we're
recommending excuse me, we used to we used to recommend
just Class.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
B first aid kids at tourniicuts.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Now we're recommending every first ay kid as a tournique
Class A and Class B. Class B is sort of
more industrial manufacturing. But I recommend all my clients.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You need a tonicut.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, your fortaked and all schools have narcan. Nar Can
is you know, the lock zone is the only thing
that were reversed a live threatening to drug overdose and cyperus.
Fair Branks, I'm sure they love me sharing this last
year in August at the beginning of school.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
They do use narcan wise fentanyl overdoses. So the scourge
of the fentanyl invasion that is allowed through our border,
and believe me, it's allowed, it could be stopped or
at least slowed down, is that they can put it
in anything. They can put in a joint, and if
you smoke fentanyl, the chances that you're going to die
while smoking that joint go up one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm crazy dangerous, So glad you know about that. My
son had a friend who died from a fenton lover dose.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
He was smoking a joint. I don't know what he.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was doing, but he was the best kid ever. Yeah,
it's crazy, super smart, successful, had about half a million
dollars in his bank account. He was so successful. Made
one bad choice, one bad decision, and the cops told
his dad. They said, the drug dealers don't care.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They chopped this all together, whether it's weed, cocaine, and
it's just contaminated. So you know, maybe in places like
Colorado and California where marijuana is legal, but when my
son went up to college, we told him we would
rather you drink responsibly do any drugs. And I think
he took our advice. He called us after about a
month being the goes, how do you get vomited out
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of a leather shoes and a sports jacket?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But we're losing one hundred and thirty thousand Americans per
year to fentanyl overnesses. They killed Prince, they killed Tom Petty,
and the guy who plays the joker, I forget his name,
Heath Ledger. Anyway, we've demonstrated that you can teach CPR
in two hours if you make it a four hour court.
You can also teach first aid. And my last question
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for you is why isn't it taught in schools by law?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, it is by the time you're really I didn't
take it as by the time your child as a senior.
This happened about seven years ago. Oh yeah, your child
as a senior in high school. They're required to take
a thirty minute CPR class.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That's not long enough if it takes two hours.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, no, it's a thirty minute CPR class. Listen. I'm
just glad.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
They're you know, doing Yeah, that's progress. But why can't
we just do two hours? Well it's a fun class too.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Some health teachers do teach it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
In fact, when my son was in middle school sbi
C Spring Branch, they ask parents to come teach electives,
so nine week to the middle school students for three years.
It was so much fun. That's what I'm saying is
that it's kind of like a field trip. You get
to go to the gym or maybe outside even better
if the weather's nice, and you learn these these easy
life saving methods.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it was. It was a blast. I love doing
it was just it was a great experience.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And and you know, your child can start taking CPR
when they're about ten.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, okay's great. That's different than what I thought. I'm
gonna have to ask my teenagers what they know how
to do. But I mean my my teenage niece and nephew,
they don't. They don't necessarily answer every question I asked them,
especially if I text it to them, then it's like
it goes into a black hole or something. It's like, hey, if.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
They've asked them, if they've taken the CPR classes. Yeah,
there's a lot of health teachers that do teach it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's it should be by law, the whole, the whole shebang.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, what was funny? One one thing great about social media.
About two years ago, someone from Lithuania have reached out
to me on social media. By the way, please go
follow me over at the CPR and Safety Lady on Instagram.
But she said, in Lithuania you must show proof of
a CPA for sake card in order to get a
driver's license.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh that's hey, Well that's one way to mandate.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I think it's the same way in Germany. I'm not positive.
I think here in Texas, like every man f himself right, but.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Uh, well that's an oversimplification, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
But no, I wish you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I personally think it should be required. Yeah, new parents
to take CPR before baby comes home from the hospital.
But I'm currently not in charge. It's not a requirement,
but I train a lot. CPR train a lot of
new and expecting parents.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Folks go to CPR and safety Lady dot com. CPR
and safety Lady dot com. You can take your class
from Gail directly, and you probably won't to now that
you've heard her speak, and teach it to your kids.
Make sure they learn it and be like and make
plans to learn it. I haven't done that yet, but
I'm gonna and it's easy enough. It sounds fun too.
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guest is Gail Gould. She is the CPR and safety Lady.
You can check out her cool website at cprand Safetylady
dot com Cprandsafetylady dot com. We need people to come
on the radio like today to talk about CPR because
you'd be horrified to know that, for instance, in high schools,
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only one person needs to be certified to know how
to do CPR in the entire school. I just found
that out because Gail just mentioned it. But what I'm
saying is that most people don't know how to do it.
I happen to be one of the ignorant people. That's embarrassing,
isn't it, But it's true. So look, we're on We're
on this in the same in the same bag. If
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if we don't know how to do it. We can
always learn, and I what I do know is what
an aed is. I guess I recognize what the initials were,
not exactly what they meant. But those are the defibrillators
you see, especially in airports. For some reason, I feel
like those defibrillators are on the wall in airports and
they're especially visible there. But you're supposed to have one everywhere.
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These are electrical devices that can save people's lives because
you know they You've seen those in movies. They yell clear,
they put the paddles on someone's chest and they literally
zap them with gail, how many vaults is it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, first of all, they're not paddles.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They're actually the pads. Their pads are almost like band ais.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh you're that's right, the ones in the movies, though
they have the industry ill strength ones.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's three I'm not electical engineer, but it's three hundred
jewels for an adult, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
It'll you, you'll hopefully come back to life. It'll restart
your heart, and then you're gonna have muscle pains, muscle
aches from that jewelt for days. It's a violent, violent
way of reanimated people.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
People I've talked to you, they receive CPR and we're shocked,
said they felt like they've been in.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
A bar fight. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean every single
one of your muscle contracts and basically bruises a little bit,
if not a lot. I've heard of stories of people
breaking their backs during the shock their their backs, you know,
the muscles in their backs pulled so hard that it
actually broke their back and uh then then had to
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recover from that, but hey, they were alive.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The main thing you hear about from CPR is you know, cracksturnam,
crack ribs. Yeah, honestly, that's one of the main reasons
when people are giving CPR will stop because they like,
here's something pop or crack, and they go, oh no,
I'm hurting the victim and they stop compressing. So I
tell people all the time, Laurn, I tell people, do
not worry about hurting the victim. Even if you hear
something pop, you hear something crack, your hands feel like
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they're sinking, keep going. The most dangerous thing you co
do is do nothing at all. Have you had that experience.
I have seen CPR being done up close and personal.
I have not performed it. I've worked in hospitals where
I've seen see yeah, but I have actually administered choking
rely three times. And I've attended to four people who
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pass out during CPR training, one of them being a
pregnant woman. About fifteen years ago, I had a woman.
She was eight and a half months pregnant. She passed
out during the CPR class. Everybody in the classroom got
up and ran out, as like they were running a race,
and I had to call somebody back in to help
me get her on the floor, and thank god, she
was breathing. She just fainted.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But that was scary.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I was like, oh my gosh, not one people, two people.
But I've had four people pass out during CPR training
my thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Really, why do they pass out?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
She?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know, she was pregnant, she was getting ready.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Another guy was a young guy. Uh, he had not
eaten since about four in the morning.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Okay blood.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah. Another guy.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'm not sure why he passed out, but he was
so embarrassed. He was with his entire team. I told him,
I said, I don't think you should get in your
car and drive home. You've just He was like I'm fine,
I'm fine, so but yeah, I mean, people pass out
for a number of different reasons. Usually it's because the brain,
the blood of us is the brain wide and all
the blood pools in their brain.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You're gonna faint.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So yeah, you know, but you get up too fast,
you stand up to fant you get hypotensis.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Of reasons what people fay.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But thank goodness, thank goodness, I've only had to attend
to people who fainted and people who are choking.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I hope I never have to minister CPR. And I tell.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
People that all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Funny, I hope you never ever ever have to minister CEPR.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
But imagine needing to know it and having no idea
what to do, and honestly, leverent. Less than fifty percent
of Americans now to perform CPR.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That's actually higher than I would have guessed. I would
have guessed maybe twenty percent. But so you're saying nearly
half the population knows how, we're doing pretty good, then actually.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, actually we're not.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And the reason is is that three hundred and fifty
thousand people will die this year from sudden cardiac wress.
That's a leading cause of death. An American Heart Association
estimates between one hundred thousand and two hundred thousand lives
could be saved each year if more people stepped up
to the plate to provide CPR.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So and I say less than fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I'm not even exactly sure what the percentage is, but
I guess, what do you think is the main reason
that people don't want to perform CPR?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Afraid of cooties?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That's what I would have thought. I would have thought blood.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Woe well, math to mouth is something that is.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Exactly right for me. That would be the big concern.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But they did a survey recently and they found I
say they American Heart and what they found out was
the main reason that people don't want to give other
people a CPR is they're afraid of litigation.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
They're afraid to be in sued.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And we tell people, you're covered under the good Samaritala
just as long as you act in a reasonable improved manner.
You add the good faith, you don't charge any compensation.
You were covered under the good Samaritala.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now you don't charge any compensation. You mean, we've had
cases of people and now you owe me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, but now you know you start acting unreasonable, like
you decide to give the person a tracheotomy.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Or you part of your training.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, that's not part of my train.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's that's not a CPR.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That is not reasonable.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Improuding tracheotomy is when you pierce someone's throat, their larynx
so that they can breathe like a for instance, they've
choked on something and it's it's in their mouth and
the back of their mouth, and you can literally use
a pin to make a hole into their trachia, into
their neck, which is a bloody operation obviously, but you'll
create an airway that they can breathe through. And you
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shouldn't do that unless you know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
But I've had two people over my thirty five years
of teaching CPR, I've had two people shared with the
group where they gave people trakes. Really the guy, one
of the guys, he was an engineer. He was like,
I'm sure I saved her life. And I'm thinking to myself,
I'm sure you killed her. I'm sure she did not
survive you. And I cannot competently give someone a tracheotomy.
So you would not be covered out of the good
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samaritala if you did something like that. And you know,
I've run into people every now and then. I was
at a class teaching new parents knew and expected parents
of one of the dads, whose wife is geting ready
of a baby, asked me should I give my child
a tracheotomy if they're choking?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I was like, no, Wow, not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
What goes through your mind to actually think that. I mean,
on the other hand, you'd want to try to save them.
But if somebody has choking on something, we administer the
heimlich maneuver.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, actually you can describe that, can't you. I mean,
it's easy.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
To it's very easy to do. Everybody should do it.
But interestingly enough, it's no longer called the heimlich maneuver. Oh,
it's called choking relief for a dominal thrust. I feel
it's kind of bad because they discredited doctor Heimlick after
he died. They should have done it. You know, you
can call it whatever you want, but if someone then
I'm the heimlich Man. The takeaway laurent for this is
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that if someone can speak, cough, breathe, normally, they are
not choking. It's when they stop coughing, they stop breathing,
they're making a high pitch, growing noise. Their face turns pale,
their lips are in blue. They may give you the
universal distress, distressing, distressing.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Then you know they're choking.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
All you want to do is make a fist, place
your thumb inside the fist, plus your thumb local right
above your navel, and you pull straight up like you're
like you're doing the Nike Swish on their abdominal cavity.
I've done it three times. I've literally talked to thousands
and thousands of people have successfully done it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I've also seen it done.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I've saw a video of a woman who probably wasn't
strong enough to lift the rather obese man who was
who was choking in a restaurant, and she slammed his
belly into the edge of the table. Oh my, and
it works. I mean so, but that's not how you're
supposed to But the reinforces that. The concept is you
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want to compress the lungs somehow so that whatever air
is in there dislodges what they're choking.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What you're actually doing is sort of sort of activating
the dive forge.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
What you create an artificial cough. But that's what you
do if you're a lone and choking, you lean over
the edge of it. Yeah, the back of a kitchen, sink,
of sofa. And if you're a loan and choking, I've
not I've you know, I've met maybe forty thirty forty
people who've been alone and choking, had to do that.
I've literally met thousands and thousands and thousands of people
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who've administered choking.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
No way, I.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Mean, i'd say every second thousands.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Really well, I've.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Been doing this thirty five years, so yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's real, it's really common.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's real, much.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
More common someone needing CPR, more common than cardiac or
as for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Wow. So it's that shrimp that gets to the back
of your throat and nearly kills you.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. Yeah, No.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I did it to my son at HB at it
ten on Bunker Hill about twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
He was shopping with me. He saw a friend of
his also. I looked over. There were throwing jelly beans heat.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh yeah, I was like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Next thing, I know, my son's face turned very beat red,
then immediately turned very pale, so I knew I was.
There's a jelly being there, two little thrusts that came
flying right out in the bread aisle, and there was.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
All this commotion. And he used to get really upset
with me.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He'd say, you are violating my privacy by sharing that story.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Then he just kind of got used to it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm your mom. You ain't gotten no privacy. I made you.
That's that's funny. He must have been little saying that
he was violating my privacy. It's a great story though.
You literally say you gave him life and then you
saved it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Literally, he and you know what, the funny thing is
that we've had several live threatening emergencies with them.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Really absolutely it was easy a breakneck stuntman. Yeah, well,
he wants to be an actor. I know sometimes they
like to do crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Great.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
He was pretty crazy when he was in grade school.
Like sometimes in my CPR cluss last week and she goes, oh,
I used to teach where your son was a student,
and she kind of just look on her face.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He kind of jokes around about how wild he was,
but he he he has very serious. Peanut Trinte sessiology
and a nanny at Tangobao Park not far from there,
gave him three peanuts deeply. He was three and a
half years old, and she's the one that did the
allergy testing for us.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the time I saw him, I mean he was.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Just blown up.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
His face was blown up, his eyes, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And you know this was sixteen and a half years ago,
so there's much more heightened awareness about foodologies today. So
hopefully nannies are still handing out peanuts at the park.
But that's how we found he was allergic to peanuts trinus.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So he can't eat him at all. Obviously, no bad.
They're so good. I feel bad for them because I'm
a big peanut fan there is. They're one of the
best ways for me to stave off hunger. They're healthy too,
They're a great diet.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean they're healthy. But no, he oh no,
he can't. Oh wow, and he you know he is.
This is called an AVQ and what is that. It's
called an a VQUE. It's like the newest.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's like a needle. It's a single shot administered that
anybody can administer because you just slam them and slamming
into their.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Arm or something to your legs, your leg yeah, yeah, yeah,
even with the gens on, even with.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The pants, and we used it.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, used it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And I finally because you know, he's your typical spaced out.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Hopefully, but he never forgets ever.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Never ever good, So he is not that he's matured.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I said, how come you forget everything else, but you
never forget your cue? He said, I have the looming
fear of death.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Wow, so you has he ever administered it to himself?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
No, I've done it to him.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah. Wow, I've used it. And boy, it works.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It works, It works good, it works. Really they come
right back within about fifteen minutes. Wow, you still have
to go to the hospital. Oh good, that's not good.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
It definitely I was. I was happy that it worked.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
You know it's sad today you can dive from eating
a cookie if your feodologies, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You can read the label and if it says processed
and a facility that also processes peanuts, be careful and
just you know, eat something else. Yes, And unfortunately that's
very common.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, you know, that is a whole nother topic that
we could talk about for hours.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But the food labeling system here in the United States
is broken.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh no kidding, Yeah, I happen to know is very
very broken. It's ridiculously uninformative, and you know, and you know,
sesme was named the ninth major food ology in about
a year and a half ago, the ninth. He's highly
aders and so manufacturers are supposed to include sesame on
the food label, but some food manufacturers have not gotten
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the memo. So there's you know, sesame is grounded over
the half the bread we eat and you don't know
it because they.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Still don't listen on the label.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But yeah, we've had numerous close calls with sesame, but
that most He.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Can't eat any sesame oil either, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's another thing that's you know, like, for instance, Chick
fil A made.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
With peanut oil.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Really, oh yeah, I said, Oh, your son can't eat
a Chick fil A. That is his hands down favorite
place in the entire world to eat. But he can
eat it because it's overly refined peanut oil. It's not
it's not cold press or expeller press peanut oil. If
they were using the expensive peanut oil like speller press
you get from Whole Foods, that would be a problem.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But it's not. It's overly refined.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Can he eat olive oil?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay, good because honestly, life without olive oil one of
the healthiest substances you can put in your body, and
reasonable amounts. I the Oh my gosh, I went to
Italy and they have olive oil there that is from
a different planet. It's from a different planet. I'm sure
it's the same thing in Greece. I just don't remember it.
I wasn't into olive oil as much when I went
(15:09):
to Greece for the first time. But oh my goodness,
Italy has great oil anyway, that's true. And the people too,
and the culture and the history. It's an unbelievable, wonderful place.
You are listening to Houston, PA, Houston's Public Affairs Show.
My name is Laurent. My guest is Gail Gould. She
is the CPR and Safety Lady. If you can't tell,
(15:31):
she is online at CPR and Safetylady dot com. Can't
be easier than that, right, The CPR and Safety Lady
is online at dot com. We briefly talked about AEDs,
these automated external defibrillators, and I mentioned that they're in
airports particularly visible. Do you feel that way? Is that
(15:51):
just me? I know they're everywhere, but why do I
feel like I mostly see them in airports.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Well, they're required in airports, and they're required to be
within three walking distance of each other. I remember, that's
that's why you see that. So you're see an AD
in the airport. Well, there's a lot of them, Yes,
so there's two minutes you'll see another eighties. So they're
required in airports, are required on airplanes. They were required,
I believe now in twenty eight states schools all have
to have eighties.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And they use them.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't know what all states don't have aren't required
in schools, But in Texas they are required in schools and.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
They use them.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
People often think it only happens to old, out of
shape people, and nothing could be further in the truth. LIQ,
what happened to Brownie James last summer? Lebron James and
I call him King James. Look what happened to some
last summer? Some had a cardiac arrest at usc USC
is an excellent emergency action plan. They gave him CPR,
shocked him, and they saved his life. I didn't know
that yeah, wow, he does he play football.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
He's a basketball player.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Okay, And yes, I'm sorry, Yes I know, I know,
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Follow back basketball. That was all
the saying with me. There's a ball and there's a
bunch of guys.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But it definitely, it definitely happens.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
In fact, one in three hundred student athletes has an
undetected heart problem. In fact, one in three hundred student
athletes has. In fact, Katie isd here in Houston has
had so many kids go into cardiac or ass so
many teenagers that they bought their own EKG machines and
(17:20):
they're looking at the logical activity in your heart. My
son's had two ekg's, one when he was thirteen, wo
when he was in nineteen. And I know that when
we went to last summer, it was in a leave
community SEM. It was set up by a guy I
know who're from Houston named Scott Stevens, and he puts
together all these EKG screenings because he turned his pain
(17:41):
into passion. His son was six foot nine, getting ready
to go off on a football of scholarship about ten
years ago, died in his sleep. They did an autopsy
and found that he had something called hypertrophic cardiomopthy which
is a large athlete's heart, and he didn't want this
to happen to anyone else, so he actually went to
Austin made and then EKG was included on sports physicals
(18:02):
and he does these EKG screenings all over Texas. So
when we did last summer, since he's a friend of mine,
that kind of let me in the back and watch
and see what was going on. He told me at
a four hundred kids the EKH screen last summer eight
needed further testings.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's two percent.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
How long does it take if I take your class?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, every CPR class or also includes ad automatic, a
fair blair and choking, So it takes about two hours.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Okay, so that's quick at first aid. Onto that now
you're looking at four and a half to five hours.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What's first aid was that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
First day you learn when to call nine on one.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We discussed blow warm pathogens, We talked about how to
control life threatening bleeding, what to do someone as a seizure,
head neck, back injuries, moza bunds and joints and uh
so it's it's a lot more comprehensive and actually you
know you're more likely to be using first say than
you are a CPR.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Really, so like knowing if somebody seems to have a
back injury, knowing what position is best to put them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
In exactly, or somebody has a broken bone, or you
know what to do in case of it heat emergency,
someone's having a heat stroke, snake bites.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You know, we just cover the game.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Does poison out work?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I always help people, do not use the John Wing
cutting suck method. Like, I'm always amazed that people don't
know how to help a seizure victim.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Seizure victims?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Someone's in their chair, they're having a Grandma seizure, having
uncontrolled muscavulsions. Get them on the floor and move everything
out of the way. Move all people, move off furniture,
move all objects, and let them have their seizure. Don't
revealing them, don't hold them down, don't put anything in
their mouth. It's kind of an old wives tale like
the twentieth century waves that let them have their seizure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
The only thing you want to do, maybe is protect
their head if they're thrashing their head around.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Once you're done convulsie, roll them on their side because
there's a good chance they may vomit it, regurget it,
and you don't want people lay in their back where
they're vomiting.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So what I think is particularly interesting is that this
instruction you can even teach on the radio. In other words,
instruation is not necessary, not absolutely necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know what, Lauren. You can teach people how to
do hands only CPR over the radio, and so do it.
Hands only CPR is CPR with no breathing. And the
first thing you have to determine is if someone needs CPR.
And the way you'll know someone needs CPR is they
are I'm responsive and they're not breathing normally or they're
not breathing at all.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
That's how you know if someone needs CPR. There's no
pulse check. The pulse check was eliminated over twenty years ago.
So everybody thinks there's a pulse check because they see
on TV in the movies. Yeah, but there's no pulse check,
So no cure. Someone needs CPR. If theyre i'm responsive,
not breathing normally, not breathing at all, they need CPR.
And all you want to do is place your hands.
(20:42):
You stack one hand right on top of another. Place
the heel of your hand in the center of the
chest on the vertical access to the sternum, right between
the two nipples, and you push hard and fast until
advance help arrives.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And that's it. So you can do hands only CPR
on people.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We'll just put your hands on top of each other
over the middle of their sternum.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Between their nipples. That's easy.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And then I heard that you're seeing uh.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Staying alive by the begs.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
The beat?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Is that for real?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
It's for real and you want to make so that's
pretty fast. It's it's very fast, and it's very hard
if you don't push hard enough effective because the rib
cage is strong. Yes, you want to push. You want
to push harder than you tuly think you need to.
No hands only CPR is only meant for teenagers and older.
You cannot do it for young children. You still need
(21:34):
to give compressions plus ventilations. But for teenagers ten eleven,
twelve and older you can do hands only SEPR and
it's very very effective.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And the ventilation you're talking about is mouth to mouth.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Is that the mouth breathing right right now?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
The survivor rates who sudden cardiacress in the United States
is only eight to ten percent. Really, it's very very low.
The reason it's so low, Number one, most Americans don't
know CPR.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Maybe the person was afraid they were going to be sued.
They didn't want.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
To touch a person. Maybe that's not a thing. We
need to repeat that in case people were just tuning in.
If you administer CPR to a person, you cannot be sued.
The law protects you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You could assume me.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
If I looked at your cross eye, but you're covered
under the good samarital loon.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But you yeah, covering up the good samarital.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You know, maybe the person wasn't found for several hours.
One of my clients over there.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Corporate client, she's pointing.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
In another building, there was a guy that took a
nap every day lunch. One day, they were like, he's
taking a really long nap.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Then went there. He was at napping. He'd gone to
cardiacress at his desk. He'd been there about an hour.
They went in and gave him CPR and used an eighty.
But your brain starts to die after for four minutes.
So but that was just today to bring grief counselors in.
I mean it was sad, but yeah, I mean instead
of the person isn't found for a long period of time.
But so survivor has very low. Now, the good news
(23:01):
is if somebody receives immediate CPR and then they get
shocked with ad with the first three minutes, now survivorates
go up to seventy to seventy four percent.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, is there another method that you can teach over
the radio for CPR or just saving lives? You know,
advice on saving lives. We talked about, talked about the
Heimlich maneuver. We talked about how to protect somebody having
a seizure. You just you just let them have a
seizure and you get everything out of their way so
they don't hit something and break a bone. Well, that's easy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Controlling life threatening bleeding, which you know is okay, so
prevalent today, oh my gosh. And uh so what's interesting
here is it uncontrolled bleeding is the number one cause
a preventable death from trauma.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So what do you do? What do you do if
someone has put your finger in the hole, there's a hole,
I've seen it sort.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Of kind that's kind of what you want to do
if someone you know is there's blood spurting from the wound. Yeah,
I mean very heavy, very very bright red. No need
to wash it off, Just apply pressure with your hand
and continue to do that until advance help arrives. If
you have a pressure bandage to wrap that around, if
you have a tourniquet placed it two inches about anternity, well,
(24:15):
all school nurses have tourniquets, no kidding. In fact, oh
absolutely yeah, they have that in narcan. And that's a
whole other topic. But in fact, we used to recommend
just Class A first aid kids cured tournicuts. Now we're
recommending excuse me, we used to we used to recommend
just Class.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
B first aid kids at tourniicuts.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Now we're recommending every first ay kid as a tournique
Class A and Class B. Class B is sort of
more industrial manufacturing. But I recommend all my clients.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You need a tonicut.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, your fortaked and all schools have narcan. Nar Can
is you know, the lock zone is the only thing
that were reversed a live threatening to drug overdose and cyperus.
Fair Branks, I'm sure they love me sharing this last
year in August at the beginning of school.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
They do use narcan wise fentanyl overdoses. So the scourge
of the fentanyl invasion that is allowed through our border,
and believe me, it's allowed, it could be stopped or
at least slowed down, is that they can put it
in anything. They can put in a joint, and if
you smoke fentanyl, the chances that you're going to die
while smoking that joint go up one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm crazy dangerous, So glad you know about that. My
son had a friend who died from a fenton lover dose.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
He was smoking a joint. I don't know what he.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was doing, but he was the best kid ever. Yeah,
it's crazy, super smart, successful, had about half a million
dollars in his bank account. He was so successful. Made
one bad choice, one bad decision, and the cops told
his dad. They said, the drug dealers don't care.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
They chopped this all together, whether it's weed, cocaine, and
it's just contaminated. So you know, maybe in places like
Colorado and California where marijuana is legal, but when my
son went up to college, we told him we would
rather you drink responsibly do any drugs. And I think
he took our advice. He called us after about a
month being the goes, how do you get vomited out
(26:06):
of a leather shoes and a sports jacket?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But we're losing one hundred and thirty thousand Americans per
year to fentanyl overnesses. They killed Prince, they killed Tom Petty,
and the guy who plays the joker, I forget his name,
Heath Ledger. Anyway, we've demonstrated that you can teach CPR
in two hours if you make it a four hour court.
You can also teach first aid. And my last question
(26:33):
for you is why isn't it taught in schools by law?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, it is by the time you're really I didn't
take it as by the time your child as a senior.
This happened about seven years ago. Oh yeah, your child
as a senior in high school. They're required to take
a thirty minute CPR class.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
That's not long enough if it takes two hours.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, no, it's a thirty minute CPR class. Listen. I'm
just glad.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
They're you know, doing Yeah, that's progress. But why can't
we just do two hours? Well it's a fun class too.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Some health teachers do teach it.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
In fact, when my son was in middle school sbi
C Spring Branch, they ask parents to come teach electives,
so nine week to the middle school students for three years.
It was so much fun. That's what I'm saying is
that it's kind of like a field trip. You get
to go to the gym or maybe outside even better
if the weather's nice, and you learn these these easy
life saving methods.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it was. It was a blast. I love doing
it was just it was a great experience.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And and you know, your child can start taking CPR
when they're about ten.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, okay's great. That's different than what I thought. I'm
gonna have to ask my teenagers what they know how
to do. But I mean my my teenage niece and nephew,
they don't. They don't necessarily answer every question I asked them,
especially if I text it to them, then it's like
it goes into a black hole or something. It's like, hey, if.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
They've asked them, if they've taken the CPR classes. Yeah,
there's a lot of health teachers that do teach it.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's it should be by law, the whole, the whole shebang.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Well, what was funny? One one thing great about social media.
About two years ago, someone from Lithuania have reached out
to me on social media. By the way, please go
follow me over at the CPR and Safety Lady on Instagram.
But she said, in Lithuania you must show proof of
a CPA for sake card in order to get a
driver's license.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh that's hey, Well that's one way to mandate.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I think it's the same way in Germany. I'm not positive.
I think here in Texas, like every man f himself right, but.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Uh, well that's an oversimplification, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
But no, I wish you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I personally think it should be required. Yeah, new parents
to take CPR before baby comes home from the hospital.
But I'm currently not in charge. It's not a requirement,
but I train a lot. CPR train a lot of
new and expecting parents.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Folks go to CPR and safety Lady dot com. CPR
and safety Lady dot com. You can take your class
from Gail directly, and you probably won't to now that
you've heard her speak, and teach it to your kids.
Make sure they learn it and be like and make
plans to learn it. I haven't done that yet, but
I'm gonna and it's easy enough. It sounds fun too.
(29:06):
That's my biggest thing. If you have any questions related
to Houston, PA folks, just send me an email. Texan
from France at gmail dot com. Texan from France at
gmail dot com. I thank you for listening and caring
about the issues I put on this show. My name
is Laurent I am the Texan from France and this
has been Houston, PA, Houston's public affairs show, Houston Strong.
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