May 10, 2024 • 28 mins
It's the flip side of the coin from last week's show. Charch and Thor highlight rookies who got drafted into difficult spots, which could significantly hamper their fantasy fortunes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and
whatever stupid stuff they decided to drop into the show.
Now here's your host, Paul Chargian.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome everybody. I am Paul Charchie and it's Fantasy Football Weekly.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Joining me again.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Like last week, thorn Eister Mischieval really put a rap
on most of our very draft specific coverage. You know,
at this point, now we're a couple of weeks out,
and you know, I feel like we've covered a lot
of bases leading up to the draft, the draft itself.
We did a first round show last week. We talked
about the ideal landing spots, guys that fell into spots
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where we think they can have immediate impact. Now we're
gonna flip it overor we're gonna talk about some of
the guys that we feel like good players, but guys
that didn't really fall into spots or they have as
nearly as easy an opportunity for immediate success.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's right. Yeah, you got to roll with the punches
in life, and some of these guys their initial step
acclimation into the NFL. They have some tougher situations to
work through than some of the guys that we were
talking about last week. So we're going to talk about
those some of those situations today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So we're not suggesting these players are never gonna have
fantasy value or that they're not good players. A lot
of times we like these players, we don't like the situation.
What we are saying is they've got complicated paths to
achieve reliable fantasy success, particularly in the short term. Mostly
I've done I've called this list together from players who
have are that were taken between rounds two and four
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because I don't think there's a lot of value going well,
this seventh rounder didn't really hit a great.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Spot, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So you know, we're talking about good players that just
fall fell into tough spots.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And like last week, I want to start the running
back position.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We've got a lot of running backs that really fell
into tough spots. So this was a thin running back
draft anyway, right didn't have the big high end talent,
and then some of these guys fell into bad So
let'speaking with Blake coorm False goes to the Rams in
round three. He's currently going off the board at picks
seventeen in non superflex rookie drafts. And obviously the problem
is Kyron Williams was really good last year. You know,
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Sean McVay, you know, middle of the pack. You know
he's he's not a run heavy cours play caller. So
the competition with Kavi Williams Williams is real. What are
your thoughts on this spot for Blake.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Korm Yeah, I think that they took him in order
to try to protect themselves as an insurance policy against
the Kyron Williams injury. Obviously, with the size with Kien Williams,
using him as a bell cow every single season, with
the usage they were giving them last season is not
going to work out long term. You're gonna get him injured.
And the way that they did this, it's interesting. With Korum,
I think the quorum initially bites heavily into the early
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down work of Kien Williams. Kyen Williams will be on
the field for all the all the passing downs and
everything like that, and I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
So you're saying Blake Koram is going to start. And
if you think that's the case when well.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I think right from the get it's the early down stuff. Okay, yeah,
but the offense they're the constitution of it. It's so
much of the passing and Kyen Williams. You're not taking
him off the field for that, but in order to
keep him on the field and guarantee that you have
Karen Williams into the playoff theoretical playoff run. Yeah, I
think you know, again the buying the insurance policy here
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with Quorum, and Quorum's thing is it's that stuff, the
efficiency on the ground, which obviously they leveraged so much
on the last year's national title team at Michigan. They're
going to like the patience with him, the vision and
then the agility, the way that he sets guys up
and then forces the off angle attempts, the early down efficiency,
and I think that that's what they're bringing him in
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for and again in order to increase the odds that
they have Kien Williams healthy the entire season. Karen Williams,
his owners probably didn't like to see that, but you're
still going to get all the passing down stuff with him.
But yeah, the early down work, I think Quorum takes
a bit bite out of it as a rookie. All right.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Interesting, So if that's the case, he's currently going off
the board to pick seventeen non super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Is that too late? Do you think you should go higher?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Most people, I mean, the consensus thinking is that Karen
Williams was so efficient in this Rams offense last year,
that Williams is going to be is going to be
the primary and that Koran maybe you know, worked in
a little bit here and there, picked their spots, maybe
some passing downs, things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You're flipping the narrative a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It might it might be a little bit. Yeah, Koran
could have found a better landing if.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Dallas, Dallas would have been great, Chargers would have been great.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
The other side of La Absolutely there was ones that
were better. But I think that he's going to get
a bit more work as a rookie than people are
giving it credit for. And if Karen Williams gets injured
at Cours, then now then it's game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It potentially a top ten for fantasy running back at
that point. Next let's go to Ray Davis, who drops
into Buffalo. Now, I like Ray Davis, and I texted.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You about a week before the draft.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yes, because I finally up on Ray Davis and I'm
looking at his games. I'm like, man, this guy was productive.
They used him a lot of different ways. There were
a lot of things I liked about Ray Davis's game.
But he falls into Buffalo where James Cook is the
established starter and he's earned the right to get first carries,
and most of Sean McDermott's tenure a Buffalo, he's employed
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a committee backfield, and then of course, on top of
all that, Josh Allen steals a lot of close in touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I don't like this landing spot for Ray Davis.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What are your thoughts as far as the evaluation itself?
And I'm rooting for Ray Davis a kid. People look
up his background. He's an inspirational story. And not only
that when he gets to college, he fought through bad
situations throughout. It was at Temple at the start, and
then later on Vandy and then he finally gets to Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, but he was getting ganged up on initially at
those spots because he was the only offensive player that
they had, and he would fight through all these loaded
boxes and then when he got to Kentucky, especially the
last season, you saw a little bit different. Where earlier
on been more the short yardage grinder guy and had
a bigger build. He clearly worked on his body to
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try to improve the athletic testing, got a little bit smaller,
got down to two to eleven, bowling ball type guy,
another one of those five eight and a half. My
is my concern with his EVO is is he maxed out?
Is he another key Sean Vaughn. That is what we'll
have to see going to Buffalo. If it works out
for him as far as early on, it's because he
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has taken the early down work and James Cook, you know,
essentially becomes what I was just suggesting that Kyron Williams
will be, and then Davis can steal some of that
Blake Korum early downwork here because Buffalo doesn't have a
lot of early down candidates for that. But like you
mentioned when when we're talking about fantasy, you want some
of those those high leverage opportunities to be a clear
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pathway to that the touchdowns if it's going if you know,
he's not going to be getting any catches, which in
Buffalo they're not going to be using Ray Davis as
a result, you want to note that, Yeah, around the
goal line, we're gonna have that opportunity. I think hit
the nail on the head. I don't think that's going
to be there for him. Maybe between the twenties you
see a little bit of that stuff with him being
used in that area. But yeah, not the best landing
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spot for him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeap, Ray Davis picked twenty seven in non superflex rookie drafts.
All right, let's go to another guy who another running
back that we were pretty excited about, but we really
don't like the spot. It's Marshawn Lloyd falls to Green
Bay round three. He's picked nineteen in non superflex rookie drafts,
and he's just plastered on the bench behind Josh Jacobs.
I don't think AJ Dillon's a huge factor here, but man,
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the fact that they even resigned AJ Dillon is anyway.
Jacobs signed through twenty twenty seven, but the nature of
his contract means that he's cuttable after two years. But man,
I don't want to wait two years to see Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Is I assume the clear number one based on what
they paid him in the pedigree. What are your thoughts
on Marshawn Lloyd in Green Bay?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
This might be the most annoying landing spot of anyone.
I was very excited about, like you were mentioned, very
excited about Marshall Lloyd. Almost five nine, two hundred and
twenty pounds, eighty six percentile athlete, and he has four
or four wheels and he knows how to use him.
He has the combination of make you miss and power
that gets him out to the second level into open grass.
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The change of direction as well, and then he can
get to the top gear real quick. Once once he
is into it to open grass, he runs mean. We
asked him about that down in mobile, like why do
you run so mean, Marshawan, And he goes because I'm
from Delaware, And that's what we had to do.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We had to show but what it's like to Delaware.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So we got to kick out of that very thick
lower body and it's a loaded spring where he just
snaps the arm tackles. He's a fighter. I love his
contact balance. The thing with him though now you had
here it's a guy in college that was never used
on passing downs and that was the thing with his evaluation,
It's like, was that just because the usage first at
South Carolina and then at the other USC when he
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went and played with Caleb Williams last season? Was it
just because of that usage? And then he got dig
up throughout college, had an acl tear nagging injuries here
and there. The upside with him as the pure runner
on the early downs is just about as high as
anybody in this class. I don't think that they're going
to use him whatsoever on the passing downs. But the
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situation that he got into on the early downs, what
are you going to be shoving aside Josh Jacobs or
aj Dillon. That's his mission if he choose to accept it.
But this is a tough, tough landing spot for Marshall Lloyd.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It is all right, Let's next. Let's go to running
back Jalen Wright, who drops into Miami. A brutal landing
spot for him. Fourth round selection going off the board
right now, pick twenty in non superflex rookie drafts. Obviously
massive problems here with Raheem Moster, Devon h Chan, Jeff Wilson.
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And he's a Miami kind of run.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
He's a Dolphin style runner.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Super fast, right, Yet he's got some of the solid
build abilities and he can run inside. I mean, he
fits what they like to do there.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But this is a up. It's a brutal spot to fall.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Into, and it's too bad because we were so close
to getting the ideal one. Dallas had done a lot
of work on Jalen Right during the pre draft process,
and Jalen Right at five ten and a half, two
ten with ninety eight percentile athleticism as a guy that
I compared to Tony Pollard in the middle. How about
that that would have been pert You would have had
your Tony p Yes, Dallas, strangely in that pick elected
to go with this long arm, Notre Dame linebacker who
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misses a bunch of tackles. And I wasn't terribly impressed
with this tape, which then Jalen Wright you fall into
Saturday when when Miami ends up taking Jalen Right, a
lot of people were surprised. I wasn't I have been
told in the pre draft process that Miami was all
over it. Yeah, they were the number one team that
wastes all such a good fit for what they like
to do. Mike McDaniel fetishizes running backs like this, and
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I think people when they look at the fitt devonan
Chane and then you re signed most of it, they're like,
why would you invest draft equity into a guy like
Jalen Wright. I'll tell you. I'll tell you why, because
I asked around. It's because you have Devon Chane. You
have to limit him to twelve around ten touches that's
per game. Yeah, you have to because if you do
more than that, now you are to break him down exactly.
The injuries are going to come. So you have to
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do that. Number One, Jalen Wright is being brought in
I believe, and you know the conversations that I've had
for the passing downs initially, that is how that they
can mitigate the times where aucchains on the field. He's
the early downs. You can have moster coming as well
a little bit on the early downs, but Jalen Right's
going to handle some the passing down stuff. Initially. Jalen
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Right very good receiver. He's also a super duper underrated
pass blocker coming out there. Jalen Right freak athlete, was
on the Feldman Freak Class multiple times. Thirty five carries
of ten plus yards on only one hundred and thirty
six attempts last season. That means that more than one
quarter of his attempts went for more than ten yards.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's nuts.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
He had the fastest track GPS time on a run
last season amongst running backs twenty two point two miles
per hour. You're talking speed for days with that kid,
and he proved it down in Indianapolis at the NFL
combined with a high four to threes. And he also can.
He's elusive as well. He breaks tackles. One hundred and
thirty two point two elusive rating last season was near
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the top of this class. So you have all that stuff.
What they have to work on him with it's the
vision and working in a conventional, more constricted area as
a runner on those early downs because Jalen Wright comes
from this Mickey Mouse spread offense where it played right
into his strengths. Because Jalen it's like a Tevin Coleman
as a runner where he wants to see that crease
down the field yea, and he wants to hit dingers,
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which was great, a great fit for that Tennessee offense.
But initially in practices that is what Miami is going
to be working on him with but he doesn't. They're
not going to need him for that, I think right away,
because Auchan's gonna be handling that you use him on
the field as a rookie for the passing downs. And
then of course he's injury insurance for aud Chane as well.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's Jalen Wright ends up in Miami.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think he hits.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think this just turns into now like a three
headed monster. But at some point they're gonna be games
or series of games where moster's hurt, a chans hurt,
and there's gonna be you know, he'll have some opportunity
and he used to go together like the twenty carry game,
and he's gonna go nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
The Jets surprise many people by spending fourth and fifth
round picks at running back. They took Brailen Allen, Isaiah Davis.
They're currently going out the board is picks thirty three
and forty seven in non superflex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, the problems here are many.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
They're stylistically similar, so they'll bad each other stylistically, and
then of course they're behind Breeze Hall and maybe is
he about a Conda who with many people at this
time last year we're super excited about So you get
the feeling here. And by the way, and if you're
gonna have to wait a while for them to be
a starter Alan or Davis.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, who's the Jets quarterback?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If you're waiting two years down the road for one
of those guys to pop, I don't know what that
offense is going to look like. Posts Aaron Rodgers, and
we you know how big of a setback is that
going to be? So thoughts on Brailan Allen and Isaiah
Davis for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I was so confused by what the Jets did over
the week, and I was under the assumption that this
was a win now team and really none of the
decisions they were making were way to win now this one.
These two as well, we're confusing to me. I like
Isja Davis, he was my rbaight. I was bullish on him.
Braylan Allen was my RB nine. So they were there
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right there and like you were setting up there. They
are similar ish in the utility that you would use
him for in the NFL. With Isja Davis, I compared
him to Tyler l Jeer you have the power and
the contact bounds and he's super patient and then he's
like he has this upright running style. He's sort of unique.
It's like a slalomy thing. You know, he's waiting, waiting,
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and then that's how he changes the angle of the
guy coming in on him to force it from a
flush tackle attempt to the off angle thing. And he
was playing in the FCS. He was the belkow for
the colossus South Dakota State team that just just rolled
over everybody, and when defenders would have an off angle
on him sometimes it was like in the cartoon where
they run into the side of the mountain and they
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just peel off down on it. Like Ija Davis's contact
bounds with the power he runs with is so nice.
The receiving utility, I'm not really sure with him. I
know that Brailan Allen doesn't have any of that. Brailan
Allen is your classic Wisconsin hammerback who was miscast in
the system that they change into last year under Phil
Longoor is this spread thing and throwing a little bit more.
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I compared Brailan Alan six one two hundred and thirty
six pounds to Rashad Jennings. They're very similar, and like
you said, it's a terrible landing spot for both of them,
and then you wonder can both of them make the
roster with what that room looks like right now?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right, I've got a few more guys that dropped
into bad landing spots.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Will highlight them when we come back in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Welcome back, segment number two Fantasy Football Weekly, talking about
some landing spots that have troubled us for a variety
of different players. It's been all running back so far,
and I got an all of it for you.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Will Shipley ends up in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He was a fourth round selection by the Eagles. He's
going after the word right now, pick thirty seven in
non superflex rookie drafts. So a lot of people have
the same concerns I have because they signed Saquon Barkley,
and then of course you got Kenneth Gamil in there.
Philly always uses that rotation runners, and to top everything off,
anytime the balls inside the five yard line, the easy
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touchdowns are getting swept up by Jalen Hurts. So a
lot of things working against Will Shipley here.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, So the situation he heads into, that's problem one.
Here's problem two for me. The issue is Shipley's evaluation
is he's never going to be his NFL team's best
early down runner. He wasn't that at Clemson. That was
film offa. So for Will Shipley to have NFL utility,
it has to be on the passing downs, and then
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he has to offer it on special teams as well.
He can return, He categorically cannot pass block, which means
that the utility on those passing downs it has to
come as a receiver. Well, here's the issue there. In college,
he never brought one yard flat per route run and
he dropped five balls the last two seasons on the
dump offs around lineup scrimmage for it. Yeah, people went
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nuts about him because he was the five star recruit
and he's five ten two oh six and he tested
as a ninety seven percentile athlete. I did not see
it with Will Shipley. I I don't know how long
he hangs on that roster of Philly.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right, that's that's that's some damning stuff right there.
Next we switch over to the wide receiver position. Donnie
Mitchell ends up in Indianapolis second round pick, currently going
off the board pick fourteen and non superflex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But the problem is the competition, right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So you know, Michael Pitman's great Josh Downs looks promising.
Alec Pierce hasn't panned out as hoped, unfortunately, but he's
still in the mix a little bit here. There are
some things to like about Mitchell. Not a big bodied guy,
but you like the acceleration, his fluidness, he plays with.
He plays with some swagger and some nasty to him
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that I like. Uh, but this is a it's a
tricky landing spot with a young quarterback who's effectively on
a reboot of his rookie season. What are your thoughts
on a Donnie Mitchell in this landing spot with Indianapolis?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
So I spent all the spring arguing with people about
a Donna Mitchell because they were you know, he's a first,
He's got the ceiling of a superstar in there. You
just have to assume a little bit of risk if
you take him. My take on him was the exact
opposite that inverted. I think he is a lower ceiling
guy who has a high floor. I thought he was
sitting dead red on the evaluation as your prototypical pop
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the top NFL wide receiver two, where the opposing defense
has to keep a safety high on that side of
the field, which has the effect of helping the spacing
of the other players on the field. The guys who
could tell you about this are Xavier Worthy and Jatavian Sanders,
who benefited from that extra spacing of having a Donna
Mitchell on the field. But he doesn't. A Donna Mitchell
does not win in the intermediate area. He doesn't win
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in the short area. The reason for that is he
can't change directions without telegraphing. Yet he's not a good
rout runner. But he also just doesn't have agility period.
What he is is a size speed super free. He
has the four wheel four to three four I'm sorry
wheels ninety eight percentile broad jump. But I mentioned before
or a little bit slower of that ten yard split,
which was equivalent to Jalen Kulkers, Yeah, who ran a
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four or five to seven. It was also a co
equivalent to Jalen polk Rana four or five two. He
needs some grass in front of him to get to
top speed. But what he offers for Indianapolis it is
that popped the top boundary guy on the one side,
I'm sorry, mister Alec Pierce. This is the end of
the stuff for your Donna Mitchell has been brought in
to take your job, but with a DONNAE. Mitchell. As
far as the NFL fantasy utility, which is what we're
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here to talk about, it's this, he either hits dingers
or he strikes out right. It was that case the
entire time in Texas at Donna Mitchell last season on
awesome passing offense, he finished with thirty five or fewer
receiving yards in half of Texas's game seven to fourteen
couch thirty five or less. Thirty five or less.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
By the way, this guy's got guillotine disaster written all
over him.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, I mean, you have to choose right, right, And
then he went so, then how did he get all
the stats that he got, Well, he went over one
hundred and forty yards twice and he cracked one hundred
yards in a third. In those three games, he averaged
sixteen point six yards per catch. When he is not
hitting balls out of the yard, he's striking out and
he's a non factor outside of force in the defense.
To keep that safety high on his side of the field.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
All right, another receiver in a tricky landing spot. Jacob
Cowing ends up going in the fourth round to San
Francisco picked forty three is where he's going in non
super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So there's not a lot of people that like him here.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He's small, He's five eight, one hundred and seventy pounds.
He's a track star guy. He plays in the slot primarily,
and unless Deebo Samuel leaves, I don't see a pathway
for Cowing getting a lot of playing time here.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
In an ideal.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Scenario, he can be tanked del in a really good offense.
But I think a lot of things have to drop
into place here for him to get onto the field.
What are your thoughts on Jacob Cowing San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You said it, there's been all the trade rumors with
the top two San Francisco forty nine er receivers. I
think Jacob Cowing is going to need chaos there with
both of them probably getting pushed out to have at
least early on utility when that probably is not going
to happen. He's an interesting evel in that you were
mentioning the size five to eight one sixty eight, which
is the thing that reminds you of Tank Dell and
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he has four three eight wheels. Early on in his
career at Utup, Jacob Cowing destroyed the Conference USA. He
was like a killer down there and he won down
the field. But then it was interesting the last couple
years he goes to Arizona and he's playing next to
a guy that charge one year from right now, we're
gonna be sitting here talking about a whole heck of
a lot TETAROA McMillan, who is going to be a
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top tenser.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
McMillan is a.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Absolute monster a right people watch Arizona this coming season.
This kid is amazing, but he's going to be a
top ten, top fifteen at worst pick on next season.
But Cowing was playing next to him. McMillan got everything
down the field. They turned Cowing into a close to
the line of scrimmage type guy. It was that that
was all the stuff. It was the quicker timing concepts.
So Cowing's a doots plummet to eight point four and
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six point seven the last two years. Now he still
got pounded with a ton of targets. But again McMillan's
getting all the downfiel, so Cowen getting all the short stuff.
I was hoping when when Cowing went to the Senior
Ball that he was going to harken back to his
usage at start winning down the field more. I didn't
see it as much with him. He was getting pushed
around a little bit. It wasn't the same thing that
I had seen with Tank Dell the year before, when
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Tank Dell was destroying everyone and no one. Everyone started
wanting to tie their shoes in the one on one.
The defensive backs when they get the up front of
the line, they're like, oh, no, coach, I gotta go
and get some water. Now let him go. It wasn't
the same thing with Colling. I saw one rep where
cam Hart, the kid from a Notre Dame who's like
six foot two and a half and two hundred ten pounds,
he was staying with Jacob Cowing in the intermediate range,
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just staying in his hip pocket. So and then Jacob
Cowen got injured on the last day at the Senior Bowl.
He has ability and he can separate. His separation rates
have been very good throughout his career. But you're you're
wondering about the body type and then going to the
next level. But it is a good in terms of
San Francisco. If if stuff clears out ahead of him,
that's what he's going to need to have that utility
early on.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We've got just another minute here. I want to I
want to ask you about this, and we limited our
focus here to just from rounds two through four, basically because.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
These are good players, promising players.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But I want to hit you with the one first rounder,
Rock Bowers, the oddball landing spot. I don't think an
anybody saw the Raiders coming as your as the landing
spot for brock Bowers. I would have assumed the Raiders
are traded out of the spot or they'd have done
something else because they put that high second round pick
and the first tight end taken in last year's draft
in Michael Mayer. So you know it's an oddball spot.
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What do you think about brock Bauers And do you
feel like this.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Bowers is awesome?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Don't get me wrong, but do you think this slows
the progression a little bit or changes your outlook fantasy
outlook on brock Bowers having fallen to Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Not at all maybe a little bit for Mayor, although
they can play on the.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Field like Daggers may right, but they can play.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
On the field at the same time to see the
way that that shakes out. But no, not for Bowers.
I'll tell you why. Brock Bauers walked into Georgia when
he did their receiving court, they had George Pickens, they
had Donnie Mitchell, they had lad Conky, Kiris Jackson, and
Marcus Rossomi Jack Saint. They had all these NFL guys.
Then in the tight end room, they had Darna Washington,
NFL tight end. Yeah, their starting running back was James Cook,
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an awesome man, pass right guy on So he was
there for three seasons as a true freshman. He leads
the team in receiving. Was there clear wide receiver, which
is pretty crazy wide receiver one. I'm putting that in
bunny quotes. And then it was a first team All American.
He did it again the next two seasons. What's so
crazy about that. It's not just that he shoved aside
all these different NFL guys to assent immediately to become
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the number one guy for that. It's it's coming right
out for these teams that were dominant. Georgia won the
national title when he was a true freshman, but he
was clearly their best offensive weapon. They did it again
when he was a sophomore, and they may have done
it again last year if brock Bauers hadn't gotten nicked up.
People don't talk enough about that. The middle of the season,
he gets injured, anyone else in his position shuts it down.
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He wanted to come back as fast as he could
to try to give Georgia a shot for the three beat.
He did tight rope surgery, this emergency tight rope surgery
back for the end of the season. He was not
one hundred percent when he came back. They end up
Georgia ends up losing a close decision to Alabama in
the SEC title game. They didn't get that shot. Despite that,
Guess what, brock Bauers led the team in receiving again,
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even though he would played ten games and he was
compromised most of the time. Not only that he was
amazing on the running concepts, They would do different stuff
with him, bring him into the backfield. During his career,
nineteen carries over three seasons. Those went for one hundred
and ninety three yards. Five touchdowns. That's over ten yards
per carry. Kirby Smart, who is not a man known
for hyperbole, one of the best coaches we haven't college football,
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probably the best right now, said that if Georgia had
shifted brock Bauers two running back when he was on campus,
he would have been the best running back that they
had to.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Brock Bowers his size as a running back exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's just incredible, his vision, the agility, of course, the
speed he can take it to the house there and
he's the tackle break and berserker guy, you know, even
better than Senate of course, and even better than Laportovs.
So with him, people think about because you have to
call him and just with the position designation, so in
their head they start to evolte Kyle Pitts. It's different
with Kyle Pitts. He was the big guy that you
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send down and the team and that was the utility.
So that's dependent on other players on the field. Brock
Bauers is dependent on nobody else. He is idiot proof.
I heard people tossing on Oh, their offensive coordinators are dope.
It doesn't matter. He's going to make that guy and
he's gonna make Gardner Minshew look like a better quarterback
than he has by far, because all you have to
do is just shuttle the ball off to Tobauer short.
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He will take care of the rest, just like he
did throughout his career, from the day he stepped foot
onto those Colossus Georgia teams for in the middle of
their dynasty.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's all right, So you made me feel better about that.
Right now, he's going off the board in dynasty drafts
at pick eight. I'm thinking to myself, Okay, wait, I
mean is I don't think it's I don't think it's
unfair to say if I had to put one player
in this draft to go to the Hall of Fame,
I would I would pin my hopes on brock Bowers.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right, So okay, I have to start a tie down.
We always know every year there's about six good ones,
and sometimes there's even less than six good ones.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't understand why brock Bowers is going pick eight
right now in fantasy drafts. And it's still early, but
I think it'll change. But what are we missing here?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You get an immediate four or five step head start
on your opponent every single game. Now you have Brock
Bowers in your tight end slot against whoever that guy has.
I mean that that's what it's going to become. It
might be a little bit into the season when when
the usage starts to get I mean when they find
out really like okay, when Minshoo's like every single you know,
between him and Adams. But that's where all the usage
is going with that and with Bowers, it's going to
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be the short intermedia and then again you can shift
them into the backfield, do cool things with him around
the goal line, speaking to the fantasy thing. He can
run the ball in, he can He's absolutely comfortable doing that.
We saw that at Georgia in very high leverage spots.
The Raiders are going to see this immediately. The Raiders
juice their passing game way more with one slot later
than their division rival did. Take in a cornerback one
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spot higher than they did.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, wow, well, all right, you maybe feel a lot
better about Brock Powers.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I love the kid.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Didn't love the landing spot as much, but you know,
we don't have a great quarterback. We got Gardner Minshew's okay,
and then the Michael mayerth thing. But you've you've You've
got me totally energized.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Now now I'm in Gardner Minshew's gonna look better than
competent with rock powers.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It could be, it could be he might turn into
a sneaky fantasy starter. I think he could. He could,
I think he could. All right, thank you, my man,
great job, Thank you. I can follow Thor at thor
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Speaker 3 (28:42):
Talk to you next week, everybody, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
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Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
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Now here's your host, Paul Chargian.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome everybody. I am Paul Charchie and it's Fantasy Football Weekly.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Joining me again.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Like last week, thorn Eister Mischieval really put a rap
on most of our very draft specific coverage. You know,
at this point, now we're a couple of weeks out,
and you know, I feel like we've covered a lot
of bases leading up to the draft, the draft itself.
We did a first round show last week. We talked
about the ideal landing spots, guys that fell into spots
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where we think they can have immediate impact. Now we're
gonna flip it overor we're gonna talk about some of
the guys that we feel like good players, but guys
that didn't really fall into spots or they have as
nearly as easy an opportunity for immediate success.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's right. Yeah, you got to roll with the punches
in life, and some of these guys their initial step
acclimation into the NFL. They have some tougher situations to
work through than some of the guys that we were
talking about last week. So we're going to talk about
those some of those situations today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So we're not suggesting these players are never gonna have
fantasy value or that they're not good players. A lot
of times we like these players, we don't like the situation.
What we are saying is they've got complicated paths to
achieve reliable fantasy success, particularly in the short term. Mostly
I've done I've called this list together from players who
have are that were taken between rounds two and four
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because I don't think there's a lot of value going well,
this seventh rounder didn't really hit a great.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Spot, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So you know, we're talking about good players that just
fall fell into tough spots.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And like last week, I want to start the running
back position.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We've got a lot of running backs that really fell
into tough spots. So this was a thin running back
draft anyway, right didn't have the big high end talent,
and then some of these guys fell into bad So
let'speaking with Blake coorm False goes to the Rams in
round three. He's currently going off the board at picks
seventeen in non superflex rookie drafts. And obviously the problem
is Kyron Williams was really good last year. You know,
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Sean McVay, you know, middle of the pack. You know
he's he's not a run heavy cours play caller. So
the competition with Kavi Williams Williams is real. What are
your thoughts on this spot for Blake.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Korm Yeah, I think that they took him in order
to try to protect themselves as an insurance policy against
the Kyron Williams injury. Obviously, with the size with Kien Williams,
using him as a bell cow every single season, with
the usage they were giving them last season is not
going to work out long term. You're gonna get him injured.
And the way that they did this, it's interesting. With Korum,
I think the quorum initially bites heavily into the early
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down work of Kien Williams. Kyen Williams will be on
the field for all the all the passing downs and
everything like that, and I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
So you're saying Blake Koram is going to start. And
if you think that's the case when well.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I think right from the get it's the early down stuff. Okay, yeah,
but the offense they're the constitution of it. It's so
much of the passing and Kyen Williams. You're not taking
him off the field for that, but in order to
keep him on the field and guarantee that you have
Karen Williams into the playoff theoretical playoff run. Yeah, I
think you know, again the buying the insurance policy here
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with Quorum, and Quorum's thing is it's that stuff, the
efficiency on the ground, which obviously they leveraged so much
on the last year's national title team at Michigan. They're
going to like the patience with him, the vision and
then the agility, the way that he sets guys up
and then forces the off angle attempts, the early down efficiency,
and I think that that's what they're bringing him in
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for and again in order to increase the odds that
they have Kien Williams healthy the entire season. Karen Williams,
his owners probably didn't like to see that, but you're
still going to get all the passing down stuff with him.
But yeah, the early down work, I think Quorum takes
a bit bite out of it as a rookie. All right.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Interesting, So if that's the case, he's currently going off
the board to pick seventeen non super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Is that too late? Do you think you should go higher?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Most people, I mean, the consensus thinking is that Karen
Williams was so efficient in this Rams offense last year,
that Williams is going to be is going to be
the primary and that Koran maybe you know, worked in
a little bit here and there, picked their spots, maybe
some passing downs, things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
You're flipping the narrative a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It might it might be a little bit. Yeah, Koran
could have found a better landing if.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Dallas, Dallas would have been great, Chargers would have been great.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
The other side of La Absolutely there was ones that
were better. But I think that he's going to get
a bit more work as a rookie than people are
giving it credit for. And if Karen Williams gets injured
at Cours, then now then it's game.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It potentially a top ten for fantasy running back at
that point. Next let's go to Ray Davis, who drops
into Buffalo. Now, I like Ray Davis, and I texted.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You about a week before the draft.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yes, because I finally up on Ray Davis and I'm
looking at his games. I'm like, man, this guy was productive.
They used him a lot of different ways. There were
a lot of things I liked about Ray Davis's game.
But he falls into Buffalo where James Cook is the
established starter and he's earned the right to get first carries,
and most of Sean McDermott's tenure a Buffalo, he's employed
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a committee backfield, and then of course, on top of
all that, Josh Allen steals a lot of close in touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I don't like this landing spot for Ray Davis.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
What are your thoughts as far as the evaluation itself?
And I'm rooting for Ray Davis a kid. People look
up his background. He's an inspirational story. And not only
that when he gets to college, he fought through bad
situations throughout. It was at Temple at the start, and
then later on Vandy and then he finally gets to Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, but he was getting ganged up on initially at
those spots because he was the only offensive player that
they had, and he would fight through all these loaded
boxes and then when he got to Kentucky, especially the
last season, you saw a little bit different. Where earlier
on been more the short yardage grinder guy and had
a bigger build. He clearly worked on his body to
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try to improve the athletic testing, got a little bit smaller,
got down to two to eleven, bowling ball type guy,
another one of those five eight and a half. My
is my concern with his EVO is is he maxed out?
Is he another key Sean Vaughn. That is what we'll
have to see going to Buffalo. If it works out
for him as far as early on, it's because he
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has taken the early down work and James Cook, you know,
essentially becomes what I was just suggesting that Kyron Williams
will be, and then Davis can steal some of that
Blake Korum early downwork here because Buffalo doesn't have a
lot of early down candidates for that. But like you
mentioned when when we're talking about fantasy, you want some
of those those high leverage opportunities to be a clear
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pathway to that the touchdowns if it's going if you know,
he's not going to be getting any catches, which in
Buffalo they're not going to be using Ray Davis as
a result, you want to note that, Yeah, around the
goal line, we're gonna have that opportunity. I think hit
the nail on the head. I don't think that's going
to be there for him. Maybe between the twenties you
see a little bit of that stuff with him being
used in that area. But yeah, not the best landing
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spot for him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeap, Ray Davis picked twenty seven in non superflex rookie drafts.
All right, let's go to another guy who another running
back that we were pretty excited about, but we really
don't like the spot. It's Marshawn Lloyd falls to Green
Bay round three. He's picked nineteen in non superflex rookie drafts,
and he's just plastered on the bench behind Josh Jacobs.
I don't think AJ Dillon's a huge factor here, but man,
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the fact that they even resigned AJ Dillon is anyway.
Jacobs signed through twenty twenty seven, but the nature of
his contract means that he's cuttable after two years. But man,
I don't want to wait two years to see Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
And Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Is I assume the clear number one based on what
they paid him in the pedigree. What are your thoughts
on Marshawn Lloyd in Green Bay?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
This might be the most annoying landing spot of anyone.
I was very excited about, like you were mentioned, very
excited about Marshall Lloyd. Almost five nine, two hundred and
twenty pounds, eighty six percentile athlete, and he has four
or four wheels and he knows how to use him.
He has the combination of make you miss and power
that gets him out to the second level into open grass.
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The change of direction as well, and then he can
get to the top gear real quick. Once once he
is into it to open grass, he runs mean. We
asked him about that down in mobile, like why do
you run so mean, Marshawan, And he goes because I'm
from Delaware, And that's what we had to do.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
We had to show but what it's like to Delaware.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So we got to kick out of that very thick
lower body and it's a loaded spring where he just
snaps the arm tackles. He's a fighter. I love his
contact balance. The thing with him though now you had
here it's a guy in college that was never used
on passing downs and that was the thing with his evaluation,
It's like, was that just because the usage first at
South Carolina and then at the other USC when he
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went and played with Caleb Williams last season? Was it
just because of that usage? And then he got dig
up throughout college, had an acl tear nagging injuries here
and there. The upside with him as the pure runner
on the early downs is just about as high as
anybody in this class. I don't think that they're going
to use him whatsoever on the passing downs. But the
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situation that he got into on the early downs, what
are you going to be shoving aside Josh Jacobs or
aj Dillon. That's his mission if he choose to accept it.
But this is a tough, tough landing spot for Marshall Lloyd.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It is all right, Let's next. Let's go to running
back Jalen Wright, who drops into Miami. A brutal landing
spot for him. Fourth round selection going off the board
right now, pick twenty in non superflex rookie drafts. Obviously
massive problems here with Raheem Moster, Devon h Chan, Jeff Wilson.
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And he's a Miami kind of run.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
He's a Dolphin style runner.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Super fast, right, Yet he's got some of the solid
build abilities and he can run inside. I mean, he
fits what they like to do there.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But this is a up. It's a brutal spot to fall.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Into, and it's too bad because we were so close
to getting the ideal one. Dallas had done a lot
of work on Jalen Right during the pre draft process,
and Jalen Right at five ten and a half, two
ten with ninety eight percentile athleticism as a guy that
I compared to Tony Pollard in the middle. How about
that that would have been pert You would have had
your Tony p Yes, Dallas, strangely in that pick elected
to go with this long arm, Notre Dame linebacker who
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misses a bunch of tackles. And I wasn't terribly impressed
with this tape, which then Jalen Wright you fall into
Saturday when when Miami ends up taking Jalen Right, a
lot of people were surprised. I wasn't I have been
told in the pre draft process that Miami was all
over it. Yeah, they were the number one team that
wastes all such a good fit for what they like
to do. Mike McDaniel fetishizes running backs like this, and
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I think people when they look at the fitt devonan
Chane and then you re signed most of it, they're like,
why would you invest draft equity into a guy like
Jalen Wright. I'll tell you. I'll tell you why, because
I asked around. It's because you have Devon Chane. You
have to limit him to twelve around ten touches that's
per game. Yeah, you have to because if you do
more than that, now you are to break him down exactly.
The injuries are going to come. So you have to
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do that. Number One, Jalen Wright is being brought in
I believe, and you know the conversations that I've had
for the passing downs initially, that is how that they
can mitigate the times where aucchains on the field. He's
the early downs. You can have moster coming as well
a little bit on the early downs, but Jalen Right's
going to handle some the passing down stuff. Initially. Jalen
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Right very good receiver. He's also a super duper underrated
pass blocker coming out there. Jalen Right freak athlete, was
on the Feldman Freak Class multiple times. Thirty five carries
of ten plus yards on only one hundred and thirty
six attempts last season. That means that more than one
quarter of his attempts went for more than ten yards.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's nuts.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
He had the fastest track GPS time on a run
last season amongst running backs twenty two point two miles
per hour. You're talking speed for days with that kid,
and he proved it down in Indianapolis at the NFL
combined with a high four to threes. And he also can.
He's elusive as well. He breaks tackles. One hundred and
thirty two point two elusive rating last season was near
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the top of this class. So you have all that stuff.
What they have to work on him with it's the
vision and working in a conventional, more constricted area as
a runner on those early downs because Jalen Wright comes
from this Mickey Mouse spread offense where it played right
into his strengths. Because Jalen it's like a Tevin Coleman
as a runner where he wants to see that crease
down the field yea, and he wants to hit dingers,
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which was great, a great fit for that Tennessee offense.
But initially in practices that is what Miami is going
to be working on him with but he doesn't. They're
not going to need him for that, I think right away,
because Auchan's gonna be handling that you use him on
the field as a rookie for the passing downs. And
then of course he's injury insurance for aud Chane as well.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's Jalen Wright ends up in Miami.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I think he hits.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I think this just turns into now like a three
headed monster. But at some point they're gonna be games
or series of games where moster's hurt, a chans hurt,
and there's gonna be you know, he'll have some opportunity
and he used to go together like the twenty carry game,
and he's gonna go nuts.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
The Jets surprise many people by spending fourth and fifth
round picks at running back. They took Brailen Allen, Isaiah Davis.
They're currently going out the board is picks thirty three
and forty seven in non superflex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, the problems here are many.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
They're stylistically similar, so they'll bad each other stylistically, and
then of course they're behind Breeze Hall and maybe is
he about a Conda who with many people at this
time last year we're super excited about So you get
the feeling here. And by the way, and if you're
gonna have to wait a while for them to be
a starter Alan or Davis.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, who's the Jets quarterback?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If you're waiting two years down the road for one
of those guys to pop, I don't know what that
offense is going to look like. Posts Aaron Rodgers, and
we you know how big of a setback is that
going to be? So thoughts on Brailan Allen and Isaiah
Davis for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I was so confused by what the Jets did over
the week, and I was under the assumption that this
was a win now team and really none of the
decisions they were making were way to win now this one.
These two as well, we're confusing to me. I like
Isja Davis, he was my rbaight. I was bullish on him.
Braylan Allen was my RB nine. So they were there
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right there and like you were setting up there. They
are similar ish in the utility that you would use
him for in the NFL. With Isja Davis, I compared
him to Tyler l Jeer you have the power and
the contact bounds and he's super patient and then he's
like he has this upright running style. He's sort of unique.
It's like a slalomy thing. You know, he's waiting, waiting,
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and then that's how he changes the angle of the
guy coming in on him to force it from a
flush tackle attempt to the off angle thing. And he
was playing in the FCS. He was the belkow for
the colossus South Dakota State team that just just rolled
over everybody, and when defenders would have an off angle
on him sometimes it was like in the cartoon where
they run into the side of the mountain and they
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just peel off down on it. Like Ija Davis's contact
bounds with the power he runs with is so nice.
The receiving utility, I'm not really sure with him. I
know that Brailan Allen doesn't have any of that. Brailan
Allen is your classic Wisconsin hammerback who was miscast in
the system that they change into last year under Phil
Longoor is this spread thing and throwing a little bit more.
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I compared Brailan Alan six one two hundred and thirty
six pounds to Rashad Jennings. They're very similar, and like
you said, it's a terrible landing spot for both of them,
and then you wonder can both of them make the
roster with what that room looks like right now?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right, I've got a few more guys that dropped
into bad landing spots.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Will highlight them when we come back in just a moment.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Welcome back, segment number two Fantasy Football Weekly, talking about
some landing spots that have troubled us for a variety
of different players. It's been all running back so far,
and I got an all of it for you.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Will Shipley ends up in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
He was a fourth round selection by the Eagles. He's
going after the word right now, pick thirty seven in
non superflex rookie drafts. So a lot of people have
the same concerns I have because they signed Saquon Barkley,
and then of course you got Kenneth Gamil in there.
Philly always uses that rotation runners, and to top everything off,
anytime the balls inside the five yard line, the easy
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touchdowns are getting swept up by Jalen Hurts. So a
lot of things working against Will Shipley here.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah, So the situation he heads into, that's problem one.
Here's problem two for me. The issue is Shipley's evaluation
is he's never going to be his NFL team's best
early down runner. He wasn't that at Clemson. That was
film offa. So for Will Shipley to have NFL utility,
it has to be on the passing downs, and then
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he has to offer it on special teams as well.
He can return, He categorically cannot pass block, which means
that the utility on those passing downs it has to
come as a receiver. Well, here's the issue there. In college,
he never brought one yard flat per route run and
he dropped five balls the last two seasons on the
dump offs around lineup scrimmage for it. Yeah, people went
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nuts about him because he was the five star recruit
and he's five ten two oh six and he tested
as a ninety seven percentile athlete. I did not see
it with Will Shipley. I I don't know how long
he hangs on that roster of Philly.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right, that's that's that's some damning stuff right there.
Next we switch over to the wide receiver position. Donnie
Mitchell ends up in Indianapolis second round pick, currently going
off the board pick fourteen and non superflex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But the problem is the competition, right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So you know, Michael Pitman's great Josh Downs looks promising.
Alec Pierce hasn't panned out as hoped, unfortunately, but he's
still in the mix a little bit here. There are
some things to like about Mitchell. Not a big bodied guy,
but you like the acceleration, his fluidness, he plays with.
He plays with some swagger and some nasty to him
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that I like. Uh, but this is a it's a
tricky landing spot with a young quarterback who's effectively on
a reboot of his rookie season. What are your thoughts
on a Donnie Mitchell in this landing spot with Indianapolis?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
So I spent all the spring arguing with people about
a Donna Mitchell because they were you know, he's a first,
He's got the ceiling of a superstar in there. You
just have to assume a little bit of risk if
you take him. My take on him was the exact
opposite that inverted. I think he is a lower ceiling
guy who has a high floor. I thought he was
sitting dead red on the evaluation as your prototypical pop
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the top NFL wide receiver two, where the opposing defense
has to keep a safety high on that side of
the field, which has the effect of helping the spacing
of the other players on the field. The guys who
could tell you about this are Xavier Worthy and Jatavian Sanders,
who benefited from that extra spacing of having a Donna
Mitchell on the field. But he doesn't. A Donna Mitchell
does not win in the intermediate area. He doesn't win
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in the short area. The reason for that is he
can't change directions without telegraphing. Yet he's not a good
rout runner. But he also just doesn't have agility period.
What he is is a size speed super free. He
has the four wheel four to three four I'm sorry
wheels ninety eight percentile broad jump. But I mentioned before
or a little bit slower of that ten yard split,
which was equivalent to Jalen Kulkers, Yeah, who ran a
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four or five to seven. It was also a co
equivalent to Jalen polk Rana four or five two. He
needs some grass in front of him to get to
top speed. But what he offers for Indianapolis it is
that popped the top boundary guy on the one side,
I'm sorry, mister Alec Pierce. This is the end of
the stuff for your Donna Mitchell has been brought in
to take your job, but with a DONNAE. Mitchell. As
far as the NFL fantasy utility, which is what we're
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here to talk about, it's this, he either hits dingers
or he strikes out right. It was that case the
entire time in Texas at Donna Mitchell last season on
awesome passing offense, he finished with thirty five or fewer
receiving yards in half of Texas's game seven to fourteen
couch thirty five or less. Thirty five or less.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
By the way, this guy's got guillotine disaster written all
over him.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yes, I mean, you have to choose right, right, And
then he went so, then how did he get all
the stats that he got, Well, he went over one
hundred and forty yards twice and he cracked one hundred
yards in a third. In those three games, he averaged
sixteen point six yards per catch. When he is not
hitting balls out of the yard, he's striking out and
he's a non factor outside of force in the defense.
To keep that safety high on his side of the field.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
All right, another receiver in a tricky landing spot. Jacob
Cowing ends up going in the fourth round to San
Francisco picked forty three is where he's going in non
super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So there's not a lot of people that like him here.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He's small, He's five eight, one hundred and seventy pounds.
He's a track star guy. He plays in the slot primarily,
and unless Deebo Samuel leaves, I don't see a pathway
for Cowing getting a lot of playing time here.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
In an ideal.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Scenario, he can be tanked del in a really good offense.
But I think a lot of things have to drop
into place here for him to get onto the field.
What are your thoughts on Jacob Cowing San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You said it, there's been all the trade rumors with
the top two San Francisco forty nine er receivers. I
think Jacob Cowing is going to need chaos there with
both of them probably getting pushed out to have at
least early on utility when that probably is not going
to happen. He's an interesting evel in that you were
mentioning the size five to eight one sixty eight, which
is the thing that reminds you of Tank Dell and
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he has four three eight wheels. Early on in his
career at Utup, Jacob Cowing destroyed the Conference USA. He
was like a killer down there and he won down
the field. But then it was interesting the last couple
years he goes to Arizona and he's playing next to
a guy that charge one year from right now, we're
gonna be sitting here talking about a whole heck of
a lot TETAROA McMillan, who is going to be a
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top tenser.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
McMillan is a.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Absolute monster a right people watch Arizona this coming season.
This kid is amazing, but he's going to be a
top ten, top fifteen at worst pick on next season.
But Cowing was playing next to him. McMillan got everything
down the field. They turned Cowing into a close to
the line of scrimmage type guy. It was that that
was all the stuff. It was the quicker timing concepts.
So Cowing's a doots plummet to eight point four and
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six point seven the last two years. Now he still
got pounded with a ton of targets. But again McMillan's
getting all the downfiel, so Cowen getting all the short stuff.
I was hoping when when Cowing went to the Senior
Ball that he was going to harken back to his
usage at start winning down the field more. I didn't
see it as much with him. He was getting pushed
around a little bit. It wasn't the same thing that
I had seen with Tank Dell the year before, when
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Tank Dell was destroying everyone and no one. Everyone started
wanting to tie their shoes in the one on one.
The defensive backs when they get the up front of
the line, they're like, oh, no, coach, I gotta go
and get some water. Now let him go. It wasn't
the same thing with Colling. I saw one rep where
cam Hart, the kid from a Notre Dame who's like
six foot two and a half and two hundred ten pounds,
he was staying with Jacob Cowing in the intermediate range,
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just staying in his hip pocket. So and then Jacob
Cowen got injured on the last day at the Senior Bowl.
He has ability and he can separate. His separation rates
have been very good throughout his career. But you're you're
wondering about the body type and then going to the
next level. But it is a good in terms of
San Francisco. If if stuff clears out ahead of him,
that's what he's going to need to have that utility
early on.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We've got just another minute here. I want to I
want to ask you about this, and we limited our
focus here to just from rounds two through four, basically because.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
These are good players, promising players.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
But I want to hit you with the one first rounder,
Rock Bowers, the oddball landing spot. I don't think an
anybody saw the Raiders coming as your as the landing
spot for brock Bowers. I would have assumed the Raiders
are traded out of the spot or they'd have done
something else because they put that high second round pick
and the first tight end taken in last year's draft
in Michael Mayer. So you know it's an oddball spot.
(23:26):
What do you think about brock Bauers And do you
feel like this.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Bowers is awesome?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Don't get me wrong, but do you think this slows
the progression a little bit or changes your outlook fantasy
outlook on brock Bowers having fallen to Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Not at all maybe a little bit for Mayor, although
they can play on the.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Field like Daggers may right, but they can play.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
On the field at the same time to see the
way that that shakes out. But no, not for Bowers.
I'll tell you why. Brock Bauers walked into Georgia when
he did their receiving court, they had George Pickens, they
had Donnie Mitchell, they had lad Conky, Kiris Jackson, and
Marcus Rossomi Jack Saint. They had all these NFL guys.
Then in the tight end room, they had Darna Washington,
NFL tight end. Yeah, their starting running back was James Cook,
(24:09):
an awesome man, pass right guy on So he was
there for three seasons as a true freshman. He leads
the team in receiving. Was there clear wide receiver, which
is pretty crazy wide receiver one. I'm putting that in
bunny quotes. And then it was a first team All American.
He did it again the next two seasons. What's so
crazy about that. It's not just that he shoved aside
all these different NFL guys to assent immediately to become
(24:30):
the number one guy for that. It's it's coming right
out for these teams that were dominant. Georgia won the
national title when he was a true freshman, but he
was clearly their best offensive weapon. They did it again
when he was a sophomore, and they may have done
it again last year if brock Bauers hadn't gotten nicked up.
People don't talk enough about that. The middle of the season,
he gets injured, anyone else in his position shuts it down.
(24:52):
He wanted to come back as fast as he could
to try to give Georgia a shot for the three beat.
He did tight rope surgery, this emergency tight rope surgery
back for the end of the season. He was not
one hundred percent when he came back. They end up
Georgia ends up losing a close decision to Alabama in
the SEC title game. They didn't get that shot. Despite that,
Guess what, brock Bauers led the team in receiving again,
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even though he would played ten games and he was
compromised most of the time. Not only that he was
amazing on the running concepts, They would do different stuff
with him, bring him into the backfield. During his career,
nineteen carries over three seasons. Those went for one hundred
and ninety three yards. Five touchdowns. That's over ten yards
per carry. Kirby Smart, who is not a man known
for hyperbole, one of the best coaches we haven't college football,
(25:32):
probably the best right now, said that if Georgia had
shifted brock Bauers two running back when he was on campus,
he would have been the best running back that they
had to.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Brock Bowers his size as a running back exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's just incredible, his vision, the agility, of course, the
speed he can take it to the house there and
he's the tackle break and berserker guy, you know, even
better than Senate of course, and even better than Laportovs.
So with him, people think about because you have to
call him and just with the position designation, so in
their head they start to evolte Kyle Pitts. It's different
with Kyle Pitts. He was the big guy that you
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send down and the team and that was the utility.
So that's dependent on other players on the field. Brock
Bauers is dependent on nobody else. He is idiot proof.
I heard people tossing on Oh, their offensive coordinators are dope.
It doesn't matter. He's going to make that guy and
he's gonna make Gardner Minshew look like a better quarterback
than he has by far, because all you have to
do is just shuttle the ball off to Tobauer short.
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He will take care of the rest, just like he
did throughout his career, from the day he stepped foot
onto those Colossus Georgia teams for in the middle of
their dynasty.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's all right, So you made me feel better about that.
Right now, he's going off the board in dynasty drafts
at pick eight. I'm thinking to myself, Okay, wait, I
mean is I don't think it's I don't think it's
unfair to say if I had to put one player
in this draft to go to the Hall of Fame,
I would I would pin my hopes on brock Bowers.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right, So okay, I have to start a tie down.
We always know every year there's about six good ones,
and sometimes there's even less than six good ones.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't understand why brock Bowers is going pick eight
right now in fantasy drafts. And it's still early, but
I think it'll change. But what are we missing here?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You get an immediate four or five step head start
on your opponent every single game. Now you have Brock
Bowers in your tight end slot against whoever that guy has.
I mean that that's what it's going to become. It
might be a little bit into the season when when
the usage starts to get I mean when they find
out really like okay, when Minshoo's like every single you know,
between him and Adams. But that's where all the usage
is going with that and with Bowers, it's going to
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be the short intermedia and then again you can shift
them into the backfield, do cool things with him around
the goal line, speaking to the fantasy thing. He can
run the ball in, he can He's absolutely comfortable doing that.
We saw that at Georgia in very high leverage spots.
The Raiders are going to see this immediately. The Raiders
juice their passing game way more with one slot later
than their division rival did. Take in a cornerback one
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spot higher than they did.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, wow, well, all right, you maybe feel a lot
better about Brock Powers.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I love the kid.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Didn't love the landing spot as much, but you know,
we don't have a great quarterback. We got Gardner Minshew's okay,
and then the Michael mayerth thing. But you've you've You've
got me totally energized.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Now now I'm in Gardner Minshew's gonna look better than
competent with rock powers.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It could be, it could be he might turn into
a sneaky fantasy starter. I think he could. He could,
I think he could. All right, thank you, my man,
great job, Thank you. I can follow Thor at thor
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video games, all kinds of stuff. Look in the show
notes for the link to our discord channel as well.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Talk to you next week, everybody, Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
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