April 10, 2024 • 52 mins
Draft Nasty! Corey Chavous joins PA to open the show with NFL Draft opinions, then Florio ends the first hour with an extended segment featuring more Vikings/NFL wide talkers!
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Nine to noon, nine to newus A wait set up, Bob.
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Good stuff, that indeed is thegoal providing good stuff. Nine to noon
at f M one hundred point threek f A, N Good morning,
It's Paul Allen on what will developinto a be beautiful Wednesday. Thank you
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for listening to f M one hundredpoint five k f A and being quite
excited for this for a couple ofdays. Corey Chavis a former Minnesota Viking
safety from two thousand and two totwo thousand and five, and during his
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time here Corey at fourteen interceptions anda couple of picks sixes from the arms
of Detroit Lyons quarterbacks and Corey chavsand draft and Nastymagazine dot com that is
and has been, and I'm surewe'll be the preferred draft analytical stop for
nine to noon and yours truly andCorey joins us. Now, Hey there,
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CC, welcome to nine to noonand how are things. I'm good,
pay man, how are you doing? Excellent? Excellent hearing from you
and excellent going to Draft Nasty Magazinedot com and you know, learning about
the law firm that is South DakotaState and a couple of people and getting
to that throwback section where I meanwe're old school best school. Distance is
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never disdained. We're old school,best school. And like starting with Bryce
Callahan and just going down through it, Man, that just brought that.
That was like down memory lane wego that. That was really cool man.
Yeah, well, Bryce Callahan,that was probably like about what ten
drafts back now fall we've been We'vebeen going at it for some years now.
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Man, It's it's great to beon again, just thinking about some
of those times talking about Matt Khaliland players like that. Yeah, it's
now the NFL Draft starts in fifteendays in the Motor City. So how
about this. Corey went to twelveand oh during his career against the Detroit
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Lions. Twelve and oh with acouple of pick sixes. Now, now
the Lions are a super Bowl caliberteam. What what impresses you with the
way Holmes etc. Have built theseDetroit Lions. Well, I'm really good.
I'm pretty good friends with Brad.I mean, we spent a lot
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of time together because he was withthe Rams when I was there, and
I've gotten to know him over theyears. And the one thing about him
is that he's very meticulous in termsof just like I've spent time with him
even during All Star Games, lookingat some guys and just knowing that he
and how how much he cares aboutabout it and how much time he puts
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into it and really just some ofthe I played against Dad Campbell when he
was in the NFL and kind ofknow what he brings to the table in
terms of I think it's football.IQ is probably the most underrated part of
what he brings to the table fromthat perspective, And I think their quarterback,
Jared Golf It's kind of was justas underappreciated to a large degree is
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Kirk Cuttins was for a number ofyears. So I feel like when you
have those three pieces together, youhave a chance. I am and and
Holmes and his staff definitely are praiseworthy. I mean with with Jamiir Gibbs and
Sam Laporta and just some things thatthey that that they've done, certainly Aiden
Hutchinson with the draft over the lastX amount of years. But you know
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when when when the Vikings and Lionstraded a couple of years ago and and
TJ. Hawkinson came here, allright, TJ's quite good. Good.
Of course, you know that he'sfast, the routes are good, the
depth of the routes are good,and and TJ's a fine tight end.
But you know, the Lions,what what I respected about them is is
they were like, Okay, weknow we're giving you a good player,
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and we know we are depleting ourtight end spot by doing this, but
we also know you're gonna have topay TJ if you want him. And
we also know the twenty twenty threedraft might be one of the deeper tight
end drafts in the history of theNFL. And we also like this Iowa
kid, Sam lad and we're goingto beg Borrow and Steele to do whatever
we need to do to get tohis spot, and they did. I
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just have a high level of respectfor people who forward think like that.
Yeah. I think you bring upa great point, Paul, with the
kind of comparing it to how youprojected the porter, because he really played
a lot at the receiver, aposition in Iowa was outside sometimes that the
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X receive even played a little whilequarterback. So I think you talk about
that forward jaking, they had alreadyseen them deployed they've seen him in certain
spots where a lot of side endsdon't line up as much as he was
asked to do at Iowa because they'repast the game, let's face it.
Particularly his final year there was prettyanemic, So that was something I think
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the point that you bring up abouthow they kind of saw what he could
be within their offense to a largedegree, was a big reason why he
had so much success and was probablytheir most consistent or after a monro Say
Brown third down thrip, Corey Chaviswith Draft Nasty magazine dot com and what
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do you think of this? CoachEve Ravens general manager Eric DaCosta recently said,
because of NCAA rules, off theCOVID year and NIL to a certain
extent, more players are staying incollege and thus this year's draft is basically
void of draftable players. When youget to parts of Saturday and like,
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you know, deep in it,but like rounds four through seven, what
do you think of that? Hesaid that the guys are undraftable. Why
because they're too old. I knowthat's a big concern with NFL team.
Yes, is the age, it'sto a large degree, but yeah,
I don't necessarily think that that's almostlike you're not vote Knicks before being twenty
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four years old, right, Paul, Well, if you think about it,
twenty four years old coming out fora quarter with the age, we
just saw Kurt get a four yeardeal at thirty six. You saw how
much Aaron Rodgers got a thirty nine, So I think the age has to
be extended for that position. Now, if you're talking about running backs,
for example, does it really matterif they're twenty four or twenty five because
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they're probably gonna You're probably gonna gofor your next running back when they're twenty
eight or twenty nine. That's almostlike being thirty five back in the day.
So I do think because of maybethe age being over analyzed a bit,
you're only gonna have the guy forfour years, So who cares to
be twenty one or twenty four?And if he's twenty four, you're only
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concerned about that rookie contract right rightright to start. I mean, but
the assumption is, you know,if you're taking to McCarthy or Appendix or
somebody that you're gonna hit on,that you're gonna hit and you would want
them there for a decade or adecade plus, and you know, I'm
glad you went down that road becausethe ages. Yeah, I wanted to
ask you about McCarthy. I mean, he turned twenty one years of age
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three months ago, and Michael PennixJunior. I mean this, I like
how you laid it out, andyou're right, but it just kind of
trips me out a little bit thatwhen he gets a second contract, he's
going to be twenty nine years old. I mean that's just weird. Yeah.
No, I mean when you putit like that, it sounds pretty
because if he's not, let's sayfor us, if you really like where
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he's headed in his career, it'salmost like, well, we just talked
about Paul with Jared Goff. Ifyou're Delians now and he's twenty nine,
is he going really into that prime, you know, twenty nine through thirty
three? Or do the athletic limitationsbegin to show up right when you next
season it's a little bit more,maybe even two years from now. That's
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what they've got to kind of ponderthere. So, and when you talk
about Pinnick, your point about Pinnickwhen you've got to ACLS and you've got
a shoulder injury, that makes hissituation more pronounced. I think when you
do look at the age, becausehe's probably even a little older than his
age suggest based on the injury history. So I think everything's within context to
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a degree. Fortunately, but DetroitGolf has been a relatively durable quarterback,
so it makes the decision a littlebit easier. But when you have those
injuries now the age becomes even moreof a factor. What Corey, what
job? I haven't asked you this. What do you think about the transfer
portal and how it's impacting college football? Man? You know what, Paul,
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I really like it, and Ithink that the thing that it's done.
I was just watching today. Iwas looking at Jordan Waters, who's
been around a couple of places,just ended up going to NC State with
their quarterback that they got Grace andMcCall. He was at Coastal Carolina and
probably one of the top quarterbacks inthe country the last three or four years.
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And what it does is that itallows some of these players who would
normally go under the radar. Let'stake a look at this year's draft.
Jared Verse, played at Albany,was one of the better SBS defensive bands
in the country there, largely overlooked. Get a chance to watch him in
his first career game against Jade Daniels. I got a chance to watch him,
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and you could see that obviously heshould have been playing, you know,
at the FBS level or at theAnd I think it gives an opportunity
for guys like a Jared Verse togo from probably going undrafted to potentially being
a top ten or fifteen pick.Wow. That's why I like the transfer
portal. You know, examples likethat, and there's so many of those
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throughout college football. And it alsogives a guy like Jaden Daniels, for
example, he was about to flameout Arizona State two years ago, final
game of the year the Las VegasBowl doesn't play real well. You wonder
where he was going to go.That staff kind of discombobulated out there Arizona
State. He finds a new homein LSU, and now he turns his
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whole career into what many people expectedhe would do coming out of high school.
So I do think that the transferportal has reinvigorated a lot of the
players once they get to their newstop. We are quarterback crazy up here
in the cornfields. Cory after gettingthat first from Houston. So as you
know, of course, the Vikingshave eleven and twenty three heading into the
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first round fifteen days from today.Now, if the Minnesota Vikings trade up
for North Carolina quarterback Drake May,how do you think that'll work with what
they already have and how Kevin O'Connellruns offense. I think it's I think
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the points you make about Kevin O'Connelland how he runs the offense. I
think he's a really just a fantasticoffensive play caller. And I know there
have been some probably had some questionson May. He's maybe later, you
know, in some of the situations, but they have to deal with with
what he had to deal with therethis year and to still have that prolific
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offense. It's everything you need toknow about what he's capable of. But
I feel like Drake May, becauseof how you attack defenses, particularly vertically
and in the middle of the field, some of the throws that you're asking
your quarterbacks to make, I thinkMay he has to be more consistent.
I think on a down to downbasis, you'll just see it'll kind of
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go all over the place from timeto time. So the consistency part,
I think is something that would helpwith the repetitions within the offense and the
scheme though however, kind of matcheshis skill set to a degree. I
think he would end up being apretty good fit. And I think his
arm strength would translate outdoors, whichI think is an important consideration because you've
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got to play a couple of gamesin Chicago and Green Bay and it may
be for the playoffs, right,So in that case, I will probably
say the guy who's the better callwhether selections would be either Pinnicks McCarthy,
based on how I'm seeing them handlethose situations in the fast and with JJ
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in JJ McCarthy, you know,giving he turned twenty one years of age
three months ago, and I'm notdraft nasty all twenty two guy, and
I'm not going to you know,the Senior Bowl and the East West and
stuff like that. You know,so therefore you know a thousand times more
about it than me. But whathe did at ages nineteen, about that
ages nineteen and twenty for this kid, are you kidding me? I mean,
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the maturation is obvious. Everybody cansee it. And when they start
dinging him for being like a gamemanager and you know he and they're going
to run the ball and play defensestuff like that. Well, I mean,
there's also something to be said forbeing a quarterback of a national champion
who doesn't mess things up. Andwhen you got those big third downs,
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he seemed to hit on every singleone of them. And Kevin O'Connell said
on the radio show a couple ofweeks ago, he just made it sound
like McCarthy of the Ballyhood four,the first four everybody talks about is the
one who operates from under center viathe play action better than anybody. And
you know, all those things justlike really resonate with me with what they
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do up here, you know whatI mean. Yeah, and then on
top of it, the athleticism.I think that's something with him that is
vastly underrated. I mean, evenif you were to look at like you
look at most of the top cornersin the draft, and I know,
a big test and drill would bethe three phone drill in terms of how
they changed direction. He went upto the combine had a six' eight
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two. That's elite athleticism. That'slike a top notch corner coming out of
school. It's probably better than mostof the corners. And he also had
a four to two short shuttle,so that just kind of gives you an
idea of his athleticism. And thenthe big thing for me was on third
down, no interceptions, didn't makea lot of mistakes in that area,
which is kind of the opposite ofsome of the other quarterbacks that you have,
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particularly we were just talking about mayAs some of the fourth quarter struggles
at times this year. But forMcCarthy, I think the thing that you
had to like about him, beyondjust being able to make some of the
more difficult plays outside the pocket,is he really relishes the moments in terms
of he's a big game player obviously, but I think he relishes the competitive
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moments within a game, so heunderstands what you're talking about. When they
need him to make a play,I think those are the times where his
competitive juices get growing. He's avery competitive player. That's what I noticed
when I watched him. J JadenDaniels, the LSU quarterback. What do
you dig and what would be someof your NFL related concerns. Well,
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the sacks were really a concern ayear ago. He was too quick to
take off really just not only intwenty twenty, want to reference that a
little bit earlier, but even lastyear they were among the You would never
think the quarterback was that much mobility. I know people always say, well,
it was the offensive line with TerrillBull every that's the that's the excuse.
I don't buy that. I thinkhalf of the quarterback sacks are probably
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on the offensive line and the otherhalf or on you. And they gave
up forty five a year ago.That completely flipped around. The two quarterbacks
who get rid of the ball anddon't get sacked in this draft are probably
finnicked. And also next they wereamong the least sacked quarterbacks in college football.
I think that's something you have tolook at that the translates. It
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certainly is translated from me over theyears watching that when the quarterbacks get to
the NFL. But he improved inthat area. He improved in terms of
the pocket presence ball, and Ithink that that's something that you had to
see him take the next step ontrusting it in the pocket one more tick,
one more second. But I thinkhe attacks what he does scramble.
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The difference between him earlier in hiscareer and now when he scrambles, he
attacks vertically as opposed to horizontally.That puts way more pressure on you defensively.
When you attack in the middle asa scrambler, it almost splits your
defense and half. So that's somethingthat I think is going to be something
that will translate a little bit.Concerned about the frame though, I went
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to go say, a player thisyear against Missouri got hurt in that game
the fourth quarter, led a fourthquarter comeback victory in that game, but
had to come back in the game, and so the durability concerns with him.
He hasn't missed a lot of time, but there's still something that teams
are probably going to consider hardcore footballwithout former Viking safety Corey Chavis. Draft
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Nasty Magazine dot com is the website, and this is non obvious draft analysis
with one of the very best.And we're greatly appreciative that Corey's on the
radio show. Just a few herewith Pennix Junior and bow Knicks and the
Minnesota Vikings. All Right, soPennick Junior, Knicks, Minnesota Vikings.
Do either of them fit up here? Maybe every bit as well as the
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first three we've mentioned Daniels, McCarthyand May. Yeah, well, I
think Pendix is probably more of us. And again we went over and nauseum.
The injury concerns earlier. But Ido think from a vertical passing game
and how when you do decide attackvertically, I guess it's a good point
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off of your play action run gameif you get the run game established the
way you want to get it establishednormally. I think he can do a
lot hand those. Again, wetalked about the weather, ten and a
half inch hands. I know peoplesay hand size doesn't matter. Well,
he could control the ball and Ithink he's the best deep ball passer in
this class, So yes, Ido think it matters, But the injuries
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are concern both knicks. I'd liketo see him getting more of a quick
timing passing game. I think that'swhere he excels. I think he's probably
getting a little bit underrated. Hemiss some deep shots, but I thought
in twenty twenty two he threw thedeep ball a little bit better than he
did at times this year. Butlook, seventy seven percent completion percentage.
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I think that says it all abouthow much he improved during school. That's
fantastic And lastly with some quarterback relatedtakes from Corey Chavis and hopefully we get
the opportunity within the next couple ofweeks to do this again if you have
time, so we can hit onthe law firm at the South Dakota State
University and does some of the nonquarterback non quarterback players coming into the draft.
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But lastly on the quarterbacks. WhatI'm asking you about South Carolina quarterback
Spencer Rattler, who I mean,you know, just with all due respect,
you know, until I went tothe NFL combine, I couldn't pick
him out of a two person lineupstanding next to Pat Williams. I always
love that one. But now I'mhearing about all this washbuckling nature and when
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it's good, it's unbelievably good.But when he kills games, it's like
kill he kills games in a hurry. And so I've just been waiting to
ask you about Spencer Ratler. Whatwhat's your take on on that quarterback?
I think that what you said prettymuch is to take I think that's probably
the best way to describe him interms of like how his career kind of
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went along. And then Caleb Williamscame to Oklahoma, and that's that kind
of I think robbed him a littlebit of some of his confidence. It
took him a while to kind ofget it back, and I think he
did at South Carolina later in theseason a year ago, that big game
against Tennessee that was the upset.Six staydown passes in that game, I
believe. But you've had some momentswhere he's shown everything you want a seat
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in terms of being able to attackall levels of the field. I thought
he played out standing in the firstquarter the Senior Bowl, got the MVP
of the game. But I thinkfor him, it's just gonna come down
to He's not going to be likesome of these other guys we talked about
in terms of mobility and being ableto I think he does enough within the
pocket. It's probably a better athletethan the testing numbers would indicate. And
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I just think it's gonna be aboutmaintaining the same level of confidence he kind
of regained his final year at SouthCarolina, maintaining net going into the league
because his arm talent is real andI think he can do everything that you
want to see a quarterback that youwere drafted and potentially the third or fourth
round. Maybe he goes second round. I wouldn't be surprised and gets an
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opportunity early, my man, Thankyou very much for helping us. Greatly
appreciate it, and I will doa better job of staying in touch and
I look forward to chatting with youon or off the radio. Okay,
no, dub man, I reallyappreciate you having me home. Man.
I'm let everything's going well. Yep. See a letter Corey Chavis, Draft
Nasty and Draft Nasty magazine dot com. They have an online edition of the
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Draft Nasty the draft periodical. Therealso is a book that eventually comes out,
but I subscribe to it every singleyear. And when I'm hosting the
draft party with beloved Nachito, theanalyst and the co host of the writing
Football Fiece, I have Cory's analysisin front of me for some deep diving
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on some takes from what these rookieshave not only done in their collegiate career,
but all the way back to theirhigh school careers and like the players
with whom they played, and it'snon obvious draft analysis and he's absolutely fantastic.
Thank you very much, Corey Nordo, who's equally fantastic produces nine to
Noon and I'm Paul Allen the stateof the how the Minnesota Timberwolves, with
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three games to go, will bethe bill of fare around the corner nine
to noon and truncated fashion. Mindyou walking up to Pro Football Talk dot
COM's Mike Florio at about nine thirtynine, and all of that takes place
right here in the Love Covenant atFM one hundred point three KFA n or
nine to new Chance got it rightside the left hand, trying to turn
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the corn on. You'll get intoit. He runs it up off class.
He got it for two more fiftyone for Anthony Edward's a new career
high, the first time in hiscareer's gone for fifty plus. Alan Horton
calling the victory over the Washington Wizardslast night at Target Center and down the
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stretch we come with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Team Howell, Welcome back to nine
to noon. The Timberwolves are backin action this evening and they take on
the world champions they vaunted Denver Nuggets. That one for Sports Knobs is bally
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Hood. For fans of the howbally Hood and this one is going to
take off at like nine o'clock tonight, and it's a very very compelling game.
And it's on the fan tonight too, so tune into that live.
It's on KFA. And I listenedto the to the iHeart Radio app last
night with Alan Horton driving home,driving home from Lakeville, and something was
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revelatory with the call, and I'vemanaged to I thought about it a few
times. It's not with de LettedBoudair like rehearsing that fifteen times a Thursday
night before Friday football feast. Butlike I said it few times, it's
the pronunciation of of of your guy'sname with the Wizards, or we're like
a visa a visa because we've lookedat it a million times. Yeah,
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I mean I'm not, you know, with the with the NBA League pass,
I'm not. I'm not finding theWizards unless they're playing the Nuggets are
okay, ce super deep in theseason, and it like impacts what the
hell does looking for phonetic spelling chartsof names. I've already forgotten the old
people have forgotten. I think it'sa VJ or it's it's something jay.
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It's not a visa. It's likea vidaja or something. But and I
and the Kissberg cat. I hadforgotten Allen was just just dropping nugget after
nugget after nugget after nugget last nightduring that Wolve's comeback when I was listening
on my twenty three minute drive home. And and the Kisbert cat for Laura
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kiss right, you know, hewere familiar with the name, but not
necessarily familiar with the game. Andmy man had a big box score last
night for a bad team. ButI had forgotten that he played for some
really, really good Gonzaga teams,including one that went to the I think
of the NCAA Championship game and lost. So you know, even though it's
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poorest team, and you know,they got players who who few have heard
of the they're not that far removedfrom high end status for high end squads
in Division one basketball. Yeah,and so therefore you know that that's why
yesterday with Chris Finch, you know, I pressed him a little bit and
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asked him, you know, whenwhen you're dealing with these non playoff teams,
you know, it's low hanging fruithere, man, and easier said
than done, because human nature getsto win two occasionally, but I mean,
you just want to bury these teamsand just make them realize that when
they leave their facilities on Monday,they ain't coming back for months, right,
And that's Turks and Caicos, andthat's Las Vegas, and that's Florida,
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and that that's a that's Punta conOn everything they want to do to
spend the money they make during thecourse of the season. But then they
played the game and it, Imean, we were trailing the Wizards for
more than half the game, andit was bugging me for a minute when
I went to texting you last night. But then Anthony Edwards finished with fifty
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one, a career high. Covenantleft through that by the way, he
just took over. Yeah, Imean fifty one fifty one, but it's
a career high for one of thebetter players in the NBA, and he's
quite likable. But I just won. I was wondering if anybody was bugged
that they were trailing the awful Wizardsfor more than half the game. It
bugged me for a second, butit's it's in a lot of sports.
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We've seen this movie. Thus knowingthe ending before knowing the ending previously,
where you know, good teams willfor whatever the reason, they'll get these
meat grinders with these bad teams.But when they put the pedal to the
metal, that's it. It's overin like six minutes. Well it's interesting
too because earlier in the year andFinch you had asked him about it,
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like, hey, you know what'sup with all these blowouts? Right like
in December and January, XYZ teamthey're hanging it up midway through the third
quarter, down by twenty five,live to fight on another day. But
you look at a team like theWizards. Yeah, they're they're awful,
and they're not going to the playoffsand all they have are sunny beaches and
sunny days ahead of them in thissummer. Yeah, But the Corey Kispers
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of the world are playing for contractslike the Zach Edy bit yesterday, and
we can we can make jokes aboutit, like Zach Edy's going to be
on the back end of a benchand he's going to be on an LFL
waiver wire for blocks at some pointin his career. That's a very good
point in college, all these guysare assassins. The worst guy on an
NBA roster just like the worst NFLplayer that we can all joke about.
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He set records at his high school. He was a studding college and it's
the same with all of these guys, Corey Kisper and in the NBA,
by the way, whether it's JaydenDaniels getting like a one hundred and twenty
five million dollar rookie extension, theseguys are playing for cash. And so
you know, it seems like overthe last month and a half or so,
a lot of these NBA games haveactually those massive deficits in those blowouts
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have kind of shrunk a little bit, and so an opportunity for some of
those guys still learning how to pronouncea Vita jet or how to shay it.
But he's putting up twenty five andten and Kispert's hitting five triples.
These guys are taking advantage of themoments. It would have bugged me had
it been a meat grinder late.I mean, like, you're trailing one
of the worst teams in the NBAand their best player, Kyle Kuzma's not
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playing. They traded their best bigDaniel Galford to Dallas, so they're void
of size inside and Rudy eventually madethem pay for that. But it would
have bugged me he had it beena meat grinder late. But the Wolves
pushed that button, that metaphorical button, and blew right on by I mean
good cockshore teams do things like that. So Denver was in a battle at
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Utah last night midway through the fourthquarter, but held them to fifteen points
in said stanza and won by sixteen. So on KFA in this evening,
Wolves at Denver and the winner ownsthe top seed in the Western Conference with
two games to play. It's amassive, massive spot tonight. Jamal Murray
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has returned for the Champions, andhe went for an effortless twenty eight on
fifty five percent shooting last night injust twenty seven minutes. And the Timberwolves
released to stabment yesterday, indicating KarlAnthony Towns is taking part in full contact
practices, which means his return ison the horizon. By Florio from p
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FT, yah, you know weis neckt p FT nine Time for two
more e t Hey, Mike,what's going on? My mem How are
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you today? Paul Allen? Well, mister Mike Florio, I'm doing quite
well. Hopefully things are well outWest Virginia. It's an exciting time of
the year if you follow the NationalFootball League closely, as many of us
do, and that would include frequentlyhittingprofootball talk dot com to see what's new
with these rookies, what's new withBill Belichick, what's new with these veterans,
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and stuff like that, and alsofor me to learn of some things.
Rick Spielman said recently via CBS Sportspodcast and a thirty third Team podcast
with Charles Davis. I saw thatat Pro Football Talk dot Com. Now
the Spielman piece. What do youthink compelled Rick to postulate Minnesota will trade
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up and overpay for Michigan quarterback JJMcCarthy and good morning. I think he's
just reading the tee lees and goodmorning to you as well as we all
do. We saw the week inwhich Kirk Cousins absconded from Minnesota for the
one undred million fully guaranteed in Atlanta. That was Monday Friday of that same
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week was when the Vikings picked upthe twenty third or overall selection in the
twenty twenty four draft. They didn'tdo it to use that pick. You
don't pick up that selection weeks inadvance to use it, you pick it
up to trade it, and we'vebeen expecting ever since. Then the next
shoe to drop will be picks eleventwenty three, maybe the twenty twenty five
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first round, or maybe more maybesomething else. Who knows to get in
position to get one of the topquarterbacks. Spielman of the mind that the
Vikings have some degree of attraction toJJ McCarthy, and I think he's right.
If they want him, they're goingto have to overpay to go get
him. But they really don't havea choice now. The caveat to that
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is, and I think I sawan item to this effect in the Star
Tribune over the weekend. You couldsit tight at number eleven and just see
what happens. Does Michael Pennox andyour fall a number eleven? Does Drake
may falled a number of eleven.I think it's a risky proposition because you
got the Bears at number nine andthey just have a handful of picks this
year. They could trade out withthe Broncos or the Raiders at that point,
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who would jump up and get theguy who's creeping toward the Vikings at
eleven or ten? The Jets whowould like to replenish, at a minimum,
the second round pick they gave upthis year for the Aaron Rodgers trade.
They could drop down with the Raidersor the Broncos and the Vikings would
get screwed that way. So sittingtight might not be an option. But
the other option would be to justsay, you know what, we're gonna
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go with sam Donold this year.We don't like any of these demands that
the Patriots or the Cardinals or theChargers or whoever might be making, so
we're not gonna move up at all. We're just gonna use both picks.
And it all comes down to whothey like, how much they like him,
and can they get to him,and are they willing to risk missing
out on the six top guys?Do we think there will be six quarterbacks
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taken in the top ten. That'sthe only way the Vikings don't get any
of them if they stay put.So look, we assume they're going to
trade up, but there is thatoption of staying put and seeing who lands
in their lap. And you havefaith that Kevin O'Connell's going to get the
most out of whoever that guy is. Now, now see, and I
agree with all of that, andit's it's it's laid out in learned fashion,
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specifically with the fIF teams are tryingto gouge you and like go more
than three first round pick stuff likethat. But the thing that was was
ears opening, an eye opening forme with the former GM commenting on on
JJ McCarthy is he didn't say Ithink the Vikings should do he said they
will, and that just that justkind of had a tinge that he's been
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tipped off. And I'm not sayingit's JJ McCarthy, but I'm not saying
it's not. But when he saidthey will, it sounded like he knew
exactly what was going to happen.And then the Jefferson trade suggestion, and
I just I just just wonder,what if anything the former GM has up
his sleeve, Like he's never beenthis splashy as a GM or member of
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the media. Wait, did hesuggest to Jefferson trade? Yeah, it
was on the Charles Davis thirty thirteenpodcast and it was, you know,
like, you know, I tradejustin Jefferson, And it went down the
road of the of the contract situationthat he reportedly rejected, which I find
to be true, but you knowit's I've talked about this a little bit
this week where laying it out fromfrom a baseline standpoint. If indeed you
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have an inkling that you're not goingto be able to come together with him
and you've talked about this, orif he's uncomfortable with the future of the
quarterback situation here, well then yeah, draft night, that's something that you
would need to consider. But allof that flies in the face of my
intel, which is the two sideswere incredibly close on the contract that was
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rejected. The Vikings ten out often want Jefferson back, and Justin has
has voiced no or has voiced noconcern with the future of the quarterback situation
here, so things are hunky dorywith him. I just this is just
out of character for the Spielman thatI've known for years. Well, and
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look, a lot of the stuffthat happens in the NFL is nothing to
see here, and they don't wantus to know where the dysfunction is,
where the hotspots are until it's timeto flip the cards and make your play
now. I said last year atthis time that the Vikings, I believe
number one want a franchise quarterback.They're first one since fran Tarkenton. And
when you look at the names,and we've done a story with all the
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names in there, and it depresseda lot of Vikings fans to see all
those names. There is some nostalgiathat because some of those guys played well,
but nobody was year to year.Dante Colpepper was the closest, and
then Kirk six straight years of eightor more starts the first guy since Tarkenton
had seven straight years of eight ormore starts. But if the idea is
we want the franchise quarterback, thenCousins goes and the next step is Jefferson
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gets used as part of the packageto go up and get the franchise guy.
And I said last year, ifa long term deal isn't done by
the start of the regular season betweenthe Vikings and Justin Jefferson, a trade
is on the table, how canit not be. And when they start
leaking out to people like Chefty thatJefferson turned down thirty million per year,
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that's not coming from Jefferson's camp.That's coming from the team because if you
are going to pivot away from him, you need to be able to lay
the foundation that you were reasonable andhe was not. Can you believe what
he passed on? He passed onthirty million per year. It's a structural
issue, though I've been saying thatfor months. It's not about dollars.
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It's about how much is fully guaranteedat signing. They broke from their pattern
to a certain extent with TJ.Howkinson, and you're going to break from
it more with Justin. I thinkthey're going to have to do three years
fully guaranteed for Justin Jefferson and Paul. Whatever the price was last September,
it's gone up now because the salarycap went up thirteen point six percent,
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right, that was one of thefirst things I thought of when the cap
went to two fifty five point fourfor this year. Well, whatever Justin
Jefferson wants, he wants more now, and he's justified to want more now.
Mike Florio Pro Footballtalk dot Com fifteendays in front of the NFL Draft,
at least the first round and ittakes place in the Motor City,
And speaking of the salarycap going up, what do you think of how Dallas
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handles high enders like Michael Parsons,Dak Prescott and CD Lamb and I read
this last night at Pro Football Talkdot com and the salarycap going up,
you know, is not doing theCowboys any favors by not locking into these
players sooner. I think you madea fantastic point with that, is it
is it quite risky how they areworking deals with players like those guys.
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Well, I'm still trying to figureout what the real motivations of the Jones
family might be. And I've beenfashioning this idea that he's just acting like
Jerry the owner of the team andthe general manager, acting like he wants
to win another Super Bowl. Andthe real play is keep the Cowboys the
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most popular and relevant and watch teamin the NFL, even though they haven't
been to an NFC championship game sincenineteen ninety five. The Vikings have been
to four since then, the Cowboyshave been to zero since then. They
and Washington are the only two teamsthat have that drought for that long in
the NFC, and they managed tokeep the team popular. And the specific
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problem that they have now when theyhave young emerging talent, they wait too
long to pay them. Look whathappened with Ezekiel Ellett. He held out,
and he got a great contract byholding out with Dak Prescott. When
the window opened on a long termdeal for him after three seasons, they
waited. They forced him to playfor like two million dollars in his fourth
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season. Then they franchise tagged hisfifth season, and then his sixth season,
they were going to tag him again, and they realized, well,
wait a minute, if we taghim now, we can't keep him from
becoming a free agent next year becauseit's a forty four percent raise over his
second tag and we can't pay himthat. So they were caught over a
barrel and they got desperate and theydid this four year, one hundred and
sixty million dollar contract that puts himin the exact same spot now where without
an extension, he can walk awayafter this season. And they're moving closer
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to that point with Ceedee Lamb.And you know, the Cowboys flagship station
in Dallas is putting out this ideathat Michael Parsons act is wearing thin.
And I've seen no pushback whatsoever fromthe Cowboys on that, which would suggest
that maybe they believe what's being putout there, and why not just pay
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these guys give them their reward.It is the cost of using your draft
pick on a great player and developinga great player. You win the lottery,
but you have to pay the jackpotto retain the services of the player.
But that's just the way it is. That's what the vice dealing with.
They won the lottery with Justin Jefferson. Now the jackpot goes to the
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ticket, not to the holder ofthe ticket. And that's where the Cowboys,
I think, have gotten themselves intoa mess. And one of the
reasons when they say they're all inbut they can't do anything. Their hands
are tied by the gigantic cap number. They knocked it down a little bit
with Dak Prescott, but it's stillhuge. They have the cap number with
him. They have Cede Lamb enteringthe fifty year of his contract, and
they've got Michael Parsons, who shouldnot set foot on a field until he
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gets the second contract given the positionhe plays. The closer you are to
the ball, the more likely youare to get injured and have the kind
of injury that keeps you from evergetting the money you deserve. So yeah,
they have a mess, and it'sall because they wait too long,
And I said this yesterday on PFTLive. They are, in my opinion,
and despite all the great things theJones family has done for the NFL
and for the Cowboys, when itcomes to these types of situations, they
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are cheap, they are shortsighted,and they're not as smart as they think
they are. Football fief. Isaw the rape GM piece at PFT.
If if the GM DaCosta is correctand the backside of the draft is fraught
with undraftable players, you know,maybe because with the COVID year and then
I l to a certain extent,uh and and maybe Age is playing into
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this. Like Michael Pennix junior.You know, when when he gets his
second contract, if he does,he's going to be twenty nine, close
to thirty years of age. Andthat's old. Right, But it's a
quarterback, he give up. Itdoesn't matter as much as a running back.
But right. But but Age sarcasticby the way, right, But
Age, I, even though Idon't think it was in there, Age
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I believe is playing into what whatDaCosta was talking about. So when when
it comes to undraftable players, endsof Saturdays, Round six and seven and
stuff, If he's accurate. Doyou see this as a trend for coming
years? Well, but the realityis if players start staying in school longer,
right, at some point, itall kind of evens out because they
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stay longer, so they ender thedraft pool the next year, and the
players who would have entered the draftpool that year stay in school another year.
So you know, a lot ofguys come out early and don't get
drafted at all. And I'm afirm believer. Hey, if you can
get paid now that these guys aregetting paid at the college level, stick
around and do it. And Paul, you know, I don't know if
you've talked about this super league conceptwhere they're going to potentially take eighty teams
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and create basically an NFL college versionwhere you would have a union, collective
bargaining, you would have a salarycap, presumably you might even have a
draft. But what you also willhave is contractual language. These guys may
be bound to stay with their teamsfor a certain number of years, just
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like you sign a contract with theVikings for four years, you're stuck for
four years unless the team decides totear it up. So these are all
realities that this revolution in college footballwill create for the NFL and the NFL
to pivot toward dealing with it.But you know the reality is there will
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always be guys available. Every yearthere are great players in college football,
and if some of them stick aroundin college football another year, there will
be somebody else. The NFL welcomesin and they go into the blender and
the best players make it onto thefield, and they'll wait until next year
to add whoever the best players arecoming out in the draft that year.
P FT. With that, withRashie Rice into the equation and with the
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drag racing on a freeway terrorism,what legally becomes of that chiefs wide receiver.
Well, first of all, itdepends upon what the prosecutors choose to
do. And you know, whenyou talk about the most powerful people in
any given jurisdiction, people think judgeis the one at the top of the
pyramid. The reality is the prosecutor. Because the prosecutor has discretion, you
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can go a lot of different ways. Do you prosecute them for the marijuana
possession? The prosecutor in that areahad previously said no more prosecutions of any
kind from marijuana possession issues. Andthen got some pushback and now they're going
to be selective there. But that'snothing compared to the street racing with bodily
injury, which based upon my readingof Texas statutes, looks like a two
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to ten year worst case scenario.And we hear that whole time, we
hear the worst possible outcome, andthen whatever happens is usually far less than
that two to ten. For thatone to five. For leaving the scene
of an accident with basic bodily injury, if it's regarded as serious bodily injury,
it goes up to two to tenas well. And I think Rashi
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Rice realized he was in checkmate,you know, left the scene, which
was stupid and irresponsible, but realizedhe was in checkmate. All you can
really do at this point is admitI was driving, and I take responsibility,
and I'm not going to play games. I'm not going to force judicial
resources to be expended in a waythat would prove I was driving the car
beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm goingto throw myself on the mercy of the
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prosecution and the court and hope thatI get something far less than what I
could have gotten. But I thinkhe's going to get prosecuted because that crash
resulted in injury, and you knowa lot of these kinds of situations.
The outcome is what determines the punishment, but the behavior is the same.
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It's a butt for the grace ofGod. Go I scenario where I did
something really reckless and really stupid andnobody got killed. So I get a
slap on the wrist. But theother guy who does the thing that was
just as stupid and just as recklessbut wasn't lucky and somebody got killed or
seriously injured, that's the guy whobecomes made an example of. But the
behavior is the same, right.That's see, if you really want to
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deter the behavior, you can't justgive a guy a slap on the wrist
because he got lucky, because thenext person who does the same thing may
not get lucky, and the unluckyperson will be the one who gets seriously
injured or killed as a result ofthat behavior. Time for two more.
Mike Florioprofootball Talk dot com. Whatdo you do first night of the draft,
like fifteen days from today? Imean drink heavily? Is Is there
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PFT tweeting and like stories and stufffrom you. I mean, how do
you not know this well? Yourstaff okay, all right, three two?
Your staff does does an unbelievably,unbelievably good job on that night.
But it's like an opportunity to sitin the barn, have a couple of
drinks and tweet and kind of takeit in as opposed to arduously working,
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you know, like like you generallydo ninety four percent of the time.
You know, I will go tothe barn unless my son squats on it
before I can get down there.And we've got five full time writers.
We will come up with a rotationin advance for the post that we will
do based on pick one, two, three, four, five, YadA,
YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah, and I will do for you
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know, the first ten to fifteenpicks. I will do like a real
time video reaction that will then getyou know, packaged and posted and YouTube
and PFT posts, and you know, I try not to be in the
bag so that I can speak properly. But yeah, I mean, if
I'm in the barn, there'll bea cigar, there'll be a drink,
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There'll be you know, some videosas we react to each of the picks
as they go, so it's avery active night. It's a fun night.
The three and a half hours flyby, and then, like that
first night of the draft, foras great as it is, the second
night is okay. By the endof the second night, you're kind of
like, I'm going to be justwith it. By the third day,
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it's like, what the hell arewe doing? And they can do all
the brock prety Tom Brady bull crapthat they want. Nobody knows which of
these guys rounds four, five,six, and seven are going to become
players. That's all to be determinedlater. You could look at every one
of them and say, hey,that guy could be a Hall of Famer,
but we won't know it until theygo play. And no amount of
hype and no amount of bs,and no amount of reciting the credentials of
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every guy who's ever drafted late andmade it to the Hall of Fame or
not rapped it all and made itthe Hall of Fame, like Johnny Randall,
that that doesn't hold my interest.And I think for most people,
only the most hardcore of hardcore aregoing to care about rounds four, five,
six, and seven. So youknow, that's the day that I
exercise the well, we have astaff here that can handle those issues privilege,
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and I just kind of pay moderateattention to what's happening and less and
less attention as the day goes on. And you're Minnesota Vikings, you know,
obviously don't have any picks on Fridayas of now rounds two and three.
So like say, if they don'tknow, I'm going to be like
Mike Dick and go golf. Andthen if they don't end up with any
picks that night, you know,and they do trade up for a quarterback,
say it's McCarthy, Daniels or maythen you know, my suggestion is
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using the field house at Twin CitiesOrthopedics Performance Center, bringing that new quarterback
in and having like season ticket holdersyou know, come in and stuff like
that. I think that'd be alot of fun if you don't have any
picks, you know what I meanabsolutely. I mean, look, if
this guy's going to become the potentialheir to fran Tarkenton forty some years later,
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part of the goal is market andmarket and I think you know what
this is, like, this iscompletely unrelated to the question, but it
is related look at what women's basketballhas done by seizing upon and taking full
advantage of the star power of CaitlinClark, and I think it's incumbent on
every other sport to recognize when youhave a star, you prop that star
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up and you maximize the attention andyou make that as big of a deal
as it can. Now, ithas to be a star player, has
to be a good player. Butyou know, teams out there in every
sport need to understand the key togetting the most possible people interested in what
we're doing is to sell and selland sell our star talent as aggressively as
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we can. And kudos to NCAAWomen's Basketball in the Iowa program for doing
that. And yeah, if theVikings go all in and trade up and
get a quarterback, it's very smartfor the Vikings to commence immediately the process
of turning that guy into the nextnumber ten. Have a great day,
my brother, and I'll call yousoon. I see Mike Florioprofootballtalk dot Com
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and NBC's Football Night in America.Now, Nachito fans fans of Ben liber
and there are many of you.He generally joins nine to noon on Thursdays,
but we're calling it an audible.This week, Ben Lieber will offer
up some of his opinions around thecorner when nine to Noon continues on KFA
Nine to noon, nine to newus A wait set up, Bob.
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Good stuff, that indeed is thegoal providing good stuff. Nine to noon
at f M one hundred point threek f A, N Good morning,
It's Paul Allen on what will developinto a be beautiful Wednesday. Thank you
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for listening to f M one hundredpoint five k f A and being quite
excited for this for a couple ofdays. Corey Chavis a former Minnesota Viking
safety from two thousand and two totwo thousand and five, and during his
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time here Corey at fourteen interceptions anda couple of picks sixes from the arms
of Detroit Lyons quarterbacks and Corey chavsand draft and Nastymagazine dot com that is
and has been, and I'm surewe'll be the preferred draft analytical stop for
nine to noon and yours truly andCorey joins us. Now, Hey there,
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CC, welcome to nine to noonand how are things. I'm good,
pay man, how are you doing? Excellent? Excellent hearing from you
and excellent going to Draft Nasty Magazinedot com and you know, learning about
the law firm that is South DakotaState and a couple of people and getting
to that throwback section where I meanwe're old school best school. Distance is
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never disdained. We're old school,best school. And like starting with Bryce
Callahan and just going down through it, Man, that just brought that.
That was like down memory lane wego that. That was really cool man.
Yeah, well, Bryce Callahan,that was probably like about what ten
drafts back now fall we've been We'vebeen going at it for some years now.
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Man, It's it's great to beon again, just thinking about some
of those times talking about Matt Khaliland players like that. Yeah, it's
now the NFL Draft starts in fifteendays in the Motor City. So how
about this. Corey went to twelveand oh during his career against the Detroit
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Lions. Twelve and oh with acouple of pick sixes. Now, now
the Lions are a super Bowl caliberteam. What what impresses you with the
way Holmes etc. Have built theseDetroit Lions. Well, I'm really good.
I'm pretty good friends with Brad.I mean, we spent a lot
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of time together because he was withthe Rams when I was there, and
I've gotten to know him over theyears. And the one thing about him
is that he's very meticulous in termsof just like I've spent time with him
even during All Star Games, lookingat some guys and just knowing that he
and how how much he cares aboutabout it and how much time he puts
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into it and really just some ofthe I played against Dad Campbell when he
was in the NFL and kind ofknow what he brings to the table in
terms of I think it's football.IQ is probably the most underrated part of
what he brings to the table fromthat perspective, And I think their quarterback,
Jared Golf It's kind of was justas underappreciated to a large degree is
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Kirk Cuttins was for a number ofyears. So I feel like when you
have those three pieces together, youhave a chance. I am and and
Holmes and his staff definitely are praiseworthy. I mean with with Jamiir Gibbs and
Sam Laporta and just some things thatthey that that they've done, certainly Aiden
Hutchinson with the draft over the lastX amount of years. But you know
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when when when the Vikings and Lionstraded a couple of years ago and and
TJ. Hawkinson came here, allright, TJ's quite good. Good.
Of course, you know that he'sfast, the routes are good, the
depth of the routes are good,and and TJ's a fine tight end.
But you know, the Lions,what what I respected about them is is
they were like, Okay, weknow we're giving you a good player,
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and we know we are depleting ourtight end spot by doing this, but
we also know you're gonna have topay TJ if you want him. And
we also know the twenty twenty threedraft might be one of the deeper tight
end drafts in the history of theNFL. And we also like this Iowa
kid, Sam lad and we're goingto beg Borrow and Steele to do whatever
we need to do to get tohis spot, and they did. I
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just have a high level of respectfor people who forward think like that.
Yeah. I think you bring upa great point, Paul, with the
kind of comparing it to how youprojected the porter, because he really played
a lot at the receiver, aposition in Iowa was outside sometimes that the
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X receive even played a little whilequarterback. So I think you talk about
that forward jaking, they had alreadyseen them deployed they've seen him in certain
spots where a lot of side endsdon't line up as much as he was
asked to do at Iowa because they'repast the game, let's face it.
Particularly his final year there was prettyanemic, So that was something I think
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the point that you bring up abouthow they kind of saw what he could
be within their offense to a largedegree, was a big reason why he
had so much success and was probablytheir most consistent or after a monro Say
Brown third down thrip, Corey Chaviswith Draft Nasty magazine dot com and what
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do you think of this? CoachEve Ravens general manager Eric DaCosta recently said,
because of NCAA rules, off theCOVID year and NIL to a certain
extent, more players are staying incollege and thus this year's draft is basically
void of draftable players. When youget to parts of Saturday and like,
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you know, deep in it,but like rounds four through seven, what
do you think of that? Hesaid that the guys are undraftable. Why
because they're too old. I knowthat's a big concern with NFL team.
Yes, is the age, it'sto a large degree, but yeah,
I don't necessarily think that that's almostlike you're not vote Knicks before being twenty
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four years old, right, Paul, Well, if you think about it,
twenty four years old coming out fora quarter with the age, we
just saw Kurt get a four yeardeal at thirty six. You saw how
much Aaron Rodgers got a thirty nine, So I think the age has to
be extended for that position. Now, if you're talking about running backs,
for example, does it really matterif they're twenty four or twenty five because
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they're probably gonna You're probably gonna gofor your next running back when they're twenty
eight or twenty nine. That's almostlike being thirty five back in the day.
So I do think because of maybethe age being over analyzed a bit,
you're only gonna have the guy forfour years, So who cares to
be twenty one or twenty four?And if he's twenty four, you're only
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concerned about that rookie contract right rightright to start. I mean, but
the assumption is, you know,if you're taking to McCarthy or Appendix or
somebody that you're gonna hit on,that you're gonna hit and you would want
them there for a decade or adecade plus, and you know, I'm
glad you went down that road becausethe ages. Yeah, I wanted to
ask you about McCarthy. I mean, he turned twenty one years of age
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three months ago, and Michael PennixJunior. I mean this, I like
how you laid it out, andyou're right, but it just kind of
trips me out a little bit thatwhen he gets a second contract, he's
going to be twenty nine years old. I mean that's just weird. Yeah.
No, I mean when you putit like that, it sounds pretty
because if he's not, let's sayfor us, if you really like where
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he's headed in his career, it'salmost like, well, we just talked
about Paul with Jared Goff. Ifyou're Delians now and he's twenty nine,
is he going really into that prime, you know, twenty nine through thirty
three? Or do the athletic limitationsbegin to show up right when you next
season it's a little bit more,maybe even two years from now. That's
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what they've got to kind of ponderthere. So, and when you talk
about Pinnick, your point about Pinnickwhen you've got to ACLS and you've got
a shoulder injury, that makes hissituation more pronounced. I think when you
do look at the age, becausehe's probably even a little older than his
age suggest based on the injury history. So I think everything's within context to
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a degree. Fortunately, but DetroitGolf has been a relatively durable quarterback,
so it makes the decision a littlebit easier. But when you have those
injuries now the age becomes even moreof a factor. What Corey, what
job? I haven't asked you this. What do you think about the transfer
portal and how it's impacting college football? Man? You know what, Paul,
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I really like it, and Ithink that the thing that it's done.
I was just watching today. Iwas looking at Jordan Waters, who's
been around a couple of places,just ended up going to NC State with
their quarterback that they got Grace andMcCall. He was at Coastal Carolina and
probably one of the top quarterbacks inthe country the last three or four years.
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And what it does is that itallows some of these players who would
normally go under the radar. Let'stake a look at this year's draft.
Jared Verse, played at Albany,was one of the better SBS defensive bands
in the country there, largely overlooked. Get a chance to watch him in
his first career game against Jade Daniels. I got a chance to watch him,
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and you could see that obviously heshould have been playing, you know,
at the FBS level or at theAnd I think it gives an opportunity
for guys like a Jared Verse togo from probably going undrafted to potentially being
a top ten or fifteen pick.Wow. That's why I like the transfer
portal. You know, examples likethat, and there's so many of those
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throughout college football. And it alsogives a guy like Jaden Daniels, for
example, he was about to flameout Arizona State two years ago, final
game of the year the Las VegasBowl doesn't play real well. You wonder
where he was going to go.That staff kind of discombobulated out there Arizona
State. He finds a new homein LSU, and now he turns his
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whole career into what many people expectedhe would do coming out of high school.
So I do think that the transferportal has reinvigorated a lot of the
players once they get to their newstop. We are quarterback crazy up here
in the cornfields. Cory after gettingthat first from Houston. So as you
know, of course, the Vikingshave eleven and twenty three heading into the
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first round fifteen days from today.Now, if the Minnesota Vikings trade up
for North Carolina quarterback Drake May,how do you think that'll work with what
they already have and how Kevin O'Connellruns offense. I think it's I think
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the points you make about Kevin O'Connelland how he runs the offense. I
think he's a really just a fantasticoffensive play caller. And I know there
have been some probably had some questionson May. He's maybe later, you
know, in some of the situations, but they have to deal with with
what he had to deal with therethis year and to still have that prolific
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offense. It's everything you need toknow about what he's capable of. But
I feel like Drake May, becauseof how you attack defenses, particularly vertically
and in the middle of the field, some of the throws that you're asking
your quarterbacks to make, I thinkMay he has to be more consistent.
I think on a down to downbasis, you'll just see it'll kind of
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go all over the place from timeto time. So the consistency part,
I think is something that would helpwith the repetitions within the offense and the
scheme though however, kind of matcheshis skill set to a degree. I
think he would end up being apretty good fit. And I think his
arm strength would translate outdoors, whichI think is an important consideration because you've
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got to play a couple of gamesin Chicago and Green Bay and it may
be for the playoffs, right,So in that case, I will probably
say the guy who's the better callwhether selections would be either Pinnicks McCarthy,
based on how I'm seeing them handlethose situations in the fast and with JJ
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in JJ McCarthy, you know,giving he turned twenty one years of age
three months ago, and I'm notdraft nasty all twenty two guy, and
I'm not going to you know,the Senior Bowl and the East West and
stuff like that. You know,so therefore you know a thousand times more
about it than me. But whathe did at ages nineteen, about that
ages nineteen and twenty for this kid, are you kidding me? I mean,
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the maturation is obvious. Everybody cansee it. And when they start
dinging him for being like a gamemanager and you know he and they're going
to run the ball and play defensestuff like that. Well, I mean,
there's also something to be said forbeing a quarterback of a national champion
who doesn't mess things up. Andwhen you got those big third downs,
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he seemed to hit on every singleone of them. And Kevin O'Connell said
on the radio show a couple ofweeks ago, he just made it sound
like McCarthy of the Ballyhood four,the first four everybody talks about is the
one who operates from under center viathe play action better than anybody. And
you know, all those things justlike really resonate with me with what they
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do up here, you know whatI mean. Yeah, and then on
top of it, the athleticism.I think that's something with him that is
vastly underrated. I mean, evenif you were to look at like you
look at most of the top cornersin the draft, and I know,
a big test and drill would bethe three phone drill in terms of how
they changed direction. He went upto the combine had a six' eight
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two. That's elite athleticism. That'slike a top notch corner coming out of
school. It's probably better than mostof the corners. And he also had
a four to two short shuttle,so that just kind of gives you an
idea of his athleticism. And thenthe big thing for me was on third
down, no interceptions, didn't makea lot of mistakes in that area,
which is kind of the opposite ofsome of the other quarterbacks that you have,
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particularly we were just talking about mayAs some of the fourth quarter struggles
at times this year. But forMcCarthy, I think the thing that you
had to like about him, beyondjust being able to make some of the
more difficult plays outside the pocket,is he really relishes the moments in terms
of he's a big game player obviously, but I think he relishes the competitive
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moments within a game, so heunderstands what you're talking about. When they
need him to make a play,I think those are the times where his
competitive juices get growing. He's avery competitive player. That's what I noticed
when I watched him. J JadenDaniels, the LSU quarterback. What do
you dig and what would be someof your NFL related concerns. Well,
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the sacks were really a concern ayear ago. He was too quick to
take off really just not only intwenty twenty, want to reference that a
little bit earlier, but even lastyear they were among the You would never
think the quarterback was that much mobility. I know people always say, well,
it was the offensive line with TerrillBull every that's the that's the excuse.
I don't buy that. I thinkhalf of the quarterback sacks are probably
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on the offensive line and the otherhalf or on you. And they gave
up forty five a year ago.That completely flipped around. The two quarterbacks
who get rid of the ball anddon't get sacked in this draft are probably
finnicked. And also next they wereamong the least sacked quarterbacks in college football.
I think that's something you have tolook at that the translates. It
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certainly is translated from me over theyears watching that when the quarterbacks get to
the NFL. But he improved inthat area. He improved in terms of
the pocket presence ball, and Ithink that that's something that you had to
see him take the next step ontrusting it in the pocket one more tick,
one more second. But I thinkhe attacks what he does scramble.
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The difference between him earlier in hiscareer and now when he scrambles, he
attacks vertically as opposed to horizontally.That puts way more pressure on you defensively.
When you attack in the middle asa scrambler, it almost splits your
defense and half. So that's somethingthat I think is going to be something
that will translate a little bit.Concerned about the frame though, I went
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to go say, a player thisyear against Missouri got hurt in that game
the fourth quarter, led a fourthquarter comeback victory in that game, but
had to come back in the game, and so the durability concerns with him.
He hasn't missed a lot of time, but there's still something that teams
are probably going to consider hardcore footballwithout former Viking safety Corey Chavis. Draft
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Nasty Magazine dot com is the website, and this is non obvious draft analysis
with one of the very best.And we're greatly appreciative that Corey's on the
radio show. Just a few herewith Pennix Junior and bow Knicks and the
Minnesota Vikings. All Right, soPennick Junior, Knicks, Minnesota Vikings.
Do either of them fit up here? Maybe every bit as well as the
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first three we've mentioned Daniels, McCarthyand May. Yeah, well, I
think Pendix is probably more of us. And again we went over and nauseum.
The injury concerns earlier. But Ido think from a vertical passing game
and how when you do decide attackvertically, I guess it's a good point
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off of your play action run gameif you get the run game established the
way you want to get it establishednormally. I think he can do a
lot hand those. Again, wetalked about the weather, ten and a
half inch hands. I know peoplesay hand size doesn't matter. Well,
he could control the ball and Ithink he's the best deep ball passer in
this class, So yes, Ido think it matters, But the injuries
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are concern both knicks. I'd liketo see him getting more of a quick
timing passing game. I think that'swhere he excels. I think he's probably
getting a little bit underrated. Hemiss some deep shots, but I thought
in twenty twenty two he threw thedeep ball a little bit better than he
did at times this year. Butlook, seventy seven percent completion percentage.
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I think that says it all abouthow much he improved during school. That's
fantastic And lastly with some quarterback relatedtakes from Corey Chavis and hopefully we get
the opportunity within the next couple ofweeks to do this again if you have
time, so we can hit onthe law firm at the South Dakota State
University and does some of the nonquarterback non quarterback players coming into the draft.
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But lastly on the quarterbacks. WhatI'm asking you about South Carolina quarterback
Spencer Rattler, who I mean,you know, just with all due respect,
you know, until I went tothe NFL combine, I couldn't pick
him out of a two person lineupstanding next to Pat Williams. I always
love that one. But now I'mhearing about all this washbuckling nature and when
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it's good, it's unbelievably good.But when he kills games, it's like
kill he kills games in a hurry. And so I've just been waiting to
ask you about Spencer Ratler. Whatwhat's your take on on that quarterback?
I think that what you said prettymuch is to take I think that's probably
the best way to describe him interms of like how his career kind of
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went along. And then Caleb Williamscame to Oklahoma, and that's that kind
of I think robbed him a littlebit of some of his confidence. It
took him a while to kind ofget it back, and I think he
did at South Carolina later in theseason a year ago, that big game
against Tennessee that was the upset.Six staydown passes in that game, I
believe. But you've had some momentswhere he's shown everything you want a seat
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in terms of being able to attackall levels of the field. I thought
he played out standing in the firstquarter the Senior Bowl, got the MVP
of the game. But I thinkfor him, it's just gonna come down
to He's not going to be likesome of these other guys we talked about
in terms of mobility and being ableto I think he does enough within the
pocket. It's probably a better athletethan the testing numbers would indicate. And
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I just think it's gonna be aboutmaintaining the same level of confidence he kind
of regained his final year at SouthCarolina, maintaining net going into the league
because his arm talent is real andI think he can do everything that you
want to see a quarterback that youwere drafted and potentially the third or fourth
round. Maybe he goes second round. I wouldn't be surprised and gets an
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opportunity early, my man, Thankyou very much for helping us. Greatly
appreciate it, and I will doa better job of staying in touch and
I look forward to chatting with youon or off the radio. Okay,
no, dub man, I reallyappreciate you having me home. Man.
I'm let everything's going well. Yep. See a letter Corey Chavis, Draft
Nasty and Draft Nasty magazine dot com. They have an online edition of the
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Draft Nasty the draft periodical. Therealso is a book that eventually comes out,
but I subscribe to it every singleyear. And when I'm hosting the
draft party with beloved Nachito, theanalyst and the co host of the writing
Football Fiece, I have Cory's analysisin front of me for some deep diving
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on some takes from what these rookieshave not only done in their collegiate career,
but all the way back to theirhigh school careers and like the players
with whom they played, and it'snon obvious draft analysis and he's absolutely fantastic.
Thank you very much, Corey Nordo, who's equally fantastic produces nine to
Noon and I'm Paul Allen the stateof the how the Minnesota Timberwolves, with
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three games to go, will bethe bill of fare around the corner nine
to noon and truncated fashion. Mindyou walking up to Pro Football Talk dot
COM's Mike Florio at about nine thirtynine, and all of that takes place
right here in the Love Covenant atFM one hundred point three KFA n or
nine to new Chance got it rightside the left hand, trying to turn
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the corn on. You'll get intoit. He runs it up off class.
He got it for two more fiftyone for Anthony Edward's a new career
high, the first time in hiscareer's gone for fifty plus. Alan Horton
calling the victory over the Washington Wizardslast night at Target Center and down the
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stretch we come with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Team Howell, Welcome back to nine
to noon. The Timberwolves are backin action this evening and they take on
the world champions they vaunted Denver Nuggets. That one for Sports Knobs is bally
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Hood. For fans of the howbally Hood and this one is going to
take off at like nine o'clock tonight, and it's a very very compelling game.
And it's on the fan tonight too, so tune into that live.
It's on KFA. And I listenedto the to the iHeart Radio app last
night with Alan Horton driving home,driving home from Lakeville, and something was
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revelatory with the call, and I'vemanaged to I thought about it a few
times. It's not with de LettedBoudair like rehearsing that fifteen times a Thursday
night before Friday football feast. Butlike I said it few times, it's
the pronunciation of of of your guy'sname with the Wizards, or we're like
a visa a visa because we've lookedat it a million times. Yeah,
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I mean I'm not, you know, with the with the NBA League pass,
I'm not. I'm not finding theWizards unless they're playing the Nuggets are
okay, ce super deep in theseason, and it like impacts what the
hell does looking for phonetic spelling chartsof names. I've already forgotten the old
people have forgotten. I think it'sa VJ or it's it's something jay.
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It's not a visa. It's likea vidaja or something. But and I
and the Kissberg cat. I hadforgotten Allen was just just dropping nugget after
nugget after nugget after nugget last nightduring that Wolve's comeback when I was listening
on my twenty three minute drive home. And and the Kisbert cat for Laura
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kiss right, you know, hewere familiar with the name, but not
necessarily familiar with the game. Andmy man had a big box score last
night for a bad team. ButI had forgotten that he played for some
really, really good Gonzaga teams,including one that went to the I think
of the NCAA Championship game and lost. So you know, even though it's
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poorest team, and you know,they got players who who few have heard
of the they're not that far removedfrom high end status for high end squads
in Division one basketball. Yeah,and so therefore you know that that's why
yesterday with Chris Finch, you know, I pressed him a little bit and
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asked him, you know, whenwhen you're dealing with these non playoff teams,
you know, it's low hanging fruithere, man, and easier said
than done, because human nature getsto win two occasionally, but I mean,
you just want to bury these teamsand just make them realize that when
they leave their facilities on Monday,they ain't coming back for months, right,
And that's Turks and Caicos, andthat's Las Vegas, and that's Florida,
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and that that's a that's Punta conOn everything they want to do to
spend the money they make during thecourse of the season. But then they
played the game and it, Imean, we were trailing the Wizards for
more than half the game, andit was bugging me for a minute when
I went to texting you last night. But then Anthony Edwards finished with fifty
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one, a career high. Covenantleft through that by the way, he
just took over. Yeah, Imean fifty one fifty one, but it's
a career high for one of thebetter players in the NBA, and he's
quite likable. But I just won. I was wondering if anybody was bugged
that they were trailing the awful Wizardsfor more than half the game. It
bugged me for a second, butit's it's in a lot of sports.
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We've seen this movie. Thus knowingthe ending before knowing the ending previously,
where you know, good teams willfor whatever the reason, they'll get these
meat grinders with these bad teams.But when they put the pedal to the
metal, that's it. It's overin like six minutes. Well it's interesting
too because earlier in the year andFinch you had asked him about it,
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like, hey, you know what'sup with all these blowouts? Right like
in December and January, XYZ teamthey're hanging it up midway through the third
quarter, down by twenty five,live to fight on another day. But
you look at a team like theWizards. Yeah, they're they're awful,
and they're not going to the playoffsand all they have are sunny beaches and
sunny days ahead of them in thissummer. Yeah, But the Corey Kispers
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of the world are playing for contractslike the Zach Edy bit yesterday, and
we can we can make jokes aboutit, like Zach Edy's going to be
on the back end of a benchand he's going to be on an LFL
waiver wire for blocks at some pointin his career. That's a very good
point in college, all these guysare assassins. The worst guy on an
NBA roster just like the worst NFLplayer that we can all joke about.
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He set records at his high school. He was a studding college and it's
the same with all of these guys, Corey Kisper and in the NBA,
by the way, whether it's JaydenDaniels getting like a one hundred and twenty
five million dollar rookie extension, theseguys are playing for cash. And so
you know, it seems like overthe last month and a half or so,
a lot of these NBA games haveactually those massive deficits in those blowouts
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have kind of shrunk a little bit, and so an opportunity for some of
those guys still learning how to pronouncea Vita jet or how to shay it.
But he's putting up twenty five andten and Kispert's hitting five triples.
These guys are taking advantage of themoments. It would have bugged me had
it been a meat grinder late.I mean, like, you're trailing one
of the worst teams in the NBAand their best player, Kyle Kuzma's not
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playing. They traded their best bigDaniel Galford to Dallas, so they're void
of size inside and Rudy eventually madethem pay for that. But it would
have bugged me he had it beena meat grinder late. But the Wolves
pushed that button, that metaphorical button, and blew right on by I mean
good cockshore teams do things like that. So Denver was in a battle at
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Utah last night midway through the fourthquarter, but held them to fifteen points
in said stanza and won by sixteen. So on KFA in this evening,
Wolves at Denver and the winner ownsthe top seed in the Western Conference with
two games to play. It's amassive, massive spot tonight. Jamal Murray
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has returned for the Champions, andhe went for an effortless twenty eight on
fifty five percent shooting last night injust twenty seven minutes. And the Timberwolves
released to stabment yesterday, indicating KarlAnthony Towns is taking part in full contact
practices, which means his return ison the horizon. By Florio from p
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FT, yah, you know weis neckt p FT nine Time for two
more e t Hey, Mike,what's going on? My mem How are
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you today? Paul Allen? Well, mister Mike Florio, I'm doing quite
well. Hopefully things are well outWest Virginia. It's an exciting time of
the year if you follow the NationalFootball League closely, as many of us
do, and that would include frequentlyhittingprofootball talk dot com to see what's new
with these rookies, what's new withBill Belichick, what's new with these veterans,
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and stuff like that, and alsofor me to learn of some things.
Rick Spielman said recently via CBS Sportspodcast and a thirty third Team podcast
with Charles Davis. I saw thatat Pro Football Talk dot Com. Now
the Spielman piece. What do youthink compelled Rick to postulate Minnesota will trade
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up and overpay for Michigan quarterback JJMcCarthy and good morning. I think he's
just reading the tee lees and goodmorning to you as well as we all
do. We saw the week inwhich Kirk Cousins absconded from Minnesota for the
one undred million fully guaranteed in Atlanta. That was Monday Friday of that same
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week was when the Vikings picked upthe twenty third or overall selection in the
twenty twenty four draft. They didn'tdo it to use that pick. You
don't pick up that selection weeks inadvance to use it, you pick it
up to trade it, and we'vebeen expecting ever since. Then the next
shoe to drop will be picks eleventwenty three, maybe the twenty twenty five
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first round, or maybe more maybesomething else. Who knows to get in
position to get one of the topquarterbacks. Spielman of the mind that the
Vikings have some degree of attraction toJJ McCarthy, and I think he's right.
If they want him, they're goingto have to overpay to go get
him. But they really don't havea choice now. The caveat to that
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is, and I think I sawan item to this effect in the Star
Tribune over the weekend. You couldsit tight at number eleven and just see
what happens. Does Michael Pennox andyour fall a number eleven? Does Drake
may falled a number of eleven.I think it's a risky proposition because you
got the Bears at number nine andthey just have a handful of picks this
year. They could trade out withthe Broncos or the Raiders at that point,
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who would jump up and get theguy who's creeping toward the Vikings at
eleven or ten? The Jets whowould like to replenish, at a minimum,
the second round pick they gave upthis year for the Aaron Rodgers trade.
They could drop down with the Raidersor the Broncos and the Vikings would
get screwed that way. So sittingtight might not be an option. But
the other option would be to justsay, you know what, we're gonna
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go with sam Donold this year.We don't like any of these demands that
the Patriots or the Cardinals or theChargers or whoever might be making, so
we're not gonna move up at all. We're just gonna use both picks.
And it all comes down to whothey like, how much they like him,
and can they get to him,and are they willing to risk missing
out on the six top guys?Do we think there will be six quarterbacks
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taken in the top ten. That'sthe only way the Vikings don't get any
of them if they stay put.So look, we assume they're going to
trade up, but there is thatoption of staying put and seeing who lands
in their lap. And you havefaith that Kevin O'Connell's going to get the
most out of whoever that guy is. Now, now see, and I
agree with all of that, andit's it's it's laid out in learned fashion,
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specifically with the fIF teams are tryingto gouge you and like go more
than three first round pick stuff likethat. But the thing that was was
ears opening, an eye opening forme with the former GM commenting on on
JJ McCarthy is he didn't say Ithink the Vikings should do he said they
will, and that just that justkind of had a tinge that he's been
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tipped off. And I'm not sayingit's JJ McCarthy, but I'm not saying
it's not. But when he saidthey will, it sounded like he knew
exactly what was going to happen.And then the Jefferson trade suggestion, and
I just I just just wonder,what if anything the former GM has up
his sleeve, Like he's never beenthis splashy as a GM or member of
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the media. Wait, did hesuggest to Jefferson trade? Yeah, it
was on the Charles Davis thirty thirteenpodcast and it was, you know,
like, you know, I tradejustin Jefferson, And it went down the
road of the of the contract situationthat he reportedly rejected, which I find
to be true, but you knowit's I've talked about this a little bit
this week where laying it out fromfrom a baseline standpoint. If indeed you
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have an inkling that you're not goingto be able to come together with him
and you've talked about this, orif he's uncomfortable with the future of the
quarterback situation here, well then yeah, draft night, that's something that you
would need to consider. But allof that flies in the face of my
intel, which is the two sideswere incredibly close on the contract that was
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rejected. The Vikings ten out often want Jefferson back, and Justin has
has voiced no or has voiced noconcern with the future of the quarterback situation
here, so things are hunky dorywith him. I just this is just
out of character for the Spielman thatI've known for years. Well, and
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look, a lot of the stuffthat happens in the NFL is nothing to
see here, and they don't wantus to know where the dysfunction is,
where the hotspots are until it's timeto flip the cards and make your play
now. I said last year atthis time that the Vikings, I believe
number one want a franchise quarterback.They're first one since fran Tarkenton. And
when you look at the names,and we've done a story with all the
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names in there, and it depresseda lot of Vikings fans to see all
those names. There is some nostalgiathat because some of those guys played well,
but nobody was year to year.Dante Colpepper was the closest, and
then Kirk six straight years of eightor more starts the first guy since Tarkenton
had seven straight years of eight ormore starts. But if the idea is
we want the franchise quarterback, thenCousins goes and the next step is Jefferson
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gets used as part of the packageto go up and get the franchise guy.
And I said last year, ifa long term deal isn't done by
the start of the regular season betweenthe Vikings and Justin Jefferson, a trade
is on the table, how canit not be. And when they start
leaking out to people like Chefty thatJefferson turned down thirty million per year,
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that's not coming from Jefferson's camp.That's coming from the team because if you
are going to pivot away from him, you need to be able to lay
the foundation that you were reasonable andhe was not. Can you believe what
he passed on? He passed onthirty million per year. It's a structural
issue, though I've been saying thatfor months. It's not about dollars.
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It's about how much is fully guaranteedat signing. They broke from their pattern
to a certain extent with TJ.Howkinson, and you're going to break from
it more with Justin. I thinkthey're going to have to do three years
fully guaranteed for Justin Jefferson and Paul. Whatever the price was last September,
it's gone up now because the salarycap went up thirteen point six percent,
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right, that was one of thefirst things I thought of when the cap
went to two fifty five point fourfor this year. Well, whatever Justin
Jefferson wants, he wants more now, and he's justified to want more now.
Mike Florio Pro Footballtalk dot Com fifteendays in front of the NFL Draft,
at least the first round and ittakes place in the Motor City,
And speaking of the salarycap going up, what do you think of how Dallas
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handles high enders like Michael Parsons,Dak Prescott and CD Lamb and I read
this last night at Pro Football Talkdot com and the salarycap going up,
you know, is not doing theCowboys any favors by not locking into these
players sooner. I think you madea fantastic point with that, is it
is it quite risky how they areworking deals with players like those guys.
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Well, I'm still trying to figureout what the real motivations of the Jones
family might be. And I've beenfashioning this idea that he's just acting like
Jerry the owner of the team andthe general manager, acting like he wants
to win another Super Bowl. Andthe real play is keep the Cowboys the
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most popular and relevant and watch teamin the NFL, even though they haven't
been to an NFC championship game sincenineteen ninety five. The Vikings have been
to four since then, the Cowboyshave been to zero since then. They
and Washington are the only two teamsthat have that drought for that long in
the NFC, and they managed tokeep the team popular. And the specific
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problem that they have now when theyhave young emerging talent, they wait too
long to pay them. Look whathappened with Ezekiel Ellett. He held out,
and he got a great contract byholding out with Dak Prescott. When
the window opened on a long termdeal for him after three seasons, they
waited. They forced him to playfor like two million dollars in his fourth
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season. Then they franchise tagged hisfifth season, and then his sixth season,
they were going to tag him again, and they realized, well,
wait a minute, if we taghim now, we can't keep him from
becoming a free agent next year becauseit's a forty four percent raise over his
second tag and we can't pay himthat. So they were caught over a
barrel and they got desperate and theydid this four year, one hundred and
sixty million dollar contract that puts himin the exact same spot now where without
an extension, he can walk awayafter this season. And they're moving closer
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to that point with Ceedee Lamb.And you know, the Cowboys flagship station
in Dallas is putting out this ideathat Michael Parsons act is wearing thin.
And I've seen no pushback whatsoever fromthe Cowboys on that, which would suggest
that maybe they believe what's being putout there, and why not just pay
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these guys give them their reward.It is the cost of using your draft
pick on a great player and developinga great player. You win the lottery,
but you have to pay the jackpotto retain the services of the player.
But that's just the way it is. That's what the vice dealing with.
They won the lottery with Justin Jefferson. Now the jackpot goes to the
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ticket, not to the holder ofthe ticket. And that's where the Cowboys,
I think, have gotten themselves intoa mess. And one of the
reasons when they say they're all inbut they can't do anything. Their hands
are tied by the gigantic cap number. They knocked it down a little bit
with Dak Prescott, but it's stillhuge. They have the cap number with
him. They have Cede Lamb enteringthe fifty year of his contract, and
they've got Michael Parsons, who shouldnot set foot on a field until he
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gets the second contract given the positionhe plays. The closer you are to
the ball, the more likely youare to get injured and have the kind
of injury that keeps you from evergetting the money you deserve. So yeah,
they have a mess, and it'sall because they wait too long,
And I said this yesterday on PFTLive. They are, in my opinion,
and despite all the great things theJones family has done for the NFL
and for the Cowboys, when itcomes to these types of situations, they
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are cheap, they are shortsighted,and they're not as smart as they think
they are. Football fief. Isaw the rape GM piece at PFT.
If if the GM DaCosta is correctand the backside of the draft is fraught
with undraftable players, you know,maybe because with the COVID year and then
I l to a certain extent,uh and and maybe Age is playing into
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this. Like Michael Pennix junior.You know, when when he gets his
second contract, if he does,he's going to be twenty nine, close
to thirty years of age. Andthat's old. Right, But it's a
quarterback, he give up. Itdoesn't matter as much as a running back.
But right. But but Age sarcasticby the way, right, But
Age, I, even though Idon't think it was in there, Age
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I believe is playing into what whatDaCosta was talking about. So when when
it comes to undraftable players, endsof Saturdays, Round six and seven and
stuff, If he's accurate. Doyou see this as a trend for coming
years? Well, but the realityis if players start staying in school longer,
right, at some point, itall kind of evens out because they
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stay longer, so they ender thedraft pool the next year, and the
players who would have entered the draftpool that year stay in school another year.
So you know, a lot ofguys come out early and don't get
drafted at all. And I'm afirm believer. Hey, if you can
get paid now that these guys aregetting paid at the college level, stick
around and do it. And Paul, you know, I don't know if
you've talked about this super league conceptwhere they're going to potentially take eighty teams
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and create basically an NFL college versionwhere you would have a union, collective
bargaining, you would have a salarycap, presumably you might even have a
draft. But what you also willhave is contractual language. These guys may
be bound to stay with their teamsfor a certain number of years, just
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like you sign a contract with theVikings for four years, you're stuck for
four years unless the team decides totear it up. So these are all
realities that this revolution in college footballwill create for the NFL and the NFL
to pivot toward dealing with it.But you know the reality is there will
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always be guys available. Every yearthere are great players in college football,
and if some of them stick aroundin college football another year, there will
be somebody else. The NFL welcomesin and they go into the blender and
the best players make it onto thefield, and they'll wait until next year
to add whoever the best players arecoming out in the draft that year.
P FT. With that, withRashie Rice into the equation and with the
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drag racing on a freeway terrorism,what legally becomes of that chiefs wide receiver.
Well, first of all, itdepends upon what the prosecutors choose to
do. And you know, whenyou talk about the most powerful people in
any given jurisdiction, people think judgeis the one at the top of the
pyramid. The reality is the prosecutor. Because the prosecutor has discretion, you
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can go a lot of different ways. Do you prosecute them for the marijuana
possession? The prosecutor in that areahad previously said no more prosecutions of any
kind from marijuana possession issues. Andthen got some pushback and now they're going
to be selective there. But that'snothing compared to the street racing with bodily
injury, which based upon my readingof Texas statutes, looks like a two
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to ten year worst case scenario.And we hear that whole time, we
hear the worst possible outcome, andthen whatever happens is usually far less than
that two to ten. For thatone to five. For leaving the scene
of an accident with basic bodily injury, if it's regarded as serious bodily injury,
it goes up to two to tenas well. And I think Rashi
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Rice realized he was in checkmate,you know, left the scene, which
was stupid and irresponsible, but realizedhe was in checkmate. All you can
really do at this point is admitI was driving, and I take responsibility,
and I'm not going to play games. I'm not going to force judicial
resources to be expended in a waythat would prove I was driving the car
beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm goingto throw myself on the mercy of the
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prosecution and the court and hope thatI get something far less than what I
could have gotten. But I thinkhe's going to get prosecuted because that crash
resulted in injury, and you knowa lot of these kinds of situations.
The outcome is what determines the punishment, but the behavior is the same.
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It's a butt for the grace ofGod. Go I scenario where I did
something really reckless and really stupid andnobody got killed. So I get a
slap on the wrist. But theother guy who does the thing that was
just as stupid and just as recklessbut wasn't lucky and somebody got killed or
seriously injured, that's the guy whobecomes made an example of. But the
behavior is the same, right.That's see, if you really want to
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deter the behavior, you can't justgive a guy a slap on the wrist
because he got lucky, because thenext person who does the same thing may
not get lucky, and the unluckyperson will be the one who gets seriously
injured or killed as a result ofthat behavior. Time for two more.
Mike Florioprofootball Talk dot com. Whatdo you do first night of the draft,
like fifteen days from today? Imean drink heavily? Is Is there
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PFT tweeting and like stories and stufffrom you. I mean, how do
you not know this well? Yourstaff okay, all right, three two?
Your staff does does an unbelievably,unbelievably good job on that night.
But it's like an opportunity to sitin the barn, have a couple of
drinks and tweet and kind of takeit in as opposed to arduously working,
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you know, like like you generallydo ninety four percent of the time.
You know, I will go tothe barn unless my son squats on it
before I can get down there.And we've got five full time writers.
We will come up with a rotationin advance for the post that we will
do based on pick one, two, three, four, five, YadA,
YadA, YadA, YadA. Yeah, and I will do for you
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know, the first ten to fifteenpicks. I will do like a real
time video reaction that will then getyou know, packaged and posted and YouTube
and PFT posts, and you know, I try not to be in the
bag so that I can speak properly. But yeah, I mean, if
I'm in the barn, there'll bea cigar, there'll be a drink,
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There'll be you know, some videosas we react to each of the picks
as they go, so it's avery active night. It's a fun night.
The three and a half hours flyby, and then, like that
first night of the draft, foras great as it is, the second
night is okay. By the endof the second night, you're kind of
like, I'm going to be justwith it. By the third day,
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it's like, what the hell arewe doing? And they can do all
the brock prety Tom Brady bull crapthat they want. Nobody knows which of
these guys rounds four, five,six, and seven are going to become
players. That's all to be determinedlater. You could look at every one
of them and say, hey,that guy could be a Hall of Famer,
but we won't know it until theygo play. And no amount of
hype and no amount of bs,and no amount of reciting the credentials of
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every guy who's ever drafted late andmade it to the Hall of Fame or
not rapped it all and made itthe Hall of Fame, like Johnny Randall,
that that doesn't hold my interest.And I think for most people,
only the most hardcore of hardcore aregoing to care about rounds four, five,
six, and seven. So youknow, that's the day that I
exercise the well, we have astaff here that can handle those issues privilege,
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and I just kind of pay moderateattention to what's happening and less and
less attention as the day goes on. And you're Minnesota Vikings, you know,
obviously don't have any picks on Fridayas of now rounds two and three.
So like say, if they don'tknow, I'm going to be like
Mike Dick and go golf. Andthen if they don't end up with any
picks that night, you know,and they do trade up for a quarterback,
say it's McCarthy, Daniels or maythen you know, my suggestion is
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using the field house at Twin CitiesOrthopedics Performance Center, bringing that new quarterback
in and having like season ticket holdersyou know, come in and stuff like
that. I think that'd be alot of fun if you don't have any
picks, you know what I meanabsolutely. I mean, look, if
this guy's going to become the potentialheir to fran Tarkenton forty some years later,
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part of the goal is market andmarket and I think you know what
this is, like, this iscompletely unrelated to the question, but it
is related look at what women's basketballhas done by seizing upon and taking full
advantage of the star power of CaitlinClark, and I think it's incumbent on
every other sport to recognize when youhave a star, you prop that star
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up and you maximize the attention andyou make that as big of a deal
as it can. Now, ithas to be a star player, has
to be a good player. Butyou know, teams out there in every
sport need to understand the key togetting the most possible people interested in what
we're doing is to sell and selland sell our star talent as aggressively as
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we can. And kudos to NCAAWomen's Basketball in the Iowa program for doing
that. And yeah, if theVikings go all in and trade up and
get a quarterback, it's very smartfor the Vikings to commence immediately the process
of turning that guy into the nextnumber ten. Have a great day,
my brother, and I'll call yousoon. I see Mike Florioprofootballtalk dot Com
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and NBC's Football Night in America.Now, Nachito fans fans of Ben liber
and there are many of you.He generally joins nine to noon on Thursdays,
but we're calling it an audible.This week, Ben Lieber will offer
up some of his opinions around thecorner when nine to Noon continues on KFA
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