ROK TOK! Common Man Hour 2

Common Man Hour 2

--5 Questions
--2 Titles In MN?
--Kyrie > ANT?
--Brian Oake on ROK TOK

Episode Transcript

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For the first time in two decadesyour Timberwolves during the Western Conference Finals.
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We're ball, Twins, We're ball. It's now time to delve deep
into Twins territory. Crack down theTwins offense, after scoring only twelve runs
over their past seven games, putup a ten spot as they shut out

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the Nationals ten nothing last night,breaking that seven game losing streak Byron Buckston
hit two home runs, Jose Mirandaand Willie Castro also went deep, and
Joe Ryan pitched seven shutout in hisgiving up just three hits. Common What
sticks out to you from last night'sTwins win? Just winning? They apparently
did another one of those closed doormeetings. Did they do one earlier this

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year too, when they were reallyI mean, they started the season off
as bad as a team can andthen we talked about it numerous times,
the winning streak and this that theyonce what's seventeen to twenty, got back
into it, then went on thelosing skid. Now they snap it.
I just I don't know how manytimes you can go to the well on
that. Let's do the the closeddoor meetings. How much of that is

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a losing streak and how much ofthat is players blaming coaches the media right
now down to yeah, there's thattoo. So yeah, just a nice
to uh, to score some runs, get a great pitching performance out of
Joe Ryan. I mean, thisis if you talk about bottling things,
If you could bottle this up,this would be a great start. So

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yeah, just and again, Ipeople, I think people get have the
misunderstanding that I'm against home runs.I just think swinging for a home run
every time you're up with the plateis hazardous to your team's health. I
just don't think it works. Idon't think you have enough players in the
team are that good that they canjust knock it over the fence every time
they swing. You're fooling yourself.If you think your guys are that good,
they're not. Look at the record, look at the team, look

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at the averages. They they're notthat good. You start overrating your own
team. So, but they workedyesterday busting with two to other homers four
you score ten. That's great.I mean if if that's the only way
you can score runs, well youbetter start hitting more home runs like you
did last night, then you'll beokay. Otherwise, learning hit to the
opposite field and do this that lad? Did you see somebody sent me?

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This must have been an AI developedthing, right, Uh, somebody showed
me a a shift they put onthe Dodgers put on somebody or was it
the part did you see this video? No, there's there's all nine guys
are between first base and second base. You can't even But it was the

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greatest thing I've ever heard? Wasthat from the olden days? Then?
Was that an old video? Itwas a it was a somebody sent it
to me and I said, thisis IA generated. There's no way this
happened. There were like they werelike eight players, well not eight,
because you got to catch it apicture. They were all lined up between
first and and the hitter hit itto them. He couldn't hit to the
opposite field unless it was Ai General. But anyway, I got off on

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a tangent there. That's what I'dsay about the Twins game. You know,
let's see more of that, Let'ssee Crisp more than Crisp brilliant pitching
performances, and uh and score moreruns like that question number two, and
now it's time to go in paint. The Celtics barely survived Game one last

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night in Boston. They needed JalenBrown's tying three pointer or a six point
one seconds remaining just a sports toovertime, which they did. They rallied
for a one thirty three one twentyeight victory over the Pacers. In that
extra session, Jason Tatum scored thirtysix points, including ten and overtime for
Boston. Common was last night inIndiana meltdown or a Boston miracle? That

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maybe a como platter. You know. The Pacers talk to a friend of
mine who Patty's closer attention to theNBA than I do, and he because
I said to my say, itseems like the East is, they're not
top heavy. There's one really goodteam in that conference, and that's Boston,
and they'll probably and he said,he said, he said. The

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word I would use to describe thePacers is scrappy, not crappy, but
scrappy. And they must have been. I didn't watch any of it,
but they must have been scrappy lastnight because Boston is a quality club and
had them right, right, Yeah, Well that's it. That's it.
You know, that's when you stealone of the garden and all of a
sudden, you know, it's likeagain, I think Boston's talented enough,

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well coached enough. They're pros,right, They're not going to they know
what a pro wants and what aproteins. I don't think they're gonna panic
and lose again, but it certainlywould get their attention and wake them up,
and then it does put them ina spot where you know, what
if you lose again, sort oflike what happened when you know the Wolves
won two in a row in Boston, Denver roared back. But yeah,

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I think you're right. I thinkthat was they had them where they wanted
them, and they as Denny Greenone said we let them off the hook.
Can I give you my opinion onBoston and Indiana even though last night
was the first time all year I'vewatched them play. Yes, would you
please? You're ready for my smallsample sized opinions. The defense I saw
played last night between those two teamsis completely different than the defense you see

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from Minnesota Timberwolves. Right, ifthe Timberwolves can get past Dallas, those
two teams are in for root awakeningbecause they they haven't seen that defensive intensity
that the Timberwolves can provide. Andthe Wolves will be able to score with
ease against both of those teams.So you're saying Minnesota sweeps either the Pacers
or if you get past Dallas.I wouldn't say sweet, but it'll be

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a comfortable series win. Look atyou with your grubby little hockey gloves,
rut. I love that one couldbe. We'll have to wait and see
question number three. Ladies' night.It's time now for a look at the

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ladies. Yeah, there's another teamin town that has a chance in winning
a championship. That would be yourminis. So to PWHL. They beat
Boston three to zero in Game twoof the Walter Cup Finals last night to
even that best of five series atone game each. Why do we call

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it the Walter Cup? Did weknow? I have no idea. I
didn't even know it was called thatuntil I read them in the newspaper.
I knew they were playing for thechampionship. But Nicole Hensley stopped all twenty
shots. She faced a hand Bostontheir first loss of the postseason. Sophie
Jock scored twice. The series nowheads back to Xcel Energy Center Friday night
for Game three. Calm in yourthoughts? Can we get another championship?

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Can we have two championships in thistown? Would we have a dual parade
or would we do separate parades?Here's what I'll tell you. I think
a lot of people doubted that professionalwomen's hockey league here in US, and
now I guess I did too.Did I hear this right when we talked
about them? They've been including fiveto three four a couple of different times
in the past week or so.Did they lose their last five regular season

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games? Last five in the regularseason and they lost their first two in
the postseason? So they were downtwo out to Toronto and won the last
three. Now Toronto's best player gothurt. That helped. You're writing in
an obituary at that point, right, it's over, you're the post more
and they're done. They're they're on. They couldn't score. They look like
the Twins offense the last seven games. For a stretch they could not score.

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Their special teams were bad. Butthen all of a sudden, they've
turned this thing. Offense come around. Even though they lost Game one at
Boston, their offense came around.They scored three goals there. They scored
three last night. I'm about tosay something controversial. That's interesting. They
did this without a montage too,What have you montage? How good could
they they? Without a montage?They're they're one one win away. No,

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it's it's it's a best of fiveseries. But it's tied one one,
okay. So unfortunately Games three andfour at the same time of the
next two Wolves games two. InGames three for the Wolves, they play
Friday night at that at the X. They play Sunday night at the X.
So that's a little bit of adowner. See and if I had
to go to one of those twogames, I'd go to the hockey games
I think there's probably more places tostretch out there, because I know I

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have no offense to the ladies,but I just don't think, Yeah,
they're they're more affordable. They're moreaffordable and you can stretch out. I
don't think you're over at Bullseye.It's wall to wall, your your shoulder
to shoulder with the people next.Every seat has been sold. Thirty five
dollars will get you in to ExcelaneryCenter Friday night. Probably over three hundred
dollars will get into Target Center thirtyfive bucks. And like I said,

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I bet I could find a placein there where I would have a seat
empty. To my left and tomy right, they're playing for a Ship.
Can you play that song again atthe beginning of that play? That
that opening? Okay, I'm gonnadance here. It's time now for a

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looks at the ladies. Well,it's nighties night. I think I might
do it Friday Ladies' night over atthe well this fit? Does that work
for the ladies or is that onlywith the wolves? That sounds like you're
howling now, And that's it fortoday's edition of five Questions, Well,

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actually three questions, but five soundslike more than four by three four brought
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side of the break, and thenBrian Oak returns with some rock talk one
thirty Right, Cheryl, we haveactually call FM one hundred point three the
fan. What do you yeah?You've heard it across these airwaves all the

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Wolves season long, and now youcan wear it. You can Snagger shirt
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gonna be. There was a timewhere I was meat sauce. Before meat
sauce was meat sauce. Do youthink Max is now meat sauce or meat

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sauce has been meat sauce. Maxseems to be popularity, That's what I'm
saying. Much further than that,I think I think Max has taken the
Twin Cities by storm with his doesHOODI who come from somewhere? Do he
make that up on his own Isthat from a movie or a song?
To ask him? I am notsure because I don't know, but I
know it's starting to catch on withme. Now. Do I like it

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as much as what a pro wants, what a pro needs? No,
nothing will supplant that for me,but I do like it. A couple
other things on Deuce's montage, andit be two different ways to look at
it. Here's one of them.He says a common that montage was brilliant
and very well done. But myquestion for you is how did he feel

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pain for college and so far endedup with nothing but a montage? I
think about it. I spent threeyears at Nebraska. You know at the
end on the side of the helmetstands for it Tenneby, what's that knowledge?

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I hadn't thought of it that way. He's working on montages instead of
working on his economics. On thenext episode of making the montage, just
to Tennebee hits his stride, He'sblindsided by the Cohole family's dubious plan to
replace him. That'd be a greatI'd watch that as there the Rockford Files.
That would be a good episode,wouldn't it. You're just hitting your

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stride you're starting to feel real goodabout yourself, then all of a sudden,
there's a dubious plan to stab youin the back of me. Think
about it. I'm the guy,You're the middleman the middle I'm the one
that's praising you on one hand,tell you a great you are, geting
your confidence up, and I'm reallyplotting to stab you in the back.
And how about this that not onlydoes Deuce's montage produce Deuce bumps, think

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about this, tenemy, He's theproduce of the common Van program. I
mean, it all starts fitting in, doesn't it. Look I'm all giddy
about it here, I'm here here, I'm trying to send you to the
unemployment line. But I do thinkthey have a nice spare severance package.
As someone brought up earlier, alot of people are are I think they're

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they're sort of feeling like I thinkyou kind of held back on rippings of
go To saying that Kyrie has aslight edge. Yeah, I don't get
that a lot of people are sayingthis. They're saying nobody would say that
his defense alone. Now, Iget it, But sometimes I wonder,
and we're not always all right?Why most of the time. But see,

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here's what does happen. And youknow, look, I'm not saying
that that Anti. You know,you could say Antis. I'm not arguing
that point because this hasn't just beena flash in the pan. Where oh
where did this come from? Antwas just an average player for the season
and now all of a sudden thepostseason has been really good. He's been
building towards this all season long,right, But I sometimes think we tend

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to overrate some of our players alittle bit. I mean, maybe not
so much overrate, but we startto think, you know, it kind
of goes with that fly over countryand we're always getting disrespected and this,
And then how did anybody dare saythat, Well, Kyries, he's a
he's a surefire Hall of Famer,is he not. He's a pretty talented

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guy with a lot of cunning andguile. I mean, I'm not so
sure I agree was to go toeither, But people acting like it's just
how dare you say? We justfeel insulted if our heroes. If somebody
we felt the same way about Buxton, we feel the same way about Adrian
Peterson when he was in his prime. We felt the same way about Randy

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Moss, any of our guys thatwe think are the best. You know,
that hockey player kid we always talkabout his name is We always you
know, will know ours is thebest, Nobody's better, And sometimes it's
like, well maybe there is,you know, And I don't know if
I'm ready to say. I mean, if I were starting a team today,

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I'd pick ant He's got the worldas his oyster. And he's only
in his what he's twenty two,third year in the league, fourth year
or whatever it is, and youknow, Kyrie's all done. But I
don't know if it's necessarily ant IsAnd maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm underrating that,
Maybe maybe he is head or overratingKyrie of where he is right now

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in his career, because I don'tthink it's far fetched to say that if
you compare the two what they meanto their teams, Kyrie is pretty important
that club, and he's a hellof a player. I think Wolves than
right. I think Kyrie means Dallasright, Okay, that's fine, but
that doesn't necessarily mean that he's gotthe edge there. And I'm not trying
to say I just I like playingDevil's advocate. I just what everybody just
automatically says, Well, that's crazy. I wonder is it really that crazy.

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I don't think it's crazy, butI don't agree with it. Right,
Like, if you want to sayplayoff experience matters, here's a guy
who's won a championship, has beenin the playoffs many times. And you
know, Frankly, if Kyrie Irvingis shooting a ball with thirty seconds to
go in the fourth quarter tonight totake the lead, like I'm going to
be nervous, right, I'm gonnaassume he's gonna make it. Like he's
he's got that clutch gene to him. He can make the big shots when

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they need it the most. Buthe's thirty four years old. Even if
you look at the last series againstOKC, he averaged fifteen point seven points
per game. In that series,he had a couple of nine point efforts.
He's not great defensively, He's notgoing to rebound the ball for you.
So I think Ann has a betterall around game, and Frankly is

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probably a better score, probably amore dynamic score. Kyrie obviously can shoot.
I think Ant can score in multipleways more so than than Kyrie can.
So I don't agree with it.I think it's the better player.
And do you I don't think Idon't think Kyrie is drawing the attention ant
had had to deal with against Denver. Do you like parades? I do
like parades. I think we mightwe might have one here. Yeah,

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and I'm not just talking about Minnesota. P WHL. You think we might
have a parade there too. Well, you were you were pretty excited about
the Skatriots back then, and yougot really excited about the Wolves, and
then it looked like your excitement wasgoing to turn into another tenebee embarrassment.
Up to nothing, lose three ina row, and now you're looking like

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a genius. You're looking like abasketball savant. As they like to say,
sounds it's it's it's hard to imagineafter what we saw against Denver.
You know, the the the gamesix, complete and total domination and then
coming from behind in game seven ofus are defending champs from their floor to

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think that this isn't building towards somethingspecial. But man, remember this is
by the way, isn't people thinkI'm in it? Am a wet blanket.
You had told the wet sprocket I'mCommon the wet blanket. We thought
the same thing with the Bikings inninety eight, So just keep that in
mind. Ye, just keep thatin mind. We'll take a break.

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We'll come back when we do,Brian Oak, we'll join Common for the
first time and quite some time.It's rock Talk. Next, you're on
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com Kubert Calendar thirteen fourteenth past commonMan Paul Ronner. We haven't done this

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in sometime. I'm excited and delightedto welcome Brian Oak into our studio here
at sixteen hundred. You to KabineueSouth, and this is a pleasant surprise.
I thought that you might just beon the telephone. I wasn't sure
you're always welcome here, but Ididn't know. Then Lo and behold,
here you are. It's good tosee you again, my friend. I
don't know if you and by theway, same to you. Thank you
very much. Also, Tanna,thank you. These things are always more

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enjoyable. You know, I doa podcast now for a living. And
what's the name of the podcast again, It's called The Brian Oaks Show.
Just recorded episode four hundred and ninetyfive. We are No. Three ninety
five. We are this close tofour hundred episodes, and it's due doing
well, you know. I meanI still have a home, I still
eat food, I still do thingslike that. But yeah, no,

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coming back in here is interesting becauseyou know, I've wandered these halls like
an old ghost, like a JacobMarley for more than twenty years, right,
and so it's interesting to be back. It's fun to be back.
But I'm not mad about my newlife. Man. I like it.
You are well, You've always liveda good life that's rich and full.
You did it. Your way isfor Sinatra one sings, saying, so,

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I mean again, maybe not exactlyyour way, but about exactly,
but I mean, like, youknow, everyone's got different things, right,
Like I like Corey Cove and Ihave had this conversation before. Money
is his god, money is hisidol, He he is, he is
everything. The New Testament rails againstthat being said. It's just it's never

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been my thing. So I alwaysliked doing this for a living. So
I'm excited because since I no longerworked down the hall from you, which
changed a few months ago, Ihaven't been on the radio proper in three
months, and that's all happened tome once before in the last thirty plus
years. So this is lovely andit's nice to see your face, and
it's nice to see yours as well. Now, should I try to get
you going? No, I'm notgoing to do that. Oh, come

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on, we will eventually. Ihad a couple of topics. I don't
want to come back in here ifyou're not going to try to get me
going. Well, here's the firstone, if you'll remember lest it's that
three ninety four ninety four. Non, So I have another trick, but
I'm not going to talk about iton the air because I can't reveal it
because then everybody else will do thatand then I'll be lost again. Bye.
Is it sixty two when you haveto get off to keep going on

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sixty two instead of thirty five?I've done that one before too. I
can share your way home. Buthere, you know, Rolling Stone,
the legendary magazine. I don't evenremember when it started was in early seventies,
late sixties. I refer to JohnLennon when he was wearing that military
hat, like a World War Onestyle military hat with some mesh on it.
I believe that was the cover ofthe very first one. So I'm

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going late sixties, maybe seventy atthe latest. They a legendary music,
and more than music, they areactually a cover hard news on occasion.
There was time back in the seventiesand eighties where Rolling Stone was as important
a news publication as existed. Theywere to print media in that era what

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the Daily Show was to broadcast mediain the early two thousands. They did
it in a humorous way. Therewere naked ladies around the sides, but
when the artists or the journalists theyhad writing stories, they were a real
news outlet. At one point theyemployed the late gonzo journalist Hunter S.

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Thompson. He was their national affairsdesk editor. Think about it. He
would just go off on it.Brilliant writer. I think you enjoy him
as well as I do. Youwant to talk about a multicolored galaxies of
uppers and downeres, that's where that'swhere the actual phrase comes from, exactly.
I scold that from Hunter S.Thompson, but thiever is a sincere's
form of flattery. But anyway,they would. They always put their list
together, five hundred greatest albums,five hundred greatest songs. This that let

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it was the last time they releasedit. It's almost like they said,
you know how, you got tokeep change at the times they are at
change in well, absolutely, andyou have to keep it modern. And
you also have to take if you'regoing to be an interesting rock journalist,
even in this era where that's allthe dead, you have to take an
attitude of I'm going to pick acouple things that are over here. I'm

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going to pick a couple of thingsthat I know that are cool, right,
even if I don't ever put themon at home. So now that
list you sent me, it's embarrassing, Well, this isn't Apple list.
This is the point I was goingto get to was when Rolling Stone did
their very last one, that's whenthey shifted to all of this. There
was more they eliminated on their topfive hundred songs of all time. They

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eliminated probably half of it. Seemedlike just threw it right out side.
And I'm thinking to myself, Well, how does it go from being like
the one hundred and twenty eighth greatestsong and you're listening now it's no longer
included at all. It's because Ithink they said, if we want to
stay alive and vibrant and make moneyand have subscriptions and people buy it,
we got to start appeeling to ayounger demograph I think, and as not
even to say that the decisions theymade to add some you know, nineties

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and two thousands and twenty tens andsuch and even twenty twenties, right,
I mean, life will continue tochange, culture will continue to evolve,
there is no way around that.But again, then when you know,
and maybe maybe they're they have anaccurate representation, but they also realize,
not unlike the medium that you andI are both exercising right now, people

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age out. I mean, Ihonestly think that's what happened to me.
You age out. And so arethey going to keep telling you that Cream's
Disraeli Gears is the seventy seventh bestalbum of all time. No, because
nobody who's under thirty five or fortyhas any idea what the hell that record
is, even though it's one ofthe great stalwarts, the pillars of psychedelic
rock. Nobody cares about it anymore. So you have to if you're going

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to be a reliable outlet, ifyou are going to continue to be even
vaguely vital in modern culture with RollingStone, Sorry, you already jumped the
shit dark My bad. That beingsaid, you got to give a little,
and they're trying, and I don't. I'm not mad at any of
the things they've drawn attention to.I just I suddenly feel like the common

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man in that I'm like, whoare any of these people? And why
would I care? The Apple iswhen I first saw Apple Music reveals top
ten albums of the all of alltime on their one hundred best list,
and I thought it's going to beit's going to be Taylor Swift this and
this person that, and I thoughtthose aren't great music and all that,
but I didn't think they would includeanything old. I was kind of surprised

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by their top ten. Number tenon their list is Lemonade by what did
they call her? Queen Bee?Is her monikers Queen Bee but also Beyonce.
Yeah No, And again I'm notmad at this choice because Beyonce is
we've talked about before doing Rock Talk. She matters. I mean, she
has been one of the signifiers,one of the signal holders, one of

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the what's the right word, oneof the directors of modern culture, between
both what she writes, how shepresents herself, who she decides to work
with. She matters, and Lemonadeis a record that matters top ten all
time. I'm gonna have to spenda little more time with that record before

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I agree with it. She doesbreak Was that more or just how she
unveiled it and revealed it right?Like when did she kind of put it
out out of nowhere where people weren'texpecting. She had a video for every
song already made, and I feltlike it was more the pr to it
than the actual content of the album. And I think that speaks to what
we're talking about, is the timesare changing, right, Like you have
to take a different approach. Taylorre recording every one of her records Beyonce

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as quietly as possible, which isalmost impossible to believe that happened, making
a video for every one of them, But now with a country record exactly.
I mean, like, so there'severything is going to change, and
there are going to be people whoare like, all right, I'll give
it a listen. But then thereare gonna be people who are like,
nah, this is my music,world, man, I got my music
already. You are correct. Here'snumber eight, number nine on that list.

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Number nine, number nine, nevermind by Nirvana. Now again,
I didn't live the Grande era,the Seattle sound, whatever you want to
call it, but I know thatKurt Cobain and Nirvana are legendary. Do
you whether you think it's ninth bestalbum of all time? Do you think
that you can make an argument forthat? Absolutely I do No. I

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do not think it's the ninth bestalbum of all time. Do I think
it changed the course of American popularmusic. There's not anyone, no matter
what angle you come at from,that they could deny that on a practical
level, On a non emotional level, it changed everything. Now they were
standing on the shoulders of giants.Throughout the eighties, there were all these

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college rock bands that really sort oflike something was bubbling up, but there
wasn't a place for it yet inthe commercial world. And the album,
more than any other, that kickedthe door down to open the nineties up
up to rat rock, synth,industrial, complete grunge, rock, hard
guitars returning to the radio for thefirst time in decades. Never Mind absolutely

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deserves to be hailed as a great, great musical landmark. Butchviig's production,
the quality, I mean again,right place, right time, right,
That's where we find these cultural touchdowns. Here's what Apple wrote about it,
saying almost what you did, justin different words. It says never Mind
that is opening salvo smells like teenSpirit didn't just mark an unlikely breakthrough for

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the Seattle Trio. It up endedpopular culture in ways never before and ever
since. Punk became pop, grungebecame global vernacular, industry walls broken rubble,
and lead vocalist Kurt Cobain was annointedthe reluctant voice of a generation in
need of catharsis all seemingly overnight,and again they had been at it for
years. You know, that's oneof my one of my so I don't
have a lot of pet peeves inthis industry, one of them is like

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overnight sensation. Yeah, well thatsince the kids sat by themselves in a
room their entire teenage life and wrotesongs and did this and that, and
so their impact for a lot ofpeople who'd never heard them was in fact
overnight. But their effort to putinto it and to continue to do what
they did, it was just itwas such a big moment. It was
too heavy for Kurt Cobaine to bear, and we lost them. Number eight

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is an artist that I don't knowa lot about. I know she's a
little she's controversial. I'm a hugefan. Amy Winehouse back to Black from
two thousand and six, Amy AmyAmy. So she had a debut album
called Frank where she was trying tobring back these torch songs and these kind
of like you know, crazy butit had a very modern feel to it.

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It was definitely sexy, It wasdefinitely groovy. She knew what she
was doing and she was working withthe right people. Again, anybody who's
ever made it in this business,Taylor, I pick them. Anybody they've
worked with the right people. Thatdoesn't mean they're not good. But she
she kicked down this door that allof a sudden that stuff was cool again.
I promise you right now, Adelemay have one day gone on to

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find the level of success that shefound, which globally is probably larger than
anybody in the last twenty years.Without Amy Winehouse laying the groundwork she did.
I don't think that happens, atleast not in the way we saw
it unfold. And I'll tell youright now, Back to Black is an
exceptionally good record. It's really evenwithout her legacy, dying young all that
stuff, this is a good record. Being an old boomer, I'm not

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big on the hip hop scene orthe rap scene, but they have Lamar
or Kendrick Lamar, good Kid,Mad City from twenty twelve. My daughter,
who is now twenty five years old, still still gets mad at me
because over ten years ago that recordlost the Grammy for Best hip Hop Album
of the Year. I believe toMaclamore, and you know, my daughter
and I were not mad at Maclamore. But Kendrick Lamar is. He's as

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good at least from my humble opinion. And I don't go as deep as
you know an Tenna Bee does.I don't go as deep as a ton
of people do. But that record, that's as good a hip hop record
as I've heard in the last twentyyears. It's an amazing record. Now
it starts to get more of MyWheelhouse number six from nineteen seventy six,
Stevie Wonders songs in the Key ofLife simply brilliant. I couldn't. I

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mean, is it top ten alltime? I don't know. Is it
an absolutely foundational piece of R andB and soul and seventies sunshine? Yeah?
And again it's like for me Dylanand Springsteen. Not a huge fan,
but I'd never say anything against him. Stevie Wonder though. Stevie Wonder
was like the pinnacle. He reachedeverybody, he broke it through, he

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crossed it over. Of course,it's a great song, a great album.
I don't know if I've heard ofFrank Ocean an album called Blonde from
twenty say, is this them Appletrying too hard? Or was this no?
Now? This record matter? Thisrecord changed a lot of things for
a lot of people. There isa collective out in La a hip hop
collective called Odd Future, and it'smostly weirder, deeper, experimental, forward

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thinking, underground stuff, but theyhad some other sort of adjacent musicians.
Frank Ocean was part of Odd Future. Very early on. Frank Ocean one
of the very first soul, Rand B hip hop whatever artists who was
openly out all right, and sothat was controversial, but he came out
of la He appealed to young kidswho didn't really seem to care very much

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one way or the other. Andhis approach to a down tempo R and
B style it was. It wasreverent to older forms, but it sounded
very very much of the moment.Again, I would not put it in
my top ten, but I understandexactly what I mean. Again, you

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and I talked about it. They'retrying to appeal to the younger end of
the demo without abandoning the past entirely. That Frank Ocean record matters. It's
important local kid makes good. TheLate Prince, the Late Prince in the
Revolution number four, Purple Ray,nineteen eighty four. I'm more of a
nineteen ninety nine guy, but PurpleRain changed everything. I had cousins out

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in Oregon, and so back inthe early to mid eighties, when I
would go out there, they'd belike, you've been inside First Avenue.
I'm like yeah, because they hadseen Purple Rain. They're like, was
Princess bike parked out front? I'mlike no, that wasn't really how it
worked. Over there, but theywould the world, not just the word
the country, but the world becameenamored of Prince. He was for a

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few minutes there the new Michael Jackson, and there's a reason that he was
revered as deeply as he was.Again, not my favorite record of his,
probably not in the top three,but in terms of what he did
and the impact it had on theworld, like never mind, it changed
everything. He fused. There's beena lot of people who were doing new
wave, doing funk, doing thatkind of stuff. He fused those two

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worlds in ways that no one hadever done before and literally changed the American
musical landscape. Number three is thisone's all you Baby? Well, this
is this is my favorite band ofault, the Bettless, the Beatles,
the Beatles, as they say inthe movie it helps. Yeah love that
and I love that. What's interestingis they select abbey Road nineteen sixty nine,

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literally their very last album. Weall know that it was flip flopped,
and when it was reversed, theydid Let It Be shelves that came
out with Abbey Road. Then theytook what was left of the Let It
Be sessions and gave it to thelate phild Spectrum said here, do something
with this mess, and then thatwas released after. I don't even consider
abbey Road for me, much likeyou don't consider nineteen eighty four the best
Prince album. I don't consider abbeyRoad the best Beatles. But here's what

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it does say, Beatles. AbbeyRoad is an ageless, unmatched collection of
songs by a world changing band attheir creative peak, band's eleventh penultimate album
sounds like nothing more or less thanfour extremely gifted humans playing one indelible song
after another in the same room together. Normally, that medley they do at
the end there where they're like,we've got like a half dozen to eight
different song ideas that we never quitefinished, but let's just ram them together.

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Normally, that's the kind of thingthat would tick me off. Correct.
It's perfect, brilliant, it's perfectall the way through, even at
the very end. I have avery good friend and she hates that last
song. What's it called her Majestyor there's a different name for it.
But other than that, that medleyis as good a stretch as I kind

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of like to split Beatles into thethirds. There's the first, fun funky
R and b. Chuck Berry era. Then there's the we're discovering ourselves,
we're changing the face of music era, and then there's the we're so rich
and powerful and on drugs that weliterally can do anything we want era.
Of that last era that that melodythat Medley rather is probably my favorite thing
they did. What was interesting Iwas reading. I sent another story to

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you that we'll talk about later.They've redone Let it Be now, the
original Let It Be, which muchof the footage you've seen now on the
Get Back eight hour a documentary whicheveryone should watch, even if you're like,
you're like mediocre about the Beatles.This it's so informative. I learned
things after listening to them for fiftyyears that I never knew before. Well,

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Let it Be. It was aneighty one minute documentary, and it
was where that's where the new documentary, the eight hour one, sort of
changed how everybody felt how the Beatlesbroke up. It always seemed that first
eighty one minute Let It Be therewas it seems like they just wanted to
collect all the angry, bitter arguments. And it was done black and white,

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and it was dark and it wasgrainy, and it just looked like,
well, these guys don't like eachother. What was interesting is the
person who wrote the story for Variety, because that's now on Netflix right now,
they've re released it's the same.What what the producer guy was,
what's his last name? That did? He did he did the get back
I'm not going to come up withand he did what he lorded the rent

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whatever whatever movie. Peter Jackson,Peter Jackson, who is really Peter Peter
Jackson did Okay build Yeah, PeterJackson was the one that took all of
He was a big Beatles and hetook that fifty seven or fifty eight hours
and came up with the eight hours. He's redone this he was hired to
redo this. And the person thatwrote about for a Variety, I let
the way they said it was.He said, no, this new one
puts a new look on it.It's it's it's bright, it's colorful.

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They showing parts where they were gettingalong. There were still the part with
Harrison and and and and McCartney.You know McCartney talking down to Harrison,
George runs, I'll play whatever youwant to do, whatever you want,
just you know, you know thathe wanted to leave the band. But
what the guy said was, likewhat happened was they started as four guys
together mop tops. You know,they all look the same, talk the

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same. It was almost they werein a gang. Man. They were
four young kids doing the same thing, fighting against the world. But ten
years later they're all growing and they'reall becoming adult man and they have different
ideas and different thoughts and different interests, and so they were just kind of,
you know, breaking apart. Notso much because they didn't like each
other. It's like, this waswe've known each other since we were fifteen

(37:55):
years old. We're going on thirty. Now it's time for me to move
on with my life. None ofthem were out of their twenties when the
Beatles broke up. So anybody who'sever grown up, any of you out
there over thirty, you know youchange in your twenties. Imagine being the
most popular cultural force on the planetand going through your twenties at the same
time, you're going to change radically. Get Back. That was what was
so nourishing for me about Get Backis not only watching the behind the scenes

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stuff, which you and I bothlove a great deal. It was to
see that you know, there weremoments of tension, as you would expect
in any four way marriage of music. At that level, you're trying to
get something together again under unbelievable pressureand nobody really on the same page.
But there were these incredible moments ofwarmth and wonder and it's one of my
favorite things I've ever wanted. Itwas those four guys exactly what you just

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said, very eloquently, what theywent through. They're the only four that
know that. Yeah, those fourare the only ones that ever experienced that,
and they shared it together, travelingtogether, living together. They were
never apart for all those years.So after why you start going like you
say, yeah, I got someother things. I wanted to me get
a little tired of you and alittle tired of this. But they did
come up with an epic album.Care I couldn't agree more. No,
I think again. Is it atop ten album of all time? That's

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up for other people, apparently atApple to decide. Is it a great
landmark album and a fitting farewell toone of the great bands, if not
the greatest band of all time?Yes, Michael Jackson Thriller at number two.
I don't know if we need tosay anything about this. It's the
best selling album of all time worldwide. The thing I always say about Michael
Jackson is, you know, likethink about Canadian bands that are platinum sellers
in Canada, no one's ever heardof him in America, right, Or

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American bands that are huge and theyeven crossover into Europe. They don't go
anywhere else. Michael Jackson was themost known face on the planet, along
with Elvis Presley. Back in theeighties. It didn't matter. You could
have gone to Indonesia, you couldhave gone to mic It didn't matter where
you went. Everybody knew who MichaelJackson was. So whether or not again
personal enjoyment or success, it doesn'tmatter. Thriller will be one of the

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greatest releases of rockets. Lastly,their number one album of all time,
The Miseducation of Larren Hill by LaurenHill Sweatbird. Maybe it was the opening
song in or a bit of it. I found myself that, hey,
that's kind of you know, youknow me and this isn't even really new.
It's nineteen ninety eight, but forme, that's new, right,
you know, it's only twenty sixyears. It's post nineteen seventy one,

(40:15):
So that's new music to me.I didn't mind the sound of it.
I just don't know about the wholealbum. What it's like, is this
apple trying to Everybody's got a differentopinion. What do you think of Lauren
Hill? I know nothing. Ithink this is a cool kids pick.
Now that being said, this isobviously also like I said before about a
couple other records, you know,this is clearly an important record. And
between the fact that she's a woman, a person of color, that she

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brought R and B into a newera and did it with a cool hip
hop vibe. She came out ofthe band the Fujis, who were one
of the coolest of the nineties.This record absolutely matters. I will not
be misquoted on that. It's agood, good record. It says the
number one album of all time.Gee, I can't go there. I

(41:00):
can't my favorite Archie's greatest hits.When you start with Sugar Sugar and then
get in and then you get intoTruck Driver, and then you get into
all the other big hits, it'shard to argue with the with uh,
the Archies, I know, wegot to go but tend to be your
number one album of all time,no apologies, no qualifications, number one
album of all time. I wastrying to think of a funny one like

(41:22):
common I want I want to.I would say Death Rowe's greatest has But
that's an actual record label as atexactly what's an album? Come on?
You know I like Tupac and Biggie. Nothing wrong with that. You to
push all of your chips into onespot on the table. I would also

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say, I know you would laugh. Wow, I no, I don't
want to go with it. You'llyou'll deal destroy it? Why would I
destroy you? I like you?Money more problem? Well, that's on.
That's not Notorious b IG's Life afterDeath. So again, we got
to wrap this up. Best yourfavorite album of all time? Wow,
this is way too hard. Allright, I'm just gonna tell you mine's
the Beatles. Let it be whatyou just said, it was something that's

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my favorite Beatles album. That that'sthat's that's that's my favorite Beetles, ilmost
my favorite album. Let it beof all time? Let it be for
me. It's the Cars Candio Andto a lot of people that listen to
that and they'll be like, that'snew wave rock pop nonsense. I like
I like Candyo, but I liketheir debut album and the best. It's
also a brilliant acity. I toldyou there are a top five personal there

(42:27):
are the answers to any of this. They are a top five band in
my book. I did not watchthe video the last interview the five did
together. However, many years agoit was. I sent it to you,
forwarded to you. It was brilliantto listen to the fact and it
was like Benjamin or was like twomonths before he was gonna die. I
mean, he didn't ask. Yeah, he didn't look good and he didn't
have a lot to add to it. You know, in the part of

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the internet, I look to lookfor it or I'll try to send it.
It's it's really brilliant. It wasgreat to see it was it was
an interesting look. Thanks so much. Good to have you back. And
we'll do rock talk on a regularbasis. Next time we're going to talk
about how AI is going to destroyrock even more than you think. Oh
no, I've got a couple ofgood stories for next time. Let me
ask you this. You say you'rein a podcast, what's the name of
the portscast? Again. It's calledThe Brian Oak Show. And you know

(43:12):
what's great is you can find iton the iHeartRadio network. Go to podcasts,
look for the Brian Oak Show.You'll see that you already have three
hundred and ninety five episodes to listento, and we crank out two more
every single week. I would loveto have people listen. Check out our
Patreon, et cetera, et cetera. Also, it's really nice to be
back in these rooms. Man,its thanks for having me back. Yell

(43:32):
my pleasure to you and all that. We'll take ever break come back.
We'll welcome to the legendary Mark Roseand in nexter On the family