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Speaker 2 (00:24):
I just gotta get out there and swing and ding it. Yeah,
you know, just I guess it's gonna go out there
and try to swing it and ding it.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome inn to swing it and ding it.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Episode two hundred Believe it or not, Episode two hundred Hack.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know how we lasted this long.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I really don't, especially starting in COVID, right.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I mean, I can't believe we got to episode ten.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
March fourth, twenty twenty was the first episode that we
ever did you.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
No, I haven't been present for all two hundred. I'm
claiming them.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. We'll get it.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
We'll get it to a little bit more of that.
But for a big episode two hundred, we had to
have a big guest. We had have a return guest.
We love return guests. I love that because that means
we didn't offend anyone too bad. We didn't say anything
too stupid. We will see if we can we can
do that. But when you think about the world of
golf right now, and you think about the way that
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golf is changing, the way that golf is being covered,
it's awesome to have someone that is at the forefront
of that. With Chad mom executive producer full Swing, they
create a classic that we just saw and founder of
pro Shot, which we're really excited to talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Chad, welcome back to Swing and dig it man, get
to be back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I didn't no idea. It was like a two hundred
episode guest. Oh yeah, those are some big shoes to phill.
Do you remember who you had on you one hundredth episode?
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I have no idea. I can't remember who we had
on last week.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I started to look it up, but then you know,
it got crazy in the house.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I wrote down to.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You. Yeah, we all are well.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Harry came on as a guest May fourteenth, twenty twenty.
Then Harry started full time July fifteenth, twenty twenty. Danielle
started full time with those June eighth, twenty twenty two. Yeah,
and Chad, you were last on July twenty third, twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
So what a legacy over over a year ago.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you know, it's funny when we talked to you,
it was like you were diving into the world of golf, right,
but uh, it was with full swing. And then from
what you saw from that and I saw, I guess
the reaction and the golf world like any of us
would do, You've decided I'm just gonna be involved with
golf moving forward. Talk about I want I want our
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listeners to know a little bit more about your history though,
how you started out in the business, not necessarily on
the golf side, and then what made you just jump
in with both feet.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, for sure. So first off, I'm what I would
call a golf cicco and have been my whole life.
I grew up my dad was a fighter pilot, so
we moved around a lot as a kid. And uh,
and if there's anything that's true a joke about the
Air Force is when they build a new Air Force base,
they put the runway in first, then they build a
golf course, then they build the rest of the base.
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So you know, my and my grandfather also was a pilot.
He played golf and one of the earliest memories I
had as a kid, was like going and visiting my grandfather.
He was like an amateur club builder, and that smell
of like mineral spirits from him regripping you know, his
friend's irons and stuff. That was just like it's like
the foundational memory. And I started playing on a military
basis when I was like six years old, and every
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time we'd move, like, golf was there for me. And
it was like a new town whatever. But I felt
at home in a pro shop. I felt at home
in a driving range, and you know, I played other sports
as a kid too, but golf was you know, alwa
stuck with me and uh. And then I ended up
going to college at University of Georgia, went to New
York right afterwards, and you know, I realized there wasn't
a day that I didn't think about golf in some capacity.
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I'm like the guy in the elevator checking his swing,
you know, even still by the way, like it's never
goes away. But I always knew I wanted to do
something in golf, and I got involved in the media business.
I was one of the sort of first employees at
a media company called Vox Media that Bruce was a
bunch of it was a very modern digital media company,
and again got in there and ran an advertising creative
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agency and ultimately launched our film and TV studio out
in LA which brought me out to California in twenty fifteen,
and you know, made a bunch of television shows all
I would say, building up to Full Swing. And you know,
I've been very lucky. I've got over fifty executive producer
credits on Netflix and HBO and Apple and you know Hulu.
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I've made sort of food shows and true crime shows
and like docs and everything in between. And Full Swing
was the one project that I was like most passionate
about and it took nine years to make happen. And
because I ran the studio, which started out as just
me and an assistant and grew to be, you know,
a thirty forty person shop, like pretty big business for
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the company. Because I was in charge, I got to
leave it on the slate every week we'd have our
development meetings. And my rule was like if there's no
update on a project after call, it like six months,
comes off the slate. And for like three years it'd
be like golf show and then it stays on, you know,
like and I Remember we would talk about it every
single week and everybody just rolled their eyes. But I
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was the boss, so I got to leave it on.
And then in January twenty nineteen, I said, I have
an update, and and you know, fast forward two years
later after that, three years later after that, you know,
the show premiered. It's one of the most watched sports
stocks on Netflix and continues to be, you know, a
huge hit for them. We're we're in the middle of
season three. We just announced officially announced season three, which
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was funny. We did that last week and I got
a lot of people being like, oh, are you going
to start filming now. I'm like, yeah, We've be filming
all year, Like we just announced it. But season three
is going to be a banger and we hope people
love it. And it's been fun to sort of hear
everybody embrace the show and see how it's become part
of the fabric of like how we think about golf.
But on that note, I, you know, I I was decided.
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I was all in. I think, you know, I kind
of felt like I'd been I'd made enough true crime
shows and maybe made my last food show, and just
seeing how interesting the world of golf is how much
I've been obsessed with my whole life. Felt like there
was more to do at golf, and you know, actually
got to give credit to Jay Monahan who like cornered
me at Pebbled Beach two years ago and just said
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like we should be doing more together, and that got
my brain spinning on like what that could be. And
in last May, I told Box I was going to
be leaving start my own company and I was going
to be solely focused on golf. So I founded pro
Shop with one of my oldest friends, Joe Prizicki, who's
a media executive who's good at all the things I'm
bad at, and and we've been on a bit of
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a tear. So we've we've got forty employees. Now we
are making a bunch of big moves, and I just
think golf is so poised to be really meaningful in
pop culture for the next you know, hopefully decade plus.
And I mean, you guys, know, you guys are all
golf nerds too, but like, you know, golf's always had
this you know, persona and impression and kind of who's
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golf for? And I think, like what if anything, Like
we're in an era right now thanks to social media
largely where like golf's kind of going through a cultural renaissance,
and in the same way that I think like hoops
culture became a thing. Like if you think about basketball culture,
the way the NBA leaned in and the kind of
street wear and sneakers and hip hop, it all kind
of like became like this cultural force and it became
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cool to like care about basketball and pay attention. And
I think like golf's doing that now, but honestly in
a in a even more like consumer led way. It's
like you may not even watch golf, but like now
everybody's playing it, everybody's talking about they're thinking about, they're
dressing well, they're they're they're they're buying Malvin stuff, They're
thinking about what shoes they're wearing, they're getting their Jordan
golf shoes. They're playing in their years around their golf trips,
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and and it just felt like the state of kind
of current golf media like was not there was nothing
really built to capitalize on this cultural moment that golf
was having, So I decided to build it.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
That's insane, yeah awesome, and like you said, full swing
going into season three.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
You guys just announced. I want to talk a little
bit about this.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I know when I talk to some of my friends
or just like Network, they're so surprised that the guys
have to pay for their own travel, their own Airbnbs
or hotels, Like they're always like, wait, what they think
It's like the NBA, where you just travel on you know,
the team jet. You get there, you play your tournament,
and you're off to the next spot. So what I'd
like to kind of know from you is like discuss
kind of how the series How Fool Swing has you know,
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affected the golf world, like the increased interest in the
sport and how professional golf is really perceived.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, it's been it's been cool. I think one of
the things that makes the show good is the golfers
are independent in a real way, and that was actually
part of my pitch from the very beginning. I think
part of the reason why the PGA Tour sort of
went with me. I'm not the only I'm not the
first producer whoever had the idea of, like, let's make
hard knocks on the golf course, Like any any LA
producer who plays golf like had that idea. It just
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took me, you know, years to convince PJ. Toy to
like give me the rights to do that exclusively. But
you know, I remember sitting in the meeting with them
and just saying, like, golf is this sort of ultimate meritocracy,
Like you're kind of on your own. There's like stakes
for every single player. And one of the things that
once we got into filming that made it really interesting
is these golfers are really good at talking, you know,
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which surprised me. A lot of pro athletes tend to
go into like talking points. But because one like golf
is generally kind of a social sport, and it's not true.
I mean, not all of them, by the way, but
like there's a lot of good characters in golf. Golf's
are really social sport. You know, these guys have spent
their whole life playing in groups, like whether it's as
a kid with older you know, people like getting used
to playing with them. If you're a good player as
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a kid, you're gonna be playing with old people. That's
just how it is. You know. They they've got a caddy,
they've been in foursomes, they played college golf. You know,
they spend a lot of time talking to CEOs. A
lot of them have like sponsorships, they do appearances, and
it's all kind of on their own terms. Like they
don't have a comms team at this at the team.
You know, it's not like the NFL the NBA where
they you know, you've got all this infrastructure around you.
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I mean most of them just have like an age
where I live, yeah, or live like they're just so
they do it all on their own and so they've
they've you know, they they kind of have like they
really are independent in a way that I think makes
them interesting and they can they can talk about their
life in a way that isn't so planned by someone else.
You know, they make their own schedule, they look at
their own calendar. They they sort of contextualize where they
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are in the game. And then golf is also just
like so brutally quantifiable as tell like how you good
you are? You know, like they all everybody thinks they're
the best, but you know, there's only one number one
player in the world. And the beauty of golf is
you just have to shoot a lower number than the
other guys. It's not like who's the best quarterback in
the NFL it's like, you know, we know who the
best golfer is in the world. You know, we know
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who's the best golfer at the Masters, and the best
golfer who was open. So I found them really fun
and interesting to deal with and to work with. And
and the fact that they, you know, live in this
traveling circus like Golf's and ecosystem that's full of the
same faces and you're kind of in the same It's like,
I think about it as like high school, your senior year,
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you know, like you kind of own the campus now,
you know all the teachers. Everybody kind of knows each other.
You might be rivals, there might be clicks, but like
your seniors, man like you made it, you know. And
there's like that feeling on the GA tour which gives
like the locker room camaraderie, like an interesting little spin
that I think is just different from like team sport.
Team sports that's all been like fractured in a pretty
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big way obviously with with live and everything, but but
it still exists. Like there's a there's a kind of
sceniory feeling to like being out on tour, and I
hopefully that that attitude and that kind of traveling circus
element comes through in the show as well, you know,
because you're just week in week out, you're seeing the
same faces, the same caddies, the same inside jokes, the
same you know, practice rounds, and it comes like this
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little family, which I think has also made it appealing
to non core golf fans because there's just like it's
just more relatable than hopping on your team charter jet
into you know whatever, the next stadium you're playing and
doing your obligated media appearances. Like all these golfers who
say yes to the show are doing it on their own,
no one's making them.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Yeah, it's funny you say that because I said to
a lot of people, I was like, once you're on
like Web or Corn or even like Latin and you're
moving up to the next thing, I'm like, it's basically
like you know, switching schools, like the middle of your
senior year, we're taking you out and more putting you
into a different school. Now it's like go make friends,
feel like you belong and do really well.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
It's you know, it's that same, that same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, and it's different too for like you know guys
who make it like all hundred. Toasty would be a
great example someone who gets that battlefield promotion, great personality,
great characters, very different like Ludvig Oberg, who is like
this superstar, you know who like this is what he
was meant to do his whole life, you know, And
so you've got like that's also different. You know, you
don't have rookies that are just twenty three. You've got
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rookies that are thirty five and have families and have
you know, their categories with them through the whole grind.
It's it's just a very fun universe that tends to
self perpetuate with new talent and uh, you know, and
makes for interesting stories.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hchad, you talk about Toasty being a character one of
the younger guys on the tour. I'm curious about characters
because I think the PGA tour needs more of them.
I thought a lot of the characters left and went
to live. You know, a lot of the bad guys
that were the black hats, so to speak, and we're
kind of cool with that are gone now. So who
would you say, are these these up and coming characters
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outside of who you mentioned there, mister.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Toasty, Listen, I'm all for villains. You know, we need
the villains in the world in general in sport. I think,
you know, what makes sports fun is is hating on
people as much as it is rooting for people. And
you know, golf's interesting because it's always been this gentleman's sport.
But part of my hope and mission of pro Jop
is to like embrace sort of that fun tribalism of
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just being a sports fan in general, and so you know,
we want to do more there. I don't think you
can replace an Ian Poulter or you know, Patrick Reid.
You know, I think that their individual unique character and
you're definitely right that the guys that were predisposed to
kind of take the leap and in some ways take
the big risk of going to live. You know, we're
the guys that don't really care what people think, which
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makes them interesting characters. You know. So I think Brooks
Koepka my sort of perfect example of that, like the
guy who you if you saw Full Swing season one,
like really was wasn't sure if he was ever going
to get back to the level that he was at
and also just doesn't care what you think of him.
And so you know, that's we we need more of
those people in general in any sport. But you know,
I don't know. The beauty of golf is it does
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it does resurrect like there's a new class coming in,
you know. I think if I think about you know,
not to try to give too much away, but like
a guy like Neil Shipley is is a great character
and a great personality that was like not on anybody's
radar screen until April, and you know, is a great
personality that I think is going to go a long
way in the in the world of golf, and but
also just as a personality, you know, and you know,
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and then on the other side, the opposite of a villain,
but somebody like Sahita Gala who as very liable, you know,
get to know him more. It's like there's an authenticity
to his likability that is just like so real, and
you know, it's it is the polar opposite of the
black hat. But like calling a multimillion dollar penalty on
yourself like that you hypothetically and it's like, is just
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I don't know, like what other sport do you get that? So,
you know, I don't know. I think there's a lot
of interesting characters to be found in the world of golf.
I think there's you know, I think that the professional
golf would do well to lean into tribalism a little
bit and and embrace the controversy a little bit more.
And you know, I think it's pro golf is in
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a very interesting state right now in general, but the
wider world of just golf at large just like never
been healthier.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
So, yeah, Chad, how do you handle right when you
now you're in multiple seasons and in the beginning it's
it's a bit of a surprise, right, people don't know
what it is until it comes out, and then the
second season comes in. How do you main that maintain
that integrity of still being kind of a behind the
scenes show and not letting people like think about it
too much and be almost become too scripted. I'm sure
the number of cameras you have has increased drastically, So
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how do you kind of maintain that season after season
of the true essence of what it was when it started?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know, I think it's like it's so you know,
the the risk and fear of going into a new
show the first time is always like, you know, you
can either either it's either kill it or it's gonna bomb,
you know. And I think there's like a comfort in
knowing that, hey, people like to be immersed in this
world a little bit. And our challenge for ourselves, you know,
the producers for season two was like, how do we
raise the stakes? You know, how do we we know
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that people like the family stuff that we like, the
inside the private jets, how do we how do we
like give a sense of like the crazy drama of golf,
and and for us, the Ryder Cup was the perfect
He's in long arc. I mean, one of the piece
of feedback that I got a lot in season one
was like one stop explaining what a cut is, which
fair enough to wet it once. In season two, yeah exactly.
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But but you know we also needed like the challenge
of a show like this is you know, we film
for like, we film like nine hundred hours of original
footage on our like movie cameras, and then we bring
in another like five or six thousand hours of like
all the broadcast feeds and all the audio and legacy archive,
and it's just this massive, massive like media ingestion, and
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you know, and you chase a lot of stories, and
some of them don't pan out, and our biggest problem
is like we'll film, we'll have a great beginning and
a great middle, but we don't have an ending. And
the best example I think of from that was Ricky
Fowler from season one. I mean, he was the first
player to say yes to Full Swing like three years
ago or five years ago, and we had to tell
his team that he wasn't making it into the show
in season one because he didn't have an ending and
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he'd been giving us access all year and it felt
like his game was, you know, not a great place
and it didn't feel like we could get create a
satisfying episode about Ricky Fowler if if he didn't, like
you have an ending. And we said, like, if you
trust us, your game's rounding into form, like you will
have an ending and we'll have a great episode. And
that happened in season two, like you know, he wins
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he almost wins us soap, and he wins it Rocket
Mortgage and like you have this great payoff and so
you know, for us, it's just about like making some
bets on some characters and kind of hoping that the
golf shows up as the payoff. And what made the
Ryder Cup so good was we knew that there was
going to be twelve people who were like absolutely the
happiest day of their life and twelve people who were
just devastated. And it's very rare in golf that you
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can get like guaranteed you're either happy or sad, you know,
like a T eight at a major, like most people
are gonna be like, yeah, I wish I would have won,
but like that's pretty good story out of it. But
winning or losing the Ryder Cup absolutely so for us
to be able to build to that and the access
we had to the captains and the captain's picks, and obviously,
like to Keigan Bradley who told us in the first
interview that he doesn't care everyone's another major. All he
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wants to do is make a Ryder Cup team and
to have it all build to that moment when he
gets the phone call from Zach that he's not on
the team. You know, that's that's one of the few
moments of drama that we actually could have planned for
because we knew that those fold calls were going out
and we didn't know if it was the S or
a no, but we knew it it'll be dramatic either way.
And so you know, for us getting the cameras there
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when we know there's gonna be drama, is the is
the whole trick of the show.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
We chat, I need to ask for more color with
that because that was on my notes, like I needed
to ask you about that episode because there was such
raw emotion and I remember Keegan saying like telling his
wife like get ready, we're getting the call, like the
Netflix crew is coming over. His wife was getting already
like they were excited. He was so sure he was
making that team like take a like were you there
or do you obviously reviewed all that footage? Like give
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us more color to that.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, that was like that was our kind of you
know situation room day because we had we had four
different crews in like three different time zones. I was
sitting actually in a in an Airbnb in Panavidra. That
was while we were finishing our negotiation with the PGA
tourd basically form pro Shop. So like already a stressful day,
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but coordinating like where these cameras need to be. We
had a crew in Dallas with Zach you know, filming
the day before while they were deliberating, and we knew
his phone calls were gonna come after the picks were locked,
and we had a crew in Florida that had to
go to Keegan's house first, and we basically told Zachly,
can you call Keegan first and then call other guys
before you call Ricky because that producer had to go
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from Keegan's house to Ricky's house and it was like
twenty minutes on the road. So you know, we started.
He's like, I'm gonna start with the hard one. We'll
go with Keegan, and our crew was supposed to be
at his house like an hour before, just like idling,
like not knowing that he was there or that they
were there, and we had the wrong address on the
call sheet. So we're like, okay, producer go on in
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like it's about to be the phone call. He knocks
on the door and like a different person who's not
Keiking Bradley or his wife answers the phone or it's
just the door, and the producer calls back he said,
I think I'm at the wrong house. We're like, oh
my god. So I had to call Keegan just personally
on the phone and say like what is your address?
And we were like four houses down like they had
just misprinted. It was like a you know, an eight
instead of seven or something. So I'm like, hey, man,
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our cruise are here, Like they're outside. Can you go
out and let him in? And he was like, oh,
they're here, and immediately got excited because he's like, oh,
this must be and it's a yes. So they roll
in and I mean it's literally like his phone rings
from Zach like as they pull in. We didn't have
time to set up a tripod our peruser just like
kind of sat with the camera sitting there, watched his
heartbreak happen in real time and then literally had to
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be like I'm so sorry, I gotta go, and then
just walked up and left the room and went.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
To Rickey's house, you know, oh wow.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And we're like on the phone, like all right, he's
twenty minutes out, he's ten minutes out, you know, Alison
opens the door, he like runs through with the camera.
Rickey's on the back veranda like waiting, not knowing if
it's yes or no either, and uh and then you know,
gets the y S call. And we also had a
crew that was chasing Justin Thomas that day because he
was like not. He thought there was no way he
was making the team, and so we had heard he
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was gonna be in Jupiter. We found out the day
before that he had actually like went to Nashville to
his Nashville house and we were not invited, but we
found out where his Nashville house was, and we sent
a crew there anyway, just to like be in his
neighborhood and just hope get him. I was like filming
the outside, you know, and he uh, you know, he
was so nervous about it. But then when that call
came through about an hour later, he sent me a
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text and he had like left the house, was walking
with Jill and had her film it, like no matter what.
And you know that's where you get the cell phone
footage of her. Oh wow, in the phone call, you know.
And so everybody, you know, all the golf nerds, who
are you know, like me a golf nerd, but like,
like JT had no idea he was making that team.
I think if you'd ask him, he thought there was
like a one percent chance. I mean, he was so
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confident that he was gonna he wasn't going to get
the NOD. And I think he was truly shocked that
he got the pick. I don't think there's like some
grand conspiracy. I mean, people really don't realize that. Like
Jordan and Justin are on the Ryder Cup committee, they're
actually like they do this as an addition to like
their stuff on the PGA tour boards and things like that.
Like he's they're on the player committee for the Ryder Cup.
So they have meetings all the time just talking about
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the future of the team. It's not like there's you know,
I mean whatever you can how you read those picks
or not, I don't know, but it's not like they
just there was some grand conspiracy there. I mean, but
he was as shocked as anybody that he got the pick.
And obviously Keegan was was devastated. But you know, I
got a call about three months ago from Ceph Wah.
He was like, we're gonna make Kegan the captain and
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and I think a lot of it's because of his
reaction full swing. So it shows if you you know,
Keegan showed who he really was, which was like a
level of integrity and uh and I think there's gonna
be awesome.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Captain's incredible.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Then he made the freaking President's Cup team on his own.
So about a.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Statement, I gotta I gotta go back there because Danielle
admitted that she has notes now Moose and Chad like
this is this is a breakthrough.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Well, I used to do Google docs so I could
just like click over, but we were in person.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Out of the.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Invitations over the babies. The baby's growing, yes.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Almost three months, so I'm like, we're good. So I
literally showed Harry. I was like, look how cute my
book is. And I was like, oh yeah, it has
like a little tiger the Master's jacket, you know. So
I was like, I was like, Harry, I was like,
look episode two hundred.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I was like, I'm writing my notes instead of typing.
So I'm going I'm reverting. I'm going to old school.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
There you go, it's the best way to go.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Chad, Let's go back to sort of the beginning of
because like, whenever somebody starts a company or a project,
they typically have what they might call a mission statement.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I don't know, did you have one of those?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
If so, what was it and has the first two
seasons lived up to it?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah? I mean for Full Swing, the mission was always
to kind of like peel back the curtain on this
kind of crazy traveling circus. We didn't have per se
like a mission statement for Full Swing. I have a
misstatement for a pro Shop, but like, but the best
way I can describe what we were trying to do
with Full Swing was the there's actually a ties to
another story. When we sold it to Netflix, they said, hey,
(24:46):
we we would really love for you to have a
meeting with the Drive Survived team, And there's no pressure
to work with them, but they've just done this. They
were into season two then they'd kind of invented that
like all access all year. I mean, there was obviously
Hard Knocks and a season with and things like that,
but the Box, the Box team from Drive Survivor like
really had like created a little bit of a new
storytelling model, which now you see kind of popping up everywhere.
(25:09):
And so we had a meeting at Sohouse in Los
Angeles and they're two British guys, like one of them James,
who's the you know, one of the principles. He directed Senna,
which is like one of the best sports movies of
all time about Arian and Senna the Racer, and won
an Oscar for Director for producing Amy the Amy Winehouse
doc so and then Paul his partner like created drive
survived with him, like they're they're awesome, but they're not
(25:31):
really golf fans, like Paul only knew, like he was
like a Nick Faldo guy. He's like, I love Nick Fould.
You know, That's about all I got in terms of golf.
And then James could give to golf, you know. But
we sat down and I said, well, why would you
guys want to work on a golf show considering you
don't care about it? And and James basically said the
mission statement right there. He's like, you know what, I've
learned enough about any sport that whatever you think it
(25:53):
looks like on the surface, if you pull the curtain
back a little bit, it looks completely different. And it's
and I think the uh, you know, the like what
we found out with golf is he thought it was
even more important because so many people who are general
sports fans or just fans of shows in general, they
have like not only do they they have a preconceived
notion about golf already that it's stuck up, that it's old,
(26:15):
that it's like for ritual white dudes, and it's country clubs,
and there's no grit to it, and there's no drama
and like and so that so James just said, that
makes me even more excited, because you know, I've been
around this long enough to know that nothing's like what
it seems on the outside, and especially if audiences are
bringing all of this to it, you know, we can
subvert those expectations in the first like two minutes and
(26:36):
and so you know, that's what sold me on them.
And and you know, I guess kind of the rest
is history for that show, because that was kind of
the attitude with everything. Like, you may be coming to
this thinking golf is a certain way, but I promise
you give this show a chance, you're gonna be blown away.
This is completely different.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, let let's talk about pro shap. Let's talk about
the creator classic. Yeah, talk about how that came about,
and then you know how that first experience was. I
mean to me, I mean, you know, guys, fellow golf nerds, right,
the characters that have come out on social media over
the past couple of years have just made golf just
so much more interesting for so many people.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I just wonder how many did you tell people.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Like they weren't allowed to have their own cameras because
like that's all these people do is film their own stuff,
Like how did you wrangle these discrepers?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
They actually did have their own which made it really cool.
And they've been releasing videos like since the Creative Classic,
which has been really fun to see, you know, from
their perspective. So that's a fun one. So we obviously,
you know, we started pro Shop in and officially announced
it in March. I was down at the Players Championship,
you know, as a proud new partner of the PGA
Tour and also making full swing season three, and had
(27:42):
a meeting with the media team there and you know,
basically was like I described to them like a Venn diagram.
I'm like, there is YouTube golf over here, and then
there's you guys over here, and there's no intersection. Like
there are millions of people who watch golf every single
day who don't watch it on a broadcast network, and
to them, the biggest star is like Bubby from Good
(28:03):
Good or you know, Robbie Berger, these guys or Fat
Perez like or Page Barannic not you know, Justin Thomas
and Jordan Speed and you guys, if you're going to
be the league and think about the fans in the future,
like you've got to find a way to bridge that gap.
And and I used the NBA a lot as pro
league that I think does things right. And the NBA
has done a really good job of like sitting at
(28:23):
the intersection of basketball and culture. And that's what I've
that's what I've said. You came back to mission statements,
like the mission of Pro Shop is to be at
the intersection of golf and culture. And this to me
was like you can't ignore this massive explosion of like
YouTube golf and all these great characters and these great personalities,
and there's been And what really opened my eyes was
a month earlier, Good Good did an event during the
(28:44):
Waste Management Tournament in Scottsdale. They have the Desert I
think it was a Good Good Desert Open. Is there
Open or Classic? But Good Good doesn't open. They live
streamed it. It was at night. It was a bunch
of like influencers and I tuned in on YouTube and
there was like eighty thousand people watching, which you know
is huge number for a live show on YouTube. And
in the middle of the week, and so I thought,
I was like, Wow, there's some real power here and uh.
(29:06):
And so I kind of sat with the PGA Tour
and I was like, I have a crazy idea, like
what if we invited all these players and we did
space camp for YouTubers, like make them an astronaut for
a day, Like give them an experience of what it
feels like to compete in a PGA Tour event. That
isn't like on a Monday. It's not the Monday after.
It's like with full crowds. We'll do a full broadcast
(29:27):
and we do it like on the Wednesday of something
like I don't know, the tour champion. And they were like,
they were like, huh, that's a pretty good idea. And
then they said yes, which I was like, how did
they say yes to that? The Tour Championship of all places?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
You know how far in front of that was when.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
You got the like at the players. The whole thing
came together in like four or five months, and you know,
but they saw it from the beginning and they were
already like ahead of getting you know, a little bit
more of an influencer strategy. I mean they've been working
with like barstool and selling merch and doing some stuff,
and so they like they weren't like totally blind to it,
but I think they just needed like a kick to
(30:05):
basically be like, hey, let's not just dip our toes,
but like let's go really big and do something that
only you could do, you know, like provide the kind
of context of something like that. And so this idea
of like space camp for YouTubers became our rallying cry
for like the event, like how do we how do
we just give them as real of an experience as possible?
And then when we first you know, the other thing
that was really important is we really wanted to have
this feel like Switzerland. You know, there's, like anything, there's
(30:28):
little rivalries within YouTube golf, and we wanted to create
an event that everybody would want to be a part
of and not alienate anybody. Like we wanted to invite
the entirety of like the YouTube ecosystem and you know,
and actually put on an event that they would want
to come to. And one of the bigger hurdles that
I think actually full credit to the PGA tour was
like we're going to give them rights to the event,
(30:49):
which the PGA Tour is obviously very protective of his
media rights, right. The deal was a you come and
play this thing. You can bring your cameras, they'll be
allowed inside the ropes. You can use whatever you shoot
that whole day like without getting it taken down or
any approval from the PGA Tour. You can make your
own videos while you're filming. You can use the actual
broadcast footage that we're going to provide to you and
(31:09):
your own videos. We're going to give you highlight rights
to the actual tour championships. If you want to make
a video comparing your shot on the eleventh old to
Rory shot on the eleventh hole, like go for it.
And that was that was awesome of them, because what
it turned into was these like creators like leaned in
and they were like, oh, this is great. And you know,
the event itself like killed it from a live perspective,
(31:31):
It did like crazy numbers and like millions of millions
of people you know, it reached and watched it. And
but the videos that came out afterwards like did even better,
you know, and to see like the good good video afterwards,
or Pages video or Gabby or any of these people
who were like, this is what it was like. Like
Luke Kwan posted a video about what was like winning
The Creator Classic came out like a week and a half later.
It was awesome and it was you know, just each
(31:52):
of them got to put their own spin on the
event and and you know, it was a It could
not have been a better first project for pro Shop
sort of after full Swing, like to create something entirely
new that hopefully would become a franchise and and uh
and to do something that that everybody felt like they
got to win out of. Like the creators loved it,
the tour loved it, the partners loved it. The golf
the tournament loved it. I mean the ticket sales were
(32:13):
way up for that Wednesday, just for the I mean
you could just get in with the practice round badge,
but ticket sales were up for that day. You know,
you could look around that golf course and every you know,
it's a lot younger audience than normally on a Wednesday.
And we got on that first team. I mean it
was like eight deep on the first t box, you know,
and there were real crowds out there the whole time,
and we got you know, we sort of engineered the
format to give us some drama, like we did eight
(32:36):
holes we had to cut, you know, and then we
was like we thought there was gonna be some dramabaut
who makes it in that final four? And then we
did a sudden death playoff, and you know, we knew
Wesley Bryant was playing, so you know, we're like, this
guy's like, you know, top one hundred player, close to
it in the world, Like we got to find some
way to make sure he doesn't run away with it.
So I thought, we you know, we ended up with
like a perfect ending like he of course he won
the strip play thing, makes to the playoff, but loses
(32:59):
to like a clutch ten foot birdie putt like down
the hill, Like that's sick, like you can't. So you're right.
It was actually really thrilling golf, which was great. So
you know, we want to with these kind of things.
I think that are big. You know, how we think
about the creators, like we have to one, we have
to acknowledge them. They're not influencers, their creators. We want
to meet them where they are. We understand their entertainers
(33:19):
and they create content, but we also want good golf.
So we cast people, you know, invite people who were
good players. We had a lot of good golf on display.
We also, like you know, wanted to do something that
that felt fun for their fans too, that like, you know,
they were excited, so their fans were going to be excited.
And and the bet was that you bring all these
people together and it's some of its parts is going
to be enormous. And that was absolutely true. So you know,
(33:41):
we we we hope to do a lot more with
that franchise, and you know, stay tuned.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I guess yeah, I got to.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Ask you another question here taking it back to full swing.
I talked about how, you know, a lot of people
don't understand golf and as a professional and how they
have to pay their own way and things of that nature.
You guys have focused solely basically on PGA Tour and
you know obviously some live players. Is there any plans
to like PGA Tour of America's or the corn Fairy guys,
(34:10):
anything like that, to see the struggle in the grind
to work up to the tour.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, we've we've talked about that a lot. I think
like it's part of the challenges you you are making
a show for Netflix audience, which is just so broad,
and you know, we feel like there's there's enough drama
at the big at the big leagues that you know,
it's not like we have to go searching for drama
the fague. Yeah, and I do. I think there's absolutely
an argument to be made that people who are literally
(34:36):
like grinding for their livelihood is really compelling. But when
you're making a show for a bit.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
And the story is sleeping in the vans and you know,
things of that nature, really, you know, you.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Just the challenge with the Netflix just being so big
and so global's like you kind of need some flash,
Like you need some you know, you need big crowds,
you need big prizes, you need you know, all the
sort of perks that go with like winning as at
the top level of the sport. We've we've done some
stuff in the you know, we've got some more amateur
stuff in this season, which I think will be really
interesting to see. And I've been given that away already
in the conversation earlier, but like that's been really cool
(35:08):
to see kind of like you get that for the
first time in season three, where you see like a
college dorm room that looks like every college dorm room,
and then the next thing you see is you know,
a very special, cool place. It's just like a cool contrast.
And so, you know, I think that the great part
about golf is there's you know, there will be players
that make that battleful promotion to go from Latin America
(35:28):
to the PGA Tour that come into full Swing. I
think Pro Shop is perfectly set up to do storytelling
down at the minor leagues of golf, so to speak.
I'm also really interested in the LPGA. I think the
LPGA is just like full of really cool characters and
great storylines that I thought soul Him Cup this week
was electric.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
You know, Harry would like you to just follow Charlie
fall around.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I mean, you wouldn't love on now what a superstar.
So so you know, for us, it's like it's just
I think it's embarrassment of riches in terms of like
the culture of golf and pro golf and all these
great stories to tell. I think for Full Swing, you know,
we really are focused on kind of like the biggest events,
the biggest players, the biggest stars, and the beauty of
(36:09):
golf is next year there could be a superstar that
does come from like the corn Ferry tour and breaks
out and becomes the next lud big Oldberger. You know,
a Batia another great example. Yeah, oh yeah, you know,
grinded his way. I wish I would have been filmed
with Okha three years ago when he was taking his
shirt off in Bermuda to like go dig out the
golf ball.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
But we're injuring himself doing a fist pump.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's still an awesome story when he does that fist
pump to go and win and they.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Can punch it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Oh yeah, after so we're going college dorm room to
Crow's nest.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Is that what I'm too led to believe? Maybe you
never know places in golf.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I don't know, you know he first.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Twenty twenty five. We're excited to see all that comes
out of Pro Shop. We appreciate you being our guest
for episode two hundred, and there's some Phill golf coming up.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
We have a run.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, we have the truest. It's gonna be a Philly cricket.
So if you happen to find yourself up this way,
please let us know so we could uh maybe get
out and play around.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I am so pumped for Philly cricket. I think that
golf course is so cool. There's so much great golf
in the Philly area and uh and seeing that on
TV is gonna be really cool. And yeah, hopefully we'll
be out there filming.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Awesome, awesome, Thank you, Chad.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
We will talk soon continued success, looking forward to to
all that becomes of of of your ventures here. We're
we're fans and this is exactly what golf needed and
we're excited to see, uh everything that comes out, especially
season three of Full Swing.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But thanks for having you guys.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
All right, let's take a quick break and we will
be right back. All right, welcome back to Swing It
and Ding It. Great Chad mom, I mean, what a
great story, right, the guys like you know, Hollywood producer
basically right, true crime. And then he's just he just
loves the game of golf and Nerd Boom just finds
a lane and and it's he said it too right,
(37:59):
Like he didn't. He wasn't the first person to think
of this kind of thing, but he's the first person
that figured out the formula to get it done.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Yeah, got it green lighted.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean, you know, it's like, how many years did
he spend trying to convince the PGA Tour to do this?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
You know, Yeah, he never gave up on it.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
And just the drama with live and everything else that
just happened right at this time.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Yeah, just awesome to see.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
And then he forms pro Shop and and curious to
see where that goes with all the different projects. Uh,
those guys are always thinking about what to do.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
But uh, I want to thank.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
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Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yes, we did absolutely great day, Danielle.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
We had the I usually whenever the earliest primetime Eagles
game is, I do a little iHeart client golf and
game situation. So we played River Winds because the Legacy
Club was at an outing, and uh, we had a
bunch of clients out there. We had obviously the Comcast guys,
we had guys from Polestar. Polestar Yeah, yeah, Jason from
(39:08):
Yards talking about Philly standard Philly Golf.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
I don't know, sounds like there's some synergy there. Well,
we'll love Yards.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
I wish there was like a week or two in
between so I could have stayed. But coming off three
and a half week trip, we were like.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, our guy from Yards was a little late to arride,
but he was really enjoying himself for the few holes
that we had him out there.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
He was, Yeah, Hey, he played some pretty good golf
in this couple.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Of holes to show us up, play some good golf
and watches the birds.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
We'll talk a little bit about more of our golf
and just how well Harry Mason is driving the golf
all these days, which is absolutely impressive.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
But yeah, how long is Harry keeping his amateur status.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
For the ball?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
But yeah, episode two hundred guys, we talked about some
of the dates that the show did start in twenty
twenty right before, and we've.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Had some We've had some great guests. We've had a
lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I think we talk I love when we just talk
about Philly golf and our golf.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I think the audience loves that more than anything.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
But we'll continue to try to find interesting people in
the world of golf to talk to, whether it's locally
or nationally.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I think for us.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's always going to come back to Philly talking to
the John Ruffs of the world, talking to Harry down
at Us of the world, talking to the Philly golf folks.
But it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Yeah. I want to propose something.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
I used to do this when I was when I
worked at The Orlando Magic, we did mail bag, which
like viewers and listeners could send in a message and
obviously I'd have to go through and kind of screen
them all and then I would ask the team. I'd
ask my co host there at the Orlando Magic the questions.
So I thought it'd be cool. Maybe we introduced like
a mail bag. We can put it out on social
(40:48):
and on Instagram, on x Facebook, whatever and see if
we you know, we're not going to critique Swings, but
we can take some questions and you know, maybe some
topics and talk about it, you know, from episode two
one forward.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Absolutely cool, very cool.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I'm not critiquing Swing, so I mean to do that,
but you know, any way to grow this the reach,
you know what I mean, Like, because there's so many
people out there, I think that really kind of want
want this stuff.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
I really believe that.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's funny hat right, You're a
longtime sports talk radio person, right, very very rarely got
to talk about golf, let's face it, right, and less
than crazy happening with Tiger right back to the Eagles here,
back to exactly. So I hope you know it's a
fun way for us to just stay connected to the
game and talk about the game on a weekly basis.
(41:39):
I think it's made us fall in love with the
game even more. I mean, Danielle is in love with
the game literally and has to be. But for you
and I, Hair, I think it's like it's it's made
me even more connected to the game of golf, to
playing it right, to trying to get better every day.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
I think it's just it's.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
So fun, like Chad said, to be involved in any
way in the game of golf, and this is our
small way of doing it.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
It's a blast. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
And you add in the fantasy stuff that we do periodically.
We have bigger events and then the one and done
pools and stuff, so it's it's it's cool, man, It's like,
you know, it's we're all immersed in this sports, we
really are.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I won't even buy a lottery ticket. I'm so meticulous.
I'm like, ah, the chance.
Speaker 7 (42:18):
Is the probability, and you guys have me in the DraftKings,
you know, fantasy like doing that.
Speaker 6 (42:24):
I'm fulling. I'm like, let's go, let's do this. This
has been so awesome.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
When we asked you to be on the show and
you're like, huh, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
I think Harry texted me and I remember.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Like leaving it was a Wells Fargo where Harry and
I were like in rain, Like Harry was like the
only one that stayed with me, like following during a
torrential downpour.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
I still blame Harry for that trential downpour. But I
get in the car.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You always it was a tpc Ael Farms or whatever
up and they.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Had that different location and I remember getting back back
in the car and we're ready to drive to wherever
the next step is, and.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
I see Harry mays.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
I'm like, what's Harry next to me? I was like okay,
it was like got to be some birds something like that.
I look at it and he's like, hey, you want
to join our podcast. I was like Negadelphia, I told
Brand and I was like.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Nope, not happening. I have zero time. He's like, no,
do it.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
I'm like what, I was like, you have to do it?
Speaker 7 (43:21):
He did, He's like, you have to do this. I
was like, I have no business doing a golf podcast.
And he's like, Harry asked you. You're doing it absolutely,
and within like the fifteen twenty minutes, I'm like, all right, guys,
I'm in and here we are.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
And I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Since when what was the date moves you had of sun? Yeah? Yea, yeah, yeah,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
I'll tell you what episode that was right now because
I have it up here.
Speaker 6 (43:49):
Danielle was I'm claiming all two hundred.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Ninety four, one hundred and six.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, and you've brought to the show the tea talk
to us about the tea with oh.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
Yeah, I mean we got to open it up. It's
I mean, I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
I'm very surprised, maybe you guys are, but Tiger Woods
had another back surgery. The timetable for his return is unclear.
Do we think he's returning at all? Do you think
we're ever going to see the.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Tiger Like, I don't know, but I heard everybody wondering
is he going to be back for the Hero Challenge.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
Seriously, nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
God, I just want to see.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
That was really Zy's like rehab, like yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
That's yeah, oh man, but yeah, so Tiger Wood's another surgery. Yeah,
wild right, there's a little bit of live you know,
PGA tour talk hating back up. I don't even you
know what, I'm being fully transparent when I say like.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
I'm kind of exhausted by it.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
And even though we haven't had talks and like quite
some time, I'm like, I was rating it doing my research.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
I was on X, I was looking through it, and
I'm like, I don't really care. You know.
Speaker 7 (44:59):
I've seen people saying like, hey, if somebody took a
job for higher pay and I stayed here, like what
I want him to pay money back?
Speaker 6 (45:06):
Blase bla, And I'm like, it's just an old story.
Speaker 7 (45:09):
I really don't care until there is firm confirmation of
a merge or something else, like negotiate and let us
know once there's an update.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
You guys feel the same way.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Nobody's given them very much.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I think I think it was rom that they're trying
to get money back from John Ram.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
You think you're getting money back from him.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Well he did just win a cool twenty two mills.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
And a watch or this cool ring. It was a ring.
Oh okay, older ring or something.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
Yeah, well let's talk. Let's talk about lives. So John
Ram won the season ending Live AVE in Chicago, like
I said.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
Twenty two million. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't watch it.
Nobody cares.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
It didn't happen on my TV. Did it really happen?
Speaker 3 (45:52):
It was like, and I'm not anti Live, I just
it doesn't.
Speaker 7 (45:56):
It's like what Chad said when I was asking him, Hey,
are you going to like pay at engine to like
the Latin guys or Jay of Americas or Corn guys,
because like, I feel like there could be some really
great stories there.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
But he's like you so much exactly. But Bubba Watson.
Speaker 7 (46:11):
Is his future with Lived Tour uncertain why poor performance.
He's currently ranked fifty second, which is in the quote
unquote drop zone.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
Yeah zone, they have a drop zone. Hero, I'll break
it down for you too.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Is close to being relegated.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
Oh yeah, I'll break it down for you. The top
twenty four gayers.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
Where what the Asian Tour? Where are they going?
Speaker 6 (46:33):
I think nothing to cut?
Speaker 7 (46:34):
So you have to go back to Q School, So
the top twenty four players in the individual standings earn
full status next season.
Speaker 6 (46:41):
Numbers twenty five through forty eight are.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
In the open zone, which the open zone would be
you become a free agent and you can be traded,
released or re signed, or if you're forty seventh and below,
you're in the drop zone, which.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Would mean you actually have to go a ye, yeah
in Saudi Aralia. But I mean, I guess we could
call it.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
We could call it live Q School, but like you
would have to go back and qualify to try to
be there. And Bubba wattson the captain, I mean, I
don't know if he's getting any special, you know, treatment
because he's a captain, but we could see him being
you know, pushed down off the range coats and going
through Q school and.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
Trying to qualify. But with that, I did have a question.
Speaker 7 (47:24):
I don't know if you guys know that with lifts,
with live Q school is what I'm just calling it.
Speaker 6 (47:29):
I don't know if that's the actual word for it.
Speaker 7 (47:31):
Like, can anybody go and just try to qualify for this,
Like obviously it's public news, so somebody from like the
PGA tour or I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
I don't know if they opened it up to like
an invitation, no idea try out or not.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You have to be invited to come, don't. I don't
know where that stands from.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
Yeah, i'd like to.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
I need to do some more research to see if
it's similar to the PGA tours, where like you know,
you there's levels to qualifying and where you can get
through certain stages.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
I don't know if they have stages or if it's
just just that one.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
But yeah, so Bubba Watson could be uh, you know,
getting the boot.
Speaker 6 (48:02):
We should we will see. Pat Perez is safe.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
He's in forty eighth place, so he was just about
to go to that drop zone, but he.
Speaker 5 (48:10):
Would rather watch Fat Perez play golf. Right, there's about it.
Oh yeah, much more entertaining.
Speaker 6 (48:17):
Yeah, oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 7 (48:18):
But President Cup we didn't really get to talk about
the picks. So there's the auto qualifiers. Scott e Xander,
Colin morecaw Windham can't lay and say heat so Captain's
picks though, Like, no matter what picks are made, I
feel like there's always going to be like glaring emissions
or questionable picks where We're like, wait, why did this
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person get picked or why.
Speaker 6 (48:42):
Was he chosen? Which kind of brings up the name
Max Homa.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Wow, right, he was mathematically like one of the next
six guys.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
He went went straight chalk.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Yet he went straight chalk, which is kind of like
Jim Furick.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
He's kind of boring, like there's nothing, there's nothing outside
the box with Jim Fuick except right his off swing.
Speaker 5 (49:03):
But you know, he's just.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
Like and Harry he had he has a great match
play record, so you know that that's maybe why.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
But the pro Corps too, which is one.
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Yeah, but his last top ten was a wells firreal.
He had a T twenty two at the Memorial. But
other than that he's been pretty low down that leader.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
He did well at the Masters so early in the year.
He looked pretty good in the spring, but his summer
and fall are not good.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Did you see the DraftKings odds for the odds for
the President's Cup? The USA is a minus two seventy
international team plus two sixty.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
Wow, that's a big number, it is. It is a
huge number for a lot of question marks that you have.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
I mean, I guess on both sides, but definitely the
US US side I thought it would be, and then
a tie is is plus fourteen hundred, which is interesting. Yeah,
so we'll see if that moves. We'll see if if
the line tells us anything.
Speaker 7 (49:57):
Well, talking about USA, so the USA team won for
the first time in seven years, led.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
By captain Stacy Lewis. I don't know if you guys
saw like her little daughter running out that special moment
for that. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
But we do got to talk about Rozang Harry total yeah,
oh yeah, made history with a four and zero performance,
becoming the first US player to go undefeated in this
Olheim tournament.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
That's kind of cool.
Speaker 7 (50:26):
Lei la Vou hit a clutch approach shot to win
it for the Americans. I don't know, I didn't watch
too too much of it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
She hit a big thirty footer for birdie on the
seventeenth hole to get to down one going to eighteen,
and then won the eighteenth hole to push the match
and get the half point that.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Pushed him over the line. So she closed hardly.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
One thing, Megan Kang was great, Alison Corpus was really great,
and Charlie Hall is always great.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
But she turfed Nelly a Korda in.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
The six and four and I think she smoked the
half a pack of Did you see that.
Speaker 6 (51:04):
That photo I sent you guys, and the caption was amazing.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
It's like, Charlie Hull quote unquote smokes Nelly corny and
she just has a heater that oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
And the picture of Nelly showing her that image sitting
on the hill and then both laughing, Oh, it's.
Speaker 7 (51:21):
Ye incredible, especially after getting beat and Nellie is still
being cool to be like, yo, check this out. But
also talking about social media moments from this o'heim cup
allis and Lee's like, Cattie was like, hey, you hold it,
you haul out again, I'll give you five bucks. She's like,
I don't need your five hundred dollars. She's like, take
your shirt off. What happens She holds out again and
he takes his shirt off.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
It was hilarious. And then they asked us some of
the European players and they're like, what do you think
of that? Like, is that cool? Is that like not appropriate? Whatever?
Speaker 7 (51:47):
She's like, sex sells, let's do it. Like so that
was kind of funny. I thought that was pretty good.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I'm sure, there were a couple of people that were
offended by it.
Speaker 6 (51:55):
Everyone's offended. It's like, sit down, nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
The you asked had control of this from the jump.
I mean they were up six to two after Friday,
ten to six after Saturday heading into those singles events,
So you know, it's a great a great week for them.
And you know, I didn't get to watch a lot
of it because I was sam you know, football college
and pro and I was involved in a tournament myself
over the weekend, So unfortunately I didn't get a chance
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to watch a lot of it.
Speaker 7 (52:22):
Yeah, I just watched a little bit, and it was
funny because I was watching Brennan's.
Speaker 6 (52:26):
Like is this this year? He's like, you're watching this
long up and I was like, ye, it's just a
little bit.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
But last last piece of tea I have here from
Maguy Ryan at the case of golf one Monday Q.
Speaker 6 (52:39):
Listen to this stack, guys, If you went to.
Speaker 7 (52:41):
Every PGA Tour Monday Q this year and you shot
the following scores in order.
Speaker 6 (52:48):
Sixty eight, we have Vienna making an appearance here. If
you went to every PGA to our Monday qu this
year and shot the following scores in order, sixty eight sixties,
then sixty six, seventy one, and it goes all the
way through sixty eight, sixty eight, sixty seven, sixty eight,
sixty nine, all the way. I mean, bunch of sixties.
Speaker 7 (53:11):
You wouldn't have got into a single event now, one
event if you're shooting almost every single round shooting a
sixty five, sixty six or sixty seven. I pulled that
one from Brad's DMS. Ian Poulter Finch sent that to Brad.
Brad sent it to Jason. It was going all around
the pro community that they're trying to use, and I
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was like, wow, look at the stat that's nuts. These
guys are just so good, so good, so shooting sixty five.
That'll probably roll us right into Harry's weekend, right, Oh.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, right, And are we going to talk about at
all the pro core or are we going to just
totally skip it?
Speaker 4 (53:50):
We are, we are, but you know what, let's take
a quick break and yeah, we'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (53:54):
And talk about that. All right.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
Welcome back to Swing It and Ding It, Harry Partner,
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Speaker 5 (54:10):
You were at you were at one of your favorite
new spots. Talk to us about this this joint. Yeah,
the Penn Club on Second is relatively new.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
It's been open to maybe about a year year and
a half now, and I've been over there for maybe
nine months to a year.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
My wife and I are both members there.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Chris Hansen, our buddy Chris Hansen, kind of got me
over there, and uh, it's just uh, you know, three
simulator bays right in the heart at Contra Hocken track
Man Technology, cool hangout spot you know they got It's
just a it's just a cool place.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
It used to be.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
It looked like it used to be like a place
where you know, you work on cars. Like it has
the big bay window, you know, the pull up doors
and stuff. And they converted this thing into this really
cool space, like you could hold all kinds of parties
their you know, fantasy football drafts. Be an ideal spot
for that. But basically I'm just there for the golf.
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I'm there to get the readings on my wedges, and
it's really you know, improved, you know, my game, I
believe over the last you know, six months, I've done
a lot of work there with with the.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Technology and it's just a great spot.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
You know, there's it's easy to you know, to book
a time on the website that you know, there's always openings.
It's not it's not one of these places that's super crowded.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
You know, you can easily get in there during the day.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
It's open basically from like eight in the morning until
ten at night and you go book an hour, two hours,
whatever you want. And they got all different kinds of
membership plans and uh, I'm just really you know, happy
to be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
And now they wanted.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
To be a part of the podcast, which was really cool,
Like they came to us and said, hey, you know,
we like what you're doing here.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
We want to we want to partner.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
So I'm really excited about you know, the next couple
of months, you know, with the Penn Club on second
being on board here with swing It and ding.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
It, Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
And you know you can play over one hundred and
fifty courses on the simulators from Saint Andrew's.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
Our favorite Teeth of the Dog, Pebble Beach.
Speaker 4 (56:12):
So we thought about what other, what better way than
the course of Course with Harry Mays will now be
presented by the Penn Club on second because they have
a lot of courses there that you can try out
if you're if you can't actually make it that far
away to.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
Play those courses, it's a great way to see it.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Harry, And uh, there's a tournament this weekend that we're
gonna we're gonna see the course of course.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
For Yeah, not on the PGA Tour, but when you
go over the DP World Tour. One of their biggest
events of the year is the BMW PGA Championship and
it's at Wentworth Club in I love saying this.
Speaker 5 (56:42):
Virginia Walter Surrey, UK. Like this Virginia Water. I mean,
how cool is that?
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (56:49):
Ryan always has the pronunciation.
Speaker 5 (56:52):
Yeah it's Lancaster.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, Ryan Fox Defense and uh, you know they got
pretty good field. I mean, mackail was in there, Rosie Lowry,
Adam Scott, Sepstraka Fitzpatrick, Fleetwood, Aaron Raye, Hoyguard Horsell and
Bobby mack are all in the field. So if you
want to watch some of the best players play this weekend,
you're gonna have to watch this in the morning, you
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know on Golf Channel. Wentworth Club par seventy two, not
super long, seventy two and eighty four yards, a classic
Harry Colt design that has been reworked by Ernie Els
over the past decade or so. He's been working there
for many years to sort of tweak this place.
Speaker 5 (57:33):
It's the West course. They got a couple of golf
courses there.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Fantastic facility, but it's got a par five, par five finish,
which I think, especially for television, it sets up for
some great risk reward drama and a lot of leaderboard volatility.
The seventeenth pole six hundred and ten yards, it's the
only hole at Wentworth without a bunker. You got to
favor the right side of this dog leg left off
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the tee. The fairway cants left right. The second shot
is a blind one over the hill. You got to
favor the left side. If you can't get there in two.
You know a lot of these guys can, but if
you can't, you got to favor the left side. And
then then you're left with a short pitch to a
crowned green that slopes to the back left corner. Again
no bunkers. The eighteenth hole is iconic par five, only
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five hundred and forty yards, not super long, but with
a severe dog leg left to right. The long hitters
are gonna aim just right of the two fairway bunkers
out at the corner of the dog leg and going
in two. Getting there in two requires a really solid
mid to long iron shot to a small green that
is guarded by a burn in the front and bunkers
and all in the back. There's three bunkers in the
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back and the green slopes right the left and back
to front. A really cool thick old golf course. You know,
the clubhouse looks like a castle. It's really like a
medieval castle.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
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Speaker 4 (59:22):
Great thing to think about, UH, to continue and be
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when it's windy, when it's raining, or when it's beautiful
and you just want to work on your wed wedge game.
Speaker 1 (59:32):
It's also great in the middle of the summer too,
when it's degrees out and you're like, man, I want
to add some balls, but.
Speaker 6 (59:38):
It's too damn hot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, Danielle dialed in.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
When I tell you fair Way his new name is Fairway,
Harry mays, I mean the guy he's got, he's got more.
He's got more backswing than I've ever seen him have.
I think he's going deep back.
Speaker 5 (59:57):
And he's just striking the ball.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I'm telling you, I told you yesterday, I am really
impressed with the way you're hitting.
Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
The golf ball, man, so I said status or appreciated.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
It really is cool to see it, you know, but
I listen, appreciate it. I posted to tell you and
I have been playing golf for over ten years together,
right at different times. So to see like that progression
and the way you're hitting the ball is so cool.
To see the sound that the ball's making is well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I get, you know, I get a couple of big
lessons from a boy, John Cooper over at Green Valley,
and he's you know, he's tough on me. He's like, listen,
if you want to if you want to hit the
ball farther, you're going to have to do X, Y
and Z and set this back out, you know, set
this plan out in February, and I was like, well,
I got to improve my body. I gotta I got
to get more flexible because I'm I'm not getting.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Younger, and I'm not getting taller, and I'm not getting thinner.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Okay, I'm a short, fat guy that you know, I
found par for success that that program. I I've been
on that for the last six months and that's really
increased my flexibility and my athleticism. I'm in the gym
lifting weights and doing all this crazy stuff, and with
you know, Coop is in my face. Man, he's like,
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you gotta turn. You got to get back there. And
once I realized that I physically could do it, now
it's just a matter of doing it. And when I
do it, I hit the ball farther. And I'm like
you said, I'm finding fair ways. And I had a
great weekend at the nineteen twelve Club and the nineteen
twelve Cup, which was really a big step forward for
me in golf really because It was the first time
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that I really ever competed on my own.
Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Like it wasn't a team thing. It wasn't you know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I didn't have a partner to rely on. If I
had a bad couple of holes. It was all on me.
And it was a two day thing, thirty six holes,
everything in the hole. I had two quads, one on
each day, and rebounded from both of those to finish
in the top five at plus four net. And I
was pretty proud of myself. I gotta be honest with you.
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Jason Lall won it at minus one net. So congratulations
to Jason. Really good guy and a great player. And
we had, you know, a couple other really good good
you know. It was a great tournament, really was, and
it was a good week.
Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
So thank you, said, I had nothing like you know,
signing your own scorecard. I remember the first time I
played in an event.
Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
It was with but.
Speaker 7 (01:02:20):
Teddy got the guy gals at he Man and and
it's like, okay, like you know, there's nobody else responsible
that number, but.
Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
You yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
We got the Fall Classic coming up in a couple
of weeks, but I'll have a partner for that. You know,
but this was all on me, so it was it
was kind of a you know, I didn't know if
I could get through with it.
Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I didn't look at the leader boards until the final
hole on.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
The eighteenth tee of the second day, and I'm like,
oh man, I got a chance to be in a
top five.
Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
And I had the Legacy Club member guests.
Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Yeah, so fun. I mean, they they they outdid themselves
this year. They they it was crazy. I mean just
that staff was just fantastic. Everything about it, from the
gifts for the members, the food, the drinks, everything on
the course, the court.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
The weather was perfect, and uh, you.
Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Know, Greeney couldn't make it, so I had to have
my buddy, Brian dal came in and he uh, he
showed up. Maybe they were calling him the Sandman, the
guy was chipping chipping in from bunkers, driving people crazy.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
He uh he stepped up and played played great. But
I was Greeny out, now like is this guy greenee?
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
No, no, green he's the partner.
Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
But but if Brian's thinking about joining the Legacy Club,
he had so much fun, so I think he's going
to be in it next year with his own guests. Okay,
very good, but he was trying to play so hard
that we won, so I would have had to tell
Greene he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Yeah, well, if you won, Greeni's out. I mean, yeah,
I think that's the way it works.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
I think I think he would accept that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
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I'm hurting man.
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He's the third or second favorite, third favorite.
Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Awesome, well, great episode two hundred.
Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Gotta thank some folks.
Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Gotta thank Mike Powers for stepping in and really upping
our game, making us look good, making us sound good.
Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
Obviously, help them with some sponsors.
Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Our got our guy Kyle Nunnamaker slash who posts every
episode for us from the beginning, who edits it, bleeps
out our curse words and does everything has to do.
The great Sean Brace, program director for Fox Sports, the
Gambler that airs us on Wednesday nights, and uh and
everyone else that's that's helped us make Swing It and
Ding It get to two hundred episodes.
Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
And here's the two hundred more. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I gotta give it a little shout out to a
nineteen twelve club member.
Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Yeah, before we're about this.
Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Adu Angelina Tolentino is a freshman on the Vanderbilt women's
golf team. Okay, she's from South Jersey, but place has
played her golf at the nineteen twelve club for the
last two years. She not only is the number one
player as a true freshman at Vanderbilt, she sunk the
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winning putt on the eighteenth green at Pebble Beach in
her first college tournament. The Carmel Cup was Vanderbilt's first tournament,
and that putt won the team championship. Now, how about
that for the start of your college career. You're not
even in classes yet, it's August and you're a Pebble
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Beach where Moose just was right, and you're sinking a
putt to win the tournament and and get your team
secured for number one. I mean that that's exactly which
you know, you know how much of cost to go
to school there scholarship that's a hundred thousand dollars tuition.
I believe I think they're the first school that's at
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one hundred grand tuition wid Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
That's why.
Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
That's why she already has a Scottie camera. We're working
on her grip. I give her a rattle every day.
I get your grip together, honey. Athletic scholarship come on.
Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
Yeah, well man, that's believable stuff. Yeah, very cool, very cool.
Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
All right, Well, we'll be back with episode two of
one next week and we're heading to the President's Cup.
Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Looking forward to that.
Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Thanks again to Chad, Mum and everyone else.
Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Get out there and swing it and ding it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Have her to listen, swing it and ding it.