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March 15, 2023 56 mins
It is painful, it is tough, and it’s where Ukraine’s future will be determined, says Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky of the brutal fighting in the east of his country. Russians and Ukrainians are essentially locked in a war of attrition, each side rapidly losing troops, something Russia has in much bigger supply. Few actually know the stakes of this fight better than the Baltic states – they are Putin’s neighbors and some of Ukraine’s staunchest backers. In Estonia, Prime Minister Kaja Kallas’s fierce support for Kyiv helped secure her decisive re-election victory last week, and she joins Christiane from Tallinn to sound the alarm against any notion of appeasing Putin.  Also on today's show: Betsey Stevenson, Professor of Public Policy and Economics, Univ. of Michigan & James Jacoby, Director/Correspondent, Frontline’s “Age of Easy Money”; Adam Gopnik, Author, “The Real Work: On the Mystery of Mastery”  To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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