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June 9, 2024 43 mins

The Black Effect Presents... Conversations with Unc!

Lil Duval and special guest, former NBA Player Stephen Jackson (aka 'Stak 5') have a humorous yet insightful discussion about overcoming various life challenges and reflect on the moments that shaped them into who they are today. The conversation takes a more emotional turn as 'Stak 5' opens up about the recent loss of his siblings and the challenges of dealing with grief. They emphasize the importance of living life to the fullest, finding peace amidst difficult times and the importance of having a support system and much more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a little Duval and this is conversations with the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
What Up.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
It's Moore a Little Duval Live and direct on the
Black Bet. I got my man on the motherfucking live
with me. And for those of y'all that don't know,
and for those of that do, you know, my show
is like a therapy for everybody, you know what I'm saying,
because people come to me all the time off offline
and ship, talking to me, giving me their problems and ship,
and they come to me and try to figure out
how to get out of it. So I figured I

share some of this after the world into some of
my partners and ship. And one of my partners right here,
he a legend himself, and he's doing this motherfucking thing
even though you're ugly. But he's a good guy, you
know what I'm saying. He's a great guy. My nigga,
my nigga, Jackson.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Don't start. Don't start that ship.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
But hey, hey, yeah you just got back walking, my nigga,
don't make a nigga clip your hands round.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hey you clip me, You're going to jail because I'm
pressing jun Ain't they with that bullshit? I done got
hurt before and that ship that should ain't nothing to
be bullshit with.

Speaker 2 (01:06):

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Nah, glad, glad, glad to see you back on your
thing doing anything. You know, we missed you out here, nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Hey, man, hey, you know what I I from this excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I got a full appreciation for athletes after this ship,
because especially football players, because like the should I go
the ship like the extent I had, and then I
seeing how people that be in them games, they just
get hurt, like they're jump back in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
They ain't supposed to be doing that this. Nah.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You know, they be taking all kinds of shots. But
you know, you you got a chance to experience that rehab.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, the rehab. But they doing even quicker because man,
they said, man was pointed. But then I see other athletes,
y'all be coming back in like a week or two
less than that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm like, how the fuck is they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:49):

Speaker 2 (01:49):

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Well, it's something you know, like if you play us
for for so long, you work out for so long
as you know, just like you do with with with
with your profession in your space, you great at it
because you work at it for so long. A lot
of those guys' bodies are built so they've been working there,
so when they get injured, it won't take them as.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Long because they're so strong. You ever heard something.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Uh, the only thing I ever brought was uh, my pinky,
and I broke both my feet before I made it
to the lead. But that that's because I was born
with stress fractics. But uh, the only thing I broke
while I was playing with my pinky.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, I was gonna ask you how it was the
healing process.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Nothing nothing serious, bro nothing serious. Thank god, I never
had no serious issuers.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
That's what's up, man.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
That was the tree. That was the what the tree?
The weed? Yeah you think the weed helped you?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, you know it's not you know what I'm tell you, man,
I don't think the weed helped me.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
It helped me for the simier fact that while those
other guys was putting peels and all this stuff in
their system. You know what I'm saying, they were there
was they were, They was depending on that ship where
when they retired, and while they was playing a lot
of niggas came got ammune to the ship that they
was taking. So once they got ammune to it, it was
nothing for them to take so they couldn't play.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
See me the tree all the tree did.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
I didn't take it to play, I tell I took
it to come down so after games I could relax
and sleep and get the proper rest to play again.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know what I'm saying, I ain't have to take
no drugs.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Not the motherfuckers when they retired, they need the drugs
and they ain't got no insurance, nothing to get them.
You know what I'm It's people out here now that
you know that they didn't do it, that they are
like they out of shape and fucked up.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
They body fucked up.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Not because of that, it's a lot of it's more
players that's like that than players that got their life together.

Speaker 2 (03:36):

Speaker 4 (03:36):
It's sad to say, you know what I'm saying, and
not not not to talk down on nobody, but yeah, bro,
it's way more players that's out of there than players
that took care of their business.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Is it because they just couldn't take care of their money?
Just didn't make that the money?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
You know, we all make bad decisions, bro.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I paid a lot of bad decisions with money, and
you know that that that come from not having the
thing you can get it all at one time. Once
you get some money. You know what I'm saying. They
ain't realistic. But I caught myself before it's too late.
A lot of guys don't have a support system. A
lot of guys know how people around them to to
to get to them, to to to put a life
over in the head, to start saving for a randy day.

A lot of guys don't know about that. So I
had a great support system. I made a lot of mistakes,
but I had a great support system. Baby Mama, drama
childs for all kind of shit, But I was. I
still was smart enough, you know what I'm saying, to
to to put something away from myself.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Who gave you?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That? Was it? People you looked up to you? What
you know?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I mean, I would have to say bro that from
seeing my mama struggle so much.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
What I'm saying, growing up, we mama.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I was born in third Wall, Houston, Texas, same hood
George Floyd from Port I moved to Port douxin when
I was five.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes I was. I was.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I was raising for Doutha and just seeing my mama
with two kids and seeing and the man she was
married to steal from and we go without.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
He kicked out, eviction and all this shit to having
to go stay with my grandmother like and to see
her work so hard. You know, my mom was one
of those women who work from six in the evening
to six in the morning. So when we get out
of school, she going to work, you know what I'm saying.
By the time we get up and go to school,
she's just getting home. So the whole time she home,
we had school sports all that. So we all to

see my mom, We see my grandma. So I've seen
him what she sacrificed, bro. And the first thing I
did was I got some money. I built her house
on my grandmother house. So I think seeing them go
without and see how all my grandfather worked to take
care of everybody.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Game, That's all I asked you.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
There had to be a male figure in that too,
So yeah, grandfather, my grandfather.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Name is Jesse Jackson. My name is Steven Jesse Jackson.
Don't laugh my middle name. But yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's hard though, that's hard. Yes, motherfucker Jackson. I'll calling
you that from now on, Jess every time I seen
you say sill, say come.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
On with jack A nigga can't be seeing with you
at no fucking time. I got crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
It works with what you're doing in life. Now, you
see what I'm saying, because ship you here for the
people too. You know what I'm saying. I love probably
more than just But that's a whole other story. But
the same thing with me. I'm my family is real talking,
my grandun's hair talking. So it kind of makes sense.
And how we who we are as a person? Now
I said there they're sis if it's right up there

and statue up there, and and in Pensylvania, my name right.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
There on the stone under all her A family, a
family treat.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
No wow, bro, Yeah, but it all, it all goes
in the place with why who we are.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
As a person? Now? You see what I'm saying. It's why.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It tells you why you have that driving you to
want to do five people?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
My ground, My grandfather raised nine kids. My grandmother never worked,
never drove a car in her life.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
They kept about when we wake up for school, it's
eight grade and kids and there.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Looks like a granddaddy in the face now, bro, telling you,
telling you, Bro, you're supposed to be here for a
long time to take care of the people they woke.
Nah for real, Oh man, it's all making sick. Look
at me, Look a look at this bray in my face. Bro,

I'm telling you I'm manly to be the only dug
I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
We woke this.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I'm just gonna be attractable nigga. You're gonna be a
funny looking old nigga, but it's gonna be roll.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Of a love bad love bad man love bad Ah.
This dude's sick man.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now for real, Man, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, I'm bory shamed, but I'm serious though, Like
it just says how we because like it's when I
found out about then it was like, damn, that's why
give a fuck so much? Because I really because you
know how sometimes you give a fuck to the nigga
you be like, then fuck these niggas, you.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
But then it goes back to like why do I
give a fuck so much? And then when I found
that out, it all started making sense. Then I look
at my grand my granddaddy, how he was so much
in the community and I just watched just fu you
are what you see, you know what I'm saying, a
little shit like that, and just my other granddaddy in
the Bahamas, just watching him with the business. How he
my other grand dad in the Obama. He was like

one of the first black millionaires in the Bahamas. He
had the lump of y'alls and all that shit there.
But then the kids under him was all girls. They
fucked the money up and then we end up voting
so so this but my point is it just shows
me what what got in me, what I got in
stealed to me, and what you got to steal to you.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know what I'm saying that, Nigga.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I remember when the old George Floyd thing happened by
and told me. He was like, Bro, everything that you've
been through in your life was meant was everything he'd
been through in your life built you for this moment.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
And I think about it.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I hate when people call him active is because I'm not.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I'm not real close to it.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I would never put myself in the same category with
Tamika Mallaby or Kimberly Letrees Drawnes. They do this every day,
every week. You know what I'm saying, So that was
my own boy. You know what I'm saying. I'm a
good I'm a lawyer, homeboy. I'm my brother's keeper. So
I'm just a homeboy that rode for his friend. I
would never put myself in the category of those great women.
But what I will say is I just deal with

any homeboy.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Would do. You know what I'm saying, you ride for
your dog.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
And everything I've been through from losing my older brother
when I was sixteen and being five minutes away while
he was getting beat up and shit, all that shit
bothered me to this Day's the same reason why I
ran in the stands were rod. You know what I'm saying,
all that shit. You know what I'm saying, I got
to beat up with my brother. I you know what
I'm saying, So I wouldn't change now.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't feel like that's a fault, though, Lord to
a fault, yeah, because I feel like it's a fault.
Like it too, because I know a lot of people
that I rode for wouldn't ride for me.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Shit, your brothers, like you just said, your brothers and
all them. So you did it for the right people
at the right time. So I mean, and even if
they wouldn't, you do it because who you are as
a person. You know what I'm saying. That's why I
do shit, because if you do stuff thinking people gonna
get it back, you're always gonna be let down.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like if you thought you got over on me, I
don't know how because I didn't even think about it
after that.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
When I do shit, I just do it because I
just want to do it. I don't even look the
shit after that after return, even motive.

Speaker 1 (10:26):

Speaker 2 (10:26):
A lot of people do shit with motives.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Sometimes they do shit with motors because that program to
do that, because we're taught if you do something good
and something gonna come back and return, you hope and
and that's what you're hoping, because so you're doing it,
which is still bad intention, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So if you do it, just just stiff it because
that's who you are as a person.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just what you want to do it. If it come
back cool, If it don't, you don't.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
You ain't even thinking about it, because you ain't blaming
that shit because you ain't even thought about that shit.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You know what I'm saying. Facts, So tell me a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
About what's going on with you, man, and how you
doing in life, man, Because like I said, man, I'm
just here to try to get people to be happy,
like Black Duvau.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know what I'm saying, because life is.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Like for me, Bro, and I wouldn't talk. I wouldn't
say this to you if you were my real partner,
But it's easy to see on me. I'm I'm going
through a lot with losing my little brother, my little sister.
I bury my little sister, my little brother at the
end of the year in October November, back to back months.
M my sister was a year young, sister was a

year younger than me, and my little brother was three
years younger than me. And uh, I'm having a hard
time dealing with that. Bro, I can't lie. You know,
I'd be a man, say I cry every day. I'd
be riding just any moment of the day. You know
what I'm saying, because especially with my little brother, like
I never pictured.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Life without him. You know what I'm saying. We've been
in the same house, under the same roof, under the
same rules, doing.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
The same things. My whole life. You know what I'm saying.
I was that was my best friend. So my brother
got killed when I was sixteen. We got the same dad,
but we was close, but we didn't live together. So
it's still I still feel that pain from him.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know what I'm saying, different pain but being.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Little brother man like, it's a big difference, man, and
I'm having a hard time dealing with that.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's why I stay business, stayed doing shit, but because
I worry about my have you.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Said back by yourself and just chilled somewhere with you
and your old lady somewhere and just like why be
in I lived in the house. I don't know if
you know, I'll be over there behamas I'm killing over there.
And that's why I go to get away from everything
and just be at peace with my own self. It
ain't too much like I'm like a like. I mean
that it's meditating on the grass some ship, which I
could be if I feel give a fuck, But it's

my own peace. You see what I'm saying and what
I do. I always I always see everybody I loved.
I always prepared myself like this person's gonna die, You
see what I'm saying. I always did that since my
first my best friend died like by fifteen years ago,
that because he came out.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
He just died out of nowhere, and I was just
I mean, he got killed.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't. I never thought
he was gonna die.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I thought, of course I was young, I was in
my twenties, but I thought like he was gonna go
to jail for he died, and so that that kind
of that. Then my my first grandma was she died.
That kind of showed me that death is real. So
everybody around me always saying, man, they gonna die, they
gonna die, they gonna die. And then when my man
kool Ay died, the good thing was I ain't gonna

say it's a good thing, but it kind of he
knew it because he had canceled, you get know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So it kind of prepared me.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So that that kind of prepared me to how to
love on a person while they're here so when they
do go. Because I always prepared myself, even my kid,
my daughter, I'm I even programmed myself to God forbid
it happened, but I know it could happen because I've
had people that I know who you gotta think it's
people older than us, people eighty years old, my grandma

Peter seen people die that that. So if they can
handle it and be happy in that piece, we got
to too, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
And it just is, It's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
That's how I look get ship. That's how programm I said,
don't don't get twisted. I cry all the time. I cried,
wake up every morning thinking about Clay. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
That shit just that.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
But I still understand what life is and I understand
what it is. I keep moving, I keep killing. If
I want to cry, I cry and move on. You
know what I'm saying, because it's therapeutic. Because I don't
cry because he don't. I cry because I'm like, damn,
this is my nigga. You see what I'm saying. This
was my now on my niggas, like my oldest brother.
You see what I'm saying. Like he was the brother

that I want my real brother to be. You know
what I'm saying. But yeah, I appreciated him why he
was there too. So with that, with that, it made
me understand how to appreciate that nigga. And when he
left it because he left the day after my I
got off my crush. Then I got my crush and croak.
But it was unexpected. But it was like damn f lifted.

It was like God kept me here. Just seems like
out on my feet, get up out of here, you
know what I'm saying. So that's how that's how I
heed the death, because you ain't got no choice but
the hands of that ship.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, and and and they say, and they say, when
when you more than you miss somebody and you get
to you crying tears.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Tears is just the love, the love you have for them.
You have no where to show us, so the tears
just come out your eyes. You can't give it to
them all, you know. That's all we can show them
love by crying for them. So I get it, man,
And and and I don't mind crying, dog. It's just
that it's just that when you when you build the
barn with somebody, and you don't just set out a friendship.

You know, we and my little brothers set out a
life long like you know what I'm saying, Like we
had a life playing. We didn't just plan uh a
friendship with just being here a couple of years and
just acting like no, that was my best friend.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Like we we built a life plan, so to wake
up for him not to be here and not being
able to shadow.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
You know what I'm saying, the things I worked off on,
the things we talked about that we're gonna be able
to do for our MoMA, for our families.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
And shit like that. Dog, that's shit. It just it
just bothers me.

Speaker 3 (16:15):

Speaker 4 (16:15):
And how they passed too. You know, my sister went
in for a surgery. They fucked the surgery up. They
got to go back in and that's how she passed.
And my little brothers just just hard, just stopped on
the way home.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
So like, we gotta keep going. Man, we don't have
no rules or how we die. You know, we ain't
got no rules. You gotta keep going, bro.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's like, what can you do?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I ain't that about it? You know what I'm saying.
I ain't for that.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I believe in God, so I ain't fa die. I'm
gonna keep on living for other people. That's that's around here.
That what our purpose is. You see what I'm saying, well,
that's how you gotta do it. You gotta do it
for that because our purpose is for other people to
show other people how to live in this ship. Because
like I told you before, we're here for a purpose,
So you gotta We can't a weak nigga, you know

what I'm saying, not at all. You can't be a
weak that it ain't being weak to show your compassion,
to show show your emotions that.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
We niggain't gonna keep pushing. Yeah, yeah, you can't.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
But we can't wallow in it because I see a couple.
I got a couple of partners like they they they
don't even realize they they they they in the wallow
of it.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
And that ship doesn't fuck that ship like a poison
in their brain, and they in the grief for life.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's niggas I got
to be popped instead the fucked up twenty years ain't
got over the ship in.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
The same spot. Yep.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like, and they ain't
fucked up financially, but they fucked up mentally. You know
what I'm saying, Like they can't find piece that I'll
never be that nigga. You know what I'm saying. And
my nigga just died. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know what I'm saying. So so it's it's but
I still can I still understand, Like shit, it is
what it is. He ain't the first one that I can't.
My grandma died, My grandma, just my other grandma just died.

Speaker 1 (17:56):

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I had five people died while I was in the hospital,
back back to back, in this whole year, while this
ship was happening. But I understand what it is. They
gonna keep on ship. It's tomorrow of the store it
but ship, we gotta keep the moving. You gotta keep living.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yep. You got more kids than me, nigga. Yeah, way
more kids than you. Nigga. I got a wife, I
got all kind of shit, But then again, I got it,
still got ship. I want to do. You know what
I'm saying, Like you can do it, nigga. You ain't
gonna do it being the press.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
But exactly exactly, nigga, you ain't gonna do it being
the press.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Nigga live, Nigga.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
They yell, they up there, your brother up there said, nigga.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
You don't get up there and real for us.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm real shit, I'm up.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
There living for you, nigga.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You may get up y'all making moves up here while you.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Damn that nigga do it yep.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Ship, Yeah, we gotta do it, nigga.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yep. I'm happy you got a podcast because we were
real close to doing some epics. Ship. I can't too
much talk about it yet, but this is a great
space for us. It's great you belong in the space.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Hey man, I'm proud of you doing.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I been when you were just trying to five ship
out when you called me over to your house that
time and just talk. You ain't even know the talk,
just like this ship and that I'm just talking, you
know what I'm saying. But look, you figured that ship
out and got it. That motherfucker. You know what I'm saying,
be cause shiit, My people been pushing like Dolly and Charlamne,
let me try to get me do this ship. But
and I ain't exaggerated for at least a decade, But

me and me, I like to do what I do,
like just flow. I'm a free spirit nigga, for real.
You know what I'm saying, Like I don't be needing much,
so I don't bother nobody do my thing and let
me do. If niggas won't be mad at me, they
could be mad at me from social media. I don't
give a fuck, But shit like this did I bean.
I don't be wanting because I don't like to. I
don't like the god damn be locked in the ship.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
But the good thing about it though, you you tapping
into Alaina as a been tapped thing and then again
you tapping into a lane where you have experience.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
See the thing.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The thing about what made us is like we were
able to do two, two and three things that nobody
was able to do. One we came out the gate
with showtime. You know what I'm saying That that calib
pert that put us on another level.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Two that gave you know what I'm saying off the rip.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Two we would have both got experienced and I feel
we're both champions. And when everything we say, we were
our emotions on our sleeves, so we could talk about
damning everything. Both our lives are all in the media,
minor and matts. Three we came in with the cannabis
side of it, so and beeperheaded now to the point
where our show, our show, it's such ahead of the

game because when the pandemic hit, BRO was nobody working.
Even Charlemagne called us tax what templay we was using? Bro,
We was putting out two to three shows a day,
I mean a week, two to.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Three shows, you know what I'm saying. And we took off.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I was watching, Yeah, but we did it at the
same time as all the same time as shout out
worth the game.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
But I say that the same Bro, it's enough space
for all of us and this shit.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Like and that's another thing too, I wasn't it's so
saturated too.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
But like I said, if I'm a do it, I'm
gonna have to do it something where I don't see
other people doing the more like you know what I'm saying,
I'm trying. That's why I'm doing it this way with
just conversation as far as just giving advice outside of
outside of the industry shit.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Everybody talk about industry shit, or they talk about the
history of something that happen back in day, your hip hop,
other the relationship ship and y'all got the sports shits
on lock. So it's like, I'm like, I want to
do something where it ain't nobody doing. So I'm gonna
be off around this bit.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
You know what I'm saying. So that's what it is.
You know what I'm saying. Even though you look older
than me, if I older than you are you look
are you older than me?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm forty five?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh I'm forty six, but you look fifty six.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
So I mean, hey, hey, yeah, yeah, but you right,
what I fix bron No, I just started I just
started looking old.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well, I got this great hit you you you don't
you don't look your age, but you looking a little older, nigga.
That's a good yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Hey, but seven, let me ask you a question of
since we got a couple more minutes, uh, what was
your what was your mindset when you was going through
that to get back on your feet? Because I know
you like I like even with the George brush it.
You know, I missed a lot of money with stepping up, brother.
A lot of people back the way, A lot of
people stopped sucking me because I was doing something that

was bigger than myself. But during your rehab time and
you was trying to get back on your feet when
the person happened, How was your how was your support system?
And I all I was to get back on your
feet and on you miss the money and all that.
You know, you got hot song popping right now, like
all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Well, honestly, that part of it, I wasn't really even
worried about it because I already, thank God, I had
planned it seased beforehand to make sure, like even with
twenty twenty half twenty twenty shit, I was all worked
longer than that, you know what I'm saying. So but
a lot of people, I don't know if you people
probably called you too, but a lot of people I
thought I had my money and he was scrambling in

a motherfucker. But I was scrambling because I had already
prepared myself for worst case scenario in life, you know
what I'm saying. So that part I wasn't tripping off.
But what I did learn through all this situation, like
I had got a lot of love. I ain't realize
how much love like that, you know what I'm saying,
Just in the industry, Like I know I'm gonna get
loved for your mama, your sisters, your like Clay, you know,

all the niggas like that. But I didn't know I
was gonna get like like like love in the industry,
you know what I'm saying, Like motherfuckers like call it
checking up on me and checking on me. I was
like niggas really fucked with the nagg because I never
relied on that type of love, you know what I'm saying.
So with my whole mindset, was it after I after
because I already got my I already got my my tribe.

Like even like the produce of this ship, like Dolly
and all them, she part of my real tribe. So
when ship was all, when I was fucked up, they
was there. And that's the key to everything. Man, if
you gotta try, but that to test who I am
as a person before that, because they would have came
there if I wasn't a genuine good nigga beforehand, you
see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So so I really can't, I really I can't just
put it on this. It was the people around me
that made me. They helped me.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
They helped me with their energy. And I ain't talking
about financially, just energy wise, you know what I'm saying.
So I give my props to shid my tribe. And
of course the them doctors ship them doctors all that
bluish and the nigga they talking about them doctors ain't good.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Them up are good especial in Miami.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Doctor because shot the EJ Yeah to James, that nigga
nigga to work for him. Nigga, I wouldn't have been
been walking right now because my dumb ass was sitting
in the Bahamas. I was in the Bahamas and they
poor ass got their hospital and they had to drugged
me up with fig no and morphine. Man, I was
so fucking hot, nigga. I had to tell the people

I'm all right, I'm good. I don't know, I mean shit,
I'm good like I And they had been I'm in
the Bahamas. So them motherfuckers was praying for me because
my behavior, Artie, they was over there praying. I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna be all I died at
me and then HEJ called me and was like, hey, bro,
you might need to come to America. There's just some
good doctors. Like he was like, man, fly into into

God Damn Miami. I'm gonna get the best doctors and
then first my dumb ass, like shit, I was thinking,
like shit, I'm gonna go to Jacksonville. Ship if i'ma
go somewhere. I know they love me in Jacksonville. But
I was gonna go there. But he was like, nah,
nigg he probably won't come down in Miami. He's like,
these the best doctors and in the country. And so
I just went on head and trust that nigga, and

I flew Goddamn. I got airlifted Miami and the mother
for a spatch buddling their ass up.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, that time you started to rehab.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I started rehabbed till like two three weeks afterwards, when
I was in the hospital for about three weeks. But
soon as I started rehab, shouting and rehab doctor in
Atlantic ship I don't forgot her name, ship, but it's
Emery Emory over there in Atlanta hawks rehire. I had
a good rehab man, so she shouted them too. So

all that ship man, he helped me out, even that
little you know, that that earthy ship that they be
talking about on the ground in and and god damn,
I forgot the ship where they with what you did,
Dolly ship, That ship I forgot. But yeah, Raki, Yeah,

all that ship work, nigger, but that ship can't be back.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You ever thought about doing the Ahuasta?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I thought about it, But I'm gonna crop with you
that ship with my girl Dad Dad Brown. But I
want to do it like like I've been, Nigga. I've
been fucked up about this ship in a year. So
I'm just getting back on my feet, moving and group,
getting back in the swing of things. So I ain't
been able to just like Ben like how I was
telling you just I do still those bahamas at my
house and chill, but I ain't been able to like
take like a month off of goddamn do drugs.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah you did it yet, Nah, I'm I'm I'm i'mnna
eventually get to it. I start Michael Dults and the Strongs.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, I've been doing I've been doing strong but I
ain't get the strong since my accident. But ship since
my accident, ships ain't got popping now. But nigga, Joe
Rogan put me on that d M T ship. But
I've been scared, Nigga.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I ain't. Yeah, I ain't doing none of that.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
That's just sitting in my drawing right now. I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I'll be uh look up my own boy Luca for
that on Gumbo.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Him and his wife just did all Washington. He called
me every day and you know what I'm saying. I
was thinking this all other ship.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
But now nigga like nine nigga like me and win
and came back with it's clear mind and the same nigga.
I'm like, okay, yeah, I do it. Shit.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I mean, I'm glad niggas started get up. I'm glad
niggas on the shrew nothing that ship way he better
when he was on Who got there? I on them,
got damn peels and ship and got them.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Motherfucker. I that was. That was in high school for me.
That was a long time ago. Man. My pill run
was probably a good two months. My pill run was
while I was healing.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
And I see, like, I ain't gonna front nigga like
I never really did like drugs, drugs real. I just
started smoking weed when I was about forty and then
I started doing shrolls about three three four years ago.
But outside that, I never did drugs, like like real drugs.
I ain't never do them.

Speaker 1 (28:50):

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Still this accident and like that, I ain't gonna front
the first time they shot me over the drugs. It
was at that moment I understood why niggas did drugs.
I understood why they do this. Like it was like, oh,
this is why they do heroin. Okay, I get it.
Then this ship, that ship is ain't no drugs better
than the hospital of drugs.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
You hear me, dog?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
So so so think about this so no you so
now you know I odeed if served twice before I
graduated high school. Let me tell you why that is
the heroin they put you on. That is what heron.
That's manically what it is. It's liquid heron. We used
to drink two pints of that ship a day.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Now you see why nigga, nigga, nigga dog let me
tell you dog niggas. So one night right, I'm trying
to because because like I never did drugs. So I
talked about Jay Skim apart the jays Kith and can
do all the drugs like in a drug outs there
this you can do all the drugs.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
So I called him a.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Junkie bitch all the time. So so with the accident happened, nigga,
I'm they shoot me up with all this ship, right,
so I'm so high, like and I know I got
a high tolerance. So that's why I never did drugs too,
because my my daddy did cracking hair run so he
can handle that ship. So I always knew, like, I
ain't gonn front. I always want to do cocaine too,

because that shit looked fun.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I was like, we gotta we gotta dig the personality.
Don't do it, don't do it. Yeah, that's why I
never did it.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
So so fast forward, I get an accident, nigga, they
shoot me all this drugs. I'm taking all this ship.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I'm so high. That's what I got on Live, nigga.
I was on Live on getting getting my knees realed
then and surgery, uh, shooting it up. And so Jayson
fuck with me looking at his jacket. Bitch, this jackie ass, bitch,
he fucking me calling me all these Jackie fits and
this that whatever. So now I can't be a Jackie

in front of this nigga, man. So I'm trying not
to be a Jackie. So I'm in the hospital, the
nurse coming there, you know, the nurse coming there too,
and and seven and then at one o'clock, nigga. So
the nurse come in there. I'm just lapping on the
phone with this that. She like, I'm coming with your medicine.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I was like, I don't need it. I said, I
don't need it. I don't need that, ship said. She
was like, you sure, now, mind you If you don't
take it at this time, you ain't getting it.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
You ain't getting it until five in the morning. I said,
I don't need it. So he's like, all Nigga, I said,
I don't need it.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Bruh. When I tell you, that was the longest night
of my motherfucking life, Nigga. It was so long, nigga.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
It was so long when that lady came at five
in the morning. Nigga, I found a bang in my toe, Nigga. Nigga,
I found a bang in my tooth. I said, nigga,
shoot me up right now, nigga.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I was.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I was like Cooky on New Jack City.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Nigga. I couldn't do it back. But the more story is,
I get through.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I get it that you get it out, you get it.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I fully understand. I understand.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Crack, nigga. Crack gotta be the best drug in the world.
To make you you fuck about nothing like that. Gotta
be some ship.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Dog, I had my My bottom desk is completely gone,
so I had to take a shot like a twenty
twelve or something like that, just to continue to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
They shot this long ass needle dog at the top
of my spine. Dog, bro whatever they whatever that EPDOR
ship is. I can see why women can have babies
on that ship. Dog. I didn't feel ship for six years.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
But when that ship well off, Hey, when that ship
well off, my niggas, Oh my god, that hey, that ship.
I think when they give you an EPI door, they
shooting sciatica pain in your consture that ship while you
get ssiatica the hey, god.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Hey, nigga, ain't no drugs in the hospital.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Girls, They are the truth, like them motherfuckers keep your
life as long as they won't it mean that ship
just file ship. Let me ask you something, Stack, Yeah,
what you think the moment was the nat who he
is today?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Mate? The moments that made me who I am today? Oh?
Good question.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Uh maybe that's the two question, Like, yeah, I got
I got two answers to that. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I would say the moment that made me the basketball
player I am today. Was when I was from five
to seven, somewhere around the age, and I went played
in the YMCA game. The final score was forty two
to forty. We won, and I had forty out forty

two points. I think, I think that's when my mom
you were from from like five six years.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Old, six years old, you had boys nigga and all we.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Had was forty two my own my homeboy Charlie and
my homeboy Perry.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Daddy had a team and uh, and they I was
just I was you know, I was just nice that young.
I was tall, and I wasn't scared of shit. So yeah,
that's but that day the coach everybody start treating me different.
My family start forcing me to be everything in basketball.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So you were aware of who you was they're seven
years old.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I was aware that I was good in basketball.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, okay in basketball, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, I was. I was aware that I was different
from everybody else in basketball. Okay. Uh. The moment when
I I think another moment was when the George Floyd thing.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
I think that was probably the one of the biggest
moments in my life because I was able to do
something that most people of my statue that most people
that have what I have to lose wouldn't do. I
was able to show how my Mama raised me and
show my foundation of who I am as a man
and what I believe in to the world. Besides being
judged from the brawl to shootout, strip club and all

the other things the mistakes I made, the world get
to see that I'm a stand up guy, and that
I'm a I am my brother's keeper, and that I
stand for all races, you know, love for all who
I have, Love for all something I post on my
page with every color emoji, and.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
People get to see in real time who I was.
So and I was able to do something great.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know, I didn't change the world, but shit, that
was the biggest protests and the civil rights history eighteen country,
fifty states all at one time.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I'm just happy I was able to show who
I am going to be a part of. That same
question to you me as.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
The person I think like at first, you know, when
you first come up, You're like, I want to be
the best comedian in the world. I want to be
the best, the funniest nigg in the game. But the
older I got, the more I still life. To me,
that's the easy part. I want to be the best
man in the world, the best human in the world,

you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's my girl.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I want to be the number one human on earth.
I want to leave here with everybody, got a little
bit of a little douvall with them, you know what
I'm saying. And that's in a good way, you know
what I'm saying. And whichever way that I because everything
I try to do, I try, I get less out
of it than most people. You know what I'm saying,
I don't get more out of it. So that's what

I pride myself on on moving for other people, because
it ain't much. I mean shit from where we come from.
The shit that we see and do now, we way
over what we're supposed to be getting, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like I really can't. There's nothing
I can't even think of that I could won't that

I ain't had already. And if I had it, only
thing I could get more is more of it, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like I'm complete. I
get satisfaction out of seeing the changes I've made, you
know what I'm saying, seeing and I always got satisfaction
out of seeing like the effect I have on people,
Like even if the summer is making people the world

say basic, you know what I'm saying, and the way
that I say in basic, bitch, or just to seeing
people just smile, bitch, just seeing people living my best life,
but just seeing just little shit like they're just seeing
the mold I have on the culture in a good way,
you know what I'm saying, So shit like that even
if they don't, I don't get even if I don't
get crops for it. If I could see that I

made the difference seeing the shade, I still feel good
in it.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I'm just like seeing your JITs, seeing them doing their thing,
and you see yourself in them, and you see the
good in them, even if they don't see it, because
now that I'm saying, they ain't gonna they they they
just like our parents thought we was ungrateful, and she like,
that's how you know you want when they when they
are ungrateful, you know what I'm saying. So when I
see them and I get satisfaction out of seeing it
in them, even if they don't get it because if

you're looking for them to get it to you, you
gonna always be let down, you know what I'm saying
if they give it to you as a bonus. And
that's how I looked at everybody like that. I think
that's why even when this actially happened, I guess that
was God giving me my nigga. They do love you
because I never relied on it, you get you know
what I'm saying. I always ship. Always thought like, man,
niggas don't give a fuck, they gonna you gonna be

that nigga that did all this ship and there ain't
nobody gonna give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Somebody might yet all so I programmed myself to not
give a fuck about it.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
But when this shit happened, it showed me that I
did need that love too, because she when.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
It happened, I was like, damn this shit. Do they
do love a nigga? And it gave me that.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
So I guess that's what makes me who I am
and that's where I see myself and that's what I
want to be seen as when when I go and
then if they don't see me, I gotta be cool
with it, like this because it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Of people that got some great shit that nobody give
a fuck about it. Nobody remember, right.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
And then you know they say the highest acting, this
is in the Bible or whatever, Qur'an, whatever religion where
the highest act is doing something that don't be doing
something for somebody that don't benefit you, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's a lot about a person, And.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
It's cool to do it when we are on our
love it because I can't knock pick them that's fucked up,
are still trying to come up. But once you get
to a situation a place where you don't wan't for nothing,
like you don't have to do certain shit, you can
just do it, you know what I'm saying, it makes
a lot easier. Like there's no reason behind, like if
I did some fun shit, like there's no reason behind

like that.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know what I'm saying. You can't blame nobody. So
it's way easier for us, man. So we just live
and just and just do our thing.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
And man, don't don't let the the guilt and whatever
it ends with you with and anything that passed them life.
Don't let that tear you down, man, because we're gonna
be here, man, We're gonna have fun. They every soul
shall taste death. You know what I'm saying. I learned
that from Jay Ski here Muslim so and I understand
that we all won't see this ship. But until we

see it, they leave this ship to my heart. Stuff
live a fuck who I want to fuck and ball
to see im. I'm a little nigga, so I'm gonna
live a long fast. You tall, So I ain't no
telling man, ain't no telling what you boy? You know
tall nigga, it's only one y'alla living long.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And that's Kareem. You know what I'm saying. You know
he's very He's a different type of nigga. Yeah, they say, Uh,
I'm a stand up nigga. That's why God made me tall.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, yeah, you know I ain't got to do what
you Living a long though, nigga. Nigga, I'm nigga. I'm
I'm like an age Asians live to a hundred and seven.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
They woke.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
But see, that's why you want to be cool with me,
Steve stee Hey, Hey, you want to be cool with
a nigga like me, because I'm gonna be here to
tell your story.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Bro. I'm a I'm a little nigga.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
So you need to look look at look at Star Wars,
a little hobby, little nigga, dude them nigga live nigga.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Hey, hey, you don't remember that tall dragon lady and
go to child. She was a hundred seven years old nigga.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Man, that wasn't that was a fictional. That was fictional.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Hey, you sellouettes kicking You gotta be you gotta.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Bell to know that though. You gotta have great hair
on your cheering to know that. Yeah, man, I appreciate
you man coming on and bival with your boy. Man,
Thank you man. This is your boy, this boy little
duve ball and thank my man Steve and Jackson Man
y'all go tuning into his ship too, man and and
ship man, thank y'all for coming in.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
How should out here this ship?

Speaker 2 (41:26):

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Hey bro, hey bro, uh, I gotta get you. I
gotta return the favor and get you on our show.
But hey, donny, donny, let me let me let me
show him how I've been in this space for a
little while. So let me give him a little avice.
This how you this, how you do ship in the
show right here. Well, I appreciate y'all tuning in the
duball such and such a title. Appreciate my man Steve

Jack for uh for toning in. You can catch my
show at such and such such and such. I've tuned
in while I dropped this episode such such such as.
I appreciate y'all toing in next week.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Does I got you? I got you? It's broke.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
It's all right man. Well, I ain't gonna hold you
up man, Like I said, Man, I won't be on
here too long with you. Man, I just thank you
for coming in and vibing with you.

Speaker 2 (42:15):

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Hopefully you got some game from it, and I appreciate
you game you gave me. You know, Iron Shop and
Iron You know what I'm saying. This show is about, man,
So I got to tell you, like I said, thank
y'all for tuning in to show you know Little Duval
aka you tune in on the Black Effect.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We here every week. It's your boy, signed out, rich
broke for life. Thanks for listen to another episode of
conversation with me, Little Duval.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
We got this bitch.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
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