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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that hands up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's d J Envy.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building, legend. That's right, just
got his star on a Hollywood Walker fan. Ladies and gentlemen,
Charlie Wilson, how are.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You, black man?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I'm good man, Yes, sir, I'm blessed black and Holly favorite.
Congrats on the Hollywood Walker fan.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
What did that mean to you?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
It was basically a miracle for me because, uh, not
far from where I got the star, uh maybe a block,
So that's why I was homeless. So it's like a
miracle full circle.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
It's like, wow, it looked different down there because things
has changed so many years ago. But and then when
we went to park to wait for them to get rid,
for them for me to be ready, for them to
be ready for me to come, I was like, oh wow,
we're just riding around the corner from the total experience
where it used to be. And so I was like, wow, okay,
(01:07):
so that's why I slept around the corner there. So
but anyway, it's it was. It was a miracle. That's
basically what I got to say.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
That's a man, very emotional day that day.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Then, yeah, man, it was everybody came. Everybody that I've
sang with, they were all there. The lady who had
was on the commission of the Walk of Fame, uh
Anna Martinee Martinez. She's like, I've never seen this many stars,
never ever seen this many stars show up for a
(01:39):
guy that's getting a star.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I said, well, I showed up.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
For them, Yeah, to slang with them, So they showed
up for me.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That was a really cool thing. Everybody was there, you know, Yay.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Snoop, Uh, Don Tolliver Tyler, the Creer uh Tied.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Donad Sign, Uh, Jimmy, Jeanme Terry. Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
It was just so many h only somebody that can
get a chance to make it was uh for real
and and and.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Uh Farrell was in Paris. I guess it's fashion show
a Uh what's the kids name Cruz Metro Yeah, uh hm.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
And and the guy took me on the on tour
with him who he was flying in. He got the
message late and he said, wow, man, I'm sorry he
got in. He had to get to Vegas because you
know he got his residence, but everybody else was there. Man,
(03:05):
it was It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Do you have memories when you was homeless, like walking
down that ward and looking at those stars?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, Well, the first time I saw the stars was.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Before all of the hoop of art and craziness.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Uh. I was was my first the Gap bands first album.
We was.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I flew in to uh mix it at the record
plant and uh the single and the and the album
and of course, uh Stevie Wonder was running late getting
out of there. He was still in there mixing. Anyway
that I got. That was my first time meeting him,
and and uh we went to the piano. He sang,
(03:49):
we sang together, and that was the first time I
ever had met him.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So and you know he was late come on to
the piano.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Man, how would STEVEE know? He late? Man, somebody.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
He don't use no time. He just don't use time,
you know, but he just do his thing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
But anyway, we just went out there and had some
fun together and uh and uh. But when I was leaving,
I remember looking down before I got there, I remember
looking down at the at the stars. I was like, wow,
because I was in front of the Chinese theater and uh,
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and I was putting my hands and like that in
the front of in the hands and footprints and stuff
like that. Then I walked and seen the stars. I
was like, Wow, maybe one of the day, maybe I
can get one of these. And somebody lady was saying,
that's not impossible. I was like, yeah, but it's me.
I ain't I was. We didn't have no record, I
was nobody. It's just like and she said it's not impossible.
(04:56):
I said, I didn't say it was impossible. I'm just
talking about me getting one out. I don't have a
record out or nothing yet. She's like, I said, I'm
talking about me. She said, I'm talking about you. It
just went through that whole little thing for a while,
and I was like, Wow, would it be cool if
I could get one of these?
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Now you got yeah, do you feel like it took
longe a beautiful thing for me that day?
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Do you feel like that and a lot of stars.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
Do you feel like it takes you know, a long
it takes so long for some people, certain people to
get it.
Speaker 9 (05:30):
Do you feel like it took.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Oh, yeah, everything that happen. If it took a long time,
they got thumbs everybody had.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But it's all good. Yeah, you know, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm blessed, and and and and and those who
really thought they had a thumb on me or whatever
hit on my head or whatever. Most of them died out.
And the ones that everybody kept me away from because
they thought I was a disease or I was bad
for the person. They all died from drugs. Okay, yeah,
(06:05):
and I'm still alive and well amen, thirty years later,
still sober.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Come on that now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
For most people that don't know, how did you get
out from being homeless to back to where you needed
to be? I mean, I read the story that you
said a lot of your brothers and sisters that were
homeless with you would protect you. They would make sure
that they would hide you and get you the food.
They said you almost like Dracula. You almost came out
in the night.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Oh yeah, I had to because I didn't want to
about to see me the way I looked at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
But the lady that was was the doctor and at
the rehab and the counselor. She's the one that bought
me a house and then I asked her to move
in with me, and you know that whole thing. I
don't know you like that. I was like, well, I
can't be in here by myself, ma'am. And so but anyway,
(07:00):
that's my.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wife, so that she is.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I took her with me, So I took rehab with me.
I ain't never looked back. Yeah, I've been sober all
that time. Never looked back at none of they had
a bet on me that I would have her smoking
in about a week.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Never looked back at none of those people.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Some of them dead, but everybody I wanted to hang
out with, they're all gone.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
For people going through something like that, what advice would
you give me to be able to quit and not
look back.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You have to change people, places and things. So the
people you knew, you got to get rid of that person.
The places used to go, you gotta can't go there
no more. And the things used to do, you can't
do that no more either. So it's a rough situation.
I know about it because prior to that, before I
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went to this last rehab, well, I met my wife
to be at that time, man, I had been through
seven rehabs because somebody else wanted me to go. So
I just didn't know if I was gonna make it.
But man, god, it's good man, yes, sir, Yeah, it's good, sir,
(08:16):
and worthy to be praised. But so I just take
my time and take it one day at a time,
one hour at a time, on a minute at a time,
or whatever it was. I did that all the years.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But I know I had.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
A powerful support group behind me with me. And so
she was slapping hands and if get out there, woo you,
you can't come back here?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
What's your name? What's the what's the next? Briacase you
got jump in there? You know.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
She was just like my mama, let nobody come in
the rooms.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
Right, So, and that is very powerful.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
And speaking of power, you got a new song called Superman.
Speaker 9 (08:57):
That's that's yeah, tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What is about the Superman? Is the story? My story
and my wife and I. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Uh uh stereotypes I called him, they call him Stero
stereo hearts now. They wrote because they knew my story.
So I said, we gotta do a record that would
tell my story. So they came up with that. We
came up with that idea, and uh so it's about
(09:28):
it's about me and my.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Wife giving you the affirmation because you know, it's we
were listening to the record.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And uh, the camera got loose right here.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It was like he was asking.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
He was like, you know, do you feel like in
a relationship you still need that affirmation? You still need
your wife to look at you as superman and to
call you superman. And I'm like, hell, yeah, I've been
with my wife.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I've been I've been with my wife thirty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, man, that's it's the same thing with me.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
It's like, hey man, we we go listen m twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week, thirty years.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This should be thirty years, no days apart. Can you
do that?
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
High school?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm I'm talking about. No going to the store. I'll
be right back. None of that. I'm going to store,
I be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We're going together.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We go together everywhere, no days apart.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, they don't do that, do that together?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
How wild was you child?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's not that I needed the supervision.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
It's just when I first met her in the rehealb
she was like, well, if we're gonna be together, because
I was like, man, I can't do this by myself.
She said, I don't even know you I was like,
you know, thanks for the house, but I can't be
in here by myself and I ain't got no cars.
Looking at her being, she was like, don't look at that.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But I'm just saying she you know.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
She was like, I'm not gonna be sitting around here
while you travel the world.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm not gonna do that. I said, So what youre
talking about? She said?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We got to be together every day. I was like
every day. She's like, yeah, every day. And I was like, okay,
let me try. I try that and send myself. I'll
try that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Think she was gonna last that. He was like, one
long night. She can blake forget this.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It was amazing. And after a while, yeah, it was
like what's this. I can't I ain't never did this before.
But it was like, you know, I fell in love
with her. So I was like, this is cool. We
hold hands every day, all day everywhere, and but it
was it was beautiful and it's still beautiful. She would
keep you out of a lot of trouble. Oh man, Yeah,
(11:49):
people will walk up to me. I ain't jolly, what's
going on? Put the big rock in my hand. I
was like, dude, I don't do that no more.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm sober. That's what they told me. Why did you
put it in my hand in?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
What about the women with poom pool put the big
pool poom in your y? I don't do that no more.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't do you no more.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's all good, no man, it's just the whole life,
My whole life style changed and it's it's still changing
for the better of everything, for the better.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean. Now she's.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
She picks the clothes, she she uh produces the show,
and she uh does the lineup, and it's it's amazing.
She's amazing, man. She knows how to First she comes
with the show, the songs. I'm like, shoot, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
May just do it. Just do it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Then when I come off, you did good, I said,
but put that lineup that ask the people did they
like it? So she produces all of that for me
and and put it all down, man. And then she
picks all the clothes. But between her and.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
She picked out this morning, she got you looking clean.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Jacket is frash.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Sneaker?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, we had to ask you know.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Of course, fifty years of hip hop was was last
year we had DMC so we own a tour.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
In the beginning of the tour, the whole Gap band,
the whole staff, the whole management, everybody that was part
of the whole tour.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Hey, we we.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Love you rap guys, and there was it was kind
of like this, oh we loved you, run DNJ, because
you're not gonna be here in two years.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
This rap shit is gonna die whatever. So you have
open access. Here's the hot food. You don't have to just.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Eat the craft table.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You could come in the green room, this and that.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
The bus is over here, here's the real good showers
and stuff like that. All of a sudden, halfway through
the tour, we're starting.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now you can't go over there in the more.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No y'all can't go over there.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
No, no, no, y'all over here.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They put us in the broom closet.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So one day and we're in the broom closet sitting
and me running Jay say, this is me running Jay
the promoter and Charlie Wilson's manager, Charlie Wilson and the
other guy from the Gap band.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It coming out dressing room.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So you're run that's the MC. This is Jay.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
So it's the promoter knock on the broom closet to
a boom boom, Can we speak to your gods?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Promoter manager Charlie Wilson, the other guy from the Gap band,
we'd like to talk to you about something. Charlie Wilson
run DMCJ is standing like this to us. Wow, Charlie,
it's a fatal We loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Mad as a fuck.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Excuse me, guys for the rest of the tour. We
would like y'all to close the Show't you no headline money?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Or you like y'all to close the show?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Ain't that right, Yard, it's the Funnies shit ever, he's
that's right.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Then you had his back to him the whole time.
That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was that the rap guys was closing because they didn't.
Nobody expect the rap to last that long.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean I was glad that I was. I
was glad that it was like what how how it
was with them? I was really really I was happy
about him. I was glad to be on on some
dates with them. It was just like it was crazy, man.
I was like, man, this is gonna really take off.
(15:26):
I knew it and I wanted to be with Russ
uh and he wanted to sign us.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Off for management through the label.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And my brother, My brother was like, man, he probably
some Quindalini siemers. You know, I don't want to mess
with him. But it was just like my brother was.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And uh, but uh, we didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
We didn't take that route because it would have been
really really huge for the Gap and to ben with
Russ because I know he would have had some some
things going and we would have some records with them
or some rock and some black. You know, it probably
would have been big. But uh, I enjoyed it myself.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Man, So did you have your back to them?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Man? Do you wish I don't know what they talking about?
I don't remember half the stuff that he was. You
wanted to know the truth?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Too many that's been too many damn years ago many
what he.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Was talking about. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
But back then, is there anything you wish you would
have done differently? Because you said if you would have
signed Russell, it would have you would have did records
with these people, would have been rock. It probably would
have been big. Is anything that you wish y'all would
have did different back then?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No, I don't wish nothing like that anymore because it
turned out the way God wanted it to be. Because
I think, you know, I uh, if I would have
did what the Italians wanted me to do, they offered
me a million dollars to leave the gap bed. When
the Italians came and said, I'll give you a million
dollars to leave this group right now, and I was like, man,
(17:01):
you try to get me leave my brothers and I
was didn't understand what the guy was talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was I got custo.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I cussed him out because it's my family, you know.
He said, I want you to be the black Elton John.
We got to writers for you and everything. I didn't
get it. I was young.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I just didn't get it, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I just know that at that time he was trying
to make me leave my brothers and that I didn't
want to do that. But I think if I would
have done that, I wouldn't be here now, because I mean,
at that time, I was.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Twenty twenty one years old.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Twenty one years old, you talking about millions and millions
and millions and millions and millions of dollars and cocaine.
Cocaine cocaine, okain, cokaine. So I probably would have died
like the youngest brother of Beg's. I probably would have
died young and ignorant.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, So that's how I look at it now. God
don't make mistakes at all. You know, he'll make me
hit me. Thank you, going around in this circle for
a long time until you get through bumping your head
so many times, and you know. And so I turned
it all down and uh and uh, oldest brother said, man,
(18:17):
you better you than me, brother, because.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
If it had been me, I had left me. I
had left me long time ago.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I was a lot of money back in that day
to do a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
More man, seventy seventy two, Oh yeah, yeah, seventy two.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And we'd had it with that record we put out
at that time, didn't sell no more than about twenty
six records.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
People don't have that kind of integrity, no more, no more.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I went through.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I went through the whole thing, the whole situation with
my brothers and all of that stuff, all of those
years and uh, without anything.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So never got paid for anything for how long? When
did you for time?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
The whole time the whole time, would the god man
the whole time?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Wow, not a dollar, not even for shows?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
My brother?
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So who was getting all the money?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Mm hmm my brother.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And that's why he said I would have left me
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It was like I was believing everything. You know, you've
got your big brother, you gonna believe everything he say.
Don't do this, don't do that. So and so he's
the corporate he's the guy. He's the guy.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's the one that's taking from us and all of that.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
So, hey, man, we were just having that conversation this morning,
just about business. When it comes to doing business with family.
How do you how do you treat him in that situation?
Do you see him like.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What do you do? I?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I didn't?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
They both dead now, m oh man. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I had a conversation where Lord let me be able
to talk to him before he passed. I had about
two hours. He couldn't talk that much. He was on
his deathbase. But I asked him everything I needed to know.
I said, Man, I ain't mad at you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Man. You know, let's see the gap. Man.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
We had fifteen top ten hits, me thirteen number ones
it's a big difference.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You could do the super Bowl halftime show.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You and I could have been doing a lot of that.
But you know, yeah, how do.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You how do you feel about award shows?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I got, you know, the Grammys was just on, and
you know, everybody saw the speech that Jay did.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Are those things important to you?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Not anymore?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I've been there thirteen times, so hey, hmm, it's just
it's just some TV moments for people. And I know
who they're gonna give it to. We know who they're
gonna give it to. You ain't gonna get too much
of this.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Too much black rappe.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
That skin is too dark, you said, unless you are rapid,
unless you rapping them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, he can get one of them. That's good, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, Well, then on award.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
R and B singers, soul singers, too many, that's in
the pre pre pre Grammic show. That's where you're gonna
get most of your stuff. It's not aired. You leave
there and go to the big room, sit in your
seat and wait and see if you're in anything in
(21:27):
that one. It's all good.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You feel like you get the flowers you deserve, the
amount of hits that you like. You just said and
then the mount of number ones, thirteen number ones.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
You see that guy right there and that lady right there. Yeah, yeah,
that's my manager, and that's my wife, and that's my son.
You see what I'm saying. So anything happened for me,
them too, they give it to me. It comes that
from that way. That's my flowers.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, that's the root or the flower tree. So that's
all you need. That's all I need.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Validation.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I don't need nothing else because them mother folks ain't
gave me nothing, and everybody that could have helped me
it's gone. So now they try to hug on me
because I'm still making number ones. See, I'm the oldest
guy out here, the oldest making number one records.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
That's me.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
There's nobody else making number one records. That's my age,
but me making number one records. So I don't care
about none of that other stuff.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
You work speaks, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, Why do you think artists cares so much about
stuff like the grammar?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I have no clue.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It's just you know, validation, yep, they're looking for validation
and things like that. You know, I went through those phases, man,
a long time ago, and we always we've been together
a long time, and we felt a little weird back
in the days when the first started going. You know, man,
(23:08):
we should have won that, I said, I know, I
performed in pre pro Grammars before, and uh, I thought
that was gonna get me push, get me to the
next level, wreck the place, but then get me to
that to the telecast, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's all good. I did all that a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Now, if they asked, men, I'm not doing I don't
want to do that, do that?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Why want to connect with the youth so much? Like
you look at a lot of artists, sometimes they phase out,
but I feel like the youth loves you right, whether
it's it's Yay like you said, or Tyler the Creator
or you know, Bruno Mars or even you know Uncle Snoop,
Like it feels like they just gravitate to you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Want to do more music, But you don't see that
too much. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Because I can still say my voice down sounds the same,
maybe even better.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can still do that, And.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
So that's how you keep reinventing yourself.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
And yeah, I know exactly what because I'm always with
you know, Tyler Got makes records from me. Don Tolliver
makes records for me, and everybody has been making records
for me. So I'm like, I don't know when he's
going to put those records out, but some of them
already made the records for me, you see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So we've been looking at it. You know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
It's like, hey, uh, whenever he wants to put them out.
But the the the fun of it is is that
these guys, I'm with a lot of them all the time,
so I know what what sounds that they're using. I
know what kind of vibes are they are. I'm not copying,
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but it feels good to me. So whatever feels good
to me, and it's for it's super super for them.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Those are the kind of records that she put out. Basically,
I don't copy, but I do, uh listen to what's
going on when I'm with.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Them kids, and I love that.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I see you're really close with Kanye Snoop, How did
that even happen?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
How did I was in Snoop's business a long time ago?
My wife told Snoop.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
One time, Snoop, you can't you can't be around my
husband smoking.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
It's like who is this lady telling us we can't smoke.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Man, We ain't listening to that man.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Who is this?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
So next day she called it bringing my husband back
down here no more. You know he's not coming.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What's wrong?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I told you I don't want no smoking around him.
He's just got sober. And then that Ever since then,
he said, okay, where everybody put it out? So every
time I come and they be like right, I said,
what you got, m h.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I got snoop to stop smoking. At one point, right, yeah,
after like two months or something like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Three months, I thought it was a year of michause
it ain't been no year.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
So when I was when he was doing his speech,
he said, I said, he said, I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Stop smoking for one hundred and twenty some days.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Whatever was I said, I thought it was a year.
He said, come on, work with me, work with me,
so you and Doggie years.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Come mind.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I told him, I said, man, you got to cut
that out. Man. You can't be in here with these
kids like that. Man.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
He was like really it was like word. I was like, man,
come here, man, let's talk about that. I said, Man,
wife pregnant. You know you can't be in here smoking
like that. With these kids. Man, he said, okay, I said,
so go get your shit and throw it away. He
came in there with them boxes, dumped them in the
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trash boom, just throw them all the way. And then
uh and so Chante said. Boss lady said, uncle Chol,
what'd you say to Snoop? And I started laughing. I
just told him that he needed to change his wicked
ways for a minute.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And uh. And he did that, and it was.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
I.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
I enjoyed being around him and Tupac I was supposed
to he was, I had. I was coming back to
the to the studio the next day and Tupac was
in the room. I didn't know he was in that room.
And a swell Snoop he was the day before. So
soon as I walked in Boyd Park just went crazy.
Everybody started jumping around. He said, I just said your
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name two seconds and you walked in the door, and man,
they was losing their mind.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And he was like, oh, man, listen to this. I
need you to sing this.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And I said, okay, but I can't do it right
now because I'm here for Snoop. If he come in
and doing I'm saying for you, he's gonna be upsetting
and then.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Uh, and that's how pocket Snoop Beef started.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then damn child.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
But so uh, I didn't get a chance to do
the record because Snoop we went back in his room.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
He locked her door and turned them. He said loud, loud, loud.
He was knocking. Snoop Pak wanted to do Charlie to
comes in. Woom. Yeah. And about a month later he
got killed. I didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Do you kept you kept Snoop from leaving his wife too.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh man, we called him.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
My wife was talking to Chante and downstairs, and I
went upstairs because she was packing and she made an unpack.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Let's say, baby, you need to stay with your husband.
It's all good, you need to And she was down
crying and I went upstairs. I mean, what's up? It's
what up? Want?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I said, know what's going on downstairs? I said, you
know your wife is getting ready to leave you or
he's like to leave me.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
What you mean?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I was like, man, she already packing. Mommy down there,
making her take her clothes out like she wouldn't go
in the world. I said, excuse me, she was crying, crying.
Crocodile tears, so she had that stuff gone look at
you at the door. So, uh, I talked to him
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a long time about just family and life, and uh,
he sit there and listen to me. He said, Man,
I never heard nobody talk to me like that. So
I was just in his business all the time.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Yeah, but your connection is powerful. You know what I
mean to get snoop and stop smoking for four months
and then you know, even just he just looks up
so you can see you have a very strong connection.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, it was he did. He did exactly what I
asked him to do. Seante did exactly what my wife
asked her to do and make still together.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Wow about Kanye, how y'all connect like that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I was supposed to have been doing a session with.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Easy mm hmm Easy Is.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Kanye not that when it's the not jezz Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Get yeah, yeah it was uh yeah, uh uh it was.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He didn't show up.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
We went down to the studio and uh, the guy
said he didn't show up. So they said it's this
playing something. He didn't get something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't know what. It was, some kind of message
they sent to me. I'm like, man, you maybe drive
all the way down there. I was mad as hell.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So I went home. The next day they called Kanye
called that. I said, hell, can Charlie come do the
session with Kanye? I was like like, I said, yeah,
I'll call him. He said, man, you want to go
down to the sing with Kanye. I said yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So we came in from the back door and I said,
here we go again. I said, where's Kanye.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Tapped me on the shoulder, Oh you here, Yeah, okay.
So we went in there and he played the songs
and my brother had my youngest brother passed, uh two
days after that and uh or something like that, and
Uh we did the songs and he said and I said, uh,
(31:35):
you wanna do something? I said, can we do something
some more? He's like, you want to do part two?
I said yeah, day two. So we went ended up
going to coming here out here and uh and I did.
I don't know how many songs I did. Then he
wanted to produce uh.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
One of the.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Songs, it's called you Are, that was already a hit basically,
so we gave it to him and his his his
people was like yo yo yea a man, it's we
did everything to this recommend it's already done. Man, I
tried everything, everything said, man, just spring the stuff over
(32:17):
in the shit. It was already it was already a hit. Yeah,
but they did some try to do some stuff. Not
not not yet. He diliked left it alone. But uh,
it was already a hit.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
When he came to your Hollywood Walker Fans ceremony, he
had the black mask on, dressed in all black.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Oh yeah, what did you think about that?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well, that's what he's doing. I haven't talked.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I haven't really talked to him about I did talk
to him about it. He made me laugh at what
he said. I'm not gonna say what he said, but
what do.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You say to.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Him? I said, why do you have the mask on?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
No? He said the reason why I wear the mask?
And he told me what he said, and he just
fell all over me. I laughed so hard I was
almost on the floor. That's when we started taking pictures
when the ceremony was over. And uh, and I laughed
about what he said. So I got you know, he
get he get upset if you hear this, And why'd
you tell the people that?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I So, I ain't gonna say what he's saying.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
But he know what he's doing. He know he getting
the rise out of people exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Kanye ain't crazy.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
He does things what he does, what he wants to do.
And if I'm around, like.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He pumps his brakes, you know a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Did you have that conversation with Kim and Kanye when
they were going through it?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
They say, like, you know what because people listening to you,
because you know, g you've been through it. Because did
you say, Kanye, Kim wife, you go talk to Kim
downstairs and me go talk to Kanye always already to
We didn't do.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It that way, but I did talk to Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
When I called, he would give give kimnedy phone, uh,
you know, or he'll call and give Kim. He'll call
me calling somebody, or he'll call Kim, hand the phone
to her and she's and give it to me. And
I was like, what's that all about? But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I could say that one.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
You know, you could try, but you can't fix everything.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
But I mean, I mean, that's that's that's family too. Family.
He told his people. When we was in Paris.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I went out there, I did like fifteen records in
two days.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Wow. So everything did he have on his album?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I mean he was I recorded all of those records,
and I did my all of the backs and uh,
and then he wanted me to do all the leads,
and I didn't hear that part he had told he
had told my manager.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I didn't know he wanted me to do all the
ties parts.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I didn't do them all out, and I was trying
to get to it late that night. I was tied
horse and and then I left it alone and were
supposed to come back. So I saw him at my
at my the ceremony. He told me where he was at,
and I said, okay, but I had to come here
to do a lot of stuff. I got Good Morning
(35:18):
America in the morning and nice.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
So just for the new album that you did vocal, ok, gotcha.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I did all of those, a lot of that stuff,
and he wanted to do he wants to do the
whole album my album and uh.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So we didn't get a chance to do that.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
He wants to ep your new album.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, he wants wanted me to do all
of the stuff that we was doing for him. He
wanted to do a lot of He got a lot
of records, man, so he wanted to take those records
and make a record for me.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
You know you said something earlier man about the Grammys
and how you would never perform there. Now and I
think about this year, Like this year they had Celine
Dion showed up, Jody Mitchell performed there for the first time,
Billy Old was there.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Like as a as a.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Veteran in this game, a legend, you wouldn't want to
do something like that, just dude.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I would love to, but they never asked me. Hey, man,
I'm not doing that no more with them kind of people. Man,
I'm not doing it because I don't have to do that.
You know, the the the pages, it's that all of
that that I've done, and you know it don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's to them. It's fine with me because it don't
really mean nothing to me. But I got.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It because how many people you say, I got the
most number ones and any R and B artists in
this country Billboard number ones than anybody that's solo that's
dead are gonna. Yes, it's hard to get number ones
that R and B urban Back in the day, you
might get the top, you might get two, number two,
(36:49):
you might get top five, but.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's hard to get urban number one.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, you might think it's number one because it's been
played a hundred times.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, and when you think about it, it's not really
too many of y'all left.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It's you, it's Stevie Wonder, it's Ronald Eisley.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And none of them. They have no number ones in
a long time, Patty LaBelle, long time. Yeah, but it's
all good.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
She did her thing that you know, gospels what they headed,
and she said, okay, that's fine. You know, if you're
just not giving your life to the Lord, I mean
you should have already have give him given me your life.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Ain't never too late.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No, no, it ain't never too late.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But I'm saying the reason why I said it is
because you.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Straling the fence.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
Yeah, you know, I get you.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
You said, Patty Leabelle's graddling the fence.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Now, I'm just saying, people that wait, and because you
can't get no more radio.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You want to go gospel gospel.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's what I'm saying. Don't run over it because of that.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Right, I'm not saying Patty did that, But the show
looks like that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Man, what is you talking about?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Something?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I'm the only one been shouting on the stage ever
at my concert so I ain't never stopped praising God
never ever, ever, ever. So the lady asked me yesterday,
you're gonna do a gospel album? I said I would
love to. But since you're over here on the station,
when if I do one, you tell him that Charlie
Wilson been doing gospel all his life, and he's been
doing R and B all his life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So lets don't y'all try to.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Get you church folks, just just try to nail him
up against the wall because he ran over there. It's
not that I'm running nowhere. I've been praying and praying
two or three times a day, asking God for what
I need to have, and so I quit asking him
for what I need.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I just started thanking him. Now, Lord, I know I
got a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
I just want to thank you for everything I've ever
gotten and everything that I didn't get. So I thank
you because the scription says in all things, give things,
and so that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Now you know, I'm having a good time. Man. Sometimes
I can't get the words out say what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
What else is is what else is left for you?
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Though?
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Like what else would you like to do?
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Is something that you want to do that you feel
like you haven't done yet in your career. At seventy one,
still smoking hot.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, I would like to continue doing music with these kids.
And they still calling. Yeah, they're still calling, So they're
gonna keep me relevant.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
Yeah, you don't see retirement no time soon.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well, if you gotta, if you retire, you gotta get
you gotta retire from being retired.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I already know that guy's gonna go because the a't
gonna stop. So they haven't stopped calling me yet. So
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And if I can just continue to do that, and
I don't know what else I can do other than
make records and uh uh, I got a documentary that
I'm getting ready to do because I have to tell
it on my side of the story the correct way.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
That you're gonna let them know the truth and nothing
but the whole nothing but the truth of the whole truth,
for nothing but the whole truth exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And you know, I w TMZ was like, why do
you want your brother to make no money? What you got?
Hear his man and everybody elses, what what are you
talking about? But anyway, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
And I went through all of that, and and I
love my family.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I said, I don't forgive all of everybody that's ever
done anything to me. I don't care. And I said,
you know.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
They said, well you wait, man, when next time you
go do this this festival? You make you sure you
get sixty? I said, man, that's my payroll. What are
you talking about? What are you talking about crumbs? Because
that's what you've been used to doing. That's not my payroll. Buddy.
You'd have a baby right now, a man having a
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baby if you found out what I was getting.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Jolly man can have babies.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
No, No, they cannot.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
If I'm having a baby, I'm gonna run the other way.
You won't see me no where around for some man
having a baby.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
What is your relationship like with the ogs? With the
people I just named?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Man a cool We're all good, We all man, we're
all good.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
I'm having a good time man and everybody, Uh, they
all see me getting getting the flowers of people have
given me that they know that I deserve and that
I shouldn't have got, should have gotten a long time ago.
But I'm happy, man, in my life, because I'm happy
with my my my immediate family. That's my life now,
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my support family and my real family. So hey, man,
there's nothing that I need. I was always telling my wife, listen,
I just got to get this eight hundred million from
this to get this lot off. She was like, what
are you gonna do with that? I said, what what's mean?
(41:56):
It's is what are you gonna do with all of that?
I said, I don't know. Maybe just was throw it
over you, you know, on the top of the bed,
sleep on it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
What She was like, you don't need that, we don't
need that. We have enough.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
I was like, come on, baby, it's a lot of
I want to you know, I want to take you
on the cruise.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's like, you know these yachts.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Yeah, four hundred foot yachts whatever. I was like, let's
get do So she said, I don't want to do
that and we don't need that.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I said, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So you didn't played a lot of You didn't play
a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I've been playing a lot of I think, to god,
he because we don't need that.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
You think we could ever rebuild something like Black Wall Street.
You made me think about that just now.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Man, I would love to build it. That would be great.
You can do that with the mill. That would be
great to do that, and in my hometown, it would
be great. Ah if I had, if I got the
two bill and one of them, a lot of those
hit hard like that. That's why I would go to
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do that.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Rebuild Black Wall Street in your hometown.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Yes, because that is where it was. That's greenwood, greenwood, greenwood,
arch and pine. That's right down there on Greenwood. Yes, sir,
so that's what I would do. I'm glad you said that, man.
But I'm having a good time in life, man, and
I don't need nothing. She's right, I don't really need nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
We have a lot. We have love, and that's all
we really need. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, we appreciate you for joining us. And I told
you last time you said, you know, we can make
it all right? Was my wedding song and a cappella. Yeah,
the words in that song, if you never listen.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
To it, you just google it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Listen to the words and we can make it all right.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
They don't put nothing on your voice any Charlie when
you're in the studio.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
That's all I drank.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
I drunk a lot of it before I go saying
I have to have at least a gaunt the water
in my system.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Here.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
He takes all the mucles and everything down. I used
to warm up a different way and and uh. And
one guy said, you're doing all that. That's not it.
You're rolling up, warming up the wrong way. I said, Well,
that's what I was talking about seth Riggs years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
He said, but that was the old school way. But
I'm just like, just drink this water. Man. I was like, Wow,
that's good for me.
Speaker 9 (44:23):
I like it't been doing it ever since.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
That's all I've been doing.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
Still hitting them vocals like that.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
Man, I got it. Can I say this about uh
baby face? I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
He wrote a song for the Gap Band and me
years ago, and it was.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want to Rock with your baby.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So he wrote that song for me.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Wow, but it wasn't that wasn't the original version he
produced that in there because he left the a version
because he had wrote that for the Gap Band and
me and me. So uh So the other day he said, man,
when we was he was doing his speech, he was
talking about you know that he came down to the
(45:14):
total experience and he left him and said, no trying
them said he.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Don't like that record.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
People they man, he ain't lied on me, man, And
so all those years Kenny was mad. He was really
hurt about that that came out and said, I said
that we don't like the record.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
But now man, he said, Man, I found the original
of that. I want to hear that.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I said, come on, man, get the thing together. Let's
go put the record out. Because and then up with
Bobby Brown end up.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
With the record, right, yeah, absolutely classic.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, I said, why did you give all my records
to Bobby Brown? Man? What happened? Evan?
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Then it's got about that, man.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Every record that he did was for me.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Come on, man, that was reverence because you didn't like
the records.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Bobby he gave it everything.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Yeah, because he thought I said that he can't produce
and he can't produce for the gap bed and all that.
So he stayed mad, angry, hurt feelings. Not angry, but
hurt feelings. Twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Wow, wow, long time baby faith of Kenny Kenny.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Okay, okay, yeah, babyface.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And I been used to tell him, I man, I swear,
I said, man, I swear, I'm god.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I never ever said that.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
And I told him he used to tell him a
year after year after year after year, and finally he said,
like I said, Man, he didn't say this.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
I believe it. Now I believe it. Yeah. I don't
know man, whoever was, but I know my problem. My
brother said it.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, so it's just miscommunication.
Speaker 9 (46:47):
It was a lie.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
There was a lie, a lie. But I mean listening,
that's God right, because we don't get Bobby Brown.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
If that don't happen, maybe if.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I would Charlie like I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I wanted that record.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I wanted that record because well, first of all, I
never heard it, but when I heard his version, because
what what Kennedy did? He just went on produced the record,
produced the producer till it got what it would be
for Bobby. You know, it would work for him, you
know because after Yearning for Your Love, that Rock with
You record was that was the next record for us.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
That's why he brought.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
It, and it would have followed Yearning for Your Love.
And it didn't get it didn't work it, it didn't
make it. So but now she's good because I'm gonna
get the record I was supposed to have in the
in the beginning, man, he said, just give me a
little time. I have it ready, I was, like, asked Mica.
(47:44):
I said, how he saydn't rushim, don't rush, just let
him going on do it. I said, I ain't gonna
rush him. So he should be through with it about a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
So he working on something for you know.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
He's working on it now.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
So y'all doing another the O G version of I
Want to.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Rocket, the very first version of it. Wow.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Yeah, every little step had to be Bobby though, because
you couldn't dance like Bobby.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
What? Wow, what you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Like that?
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Get Alex class up that thing for you?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
He said, I had to be trying to come on, man,
you can't do that step.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Bobby was no joke with them feet now, man, John,
he wasn't no joke.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
But guess where he got it from. Man, come on, man,
you gotta understand them kids. I took them kids on
their first tour new edition. Yeah it was a gap
band and uh and but the other guys would always say.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
It was Rick James. Rick James ain't showed you no steps, man,
he can't dance. Got wrong with you.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Rick James wasn't getting taken all his clothes off it
was me hoping the speakers.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
You didn't Rick James didn't. He was doing the same
day he saw me du because I was on.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I was a roll with him too.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, come on man, Yeah, but his buddies they didn't
want but they didn't want to give me that.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
That's all good and no problem. Bibuld just be sitting
like this.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
He dropped his head when they're still talking because he
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I don't don't go, get ship, don't go.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
You don't play with him? Now, you don't play with
y'all play with him. I got some move now.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I was just show he was.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
He was humping the speaker, he was, he was, don't
play with him, now, don't play with.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
I was.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I was taking on my shirt and that was everything.
And and was pulling them gonna pull him down.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
And and uh and uh, and the squirrels were screaming
hot they my brothers coming.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I don't pull them down. It's like it was just
like a little acting all over that floor. All over
the floor. Man, I'll be humping speaker, slide down, hump
the other one.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
It was all what what other records that you you
miss out on? Like you like damn, I should have
did that.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Well, no, it's just it's like I used to talk
to Teddy and I said, I come on, man, y'all
know you know that uh uh my paratic you know
all that stuff Bobby did. I said, you know that's yeah, man,
it was for you, you know, but I was thinking
of you because you know that's what we got our
(50:16):
That's why I got my stuff from it. So you
forget man throw the floor he called it foe to
the floor, and uh but it so, I mean, it's
just all that was. That was I was the move.
I played the move base on all of the records.
On the up tempos, I played those basis bass parts,
(50:36):
so he copying that parts and and.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
It's all good. Man.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
It was the way back A long time ago. Man,
I don't trip no more. But I felt it was good.
And when I first heard guy, I said, I was like,
a man, is that my voice?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I thought it was some I was like, man, I
was like, wow, you was inspiration. Yeah it was it
was Aaron. Aaron said, man, I carried your picture in
my back pocket. Wow. I was like, wow. Okay, that
boy was saying, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
They give you the credit though they always have. Yeah, Aeron,
he was talking too much. They made him stop talking
about it, teach me. I was like, man, he would
be the saying, oh man, it was Aaron was something else.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Man, it's still like my son today. I love him
to death.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
All over the world wherever I was going out to
see him and we would just be talking.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
He did yearning for your love. I said, let me
do one one of your records, just because you did
one of one of ours.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
And so I loved him. Man, I still love guy.
That was hope that they could get it back because
I used to tell him. I said, I know you
shaved your head, and that bought and shaved his head.
He got a cane and r Kelly. I said, Aaron,
don't let him put another record out. You gotta go
(52:11):
and put your record out. Y'all put another record out.
Then all of a sudden, I don't see nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
I said, Okay, it's on now.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Man. You told him that.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Hell yeah, so you seen him.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
You've seen it happening.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, I've seen it happen. I said, don't let him
put another record out. You got to put a record
out now. And then they didn't get that fast enough,
because when that said coming to that bumping.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Ground, I was like, it's gone.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
Now he gone, you know, so it's no getting it back.
When the art to do that, R Kelly went back
in those days. He kept writing and writing and writing
and writing, and it didn't stop. And then you know,
you gotta wait on Teddy. Teddy is writing for everybody,
Heavy Dan, the boys. He's going he right for everybody.
So he ain't back at a guy right now. He
ain't doing that. And you know Black Street, he's doing
(52:59):
a lot of other stuf.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
Now you see I do hear a lot of Charlie
in airon now when you say that, like, don't be
afraid that could have definitely.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Been Man, come on, man, this is my kids. Yeah,
it happened a long time ago back there. Yeah, but
I'm having fun. I had fun then, I'm still having fun.
I love all those guys, and I love all of
the kids that are coming now to me and and
and still getting the records, and it makes me feel good.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I ain't gonna hold y'all all day. Man, I see
you over there. He's ready to go. Boy. I love
I got a lot of them, but I ain't gonna.
I ain't gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
I can't see my I can't see my manager's face.
He's behind it. But if he was over there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
He'd be like, that's good.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Stories before like before sober sobriety.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
We get mad, he'll tell me when he don't want
me to do he'll be.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Like mm hmm, yeah, cut it out.
Speaker 5 (53:54):
Because sometimes I have been telling some of the stuff
that was done to me, and I get it excited
because I did that yesterday. I was I was just.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Going going, and I got angry. I was like, I
wasn't angry.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
I just took too far, and I said, you know what,
we can get sued, So don't put that out. Don't
don't play that. Yeah, lady said, okay.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
What was it about people get sued?
Speaker 5 (54:15):
I just said that because it shouldn't heard like that.
I was going at it too hard about it, and
you off. You kind of got a little angry at
then you, sir.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
But I respect y'all.
Speaker 7 (54:24):
You got your supporters, and you got your wife, you
got your manager, and you even turned to them to
look and see a lot of people don't even they.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Don't listen to the people around.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
No, No, they're just going at it and then they
getting the getting some paperwork in four days from that.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I don't care, man, I said, I'm gonna say
what I gotta saying.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
Should you you paid? You paid the cost? You that
you've grown seventy one?
Speaker 9 (54:44):
Listen, that's what.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Y'all gonna do next? Man, What you're gonna do next? Man?
Speaker 8 (54:49):
Keep running his mouth up here every day, every day,
keep running his mouth. He keeps saying, Okay, why would
you ask me?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
He cannot God, he cannot dance. He cannot sing a dance.
Now you know what I can do for fifteen years.
You can't do none of that.
Speaker 7 (55:07):
He's basically telling you to close the interview. But you
don't get the hint he told you.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
He did it twice to you already.
Speaker 9 (55:12):
He's got nothing going on, and people come up here.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Twice and I know you're ready to go. Then he said,
what y'all want to do next?
Speaker 1 (55:23):
And you ain't?
Speaker 4 (55:24):
You just staring at him. Thank you for coming, mister Wilson.
We appreciate you. Let's play Superman right now.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Many males introduce it.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Let's introduce the record, y'all.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
This is Uncle Charlie Charlty last name Wilson. This is
my new single. It's cause Superman.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
It's The Breakfast Club, Good Morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
The Breakfast Club
Wake that hands up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's d J Envy.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building, legend. That's right, just
got his star on a Hollywood Walker fan. Ladies and gentlemen,
Charlie Wilson, how are.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You, black man?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I'm good man, Yes, sir, I'm blessed black and Holly favorite.
Congrats on the Hollywood Walker fan.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
What did that mean to you?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
It was basically a miracle for me because, uh, not
far from where I got the star, uh maybe a block,
So that's why I was homeless. So it's like a
miracle full circle.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
It's like, wow, it looked different down there because things
has changed so many years ago. But and then when
we went to park to wait for them to get rid,
for them for me to be ready, for them to
be ready for me to come, I was like, oh wow,
we're just riding around the corner from the total experience
where it used to be. And so I was like, wow, okay,
(01:07):
so that's why I slept around the corner there. So
but anyway, it's it was. It was a miracle. That's
basically what I got to say.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
That's a man, very emotional day that day.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Then, yeah, man, it was everybody came. Everybody that I've
sang with, they were all there. The lady who had
was on the commission of the Walk of Fame, uh
Anna Martinee Martinez. She's like, I've never seen this many stars,
never ever seen this many stars show up for a
(01:39):
guy that's getting a star.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I said, well, I showed up.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
For them, Yeah, to slang with them, So they showed
up for me.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That was a really cool thing. Everybody was there, you know, Yay.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Snoop, Uh, Don Tolliver Tyler, the Creer uh Tied.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Donad Sign, Uh, Jimmy, Jeanme Terry. Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
It was just so many h only somebody that can
get a chance to make it was uh for real
and and and.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Uh Farrell was in Paris. I guess it's fashion show
a Uh what's the kids name Cruz Metro Yeah, uh hm.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
And and the guy took me on the on tour
with him who he was flying in. He got the
message late and he said, wow, man, I'm sorry he
got in. He had to get to Vegas because you
know he got his residence, but everybody else was there. Man,
(03:05):
it was It was amazing.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
Do you have memories when you was homeless, like walking
down that ward and looking at those stars?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Oh yeah, Well, the first time I saw the stars was.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Before all of the hoop of art and craziness.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Uh. I was was my first the Gap bands first album.
We was.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I flew in to uh mix it at the record
plant and uh the single and the and the album
and of course, uh Stevie Wonder was running late getting
out of there. He was still in there mixing. Anyway
that I got. That was my first time meeting him,
and and uh we went to the piano. He sang,
(03:49):
we sang together, and that was the first time I
ever had met him.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
So and you know he was late come on to
the piano.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Man, how would STEVEE know? He late? Man, somebody.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
He don't use no time. He just don't use time,
you know, but he just do his thing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
But anyway, we just went out there and had some
fun together and uh and uh. But when I was leaving,
I remember looking down before I got there, I remember
looking down at the at the stars. I was like, wow,
because I was in front of the Chinese theater and uh,
(04:34):
and I was putting my hands and like that in
the front of in the hands and footprints and stuff
like that. Then I walked and seen the stars. I
was like, Wow, maybe one of the day, maybe I
can get one of these. And somebody lady was saying,
that's not impossible. I was like, yeah, but it's me.
I ain't I was. We didn't have no record, I
was nobody. It's just like and she said it's not impossible.
(04:56):
I said, I didn't say it was impossible. I'm just
talking about me getting one out. I don't have a
record out or nothing yet. She's like, I said, I'm
talking about me. She said, I'm talking about you. It
just went through that whole little thing for a while,
and I was like, Wow, would it be cool if
I could get one of these?
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Now you got yeah, do you feel like it took
longe a beautiful thing for me that day?
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Do you feel like that and a lot of stars.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
Do you feel like it takes you know, a long
it takes so long for some people, certain people to
get it.
Speaker 9 (05:30):
Do you feel like it took.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Oh, yeah, everything that happen. If it took a long time,
they got thumbs everybody had.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But it's all good. Yeah, you know, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm blessed, and and and and and those who
really thought they had a thumb on me or whatever
hit on my head or whatever. Most of them died out.
And the ones that everybody kept me away from because
they thought I was a disease or I was bad
for the person. They all died from drugs. Okay, yeah,
(06:05):
and I'm still alive and well amen, thirty years later,
still sober.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Come on that now.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
For most people that don't know, how did you get
out from being homeless to back to where you needed
to be? I mean, I read the story that you
said a lot of your brothers and sisters that were
homeless with you would protect you. They would make sure
that they would hide you and get you the food.
They said you almost like Dracula. You almost came out
in the night.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Oh yeah, I had to because I didn't want to
about to see me the way I looked at the time.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
But the lady that was was the doctor and at
the rehab and the counselor. She's the one that bought
me a house and then I asked her to move
in with me, and you know that whole thing. I
don't know you like that. I was like, well, I
can't be in here by myself, ma'am. And so but anyway,
(07:00):
that's my.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wife, so that she is.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I took her with me, So I took rehab with me.
I ain't never looked back. Yeah, I've been sober all
that time. Never looked back at none of they had
a bet on me that I would have her smoking
in about a week.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Never looked back at none of those people.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Some of them dead, but everybody I wanted to hang
out with, they're all gone.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
For people going through something like that, what advice would
you give me to be able to quit and not
look back.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You have to change people, places and things. So the
people you knew, you got to get rid of that person.
The places used to go, you gotta can't go there
no more. And the things used to do, you can't
do that no more either. So it's a rough situation.
I know about it because prior to that, before I
(07:55):
went to this last rehab, well, I met my wife
to be at that time, man, I had been through
seven rehabs because somebody else wanted me to go. So
I just didn't know if I was gonna make it.
But man, god, it's good man, yes, sir, Yeah, it's good, sir,
(08:16):
and worthy to be praised. But so I just take
my time and take it one day at a time,
one hour at a time, on a minute at a time,
or whatever it was. I did that all the years.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
But I know I had.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
A powerful support group behind me with me. And so
she was slapping hands and if get out there, woo you,
you can't come back here?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
What's your name? What's the what's the next? Briacase you
got jump in there? You know.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
She was just like my mama, let nobody come in
the rooms.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
Right, So, and that is very powerful.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
And speaking of power, you got a new song called Superman.
Speaker 9 (08:57):
That's that's yeah, tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What is about the Superman? Is the story? My story
and my wife and I. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Uh uh stereotypes I called him, they call him Stero
stereo hearts now. They wrote because they knew my story.
So I said, we gotta do a record that would
tell my story. So they came up with that. We
came up with that idea, and uh so it's about
(09:28):
it's about me and my.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Wife giving you the affirmation because you know, it's we
were listening to the record.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And uh, the camera got loose right here.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It was like he was asking.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
He was like, you know, do you feel like in
a relationship you still need that affirmation? You still need
your wife to look at you as superman and to
call you superman. And I'm like, hell, yeah, I've been
with my wife.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I've been I've been with my wife thirty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, man, that's it's the same thing with me.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
It's like, hey man, we we go listen m twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week, thirty years.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This should be thirty years, no days apart. Can you
do that?
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
High school?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm I'm talking about. No going to the store. I'll
be right back. None of that. I'm going to store,
I be right back.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We're going together.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
We go together everywhere, no days apart.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
No, they don't do that, do that together?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
How wild was you child?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's not that I needed the supervision.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
It's just when I first met her in the rehealb
she was like, well, if we're gonna be together, because
I was like, man, I can't do this by myself.
She said, I don't even know you I was like,
you know, thanks for the house, but I can't be
in here by myself and I ain't got no cars.
Looking at her being, she was like, don't look at that.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
But I'm just saying she you know.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
She was like, I'm not gonna be sitting around here
while you travel the world.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm not gonna do that. I said, So what youre
talking about? She said?
Speaker 5 (11:11):
We got to be together every day. I was like
every day. She's like, yeah, every day. And I was like, okay,
let me try. I try that and send myself. I'll
try that.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Think she was gonna last that. He was like, one
long night. She can blake forget this.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It was.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It was amazing. And after a while, yeah, it was
like what's this. I can't I ain't never did this before.
But it was like, you know, I fell in love
with her. So I was like, this is cool. We
hold hands every day, all day everywhere, and but it
was it was beautiful and it's still beautiful. She would
keep you out of a lot of trouble. Oh man, Yeah,
(11:49):
people will walk up to me. I ain't jolly, what's
going on? Put the big rock in my hand. I
was like, dude, I don't do that no more.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm sober. That's what they told me. Why did you
put it in my hand in?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
What about the women with poom pool put the big
pool poom in your y? I don't do that no more.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't do you no more.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's all good, no man, it's just the whole life,
My whole life style changed and it's it's still changing
for the better of everything, for the better.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean. Now she's.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
She picks the clothes, she she uh produces the show,
and she uh does the lineup, and it's it's amazing.
She's amazing, man. She knows how to First she comes
with the show, the songs. I'm like, shoot, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
May just do it. Just do it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Then when I come off, you did good, I said,
but put that lineup that ask the people did they
like it? So she produces all of that for me
and and put it all down, man. And then she
picks all the clothes. But between her and.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
She picked out this morning, she got you looking clean.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Jacket is frash.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Sneaker?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, we had to ask you know.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Of course, fifty years of hip hop was was last
year we had DMC so we own a tour.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
In the beginning of the tour, the whole Gap band,
the whole staff, the whole management, everybody that was part
of the whole tour.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Hey, we we.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Love you rap guys, and there was it was kind
of like this, oh we loved you, run DNJ, because
you're not gonna be here in two years.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
This rap shit is gonna die whatever. So you have
open access. Here's the hot food. You don't have to just.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Eat the craft table.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
You could come in the green room, this and that.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
The bus is over here, here's the real good showers
and stuff like that. All of a sudden, halfway through
the tour, we're starting.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now you can't go over there in the more.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
This is true.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No y'all can't go over there.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
No, no, no, y'all over here.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They put us in the broom closet.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
So one day and we're in the broom closet sitting
and me running Jay say, this is me running Jay
the promoter and Charlie Wilson's manager, Charlie Wilson and the
other guy from the Gap band.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It coming out dressing room.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So you're run that's the MC. This is Jay.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
So it's the promoter knock on the broom closet to
a boom boom, Can we speak to your gods?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Promoter manager Charlie Wilson, the other guy from the Gap band,
we'd like to talk to you about something. Charlie Wilson
run DMCJ is standing like this to us. Wow, Charlie,
it's a fatal We loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Mad as a fuck.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Excuse me, guys for the rest of the tour. We
would like y'all to close the Show't you no headline money?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Or you like y'all to close the show?
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Ain't that right, Yard, it's the Funnies shit ever, he's
that's right.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Then you had his back to him the whole time.
That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was that the rap guys was closing because they didn't.
Nobody expect the rap to last that long.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean I was glad that I was. I
was glad that it was like what how how it
was with them? I was really really I was happy
about him. I was glad to be on on some
dates with them. It was just like it was crazy, man.
I was like, man, this is gonna really take off.
(15:26):
I knew it and I wanted to be with Russ
uh and he wanted to sign us.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Off for management through the label.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
And my brother, My brother was like, man, he probably
some Quindalini siemers. You know, I don't want to mess
with him. But it was just like my brother was.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
And uh, but uh, we didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
We didn't take that route because it would have been
really really huge for the Gap and to ben with
Russ because I know he would have had some some
things going and we would have some records with them
or some rock and some black. You know, it probably
would have been big. But uh, I enjoyed it myself.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Man, So did you have your back to them?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Man? Do you wish I don't know what they talking about?
I don't remember half the stuff that he was. You
wanted to know the truth?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Too many that's been too many damn years ago many
what he.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Was talking about. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
But back then, is there anything you wish you would
have done differently? Because you said if you would have
signed Russell, it would have you would have did records
with these people, would have been rock. It probably would
have been big. Is anything that you wish y'all would
have did different back then?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
No, I don't wish nothing like that anymore because it
turned out the way God wanted it to be. Because
I think, you know, I uh, if I would have
did what the Italians wanted me to do, they offered
me a million dollars to leave the gap bed. When
the Italians came and said, I'll give you a million
dollars to leave this group right now, and I was like, man,
(17:01):
you try to get me leave my brothers and I
was didn't understand what the guy was talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was I got custo.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I cussed him out because it's my family, you know.
He said, I want you to be the black Elton John.
We got to writers for you and everything. I didn't
get it. I was young.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I just didn't get it, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I just know that at that time he was trying
to make me leave my brothers and that I didn't
want to do that. But I think if I would
have done that, I wouldn't be here now, because I mean,
at that time, I was.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Twenty twenty one years old.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Twenty one years old, you talking about millions and millions
and millions and millions and millions of dollars and cocaine.
Cocaine cocaine, okain, cokaine. So I probably would have died
like the youngest brother of Beg's. I probably would have
died young and ignorant.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, So that's how I look at it now. God
don't make mistakes at all. You know, he'll make me
hit me. Thank you, going around in this circle for
a long time until you get through bumping your head
so many times, and you know. And so I turned
it all down and uh and uh, oldest brother said, man,
(18:17):
you better you than me, brother, because.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
If it had been me, I had left me. I
had left me long time ago.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I was a lot of money back in that day
to do a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
More man, seventy seventy two, Oh yeah, yeah, seventy two.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
And we'd had it with that record we put out
at that time, didn't sell no more than about twenty
six records.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
People don't have that kind of integrity, no more, no more.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So I went through.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
I went through the whole thing, the whole situation with
my brothers and all of that stuff, all of those
years and uh, without anything.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So never got paid for anything for how long? When
did you for time?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
The whole time the whole time, would the god man
the whole time?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Wow, not a dollar, not even for shows?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
My brother?
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So who was getting all the money?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Mm hmm my brother.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And that's why he said I would have left me
a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It was like I was believing everything. You know, you've
got your big brother, you gonna believe everything he say.
Don't do this, don't do that. So and so he's
the corporate he's the guy. He's the guy.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
He's the one that's taking from us and all of that.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
So, hey, man, we were just having that conversation this morning,
just about business. When it comes to doing business with family.
How do you how do you treat him in that situation?
Do you see him like.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
What do you do? I?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I didn't?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
They both dead now, m oh man. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I had a conversation where Lord let me be able
to talk to him before he passed. I had about
two hours. He couldn't talk that much. He was on
his deathbase. But I asked him everything I needed to know.
I said, Man, I ain't mad at you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Man. You know, let's see the gap. Man.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
We had fifteen top ten hits, me thirteen number ones
it's a big difference.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
You could do the super Bowl halftime show.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You and I could have been doing a lot of that.
But you know, yeah, how do.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You how do you feel about award shows?
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I got, you know, the Grammys was just on, and
you know, everybody saw the speech that Jay did.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Are those things important to you?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Not anymore?
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I've been there thirteen times, so hey, hmm, it's just
it's just some TV moments for people. And I know
who they're gonna give it to. We know who they're
gonna give it to. You ain't gonna get too much
of this.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Too much black rappe.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
That skin is too dark, you said, unless you are rapid,
unless you rapping them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Okay, he can get one of them. That's good, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, Well, then on award.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
R and B singers, soul singers, too many, that's in
the pre pre pre Grammic show. That's where you're gonna
get most of your stuff. It's not aired. You leave
there and go to the big room, sit in your
seat and wait and see if you're in anything in
(21:27):
that one. It's all good.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You feel like you get the flowers you deserve, the
amount of hits that you like. You just said and
then the mount of number ones, thirteen number ones.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
You see that guy right there and that lady right there. Yeah, yeah,
that's my manager, and that's my wife, and that's my son.
You see what I'm saying. So anything happened for me,
them too, they give it to me. It comes that
from that way. That's my flowers.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, that's the root or the flower tree. So that's
all you need. That's all I need.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Validation.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I don't need nothing else because them mother folks ain't
gave me nothing, and everybody that could have helped me
it's gone. So now they try to hug on me
because I'm still making number ones. See, I'm the oldest
guy out here, the oldest making number one records.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
That's me.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
There's nobody else making number one records. That's my age,
but me making number one records. So I don't care
about none of that other stuff.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
You work speaks, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, Why do you think artists cares so much about
stuff like the grammar?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I have no clue.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
It's just you know, validation, yep, they're looking for validation
and things like that. You know, I went through those phases, man,
a long time ago, and we always we've been together
a long time, and we felt a little weird back
in the days when the first started going. You know, man,
(23:08):
we should have won that, I said, I know, I
performed in pre pro Grammars before, and uh, I thought
that was gonna get me push, get me to the
next level, wreck the place, but then get me to
that to the telecast, you know, But.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's all good. I did all that a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Now, if they asked, men, I'm not doing I don't
want to do that, do that?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Man?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Why want to connect with the youth so much? Like
you look at a lot of artists, sometimes they phase out,
but I feel like the youth loves you right, whether
it's it's Yay like you said, or Tyler the Creator
or you know, Bruno Mars or even you know Uncle Snoop,
Like it feels like they just gravitate to you.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Want to do more music, But you don't see that
too much. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Because I can still say my voice down sounds the same,
maybe even better.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can still do that, And.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
So that's how you keep reinventing yourself.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
And yeah, I know exactly what because I'm always with
you know, Tyler Got makes records from me. Don Tolliver
makes records for me, and everybody has been making records
for me. So I'm like, I don't know when he's
going to put those records out, but some of them
already made the records for me, you see.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So we've been looking at it. You know.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
It's like, hey, uh, whenever he wants to put them out.
But the the the fun of it is is that
these guys, I'm with a lot of them all the time,
so I know what what sounds that they're using. I
know what kind of vibes are they are. I'm not copying,
(24:54):
but it feels good to me. So whatever feels good
to me, and it's for it's super super for them.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Those are the kind of records that she put out. Basically,
I don't copy, but I do, uh listen to what's
going on when I'm with.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Them kids, and I love that.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I see you're really close with Kanye Snoop, How did
that even happen?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Like?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
How did I was in Snoop's business a long time ago?
My wife told Snoop.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
One time, Snoop, you can't you can't be around my
husband smoking.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
It's like who is this lady telling us we can't smoke.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Man, We ain't listening to that man.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Who is this?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
So next day she called it bringing my husband back
down here no more. You know he's not coming.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
What's wrong?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I told you I don't want no smoking around him.
He's just got sober. And then that Ever since then,
he said, okay, where everybody put it out? So every
time I come and they be like right, I said,
what you got, m h.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I got snoop to stop smoking. At one point, right, yeah,
after like two months or something like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Three months, I thought it was a year of michause
it ain't been no year.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
So when I was when he was doing his speech,
he said, I said, he said, I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Stop smoking for one hundred and twenty some days.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Whatever was I said, I thought it was a year.
He said, come on, work with me, work with me,
so you and Doggie years.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Come mind.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I told him, I said, man, you got to cut
that out. Man. You can't be in here with these
kids like that. Man.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
He was like really it was like word. I was like, man,
come here, man, let's talk about that. I said, Man,
wife pregnant. You know you can't be in here smoking
like that. With these kids. Man, he said, okay, I said,
so go get your shit and throw it away. He
came in there with them boxes, dumped them in the
(27:03):
trash boom, just throw them all the way. And then
uh and so Chante said. Boss lady said, uncle Chol,
what'd you say to Snoop? And I started laughing. I
just told him that he needed to change his wicked
ways for a minute.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And uh. And he did that, and it was.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
I.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
I enjoyed being around him and Tupac I was supposed
to he was, I had. I was coming back to
the to the studio the next day and Tupac was
in the room. I didn't know he was in that room.
And a swell Snoop he was the day before. So
soon as I walked in Boyd Park just went crazy.
Everybody started jumping around. He said, I just said your
(27:50):
name two seconds and you walked in the door, and man,
they was losing their mind.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
And he was like, oh, man, listen to this. I
need you to sing this.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
And I said, okay, but I can't do it right
now because I'm here for Snoop. If he come in
and doing I'm saying for you, he's gonna be upsetting
and then.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Uh, and that's how pocket Snoop Beef started.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And then damn child.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
But so uh, I didn't get a chance to do
the record because Snoop we went back in his room.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
He locked her door and turned them. He said loud, loud, loud.
He was knocking. Snoop Pak wanted to do Charlie to
comes in. Woom. Yeah. And about a month later he
got killed. I didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Do you kept you kept Snoop from leaving his wife too.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Oh man, we called him.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
My wife was talking to Chante and downstairs, and I
went upstairs because she was packing and she made an unpack.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Let's say, baby, you need to stay with your husband.
It's all good, you need to And she was down
crying and I went upstairs. I mean, what's up? It's
what up? Want?
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I said, know what's going on downstairs? I said, you
know your wife is getting ready to leave you or
he's like to leave me.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
What you mean?
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I was like, man, she already packing. Mommy down there,
making her take her clothes out like she wouldn't go
in the world. I said, excuse me, she was crying, crying.
Crocodile tears, so she had that stuff gone look at
you at the door. So, uh, I talked to him
(29:22):
a long time about just family and life, and uh,
he sit there and listen to me. He said, Man,
I never heard nobody talk to me like that. So
I was just in his business all the time.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Yeah, but your connection is powerful. You know what I
mean to get snoop and stop smoking for four months
and then you know, even just he just looks up
so you can see you have a very strong connection.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, it was he did. He did exactly what I
asked him to do. Seante did exactly what my wife
asked her to do and make still together.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Wow about Kanye, how y'all connect like that?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I was supposed to have been doing a session with.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Easy mm hmm Easy Is.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
Kanye not that when it's the not jezz Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Get yeah, yeah it was uh yeah, uh uh it was.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He didn't show up.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
We went down to the studio and uh, the guy
said he didn't show up. So they said it's this
playing something. He didn't get something.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I don't know what. It was, some kind of message
they sent to me. I'm like, man, you maybe drive
all the way down there. I was mad as hell.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So I went home. The next day they called Kanye
called that. I said, hell, can Charlie come do the
session with Kanye? I was like like, I said, yeah,
I'll call him. He said, man, you want to go
down to the sing with Kanye. I said yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
So we came in from the back door and I said,
here we go again. I said, where's Kanye.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Tapped me on the shoulder, Oh you here, Yeah, okay.
So we went in there and he played the songs
and my brother had my youngest brother passed, uh two
days after that and uh or something like that, and
Uh we did the songs and he said and I said, uh,
(31:35):
you wanna do something? I said, can we do something
some more? He's like, you want to do part two?
I said yeah, day two. So we went ended up
going to coming here out here and uh and I did.
I don't know how many songs I did. Then he
wanted to produce uh.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
One of the.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Songs, it's called you Are, that was already a hit basically,
so we gave it to him and his his his
people was like yo yo yea a man, it's we
did everything to this recommend it's already done. Man, I
tried everything, everything said, man, just spring the stuff over
(32:17):
in the shit. It was already it was already a hit. Yeah,
but they did some try to do some stuff. Not
not not yet. He diliked left it alone. But uh,
it was already a hit.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
When he came to your Hollywood Walker Fans ceremony, he
had the black mask on, dressed in all black.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Oh yeah, what did you think about that?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well, that's what he's doing. I haven't talked.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I haven't really talked to him about I did talk
to him about it. He made me laugh at what
he said. I'm not gonna say what he said, but
what do.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
You say to.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Him? I said, why do you have the mask on?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
No? He said the reason why I wear the mask?
And he told me what he said, and he just
fell all over me. I laughed so hard I was
almost on the floor. That's when we started taking pictures
when the ceremony was over. And uh, and I laughed
about what he said. So I got you know, he
get he get upset if you hear this, And why'd
you tell the people that?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I So, I ain't gonna say what he's saying.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
But he know what he's doing. He know he getting
the rise out of people exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Kanye ain't crazy.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
He does things what he does, what he wants to do.
And if I'm around, like.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He pumps his brakes, you know a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Did you have that conversation with Kim and Kanye when
they were going through it?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
They say, like, you know what because people listening to you,
because you know, g you've been through it. Because did
you say, Kanye, Kim wife, you go talk to Kim
downstairs and me go talk to Kanye always already to
We didn't do.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It that way, but I did talk to Uh.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
When I called, he would give give kimnedy phone, uh,
you know, or he'll call and give Kim. He'll call
me calling somebody, or he'll call Kim, hand the phone
to her and she's and give it to me. And
I was like, what's that all about? But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I could say that one.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
You know, you could try, but you can't fix everything.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
But I mean, I mean, that's that's that's family too. Family.
He told his people. When we was in Paris.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
I went out there, I did like fifteen records in
two days.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Wow. So everything did he have on his album?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I mean he was I recorded all of those records,
and I did my all of the backs and uh,
and then he wanted me to do all the leads,
and I didn't hear that part he had told he
had told my manager.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I didn't know he wanted me to do all the
ties parts.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I didn't do them all out, and I was trying
to get to it late that night. I was tied
horse and and then I left it alone and were
supposed to come back. So I saw him at my
at my the ceremony. He told me where he was at,
and I said, okay, but I had to come here
to do a lot of stuff. I got Good Morning
(35:18):
America in the morning and nice.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
So just for the new album that you did vocal, ok, gotcha.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
I did all of those, a lot of that stuff,
and he wanted to do he wants to do the
whole album my album and uh.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So we didn't get a chance to do that.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
He wants to ep your new album.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, he wants wanted me to do all
of the stuff that we was doing for him. He
wanted to do a lot of He got a lot
of records, man, so he wanted to take those records
and make a record for me.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
You know you said something earlier man about the Grammys
and how you would never perform there. Now and I
think about this year, Like this year they had Celine
Dion showed up, Jody Mitchell performed there for the first time,
Billy Old was there.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Like as a as a.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Veteran in this game, a legend, you wouldn't want to
do something like that, just dude.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I would love to, but they never asked me. Hey, man,
I'm not doing that no more with them kind of people. Man,
I'm not doing it because I don't have to do that.
You know, the the the pages, it's that all of
that that I've done, and you know it don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's to them. It's fine with me because it don't
really mean nothing to me. But I got.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It because how many people you say, I got the
most number ones and any R and B artists in
this country Billboard number ones than anybody that's solo that's
dead are gonna. Yes, it's hard to get number ones
that R and B urban Back in the day, you
might get the top, you might get two, number two,
(36:49):
you might get top five, but.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
It's hard to get urban number one.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, you might think it's number one because it's been
played a hundred times.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, and when you think about it, it's not really
too many of y'all left.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It's you, it's Stevie Wonder, it's Ronald Eisley.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And none of them. They have no number ones in
a long time, Patty LaBelle, long time. Yeah, but it's
all good.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
She did her thing that you know, gospels what they headed,
and she said, okay, that's fine. You know, if you're
just not giving your life to the Lord, I mean
you should have already have give him given me your life.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Ain't never too late.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
No, no, it ain't never too late.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But I'm saying the reason why I said it is
because you.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Straling the fence.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
Yeah, you know, I get you.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
You said, Patty Leabelle's graddling the fence.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Now, I'm just saying, people that wait, and because you
can't get no more radio.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You want to go gospel gospel.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's what I'm saying. Don't run over it because of that.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Right, I'm not saying Patty did that, But the show
looks like that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Man, what is you talking about?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Something?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I'm the only one been shouting on the stage ever
at my concert so I ain't never stopped praising God
never ever, ever, ever. So the lady asked me yesterday,
you're gonna do a gospel album? I said I would
love to. But since you're over here on the station,
when if I do one, you tell him that Charlie
Wilson been doing gospel all his life, and he's been
doing R and B all his life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So lets don't y'all try to.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Get you church folks, just just try to nail him
up against the wall because he ran over there. It's
not that I'm running nowhere. I've been praying and praying
two or three times a day, asking God for what
I need to have, and so I quit asking him
for what I need.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I just started thanking him. Now, Lord, I know I
got a whole lot.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
I just want to thank you for everything I've ever
gotten and everything that I didn't get. So I thank
you because the scription says in all things, give things,
and so that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Now you know, I'm having a good time. Man. Sometimes
I can't get the words out say what I'm trying
to say.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
What else is is what else is left for you?
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Though?
Speaker 9 (39:04):
Like what else would you like to do?
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Is something that you want to do that you feel
like you haven't done yet in your career. At seventy one,
still smoking hot.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, I would like to continue doing music with these kids.
And they still calling. Yeah, they're still calling, So they're
gonna keep me relevant.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
Yeah, you don't see retirement no time soon.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well, if you gotta, if you retire, you gotta get
you gotta retire from being retired.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
I already know that guy's gonna go because the a't
gonna stop. So they haven't stopped calling me yet. So
I'm having a good time.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
And if I can just continue to do that, and
I don't know what else I can do other than
make records and uh uh, I got a documentary that
I'm getting ready to do because I have to tell
it on my side of the story the correct way.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
That you're gonna let them know the truth and nothing
but the whole nothing but the truth of the whole truth,
for nothing but the whole truth exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And you know, I w TMZ was like, why do
you want your brother to make no money? What you got?
Hear his man and everybody elses, what what are you
talking about? But anyway, it's all good.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
And I went through all of that, and and I
love my family.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I said, I don't forgive all of everybody that's ever
done anything to me. I don't care. And I said,
you know.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
They said, well you wait, man, when next time you
go do this this festival? You make you sure you
get sixty? I said, man, that's my payroll. What are
you talking about? What are you talking about crumbs? Because
that's what you've been used to doing. That's not my payroll. Buddy.
You'd have a baby right now, a man having a
(40:41):
baby if you found out what I was getting.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Jolly man can have babies.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
No, No, they cannot.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
No.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
If I'm having a baby, I'm gonna run the other way.
You won't see me no where around for some man
having a baby.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
What is your relationship like with the ogs? With the
people I just named?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Man a cool We're all good, We all man, we're
all good.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
I'm having a good time man and everybody, Uh, they
all see me getting getting the flowers of people have
given me that they know that I deserve and that
I shouldn't have got, should have gotten a long time ago.
But I'm happy, man, in my life, because I'm happy
with my my my immediate family. That's my life now,
(41:34):
my support family and my real family. So hey, man,
there's nothing that I need. I was always telling my wife, listen,
I just got to get this eight hundred million from
this to get this lot off. She was like, what
are you gonna do with that? I said, what what's mean?
(41:56):
It's is what are you gonna do with all of that?
I said, I don't know. Maybe just was throw it
over you, you know, on the top of the bed,
sleep on it.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
What She was like, you don't need that, we don't
need that. We have enough.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
I was like, come on, baby, it's a lot of
I want to you know, I want to take you
on the cruise.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's like, you know these yachts.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
Yeah, four hundred foot yachts whatever. I was like, let's
get do So she said, I don't want to do
that and we don't need that.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I said, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So you didn't played a lot of You didn't play
a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I've been playing a lot of I think, to god,
he because we don't need that.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
You think we could ever rebuild something like Black Wall Street.
You made me think about that just now.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Man, I would love to build it. That would be great.
You can do that with the mill. That would be
great to do that, and in my hometown, it would
be great. Ah if I had, if I got the
two bill and one of them, a lot of those
hit hard like that. That's why I would go to
(43:08):
do that.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Rebuild Black Wall Street in your hometown.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Yes, because that is where it was. That's greenwood, greenwood, greenwood,
arch and pine. That's right down there on Greenwood. Yes, sir,
so that's what I would do. I'm glad you said that, man.
But I'm having a good time in life, man, and
I don't need nothing. She's right, I don't really need nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
We have a lot. We have love, and that's all
we really need. You know.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Well, we appreciate you for joining us. And I told
you last time you said, you know, we can make
it all right? Was my wedding song and a cappella. Yeah,
the words in that song, if you never listen.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
To it, you just google it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Listen to the words and we can make it all right.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
They don't put nothing on your voice any Charlie when
you're in the studio.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
That's all I drank.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
I drunk a lot of it before I go saying
I have to have at least a gaunt the water
in my system.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Here.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
He takes all the mucles and everything down. I used
to warm up a different way and and uh. And
one guy said, you're doing all that. That's not it.
You're rolling up, warming up the wrong way. I said, Well,
that's what I was talking about seth Riggs years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
He said, but that was the old school way. But
I'm just like, just drink this water. Man. I was like, Wow,
that's good for me.
Speaker 9 (44:23):
I like it't been doing it ever since.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
That's all I've been doing.
Speaker 9 (44:27):
Still hitting them vocals like that.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
Man, I got it. Can I say this about uh
baby face? I will tell you something.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
He wrote a song for the Gap Band and me
years ago, and it was.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want to Rock with your baby.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So he wrote that song for me.
Speaker 5 (44:53):
Wow, but it wasn't that wasn't the original version he
produced that in there because he left the a version
because he had wrote that for the Gap Band and
me and me. So uh So the other day he said, man,
when we was he was doing his speech, he was
talking about you know that he came down to the
(45:14):
total experience and he left him and said, no trying
them said he.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Don't like that record.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
People they man, he ain't lied on me, man, And
so all those years Kenny was mad. He was really
hurt about that that came out and said, I said
that we don't like the record.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
But now man, he said, Man, I found the original
of that. I want to hear that.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
I said, come on, man, get the thing together. Let's
go put the record out. Because and then up with
Bobby Brown end up.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
With the record, right, yeah, absolutely classic.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, I said, why did you give all my records
to Bobby Brown? Man? What happened? Evan?
Speaker 5 (45:51):
Then it's got about that, man.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Every record that he did was for me.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Come on, man, that was reverence because you didn't like
the records.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Bobby he gave it everything.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Yeah, because he thought I said that he can't produce
and he can't produce for the gap bed and all that.
So he stayed mad, angry, hurt feelings. Not angry, but
hurt feelings. Twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Wow, wow, long time baby faith of Kenny Kenny.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Okay, okay, yeah, babyface.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
And I been used to tell him, I man, I swear,
I said, man, I swear, I'm god.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
I never ever said that.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
And I told him he used to tell him a
year after year after year after year, and finally he said,
like I said, Man, he didn't say this.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
I believe it. Now I believe it. Yeah. I don't
know man, whoever was, but I know my problem. My
brother said it.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Yeah, so it's just miscommunication.
Speaker 9 (46:47):
It was a lie.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
There was a lie, a lie. But I mean listening,
that's God right, because we don't get Bobby Brown.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
If that don't happen, maybe if.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I would Charlie like I wanted to.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I wanted that record.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I wanted that record because well, first of all, I
never heard it, but when I heard his version, because
what what Kennedy did? He just went on produced the record,
produced the producer till it got what it would be
for Bobby. You know, it would work for him, you
know because after Yearning for Your Love, that Rock with
You record was that was the next record for us.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
That's why he brought.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
It, and it would have followed Yearning for Your Love.
And it didn't get it didn't work it, it didn't
make it. So but now she's good because I'm gonna
get the record I was supposed to have in the
in the beginning, man, he said, just give me a
little time. I have it ready, I was, like, asked Mica.
(47:44):
I said, how he saydn't rushim, don't rush, just let
him going on do it. I said, I ain't gonna
rush him. So he should be through with it about a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
So he working on something for you know.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
He's working on it now.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
So y'all doing another the O G version of I
Want to.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Rocket, the very first version of it. Wow.
Speaker 7 (48:02):
Yeah, every little step had to be Bobby though, because
you couldn't dance like Bobby.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
What? Wow, what you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Like that?
Speaker 5 (48:13):
Get Alex class up that thing for you?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
He said, I had to be trying to come on, man,
you can't do that step.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Bobby was no joke with them feet now, man, John,
he wasn't no joke.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
But guess where he got it from. Man, come on, man,
you gotta understand them kids. I took them kids on
their first tour new edition. Yeah it was a gap
band and uh and but the other guys would always say.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
It was Rick James. Rick James ain't showed you no steps, man,
he can't dance. Got wrong with you.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Rick James wasn't getting taken all his clothes off it
was me hoping the speakers.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
You didn't Rick James didn't. He was doing the same
day he saw me du because I was on.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I was a roll with him too.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, come on man, Yeah, but his buddies they didn't
want but they didn't want to give me that.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
That's all good and no problem. Bibuld just be sitting
like this.
Speaker 5 (49:07):
He dropped his head when they're still talking because he
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I don't don't go, get ship, don't go.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
You don't play with him? Now, you don't play with
y'all play with him. I got some move now.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I was just show he was.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
He was humping the speaker, he was, he was, don't
play with him, now, don't play with.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
I was.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
I was taking on my shirt and that was everything.
And and was pulling them gonna pull him down.
Speaker 5 (49:35):
And and uh and uh, and the squirrels were screaming
hot they my brothers coming.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I don't pull them down. It's like it was just
like a little acting all over that floor. All over
the floor. Man, I'll be humping speaker, slide down, hump
the other one.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
It was all what what other records that you you
miss out on? Like you like damn, I should have
did that.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Well, no, it's just it's like I used to talk
to Teddy and I said, I come on, man, y'all
know you know that uh uh my paratic you know
all that stuff Bobby did. I said, you know that's yeah, man,
it was for you, you know, but I was thinking
of you because you know that's what we got our
(50:16):
That's why I got my stuff from it. So you
forget man throw the floor he called it foe to
the floor, and uh but it so, I mean, it's
just all that was. That was I was the move.
I played the move base on all of the records.
On the up tempos, I played those basis bass parts,
(50:36):
so he copying that parts and and.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
It's all good. Man.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
It was the way back A long time ago. Man,
I don't trip no more. But I felt it was good.
And when I first heard guy, I said, I was like,
a man, is that my voice?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I thought it was some I was like, man, I
was like, wow, you was inspiration. Yeah it was it
was Aaron. Aaron said, man, I carried your picture in
my back pocket. Wow. I was like, wow. Okay, that
boy was saying, I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
They give you the credit though they always have. Yeah, Aeron,
he was talking too much. They made him stop talking
about it, teach me. I was like, man, he would
be the saying, oh man, it was Aaron was something else.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Man, it's still like my son today. I love him
to death.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
All over the world wherever I was going out to
see him and we would just be talking.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
He did yearning for your love. I said, let me
do one one of your records, just because you did
one of one of ours.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
And so I loved him. Man, I still love guy.
That was hope that they could get it back because
I used to tell him. I said, I know you
shaved your head, and that bought and shaved his head.
He got a cane and r Kelly. I said, Aaron,
don't let him put another record out. You gotta go
(52:11):
and put your record out. Y'all put another record out.
Then all of a sudden, I don't see nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
I said, Okay, it's on now.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Man. You told him that.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Hell yeah, so you seen him.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
You've seen it happening.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
Yeah, I've seen it happen. I said, don't let him
put another record out. You got to put a record
out now. And then they didn't get that fast enough,
because when that said coming to that bumping.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Ground, I was like, it's gone.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
Now he gone, you know, so it's no getting it back.
When the art to do that, R Kelly went back
in those days. He kept writing and writing and writing
and writing, and it didn't stop. And then you know,
you gotta wait on Teddy. Teddy is writing for everybody,
Heavy Dan, the boys. He's going he right for everybody.
So he ain't back at a guy right now. He
ain't doing that. And you know Black Street, he's doing
(52:59):
a lot of other stuf.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
Now you see I do hear a lot of Charlie
in airon now when you say that, like, don't be
afraid that could have definitely.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Been Man, come on, man, this is my kids. Yeah,
it happened a long time ago back there. Yeah, but
I'm having fun. I had fun then, I'm still having fun.
I love all those guys, and I love all of
the kids that are coming now to me and and
and still getting the records, and it makes me feel good.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I ain't gonna hold y'all all day. Man, I see
you over there. He's ready to go. Boy. I love
I got a lot of them, but I ain't gonna.
I ain't gonna say it.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
I can't see my I can't see my manager's face.
He's behind it. But if he was over there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
He'd be like, that's good.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
Stories before like before sober sobriety.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
We get mad, he'll tell me when he don't want
me to do he'll be.
Speaker 4 (53:49):
Like mm hmm, yeah, cut it out.
Speaker 5 (53:54):
Because sometimes I have been telling some of the stuff
that was done to me, and I get it excited
because I did that yesterday. I was I was just.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Going going, and I got angry. I was like, I
wasn't angry.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
I just took too far, and I said, you know what,
we can get sued, So don't put that out. Don't
don't play that. Yeah, lady said, okay.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
What was it about people get sued?
Speaker 5 (54:15):
I just said that because it shouldn't heard like that.
I was going at it too hard about it, and
you off. You kind of got a little angry at
then you, sir.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
But I respect y'all.
Speaker 7 (54:24):
You got your supporters, and you got your wife, you
got your manager, and you even turned to them to
look and see a lot of people don't even they.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Don't listen to the people around.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
No, No, they're just going at it and then they
getting the getting some paperwork in four days from that.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I don't care, man, I said, I'm gonna say
what I gotta saying.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
Should you you paid? You paid the cost? You that
you've grown seventy one?
Speaker 9 (54:44):
Listen, that's what.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Y'all gonna do next? Man, What you're gonna do next? Man?
Speaker 8 (54:49):
Keep running his mouth up here every day, every day,
keep running his mouth. He keeps saying, Okay, why would
you ask me?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
He cannot God, he cannot dance. He cannot sing a dance.
Now you know what I can do for fifteen years.
You can't do none of that.
Speaker 7 (55:07):
He's basically telling you to close the interview. But you
don't get the hint he told you.
Speaker 4 (55:10):
He did it twice to you already.
Speaker 9 (55:12):
He's got nothing going on, and people come up here.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Twice and I know you're ready to go. Then he said,
what y'all want to do next?
Speaker 1 (55:23):
And you ain't?
Speaker 4 (55:24):
You just staring at him. Thank you for coming, mister Wilson.
We appreciate you. Let's play Superman right now.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Many males introduce it.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Let's introduce the record, y'all.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
This is Uncle Charlie Charlty last name Wilson. This is
my new single. It's cause Superman.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
It's The Breakfast Club, Good Morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
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