January 10, 2025 • 32 mins
The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Desean Jackson To Discuss Coaching Delaware State, Earning Respect, Fatherhood. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Headed coach of the Delaware State Hornets. Ladies and gentlemen,
Deshaun Jackson.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Welcome, brother, gratulations, Come on, man, appreciate you all for
having me. Man, it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How you feeling, first and foremost?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Brother, Man, It's surreal man, Honestly, bro, I'm in a
position man, you know, going We're just going through my
whole life and my accomplishments, obviously playing at a high
level since I've been a littlegit little kid, you know,
from Pop Winner all the way to high school to
college and obviously my NFL career were in New York
right now, so I know a lot of New York
just hate me for a little bit. But you know,
it's all good. But man, honestly, man for a circle
(01:44):
to be a head coach and the nflctor retiring two
years ago, manute, it's a surreal feeling. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I love seeing brothers like you get these kind of jobs.
But it's obvious the obviously these get going for the
money because a lot of the to use just don't
have it, So what what what?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What is the motivation?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Honestly, man, it's to change young kids' lives. Man, give
them opportunities, give them hope. I mean really the visionary
for myself was coming for where I came from. Grew
up in Los Angeles, California, whereally didn't have a lot
of resources, didn't have a lot of hope. Moms pops
didn't really have a lot of money to help. So
sports and ball was my only way out. So I
feel like a lot of young black kids, a lot
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of kids in general, you know, coming from the area
as we come from. I mean to have a guy
like myself that knows every step of the way to
get there. I mean, why not go touch these young kids' lives, man,
to help them change their lives?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
How to come about?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
How did why Delaware? How did that position happen?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
People say why Delaware? I say why not? Though, But honestly,
so I was last year was my first year of
coaching high school, and my older brother had a opportunity
to get a coaching job in Long Beach before I
went to Long Beach. Probably when the number with the
number one high school in America have put you know,
guys into the NFL. So when I had I had
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a call. My brother's like, man, I could get a job,
but it's in Long Beach. But it wasn't the high
school I went to. It was like a rival school.
So I'm like, ah, that's gonna be hard to do.
But when you got the job, I was like, man,
you get it. I'm gonna come work with you. Man.
I got an opportunity to go coach on the last year,
and I fell in love with it. Obviously, I played
fifteen years and I can't get back to go out
there and catch touchdown. So going out there and helping
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them young kids and train them, it just like it
kind of mashed that void that I missed from catching
touchdowns to training these young kids. And it was like
I got into it and I fell in love with him,
man I said. Man, I got an opportunity to really
change these young kids' lives. I got so much knowledge
and insight on the game. It would be crazy for
me not to get it back to these young guys
and you know, help them do every step. Or they
were to have the Delaware call or did you reach
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out to Delaware?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How did that happen so.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Delaware, Delaware State. Actually, one of a good friend of
mine hit me and he was like, well, you want
to coach college football? I'm like college football, Like, I
just played fifteen years in the league. You know how
my time is just everything in my path. I'm like,
I'm chilling feet kicked out them at the house. I
ain't working because you know, it's a lot a lot
of people don't understand the hard work to go. I
was going to be a professional athlete. So when I
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got the call, I'm like college football. I'm like, I'm
having a heck of a time right now. Coach in
high school college, that's time. That time is crazy. I'm like, nah,
I don't want to do it. Literally, like an hour later,
I got another call from coach Clark, who's like a
big brother mentor to me, and he was like, bro,
you interested in the coach in college. I'm like, hold on,
what the hell is going on? Is getting crazy now?
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I was like, man, ain't you in school? Because he's
a teacher. I'm like antient and school, I said, man,
calling back later and we'll talk about it. So I
sat back and thought about it. I was like, you
know what I'm gonna consider it, and literally less than
forty eight dollars. I'm on a flight going to Delaware.
So they actually inquired on me and reached out through
a few mutual you know guys I knew, and it
was like, Man, I had to go take this opportunity, man,
I said, I couldn't pass on it for something I
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really want to do it. Obviously, it's changing young kids' lives.
I was like, Man, I ain't gonna pass on this one.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know what I hate, man, I hate the fact that,
like I didn't even know you coached that Woodrow Wilson
High School until you got the job at Delaware State,
for sure, And I'm like, why the hell wasn't people
amplifying that. Why wasn't the media talking about that? Because
if you did some bullshit.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
For sure, bro, I mean for me, man, I think
throughout my career, men, a lot of you know what
has followed me, and you know, I don't I don't
like to use the word that. Unfortunately it is what
it is. Growing up you know, Los Angeles around the
gang culture, and you know, obviously the stigma he's hanging
around with the wrong people, he's doing the wrong things.
But throughout my career, like you know, I've never went
to jail. You know, I've never had no feelings, you know,
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So it's like I'm I'm kind of put in that
box just because I grew up and you know, the
guys I do hang around with may partaking certain things,
but at the end of the day, that's the culture
and that's the next where I come from. So for me,
like I never turned my back on them, I never
made it. And it was like, you know what, I
can't go to Crenshawn Sauce. I can't go to Crenshawn Vernon.
I ain't gonna go to the Mert Park. That's my
ears in. Like I love to go back and support
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and help pull guys out of the area because I
know how I feel to be stuck in there and
have no hope to go anywhere else, you know what
I mean. So for me, like I just try to
you know, iilize the guys that you know, I looked
up to my older brother who's here right now. I
got having the camera on my face since I've been
a little kid, like every step of the way, it's
always been a vision and I have people around me
to believe in my vision and help me, you know,
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be or pushed me through every step of the way.
And you know, now I'm able to really put a
lot of lights on it. And you know, Amazon came
through and we did a deal with them. But we're
gonna be releasing a documentary and this far coming up.
So it's just a lot of shrill things going on,
and I'm just blessed, that's what's up. Did you ever feel.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Like at some point, like this is way before you
even got drafted, did you ever feel like doubt because
they remember they were saying that you were too small,
your friend was too small. It was cool which your
frame was too small, You have have doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Honestly, me personally, I never had doubt. I just used
all the naysayers and all the doubts to like fuel
my fire. So knowing I was always the smallest, one
of the smallest, but like I was always the fastest.
So I'm like my dad used to always say, well
if they can't hit you, and they can't, if they
can't catch you, they can't hit you. You know what
I'm saying. So like for me, I just kind of
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every step of way obviously couldn't nobody predict that I
was gonna be in NFL for fifteen years? Like the
average crew in the NFL is three and a half years.
I came in that since they went in two thousand
and eight. No one would have never predicted me to
play fifteen years. So for me, I just I love
the doubting. Right now I'm facing some more doubt. You know,
people like man he ain't never coached college. All the
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hell y'all gonna go hire at DeShawn Jackson to be
a head coach at Delaware State University. And for me, like,
there's no shoes that are too big for me. I
feel like I could feel any shoe there is made.
And obviously having like a guy like coach Andy Reid
who was my coach in Philadelphia, Deon Sanders, who's like
a mentor to me. You know, I feel like I'm
surrounding myself around great people. It's not gonna allow me
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to feel and I'm not gonna allow myself to feel.
So I think the biggest thing about a head coach
and being in a position like this, you gotta surround
yourself and around I mean, you got to surround yourself
with people to help you be successful. And for me,
I'm gonna put some heavy hitters in the position. I
can't let y'all know who I'm hiring, but I'm hiring
some guys that got a lot of experience played in
the NFL, coaching and feel and coach at college at
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a high level. So I'm excited for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I was going to ask when it comes to recruiting
players HBCU sometimes have a little tough especially sometimes you know,
people go to the.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Major schools, right because they feel like they get.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Better looks on television, and sometimes they feel the facilities
are a lot better when training and things like that.
So how do you combat that part of it?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You really want to know absolutely, I'm about to come
holler at you. You went to hire y'all got that Joran sponsor?
I went to well, honestly, man, for me, it's sponsorships
in Hampton football for sure. I think, you know, just
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with the resources, like you spoke on me having a name,
having a guy that had the success I had, I
think it's a little easier. Obviously, you go back at
what Deon Sanders did at Jackson State. He kind of
put the plan down, He put the infrastructure down, He
kicked the door up and forgot. I was like myself
and Michael Vick obviously, I'm sure you guys seen the
(09:04):
Michael Vick get the position at Norfolk State. You know,
for me, that's like a big brother me. Man, we
got a great relationship. I grew up looking up to
Michael Vick and he kind of knocked the door down
before I did. But it's crazy because when he got
he called me. It was like I got an opportunity
to either be at Sack State or Norfolk State. He
was like, You're gonna be my first hire. So at
the same time, I was like, I'm interested, but I
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was trying to like playing, not playing, but like kind
of keep them limbo because I knew I would potentially
have my own position, so I was trying to really
figure it out. But I mean with them type of names, man,
obviously Deon Sanders, Michael Vick, and then you have Deshaun Jackson,
like we set up for this, and for me, I
think Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders obviously showed a lot
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of players that are big that you can go to
an HBCU ball out and still go to a Power
five and still go get the nil money and do
everything and still be successful. So I think it's a
little more popular now. Before that, I don't see people
doing it like myself when I when I I was
coming out. Obviously, I came out in two thousand and
five and I was a big time recruit and I
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always wanted to go to an HBCU. But for me,
I was like too big to go to one. But
my dad went to put through and cook me and
my mom went to do Cainge. So for me, it's
just a history man. It's the culture man, and I'm
I'm pumped up ready for for real.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Why why don't HBC use well, why don't they have
more money to make high as like yours? And how
do we increase that? How do we get them that money?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Great question I think for myself. Honestly, if we're going
to talk about money, me being the head coach at
Delaware State wasn't about money. You know, at the end
of the day, my career and the money I've made
on the field obviously is an honor and a blessing.
But taking this position, it wasn't like I'm about to
take this position. I'm about to become some crazy million
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dollar coach right away, you know what I'm saying. So
for me, it was just a vision. It was the
energy I felt when I went to Delaware. The people
I met, obviously doctor Allen, doctor Hawkins, Tony Tucker to
can start, who was my guy that actually made this happen.
When I when I stepped foot on that campusit it
was just like the morale was like you could tell
the people around just wanted to win. They had it
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eager for winning. It's like in the past two years
they won two games. I mean, like, this is not
an ideal situation for me, but it is because I
know I'm a winner, so no situation scares me. So
when I came into that that building, that facility, like
like you said, it wasn't it's high schools that are
better than our facilities.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I didn't even know they had a football team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Damn. That's how you feel, though. That's real. But I mean, honestly,
like I've heard about Delaware State, but I ain't really
know too much about Delawares State either. In Philadelphia is
right down the road. You know. I spent a lot
of time in Philadelphia. I played for the Washington football team.
They don't call them the team I used to play for,
no more. They Commanders or whatever it is, or that
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I don't like that name. But then I played for
Baltimore as well too, the Ravens my last year in
the league. So I'm surrounding in the same area. Man.
I really took a liking to Philadelphia because all we see,
I'm a Cali dude. So when I got drafted to Philadelphia, like,
I played for six teams, but Philadelphia was one of
the best places I played in. Man, so I feel
like I'm at home. Man. I really, I really want
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to put a gate around Delaware, around Philadelphia, around DMV,
around Baltimore, because at the end of the day, it's
a lot of talent that goes unnoticed and all these
guys are going to other places, you know what I'm saying.
So for me, I think it's huge. And that was
a part of the pitch when I at the interview
for the head coaching job. It's like, I mean, you
have Deshaun Jackson coming in here. Now. A lot of
these kids when I was playing in Philadelphia were kids
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that were five seven years you know, six seven years old,
and now they in high school. I'm gonna go into
the house and talk and it's like, wow, I remember you.
I'm a Philadelphia Eagle fan. So it just makes it
a little easier.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dig.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Did your mentality have to change at all going from
players to coach?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
For sure? Man? How do I answer that? When I
think with this situation, obviously I did have to clean
it up a little bit. And the reason why I
would say that is because me and Lashan McCoy, who's
somebody you know, I have a lot of respect for
and it's like a brother to me. We was doing
a podcast and uh, you free on that podcast. You
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can say what you want, you can do, you can dream,
you know, whatever the case may be. So for me
now being the head coach, it's a lot of things
that I was having freedom to do and just relax
just because you know what, I worked hard, I did
my thing, and now I could let my hair down
a little bit, so you know, a snap and finger.
You know, I had to clean up. But I think
throughout my whole career was like that, because when you
walk into these offices, or you walk into these owners
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or these coaches, you know, you just can't be in
there just being yourself. You know what I'm saying. You
got to clean up and you gotta pertrain a certain image.
So for me, like I've been used to that, I
know how to turn the switch on and off. And
I think the biggest thing is when you leading a university,
you know, you have to be the resemblance of what
you want your young men to look like. So I mean,
you just you just want them to own own up
to the responsibility of being young man, to be responsible,
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to work hard, and just all the characteristics you want
in a young man to be able to be a
grown man when you're done with them. And I think
the biggest thing is when I walk in the door,
I look at these young men like young men when
they leave out that during that graduate I want them
to become grown man. So you just got to start
principles and just let them know. And I think the
biggest thing for me is I know what it looks like.
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I know what they I know what the next level wants.
I know the things not to do and what to
do because I'm not the perfect pitch. You know, I
did a lot of things that you know, I had
to learn from and and now looking back, especially the
social media space. Like I posted a lot of things
when I was young, and the older God was like, damn,
I wish I didn post that. Damn I always I
want to show with that.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
But it also shows them that you are relatable to Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
You got stigmas all that type of stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So you don't claim show.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Sure, don't claim it. Just say a I for real,
that's real. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I know Kevin Hart your gout, Sir Kevin Hart came
up here and he said some things about Delaware state.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Culture.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
When you don't let it go, come on, let it be.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Know why did you go since she didn't, I thought
I was trying to university.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You just a bunch of niggas.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Delaware.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I know he's a huge Eagle fan. I know you
guys are close. Did you call him and you got
the job and be like, bro, you got to take
that back. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
See what's crazy is I didn't even know about that
viral moment until like maybe like a few hours ago.
It wasn't a viral just in Delaware was so so
when I heard when I heard about what he said,
I reached out to him, and you know, I tried
to get him to call in to apologize you because
you know, now your little hommy is the head coach
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over there. But uh, you know he's dealing with all
the fires and I think he's shooting up a show
right now. But one thing I'll said about Kevin Man,
Kevin is a great dude and got a great relationship
with him. I know he just say thing, you know
how he is, Kevin just saying comedy, Kevin just joking.
He just be popping it. But for sure Kevin's gonna come.
He gonna come support. I mean, you know his roosts
for Philadelphia and being a huge Eagle fan. You know,
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he was like, man, what I need to do? Y'all
got a building I can put my name on. I'm like,
we got a whole lot of stuff you can put
your name on. It's HBCU. We gonna need you. So
I'm looking forward to build a lot of relationship and
I got a lot of relationships with you know, like
Michael Rubin is a guy that I reached out to
and you know he congratulated me as well too. So
just looking forward to put on our resources man and
bring it together. Man, because I think we got a
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big opportunity, man, to change the perspective on HBCUs Man,
and I'm I'm stoked. I'm ready to get it going
for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know, you know what when you become a when
you become a parent, you start looking at your parents different,
like you kind of just appreciate them more and respect
them more and understood what they went through. Now that
you're a coach, do you feel like that about your
old coaches because you probably.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Give them your I promise I did. And you know
it's crazy because when I was younger, my mom was like,
you bad, but your kids are gonna be that much
more bad than you are. So now obviously I got
two sons six and nine, and my nine year old boy,
he would give me a run for my money. So
I'm like, man, I feel what you're saying. But Craig,
you said that because I was in the team meeting
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with the guys that met him for the first time
like two days ago, and I could just see like, man, like,
these dudes gonna give me a run for my money.
But it's a good thing because it's relatable, you know
what I'm saying. I literally was just in their seats.
I know what they want to do, and I'm not
trying to sit here and police them like you young man,
like you know right from wrong. If you want to
be an elite scholar athlete, it's certain things you have
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to do. I mean, it got to look a certain way,
and it's the nature to Beninson. Now, it's a lot
of money involved in these colleges, like you able to
get paid for it, so I'm able to really walk
in there and say, look, if you want xyz, this
is what you gotta do. You know what I'm saying.
And if you don't do it like this, Delawaes State
might not be your fit. You know, it's unfortunate. But
I want guys that want to do this. I want
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guys that want to play at the next level, Like
I know what I want to accomplish there. And like
I said, I don't got time to wait. We don't
got time to mess around, Like we're not rebuilding. We
coming there right now. We want to win this year.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Have you thought about that, like what Chaulaman said, Like
you know, these students might come in there, someone might
be feeling themselves a little bit talk too, a little crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
When you're in the league, you could talk back. I'm
sure you can talk to your coach.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You know, you might have to go move some furniture,
but now you're a coach, you can't move that furniture.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You can't move that furniture. But one thing I will say,
I think it's a respect It's a respect level. And
I always say, like, how do you like when you
first meet somebody, Like do you come in there and
just expect or like, say you you got a job
or you're a boss and you hire somebody, like, yeah,
you might have an authority, but you're not just gonna
talk to him any type of way. Now, you do
have certain bosses that do feel like, you know what,
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I'm gonna talk to you any type of way, and
I don't care how you feel, but like, is he
really gonna run runt through a wall for you? So
for me, it's like my perspective, if I'm gonna come
here and ask you to do certain things, I'm a
mutual build that report with you before I just come
at you crazy and talk to you crazy, because it's
like I may expect you to run through a wall
for me, and you I don't know you, like I
don't trust you. You got to build that before you
just run through a wall. So I feel like building
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that trust and letting them know, like you know what
I was once in your position. I know where you
want to go. Let me help you get there. Follow
my steps. I can't make I can't go play for you.
I did my thing on the field. I can't go
play for you. D Jack can't go on the field
and go catch a pass for you. But I can
tell you what it takes to get there, and if
it's on you to follow me. Like I told my players,
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I love y'all, and I don't use that word lightly.
I said I love y'all, but it's on y'all to
make me not love y'all. You know what I'm saying.
So if I turn my back on you, it's because
you made me turn your back. It's not because I
didn't think. Because at the end of the day, I'm
coming in with love. I'm giving y'all love. I'm not
coming in here trying to be your daddy. Y'all got dads,
I got kids. But at the end of the day,
y'all gonna respect me. Because if y'all respect me, I'm
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gonna get you where you I'm gonna get you to
where you want to go to.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
And then a good thing to always go to, always
humble them, is y'all are in Delaware.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
There ain't nothing out your head. We're gonna turn out.
You come to the game, bring it back. You know,
you gotta come support it. But there ain't nothing in Delaware.
They got nothing to do but staying in. But yeah,
for sure, you know it's crazy. So within the past
two three days I've been out there. I've been driving
going to get food because obviously dovers like everything is
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on this one strip. So we're driving out. I seen
probably like ten of my my student athletes were driving
down in the car that like coach like, man, look
it's another player. There's another player. So it's like it's
real close and it's like it's family oriented. For sure.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You might need that at this point in your life,
cause you say, you do fifteen years your time you
was quiet, but you still have Cali's off for sure,
run all your family, your friends. You might need that
that quiet life.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I definitely do. And I think for me, man, it's
a great time because those who really know me, after
my fifteen year career is over, I retired in twenty
two two when I played for the Ravens. So right
when I tired, I got both my kids full time
and their mom wasn't around, So I think that really
helped me too, and that really like put some discipline in,
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you know, because if I didn't have them, I would
have probably been traveling, spending money, blowing money. I would
have been everywhere. Because obviously people don't understand. So it's
not only fifteen years, it's the three years before that,
and maybe one or two years before that when I
was in high school, because I was a high profile
player coming out of high school. So you gotta think
all them years of non stop working out, training, this, that,
and the third. So it was twenty twenty two when
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I retired where I was like, I could have really
just splurged and just went crazy. But I got my
kids full time, so that really helped me sit down,
and I was taking them to school, picking them up,
taking them to sports, and doing a lot of things.
So I think last year was like, all right, hold on,
I just did that for a whole year. I said,
now it's time. I can't beat the baby daddy and
the baby mama. I said, I got to go coach.
Went to go coach with my older brother, Uh, Coach
(21:52):
Clark who's in the building. And I just give a
huge shout out to Coach Clark. He's a huge inspiration
on my life and not only to my life, ment
to a lot of a lot of young men. He
put a lot of young guys into college active college
players right now that the ballers. Man, I'm excited for
his journey because this was a dream come true for
him to get this spot in his position.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And he's coming with you.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He come. I made him my assistant head coach, man
because just for everything he meant to me and what
he did, I missed the dream come true. Man, He's
leaving his family, he's leaving his daughters, he left his
school that we just built some crazy that it's never
been happening one hundred years. And he coming. Man. So man,
I just want to tell.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
What about someone like you know, like I said, you know,
even with the coaching thing that Woodrow was in high school,
there's things that people don't amplify.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I didn't know that you had.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Custody in kids because you go the way around, right
the daddy wasn't around. Why wasn't the mother around?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So some personal things went down. So, you know, we
was we were trying to work out our situation, and
throughout our situation, I was actually I was playing for
the Los Angeles Rams in twenty twenty one, and uh,
throughout that period of time, you know, we was back
and forth on and off for about six or seven years,
and it just came a point of time where we
couldn't really figure it out. She left and you know,
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start dealing with some individual and the principles didn't the line,
you know what I'm saying. The guy she was dealing
with didn't aligne to what I was preaching and doing
over here, and we kind of just didn't see eye
to eye. We didn't talk, we lost communication. And for me,
like I'm a very respectful man, and I understand when
you're in a partnership and you have kids with somebody,
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you have to ligne and the things on the line,
like I'm not gonna have my kids be around somebody
that I can't talk to them, or I can't know
where their location is, or I'm not going for that
like my dad did. In't start all principles in me
and I would never turn my back on my kids.
So I'm very influential on my kids' life. And uh yeah.
So it just went and we didn't talk, and I
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was like, I'm grabbed my kids and it was nothing,
you know, nothing too personal. But at the end of
the day, I just had to grab my kids, man,
And for me, that was like I could not be
one of them. Dass, it's just not around. Man. Then
you got two boys and I love them death.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It wasn't like a court situation.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I mean, it almost got to some court stuff, but
like we really figured it out before the end and
so it didn't really have to get messy because you know,
of course it's public. You try like hi, you try
to close case and all that, and it just kind
of got to to atter. So I was like, you
know what, let me just you know, get them, and
she granted them to me and stuff, and then we
just kind of did like that. But it's it's good
now because now that I'm coaching, you know, she ain't
dealing with the dude no more, and like me and
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her is cool now. So I'm like, all right, cool,
you're gonna help me Out'm about to get this full
time coaching job. The kids can come back with you
and you know where. Everything's good. So them two years
it was tricky though, but we're good now.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Now you're from la is your family okay, we got there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, man, it's crazy. So I'm supposed to be going
back Saturday. I'm gonna actually stay in town for the
Eagle game on Sunday, but my mom's here. She came
in town for it. But yeah, like my family, it's
kind of more on the outskirts, but a lot of
people in la man, it's you know, it's crazy. Man.
I just want to pray for my city, man, and
you know, hopefully everything gets you know, handles.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just got to ask, you know, before you leave.
You know, the Eagles and Giants rivalry was crazy. I've
been to one game in Philly and I told myself
I'll never go back.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Just the fans in Philly is differently, It's crazy. I
seen nothing like that. I had a baby with me
and they was still we don't care. I'm like Jesus,
but what did you think about the Giants?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Uh lettings at Congo?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Let me seengo.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was the stupidest thing you
could have ever did. And what's crazy? I think like
one of the so it was like a front office
guy who was actually on the Eagles. He worked for
the Eagles and then like he went to New York
and he was in the room because I remember when
they was making the decision and I seen him, like, man,
he used to work for Philly. It's crazy to come
sitting there listening to what they're talking about that like, oh, yeah,
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you know he yead okay year, but you know we
could we could probably just let him go, like we're
not gonna play him. And I'm just listening to the
conversation and to see a year, not even a year later,
he's killing killing at a high level, and I think,
you know, sometimes it's just like you need that fresh start,
you need that energy because you know, when you're at
a team. I hope none of y'all giants fans, but
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when you're I am.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A giant, can we put a uh? I got turned
into this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Way, but talking about a cowboy friend, say at even bad,
But that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Cow girl, I'm a cowboy killer.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I know about it.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
My daddy was a cowboy fan. He's a cowboy fan.
I don't you know, I'm grandfather. Then every year to
say going the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Every that's what they say. My boy, I got a
best friend. He was a diehard cowgirl fan, my bwgirl fan.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And every year this o this our here, this our yere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Then midway through the season, maybe I'm like, bro, y'all
need to just get rid of Jerry Jones. Man, once
you'll get your get rid of him and Jones.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The other day I saw him.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Another day, I saw him the same Boughts and I
told him, I said, man, we gotta get this ship together,
and he hit me with some rich white man ship like.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh yeah, we digged and we were supposed.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
To zag, but.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh yeah you good. Lamar Jackson went crazy this year.
What you'all predicted on the Super Bowl? I actually think
Baltimore Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I don't know why I got a feeling.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
About Baltimore stuff, Baltimore, Philly, the.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Chiefs, I think. I think I think Eagle's gonna get well.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Actually, Baltimore Baltimore. I want to say Baltimore and Philly,
but I think Baltimore in the Lions.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I like it. I like that that could be a
potentials look good.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But I wanted to say to you know, a lot
of these coaches are leaving, especially like old the white coaches,
because they say they can't handle these kids and these
n I L deals. And that's why I think it's
good for guys like you, because you made damn one
hundred million in the league, and I think the one
thing that they're missing. Yeah, they might be making some
money now, but there's a whole bigger, bigger, bigger bag
to get later. And I think only guys that have
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done it like yourself can relate.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
To them kids like that. I mean, you support me, right, yeah,
absolutely supporting d jack Man love HBC.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, he asked for help me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But they said I got y'all for real. I'm locking
with y'all whatever y'all want to put him my Hamp.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I hate you, you know, I like this.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I thought it was how Hamp.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And we don't sclude Eddie George enough either. They always
talked about Mike and Eddie.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
George does this thing over there too. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Now, we definitely come out in support, definitely.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And I saw what Dean said about you. He just
like everybody needs to wrap their arms around your stuff.
Have you always been in your corner like that.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Dion has always been a big influencial for me, man.
I think going back to when I was in high school, Man,
he used to reach out to me and I had
an opportunity to sit with him a few times on
official with him a few times, just really pick his brain. Man.
I think he's he's a special dude. Man. Him and
him and Jerry Rice are like my two mentors. So
to have two guys like that in my corner man
every step of the way, even like while I was playing,
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even before I got to the league. So I mean
that ain't that ain't just a post. He's just posting
like we really locked in and we got a real
great relationship and he's helping out a lot like my think.
I think, you know, in our culture, we don't give
a flowers to people that really like support us and
help us out. I definitely want to give Coach promised
flowers because he's for the culture. He is the culture.
I think he's doing some great things and a lot
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of people still hating on him, like at a big level, Man,
what his sons is doing, like that should dream come
true man for any man. And I know they ball
and he's doing I don't care. Man, if you got
an opportunity to coach your kids and see him at
the highest level and to see like that, I hope
he become the first pick. You know what, Oh no,
y'all can't get him. Well, Tennessee Titans might be able
(29:34):
to do it. Patriots don't.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
They got the first, the Tennessee Titans first. First, the
Titans and the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Then they need to make it the package deal. Man.
Let the daddy and the coach man go in. They
probably come back and get shy later on. Maybe get
Travis at the two. You never know that.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Brime said some fliction on Willow and Gilly said, I
picked it up.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He was like he on something.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He was like, I would coach in the NFL if
I could coach my to.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I'm like, see what you know a little something that
the only way he ain't going back to Colorado is
something like that happening. I know them, man, He's a yeah,
he liked that. It might we might see that. It
might be crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I would love for the Giants to pick him up.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Giants glory, y'all want I mean a non meaningful game,
like why would y'all. That was stupid as hell.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Asked, do y'all ever, I mean in the NFL, do
y'all ever, just say like, there's no sense of winning
this game.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Let's not win this game. Does that conversation happen?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I can't account for that now higher up potentially, yeah,
because they want them number one picks. I believe that happens.
But as a player, you go out there playing around,
you're gonna get hurt and one injury with in your career,
So it's not really worth going out there trying to
bs and mess around in terror a cl or be
knocked out on that. You gotta think them growing in
on that field. They taking care of their families and
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they want their bonuses. So it's a lot of money
riding on them games. So I never partected none that.
I can't speak for nobody else, but I ain't. Ever
they should have just pulled some of the players.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Listen in, let's pull this one out.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Nothing for him to win that game, nothing like, come on,
that was the first home win. You feel me like,
come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's the only game I ain't going I'm like, I'm
not going to We're gonna lose this one.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I'm sitting the house like, what the is going on?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's crazy? Man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man, Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Congratulations again, man, thank you. Absolutely not gonna be the situation, right,
You're not gonna they ain't gonna end U quitting before.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Okay, nothing I do our quitting life. Man, We're gonna
be there to support everything all going. I just want
to tell y'all to man, y'all been killing it with y'all.
Show man. Been watching y'all for a long time. Uh,
rest in peace. Nipsey Hustle, that's my brother, that ship
with him. But I've been watching y'all. Sh y'all do
y'all thing. Man, y'all keep going, man, take it off. Man.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
All right, Well, it's to Sean Jackson, the new head
of the coach, the new head coach for Delaware State Hornets,
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
Headed coach of the Delaware State Hornets. Ladies and gentlemen,
Deshaun Jackson.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Welcome, brother, gratulations, Come on, man, appreciate you all for
having me. Man, it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How you feeling, first and foremost?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Brother, Man, It's surreal man, Honestly, bro, I'm in a
position man, you know, going We're just going through my
whole life and my accomplishments, obviously playing at a high
level since I've been a littlegit little kid, you know,
from Pop Winner all the way to high school to
college and obviously my NFL career were in New York
right now, so I know a lot of New York
just hate me for a little bit. But you know,
it's all good. But man, honestly, man for a circle
(01:44):
to be a head coach and the nflctor retiring two
years ago, manute, it's a surreal feeling. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I love seeing brothers like you get these kind of jobs.
But it's obvious the obviously these get going for the
money because a lot of the to use just don't
have it, So what what what?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
What is the motivation?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Honestly, man, it's to change young kids' lives. Man, give
them opportunities, give them hope. I mean really the visionary
for myself was coming for where I came from. Grew
up in Los Angeles, California, whereally didn't have a lot
of resources, didn't have a lot of hope. Moms pops
didn't really have a lot of money to help. So
sports and ball was my only way out. So I
feel like a lot of young black kids, a lot
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of kids in general, you know, coming from the area
as we come from. I mean to have a guy
like myself that knows every step of the way to
get there. I mean, why not go touch these young kids' lives, man,
to help them change their lives?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
How to come about?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
How did why Delaware? How did that position happen?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
People say why Delaware? I say why not? Though, But honestly,
so I was last year was my first year of
coaching high school, and my older brother had a opportunity
to get a coaching job in Long Beach before I
went to Long Beach. Probably when the number with the
number one high school in America have put you know,
guys into the NFL. So when I had I had
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a call. My brother's like, man, I could get a job,
but it's in Long Beach. But it wasn't the high
school I went to. It was like a rival school.
So I'm like, ah, that's gonna be hard to do.
But when you got the job, I was like, man,
you get it. I'm gonna come work with you. Man.
I got an opportunity to go coach on the last year,
and I fell in love with it. Obviously, I played
fifteen years and I can't get back to go out
there and catch touchdown. So going out there and helping
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them young kids and train them, it just like it
kind of mashed that void that I missed from catching
touchdowns to training these young kids. And it was like
I got into it and I fell in love with him,
man I said. Man, I got an opportunity to really
change these young kids' lives. I got so much knowledge
and insight on the game. It would be crazy for
me not to get it back to these young guys
and you know, help them do every step. Or they
were to have the Delaware call or did you reach
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out to Delaware?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How did that happen so.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Delaware, Delaware State. Actually, one of a good friend of
mine hit me and he was like, well, you want
to coach college football? I'm like college football, Like, I
just played fifteen years in the league. You know how
my time is just everything in my path. I'm like,
I'm chilling feet kicked out them at the house. I
ain't working because you know, it's a lot a lot
of people don't understand the hard work to go. I
was going to be a professional athlete. So when I
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got the call, I'm like college football. I'm like, I'm
having a heck of a time right now. Coach in
high school college, that's time. That time is crazy. I'm like, nah,
I don't want to do it. Literally, like an hour later,
I got another call from coach Clark, who's like a
big brother mentor to me, and he was like, bro,
you interested in the coach in college. I'm like, hold on,
what the hell is going on? Is getting crazy now?
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I was like, man, ain't you in school? Because he's
a teacher. I'm like antient and school, I said, man,
calling back later and we'll talk about it. So I
sat back and thought about it. I was like, you
know what I'm gonna consider it, and literally less than
forty eight dollars. I'm on a flight going to Delaware.
So they actually inquired on me and reached out through
a few mutual you know guys I knew, and it
was like, Man, I had to go take this opportunity, man,
I said, I couldn't pass on it for something I
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really want to do it. Obviously, it's changing young kids' lives.
I was like, Man, I ain't gonna pass on this one.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know what I hate, man, I hate the fact that,
like I didn't even know you coached that Woodrow Wilson
High School until you got the job at Delaware State,
for sure, And I'm like, why the hell wasn't people
amplifying that. Why wasn't the media talking about that? Because
if you did some bullshit.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
For sure, bro, I mean for me, man, I think
throughout my career, men, a lot of you know what
has followed me, and you know, I don't I don't
like to use the word that. Unfortunately it is what
it is. Growing up you know, Los Angeles around the
gang culture, and you know, obviously the stigma he's hanging
around with the wrong people, he's doing the wrong things.
But throughout my career, like you know, I've never went
to jail. You know, I've never had no feelings, you know,
(05:24):
So it's like I'm I'm kind of put in that
box just because I grew up and you know, the
guys I do hang around with may partaking certain things,
but at the end of the day, that's the culture
and that's the next where I come from. So for me,
like I never turned my back on them, I never
made it. And it was like, you know what, I
can't go to Crenshawn Sauce. I can't go to Crenshawn Vernon.
I ain't gonna go to the Mert Park. That's my
ears in. Like I love to go back and support
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and help pull guys out of the area because I
know how I feel to be stuck in there and
have no hope to go anywhere else, you know what
I mean. So for me, like I just try to
you know, iilize the guys that you know, I looked
up to my older brother who's here right now. I
got having the camera on my face since I've been
a little kid, like every step of the way, it's
always been a vision and I have people around me
to believe in my vision and help me, you know,
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be or pushed me through every step of the way.
And you know, now I'm able to really put a
lot of lights on it. And you know, Amazon came
through and we did a deal with them. But we're
gonna be releasing a documentary and this far coming up.
So it's just a lot of shrill things going on,
and I'm just blessed, that's what's up. Did you ever feel.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Like at some point, like this is way before you
even got drafted, did you ever feel like doubt because
they remember they were saying that you were too small,
your friend was too small. It was cool which your
frame was too small, You have have doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Honestly, me personally, I never had doubt. I just used
all the naysayers and all the doubts to like fuel
my fire. So knowing I was always the smallest, one
of the smallest, but like I was always the fastest.
So I'm like my dad used to always say, well
if they can't hit you, and they can't, if they
can't catch you, they can't hit you. You know what
I'm saying. So like for me, I just kind of
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every step of way obviously couldn't nobody predict that I
was gonna be in NFL for fifteen years? Like the
average crew in the NFL is three and a half years.
I came in that since they went in two thousand
and eight. No one would have never predicted me to
play fifteen years. So for me, I just I love
the doubting. Right now I'm facing some more doubt. You know,
people like man he ain't never coached college. All the
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hell y'all gonna go hire at DeShawn Jackson to be
a head coach at Delaware State University. And for me, like,
there's no shoes that are too big for me. I
feel like I could feel any shoe there is made.
And obviously having like a guy like coach Andy Reid
who was my coach in Philadelphia, Deon Sanders, who's like
a mentor to me. You know, I feel like I'm
surrounding myself around great people. It's not gonna allow me
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to feel and I'm not gonna allow myself to feel.
So I think the biggest thing about a head coach
and being in a position like this, you gotta surround
yourself and around I mean, you got to surround yourself
with people to help you be successful. And for me,
I'm gonna put some heavy hitters in the position. I
can't let y'all know who I'm hiring, but I'm hiring
some guys that got a lot of experience played in
the NFL, coaching and feel and coach at college at
(08:01):
a high level. So I'm excited for this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I was going to ask when it comes to recruiting
players HBCU sometimes have a little tough especially sometimes you know,
people go to the.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Major schools, right because they feel like they get.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Better looks on television, and sometimes they feel the facilities
are a lot better when training and things like that.
So how do you combat that part of it?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You really want to know absolutely, I'm about to come
holler at you. You went to hire y'all got that Joran sponsor?
I went to well, honestly, man, for me, it's sponsorships
in Hampton football for sure. I think, you know, just
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with the resources, like you spoke on me having a name,
having a guy that had the success I had, I
think it's a little easier. Obviously, you go back at
what Deon Sanders did at Jackson State. He kind of
put the plan down, He put the infrastructure down, He
kicked the door up and forgot. I was like myself
and Michael Vick obviously, I'm sure you guys seen the
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Michael Vick get the position at Norfolk State. You know,
for me, that's like a big brother me. Man, we
got a great relationship. I grew up looking up to
Michael Vick and he kind of knocked the door down
before I did. But it's crazy because when he got
he called me. It was like I got an opportunity
to either be at Sack State or Norfolk State. He
was like, You're gonna be my first hire. So at
the same time, I was like, I'm interested, but I
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was trying to like playing, not playing, but like kind
of keep them limbo because I knew I would potentially
have my own position, so I was trying to really
figure it out. But I mean with them type of names, man,
obviously Deon Sanders, Michael Vick, and then you have Deshaun Jackson,
like we set up for this, and for me, I
think Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders obviously showed a lot
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of players that are big that you can go to
an HBCU ball out and still go to a Power
five and still go get the nil money and do
everything and still be successful. So I think it's a
little more popular now. Before that, I don't see people
doing it like myself when I when I I was
coming out. Obviously, I came out in two thousand and
five and I was a big time recruit and I
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always wanted to go to an HBCU. But for me,
I was like too big to go to one. But
my dad went to put through and cook me and
my mom went to do Cainge. So for me, it's
just a history man. It's the culture man, and I'm
I'm pumped up ready for for real.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Why why don't HBC use well, why don't they have
more money to make high as like yours? And how
do we increase that? How do we get them that money?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Great question I think for myself. Honestly, if we're going
to talk about money, me being the head coach at
Delaware State wasn't about money. You know, at the end
of the day, my career and the money I've made
on the field obviously is an honor and a blessing.
But taking this position, it wasn't like I'm about to
take this position. I'm about to become some crazy million
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dollar coach right away, you know what I'm saying. So
for me, it was just a vision. It was the
energy I felt when I went to Delaware. The people
I met, obviously doctor Allen, doctor Hawkins, Tony Tucker to
can start, who was my guy that actually made this happen.
When I when I stepped foot on that campusit it
was just like the morale was like you could tell
the people around just wanted to win. They had it
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eager for winning. It's like in the past two years
they won two games. I mean, like, this is not
an ideal situation for me, but it is because I
know I'm a winner, so no situation scares me. So
when I came into that that building, that facility, like
like you said, it wasn't it's high schools that are
better than our facilities.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I didn't even know they had a football team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Damn. That's how you feel, though. That's real. But I mean, honestly,
like I've heard about Delaware State, but I ain't really
know too much about Delawares State either. In Philadelphia is
right down the road. You know. I spent a lot
of time in Philadelphia. I played for the Washington football team.
They don't call them the team I used to play for,
no more. They Commanders or whatever it is, or that
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I don't like that name. But then I played for
Baltimore as well too, the Ravens my last year in
the league. So I'm surrounding in the same area. Man.
I really took a liking to Philadelphia because all we see,
I'm a Cali dude. So when I got drafted to Philadelphia, like,
I played for six teams, but Philadelphia was one of
the best places I played in. Man, so I feel
like I'm at home. Man. I really, I really want
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to put a gate around Delaware, around Philadelphia, around DMV,
around Baltimore, because at the end of the day, it's
a lot of talent that goes unnoticed and all these
guys are going to other places, you know what I'm saying.
So for me, I think it's huge. And that was
a part of the pitch when I at the interview
for the head coaching job. It's like, I mean, you
have Deshaun Jackson coming in here. Now. A lot of
these kids when I was playing in Philadelphia were kids
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that were five seven years you know, six seven years old,
and now they in high school. I'm gonna go into
the house and talk and it's like, wow, I remember you.
I'm a Philadelphia Eagle fan. So it just makes it
a little easier.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dig.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Did your mentality have to change at all going from
players to coach?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
For sure? Man? How do I answer that? When I
think with this situation, obviously I did have to clean
it up a little bit. And the reason why I
would say that is because me and Lashan McCoy, who's
somebody you know, I have a lot of respect for
and it's like a brother to me. We was doing
a podcast and uh, you free on that podcast. You
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can say what you want, you can do, you can dream,
you know, whatever the case may be. So for me
now being the head coach, it's a lot of things
that I was having freedom to do and just relax
just because you know what, I worked hard, I did
my thing, and now I could let my hair down
a little bit, so you know, a snap and finger.
You know, I had to clean up. But I think
throughout my whole career was like that, because when you
walk into these offices, or you walk into these owners
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or these coaches, you know, you just can't be in
there just being yourself. You know what I'm saying. You
got to clean up and you gotta pertrain a certain image.
So for me, like I've been used to that, I
know how to turn the switch on and off. And
I think the biggest thing is when you leading a university,
you know, you have to be the resemblance of what
you want your young men to look like. So I mean,
you just you just want them to own own up
to the responsibility of being young man, to be responsible,
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to work hard, and just all the characteristics you want
in a young man to be able to be a
grown man when you're done with them. And I think
the biggest thing is when I walk in the door,
I look at these young men like young men when
they leave out that during that graduate I want them
to become grown man. So you just got to start
principles and just let them know. And I think the
biggest thing for me is I know what it looks like.
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I know what they I know what the next level wants.
I know the things not to do and what to
do because I'm not the perfect pitch. You know, I
did a lot of things that you know, I had
to learn from and and now looking back, especially the
social media space. Like I posted a lot of things
when I was young, and the older God was like, damn,
I wish I didn post that. Damn I always I
want to show with that.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
But it also shows them that you are relatable to Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
You got stigmas all that type of stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So you don't claim show.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Sure, don't claim it. Just say a I for real,
that's real. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I know Kevin Hart your gout, Sir Kevin Hart came
up here and he said some things about Delaware state.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Culture.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
When you don't let it go, come on, let it be.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Know why did you go since she didn't, I thought
I was trying to university.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You just a bunch of niggas.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Delaware.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I know he's a huge Eagle fan. I know you
guys are close. Did you call him and you got
the job and be like, bro, you got to take
that back. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
See what's crazy is I didn't even know about that
viral moment until like maybe like a few hours ago.
It wasn't a viral just in Delaware was so so
when I heard when I heard about what he said,
I reached out to him, and you know, I tried
to get him to call in to apologize you because
you know, now your little hommy is the head coach
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over there. But uh, you know he's dealing with all
the fires and I think he's shooting up a show
right now. But one thing I'll said about Kevin Man,
Kevin is a great dude and got a great relationship
with him. I know he just say thing, you know
how he is, Kevin just saying comedy, Kevin just joking.
He just be popping it. But for sure Kevin's gonna come.
He gonna come support. I mean, you know his roosts
for Philadelphia and being a huge Eagle fan. You know,
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he was like, man, what I need to do? Y'all
got a building I can put my name on. I'm like,
we got a whole lot of stuff you can put
your name on. It's HBCU. We gonna need you. So
I'm looking forward to build a lot of relationship and
I got a lot of relationships with you know, like
Michael Rubin is a guy that I reached out to
and you know he congratulated me as well too. So
just looking forward to put on our resources man and
bring it together. Man, because I think we got a
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big opportunity, man, to change the perspective on HBCUs Man,
and I'm I'm stoked. I'm ready to get it going
for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know, you know what when you become a when
you become a parent, you start looking at your parents different,
like you kind of just appreciate them more and respect
them more and understood what they went through. Now that
you're a coach, do you feel like that about your
old coaches because you probably.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Give them your I promise I did. And you know
it's crazy because when I was younger, my mom was like,
you bad, but your kids are gonna be that much
more bad than you are. So now obviously I got
two sons six and nine, and my nine year old boy,
he would give me a run for my money. So
I'm like, man, I feel what you're saying. But Craig,
you said that because I was in the team meeting
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with the guys that met him for the first time
like two days ago, and I could just see like, man, like,
these dudes gonna give me a run for my money.
But it's a good thing because it's relatable, you know
what I'm saying. I literally was just in their seats.
I know what they want to do, and I'm not
trying to sit here and police them like you young man,
like you know right from wrong. If you want to
be an elite scholar athlete, it's certain things you have
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to do. I mean, it got to look a certain way,
and it's the nature to Beninson. Now, it's a lot
of money involved in these colleges, like you able to
get paid for it, so I'm able to really walk
in there and say, look, if you want xyz, this
is what you gotta do. You know what I'm saying.
And if you don't do it like this, Delawaes State
might not be your fit. You know, it's unfortunate. But
I want guys that want to do this. I want
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guys that want to play at the next level, Like
I know what I want to accomplish there. And like
I said, I don't got time to wait. We don't
got time to mess around, Like we're not rebuilding. We
coming there right now. We want to win this year.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Have you thought about that, like what Chaulaman said, Like
you know, these students might come in there, someone might
be feeling themselves a little bit talk too, a little crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
When you're in the league, you could talk back. I'm
sure you can talk to your coach.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You know, you might have to go move some furniture,
but now you're a coach, you can't move that furniture.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You can't move that furniture. But one thing I will say,
I think it's a respect It's a respect level. And
I always say, like, how do you like when you
first meet somebody, Like do you come in there and
just expect or like, say you you got a job
or you're a boss and you hire somebody, like, yeah,
you might have an authority, but you're not just gonna
talk to him any type of way. Now, you do
have certain bosses that do feel like, you know what,
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I'm gonna talk to you any type of way, and
I don't care how you feel, but like, is he
really gonna run runt through a wall for you? So
for me, it's like my perspective, if I'm gonna come
here and ask you to do certain things, I'm a
mutual build that report with you before I just come
at you crazy and talk to you crazy, because it's
like I may expect you to run through a wall
for me, and you I don't know you, like I
don't trust you. You got to build that before you
just run through a wall. So I feel like building
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that trust and letting them know, like you know what
I was once in your position. I know where you
want to go. Let me help you get there. Follow
my steps. I can't make I can't go play for you.
I did my thing on the field. I can't go
play for you. D Jack can't go on the field
and go catch a pass for you. But I can
tell you what it takes to get there, and if
it's on you to follow me. Like I told my players,
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I love y'all, and I don't use that word lightly.
I said I love y'all, but it's on y'all to
make me not love y'all. You know what I'm saying.
So if I turn my back on you, it's because
you made me turn your back. It's not because I
didn't think. Because at the end of the day, I'm
coming in with love. I'm giving y'all love. I'm not
coming in here trying to be your daddy. Y'all got dads,
I got kids. But at the end of the day,
y'all gonna respect me. Because if y'all respect me, I'm
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gonna get you where you I'm gonna get you to
where you want to go to.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
And then a good thing to always go to, always
humble them, is y'all are in Delaware.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
There ain't nothing out your head. We're gonna turn out.
You come to the game, bring it back. You know,
you gotta come support it. But there ain't nothing in Delaware.
They got nothing to do but staying in. But yeah,
for sure, you know it's crazy. So within the past
two three days I've been out there. I've been driving
going to get food because obviously dovers like everything is
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on this one strip. So we're driving out. I seen
probably like ten of my my student athletes were driving
down in the car that like coach like, man, look
it's another player. There's another player. So it's like it's
real close and it's like it's family oriented. For sure.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You might need that at this point in your life,
cause you say, you do fifteen years your time you
was quiet, but you still have Cali's off for sure,
run all your family, your friends. You might need that
that quiet life.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I definitely do. And I think for me, man, it's
a great time because those who really know me, after
my fifteen year career is over, I retired in twenty
two two when I played for the Ravens. So right
when I tired, I got both my kids full time
and their mom wasn't around, So I think that really
helped me too, and that really like put some discipline in,
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you know, because if I didn't have them, I would
have probably been traveling, spending money, blowing money. I would
have been everywhere. Because obviously people don't understand. So it's
not only fifteen years, it's the three years before that,
and maybe one or two years before that when I
was in high school, because I was a high profile
player coming out of high school. So you gotta think
all them years of non stop working out, training, this, that,
and the third. So it was twenty twenty two when
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I retired where I was like, I could have really
just splurged and just went crazy. But I got my
kids full time, so that really helped me sit down,
and I was taking them to school, picking them up,
taking them to sports, and doing a lot of things.
So I think last year was like, all right, hold on,
I just did that for a whole year. I said,
now it's time. I can't beat the baby daddy and
the baby mama. I said, I got to go coach.
Went to go coach with my older brother, Uh, Coach
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Clark who's in the building. And I just give a
huge shout out to Coach Clark. He's a huge inspiration
on my life and not only to my life, ment
to a lot of a lot of young men. He
put a lot of young guys into college active college
players right now that the ballers. Man, I'm excited for
his journey because this was a dream come true for
him to get this spot in his position.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
And he's coming with you.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
He come. I made him my assistant head coach, man
because just for everything he meant to me and what
he did, I missed the dream come true. Man, He's
leaving his family, he's leaving his daughters, he left his
school that we just built some crazy that it's never
been happening one hundred years. And he coming. Man. So man,
I just want to tell.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
What about someone like you know, like I said, you know,
even with the coaching thing that Woodrow was in high school,
there's things that people don't amplify.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I didn't know that you had.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Custody in kids because you go the way around, right
the daddy wasn't around. Why wasn't the mother around?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So some personal things went down. So, you know, we
was we were trying to work out our situation, and
throughout our situation, I was actually I was playing for
the Los Angeles Rams in twenty twenty one, and uh,
throughout that period of time, you know, we was back
and forth on and off for about six or seven years,
and it just came a point of time where we
couldn't really figure it out. She left and you know,
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start dealing with some individual and the principles didn't the line,
you know what I'm saying. The guy she was dealing
with didn't aligne to what I was preaching and doing
over here, and we kind of just didn't see eye
to eye. We didn't talk, we lost communication. And for me,
like I'm a very respectful man, and I understand when
you're in a partnership and you have kids with somebody,
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you have to ligne and the things on the line,
like I'm not gonna have my kids be around somebody
that I can't talk to them, or I can't know
where their location is, or I'm not going for that
like my dad did. In't start all principles in me
and I would never turn my back on my kids.
So I'm very influential on my kids' life. And uh yeah.
So it just went and we didn't talk, and I
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was like, I'm grabbed my kids and it was nothing,
you know, nothing too personal. But at the end of
the day, I just had to grab my kids, man,
And for me, that was like I could not be
one of them. Dass, it's just not around. Man. Then
you got two boys and I love them death.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It wasn't like a court situation.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I mean, it almost got to some court stuff, but
like we really figured it out before the end and
so it didn't really have to get messy because you know,
of course it's public. You try like hi, you try
to close case and all that, and it just kind
of got to to atter. So I was like, you
know what, let me just you know, get them, and
she granted them to me and stuff, and then we
just kind of did like that. But it's it's good
now because now that I'm coaching, you know, she ain't
dealing with the dude no more, and like me and
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her is cool now. So I'm like, all right, cool,
you're gonna help me Out'm about to get this full
time coaching job. The kids can come back with you
and you know where. Everything's good. So them two years
it was tricky though, but we're good now.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Now you're from la is your family okay, we got there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, man, it's crazy. So I'm supposed to be going
back Saturday. I'm gonna actually stay in town for the
Eagle game on Sunday, but my mom's here. She came
in town for it. But yeah, like my family, it's
kind of more on the outskirts, but a lot of
people in la man, it's you know, it's crazy. Man.
I just want to pray for my city, man, and
you know, hopefully everything gets you know, handles.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I just got to ask, you know, before you leave.
You know, the Eagles and Giants rivalry was crazy. I've
been to one game in Philly and I told myself
I'll never go back.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Just the fans in Philly is differently, It's crazy. I
seen nothing like that. I had a baby with me
and they was still we don't care. I'm like Jesus,
but what did you think about the Giants?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Uh lettings at Congo?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Let me seengo.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was the stupidest thing you
could have ever did. And what's crazy? I think like
one of the so it was like a front office
guy who was actually on the Eagles. He worked for
the Eagles and then like he went to New York
and he was in the room because I remember when
they was making the decision and I seen him, like, man,
he used to work for Philly. It's crazy to come
sitting there listening to what they're talking about that like, oh, yeah,
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you know he yead okay year, but you know we
could we could probably just let him go, like we're
not gonna play him. And I'm just listening to the
conversation and to see a year, not even a year later,
he's killing killing at a high level, and I think,
you know, sometimes it's just like you need that fresh start,
you need that energy because you know, when you're at
a team. I hope none of y'all giants fans, but
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when you're I am.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
A giant, can we put a uh? I got turned
into this.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Way, but talking about a cowboy friend, say at even bad,
But that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Cow girl, I'm a cowboy killer.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I know about it.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
My daddy was a cowboy fan. He's a cowboy fan.
I don't you know, I'm grandfather. Then every year to
say going the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Every that's what they say. My boy, I got a
best friend. He was a diehard cowgirl fan, my bwgirl fan.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And every year this o this our here, this our yere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Then midway through the season, maybe I'm like, bro, y'all
need to just get rid of Jerry Jones. Man, once
you'll get your get rid of him and Jones.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The other day I saw him.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Another day, I saw him the same Boughts and I
told him, I said, man, we gotta get this ship together,
and he hit me with some rich white man ship like.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh yeah, we digged and we were supposed.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
To zag, but.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh yeah you good. Lamar Jackson went crazy this year.
What you'all predicted on the Super Bowl? I actually think
Baltimore Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I don't know why I got a feeling.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
About Baltimore stuff, Baltimore, Philly, the.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Chiefs, I think. I think I think Eagle's gonna get well.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Actually, Baltimore Baltimore. I want to say Baltimore and Philly,
but I think Baltimore in the Lions.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I like it. I like that that could be a
potentials look good.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But I wanted to say to you know, a lot
of these coaches are leaving, especially like old the white coaches,
because they say they can't handle these kids and these
n I L deals. And that's why I think it's
good for guys like you, because you made damn one
hundred million in the league, and I think the one
thing that they're missing. Yeah, they might be making some
money now, but there's a whole bigger, bigger, bigger bag
to get later. And I think only guys that have
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done it like yourself can relate.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
To them kids like that. I mean, you support me, right, yeah,
absolutely supporting d jack Man love HBC.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, he asked for help me.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
But they said I got y'all for real. I'm locking
with y'all whatever y'all want to put him my Hamp.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I hate you, you know, I like this.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I thought it was how Hamp.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And we don't sclude Eddie George enough either. They always
talked about Mike and Eddie.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
George does this thing over there too. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Now, we definitely come out in support, definitely.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And I saw what Dean said about you. He just
like everybody needs to wrap their arms around your stuff.
Have you always been in your corner like that.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Dion has always been a big influencial for me, man.
I think going back to when I was in high school, Man,
he used to reach out to me and I had
an opportunity to sit with him a few times on
official with him a few times, just really pick his brain. Man.
I think he's he's a special dude. Man. Him and
him and Jerry Rice are like my two mentors. So
to have two guys like that in my corner man
every step of the way, even like while I was playing,
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even before I got to the league. So I mean
that ain't that ain't just a post. He's just posting
like we really locked in and we got a real
great relationship and he's helping out a lot like my think.
I think, you know, in our culture, we don't give
a flowers to people that really like support us and
help us out. I definitely want to give Coach promised
flowers because he's for the culture. He is the culture.
I think he's doing some great things and a lot
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of people still hating on him, like at a big level, Man,
what his sons is doing, like that should dream come
true man for any man. And I know they ball
and he's doing I don't care. Man, if you got
an opportunity to coach your kids and see him at
the highest level and to see like that, I hope
he become the first pick. You know what, Oh no,
y'all can't get him. Well, Tennessee Titans might be able
(29:34):
to do it. Patriots don't.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
They got the first, the Tennessee Titans first. First, the
Titans and the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Then they need to make it the package deal. Man.
Let the daddy and the coach man go in. They
probably come back and get shy later on. Maybe get
Travis at the two. You never know that.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Brime said some fliction on Willow and Gilly said, I
picked it up.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He was like he on something.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He was like, I would coach in the NFL if
I could coach my to.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I'm like, see what you know a little something that
the only way he ain't going back to Colorado is
something like that happening. I know them, man, He's a yeah,
he liked that. It might we might see that. It
might be crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I would love for the Giants to pick him up.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Giants glory, y'all want I mean a non meaningful game,
like why would y'all. That was stupid as hell.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Asked, do y'all ever, I mean in the NFL, do
y'all ever, just say like, there's no sense of winning
this game.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Let's not win this game. Does that conversation happen?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I can't account for that now higher up potentially, yeah,
because they want them number one picks. I believe that happens.
But as a player, you go out there playing around,
you're gonna get hurt and one injury with in your career,
So it's not really worth going out there trying to
bs and mess around in terror a cl or be
knocked out on that. You gotta think them growing in
on that field. They taking care of their families and
(30:51):
they want their bonuses. So it's a lot of money
riding on them games. So I never partected none that.
I can't speak for nobody else, but I ain't. Ever
they should have just pulled some of the players.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Listen in, let's pull this one out.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Nothing for him to win that game, nothing like, come on,
that was the first home win. You feel me like,
come on, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's the only game I ain't going I'm like, I'm
not going to We're gonna lose this one.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I'm sitting the house like, what the is going on?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's crazy? Man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Man, Well, we appreciate you for joining us. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Congratulations again, man, thank you. Absolutely not gonna be the situation, right,
You're not gonna they ain't gonna end U quitting before.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Okay, nothing I do our quitting life. Man, We're gonna
be there to support everything all going. I just want
to tell y'all to man, y'all been killing it with y'all.
Show man. Been watching y'all for a long time. Uh,
rest in peace. Nipsey Hustle, that's my brother, that ship
with him. But I've been watching y'all. Sh y'all do
y'all thing. Man, y'all keep going, man, take it off. Man.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
All right, Well, it's to Sean Jackson, the new head
of the coach, the new head coach for Delaware State Hornets,
and it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Good morning, Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Breakfast Club.
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