February 12, 2025 • 52 mins
The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Larry June, 2 Chainz & The Alchemist To Discuss Gatekeeping In Music, New Album, 'Not Like Us'. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in Steed j n v
Ess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
You got some special guests.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
In the building.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yes, indeed we got the Alchemists.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got Larry June and two Chains. Welcome album. Life
is beautiful as out right now.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Early Album of the Year contend. It's still early. It's
only February. Early Album of the Year contender. Man, I
appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Change came in here, like, where's my picture on the wall?
I'm walking around here? But his picture is right there.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Next thing.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
They got his feet up, He got his feet up there.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, I hadn't been to this location.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's the first time here.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
It's my first.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's been a minute since you've been up here.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So how y'all brother's feeling feeling good? How about you?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Change had to make the wall number one of your legend.
That's number one. But number two Chains was the first,
the first breakfast club show we ever did. Oh boy,
and the first person say anything was too changed? How'd
you get two chains around?
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Matter?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You were here so at the time, we didn't have
no money right, so to change did it for the love?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And Charlemagne was supposed to handle transpen what.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Change was red hot?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I mean red hot like early too early in carnal?
What's the word in car nations of two change? You
don't know what red hat? But Charlamage was supposed to
handle car service. Charlamagne man had a car. Charlamage didn't
say it was a caravan, picked up two changes in
the caravan.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 7 (01:25):
You just thought that was cool. I had the money.
Speaker 8 (01:29):
But you're supposed to let a nigga know a van
gonna come pick him up, and not a black.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
I don't know they was going in a van. I
thought they had asked yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But change that he never he never did, never play
and always never talked.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
About alwayshows love.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
We always appreciate that, Sir three link up for this album.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
How we do it?
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, let me see, I know Larry and I work
together before. I'm a fan of his music. You know
what I'm saying. He a player. You know what I'm saying,
I'm a player and I don't know. We had a
conversation like just about doing a couple of records. Yeah,
and he's somebody that is into like cohesiveness and everything.
(02:08):
So he was like, we just need to do one producer.
You know what I'm saying, We're gonna rob with Al
And it just started becoming like you know what I'm saying.
Every time a song was finished, it started to becoming
just dope and dope, you know what I mean. And
I felt like, man, we probably ain't do about six
seven more, you know what I'm saying. And before you
knew it is like what he said, the early contender
(02:29):
for album.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, And how did Alchemists get to play? Why was
he the producer? Why he was the one that's like,
this is the sound we want for this?
Speaker 9 (02:36):
We had we were already working like we've been talking
for a while. We had a couple of records in motion,
like the last couple of years, and.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
I've been working with Al but with me a lot
of my projects, they would have different producers, so I
would have two or three our type joints on it
feel good, but people would just kind of go towards
the party records or the trap records. So it felt
good for me just to do what I really like
to do best is and that's a.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Rapt Those real hip hop beat, that boom battle you
know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (03:03):
That sun done.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yo yo yo?
Speaker 7 (03:07):
What about those type of that sound energizes your pen.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
My voice is able to cut through on samples. With
the trap drums, I'll be having to like kind of
yell a little bit. I can sit down and record.
When I'm doing these songs, I'll be having to stand
up record trap songs and then and I'd be having
to kind of be creative and sometimes it hit it
and sometimes it miss but I have to be creative
around the drums and kind of peek my head out.
But with those loops and things like that, I'm able
just to get my idea across looser.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
Yeah, you get looser because it's like it's just a
phil at it's not like you know, like it's kind
of understated the production, so at least room for like
the lyricists, like if you if you got something to
say on those type of beats, you're gonna flourish, you know,
change Larry there, those type of mcs like less is more.
Speaker 10 (03:51):
It's found on that like a file a like yeah,
like a raw versus like a stacked up like I
would compare like a track to something that's layered up
on the vocals.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Some of these are kind of just.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
Raw and it's just like a mood, you know what
I mean, where it's like they're just to just to
move their pens.
Speaker 11 (04:07):
So it's like the focus is on the lyricists.
Speaker 9 (04:10):
And you know, I mean change, I don't. He's been
one the people who know music. No to Change has
always been top tier with the pen like, but he
always had the knack to make hit records too, you know,
but that never fooled me, Like I could tell the
MC's like a big Sean or somebody who's like, yo,
he makes shit records, but he can rap like extremely well, like.
Speaker 11 (04:30):
With anybody who you would put on any list, you know.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
So so that's your comference on the trap is not
really a trap you just do for us?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
He ain't really no, So of course I trapped before, right,
and even on this type of subject matter, I talk
about the streets and the trap. But early on I'm
always throw Tech under the bus for this.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Early on, I was doing a mixtape. It was called
all Ice on Meal. It was a double.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Mixtape, and I had who doing was it? It was
you and who else? It was him? A screen, and
then I gave Tech like some my your.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Kids stuff, and he was like, boy, I don't want
I want some boy, give me some of that trap.
And then when I gave some of that trap, he
came back with like data saying, boy, I'm telling you
they rocking with this right here. So he was more
as a manager, more data driven as far as like
what the people were kind of leaning towards. When I
would drop a project that had some some lyrics and
(05:24):
some trap stuff, you know what I mean. But you know,
I'm in this thing to like to show growth anyway
and to show that anything's possible.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You know what I'm saying. I ain't get my meeting
Stiles after thirty.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
You know what I'm saying. I'm still out here having
more motion in the ocean. I'm saying, business is doing good.
The rap's gonna come out. We're gonna talk about how
we got these businesses in this passive income going. We're
gonna popy like that. You know what I'm saying. I
ain't spending no blocks. I ain't got time to go
to jail, leave my family. I ain't no more crash
dummy mission. You could never get me like that. So
it's just like I just stay out the way. I'm very,
(05:54):
very highly confident in everything I do, and so that's
my comfort zone, knowing it when I walk in the room,
my chin up, my chest.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I don't like that, you know what I'm saying. Like, man,
God did his thing with me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now, you like to collaborate a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Change Like it feels like you like competing, right, whether
it's early on with Drake or it's with Wayne, it's
with Larry ju And why is that you never fall back?
You always seemed like you want to do that more.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I think Atlanta is a place that we just are
into doing collaborations, you know what I'm saying. Atlanta artists
always we always work together and work with different people.
We never had that problem, you know what I mean. So,
like I said, respect Larry, I wanted I wanted to
do this project. It wasn't Larry idea. I like, we
ought to do this, you know what I'm saying. And
I was just I wanted to do it too.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah, I'm just letting you know. Like I mean, I
go to Vegas, I go to Miami. I tell DJ
Man put on that smoothie. In nineteen ninety one. I
tell him, I want to hear that before I get
out of here, you know what I'm saying. So it
was just about it was just genuine organic like his campaign.
It was just organic love, and so it.
Speaker 12 (06:54):
Came organic too though it wasn't even We didn't think
too much about it just kind of came. Yeah, he
had a few records, sent it to me and then
we just kept that ship rocking.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It was real smooth.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
What I like about you you wrap about.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
You wrap about a lot of health and in organic living,
Like what got you into a mindfulness lifestyle and what
made you start putting that in your music?
Speaker 12 (07:14):
You know, I started a little like I dropped my
first mixtape when I was fifteen. I was kind of
talking about a lot of shit that I wouldn't really
like fully into. Then I had just tuned into my
real what I was into and like my actual life,
and when I saw I wrap about my day to day
shit to just start working for me, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm kind of like him. I didn't make no.
Speaker 12 (07:31):
Bread into to my thirties really too, so you know,
I had they go through the ups and downs and
really finding myself as an artists, and when I start
talking about the shit that I really like to do,
it just kind of start coming natural for me.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So early on you had a lot of cap in
your app.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 12 (07:44):
I was fifteen sixteen, you know, I just kind of
more influenced by the hip hop, you know what I mean,
and the shit you know what I mean. And it's
finding myself as an artist, you know what I mean.
And when I start doing that and really like fall
on like what I want to do and start working out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Did somebody tell you how did you just check yourself?
Did somebody be like, come on, nobody.
Speaker 12 (08:01):
Didn't tell me I was around all that. You know,
I'm from that, you know what kind of that was
like my my environment and shit. But it was just
more like what can I bring different to the game?
I was like, you know, it's only one me. I
can talk about my life and what I do and
people will relate to it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Some people might not, you know, people will. I'm thankful
that some people do.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You talk about financial literacy a lot too, which is
interesting because you know, to chains he talks about flexing
a lot, right so and spending a lot.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
So how did that you know?
Speaker 12 (08:28):
Mention the studio, Uh, listening to a lot of audio books,
you know in high school, like you know, Robert Kolsaki
and shit like and stuff like that, and just just
trying to do better, you know what I mean, coming
from that environment, and you know, just trying to switch
it up and do something different and have longevity in
my career. So I start knowledging myself about things like
(08:48):
that and just you know, put it into the music,
you know what I mean, and letting people know, not
the major and minor things.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But I still I still flex.
Speaker 12 (08:55):
I talk about shit, my fleck's a little different, you know,
I might talk about a fifteen dollars orange juice some
ship like that. I'm just saying about hop out with
the lawsuit to the side, very peacefully.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm talking about Now you.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Got a bunch of singles that you drop on like
different platforms like streaming platforms and then YouTube exclusive, how
do you like figure out what's going drop where?
Speaker 11 (09:17):
Because in different places.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So when I do it, just the YouTube, I just
put it out.
Speaker 12 (09:22):
I don't think too much about it, just put it
out just more just for the for the fans, and uh,
just keeping it going. I don't really think I don't
think too much about it. I talked to day, but
just do it, like, let's do it, do whatever we feel.
I don't really think too much about it.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
What do you like about Larry is an MC?
Speaker 9 (09:40):
I mean when you know, first linking with him, it
was like first like the tone, you know, like I
go off of music, you know, like obviously Resting Peace
Prodigy that was like my brother. We did a lot
of music together and sometimes it's just like the tone,
it's just something similar to her with Body James or
it was like Larry tone was crazy. And then I
(10:00):
was actually late. Once I got hip to his shit,
it was like he was deep in. I had to
go back and like, do you know because like with
Larry's music, you could you need a tour guy because
he got so many different styles, like it just depends
who takes you through it, you know, the right way.
And it was like I dug into his music and
was like, Okay, I figured out after a while, Okay,
(10:21):
I feel I felt like I could make something that'll
fit to it, you know what I'm saying. And then
when we started working we did like one joint. I
think it was j Worthy who linked us up and
then it sounded good and for me, if I if
I can get one, it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You know the Monico joints. Yeah, for your album Go Joint.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Before we did Great Escape, we did one joint for
his album, and it was like, I felt like there
was potential because sometimes you do one record with somebody
and it's like one and done, and sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Build a better relationship.
Speaker 9 (10:47):
Plus just like my brother now, Larry is super likable,
like he's just one of the coolest movies, just my brother.
So you know, in music you build relationships sometimes beyond
how long did.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
This this project take?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Because I saw an interview you said if you Larry,
you said, rapping gives you anxiety?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Uh, with that?
Speaker 12 (11:07):
Working with Change he changed that. But he worked so
quick and he owned he on my phone with a verse.
With a Verse, I had to switch my whole program
up so that this was pretty quick, you know what
I mean. We got a few records we didn't put
out yet, and it was I ain't I was keeping
up with Change. I ain't got he was. He was
giving me the sauce, and I was see what I
can do? Me come different on here. So like working
with chains and al like definitely took me out my element,
(11:29):
you know what I mean, different patterns and uh topics
and and it's making me a better m C.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm very thankful.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Is that pressure of that pressure line by the verse.
Speaker 12 (11:40):
It ain't it ain't pressure. It's more like I'm just
I'm getting better, you know what I mean. And he
he are real lyricists. He really really do this ship
so like he give me like styles and I ain't
even thought about even doing me rap like this and
try this and just putting me in a different box.
Just like when I did the Great Escape with you,
I was telling him like, man, I love these beast dudes.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
He was putting me you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (11:59):
He made I think he made us both step up
just because of the level that changes as an artist
and as perfection. It's like we went out to Atlanta
and got to work with him in his lab and
just got to like get his energy in his world.
That was like is different, super impressive, like sleepy in
his in his city. It's like I went home like
(12:20):
as a different animals just seeing his operation like change
is a mastermind. So both of us going out there
seeing his operation in Atlanta was like super motivating like heah,
we gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I feel like Wayne was on you like that change.
I feel like I feel like I can see you
and Wayne working together and Wayne hitting you up, like
where is the verse?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
The song is done?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
This was men and Wayne?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We this we was.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
That's why I was on him like that because I'm
used to Wayne shooting it right back. I'm used to
thinking I'm finna smoke this guy. And he sent it
back with just some crazy shit with wind level and
some lyrics and and so it was just like telling Larry,
just don't they don't overthink it, like you know what
I mean. So with man Toune, we actually have hundreds
of we work really fast together. He's someone that I
(13:02):
can go on. I can go in the booth with
half an idea and finish it up. What's like getting
a booth and then Wayne and going to the booth
with the whole idea. So he'll just want to take
the whole thing all the way through. So it's just
different rhyme styles. But actually working with him has made
me a better artist, like he said I did for him.
So it's cool to be able to like trinkle down
and pass that energy on because me doing two projects
with Wayne, I'd be lying if I say I ain't
(13:24):
get better. You know what I'm saying right rocking with him?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You know, I was gonna ask you what you mentioned
earlier with Prodigy two questions with that, Are you surprised
about how much love that Prodigy is getting now in
the last couple of years.
Speaker 11 (13:36):
I feel like people are.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Dissecting what he's been saying, and I think they missed
it before. I've been seeing it more and more and
more recently.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
I always felt like that was gonna happen, like they
become like more legendary after, you know, because they did
so much work.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
It was like insane and you could just peel.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Back layers of prodigies rhymes like he went so far,
he was so ahead of his time that it's like
and even them, it's funny them being small too.
Speaker 11 (14:00):
I always felt like them being.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
These two little guys, like they would be rediscovered in
twenty years by some young kids like mob Deep, Like
if some kids finds them in twenty years, they're gonna
hit it, strike a gold mine. Like their discography is
like unmatched, and you know, yeah, I mean Pea's legend
lives like he did more than the average person while
he was here and even left behind a lot of stuff.
Speaker 11 (14:23):
So we're lucky enough to be working on a new
mob deep project.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There's another we have change.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
It looked like what doing the beats and you know
Nas is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Involved, and yeah, man, it feels.
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Great, just even just like when you hear his voice again,
you're gonna be like, wow, missed you know what I'm saying,
Like how much we missed it. It's a void just
not hearing his voice anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
The Metro reach out to you because when he was inspired,
it seemed like Prodigy inspired couple of projects.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
I reached out to him actually and thanked him for
that because I thought that was so dope. When they
sampled his voice throughout the album, just kept his spiritual
That was just super and.
Speaker 11 (15:03):
Plus you know him in Future had a little bit
of history as well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
In Future were cool.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
There's a video that they never came out with that
p is in actually a Future video and that it
never came I forget what song it was, but they
were they were cool.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
It was a dope contrast artists with creation from Somebody
is Ship Poppers Pope.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
But I think we're keeping the tradition alive even doing this,
that's doing you know me coming from you know, you
know where my history and then Lincoln with somebody like
Change and Larry and just bringing it all together.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You know you have a bar when when you That
was my secon question.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Do you have a bar of artists that you work with,
like you be like I'm not working with him because
it's just this doesn't fit or is it like I
give everybody opportunity like Larry Jewel fists chains fists, but
certain one somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Else might not fit.
Speaker 13 (15:48):
That might say you I need alchemists a beat cool,
but yeah, certain artists fit more where I feel like
I could make whole projects with like you know, Rock Marcy,
you know Body, James, Larry, June to Change.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
Of course, Prodigy and I. You know I do have
some like repeat you know friends that I work with.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I told I told him I'm making my pop producer
by rocking with me when we had them conversation like nah,
you know low key underground like boys stop make yes
pop out here.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
But I think I get the jacket put on me
sometimes and be in this like purist, keep it real
hip hop I'm really not that.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
I don't I love music.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't want to be put in a box. I
don't want to be limited.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
Even when we did Generations, you know, join on the
album at first, Change was like he didn't even want
to hear any.
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Of those beats because we started that record together.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
First, and he was like, I don't want those shorty
alchemists trapped men.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Because to me, I have different bags I go into
depending on the artist. Like if you listen to the
rock Marshy O My Day last December, those beats sound
nothing like these, so I know how to like kind
of create different palettes. But that joint at first, Change
was like, we're gonna use this for something else. And
then we thought about it and was like, you know what,
we should add that into the album because it's like it's.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
Blending the sounds a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I don't want to. I'm not a purist. I'm not
like I hate that other stuff. Keep it real hip hop.
Speaker 11 (17:07):
I love all good and it's bad, you know, in
every category.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
To me, I love that song Generations.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
The hook is we the Generation got all these kids
on the Dirty Spry, We the Generation got got them
on the Perkys every night with the generation got them
on switches. What was the conversation about that hook? Because
Larry you from that generation, I was influenced by a
lot of that, So I know y'all had to have
a conversation about that song.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Man is the truth.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
It just it just when you look at you know
how it is. You know, everybody you get a little older,
they try to unk you to death. They try to
you know, they try to drink most syrup and you
to death. They try to smoke more whatever than you
to death. You got to be like, bro, we do
want to.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Turn y'all out.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We the one got y'all. It's like when I go
back and I listen to somebody like eight Ball and
m JG. Who I came up on. They had songs
like robbery. They had me lurking, you know what I mean.
And so it's the same thing that I know. If
it wasn't a music, it's the videos. It's the lone
blunts and videos we had. It's the double cup this stuff, y'all.
Daddy was attracted too. And then y'all come up and well,
(18:09):
not y'all, I'm just talking about in general. You know
what I'm saying, some people come up and so that's
what the generation idea came from. Like we kind of
the generation that kind of might have messed up some stuff,
you know what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying,
lack of parental advisory going on nowadays, so you know,
(18:30):
lack of church, God and everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
So that's where the idea for generation. So how do
you course correct that though? Or do you even try
to cause correct? Do you just acknowledge it a I
know we did that.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I think you just acknowledge it for me, you know,
you know, I know it takes more than one person
to try to save the world, you know what I mean,
And so trying to be, you know, a frontline soldier
was just not my idea for this. It was just
more like finding a creative way to say we started
a lot of what's.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Going on right And it could go both ways too.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
That's why I thought the hook was dope because it
could be positive or negative like we the generation didn't,
or it could be like an admission of gilt and growth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yo, I'm sorry, Yeah, it's growth about where his kids
and his businesses too.
Speaker 12 (19:18):
But he also let you know where he came from
and where he you know, his growth, but you know,
he young and that's the environment he was in, and uh,
he letting you know where he at now.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He talking about the LLCs and things like that.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
So I see, I look at it as growth, like
you know what I mean, we the generation, but you
know what I'm saying, look at me now, like I
got multiple businesses, like I'm taking care of my kids
and my coaching, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So I thought it was dope.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
The next generation is more prone to listen to somebody
who went through it too and survived it than they
are to somebody who's just telling them they don't do
this and that. But you didn't go through none of that.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Yeah, it's back back in October, you had a I know,
I was saying, you wasn't with def jam no more.
He wasn't going to resign you a free agent?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Is that still? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
This was my first independent produ jack that I've dropped,
like I don't know, man, uh, twenty since twenty maybe
eleven or something, twenty ten, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
tweeny twelve of my first boats, but I was signed
a couple of months before that. But yeah, this was
my first independent project. I just wanted to kind of
like test the waters. I don't have anything against step Jam.
(20:19):
I've been with them over a decade. Found you know.
It was it's ups and downs and everything, you know
what I'm saying. But at the same time, I built
a lot of relationships, you know. It was this was
just kind of stuff right here, it's just a phone call.
You can get up here and stuff like that. Don't
nobody have to set up my New York promo or
anything like that, you know what I mean. So it
was just about getting out here, you know. And it's
(20:41):
it's it's it's for me the best of both words.
I had some great things happening on the major side,
and now I'm learning how to operate in the independent space.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
And it's it's freedom.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Do you like it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Because like they was like we need to drop this
next month. I was like, we can do it this
next week, Like we need to They was looking on
it was like Christmas. They was like we need to
come next the end of January. Then I started being like,
damn boy, this empire.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, but you also got money to change. Like everybody
can't be independent. That's the part of the independence. Folks
don't talk about. You got to have the paper.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
The paper ain't no, yeah, you the budget. Now, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I ain't fully wrapped my head around need to take
what was calling me about the faults and.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Fifties and sixties. We just we just chilled.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
They can't get.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Is like it just be different when you plan. You
know how it is. I describe it.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
You know, when you have somebody else money, I describe
it like this. I just I described like when you
get a run a car, you don't never like stop
up a speed marks, you just jump them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
You get your own car, you do like a you
know what I'm saying, you do like a thing. So
when you got other.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
People money, you're more reckless, you know what I'm saying.
That's what I'm trying to say. You got all people
money for me, I'm not gonna, you know, fuck up
the bag. But I might be a little bit more reckless.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But when it's my.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Money, you go over that speed mass low.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The difference between having your own studio and paying for
studio time. When you have your own studio, you can work,
go to sleep, come back when you're paying for studio time.
In my opinion, you ain't even got time to go pee.
You got the guy, damn this working you got you
know what I'm saying, came in here. So that just
been my mindset to be efficient.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
So what do you like more?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Major?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I haven't been independent, you said October, So not even
six months yet. But for this to be my first
independent project, I'm geek now, but this to be my
first and then you know me come this way, I'm
kind of it looks like a Rin benvention of Bantonio.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know. You know.
Speaker 11 (22:46):
When you spend other people's money, steal your money, they
gotta pay it back.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, that's probably why I'm so officient.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
This time around. Them numbers matter because it's it's a
whole different game for me.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I kind of ain't been stunning numbers for a long
time because, like I'm gonna be real, I don't own
me or my team were not. We so late to
the back party and the streaming party. Once you hear
about it and who doing and all that stuff, you
kind of get discouraged. Like, man, you know a lot
of people are helping themselves or whatever you want to
(23:24):
call it, or cheating or whatever it's called. But then
I think about how I go in the studio nightly
I come up with this stuff. Nobody's beside me helping
me come up with the hood Nobody. I don't know
if this is smarter or not. No want has helped
me write something to I don't know what it is.
But I'm able to go in and still come up
with a dope idea every single night. That's what gives
me the life I got with this stuff, you know
what I'm saying. Other than that, I think, you know,
(23:46):
I'll probably be somewhere else with it. But me knowing
I can go tonight and make a make something incredible,
That's what got me.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
You're a jone company right from the beginning.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
I will Warner Brothers in like twenty seventeen for like
two years, did a couple of EPs with them, and
then I went like fully distro kid like a couple
of years, like just straight on the cell phone app.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And then my team Double Empire. Would you do you
like execution?
Speaker 13 (24:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Man?
Speaker 12 (24:14):
I like independent. I can get to go drop sit
whenever I want to do it. I don't got to
think too much about it. I don't look at the
numbers at all. I might say it a lot, but
I just put it out. It's more like a long
term game for me. It's like like buying stocks in yourself.
Like we're putting the music out there. It's streaming. You know,
you're streaming that. You gotta just click that button. It's coming.
So it's like stocks. I'm putting that ship out.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Either go like it or you don't like it.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
But it's not about acknowledge about your art.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You all gotta go platinum and and that I would
love to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
But I'm just keeping it going, just keeping it going
and expressing my mind through through the music and people
relating to it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And I don't think nothing of it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
And then tonight you'll performing Jimmy fallon show.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
This is your first first time, my first time.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's crazy legendary.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm over here looking around, like, damn.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
The game, Larry, because I mean, you got such a
good head on your shoulders. Mar Like I said, you
talk about financial literacy, you talk about mindfulness. One of
the balls I love on this album. You say I
never had a bitch that was hard to keep found out,
found one solid hole.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Was all I need.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I'm like, for such a young man to understand that,
especially the lifestyle you live, it's found on that line for.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Me just from you know, you know, I have my
kid early nineteen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (25:24):
You know, I was forcing this to have been a
single father very early and now it just kind of
changed my mindset on even like having women around period. Like,
you know, my son ain't been around multiple women at all,
so it was like it just showing him like I'm
not married and nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So he never really got to see see that.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
So I have to always like let him know that, look,
I'm not married like this, but it's it's good to
get married.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I have one person that you're dealing with.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
And I wouldn't always like that, But as I got older,
I started understanding, like, man, one solid woman can change everything.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
You know, you say older, you're thirty three, Yeah I'm you.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Know, but yeah, I'm still doing numbers. Man. I feel
like I feel like I don't leave this ship. Like
a couple of times I ain't go hold you.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I feel like I'm way older and I feel like
they know peace peace like having one solid woman's peace,
you know what I mean. I feel like, you know,
I haven't really experienced that fully yet, you know what
I mean. But I'm getting there, you know what I mean.
But uh, I think it brings a lot of peace.
It can help you work more. And I realized that
when I was recording that song.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It wasn't your father, your uncle, just life like it
was more life.
Speaker 12 (26:30):
Because I had I used to have a multiple you know,
I was a multiple kind of guy, like you know,
I had honeycomb high.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I was you know what I'm saying, spots like a cheetah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (26:38):
You know, I was moving and grooving and it was
taking up too much of my time, you know what
I'm saying, from like working and being with my kid
and dealing with this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And this happened now and got called.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
Text too much extra ship like you know I'm talking about.
So yeah, that's that's kind of where the line came from.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
How important is that change? Because you you know, you
you a married man yourself, you allays see you out
with your queen.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
How important is that to have that?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, It's very important for me, man, especially having somebody
that mature out to take care to make sure home straight,
make sure the little Michelaine and stuff straight, someone that
fully supports me, listens to my music critiques me. She
sent me a very very dope message the morning I
woke up. The first message I read was from was
from Keisha saying basically saying, I was a lyrical god.
(27:23):
JUSTI just doing what she's supposed to do my ego,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, And so
you know, me and her, we laugh every single day.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
We got the same habits. You know what I'm saying.
We go out, you know what I'm saying. She come
to Candy Land with me. It's just like, you know
what I'm saying, when you find somebody like that. I
love that line as well, you know what I'm saying.
We shot the video for that. I thought I was like, Bob,
I'm saying one one, but I don't think they kept
my part in the video. But anyway, that's why it
was cool working with him, because even though the difference
(27:56):
between him and I think Wayne is Wayne is a
more metaphoric type of MC. You know what I'm saying,
style mc you know what I'm saying, and wordplay physics. Well, Larry,
he just like very direct, lifestyle driven, you know what
I'm saying. And so it was cool for me to
pop up my lifestyle like, bro, i'm having this going on,
let me talk, you know what I'm saying. It was
more like it was more like cool ways to express
(28:18):
that you're not done, you know what I'm saying. That's
what this project really it is just a cool way
to spread that. Like you know, man, ain't ain't no
dumb brothers right there.
Speaker 12 (28:25):
You inspired me to saying you how you move with
your wife? I'm like, yeah, that's how you do it.
That's that's how you rocking, and you got your kids
and that's real, you know what I mean. I was
really inspired by that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (28:33):
You mean you're talking about your wife all the time, Like, yes,
that's how you do it. You know that's real bullshit.
Every boss got they queen I'm talking about. So, oh
it is your son thirteen, You turned thirteen, he had
the hotel right now.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You have to have to bring in my school for
this man.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But see, okay, so how does that work?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Because you don't hear about a lot of single dads
with these careers.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's tough.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
How he was torn with me since he was little,
like you know what I mean, I probably trained him
on the spinner van, you know what I mean. So
like sometimes I can make it work, like my dad,
he'll help me on my my grandmother and my mama
fly in and help. But he get times like this
where it's like you got a slide, Come on, we
get the online working, you get to get him a room,
and we just try to just get it done now.
(29:15):
Just I'm just trying to make it happen that you
do get tough. It be on your conscious like damn,
I'm doing the right thing as a parent. You need
to be at school for these three days or whatever.
But he learned the other things to learn the other things,
so and he very like ahead of the game for that.
Just's some traveling with us and seeing different things, being
able to meet you know what I mean, artists and
(29:36):
and he you know, he a big inspirational.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Y'all talk about that thoughing life is beautiful, y'all talk
about trying to balance being a father, you know, and
your career.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
So that's conversations you'll have off the mic.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think it's just evident. It's just the energy he's
gonna talk.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
You know, he spoke about Eli a couple of times,
and then you know, I'm I'm Halo, like the second
highest earner in my household.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
You know what I'm I think.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
He get money.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
How do you do with your son? Because I see
your son hollering at women.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Now, Helo like that you chill out a little bit,
a little bit or I ain't never told Helo even
be humble, nod that you know what I'm Stay there,
you that confident cocky, don't even man humble, won't because
what do this mean?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
What do this mean? If he ever asked me one
humble men? I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.
Stay like you are. And it's just about you installing confidence,
especially in you know, young black boys. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I'm on them about you know, getting his books done,
whether he reading on the way to train or whatever.
But it's just, you know, it's a blessing to have
because I honestly feel like he is a direct reflection
of my father, who passed in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I felt like Helo.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
He just too mature to be nine years old, certainly. Yeah,
so I'd be like man and he started casting just
like my dad was.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
So I really I'm into you know, I'm a spiritual
type of person, so I'm kind of into that. And
then my two girls they growing up driving. My oldest
is driving to school. So it's just like you look
up man, next thing, you know, you know, the house
is gonna be empty and a little bit or whatever
that is, you know what I'm saying. But it was
cool to kind of pop about it over these type
(31:13):
of vibes, you know what I'm saying. And that's that's
that's what it is. I don't think it's about what
the numbers we're gonna do. I think if we thought
about that, we want to drop the week of the
super Bowl, knowing that that's gonna HiPE Kendrick's numbers, you
know what I'm saying. I think it was about putting
out a project that has replay value. I haven't heard
one person that just played it one time. I keep saying,
(31:35):
I can't take it out, I can't stop playing.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It, and I can sleep good at night knowing that
what do you want Halo to do, man, because God's
the limit for a young Halo. What do you want
him to do? Like you personally as a father, what
would you want to say, You're going to the league.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Okay, you're going to league, so you want them here
going to the league. I just really say, you know, no,
I didn't go. I didn't go to the Super Bowl.
I watched it at my studio back in Atlanta with
a couple other guys. I had the chef cook and
I just actually had a show in Chicago on Saturday
with Jeezy, and so I came back to Atlanta Sunday
(32:09):
because I wasn't sure how it was some question marks
about the New Orleans trip, and I just came home
and chill like that, and then I came back out
here yesterday. We shot a video last night. And that's
another thing he got. He got an awesome team. That's
why I like working with Larry too. He got a
really really awesome team. And they would they would this
stuff on all like let's shoot listen, let's do that.
(32:29):
Love that? I love that, And so I landed at elaughing.
We shot the video like one. You know what I'm saying,
He up up we came and you know.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
So, and I'm coming trap from Vegas. I had the
club live right before like some we got the airplane
was straight to the the video. But it'd be hard.
We're getting it done. We looked back like happy we
did all that. Kind of tired, but like, look back
we did that ship coming.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
From the Bay Area. How difficult is it to get
that sound out right?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Because a lot of times when people think of the
Bay Area artist, they put them in a box.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
How difficulty was that for you?
Speaker 12 (33:02):
You know, you got to jump over the loops and
come from different angles, and you gotta be first.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You gotta be respected.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
You know, they gotta know something about you, like know
that you ain't like just a random dude talking about
this and that you got to jump over them loops
like I was. I was blessed to be able to
have connections in atl you know, living in atl when
I was a kid and coming from a different angle
and working with people over there. Like one of my
first mixtapes with tm AD eight the way Mafield, he
gave me a b pack. That was my neighbor, you
(33:29):
know what I mean. They thought me and him was
brothers growing up, so when I still trying to get
into it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I hit him. I hit a few beats. That's the dope.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Think about Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Just everybody, just like you do the mood to Atlanta
if you want to. And just my first the way
I met Wayne was just like this.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
I was I was obviously selling weed, and but I
was I was selling weed, but I was using the
money to book studio time and Patchwork, which is like
a renowned studio on Atlanta. This by one of the
X Falcons players. Everybody would be in there, you know,
that's where people went. And so I was in like
a little b room and baby them from cash Money
(34:08):
was in the a room, thirty cash money dudes whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So somebody came to in and say, hey, them boys,
them boys next door need some weeds. So I was like,
sh I come over there. You know what I'm saying,
it's like the number ones. You know what I'm saying.
I'm being cool, but like he wasn't smoking that time,
but he had some other guys. They take my weed.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I'm telling them. I think this was like four fifty
at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
You know what I'm saying, I take I give them
the zips they don't no money come. You know, I'm like,
I don't know, I can't give nobody. No, we ain't
in that position. So I ain't up going to New
Orleans with them following them about this, now follow them
(34:49):
about this nine hundred and so this was this was
before Katrina or you know, they had all these mansions.
Everybody had a match. They had a matching for everybody.
Then everybody had their own mansion, right and I'm standing
in the match, and for everybody they got a big
jacuzie as a living room sofa. Its many years ago.
And at this point, I'm not a full raper. I'm
(35:09):
a traveler. And one day Wayne comes over and we
go out in like the indoor pool and we smoked
some gas together, you know what I'm saying. And that
that's how I met Wayne, following baby to New Orleans
about these nine hundred dollars that he eventually did you
ever get do I got? I got the money When
he came in with a new car and he was like,
(35:30):
y'all something about the car came up there. I said, hey, man, hey,
o G I really I'm really going to I'm waiting really,
He like say, he goes Slim.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
He did it, so yeah, I just.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Never collected it.
Speaker 11 (35:42):
So every time you see him, you could be like,
that would have been.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
More valuable I needed. Then I looked up. I was
on the way to New Orleans about that. I'm like,
they go to my Slim. We out here, we are
what we're going.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm going. I ain't got nothing to do.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I go to New Orlean but I'm not.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
But you know, you ever thought about changing your name again?
Because you went from teddy boy to to change and
now you you know you're a mogul.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You ever thought about I go by Tony? Okay, I
ain't say to change the whole album. I didn't even
think about that. I did, but that was intentional.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Now the one I asked a hip hop question, favorite
production on the beat? Mine is always shook ones my deep.
That's how I start with your alchemists favorite production of
all time, all time?
Speaker 9 (36:31):
I mean that's so I'll just say maybe what you're saying,
E P M days, I ain't ready for that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You are ready for that? Shoot one?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I just picked one.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
If we're talking about favorite, like ow, you know we
had to be a certain producer. I can't just say
favorite beat of all time.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
I don't think too bright, that's too wow, how many
damn songs?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Because it's that one soe that you always hear that
beat just like h and that's always shook ones for
me every time I heard ship.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Wasn't just set it off in the party, he says out.
You know what I'm saying, you got.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Pocket plan it just I think for me, it's moved.
I'm I'm mood moody, yeah, mouy. So this morning when
I woke up, I listened to Life's Beautiful because that's.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
What mood I was in, right, I went, I heard
that beat me that thing. It was stupid. It just
came on as like a movie when I can see it,
you know what I mean. I saw it like that.
When the beat came on, it.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Was like that was the last song we did too.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
That was the intro, was the last one.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Last.
Speaker 11 (37:32):
We did that in Atlanta.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
And when we did it, we did that that boy
now we did that. No, we did that in l
A l A four in the morning. Remember, Oh yeah,
that's right, But it.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Was the last song we did.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
That's right, watch your name now, Life is Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's how we was feeling at the time, life feeling change.
Change came up with that one.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, because honestly, the song that Larry did, Life is Beautiful.
I really love that song. I really love that song.
I love that the context, the content of it. And
then when I thought about it, and obviously I thought
about it before the because I thought about the La
fires as well, because I got homes in l A.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And so I was like, but any of them affected?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Nah? Man, God, that's good. I'm trying to sell one y'all,
so I'll let me. But but I said to say that,
I didn't want to be offensive to somebody whose life
wasn't beautiful.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
At the time.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
But I kind of just overall I overrode my opinion
on that and I just brought it to the guys.
I think we should call life is beautiful because I
think if you just got life period, you know what
I'm saying, you just got life at a period. That's
that's what I was trying to like, you know what
I'm saying, pinpoint right there?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
One line I love when the records too, you said
I don't gate keeper on want everybody to eat, and
that that's very true about you. Has there been a
time when a gatekeeper trying to keep you up all
the time.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Man, I'm impressionable. Man, I'm you know, I'm somebody that
somebody probably try to set a screen or try to
block on. But man, I'm someone that truly believed that
if it's for you, it's for you. So but yeah,
I've been in that. I'm saying, now we talk about
numbers and all that. This is a big secret, been
going on for years. How people been manipulating the game.
Ain't nobody came and say, shorty, I just seen a
(39:22):
little dude in my in Kindland, in my club. He said,
I do the billboard stuff. I said, bill what I
do the bill boy? He said, artist name? I ain't
even gonna say. He said, he tried to show me page.
I say, ship showy, if this is what you do,
you know, you know cause everybody asked for my number,
I said, I see you again if it's meant to
be the next night he and my club with the
(39:42):
same job.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
In my set.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
So then when I seen that, my intendency, I don't
know if you really about business because you got the
same stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yes, they just I shouldn't even have been judging, because boy,
when he showed me popping up like little bitty measles.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
But he can make you what he can do.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
He show he just was like, I do this. I
make sure. And we was in the club. That's another thing.
I hate talking in the club to y'all. Man. I
can't get y'all, and then I.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Don't want to get too clock if you spit on him,
go crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So that's why I kind of be y'all might think
I'm funny.
Speaker 14 (40:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Let's clear this up now. Let's let's just write a
letter or something. Write a letter, maybe write a I
don't know how we should communicate in the club. If
I don't give you my number, let me think on him.
But just getting really close to me. If I'm sitting
down over me, I hate that, so I'm gonna stand up.
And if you am my ear, I don't like too loud.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
It's too loud. Then I got to.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I got to see what you want?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Is the unclalled this. I got headphones all the time,
so I don't know. You know, that's just the part.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
But I did see some stuff and then it popped
up a couple of weeks later, so I probably need
to find a little buddy, what about.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You the same ship? Like I heard you in the
breakfast club.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
He got the he got the recipe. We're gonna We're
gonna outstream Kindred this week. I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
That's just about you and you. Yeah, I think a
few times, you know what I mean, but I don't
really see it as much.
Speaker 12 (41:27):
I'm not gonna lie be in my own bubble, but
I think people do try to gay keep, But I
try to do my thing so much that I can
avoid that as much as possible. When I'm focused on
the I'm more like fan driven, like for the people.
So you can try to get keep with the people,
rocking with me all the haze, it don't even matter.
Like the people is the people. I'm still doing digits,
you know what I mean. I'm still pulling up, hopping out,
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drinking orange juice and ship you know I'm talking about.
That's because I'm focused on the people.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 12 (41:56):
That the fans like listen to all the outside and ship,
don't you know? They shouldn't do that. I can't get
him on that show, then fuck it. We go keep
going outside. We'll keep hopping that trunk, and we'll keep
doing numbers.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You know what I mean about you?
Speaker 9 (42:07):
They try to keep you away from certain artists, and
I mean just straight up gatekeeping is corny.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's laying.
Speaker 9 (42:14):
Anybody who does that is like a sucker to me,
Like you're insecure, you know what I'm saying to me,
gatekeeper has got to be some of the dumbest shit.
Like there was some stuff I encountered over the years,
but more than that, I encountered the opposite, like DJ Premiere,
Like when I first met him and was around him,
Like I met jay Z my first time with Premiere,
and he was.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Like, Yo, this is al He's dope, he got beats.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
And what I took from that was like Premiere is
the utmost level of secure.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
He's not afraid.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
If you gatekeeping, you must be afraid that this next
guy is gonna come take your spot.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Get up out of there.
Speaker 11 (42:47):
That's nasty. I don't I don't approve of gatekeeping, Like
we stand against that, you.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Now, you just meet the grams.
Speaker 9 (42:54):
Originally was that a gospel record supposed to be a
gospel samples is from a gospel gospel record?
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Yeah, what gospel loawgs? You made that dog shit?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
For you know, I didn't.
Speaker 11 (43:05):
Like yeah, and I you know, yeah, that's that's the
gospel record here.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
The sample was how do you feel wh people make
your beat like this record?
Speaker 9 (43:16):
It happens a lot to me, it does happen to
you like fifty of the animal things back then, and
it was the Bang Bang and I will come like
I want to be switchering.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Really.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
I tried to tell the rappers, hey, I'm switchering, like
leave me out of it, you know, but they end
up making me the battleground. I mean, I'm indifferent to it,
just like I'm not. I don't have a dog, you know.
So it's like I make I make beats.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Do people get mad at you though?
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Cause sometimes I know you're like, but look, here's the beat.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I'm not sure for.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
Sure, but you know, in that case, I had sent
the record to dot like like excuse me months before
that happened, and like I heard it when everyone else
heard it, so it was like, yeah, that was one
of them situations where it was like I don't like
to get involved in stuff, but sometimes it happens, you know.
Speaker 11 (43:59):
It was you know, it was tricky during the time
when p in Mall Deep and for J.
Speaker 9 (44:05):
It was always a weird thing and it probably stopped
me from doing work with J back then.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 11 (44:10):
But you know that's what you posted Which times we
spoke for sure back then?
Speaker 9 (44:15):
You know what I mean, Like definitely you was so
click with MOBP what I mean you remember back then
it was kind of like it was like there are
instances where they're like, damn their family and it would
kind of be awkward.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Listen, man, this is a crazy question because I asked
my I said, do you feel more like an East
Coast producer or a West Coast producer?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
He like, what coast?
Speaker 5 (44:35):
And then we walked into my piece of spot.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And it was like to New York, Yo, yo, yo yo.
I never thought about you with the West Coast are
synonymous East Coast production? Nociper said, But no, I never never, right, Okay,
we made my mark out here, like if somebody had
(44:58):
to tell me to look like the top tenies go
producers of all the time I'm putting documents on that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Queens.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
I mean, I put in a lot of work here,
you know, So, I mean it's blessing in New York
embraced me and I had an opportunity at the time
to work with like think about that era, like I
was working with Lives Mob Deep, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
In the time when they was like aplan airplane.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
How'd I get And I went to school first, I
went to YU and then I just stayed here. I
was already tied in with Mugs. Long story short. He
connected me with Mob Deep and that everything happened from there.
That's why I love Mob Deep forever. Like I actually
had to ask Pe when he was beefing with Knaves
to go work with Knaves on god Son because that's
what we go back to the beef thing. I respected
P is that and P was during their beef and
(45:46):
P was like, oh, I know you're gonna give him
some heap of go out there, go out. He gave
me the blessing and go do it, which was always
appreciation for that. But yeah, I mean that's how it
started from Mob Deep.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
It was like, what are we gonna make it for
jay Z?
Speaker 11 (46:00):
It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I played it for him though.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
Yeah, you know hip hop, you know Campbell, it has
been my brother for a long time, and I should
go over there and play beach. And one time he
popped his head and he just checked it out and
it wasn't for him, I guess, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Why did you lie to Drake about being good? Kendrick said, two,
Chain said you good?
Speaker 1 (46:19):
But he lied? Why you do that?
Speaker 7 (46:25):
You know?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I just think it was kind of like some word
play because Drake and I got a song called no Lie,
and so when he said he lied, I just felt like,
I don't know, but I didn't take it as no
kind of way. I don't think he was taking a
shot at me. I've heard all type of instants when
somebody wanted me to say something back. I just think
it was a Mama where it was about Atlanta artists,
(46:50):
and you know, I do have a couple of plaques
with Drake, probably three or four plazes with Drake. I
think a lot of that people in that Scott so
with him. So that was just Kentrick, Well, just dialing
in on some subject matter.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
When you first heard it, what was your reaction?
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Well, I can tell you that I can tell you
that people who name me didn't say felt some type
of way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
So I don't I was okay with it, you know
what I'm saying. You got other line of art at homies.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
You know, I don't just a little babies a little
basic and he said, keep me out of that.
Speaker 11 (47:22):
I want.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Yeah, some people didn't want their name. Some people was like,
why you didn't say my name? And it just no,
like it's just a moment. It was just a moment
that you know, but it didn't do nothing to me.
I know, I think my my harmony, my my middle
kid definitely says somebody asked at school, but it didn't
get it didn't get hectic.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
It was it was yeah, not in here. I didn't
hear no, he said.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Line the last verse.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I never heard that. But that song.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Is on purpose, like you for the lights, like refuge.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
With everybody.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
I can particularly hear that that song. Fully, I heard
a lot on Instagram and stuff like they need. I
was doing the album with him at the time. I
wasn't listening to too much ship though like that. But uh,
you know, Kendrick, it's a little Kendrick. He hard respect
the Kendred Sure. I just didn't know he brought you up.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
You never heard that.
Speaker 12 (48:23):
Last Verson, by the way, phenomenal last Verson coming on
the picture, like kept saying like they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I didn't see that, but I never heard.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
You know what it is.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
You know, it's not a lot of songs with three verses.
Three verses, so it's three verses the third.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You know what I mean. That's my opinion. I don't
think a lot of songs. I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
On everything.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
I love He he in his own bubble. That's why
I love Wayne.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's why I love him me.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
That's why I love me.
Speaker 11 (48:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Be in my own bubble.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
I mean, of course I know some of the things
I need to know, but I really be clueless to
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And I'm cool with that.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I'm just cool with that.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
You ain't here with Kendrick. Did you on the four first?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh God?
Speaker 7 (49:16):
One last question?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Change?
Speaker 7 (49:17):
How does it make you feel when you hit gods?
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like Tyler the Creator co signing this album Life is
Beautiful and he actually said two chains you on this
type of time.
Speaker 7 (49:25):
Is yes with a bunch of essays.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
It feels good. I have a great report with child.
I don't think people know.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
You know what I'm saying, great port and he's booked
me for it all before when I was in a wheelchair.
He booked me and was in the front. So I've
listened to his last couple of albums and supported what
he has done. And then I guess this one just
spoke to him. And he has a lot of influence,
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so it felt good for him to not hold his
nuts on something that he thought was very tasteful, and
he didn't. I didn't ask him to do anything, he
just did it. So you know a lot of these
artists a gate keeper.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I don't know that's another version of gatekeeper.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
But I can't let nobody know what's hard like.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
That sometimes sometimes with no matter was the man.
Speaker 7 (50:20):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I respect him.
Speaker 7 (50:22):
Crazy me too to yours, Like like, what's your class.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Man? That's a good question, you know, maybe you know change, Yeah,
you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
A different generation I'm talking about, like your classic Like
uh said, he don't hang with the young.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
Man really old?
Speaker 12 (50:42):
Yeah yeah, he really like what he really I grew
up with, like you know, MESSI mar Juice, the jack
at A lot of classic they was older. I always
hanged with a lot of older people, you know what
I mean. So I really didn't really know too many people.
But when I was in the a I met, uh you.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Know O G Mack go.
Speaker 12 (51:01):
Tmdiate a lot of them rappers like that that New Atlanta,
like the Batman Keys and all that Curtis and all.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I kind of all that, you know what I mean.
So I seen that whole air and ship like that. Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 12 (51:13):
I was at nineteen. I became a father, so like
I wasn't really I was trying to get my bread up.
I didn't have no whip. I was trying to really,
I said, I got nine months to get my ship together,
and I just put my head down and I just
was trying to create this world for myself. So yeah,
I kind of missed a lot. I didn't go to
no proms, I didn't do none of that. I was
strictly yeah, like the Beautiful Man.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Let's let's get into a joint of that which I want.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
To hear.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Life is Beautiful and text like the single Bad Choices,
which I would hear Generation Generation. All right, let's get
in the generation. Pick up the album streaming right now
to Chaine, Larry You and The Alchemist. It's The Breakfast Club,
Good Morning, so.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast
Wake that ass up early in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in Steed j n v
Ess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
You got some special guests.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
In the building.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yes, indeed we got the Alchemists.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got Larry June and two Chains. Welcome album. Life
is beautiful as out right now.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Early Album of the Year contend. It's still early. It's
only February. Early Album of the Year contender. Man, I
appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Change came in here, like, where's my picture on the wall?
I'm walking around here? But his picture is right there.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Next thing.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
They got his feet up, He got his feet up there.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
No, I hadn't been to this location.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's the first time here.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
It's my first.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's been a minute since you've been up here.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So how y'all brother's feeling feeling good? How about you?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Change had to make the wall number one of your legend.
That's number one. But number two Chains was the first,
the first breakfast club show we ever did. Oh boy,
and the first person say anything was too changed? How'd
you get two chains around?
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Matter?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You were here so at the time, we didn't have
no money right, so to change did it for the love?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And Charlemagne was supposed to handle transpen what.
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Change was red hot?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I mean red hot like early too early in carnal?
What's the word in car nations of two change? You
don't know what red hat? But Charlamage was supposed to
handle car service. Charlamagne man had a car. Charlamage didn't
say it was a caravan, picked up two changes in
the caravan.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 7 (01:25):
You just thought that was cool. I had the money.
Speaker 8 (01:29):
But you're supposed to let a nigga know a van
gonna come pick him up, and not a black.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
I don't know they was going in a van. I
thought they had asked yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But change that he never he never did, never play
and always never talked.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
About alwayshows love.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
We always appreciate that, Sir three link up for this album.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
How we do it?
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, let me see, I know Larry and I work
together before. I'm a fan of his music. You know
what I'm saying. He a player. You know what I'm saying,
I'm a player and I don't know. We had a
conversation like just about doing a couple of records. Yeah,
and he's somebody that is into like cohesiveness and everything.
(02:08):
So he was like, we just need to do one producer.
You know what I'm saying, We're gonna rob with Al
And it just started becoming like you know what I'm saying.
Every time a song was finished, it started to becoming
just dope and dope, you know what I mean. And
I felt like, man, we probably ain't do about six
seven more, you know what I'm saying. And before you
knew it is like what he said, the early contender
(02:29):
for album.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, And how did Alchemists get to play? Why was
he the producer? Why he was the one that's like,
this is the sound we want for this?
Speaker 9 (02:36):
We had we were already working like we've been talking
for a while. We had a couple of records in motion,
like the last couple of years, and.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
I've been working with Al but with me a lot
of my projects, they would have different producers, so I
would have two or three our type joints on it
feel good, but people would just kind of go towards
the party records or the trap records. So it felt
good for me just to do what I really like
to do best is and that's a.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Rapt Those real hip hop beat, that boom battle you
know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (03:03):
That sun done.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yo yo yo?
Speaker 7 (03:07):
What about those type of that sound energizes your pen.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
My voice is able to cut through on samples. With
the trap drums, I'll be having to like kind of
yell a little bit. I can sit down and record.
When I'm doing these songs, I'll be having to stand
up record trap songs and then and I'd be having
to kind of be creative and sometimes it hit it
and sometimes it miss but I have to be creative
around the drums and kind of peek my head out.
But with those loops and things like that, I'm able
just to get my idea across looser.
Speaker 9 (03:35):
Yeah, you get looser because it's like it's just a
phil at it's not like you know, like it's kind
of understated the production, so at least room for like
the lyricists, like if you if you got something to
say on those type of beats, you're gonna flourish, you know,
change Larry there, those type of mcs like less is more.
Speaker 10 (03:51):
It's found on that like a file a like yeah,
like a raw versus like a stacked up like I
would compare like a track to something that's layered up
on the vocals.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Some of these are kind of just.
Speaker 9 (04:03):
Raw and it's just like a mood, you know what
I mean, where it's like they're just to just to
move their pens.
Speaker 11 (04:07):
So it's like the focus is on the lyricists.
Speaker 9 (04:10):
And you know, I mean change, I don't. He's been
one the people who know music. No to Change has
always been top tier with the pen like, but he
always had the knack to make hit records too, you know,
but that never fooled me, Like I could tell the
MC's like a big Sean or somebody who's like, yo,
he makes shit records, but he can rap like extremely well, like.
Speaker 11 (04:30):
With anybody who you would put on any list, you know.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
So so that's your comference on the trap is not
really a trap you just do for us?
Speaker 6 (04:37):
He ain't really no, So of course I trapped before, right,
and even on this type of subject matter, I talk
about the streets and the trap. But early on I'm
always throw Tech under the bus for this.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Early on, I was doing a mixtape. It was called
all Ice on Meal. It was a double.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Mixtape, and I had who doing was it? It was
you and who else? It was him? A screen, and
then I gave Tech like some my your.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Kids stuff, and he was like, boy, I don't want
I want some boy, give me some of that trap.
And then when I gave some of that trap, he
came back with like data saying, boy, I'm telling you
they rocking with this right here. So he was more
as a manager, more data driven as far as like
what the people were kind of leaning towards. When I
would drop a project that had some some lyrics and
(05:24):
some trap stuff, you know what I mean. But you know,
I'm in this thing to like to show growth anyway
and to show that anything's possible.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You know what I'm saying. I ain't get my meeting
Stiles after thirty.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
You know what I'm saying. I'm still out here having
more motion in the ocean. I'm saying, business is doing good.
The rap's gonna come out. We're gonna talk about how
we got these businesses in this passive income going. We're
gonna popy like that. You know what I'm saying. I
ain't spending no blocks. I ain't got time to go
to jail, leave my family. I ain't no more crash
dummy mission. You could never get me like that. So
it's just like I just stay out the way. I'm very,
(05:54):
very highly confident in everything I do, and so that's
my comfort zone, knowing it when I walk in the room,
my chin up, my chest.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I don't like that, you know what I'm saying. Like, man,
God did his thing with me.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Now, you like to collaborate a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Change Like it feels like you like competing, right, whether
it's early on with Drake or it's with Wayne, it's
with Larry ju And why is that you never fall back?
You always seemed like you want to do that more.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I think Atlanta is a place that we just are
into doing collaborations, you know what I'm saying. Atlanta artists
always we always work together and work with different people.
We never had that problem, you know what I mean. So,
like I said, respect Larry, I wanted I wanted to
do this project. It wasn't Larry idea. I like, we
ought to do this, you know what I'm saying. And
I was just I wanted to do it too.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Yeah, I'm just letting you know. Like I mean, I
go to Vegas, I go to Miami. I tell DJ
Man put on that smoothie. In nineteen ninety one. I
tell him, I want to hear that before I get
out of here, you know what I'm saying. So it
was just about it was just genuine organic like his campaign.
It was just organic love, and so it.
Speaker 12 (06:54):
Came organic too though it wasn't even We didn't think
too much about it just kind of came. Yeah, he
had a few records, sent it to me and then
we just kept that ship rocking.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It was real smooth.
Speaker 7 (07:04):
What I like about you you wrap about.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
You wrap about a lot of health and in organic living,
Like what got you into a mindfulness lifestyle and what
made you start putting that in your music?
Speaker 12 (07:14):
You know, I started a little like I dropped my
first mixtape when I was fifteen. I was kind of
talking about a lot of shit that I wouldn't really
like fully into. Then I had just tuned into my
real what I was into and like my actual life,
and when I saw I wrap about my day to day
shit to just start working for me, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm kind of like him. I didn't make no.
Speaker 12 (07:31):
Bread into to my thirties really too, so you know,
I had they go through the ups and downs and
really finding myself as an artists, and when I start
talking about the shit that I really like to do,
it just kind of start coming natural for me.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
So early on you had a lot of cap in
your app.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 12 (07:44):
I was fifteen sixteen, you know, I just kind of
more influenced by the hip hop, you know what I mean,
and the shit you know what I mean. And it's
finding myself as an artist, you know what I mean.
And when I start doing that and really like fall
on like what I want to do and start working out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Did somebody tell you how did you just check yourself?
Did somebody be like, come on, nobody.
Speaker 12 (08:01):
Didn't tell me I was around all that. You know,
I'm from that, you know what kind of that was
like my my environment and shit. But it was just
more like what can I bring different to the game?
I was like, you know, it's only one me. I
can talk about my life and what I do and
people will relate to it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Some people might not, you know, people will. I'm thankful
that some people do.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You talk about financial literacy a lot too, which is
interesting because you know, to chains he talks about flexing
a lot, right so and spending a lot.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
So how did that you know?
Speaker 12 (08:28):
Mention the studio, Uh, listening to a lot of audio books,
you know in high school, like you know, Robert Kolsaki
and shit like and stuff like that, and just just
trying to do better, you know what I mean, coming
from that environment, and you know, just trying to switch
it up and do something different and have longevity in
my career. So I start knowledging myself about things like
(08:48):
that and just you know, put it into the music,
you know what I mean, and letting people know, not
the major and minor things.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
But I still I still flex.
Speaker 12 (08:55):
I talk about shit, my fleck's a little different, you know,
I might talk about a fifteen dollars orange juice some
ship like that. I'm just saying about hop out with
the lawsuit to the side, very peacefully.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I'm talking about Now you.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
Got a bunch of singles that you drop on like
different platforms like streaming platforms and then YouTube exclusive, how
do you like figure out what's going drop where?
Speaker 11 (09:17):
Because in different places.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
So when I do it, just the YouTube, I just
put it out.
Speaker 12 (09:22):
I don't think too much about it, just put it
out just more just for the for the fans, and uh,
just keeping it going. I don't really think I don't
think too much about it. I talked to day, but
just do it, like, let's do it, do whatever we feel.
I don't really think too much about it.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
What do you like about Larry is an MC?
Speaker 9 (09:40):
I mean when you know, first linking with him, it
was like first like the tone, you know, like I
go off of music, you know, like obviously Resting Peace
Prodigy that was like my brother. We did a lot
of music together and sometimes it's just like the tone,
it's just something similar to her with Body James or
it was like Larry tone was crazy. And then I
(10:00):
was actually late. Once I got hip to his shit,
it was like he was deep in. I had to
go back and like, do you know because like with
Larry's music, you could you need a tour guy because
he got so many different styles, like it just depends
who takes you through it, you know, the right way.
And it was like I dug into his music and
was like, Okay, I figured out after a while, Okay,
(10:21):
I feel I felt like I could make something that'll
fit to it, you know what I'm saying. And then
when we started working we did like one joint. I
think it was j Worthy who linked us up and
then it sounded good and for me, if I if
I can get one, it sounds good.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
You know the Monico joints. Yeah, for your album Go Joint.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Before we did Great Escape, we did one joint for
his album, and it was like, I felt like there
was potential because sometimes you do one record with somebody
and it's like one and done, and sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Build a better relationship.
Speaker 9 (10:47):
Plus just like my brother now, Larry is super likable,
like he's just one of the coolest movies, just my brother.
So you know, in music you build relationships sometimes beyond
how long did.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
This this project take?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Because I saw an interview you said if you Larry,
you said, rapping gives you anxiety?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Uh, with that?
Speaker 12 (11:07):
Working with Change he changed that. But he worked so
quick and he owned he on my phone with a verse.
With a Verse, I had to switch my whole program
up so that this was pretty quick, you know what
I mean. We got a few records we didn't put
out yet, and it was I ain't I was keeping
up with Change. I ain't got he was. He was
giving me the sauce, and I was see what I
can do? Me come different on here. So like working
with chains and al like definitely took me out my element,
(11:29):
you know what I mean, different patterns and uh topics
and and it's making me a better m C.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm very thankful.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Is that pressure of that pressure line by the verse.
Speaker 12 (11:40):
It ain't it ain't pressure. It's more like I'm just
I'm getting better, you know what I mean. And he
he are real lyricists. He really really do this ship
so like he give me like styles and I ain't
even thought about even doing me rap like this and
try this and just putting me in a different box.
Just like when I did the Great Escape with you,
I was telling him like, man, I love these beast dudes.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
He was putting me you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (11:59):
He made I think he made us both step up
just because of the level that changes as an artist
and as perfection. It's like we went out to Atlanta
and got to work with him in his lab and
just got to like get his energy in his world.
That was like is different, super impressive, like sleepy in
his in his city. It's like I went home like
(12:20):
as a different animals just seeing his operation like change
is a mastermind. So both of us going out there
seeing his operation in Atlanta was like super motivating like heah,
we gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I want to.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
I feel like Wayne was on you like that change.
I feel like I feel like I can see you
and Wayne working together and Wayne hitting you up, like
where is the verse?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
The song is done?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:39):
This was men and Wayne?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We this we was.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
That's why I was on him like that because I'm
used to Wayne shooting it right back. I'm used to
thinking I'm finna smoke this guy. And he sent it
back with just some crazy shit with wind level and
some lyrics and and so it was just like telling Larry,
just don't they don't overthink it, like you know what
I mean. So with man Toune, we actually have hundreds
of we work really fast together. He's someone that I
(13:02):
can go on. I can go in the booth with
half an idea and finish it up. What's like getting
a booth and then Wayne and going to the booth
with the whole idea. So he'll just want to take
the whole thing all the way through. So it's just
different rhyme styles. But actually working with him has made
me a better artist, like he said I did for him.
So it's cool to be able to like trinkle down
and pass that energy on because me doing two projects
with Wayne, I'd be lying if I say I ain't
(13:24):
get better. You know what I'm saying right rocking with him?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
You know, I was gonna ask you what you mentioned
earlier with Prodigy two questions with that, Are you surprised
about how much love that Prodigy is getting now in
the last couple of years.
Speaker 11 (13:36):
I feel like people are.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Dissecting what he's been saying, and I think they missed
it before. I've been seeing it more and more and
more recently.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
I always felt like that was gonna happen, like they
become like more legendary after, you know, because they did
so much work.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
It was like insane and you could just peel.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
Back layers of prodigies rhymes like he went so far,
he was so ahead of his time that it's like
and even them, it's funny them being small too.
Speaker 11 (14:00):
I always felt like them being.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
These two little guys, like they would be rediscovered in
twenty years by some young kids like mob Deep, Like
if some kids finds them in twenty years, they're gonna
hit it, strike a gold mine. Like their discography is
like unmatched, and you know, yeah, I mean Pea's legend
lives like he did more than the average person while
he was here and even left behind a lot of stuff.
Speaker 11 (14:23):
So we're lucky enough to be working on a new
mob deep project.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There's another we have change.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
It looked like what doing the beats and you know
Nas is.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Involved, and yeah, man, it feels.
Speaker 9 (14:38):
Great, just even just like when you hear his voice again,
you're gonna be like, wow, missed you know what I'm saying,
Like how much we missed it. It's a void just
not hearing his voice anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
The Metro reach out to you because when he was inspired,
it seemed like Prodigy inspired couple of projects.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
I reached out to him actually and thanked him for
that because I thought that was so dope. When they
sampled his voice throughout the album, just kept his spiritual
That was just super and.
Speaker 11 (15:03):
Plus you know him in Future had a little bit
of history as well.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
In Future were cool.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
There's a video that they never came out with that
p is in actually a Future video and that it
never came I forget what song it was, but they
were they were cool.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
It was a dope contrast artists with creation from Somebody
is Ship Poppers Pope.
Speaker 9 (15:24):
But I think we're keeping the tradition alive even doing this,
that's doing you know me coming from you know, you
know where my history and then Lincoln with somebody like
Change and Larry and just bringing it all together.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You know you have a bar when when you That
was my secon question.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Do you have a bar of artists that you work with,
like you be like I'm not working with him because
it's just this doesn't fit or is it like I
give everybody opportunity like Larry Jewel fists chains fists, but
certain one somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Else might not fit.
Speaker 13 (15:48):
That might say you I need alchemists a beat cool,
but yeah, certain artists fit more where I feel like
I could make whole projects with like you know, Rock Marcy,
you know Body, James, Larry, June to Change.
Speaker 11 (16:00):
Of course, Prodigy and I. You know I do have
some like repeat you know friends that I work with.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I told I told him I'm making my pop producer
by rocking with me when we had them conversation like nah,
you know low key underground like boys stop make yes
pop out here.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
But I think I get the jacket put on me
sometimes and be in this like purist, keep it real
hip hop I'm really not that.
Speaker 11 (16:24):
I don't I love music.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't want to be put in a box. I
don't want to be limited.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
Even when we did Generations, you know, join on the
album at first, Change was like he didn't even want
to hear any.
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Of those beats because we started that record together.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
First, and he was like, I don't want those shorty
alchemists trapped men.
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Because to me, I have different bags I go into
depending on the artist. Like if you listen to the
rock Marshy O My Day last December, those beats sound
nothing like these, so I know how to like kind
of create different palettes. But that joint at first, Change
was like, we're gonna use this for something else. And
then we thought about it and was like, you know what,
we should add that into the album because it's like it's.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
Blending the sounds a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I don't want to. I'm not a purist. I'm not
like I hate that other stuff. Keep it real hip hop.
Speaker 11 (17:07):
I love all good and it's bad, you know, in
every category.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
To me, I love that song Generations.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
The hook is we the Generation got all these kids
on the Dirty Spry, We the Generation got got them
on the Perkys every night with the generation got them
on switches. What was the conversation about that hook? Because
Larry you from that generation, I was influenced by a
lot of that, So I know y'all had to have
a conversation about that song.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Man is the truth.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
It just it just when you look at you know
how it is. You know, everybody you get a little older,
they try to unk you to death. They try to
you know, they try to drink most syrup and you
to death. They try to smoke more whatever than you
to death. You got to be like, bro, we do
want to.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Turn y'all out.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We the one got y'all. It's like when I go
back and I listen to somebody like eight Ball and
m JG. Who I came up on. They had songs
like robbery. They had me lurking, you know what I mean.
And so it's the same thing that I know. If
it wasn't a music, it's the videos. It's the lone
blunts and videos we had. It's the double cup this stuff, y'all.
Daddy was attracted too. And then y'all come up and well,
(18:09):
not y'all, I'm just talking about in general. You know
what I'm saying, some people come up and so that's
what the generation idea came from. Like we kind of
the generation that kind of might have messed up some stuff,
you know what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying,
lack of parental advisory going on nowadays, so you know,
(18:30):
lack of church, God and everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
So that's where the idea for generation. So how do
you course correct that though? Or do you even try
to cause correct? Do you just acknowledge it a I
know we did that.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I think you just acknowledge it for me, you know,
you know, I know it takes more than one person
to try to save the world, you know what I mean,
And so trying to be, you know, a frontline soldier
was just not my idea for this. It was just
more like finding a creative way to say we started
a lot of what's.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Going on right And it could go both ways too.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
That's why I thought the hook was dope because it
could be positive or negative like we the generation didn't,
or it could be like an admission of gilt and growth.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yo, I'm sorry, Yeah, it's growth about where his kids
and his businesses too.
Speaker 12 (19:18):
But he also let you know where he came from
and where he you know, his growth, but you know,
he young and that's the environment he was in, and uh,
he letting you know where he at now.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He talking about the LLCs and things like that.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
So I see, I look at it as growth, like
you know what I mean, we the generation, but you
know what I'm saying, look at me now, like I
got multiple businesses, like I'm taking care of my kids
and my coaching, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So I thought it was dope.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
The next generation is more prone to listen to somebody
who went through it too and survived it than they
are to somebody who's just telling them they don't do
this and that. But you didn't go through none of that.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Yeah, it's back back in October, you had a I know,
I was saying, you wasn't with def jam no more.
He wasn't going to resign you a free agent?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Is that still? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
This was my first independent produ jack that I've dropped,
like I don't know, man, uh, twenty since twenty maybe
eleven or something, twenty ten, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
tweeny twelve of my first boats, but I was signed
a couple of months before that. But yeah, this was
my first independent project. I just wanted to kind of
like test the waters. I don't have anything against step Jam.
(20:19):
I've been with them over a decade. Found you know.
It was it's ups and downs and everything, you know
what I'm saying. But at the same time, I built
a lot of relationships, you know. It was this was
just kind of stuff right here, it's just a phone call.
You can get up here and stuff like that. Don't
nobody have to set up my New York promo or
anything like that, you know what I mean. So it
was just about getting out here, you know. And it's
(20:41):
it's it's it's for me the best of both words.
I had some great things happening on the major side,
and now I'm learning how to operate in the independent space.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
And it's it's freedom.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Do you like it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Because like they was like we need to drop this
next month. I was like, we can do it this
next week, Like we need to They was looking on
it was like Christmas. They was like we need to
come next the end of January. Then I started being like,
damn boy, this empire.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, but you also got money to change. Like everybody
can't be independent. That's the part of the independence. Folks
don't talk about. You got to have the paper.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
The paper ain't no, yeah, you the budget. Now, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I ain't fully wrapped my head around need to take
what was calling me about the faults and.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Fifties and sixties. We just we just chilled.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
They can't get.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
It.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Is like it just be different when you plan. You
know how it is. I describe it.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
You know, when you have somebody else money, I describe
it like this. I just I described like when you
get a run a car, you don't never like stop
up a speed marks, you just jump them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Damn.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
You get your own car, you do like a you
know what I'm saying, you do like a thing. So
when you got other.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
People money, you're more reckless, you know what I'm saying.
That's what I'm trying to say. You got all people
money for me, I'm not gonna, you know, fuck up
the bag. But I might be a little bit more reckless.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But when it's my.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Money, you go over that speed mass low.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
The difference between having your own studio and paying for
studio time. When you have your own studio, you can work,
go to sleep, come back when you're paying for studio time.
In my opinion, you ain't even got time to go pee.
You got the guy, damn this working you got you
know what I'm saying, came in here. So that just
been my mindset to be efficient.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
So what do you like more?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Major?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I haven't been independent, you said October, So not even
six months yet. But for this to be my first
independent project, I'm geek now, but this to be my
first and then you know me come this way, I'm
kind of it looks like a Rin benvention of Bantonio.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know. You know.
Speaker 11 (22:46):
When you spend other people's money, steal your money, they
gotta pay it back.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, that's probably why I'm so officient.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
This time around. Them numbers matter because it's it's a
whole different game for me.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I kind of ain't been stunning numbers for a long
time because, like I'm gonna be real, I don't own
me or my team were not. We so late to
the back party and the streaming party. Once you hear
about it and who doing and all that stuff, you
kind of get discouraged. Like, man, you know a lot
of people are helping themselves or whatever you want to
(23:24):
call it, or cheating or whatever it's called. But then
I think about how I go in the studio nightly
I come up with this stuff. Nobody's beside me helping
me come up with the hood Nobody. I don't know
if this is smarter or not. No want has helped
me write something to I don't know what it is.
But I'm able to go in and still come up
with a dope idea every single night. That's what gives
me the life I got with this stuff, you know
what I'm saying. Other than that, I think, you know,
(23:46):
I'll probably be somewhere else with it. But me knowing
I can go tonight and make a make something incredible,
That's what got me.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
You're a jone company right from the beginning.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
I will Warner Brothers in like twenty seventeen for like
two years, did a couple of EPs with them, and
then I went like fully distro kid like a couple
of years, like just straight on the cell phone app.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And then my team Double Empire. Would you do you
like execution?
Speaker 13 (24:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Man?
Speaker 12 (24:14):
I like independent. I can get to go drop sit
whenever I want to do it. I don't got to
think too much about it. I don't look at the
numbers at all. I might say it a lot, but
I just put it out. It's more like a long
term game for me. It's like like buying stocks in yourself.
Like we're putting the music out there. It's streaming. You know,
you're streaming that. You gotta just click that button. It's coming.
So it's like stocks. I'm putting that ship out.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Either go like it or you don't like it.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
But it's not about acknowledge about your art.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You all gotta go platinum and and that I would
love to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
But I'm just keeping it going, just keeping it going
and expressing my mind through through the music and people
relating to it.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And I don't think nothing of it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
And then tonight you'll performing Jimmy fallon show.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
This is your first first time, my first time.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's crazy legendary.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm over here looking around, like, damn.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
The game, Larry, because I mean, you got such a
good head on your shoulders. Mar Like I said, you
talk about financial literacy, you talk about mindfulness. One of
the balls I love on this album. You say I
never had a bitch that was hard to keep found out,
found one solid hole.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Was all I need.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I'm like, for such a young man to understand that,
especially the lifestyle you live, it's found on that line for.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Me just from you know, you know, I have my
kid early nineteen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (25:24):
You know, I was forcing this to have been a
single father very early and now it just kind of
changed my mindset on even like having women around period. Like,
you know, my son ain't been around multiple women at all,
so it was like it just showing him like I'm
not married and nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
So he never really got to see see that.
Speaker 12 (25:40):
So I have to always like let him know that, look,
I'm not married like this, but it's it's good to
get married.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I have one person that you're dealing with.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
And I wouldn't always like that, But as I got older,
I started understanding, like, man, one solid woman can change everything.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
You know, you say older, you're thirty three, Yeah I'm you.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Know, but yeah, I'm still doing numbers. Man. I feel
like I feel like I don't leave this ship. Like
a couple of times I ain't go hold you.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
I feel like I'm way older and I feel like
they know peace peace like having one solid woman's peace,
you know what I mean. I feel like, you know,
I haven't really experienced that fully yet, you know what
I mean. But I'm getting there, you know what I mean.
But uh, I think it brings a lot of peace.
It can help you work more. And I realized that
when I was recording that song.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
It wasn't your father, your uncle, just life like it
was more life.
Speaker 12 (26:30):
Because I had I used to have a multiple you know,
I was a multiple kind of guy, like you know,
I had honeycomb high.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I was you know what I'm saying, spots like a cheetah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (26:38):
You know, I was moving and grooving and it was
taking up too much of my time, you know what
I'm saying, from like working and being with my kid
and dealing with this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And this happened now and got called.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
Text too much extra ship like you know I'm talking about.
So yeah, that's that's kind of where the line came from.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
How important is that change? Because you you know, you
you a married man yourself, you allays see you out
with your queen.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
How important is that to have that?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, It's very important for me, man, especially having somebody
that mature out to take care to make sure home straight,
make sure the little Michelaine and stuff straight, someone that
fully supports me, listens to my music critiques me. She
sent me a very very dope message the morning I
woke up. The first message I read was from was
from Keisha saying basically saying, I was a lyrical god.
(27:23):
JUSTI just doing what she's supposed to do my ego,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, And so
you know, me and her, we laugh every single day.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Man.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
We got the same habits. You know what I'm saying.
We go out, you know what I'm saying. She come
to Candy Land with me. It's just like, you know
what I'm saying, when you find somebody like that. I
love that line as well, you know what I'm saying.
We shot the video for that. I thought I was like, Bob,
I'm saying one one, but I don't think they kept
my part in the video. But anyway, that's why it
was cool working with him, because even though the difference
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between him and I think Wayne is Wayne is a
more metaphoric type of MC. You know what I'm saying,
style mc you know what I'm saying, and wordplay physics. Well, Larry,
he just like very direct, lifestyle driven, you know what
I'm saying. And so it was cool for me to
pop up my lifestyle like, bro, i'm having this going on,
let me talk, you know what I'm saying. It was
more like it was more like cool ways to express
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that you're not done, you know what I'm saying. That's
what this project really it is just a cool way
to spread that. Like you know, man, ain't ain't no
dumb brothers right there.
Speaker 12 (28:25):
You inspired me to saying you how you move with
your wife? I'm like, yeah, that's how you do it.
That's that's how you rocking, and you got your kids
and that's real, you know what I mean. I was
really inspired by that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 12 (28:33):
You mean you're talking about your wife all the time, Like, yes,
that's how you do it. You know that's real bullshit.
Every boss got they queen I'm talking about. So, oh
it is your son thirteen, You turned thirteen, he had
the hotel right now.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You have to have to bring in my school for
this man.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
But see, okay, so how does that work?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Because you don't hear about a lot of single dads
with these careers.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's tough.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
How he was torn with me since he was little,
like you know what I mean, I probably trained him
on the spinner van, you know what I mean. So
like sometimes I can make it work, like my dad,
he'll help me on my my grandmother and my mama
fly in and help. But he get times like this
where it's like you got a slide, Come on, we
get the online working, you get to get him a room,
and we just try to just get it done now.
(29:15):
Just I'm just trying to make it happen that you
do get tough. It be on your conscious like damn,
I'm doing the right thing as a parent. You need
to be at school for these three days or whatever.
But he learned the other things to learn the other things,
so and he very like ahead of the game for that.
Just's some traveling with us and seeing different things, being
able to meet you know what I mean, artists and
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and he you know, he a big inspirational.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Y'all talk about that thoughing life is beautiful, y'all talk
about trying to balance being a father, you know, and
your career.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
So that's conversations you'll have off the mic.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think it's just evident. It's just the energy he's
gonna talk.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
You know, he spoke about Eli a couple of times,
and then you know, I'm I'm Halo, like the second
highest earner in my household.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
You know what I'm I think.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
He get money.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
How do you do with your son? Because I see
your son hollering at women.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Now, Helo like that you chill out a little bit,
a little bit or I ain't never told Helo even
be humble, nod that you know what I'm Stay there,
you that confident cocky, don't even man humble, won't because
what do this mean?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
What do this mean? If he ever asked me one
humble men? I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.
Stay like you are. And it's just about you installing confidence,
especially in you know, young black boys. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I'm on them about you know, getting his books done,
whether he reading on the way to train or whatever.
But it's just, you know, it's a blessing to have
because I honestly feel like he is a direct reflection
of my father, who passed in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I felt like Helo.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
He just too mature to be nine years old, certainly. Yeah,
so I'd be like man and he started casting just
like my dad was.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
So I really I'm into you know, I'm a spiritual
type of person, so I'm kind of into that. And
then my two girls they growing up driving. My oldest
is driving to school. So it's just like you look
up man, next thing, you know, you know, the house
is gonna be empty and a little bit or whatever
that is, you know what I'm saying. But it was
cool to kind of pop about it over these type
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of vibes, you know what I'm saying. And that's that's
that's what it is. I don't think it's about what
the numbers we're gonna do. I think if we thought
about that, we want to drop the week of the
super Bowl, knowing that that's gonna HiPE Kendrick's numbers, you
know what I'm saying. I think it was about putting
out a project that has replay value. I haven't heard
one person that just played it one time. I keep saying,
(31:35):
I can't take it out, I can't stop playing.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
It, and I can sleep good at night knowing that
what do you want Halo to do, man, because God's
the limit for a young Halo. What do you want
him to do? Like you personally as a father, what
would you want to say, You're going to the league.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Okay, you're going to league, so you want them here
going to the league. I just really say, you know, no,
I didn't go. I didn't go to the Super Bowl.
I watched it at my studio back in Atlanta with
a couple other guys. I had the chef cook and
I just actually had a show in Chicago on Saturday
with Jeezy, and so I came back to Atlanta Sunday
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because I wasn't sure how it was some question marks
about the New Orleans trip, and I just came home
and chill like that, and then I came back out
here yesterday. We shot a video last night. And that's
another thing he got. He got an awesome team. That's
why I like working with Larry too. He got a
really really awesome team. And they would they would this
stuff on all like let's shoot listen, let's do that.
(32:29):
Love that? I love that, And so I landed at elaughing.
We shot the video like one. You know what I'm saying,
He up up we came and you know.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
So, and I'm coming trap from Vegas. I had the
club live right before like some we got the airplane
was straight to the the video. But it'd be hard.
We're getting it done. We looked back like happy we
did all that. Kind of tired, but like, look back
we did that ship coming.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
From the Bay Area. How difficult is it to get
that sound out right?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Because a lot of times when people think of the
Bay Area artist, they put them in a box.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
How difficulty was that for you?
Speaker 12 (33:02):
You know, you got to jump over the loops and
come from different angles, and you gotta be first.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You gotta be respected.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
You know, they gotta know something about you, like know
that you ain't like just a random dude talking about
this and that you got to jump over them loops
like I was. I was blessed to be able to
have connections in atl you know, living in atl when
I was a kid and coming from a different angle
and working with people over there. Like one of my
first mixtapes with tm AD eight the way Mafield, he
gave me a b pack. That was my neighbor, you
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know what I mean. They thought me and him was
brothers growing up, so when I still trying to get
into it.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I hit him. I hit a few beats. That's the dope.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Think about Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Just everybody, just like you do the mood to Atlanta
if you want to. And just my first the way
I met Wayne was just like this.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
I was I was obviously selling weed, and but I
was I was selling weed, but I was using the
money to book studio time and Patchwork, which is like
a renowned studio on Atlanta. This by one of the
X Falcons players. Everybody would be in there, you know,
that's where people went. And so I was in like
a little b room and baby them from cash Money
(34:08):
was in the a room, thirty cash money dudes whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
So somebody came to in and say, hey, them boys,
them boys next door need some weeds. So I was like,
sh I come over there. You know what I'm saying,
it's like the number ones. You know what I'm saying.
I'm being cool, but like he wasn't smoking that time,
but he had some other guys. They take my weed.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I'm telling them. I think this was like four fifty
at the time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
You know what I'm saying, I take I give them
the zips they don't no money come. You know, I'm like,
I don't know, I can't give nobody. No, we ain't
in that position. So I ain't up going to New
Orleans with them following them about this, now follow them
(34:49):
about this nine hundred and so this was this was
before Katrina or you know, they had all these mansions.
Everybody had a match. They had a matching for everybody.
Then everybody had their own mansion, right and I'm standing
in the match, and for everybody they got a big
jacuzie as a living room sofa. Its many years ago.
And at this point, I'm not a full raper. I'm
(35:09):
a traveler. And one day Wayne comes over and we
go out in like the indoor pool and we smoked
some gas together, you know what I'm saying. And that
that's how I met Wayne, following baby to New Orleans
about these nine hundred dollars that he eventually did you
ever get do I got? I got the money When
he came in with a new car and he was like,
(35:30):
y'all something about the car came up there. I said, hey, man, hey,
o G I really I'm really going to I'm waiting really,
He like say, he goes Slim.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
He did it, so yeah, I just.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Never collected it.
Speaker 11 (35:42):
So every time you see him, you could be like,
that would have been.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
More valuable I needed. Then I looked up. I was
on the way to New Orleans about that. I'm like,
they go to my Slim. We out here, we are
what we're going.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm going. I ain't got nothing to do.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I go to New Orlean but I'm not.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
But you know, you ever thought about changing your name again?
Because you went from teddy boy to to change and
now you you know you're a mogul.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
You ever thought about I go by Tony? Okay, I
ain't say to change the whole album. I didn't even
think about that. I did, but that was intentional.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Now the one I asked a hip hop question, favorite
production on the beat? Mine is always shook ones my deep.
That's how I start with your alchemists favorite production of
all time, all time?
Speaker 9 (36:31):
I mean that's so I'll just say maybe what you're saying,
E P M days, I ain't ready for that.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You are ready for that? Shoot one?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
You know?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I just picked one.
Speaker 6 (36:40):
If we're talking about favorite, like ow, you know we
had to be a certain producer. I can't just say
favorite beat of all time.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
I don't think too bright, that's too wow, how many
damn songs?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Because it's that one soe that you always hear that
beat just like h and that's always shook ones for
me every time I heard ship.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Wasn't just set it off in the party, he says out.
You know what I'm saying, you got.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
Pocket plan it just I think for me, it's moved.
I'm I'm mood moody, yeah, mouy. So this morning when
I woke up, I listened to Life's Beautiful because that's.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
What mood I was in, right, I went, I heard
that beat me that thing. It was stupid. It just
came on as like a movie when I can see it,
you know what I mean. I saw it like that.
When the beat came on, it.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Was like that was the last song we did too.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
That was the intro, was the last one.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Last.
Speaker 11 (37:32):
We did that in Atlanta.
Speaker 14 (37:34):
And when we did it, we did that that boy
now we did that. No, we did that in l
A l A four in the morning. Remember, Oh yeah,
that's right, But it.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Was the last song we did.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
That's right, watch your name now, Life is Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
That's how we was feeling at the time, life feeling change.
Change came up with that one.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, because honestly, the song that Larry did, Life is Beautiful.
I really love that song. I really love that song.
I love that the context, the content of it. And
then when I thought about it, and obviously I thought
about it before the because I thought about the La
fires as well, because I got homes in l A.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And so I was like, but any of them affected?
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Nah? Man, God, that's good. I'm trying to sell one y'all,
so I'll let me. But but I said to say that,
I didn't want to be offensive to somebody whose life
wasn't beautiful.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
At the time.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
But I kind of just overall I overrode my opinion
on that and I just brought it to the guys.
I think we should call life is beautiful because I
think if you just got life period, you know what
I'm saying, you just got life at a period. That's
that's what I was trying to like, you know what
I'm saying, pinpoint right there?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
One line I love when the records too, you said
I don't gate keeper on want everybody to eat, and
that that's very true about you. Has there been a
time when a gatekeeper trying to keep you up all
the time.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
Man, I'm impressionable. Man, I'm you know, I'm somebody that
somebody probably try to set a screen or try to
block on. But man, I'm someone that truly believed that
if it's for you, it's for you. So but yeah,
I've been in that. I'm saying, now we talk about
numbers and all that. This is a big secret, been
going on for years. How people been manipulating the game.
Ain't nobody came and say, shorty, I just seen a
(39:22):
little dude in my in Kindland, in my club. He said,
I do the billboard stuff. I said, bill what I
do the bill boy? He said, artist name? I ain't
even gonna say. He said, he tried to show me page.
I say, ship showy, if this is what you do,
you know, you know cause everybody asked for my number,
I said, I see you again if it's meant to
be the next night he and my club with the
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same job.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
In my set.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
So then when I seen that, my intendency, I don't
know if you really about business because you got the
same stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Yes, they just I shouldn't even have been judging, because boy,
when he showed me popping up like little bitty measles.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
But he can make you what he can do.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
He show he just was like, I do this. I
make sure. And we was in the club. That's another thing.
I hate talking in the club to y'all. Man. I
can't get y'all, and then I.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Don't want to get too clock if you spit on him,
go crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
So that's why I kind of be y'all might think
I'm funny.
Speaker 14 (40:20):
Man.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Let's clear this up now. Let's let's just write a
letter or something. Write a letter, maybe write a I
don't know how we should communicate in the club. If
I don't give you my number, let me think on him.
But just getting really close to me. If I'm sitting
down over me, I hate that, so I'm gonna stand up.
And if you am my ear, I don't like too loud.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
It's too loud. Then I got to.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I got to see what you want?
Speaker 5 (40:45):
Is the unclalled this. I got headphones all the time,
so I don't know. You know, that's just the part.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
But I did see some stuff and then it popped
up a couple of weeks later, so I probably need
to find a little buddy, what about.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
You the same ship? Like I heard you in the
breakfast club.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
He got the he got the recipe. We're gonna We're
gonna outstream Kindred this week. I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
That's just about you and you. Yeah, I think a
few times, you know what I mean, but I don't
really see it as much.
Speaker 12 (41:27):
I'm not gonna lie be in my own bubble, but
I think people do try to gay keep, But I
try to do my thing so much that I can
avoid that as much as possible. When I'm focused on
the I'm more like fan driven, like for the people.
So you can try to get keep with the people,
rocking with me all the haze, it don't even matter.
Like the people is the people. I'm still doing digits,
you know what I mean. I'm still pulling up, hopping out,
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drinking orange juice and ship you know I'm talking about.
That's because I'm focused on the people.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 12 (41:56):
That the fans like listen to all the outside and ship,
don't you know? They shouldn't do that. I can't get
him on that show, then fuck it. We go keep
going outside. We'll keep hopping that trunk, and we'll keep
doing numbers.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You know what I mean about you?
Speaker 9 (42:07):
They try to keep you away from certain artists, and
I mean just straight up gatekeeping is corny.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's laying.
Speaker 9 (42:14):
Anybody who does that is like a sucker to me,
Like you're insecure, you know what I'm saying to me,
gatekeeper has got to be some of the dumbest shit.
Like there was some stuff I encountered over the years,
but more than that, I encountered the opposite, like DJ Premiere,
Like when I first met him and was around him,
Like I met jay Z my first time with Premiere,
and he was.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Like, Yo, this is al He's dope, he got beats.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
And what I took from that was like Premiere is
the utmost level of secure.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
He's not afraid.
Speaker 9 (42:42):
If you gatekeeping, you must be afraid that this next
guy is gonna come take your spot.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Get up out of there.
Speaker 11 (42:47):
That's nasty. I don't I don't approve of gatekeeping, Like
we stand against that, you.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Now, you just meet the grams.
Speaker 9 (42:54):
Originally was that a gospel record supposed to be a
gospel samples is from a gospel gospel record?
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Yeah, what gospel loawgs? You made that dog shit?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
For you know, I didn't.
Speaker 11 (43:05):
Like yeah, and I you know, yeah, that's that's the
gospel record here.
Speaker 7 (43:11):
The sample was how do you feel wh people make
your beat like this record?
Speaker 9 (43:16):
It happens a lot to me, it does happen to
you like fifty of the animal things back then, and
it was the Bang Bang and I will come like
I want to be switchering.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Really.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
I tried to tell the rappers, hey, I'm switchering, like
leave me out of it, you know, but they end
up making me the battleground. I mean, I'm indifferent to it,
just like I'm not. I don't have a dog, you know.
So it's like I make I make beats.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Do people get mad at you though?
Speaker 11 (43:40):
Cause sometimes I know you're like, but look, here's the beat.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I'm not sure for.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
Sure, but you know, in that case, I had sent
the record to dot like like excuse me months before
that happened, and like I heard it when everyone else
heard it, so it was like, yeah, that was one
of them situations where it was like I don't like
to get involved in stuff, but sometimes it happens, you know.
Speaker 11 (43:59):
It was you know, it was tricky during the time
when p in Mall Deep and for J.
Speaker 9 (44:05):
It was always a weird thing and it probably stopped
me from doing work with J back then.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 11 (44:10):
But you know that's what you posted Which times we
spoke for sure back then?
Speaker 9 (44:15):
You know what I mean, Like definitely you was so
click with MOBP what I mean you remember back then
it was kind of like it was like there are
instances where they're like, damn their family and it would
kind of be awkward.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Listen, man, this is a crazy question because I asked
my I said, do you feel more like an East
Coast producer or a West Coast producer?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
He like, what coast?
Speaker 5 (44:35):
And then we walked into my piece of spot.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And it was like to New York, Yo, yo, yo yo.
I never thought about you with the West Coast are
synonymous East Coast production? Nociper said, But no, I never never, right, Okay,
we made my mark out here, like if somebody had
(44:58):
to tell me to look like the top tenies go
producers of all the time I'm putting documents on that.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Queens.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
I mean, I put in a lot of work here,
you know, So, I mean it's blessing in New York
embraced me and I had an opportunity at the time
to work with like think about that era, like I
was working with Lives Mob Deep, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
In the time when they was like aplan airplane.
Speaker 9 (45:25):
How'd I get And I went to school first, I
went to YU and then I just stayed here. I
was already tied in with Mugs. Long story short. He
connected me with Mob Deep and that everything happened from there.
That's why I love Mob Deep forever. Like I actually
had to ask Pe when he was beefing with Knaves
to go work with Knaves on god Son because that's
what we go back to the beef thing. I respected
P is that and P was during their beef and
(45:46):
P was like, oh, I know you're gonna give him
some heap of go out there, go out. He gave
me the blessing and go do it, which was always
appreciation for that. But yeah, I mean that's how it
started from Mob Deep.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
It was like, what are we gonna make it for
jay Z?
Speaker 11 (46:00):
It wasn't for him.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I played it for him though.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
Yeah, you know hip hop, you know Campbell, it has
been my brother for a long time, and I should
go over there and play beach. And one time he
popped his head and he just checked it out and
it wasn't for him, I guess, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Why did you lie to Drake about being good? Kendrick said, two,
Chain said you good?
Speaker 1 (46:19):
But he lied? Why you do that?
Speaker 7 (46:25):
You know?
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I just think it was kind of like some word
play because Drake and I got a song called no Lie,
and so when he said he lied, I just felt like,
I don't know, but I didn't take it as no
kind of way. I don't think he was taking a
shot at me. I've heard all type of instants when
somebody wanted me to say something back. I just think
it was a Mama where it was about Atlanta artists,
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and you know, I do have a couple of plaques
with Drake, probably three or four plazes with Drake. I
think a lot of that people in that Scott so
with him. So that was just Kentrick, Well, just dialing
in on some subject matter.
Speaker 7 (47:05):
When you first heard it, what was your reaction?
Speaker 6 (47:09):
Well, I can tell you that I can tell you
that people who name me didn't say felt some type
of way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
So I don't I was okay with it, you know
what I'm saying. You got other line of art at homies.
Speaker 7 (47:18):
You know, I don't just a little babies a little
basic and he said, keep me out of that.
Speaker 11 (47:22):
I want.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Yeah, some people didn't want their name. Some people was like,
why you didn't say my name? And it just no,
like it's just a moment. It was just a moment
that you know, but it didn't do nothing to me.
I know, I think my my harmony, my my middle
kid definitely says somebody asked at school, but it didn't
get it didn't get hectic.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
It was it was yeah, not in here. I didn't
hear no, he said.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Line the last verse.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I never heard that. But that song.
Speaker 7 (48:00):
Is on purpose, like you for the lights, like refuge.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
With everybody.
Speaker 12 (48:07):
I can particularly hear that that song. Fully, I heard
a lot on Instagram and stuff like they need. I
was doing the album with him at the time. I
wasn't listening to too much ship though like that. But uh,
you know, Kendrick, it's a little Kendrick. He hard respect
the Kendred Sure. I just didn't know he brought you up.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
You never heard that.
Speaker 12 (48:23):
Last Verson, by the way, phenomenal last Verson coming on
the picture, like kept saying like they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I didn't see that, but I never heard.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
You know what it is.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
You know, it's not a lot of songs with three verses.
Three verses, so it's three verses the third.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
You know what I mean. That's my opinion. I don't
think a lot of songs. I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
On everything.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
I love He he in his own bubble. That's why
I love Wayne.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's why I love him me.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
That's why I love me.
Speaker 11 (48:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Be in my own bubble.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
I mean, of course I know some of the things
I need to know, but I really be clueless to
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And I'm cool with that.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I'm just cool with that.
Speaker 7 (49:03):
You ain't here with Kendrick. Did you on the four first?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh God?
Speaker 7 (49:16):
One last question?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Change?
Speaker 7 (49:17):
How does it make you feel when you hit gods?
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like Tyler the Creator co signing this album Life is
Beautiful and he actually said two chains you on this
type of time.
Speaker 7 (49:25):
Is yes with a bunch of essays.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
It feels good. I have a great report with child.
I don't think people know.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
You know what I'm saying, great port and he's booked
me for it all before when I was in a wheelchair.
He booked me and was in the front. So I've
listened to his last couple of albums and supported what
he has done. And then I guess this one just
spoke to him. And he has a lot of influence,
(49:54):
so it felt good for him to not hold his
nuts on something that he thought was very tasteful, and
he didn't. I didn't ask him to do anything, he
just did it. So you know a lot of these
artists a gate keeper.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
I don't know that's another version of gatekeeper.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
But I can't let nobody know what's hard like.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
That sometimes sometimes with no matter was the man.
Speaker 7 (50:20):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I respect him.
Speaker 7 (50:22):
Crazy me too to yours, Like like, what's your class.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Man? That's a good question, you know, maybe you know change, Yeah,
you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
A different generation I'm talking about, like your classic Like
uh said, he don't hang with the young.
Speaker 5 (50:39):
Man really old?
Speaker 12 (50:42):
Yeah yeah, he really like what he really I grew
up with, like you know, MESSI mar Juice, the jack
at A lot of classic they was older. I always
hanged with a lot of older people, you know what
I mean. So I really didn't really know too many people.
But when I was in the a I met, uh you.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Know O G Mack go.
Speaker 12 (51:01):
Tmdiate a lot of them rappers like that that New Atlanta,
like the Batman Keys and all that Curtis and all.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I kind of all that, you know what I mean.
So I seen that whole air and ship like that. Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 12 (51:13):
I was at nineteen. I became a father, so like
I wasn't really I was trying to get my bread up.
I didn't have no whip. I was trying to really,
I said, I got nine months to get my ship together,
and I just put my head down and I just
was trying to create this world for myself. So yeah,
I kind of missed a lot. I didn't go to
no proms, I didn't do none of that. I was
strictly yeah, like the Beautiful Man.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Let's let's get into a joint of that which I want.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
To hear.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Life is Beautiful and text like the single Bad Choices,
which I would hear Generation Generation. All right, let's get
in the generation. Pick up the album streaming right now
to Chaine, Larry You and The Alchemist. It's The Breakfast Club,
Good Morning, so.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast
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