INTERVIEW: Mario Talks Growth, Going Song For Song With Ray J, Interracial Relationship, New Album + More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a weak click your ass up the Breakfast
Club finish for y'all done morning.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is d J n V, Jess, Hilary, Charlamagne, the
guy we are the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Law Ros is here as well.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got a special guest in the building.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
What's that? What's that? How you feeling? How you doing
that right now? Yeah? I'm good, bro, I'm good. Back
on the roll back on tour. Yeah, on tour right now,
Moose Wings. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
The new ep out on tour, it's been amazing. I
won't say you're going to start right now. You shook
that man saying that.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
In front of you the other day front But he
said what he said, Jess, that can beat him universe. Yes,
I mean you know he had that. You know he
had to be on music.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I ain't talking about singing. I'm not talking about like this.
I'm not talking about singing vocally, Yes, music anything.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They lost his mind.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
You ain't let him on that stage was gonna have And.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, you said I didn't let him on stand wanted
to do right not there.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
You can ask ray Je what happened backstage? I was like, Yo,
let's do it. Let's make it happen. He was like, nigga,
shrink me, just just I don't care what you do,
just don't just just make it happen. I'm like, I
didn't even know he was gonna be there bad I
got you. They didn't let him on stage.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
That's not story, Reje story was. I wanted to do
the verses right then, Tomorrio.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Out of all people, you trust Rede's.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Story, you trust reggae story people.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
I didn't know what was happening back there, like it
was a plan, and then it did happen, So you
know what, you know each other again.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know why they keep sleeping on you, why they
keep sleeping on me, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Vocally, hold on, you said, hold on? We got did?
He said what he said? Three and the possible.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I don't think you can fuck with.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
You crazy about ten six?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, that's that's kind of crazy, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
But by the one though, he said one song for
one song, and he said new music because he can only.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do run songs that really like really like people be like,
that's a strong because versus you got it's like it
gotta be strong.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
You gotta have some strong it's not you know that,
it's not a joke. If you're going with the right
you're going against the right person. You gotta have strong records.
People people you don't know how they're gonna be feeling
that day. They might want the song one day. One
day it might be like that's better what people aren't consistent, But.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You can do one of those three times because technically
definitely good.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
But he only got one wish.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
And then but you can do it three times and
then you no for sure he got something he got
Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Bro, he got a.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Couple of records, bro, Bro, and then what but like
they're not timeless, classic records that make you feel like
it's just a different Just stop taking me out of
these conversations, bro. Honestly, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Stop taking out of these conversations. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
I get passionate and about it and I love all
my piers. Like you know what I'm saying. The internet
shit is the Internet shit? Like whatever, But like y'all
got to put me in different conversations.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
But I get I get that, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
During my hiatus, like I've had to prove, like remind
people that yo, like I really God put me in
this because the gift is really there. My persistence and
my ability to continue to push and continue to put
out music is still there.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
My passion is still there. I'm still hungry, you know.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I take it serious, you know, but I think some
people are like Internet, have fun on the Internet, and
then some people really take it serious.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I'm one of those that take I think people forget
because of your hiatus, right, And the reason I say
that because I forgot and we went on to that
and shit, we went on like an R and B
tool and I DJ for Mario doing that tool. Fact,
and when you understand when we're playing six songs in
those deck, fifteen thousand, arena is singing them six songs.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Only because we only got fifteen minutes. We would play
more music, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
But the six songs, you understand, it's like, oh, I
get it there, and that's what.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You said it.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I'm like the other day when he was playing, I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot that. Oh yeah, I did forget that one.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah yeah, now it happens. I think it's natural, you know.
I saw your interview with Mike the other day.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
I was like, Yo, it was a great interview because
he made some good points about people forget you know,
you got to remind people.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And I think that it's just the way of the Internet.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
As well as just like this this new world of
like everybody's receiving stuff so fast, and it's like, if
you don't put music out for six months, nigga, you
where you've been at, you know what I'm saying. But
for us as artists, a six months, that's that's a
small campaign. It might take, especially in R and B,
it might take six months for people to even though
you got a joint, that's that's heating up, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
But that's just a part of the process you've been against.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You were a teenager. What's something the grown version that
you had to unlearned from the young version of you?

Speaker 4 (04:51):
A lot of things, bro, But I would start with,
you know, not falling in love with my creation, meaning
you know, when you when you create music and you
put it out the world, you gotta let it go.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
You got to let the people that connect with the
music and connect with what you're doing connect with it,
and you got to keep creating, like keep creating. Don't
pigeonhole yourself to oh you got to make another hit
like let Me Love You, you gotta make it. It's really just
about evolving, bro, because there's so many other things that
happening in life as to why the music sound the
way it does now. Right, mood Swings is a completely
different vibe from Glad You Can, which I released just

(05:24):
a year ago, completely different energy, work with completely different people.
My my creativity is in a different place. So really
just being free in the creative process because we're in
a world now where it's about exploring. I was talking
to one unexact yesterday and we were talking about, you know,
how different the game is even for labels, Like labels
now have to play a different game. If they're not

(05:46):
in the game of having a movie sinks their songs,
sing the movie that songs, you know, as many places
as possible that they own, they're not going to have
the lion share sometimes, you know, so it's like you
have to tech even like, you know, investing in different things.
Even though Doctor Dredam they already did that, right. They
was like, Yo, we want to show you all how
to get this music money, but we want show you

(06:06):
how to also have some headphones and some speakers, and
so it's just about being as versa though mentally as
possible so that all these other opportunities can attract you.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
That's where I'm at now, are you like picking up
the phone and calling where you're going through the process
of like I gotta re remind people or I'm trying
to make this sound different than that and not chase
that record. But ego wise, like there has to be
a part of Mario that's like this has to be
big because I'm Mario, Like, who coaches you through those battles?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Coaches me? Just a god?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Honestly God, I'm gonna be honest with you because you know,
I think a lot of people that's around me every day,
they just believe in me. You know, they're they're they're
believe they get they tell me real shit, but they
believe in me, and it's like they understand how strong
I am mentally.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But that's no person that I.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Call to act advice about those types of things, because
I think that my journey is my journey and I
just have to trust God and I gotta trust the
people that I entrust creatively, Right, So when I went
to the studio to start mood Swings. Me and my
boy Dre Moon, who I met through one of my managers,
ak with three six five. We've been on each other
for years, Like he did a bunch of future records,
but he never hopped into his R and B back,

(07:13):
but he's always wanted to. I say, Yo, let's less
less like, I want to hop into this darker, moodier
part of me as an R and B artist that's
like moody and still musical and R and B, but
just like more authentic. And so he was like, Yo,
let's get in a studio, let's go, and it was
it was like working with a friend. Is somebody that
you go over their house, they come over your house.
You know, they kids, you know they family, but y'are

(07:35):
both really young ghosts. It's different than working with somebody
that's like, I'm a fan of your music. I've always
want to work with you, but I don't know where
you live, I don't know you know what you're into us.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
It's a different thing.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Found the foundation is there, so that to me and
I trust the team that I work with and we
just make the music that we love.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
We going to studio.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
We might go in a studio and play verses with ourselves,
like yo, you play your favorite five records ever, and
I'm gonna play mine against yours and that inspires to
get the studio session started.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
But you won't do that though.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm trying to. They don't want no smoke with me
on any level. And he knows that's why he got
to always you know, he's a major troller.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Though it's like, how do you how do you how
do you execute a major troller?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Even if you execute him, he gonna come back from
the dead undertake not take it personal? What did you
realize that?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
And not take a personal real nigga ship, because it's
different from like and I had other people that like
hit me.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I really got on some really some sissy ship.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
But like ray J, like like we we talk, you
feel me. So it's like he can say some wild
ship and I might say some wild ship the next day.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
But it's like he's a.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Major troller, so he gonna go deep in the quicksand
whereas I got the ship.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Go on, I'm on tour right now.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
You know what I'm saying, Ain't gonna go that deep
in the quicksand but yeah, that's whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Mario was mad too. He was pissed off. It is
like he was, you know, it's crazy. Can I be honest? Yes? No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
For the honesty is that all we were doing is
have a conversation about things y'all have, but nobody don't
really talk about it all the way. We're just having
a conversation the same ship everybody do. People in the
comments actually went crazy on everybody else.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Spoke about or answer the question about. Then I did,
like you giving niggas too much grades and it's like, damn,
is it that serious? Why is it that serious?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Because you're an artist that can actually and I'm sure
they looked at like that Mario dope and ship, but
he don't feel the same way.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
That's crazy, Like everybody got strengths and weaknesses, like if somebody,
if somebody can dance, they ass off and they asked
somebody question like yo, who the who out of these
people gonna ask who can dance and who can't? Let's
just say always on that he was like, yo, can
Mario danced? He was like miss I would laugh, I
would laugh.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
I would be like he right, because I don't because
that's the But they know him for dancing, right, they
know that's his craft, right, So that's.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, it's just niggas take shit too serious. Bro.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
So y'all haven't spoken since he said he's not gonna
do no more songs with you or any collapse with you.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I seen him at the Ebony event and we were
sitting at the same table.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, that's what. I was literally right next to y'all.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, I don't know what he did when when it
was recording.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
All that so the time, so okay.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
One after that, idn't see him after that anything him? Yeah, okay,
because I'm like, he's saying nothing to me about.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
It, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
If I really feel.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Some type of listen everything I love, If I really
feel some type of way about something, somebody said, I'm
gonna pull him to the side something I might not
say that front everybody. I'm gonna figure out a way
to get it off my chest.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I didn't know. I had no idea he felt some
type of way about about that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I've had days where I've been hitting miss Nigga on stage.
I don't always hit every note the same every night.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Like, Nigga, let's be real. We gotta be real. I
have fun and like not take it too serious.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Bro, Listen, we were young black, We are opportunity.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
We still hear bro twenty four years later, like we
still here is a blessing.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But what do you feel?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like?

Speaker 8 (11:06):
Mark mood swings, right, so you up and down on that.
This is like move love angry.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
It's a mixture of like love, you know, It's really
a conversation. It's a conversation. When I started mood Swings,
it was just about nineties R and B vibes. And
when I think of the word mood swings, I think
of nineties R and B. I think about two thousands
of R and B and I'm like, Yo, how do
we take that feeling and like update it? And this

(11:37):
was like the approach And then I would have like
a couple of Dre Morning.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Executive produced it. We're with a lot of great producers
are here. But yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Conversations are different. And also the textures of what I
singing is different. Like I got a song called fortune
Cookie in there that I've never spoken like this before.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
But the actual texture of the.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Way I'm using my voice a song called moan same way,
I'm giving you different moves of who I am as
an R and B artist, How I think about intimacy,
how I think about love, and just you know, just
talking my shit.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Honestly, fortune cookie damn man.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
With Asian women, that's crazy. It wasn't an Asian woman.
It's just it's just women in general. I think women
are like fortune cookies, bro. Like, you know, it's like
you never know what you're gonna get if you really
dive in and really get to know a woman on
those more intimate levels, you know. And it's something that
I've always prided myself phon won't getting to know somebody.

(12:30):
I'm in a relationship now, and I'm still learning my girl.
I'm still learning like how to unlock certain parts of
her and and you know, how to make her feel
safe in moments where I'm not around, and like, just
so many elements to having a relationship with a woman,
whether you're just a friend or whether you're in something
deep like I am. It's just you never know what
you're gonna get. You gotta crack the open. A fortune cookie, obviously,

(12:52):
record goes a little deeper into something like that more
intimate shit, but like, yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
How did your girlfriend deal with all of the like
being Mario's girlfriend? Everything it's public, Like when you post
to her, there's like such a big response because they're like,
she's not a black woman, Like how does she deal
with seeing stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I think that she she's a very.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Like analytical person like me, Like she dives into things
to understand the psychology behind it and like like what's
the what what does it really mean? She understood to
a certain degree, but she's also human, you know. So
we've had conversations.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
She's like I clap back at people.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Before she clapp back at a couple of people, I'm like, yo,
just don't don't even don't let it, you know. And
then once that first initition would happened, she was like, oh, okay,
I get enough. And I told her, you know, it's
it's one of those things where people until they understand
that you got something real, people hate you before they
love you, you know what I'm saying sometimes and that
and that they don't even have to know you, right,
but then there's a lot of support I don't want.

(13:46):
And I think sometimes the Internet, like the dark and
the ugly shit get more highlighted than the love. Right
even with me, sometimes I see all these love you know,
I love what you're doing. We know you love black women,
we know you're and then at one or.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Two that's like dark, You're like you know what I'm saying, And.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
That's just human nature, right, So we just work and
do it together. It's my first like real public relationship
in this way, whereas though, like the picture, we were
going on vacation for my birthday and we had took
some pictures that she posted a picture of her pregnant
on her page before I did.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
But her page is probably like babe, nobody's gonna say.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I'm like, babe, I'm go ahead right.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Next thing, you know is you know.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
So I was trying to tell her like you know,
but I was I'm not ashamed of it. So it's like, yo,
go ahead and do your thing. And so it was beautiful,
Like I'm really proud that I'm able to say, out
of all the men in my family, especially on my
mom's side, like that I can give my son something
that I didn't have.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know, when he touches, when he.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Incarnates on his planet, he's going to have a different
life than I had. I'm proud of that, you know,
and the growing pains of being an artist who's now
more open with his life.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I should have did this seven years ago, ten years ago,
but now I'm being more open. So this is the
part is the part of it. You got to go
through it. I'm ready. Come onratulations, do you hold real quick? Girl?

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I want to give you your flowers. I'm so proud
of you, Jess. I'm so proud of you. Know where
we come from. You know, you're raising a young king,
you got another baby that you just had, You're married
now get married now like you're doing your thing, and
I'm proud of you.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know what I'm saying. I love you and I'm
proud of you. You know what I'm saying. I just
wanted to say that, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Do you what do you feel Mario the man has
grown the most compared to Mario the Artist.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's a great question. Thank you. I think that I've
been able to.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Shadow working myself on a more honest and authentic level
than I have before, because not just because I'm about
to be a father, but because I see I see
the world around me changing in ways that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
When things get out.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Of control if you can't always control how your environment
is going to what's going to happen in the environments
around you. Because when you're an artist, things happen around you.
You have to be exposure. If you want to have success,
you got to be out here, right, And so it's
really important for me to have controling myself on a

(16:29):
deeper level and control of my emotions and control of
my how I view the world, how I view people,
how I view my relationships with people, getting better at
relationship building because I wasn't good at that as a
young kid and as a young adult, and so just
really doing that shadow work, bro, and also becoming a

(16:50):
better friend to people that I consider important in my
life instead of being like closed off or being like, okay,
I can't trust nobody, like I'm not opening up to,
like having a little bit more grace and understanding that, Bro.
With greatness comes the opportunity for leadership. And with the

(17:11):
opportunity for leadership, you're able to actually see the world
from a different space when you take on that role
of being vulnerable and being a leader, which means coming
up with solutions, right, and it could be anything that
could be in work, it could be in your personal life,
it could be for your family, it could be for free.
And I think that that's something that God blessed me
with experiences to get through so that I can help

(17:33):
people come up with solutions, you know. And it could
be small things, Bro.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Somebody could call me one day and be like, Yo,
I'm going through this. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I just made my first you know, twenty thousand dollars, Bro,
my first time, Like, well, how should I woo woo?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's like those small things. I fucked up money before
I know how to.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I could give you advice on that. If I can't
give you advice on something, I know somebody who can.
Just being more open and vulnerable about life, man, and
knowing that everybody's not out to hurt you, you know,
and that comes from growth and doing shadow work.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
When you first did your shadow work, did your shadow
self scae.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It scared me when I felt like.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
People weren't respecting the work that I was doing myself,
and that triggered me.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It was like, what the fuck is the purpose of
doing it?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
If nobody cares and they still gonna judge you, they
still and it realized, like, yo, bro, it doesn't matter
if people don't see.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
The work that you're doing. You can't change their perspective.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
You can't change how people see things because they can
only understand things on the level that they're experiencing.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Right. I was reading this book called the.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Author's name is called Power Versus Force if you wear that,
But it's really good, and it basically talks about life
by way of calibration. Like it's from zero to six hundred, right,
so you can have a conversation with your homie about
running down on somebody that might be calibrated at like
a ten or twenty. But then you can have a

(18:55):
conversation about growth and health and building community building, and
that's calibrated at like a four to fifty five hundred.
And it just talks about how these things affect your body,
how to affect your mind. And I got it from
this chiropractor. But he doesn't do regular chiropractor work. He
does like spiritual chiropractic work. Whereas though he finds where
your traumas are, you know, where you're lying to.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yourself, where you're not being honest.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
When the first time I worked with him, he brought
me he does it like in his backyard. He lives
in la And then he was like, he said, hold
both your arms out. He's like, I'm gonna ask you
a question, and you could choose to tell me the
truth or tell.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Me a lie.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
The one where I lied on him, my arm got weak,
like literally didn't mind bushit.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
It was like if it was like and I knew
I was lying.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
And then the one where I told the truth, it
was like my arm was steady, it was strong, and
I was like, damn, that's crazy. You don't think that
like your body and your mind and how everything worked,
Like the truth, even if it's ugly, it's more powerful
than a lot. And I mean, you could take that
in so many different ways. But I would like to
think that I want to live in a in a

(20:06):
space where I can live as much truth as possible
and the lies aren't as that I tell myself.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
You know what I'm saying. So I don't know. All
of that stuff is just a part of my journey.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
You talked about the try it. You get that better
than I do. We talked about the hiatus. For most
that don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
During that time, which is a long time, what was
Mariel doing during that time.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, man, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I was exploring. I was exploring so many things in life,
like just really trying to understand what it was all,
what the purpose was.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know, what's the purpose of relationships, what's the purpose
of family, What's the purpose of me being an artist?
What's the purpose of it? Or why am I here?
You know? What is religion? What is all these things?
You know? What is fear? What is trauma?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
What is you know, why do people choose addiction over
going to get help and really fighting through it?

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because it's such a strong like it's such a strong intention.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like when people are addicted to something, like they will
go through anything to get that fix. You know, how
do you transmit that into something towards something you want
to build for yourself in life?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
How do you transmit that to your family and love
all life?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
So it really just started studying understanding like human behavior
right now. I started there and like, you know, wanted
to understand, you know, what was hell, what is heaven?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
You know? What is all of this?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Because I got thrown in at such a young age
that I wasn't able to process the death of my grandmother.
I wasn't able to process being an adopted I wasn't
able to process now you're an artist, Now you're moving around,
now you're in this world. I wasn't able to process
that and enjoy the process. Like maybe a lot of
other younger artists. I don't know their process, but sometimes
they look happier, right, So I think that at that

(22:01):
time of like, after let Me Love You, after going
on tour, Destiny's Shout, after all these things, it was like, bro,
I moved back home and then I went through another
dark moment and I was.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Like, yeah, I gotta get out of here. Left.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
That's when my process of like getting through everything started,
like processing it, putting it all on the table, being confused,
being hurt, being in the dark, not having nobody around me,
and it just brought me closer to myself and brought
me closer to God. And that's what I started to
realize that life and cycles and time and space and
all of it is, it's all happening all at once, right,

(22:36):
and you know you really just got to like pull everything,
pull all the fragments back in, and then.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Balance it out, release what you like, releasing truly releasing it.
For me, It was a twenty six day fast where
I released so much, you know, man, I cried on nights.
I had cold sweats on nights. I was seeing things,
hearing things.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I was really like traveling through these different portals of
everything that I've been hiding from. And that's what kind
of brought me back. And after that, so I have
met this doctor named Dhodi and Calli and him made
these organ cleansing tablets and I was taking those and
I was doing it during this time. It was a

(23:17):
popular fast, but most people were doing it for like.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Three to five days. I did it for twenty six days.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Cayenne, you know, honey, lemon? Uh?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
What else?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Ginger?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
And yeah, it was a lot back, but I took
it forther. I was like, yo, once I got to
like my second my first week, I was like, nah,
this is I feel too.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
The first week, after the first five days, those the
next two days you feel great. Then you feel like
shit for like three days. Then you feel empty.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Now your your skin is tingling and you're you're hearing
like things that the highest capacity, and you're the light.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
You could see things clear, like it's just everything. I
wasn't sleep.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
I was only sleep for like three hours before I
couldn't sleep, len and I have so much energy, and
so then I was like, okay, who's the person?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Like what how does food affect you?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Then I started studying what I was feeling. I was like,
how does food affect your mind? How does food affect
your energy? How does it affect your sleep? And I
was realizing like, damn, we overeat in this country, and
like I'm like, yo, we really we eat emotionally. We
eat when we feel, you know, out of a breakup,
We eat when we horny and we don't get none.

(24:28):
We eat like you know, so consumption right, And so
then I started really diving into like why physical, mental,
and spiritual consumption all.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Leads to your decisions, all leads to.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
What you're attracting your life, how you attract things, and
it affects everything in your life. So I went down
that road for years of just like being becoming a
mystic and studying different things and not being afraid to
be judged by people. During that time, if you were
practicing and working with crystals, I was doing this in
two thousand and eleven twelve when it wasn't cool, you know,

(25:04):
And I just wasn't talking about it. I didn't share
it because my journey was different. And yeah, So I
did that for years, bro, and then I decided I'm like, okay,
I'm ready to start making music again. Like I think
I'm ready to start. And the first record I released
out of that, I think was Somebody Else with Nikki
that is my yeah shit, yeah it was like that

(25:26):
one in fatal distraction. Fatal Yeah, fatal distraction.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, that makes so much sense because the shadow work
gives you greater self awareness because it helps you understand
a lot of your blind spots that you might not
even have been aware of.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Man, it's a real thing.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
It's so true, bro, And it's like you gotta it's
almost like you gotta forgive yourself because you Sometimes we
can do the work, but then we still haven't really
forgiven ourselves. We still haven't really been like, Yo, tell
your younger self, I love you. Forget you know, forgive
yourself for the people that may have hurt you.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm still working through it, bro. They don't stop, Bro,
you don't.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
The truth is it never stops because we live in
a space where we're constantly reminded of our past.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
That's the first thing that came to mom when I
heard you talk about all this work you were doing,
because I watched you on Camp's podcast Monkey Friday. Yeah,
and hearing you talk about a lot of things I
didn't know it, like your mom and your adoption, and
like you never had the time to kind of make
amends with all that stuff because you were famous at fourteen. Yes,
So what was Mario saying to or I guess twelve
eleven year old Mario during the time where you got

(26:29):
away from everybody, like dealing with your youngest self.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I didn't know how to speak to my youngest stelf then,
So I wasn't really speaking to my younger self at
the time.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I was more so.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Processing what I was trying to understand and like doing
the work of at least getting to a point where
I could actually look at it and see it from
a different perspective in terms of like the science of
it and the actual work of it, Like why do
I make these decision? Why do people make the decisions?
Where am I lacking at for me not to be

(27:01):
able to be happy today? What is this thing I'm
holding on to right? So I had to work through
that first. I think that talking to my younger self,
it's gonna happen more.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Even when my son is here right being able to
understand give him the thing.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I think he's gonna help my I'm not like putting
it on him to help me, but I think being
a dad will also help me work through my younger
my issues with my younger self.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
That makes all in the world. Man, It's it's like, man, God,
it's so amazing because you've done the work. You're doing
the work. But God didn't even allow you to have
your first child until you was a much more healed,
clear version of yourself. Man, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Bro's eye consciously obviously, just like I didn't want a
child yet and I did certain things to make sure
I didn't have a joy yet.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
But what you're saying is so true.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
And you know it's one day story can the plot
th can's there, But like that's one of the things
me and.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
My girl talk about all the time. Was like, yo,
like I knew I loved her, and I knew I
felt safer. I knew we knew each other for a
long time. We knew a lot of things about each other.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
But it was all God when it came to her
actually conceiving like it was all God, bro. And it's
like I feel this energy already, like we both pray,
pray about our lives. It's amazing, Bro, it's amazing. I'm
excited about it.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
How is healing shape? The man you are to.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Gave me more confidence.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
It gave me more confidence being an artist that you know,
took time away and making a resurgence doing this digital crusade.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, gave me so much confidence on who I
am as a person.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't think that there's anything that could happen and
these phones are online that could change or make me
want to be anything other than myself and have my
found day. Shouldn't be strong for the things that really matter.
And I think that that is why God put me
through all of these different obstacles, is there's there's a

(29:08):
bigger column on my life that I'm tapping into that's
so multi dimensional in terms of like even the things
that I'm into now and the things that I'm attracting
and the people, for example, you know, investing in Redemption Bank,
who is.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Which was founded by.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Britanic's king and Ashley Bell and they're great people who
have a great vision for our community. But just you know,
financial literacy in general. I've been learning so much and
just really wanting to be a part of changing the
narrative for us, you know, as you know, there's so
much work to be done. You know, you've been in

(29:48):
a room with a lot of people who understand what
needs to be done, and so just wanted to be
a part of something bigger. So God's been preparing me
for that, right, So that's what I'm saying. When we
had these conversations about music, I'm like, Yo, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So funny because my day to day life is naught.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
It's so far from that in terms of the conversation
that people I talked to.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
But I get it.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's just that we haven't fun whatever whatever. But yeah,
it's a it's a lot of work, and I think
God's just been preparing me for it all.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah hm hmmm, So look yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
You're going to add a comedy component.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yo, Listen, we could put something together.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
And I know it was talking about during it during
the pandemic, you were talking about some stuff.

Speaker 8 (30:28):
And you had a great idea and I wish I
would have like hone in on it, like I wish
I would have jumped on it. You had an idea
to do, like I think it was like comedy virtually
like where.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
People because it was something Yeah, yeah, I thought.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
It was so smart. And then I see somebody else
doing I'm like, damn you, Mario, put me try to
put me on to that like five years ago.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Good listen, just you naturally listen, like Mike was saying,
like it's some people who wake.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Up and just funny. Bro. Like you different, Yes, you're different.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Like you know what I mean, days like having fucked
up days and all your page it come on and
that's just changed.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
My whole ship.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Like you different, like you're you're literally one of I
think you're one of the young goats. Like you know
what I'm saying, Like keep doing that ship, like I
know you hustling it, but like tap in, like you
really wanted them for real.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like you, I think about all the people who had
good days and you clown them and.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Think that it's a part of it.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I just want you to think about all aspects.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Like true comedy comes from truth. Though like real comedy
come from truth.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
It does and depending on where you're from. Yo, people
don't understand the Baltimore. They just think we're just straight
all aggressive.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Nah, for sure, you know what I'm saying. We'll be
saying it that they think about. And I think that
that's like that's the thing. You know, we're gonna always
get the you know, the backlash we say ship that people.

Speaker 8 (31:46):
That's why it was so many people that got mad
at you and Cam ask you them questions.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, man, it's yeah, that interview was interesting. Man, it
was interesting.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
But did you have fun?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Though not all the way Honestly it was cool, but
then it just got to the point where like he
wasn't being real about ship and it wasn't fun no more.
Now now I'm like, you're not being even you're talking
so much about your own life. And I with him, right,
but it was just everybody. So it was just moments
where I was like, Yo, you're not being real like.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
A cool I see what this is. Yeah, like listen,
fuck with came real quick. Just said that you can't
remember all the moments. It's too many.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Just said one time your actually going in and up Baltimore.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
You're talking to me about the.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Not it do it and I get.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Get mad and then I forget what I asked you
about and it was like and I was like, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
From there because I haven't heard it this interview.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
That's why I've been living. I've been living in l
A for like fifteen years now. So ship just if
I go home for two weeks said when he gets
it's crazy when he.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
Gets upset about something that ship, they're.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Trying to get mad.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Look definitely don't at all some question, right, but but
it I'm mad at you for kicking the cameraman off stage.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was kind of crazy because
that's your time to before you don't know what this
DoD is on stage.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think that it was just people not used to
seeing me like that. Bro, like mad, yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
So it's like I try not to get mad, bro,
because when I get mad, I get mad, you know
what I'm saying. And then it's like I'm like, it
takes a lot to get me mad, right, So when
I get there, hopefully I don't want it to be
seen ever, Like I don't want people to see that
side of me, Like and it's not like I'm not human,
I just it can get taken out of context, which

(33:42):
it did, right, So I'm gonna tell the story officially
here on Breakfast Club. They hit us for this fair
I'm like, okay, it's close to LA. We'll take the
spring up, go up there and do it.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Knock it out. We come back to the crib, right, cool.
Family only say all right, cool Lloyd, a couple of us,
let's do it.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
I get to my shows usually if it's shows with
other people, I get there like like when we're doing
a drink, not to get too like ten fifteen minutes before,
because I don't like sitting in the dress room. I
get assy, like man, So no one told me that
a camera man was going to be on stage at all.
So when I go on stage, I'm performing and I
keep seeing a figure around the stage is pretty big.

(34:23):
If I keep seeing a figure and I'm like, okay,
Then when I saw him for the first time, I'm like,
damn that he jump up from because he didn't have
a camera, bro, he had an iPhone on a joint.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Go look at the video.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
So I'm like, he must have jumped from out of
the crowd. He came on my irony trip or whatever.
He over there, But then he got comfortable and on
the stage, they got they had.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Too many speakers.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
They have more speakers because usually every artist get to
say what they wanted the stage to be. Like, they
left the other artist speakers on the stage, so it
was more speakers than were.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Supposed to be. So I'm looking for.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Where he about to go, and I tripped one time
over the over court. I ain't say nothing. I'm like, man,
shit crazy, I gotta watch up. Then as I'm walking
back to the right side of the stage, he's all
the way downstage, like near the speaker, like you should
be like further back, like you feel me. And then
that moment is like, yo, you gotta get the funk
off the stage.

Speaker 8 (35:11):
Bro, you didn't already.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Like you get the fun of It wasn't even like
I hate you, nigga, get off, Like it was just like, nigga,
get the fuck off.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I just feel me. It was like that.

Speaker 8 (35:22):
Apologize shortly after.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
It was hot as a half ass apology.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
But I didn't even realize he went on tour. He
went on he went on a press tour about it.
So like I was like, I'm like, bro, you know,
let me just do it.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But yeah, that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
He was but he was supposed to be there parently
and then you know, but it really was just I
didn't know he had an iPhone.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
Are we getting any visuals?

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, so I'm about to put a video out from
home uh in like a week period.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's coming to visual for Home is coming in.
It's fire, it's fire, it's you know, it's nineties R
and B. I'm giving you our real arm on this project.
So and more to come as well.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Moose swings too.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
More music, definitely tapping back into the movie space as well.
I'm building a lot of things behind the scene when
new citizens and the investment side, the creative side, hopefully
signing some artists. I got my eyes on a few.
I want to say it because last time I did,
somebody sign him.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
But it's just like, yeah, I have a color. It
was this kid his name is Chosen. I forgot his
last name. His name is Chosen, but like he's super soulful.
I showed you off off off of the joint.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
But he got signed by Quality Control, you know what
I'm saying. And we was talking, but yeah he's already
been signed by SO but yeah, super talented, but really
looking for like raw talent man that I can help
evolve through this industry, you know, and and understand that
like outside of music, there's so many other opportunities, right,
So generational wealth.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Like that's that's really what the whole New Citizen for
me represents. You know.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
So have you taken your girl to Baltimore?

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah? Bottimore?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Like three, she went with me on Thanksgiving one year. Uh,
we went to Bottomore went to Philly family in Philly, Baltimore.
She she's Mexicans from she's from Uh.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
He got wait, hold on, I don't comfortable with hands.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
She got, well, thank you.

Speaker 8 (37:28):
But he and Mexican.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I think, man street Mexican. I cannot ask you a questions.
What does it matter?

Speaker 8 (37:36):
It don't matter, you.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
I just one of the know how that your girlfriend
is Mexican.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, like doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
It don't matter to me.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Doctor, She's not that kind she legally yeah, man, everybody legal.
I love. Love is definitely love.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
But but I do like to see black men with
black women. But that that's that's just because that's what.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I feel for sure. I love to see all of it.
I love to see all.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
But I want you to be in love if you
love her.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Love is nice, man, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
here if I didn't love her. I wouldn't We wouldn't
be here if we didn't love each other.

Speaker 8 (38:13):
Pro creating like this exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like were having a beautiful experience right now.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
The only you know, the hardest part obviously is always
the traveler, right being away from home, checking in being like, damn,
if I'm on stage and something's happening and I will not,
I can't get that.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
It's this, This has been This has been hard because
it's like things were already in emotion.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
These toys are already playing, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
But I get off tour in December, and I'll be
home for all the holidays, So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I don't think you owe anybody an explanation, though I
think that's it's like, why are you explaining who you love?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know? It's not so much explaining who I love is.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
It's it's the the narrative of oh Mario doesn't like
black women that I have an issue with, and where
this narrative was created from. That's the thing about the internet.
Is like, you can't just leave that, you know, out
in the air.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
So I'd rather confront it so people understand that it's
a lie and it's it's not true, versus not saying anythingbody,
which I've done in a couple of interviews since that interview,
you know. But the way he asked it was so
he set me up.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
One of the questions, the question like what's your relationship
with black women?

Speaker 8 (39:26):
Right?

Speaker 6 (39:26):
No, that wasn't the first question.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
No, that was like that. He was like, do you
have a problem with black women?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
That's a wild question.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
The way you answered it, the way you answered it
that we played that clip here answered it, I don't
think it It didn't make it any worse, but I
think it made people try to find another reason why
you don't like.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Black Psychologically, these podcasts and people when people are not
everybody doesn't have the same way they receive things. And
we're dealing with y'all know, we're dealing I ain't got said,
you know, we did a way in the coming, you know,
and so it's like, yes, of course, like I come

(40:04):
from I'm a black man who comes from a black city,
who comes from the struggles of black people in this country.
So I come from what my course, a lot of
my core fans come from. So of course it's like
if someone says something like do you have a problem,
but the people who never even heard the question and
be like, wait.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
You got a problem?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
It's like here, right, of.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Course, I gotta say.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
You know what I'm saying, I'm defending that to say
that I love black women and black women the most
beautiful creatures on this planet, and.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Why do you hate them?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Talk about say?

Speaker 6 (40:42):
I feel like it made people do what he's doing
right now.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Bro, I look for everybody who hates Charlamagne. But where
did you mean what.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
We met?

Speaker 6 (40:58):
I met?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I met her in Florida years ago when I was
living in Miami. We met and her mind was living
at the time we met. Well, she was like, we
knowing each other for like for like nine years.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You know what I'm saying. So we've seen each other
through relationship. We've been friends for so long.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
Yeah, it's about your When you talked about your experience,
I had a problem with people having a problem with that.
Like you just talked about you went into it more.
You were saying because, yeah, the question was asked, oh
why don't you why do you have a problem with
black women? And you're like, it's not that I don't
have a problem with black women. You talked about your
experience with the black women who was you know where we.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Got to that the questions was just outrageous, Like, I
don't even know. I don't know where these allegations began,
these questions begin.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's that's the point. I don't let's just set this straight.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I don't know where they begin, and they're not I
don't hold those like that's for like clickbait.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
And all that.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
But when we got around to speaking about my experience
that that came out of me saying, how.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Could I have hate? Like, it's not it's not hate. Yes,
I haven't had.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
A beautiful experience as far as like the my story,
you know, but that doesn't lead to hate, bro, that
doesn't lead to hate.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
It's interesting you're right about the questions because you know,
I'm interviewing you for years. I've never heard that before.
But when you hear a question like that, you think yourself.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
I'm gonna research, Oh he has wrong with it, So
you know, but I think it's just it's a matter
of people getting to know me more, you know, And
I'm like, okay, this is why interviews are important.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
This is why.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
And then when you get to a certain level you
want to do anything, no more cool because now they
just talking about your music. But you have to have
something in place of that for them to talk about.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Right, So yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
You answered the question. Do you think doing the interviews
is even helpful? Because you explained and then they find
another reason.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Then I will say this, I think that there's always
different perspectives based on how you enter the conversation. This
is a different podcast, it's a different platform, her minds,
you know, different energy, like everything is different. I don't mind.
I'm an open book at this point. I don't mind
having conversations. You know, I understand now how to navigate

(43:10):
it better. But you know, you got to go through
the through the mud sometimes. I understand, like, all right, cool,
we got to make sure we stand and stand on solid.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Girl.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
You talk about when you talk about your girl being
pregnant and you and something, you can't be there all
the time because you wore tour and things like that
and your first time dad and it's like, wow, right,
so you only this is the first time you're ever
going through this. Are these the times where you like say, like, damn,
you wish your mom was here. Oh my god, You're like, damn,

(43:39):
I wish I could just ask her what the hell
I could do?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I wish my mom was here for a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I wish my mom was here because she's one of
the realist people I've ever known, you know, mother was.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
She's one of those people like.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Anything that she wanted she could have had. She had
a scholarship planning tennis. She was the number one tennis
player in Maryland.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
When she was young, she had a chemist she was
a major in chemistry, bachelors in chemistry. She loved God,
you know, and she was a hustling so she could
have transmitted that energy into anything. I think that we
would have made a great partnership in business because I'm

(44:25):
I feel like I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
More thorough than I've ever been. I don't have any
plans on not expand, like I'm expanding it other ways,
and I think that she could have been right here
with me.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
And of course having another grandmother for my child and
having her be a part of my life.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's I mean, she here the spirit, but of course
I would want that.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
But you know, my my girl's mom is an incredible
out wailers so far. You know, she's been there, she's
home right now and making sure she's straight. She's excited
about it. You know, God don't make no mistakes in
terms of like you know what it's meant for you,
and how when you pray for things and you prepare
for things, how God shows up. I think we're blessed you.

(45:06):
But yeah, I would love that.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
After doing the work on yourself that you've done, finding
so many personal answers, did that cause you to have
more questions for your mom that you probably didn't get that.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I've asked a lot of questions, you know. I think
the thing that I've.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
The thing that I've been sending her love for lately,
because you know, is me forgiving her because spiritually, no
one ever really dies, right, the energy doesn't die, it's
just transmuted.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
So it's like.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Sending her forgiveness and support, you know, for whatever her
soul may be still struggling with or whatever her next
journey is.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I think that that's you know, that's what I do. Now.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
That's what I focus on now, you know, is that
forgiveness for her, forgiving myself and just sending her so
much support and love. Because there's been moments where during
my spiritual journey when she would come visit me, and
you know, anybody who understands the spiritual realm, there's been blockages,
like just when I'm able to, like we're able to,
there's something that comes in between and blocks it. I've

(46:18):
had that happen a lot of times. So I'm like, okay,
so I have there's still something I have to work on.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So the more and more work on.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
It, the closer and closer I feel that these other
entities and things can't even blocking in the spiritual room
because it's so much power because she has things that
she tells me that I need to know, and when
that those blockers, I can't get those. And so it's
a real thing, and it happens in real life too,

(46:44):
you know, with family, and there's entities that are built
out of trauma and they become their own entities in
your life. And if you don't work through those things,
you can't heal with your dad or your mom, or
your sister or your or your wife or your whatever,
you know what I'm saying. So that's a real thing,
and I think it doesn't change in the spiritual.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Bro, do you believe, you know, after doing all this
working on yourself, do you believe your life's purpose is
bigger than music?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
One? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Bro, Absolutely, I think that there's a spiritual side of it.
There's a community building side of it. When I say that,
I mean use my relationships to help build our communities.
You know, I've been building myself back up over these
past few years, but now I'm like branching out to
be like, Okay, how can I use my relationships to
make sure in this new world that's happening.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
You know, my people, my community.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
You know, we just have a you know, we're put
in a position where people understand our power and understand
our unity in a different way. And it's it's gonna
take a lot of work, but that's like where my
head is at. But also just owning things and being
able to be creative, Like I'm working on a museum
right now that I don't know exactly where I'm gonna
put it yet, but it's it's gonna be everything. Sound

(47:53):
I can't say the whole concept because there's a lot
of rich people out there that can make it sure happen.
But like, but yeah, it's it's gonna be incredible, and
then just a lot of other things.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Man, And I feel like.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
It's showing not only my fans and people who've been
watching my career for a long time, that yo, you
can be whoever you want to be. And we have
always been some of the most creative beings on this
planet and creating things that's never been created before.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
This is what I want to do. That's my goal.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
And it goes for everything from music to tech, business,
you know.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Social experiences, restaurants, all types of things.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
You know, there's there's a lot of things happening, you know,
and even writing being an author. I have like three
books that I've written but that I haven't put out
yet because I don't know. Every time there's a new
version of me, I'm.

Speaker 8 (48:41):
Like, y gotta go back and chang.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I gotta go back and change.
Have you ever experienced that, like you put out books? Like,
how does that for you?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I can do that with every single book that I've written.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, you know, go back and change certain.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, you know, the first book was you know, up
to a certain point in my life, so it was
these lessons that I learned. Yeah, my second book, I
was completely empty because I asked the doing the work
on myself and started to go into therapy and stuff.
So everything I thought I knew I was like, yo,
I really don't know nothing. I was just I learned
a whole bunch of stuff. Then my third book, you know,
it really came to me after a plant based experience,

(49:14):
you know, with Ayauasca. I went on the Ayahuasca journey
and the same thing came up for me that came
up for you. It's like, yo, stop lying to yourself
and stop volunteering those lives to other people. So it's like, yeah,
every every book has been a different version of me.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
So that's where I'm at now. Is just like okay,
which which there's all these like versions, all of them
have truth, right, but which ones connected dots to where
I am right now.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
So that's kind of where I'm at with that. But yeah,
that's it's just I'm just bro. I'm just ready to
continue to grow. You know, music is my passion, but
you know with that comes all these other things more
to bigger, bigger shows and bigger opportunities and just you know,
just growing me and my team growing.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
What what's the message you think men need to hear
today that we don't talk about enough.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I don't think men applaud out the better things about
each other enough. It's like, you know, if you see
your homie like that've been struggling with something for years
and he he's getting over it or he's trying to
get over it, appaud that, you know what I mean,

(50:19):
show him some love, show him you see that, Like, Yo,
that's shit, cool, bro, like that shit that I'm inspired,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I think.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Escapism, escaping the hour, traumas with drugs and you know,
maybe nightlife or whatever.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You know, I mean, everybody like to have fun, but
you know, just.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Really like taking like the time to really take your
future serious. You know, sit down for a minute, like
maybe save some bread, Like sit back, you know what
I mean, look at your life, look at the people
in your life, and really analyze, like, Okay, if if
something is calling me to grow, all these people around
me going to help me g go out there?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Part of that part? Do they want to grow? Like
because we get comfortable with our relationships. And I've I
realized this because.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
I've had so many different people come in and out
of my life and a different parts of who I
am in my life, you know, different parts of my journey.
And sometimes we get scared to let people go and
not let them go as in like, oh, I don't
fuck with you, but just let them go. Isn't like, Yo,
I need this next few months to myself, bro or sist.
You know, I gotta I gotta level up in life.
There's some things that God is putting on me, you know,

(51:30):
and hopefully I can help you with that, you know,
But I just need some time.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
And it's not personal. Not everybody gonna take that well.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
But sometimes we gotta do that, man, and then circle
the block and be like, yo, I see things from
a different perspective. I don't think we talk about that
enough in terms of it being something real that can
really change your life. There's a few things, man, I
mean that's yeah, that's just the name of you.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Yeah, real quick, this ain't even no question. I've always
wanted to tell you. You snapped on the cry with
with you appreciate man, what that's crazy? He'd be snapping
on these features.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Just thank you. I might put a whole project out
with features, you know, just for fun for sure with that.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah you never heard that man who is down down
is a streamer At this point?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Ray J is coming up this week. Anybody, what what
would you say to ray J? What would I say
to him? What would you say the ray J?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Already man stopped stop his car for his breaks? Break
you know what I'm saying, Like break it?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (52:38):
But I told you before he ray J, you know
he is, he a troller. He gonna troll. But he
know what time it is.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Man, he knows.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
He said one which is bigger than let me look you.
But anyway, listen, I'm on tour right now, nothing but
us tour, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
We outside New York was amazing. The energy in New York.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
You know, we got like I think like eight more dates.
Project Moose Swings is out right now. Yeah, we were outside, man,
I was That's all about to say. You gotta put
me in different conversations. Like right, I was on Brandy
Show like two weeks ago. We did Last.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Weekend, what we do? Before that, we did.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Jonas brothers, Like, you know, it's just any stage.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I'm on too many stages for Ray j D even
he can't come on.

Speaker 8 (53:24):
You know, it's up big ship, Big Mario and not
Luigi brother, like stop playing, let's play.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
Wait, I'm not a question, yeah question that you just
didn't here, And it made me think of it when
you came out at the Brandy and Monica show.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
You think Brandy but not Monica.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It wasn't even not It wasn't even that type of thing.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Wasn't People tried to make it a thing on Excellent
just saying that Brandy, and I'm like, was that like what?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Nah? Shout out to Monica.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Bro, there's nothing, It's I came out on Brandy set,
you know what I'm saying. So I was just giving like, yeah,
it was nothing. First of all, Monica is amazing. I
love Monica like me and like every time like like
it's something dope on like she always comment on her.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I come it like it's all love, like that's gang.
So like, yeah, I think these narratives. It's yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
And in the moment, like when you're on stage, in
the moment, sometimes you just like trying to remember everything
and be present like.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
You know what I'm saying, But yeah, it's nothing.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
I'm happy to see both of them on tour, even
when I post it. When I was on the stage,
I congratulated both of them like I gave them both flowers. Yeah,
so people just be taking it out of proportion, man,
trying to make me an R and B villain. Man,
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Now embrace it.

Speaker 6 (54:37):
That one was unfair, Adel because yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I love by the way about the shadows side though,
when you feel comfortable over there.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Like, no, I'm not trying to embrace that me and
I'm me embracing that. It's different, bro, from it's not.
I don't need like, I don't need drugs to be dark.
I don't need like I don't want to be I
don't want to go there.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I did.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I don't want to go there no more. I don't
want to go there because I can't. What if I
like it, That's.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
It's a little that's the scared part when you don't.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Want to be there, you know, I feel good, like
what if I like it?

Speaker 4 (55:15):
And then it's now I got to create this whole
other thing around me, And it's like, nah, Bro, I listen.
I got too many blessings in my life right now
to me, things that I'm creating, great partners that are
just like wanting to like invest in things I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I too much. This is too much to lose.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I'm happy for you, brother, I appreciate it. I really
enjoyed this conversation.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Hearing you do the work is good.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
You want yeah, yeah, we outside. I just want to
make sure you're missing nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Mood swings out right now. You know.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
Everybody having mood swings right now, you know, and it's hey, move,
invite the mood swings, balance it out, enjoy it. You know,
Let's get back to love. Let's keep R and B alive, Bros.
R and B is such an important genre, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It allows us to explore love, and it allows us
to explore intimacy, allows us to have fun, and we
can have different conversations in it.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
It's just it's just all encompassing genre. I wouldn't want
to pick any other genre. Mose swings out right now.
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
What to play of it. We could play home, we
could play have y'all heard the EP? Yet? All right?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (56:17):
When y'all get a chance. Press play when you get
back to the crit got you that thing you ad yo?
Play all right?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Cool cool, let's hear nobody but nobody, but yeah, Yes,
the breakfast Club is Mario.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Hold on every day up waiting, Click yours up the
breakfast Club.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
You don't finish or y'all done.