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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Everybody is the j n V Jess hilarious charlamage the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club low on the roster filling
in for Jess. And we got a special guest in
the building. Yes, indeed we have tie Sewan Jones on
the sheet that says he is the first black professional
skateboard Is that true?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, that's what I said. But you are a professional skateboarder?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now how do you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Get to a quote unquote professional skateboarder title?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Uh? Well, I always explain it to people like music,
you know what I'm saying, or not not like music,
like basketball. So there's phases. There's three phases. First you
go flow, let's say that's like high school basketball. Then
you go amateur that's college, and then you go pro
that's NBA okay.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And what makes you pro?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Is it it's just a company of board company has
to turn you pro?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Got you?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So like that's the way the culture is, Like your
skateboard company is who determines when you go pro?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
And is your company like an agency or is it
just like a governing company that looks at like what
you've been doing like track record competitions or no, it's like.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
A company that, like you would be sponsored by this
individual one. So like I don't know, like I'm trying
to explain it in a way that child maybe remember,
Like you remember like Zu York yep, so Zuo York
is a skateboard company or was previously. They don't. I
don't think they make skateboards anymore. But Zu York would
turn you pro if you response about them, So that'd
(01:36):
be like basically like your team picking you up to
go to the A.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
And it's a very lucrative business. That's why I understand
why more people don't, you know, get involved in it.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, I think it's lucrative and as like certain people,
it's wishy washy. Some people get paid, some people don't
really get paid. It's kind of like it depends is
it just depends who you are, and I guess your image.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I first heard of about you sadly through some drama
when you got kicked in Paris.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, here you're pro skateboarder Tasha Jones kicked
off his bike by screenshle riding in Paris.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Then when I thought it, I'm like, oh, he's black.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, that was very interesting occurrence.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Why was that? What did did you ever find out
what that was about?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I never told the full story. I just kind
of put it on Instagram because it was funny to me.
I was like, because people like you know that, like
when stuff happens, it's like people can't is not gonna
believe this if I tell him, like so, and it
just so happened. My agent got a video. He's not
my agent, he's my team manager for Adidas. I'm sponsored
by Dida.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So oh, I thought it was just a random person
who I got.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So I'm gonna tell you the full story. So and
usually I'm deep, like I'm with like a bunch of
my friends and we we was in Paris. We go
eat or we go into the shows and stuff. We
tend we ride around the bikes. The one I'm alone,
I'm not well not alone, but I'm just with somebody
who's not about that life at all. So I'm with
my team manager from Adidas and he's like, let's go
(03:07):
get breakfast and I'm like okay, and he's like let's ride.
I'm like, he's like, you want to take a cab?
Like no, let's just ride bikes. His Paris traffic is crazy,
So he get downstairs, we grab the bikes. We're riding
the bikes and we get like two blocks from the
hotel and I'm wearing the Victor Victor hoodie. You know,
Steve is my manager, so he deals with Steven. So
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he's like, I'm going to film you because I'm going
to send Steven a video you wearing the hoodie. But
before he started filming me, I have my skateboard and
I have I have a bag in my hand. So
like in Paris, the bikes they're not like city bikes,
like they don't have a strap. So I have the
skateboard in the bucket and I'm holding the bike with
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my other hands, so like my, like my, what's the word.
I'm looking for my balance. So I'm like I'm biking
kind of slow. And then there's this guy is like
trailing me, and I'm like I'm like, I'm like, yo,
go in front of me, bro like you see, I'm
like you know what I'm saying, go around. I got
like a lot of stuff in my hands. So he
comes to the side of me and we're like face
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to face and he's like he's like, you're fucking American
blah blah blah blah blah, like you get in my
country da da da da American accent. Okay, So my
team manager from Adidas is behind me.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He's filming.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He's no, he's not filming at this point. He's just
like behind me, and I look at him and I
give him a look like I look back at him
because he know like I'm not going for that. So
we look at each other. He's like, please talk, Sean no,
and I'm like and I look back at the guy.
He's like screaming at me, and I'm like, get out
of my face or is it going to be an issue?
(04:49):
And then he's still going and I'm like, so I
kind of just like push him away from me, like
I give him like I'm like move. He bikes off,
so whatever. We're like, we're just biking that bike like
five blocks down, like the full videos like a minute long.
We're biking and the guy must have biked off waited
to the side, and I'm like we get like six
(05:10):
blocks down and I'm just like biking. I'm just going
to get breakfast with my team manager from Adidas, who's
like a German guy who's like the most peaceful guy
in the world. And this guy, I just get kicked
off the bike. I don't know, I'm just biking. I
just fall on the floor. So I'm like, what the
fuck just happened? And then I get up and I
see the guy like zooming on the bike. So then
(05:32):
I look at my team manager and I'm like it's over,
Like I'm I don't want to hear nothing, like I'm
going to get him. So I grabbed my bike and
I started chasing him. But you know, we're from New York,
so you no, no not that he has like one
of those bikes with like the like a throt or,
so it's way faster than my bike. So I'm trying
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to get him.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
It was like a movie, like I see him, but
he's like fading away and he makes it right and
when I get to the corner, let's say ten seconds later,
it's like three ways.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's like this way, this way, or this way, so
I'm like which way he fucking go? So then I
just go straight and I don't see him, and I'm like,
oh my god. And then I was like people like
like like I was biking I'm like trying to find
this guy. Someone's like, yo, what's up tie show? And
I'm like, oh my god, someone's gonna see me like
fighting this guy in Paris. I couldn't find him, so
I had to give up. No, No, it was funny.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Pushed him first.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I mean I didn't push him for he I mean,
it wasn't like I was just like get out of
my face. I wasn't like I didn't start him. I
was like, you know, you and my you know, somebody
coming up to you and they screaming at you gonna
be like yo, just like back up what you doing.
It wasn't like I was like, you know cause I
didn't want to be on that type of time and
with you know, so.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He laid and waited for you. Yeah, yeah, you miss
a skateboard to kick pushing.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know how many calls I got like yo, you
allowed that to happen. I'm like, are you like, come
on bro? Like that that didn't go down the way
and look. But then when I got to breakfast and
he showed me the video, I was like air dropped
me that, Like I have to post that, Like it
was just too funny. Like sometimes you have to laugh
at yourself, like I don't take myself that serious, and
I'll be like, like, it's nothing, I gonna do what.
(07:13):
I'm gonna go around Paris and look for this guy.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
So when you said why would you do that, you
didn't realize it was the guy you had just got into.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It at first.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, no, no, I was playing. I was strolling. Oh no,
I was just messing around. I knew why he did it.
I mean, even though I didn't think, you know, I
really did anything to him. He started with me. He
was cursing at me and like screaming at me in French,
calling me an f an American. But yeah, that's the
full story for the world.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
How did you get into skateboarding? When did you think
it was gonna be a business? Because you know, most
people know they skateboard, they ride bikes for fun as
a kid. But when did you say, oh, this is
a business, is gonna be my life.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
So I'll tell you the story how I got into skateboarding.
It's really funny. Actually, so my brother at the time,
he's still my brother, but we're not cool. That's another
funny story. But he we were at his cousin at
his grandmother's house and her nieces and nephew lived there.
And remember those TVs that like was kind of built
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it not TVs, but it'll be a TV and it's
like like the the speakers and stuff speakers, and then
it had like cabinets we can put stuff exactly. And
then it had remember like the CD things, the books
you could open up.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You remember.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So it was one of those they had that, and
they just had a bunch of video games in it,
and we wanted it, and we knew they wouldn't like
ask us. I mean, they wouldn't give it to us,
so we were like, let's take it. So we took
like a couple of video games and uh put it
in my private parts so like if they started looking
(08:50):
for it, they wouldn't know where.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You don't know what you make stealings sound like. Yeah,
it was just cool. I just took it like we
were kids.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
We were kids. We were like no, I was like nah,
he was probably thir teen, So we took I took
the We took the video games, and one of them
happened to be a skateboarding game, not to not Tony Hawk,
It's called skate It was just called skate. They have
Skate one, Skate two, Skate three, and they they're finally
making a new one after like a decade. So I
started playing the video games, and when I played the game,
(09:20):
we were like, I was like, really in the video games,
we didn't really go outside. I lived in Jersey at
this time, and I learned about skateboarding kind of like
the tricks and stuff from playing the video game. And
one day it was like summer, my mom came home
and she was like, all, y'all do is play the
video game? Like y'all need to go outside? And I
was We were like, we don't have no money. So
(09:41):
she gave us like sixty dollars each and then we
walked the target and bought skateboards. And then from there
I just kept skating and skating, and I was probably
like nine ten at the time. I didn't really know
I could maybe make money off of it. Till I
was like fourteen, I started getting paid. Yeah, what's Upbreme?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Before you said with Supreme, what was your connection to
like fashion and like the arts, because I think you
talked about people in your uh in skateboard and make
money based off of kind of like your look and
kind of like the brand people know you for, like
your look, your brand, your fashion as well too, Like
what was that connection before you started getting too brand news.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, I'm raised in New York, I'm Bronx Harlem,
so I feel like, just like styling, all of that
has been around. So just watching my family and stuff
grow up, I was always getting fly and stuff, so
I feel like my mom always kept me in like
good clothes and stuff, so I will always have like
cool gear to skating. And then I guess that you know,
(10:40):
potentially uh moved on into me skating in it and
then getting noticed and then yeah, how.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Did you convince you your mom that you know this
could actually be a profession.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I had to beg her, honestly. I remember when the
first deals was coming around, even signing was supreme, Like
the money was so small. Like she was like, they're
trying to play you that you look up on Google
they were I think at the time it was forty
million definitely for me. Yeah, she was like, they're not
about to play my son. Da da da da, And
I used to like cry. I had to beg her,
(11:12):
like just please trust me, like I'm not doing this
for money. I would do it for free, like this
is like it's gonna come. I just have to like
build my name. I knew that if I like grind
it one day, I could potentially make money and like
make some some real money. But it wasn't really about
the money to me at that time. You know, I
was just young, and I was like, I would do
this for free, so you know, I just needed the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I love stories like this because you know, I always say,
you just got to listen to your kids, and your
kids will tell you exactly what it is that they
want to do. So you was playing this skate game
and then when you got this money, you went out
and you bought this skateboard.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Like what was in your mind.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Like what was on your spirit that said, I know,
this is what I want to do for the rest
of my Like this is what's going to change the
trajectory in my life.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Well, I remember it was like a definitive moment where
I like made a decision and I was young. I
wanted to be a wrestler and I wanted to be
Spider Man too, Like that's what I was into. Like
I used to have, like I used to like really
like Spider Man. I thought that that was a profession
and Peter Parker, Nah, Toby Maguire, that was that was that, yeah,
(12:19):
Peter Parker. And then I wanted to be a wrestler
as well. And then but I was skating, so I
would like. I was like, my mom was like, which
one are you good to be? And then I was
just like we moved back to the Bronx and I
was like, yeah, I'm gonna just skate like that was
the most fun to me, and I just stuck with that.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
So yeah, and it was a period where it's like
hip hop really, I guess kind of made skateboarding. I
guess I'm not cool, or maybe we would. I'm not
gonna say cool because it was already cool, but when
the hip hop artist started doing it, it kind of
made it easier for you as a black kid.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah right, Yeah, for sure. I feel like growing up
in the Bronx and stuff, people be like make references
Tony Hawk obviously well skated low Wayne.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I feel like but even though like Loop A, he's known,
but I feel like certain people where I'm from, at
least I'm not gonna say they don't know Loupe, but
that that's not like first to mine, Like they would
probably be like yeah, like Wayne and they would say push,
But I don't I don't think they put two and
two together, like you know what I'm saying, Like, I
don't know if they even know who sing that song.
(13:29):
It was just more like a famous song.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What did that do for skateboarding culture from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I mean that was already like out, so I didn't
see it firsthand. But I don't think skateboarding was accepted
where I grew up, Like it was like people used
to just like kind of laugh and thought it was
like funny that I skated, but I was into it.
But I remember I kind of lived like two lives,
like because you know, I grew up in New York
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and like having like family and streets and stuff, so
they always kept me fly. So when I would go
to school, I would wear like Jordans and like stuff
like that. But then I would go home and like
put on my skate clothes, and it was kind of
like I had a double life. Like I would go
to school in the Bronx and like this crazy environment
and then I would like go home change my clothes
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take the train all the way downtown, and it was
like a different world from me. Like it was white people,
Asian people, all different type of races just brought together
by skateboard and it's not really like color and skateboarding,
Like it's just like everybody kind of having fun, so
that it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Was into it a lot too. Like I would always
see I feel like that people always thought.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Skateboarders was soft.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, And I would always see skateboard as fuck somebody
up all the time. The skateboards beat somebody's ass and
beat somebody's car.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did y'all always get in.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The problems of trouble when people thought y'all were soft
or cut y'all off or.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
If it's sure, definitely, I think like people don't associate
skateboar board and like being tough. But you know, it's
just like that's anything. You know. I'm not saying that
people walk around like I'm a tough guy, but nigga's
not soft. It's just like, but like a skateboard is
a weapon. If you hit somebody with a weapon, Like
I've known people who hit people with skateboards and like
(15:16):
put them in a coma, Like you don't even play
with that, Like it's like a metal object that could
really hurt somebody. So that's like if you have to
do that. But obviously, like you see in kids, they
hit the guy with the skateboard and stuff. It's happened,
but it's really dangerous.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's funny too. You said you used to get fly,
but then you go home and dress like a skater.
But there was a time where that was getting fly
for some people.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean I remember the transition. Like at first,
like I used to wear a state skates like skate stuff,
and they would be like, that's like you look like
a white boy or whatever. But then it kind of
like got popular, you know, with like streetwear and all
that stuff, and then it was more accepted. So it
was funny to see the transition. But it's dope when
you know. To me, some skaters don't like it when
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they feel like people come into the culture, but I
think it's cool. It brings more odds to the sport
and all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So it was Virgil. I read that Virgil. You and
Virgil Ablow had a really good relationship. Yeah, we were
cool taking a streetwear.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, we were actually working on something before he
passed away. It never came to light. But yeah, virtual
was cool. We would talk and we were going to
do a collaboration with my brand and off White that
we were working on. But yeah, his untimely demise, Yeah,
(16:34):
it never came out.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
When stuff like that happens, do you just let the
whole idea die?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I mean I really didn't have a I didn't know
what to do, you know at that time was it
twenty twenty one. I remember my modeling agent called me
and told me. But I wasn't going to be like,
you know, people are grieving and stuff like that. I'm
not going to reach out to his family or like, yo,
we you know, sorry for your loss. But by the
way we were working on it, that yeah, exactly. At
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that point to me, it's like, you know, they if
somebody from his team knew about it and they and
they reached out and was like I knew you guys
were working on this, like we want to continue it.
But that never happened, and it's okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Much do you have to hurt yourself to get as
good as you've gotten? How many injuries, broken.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Bones, knock on wood? I never really I never broke
a bone, but you obviously you fall and stuff like.
I just think skateboarding teaches like it's like a life lesson,
Like you have to keep going to get over the hurdle,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, if I had
a dollar for every time I've heard like, yeah, I
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tried skateboarding once, but I fell and I quit, you
know what I'm saying. Because people don't like to fall
once or twice and then they're just like, oh, that hurt,
But like, you get used to it. It's like working out.
When you first start working out, your body's really sore,
and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it
and you get used to it and you learn you
just have to like wanna you know what I'm saying,
and strive to get better.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was asking, you, know, what do you do to
push the limit, right, because I've seen a lot of
things you did. You work with Louis Baton, right, you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
With Steven Victims, arise in front of the house.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I see you jump over a million dollar Ferraris in
the middle of Manhattan. So what do you do to
push the limit for the next generation that you know,
things that we haven't seen or things that you want
to do.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I just think it's limitless, you know, like even like
to the Ferrari. Let's just use that as an example.
Like I try to when I skate I want to
like make it relatable because skateboarding, to me is so
what's the word. It's just like you don't understand it.
You just see like somebody flying in the air. And
(18:45):
I think that skateboarding gets like culturally, it's like accepted
because people understand it's cool, and it's like the like
you know, like I don't know, some people won't call
it a sport, but it's the sport that like the
outsiders because you do it alone. It's an individual whe
like basketball or something like that. As a team and
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you go to a stadium and stuff like that, and
it's more you could dissect it easier. Like you know,
somebody's running down the court, they pass, they shoot, it's two,
it's three, you know what I'm saying. Skateboard and you
can't learn everything. It's impossible because there's like combos. You
could jump onto this table and man, you and this that.
You know what I'm saying. So it's literally impossible to
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be able to do every trick, so and I think
that's why I gravitated to it as well, because you know,
to me, I like to keep setting a bar, but you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Still learn new tricks, you still do new things.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Or oh man, it's kind of hard because I mean
I try to learn new tricks. Sometimes I get new tricks,
but now I'm at a point like you know, it's
a gift in the curves, but I go to the
skatepark and people watch me, so it's kind of like,
you know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like
a little like weird sometimes trying to learn a trick
because people look at you at this point like you're
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a professional, like they thinking they're mind Like you probably
could just land everything. So when you're trying to like
go into the like I'm trying to train, kind of
vibe at like a public place and somebody might be
filming you, or this is just kind of hard, you
know what I'm saying. You don't see you know, Luca
in the park practicing, you know what I'm saying. He
has a private facility where he's training and he could
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try to learn new things. So I'm working on that
right now to try to get a private indoor skate park,
so I could practice. Are there new tricks though, I
mean yeah, not new tricks, but tricks you probably haven't done,
you know what I'm saying. Like I mean, I'm sorry
to keep referring back to basketball, but like you know,
somebody might not be able to go left as easy
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or see what I'm saying, So they could practice that,
or they can't dunk through their let you know what
I'm saying. So it's impossible to know everything. You know,
as good as you are, you could always progress, so
you know.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I know Charlotte aks about what was the LV the
friend of the house thing. I told them people to
explain it and for real brought you into that. Was
it because of the virgin of a relationship or just
because he's been like watching what you've been doing.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'm sure. I don't know if it's because of the
virgin relationship. I think he's just a fan of skateboarding.
He obviously skateboards. He likes the sport and the culture,
and probably thought I was a good representative for the
brand and bad I guess I'm sponsored by Louis Vuitton.
(21:25):
Events with them, yeah, events close go to the shows,
campaigns stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So yeah, money, black people accepted into skating, Like is
it one of those things where it's.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Just yeah, I think black people skate is accepted as
skating for sure. I mean I don't think there's like
a lot of professional black skaters maybe like twenty twenty five,
but yeah, we're accepted for sure.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
And what's the evolution of skateboarding and really the evolution
of you? Because you know what, I hear things like
skateboards coming out of like with are you in that?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't know. I'm in Tony Hawk coming out, so
that's cool. They got a new one, a remastering, so
that's about to come out. I was in the last one.
The evolution of skateboard, that's a great question. I don't know.
It's in the Olympics now, you know. I just think
it's getting bigger and better, Like Louis Vuitton is sponsoring it.
So I'm excited to see where it goes, and maybe
(22:24):
it does get to a place where it's like a
basketball or football and people really dive into it more
and look at it and you know, try to understand
it a little bit more. Besides just like skateboarders are
cool or like have like a fashion aspect to them.
So honestly, the it's unknown where it could go. I
think this guy's the limit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And Tony Hawk's still the guy guy right like he
is he the godfather of it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
All, for sure. It's interesting we had I was having
a conversation somebody. It's interesting that he's the only like
he made it it like really mainstream. Like when people
think of skateboarding, they refer to yeah, but it's only
been one Like you don't, like imagine music, when people
thought of rap, they just like Biggie Biggie. You want
to be like Biggie, But there's a thousand rappers, you
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know what I'm saying. So that just goes to show
like how like skateboarding is just weird in that way
that it hasn't been Like everybody who's like super famous
off skateboarding, they got famous doing other things. Like Tony Hawk,
he's so famous because of the video games. Rob deer
Deck is Rob Deardeck because he had the TV show.
(23:34):
So I think there's always another element to like getting
over to that real mainstream level, you know what I'm saying.
I don't think anybody ever successfully did it just being
a skateboarder.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That's how you know somebody famously. I'm watching the super
Bowl commercials, the DraftKings commercials.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think it was this weekend? What did this weekend?
Last week? Last weekend?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And it was like it was Kevin Hart was in it,
the Undertaker and Emmitt Smith and Ludacris and Doctor J and.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tony Hawk, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And I'm just like, you don't even think about it,
but that's just how famous he is.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Because I'm not in the state.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He's a name at this point, it's like he's he's huge.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He's actually said to myself, Damn, Tony Hawk got old.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yea Tony Hawk is grown. So I mean, that's what
I was when I was having a conversation with my peoples.
He was like, who's going to carry that sword forward?
I'm not saying that's going to be me or whatever,
you know, but it would be interesting to see who's
able to obtain that level next, you know what I'm saying,
Who's going to be the next generation of skateboarding that
the Charlemagne or the Envs like you want to be?
(24:34):
You know what I'm saying, because it only it only
refers back to Tony Hawk.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't even know how I know Tony Hawk.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Exactly video games.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, he's I really don't know. I'm just I'm
knowing my whole life, but I don't know. I'm like,
why do I.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Feel like he's like Shack at this point or like
a Snoop Dogg, Like he gets like endorsements, like he's
like on a I don't know, like what's the acts commercials?
So you know what I'm saying. So like he's like
miss in like Middle America and all of these places
because like they really watch TV and you know, all
of those things.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
When do it gets you to that?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think again, it has to be another element because
I think skateboarding you don't understand it. It's just flying
in the sky. Are you doing a trick? Or he
jumped down some stairs or oh that looked crazy? You
know what I'm saying. If you don't skateboard, you don't
understand it, right, So.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, yeah, do you like because it's not a
lot of black skateboarders, do you ever have issues sometimes
where like people are like there's discrimination, racism, like that
type of thing, Like do you come up against that
at all, it seems like, I mean, that seems like
you're doing very well. You have all the major brands,
but even with like the LV thing, you know, there's
(25:45):
always like the push for more black in the couture spaces,
but you're a couture in that world and you also skateboarder,
and people always you know, we don't know much about
the skateboarding.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I wouldn't say like in a brand space. I mean,
obviously I've experienced like weird things throughout my career. I've
been in skating since I was thirteen, you know, but
it was maybe from like other pro skaters, but you know,
it was not like from like companies or anything. I
would say, but you know, I wouldn't make it like
(26:17):
a race thing, like oh, it's so like diverse, but
certain things happen sometimes when you're in spaces and stuff,
and it wasn't like anything super catastrophic, but like, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Just wonder because I don't hear much about it, Like
you don't hear much about like with the NFL, there's
so much conversations and NBA don't I've never heard anything. Yeah,
skateboard m hm. You gotta rage against the machine.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, I mean I think that if there is like
skateboarding is so small that like even if there are
things that did happen, people don't really want to speak
up because skateboarding is like controlled by like the people,
the ogs, who had the market for so long. I
was like, if you come out and you're like maybe controversial,
(27:04):
then they could just like clip you.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And I love your hoodie because you know the Simpsons.
That's another reason I think the skateboarding so much because
of that any influence.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Nah, it was really just a video game. I don't know.
This was a gift from a friend. But yeah, I
never really watched the Simpsons, like a couple of episodes,
but yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like famous for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
How did you connect with Stephen Victim through a friend?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I called a friend and I was like, I'm looking
for a Ferrari or like a sports car that I
want to jump over. I was like, I know your
friend has some. Do you think he would like let
me rent one from him and do it. He's like,
let me call you back, and I was like all right.
(27:57):
He called me back like immediately, and he was We
were on three way and he was like, so tell
him what you want to do and I was like, uh,
I want to like jump over your car with a skateboard.
Would you let me rent it. I'll like put some insurance,
like I'll put some money down in case something happens.
And he was like, nah, that's what insurance is for.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I was like all right, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And he's like he's like that sounds fire. Like let's
do it. Let's meet. And my friend had been coming
to New York because he was living in LA and
he was like, we're going to go to his office.
And then we came to his office and he was
he was like, so, what do you want to do again?
And I was like just telling him. Like he's like,
you think you could do it? I was like yeah,
(28:41):
I think so, like for sure. And then he's like
all right, we're going to set it up this week
and then like three days later we made it happen.
It was just something I wanted to do, like I
just have, you know, random ideas.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Like that wasn't a typical Ferrari because one a very
few to call a friend who gets Stephen Victor on
the phone about probably four million right now, it has
no top. It's it's one of those ones that there
is no fixing it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You fucked that up.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It's a rat But it was.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
But that's why you say. You make it sound like that.
But it was innocent. It wasn't like so premeditated, like
I wanted to do it, but I didn't know that
it was gonna be like that. You know what I'm saying,
Like I didn't know, not even just the car. I
didn't know that, like people would gravitate to it so crazy.
I thought, you know what I'm saying, but it resonates
you know exactly how I said, Like you don't know tricks,
but you know that car. You get what I'm saying.
(29:33):
So in your mind you like, oh shit, he just
jumped over a four million dollar car. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
The way I first saw it, I just thought it
was the car was parking.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You just did it roll.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Then when I found out that, I said, Steven is crazy. Yeah,
I don't know what he got too much money.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
For all that.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Basically, Stephen Victor, charge you ten to fifteen percent for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
We made up. We made a moment. You know, it's
trying to make more.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
We appreciate thank you for joining us. Thank you so much, man,
appreciate it. Thank you for having me, keeping couraging kids.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Man. And I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
You the only skateboarder I know right now, so I'm
gonna be watching you and in my mind you Tony Hawk.
So when I bring up skateboard now, I'm yeah, tas
Shawn jonesilling it out here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me. And
it's a real full circle moment. I'm not gonna I
watched Breakfast Club on YouTube, like I'll be on YouTube
when I go home and I watch you got stuff.
So I really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I was gonna bring a skateboard to see if you
could teach us all a trick, but we're too old
for that.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
We hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
When I get hurt, me get back when I get this,
when I get the skate park, y'all come through.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's ta Shawn Jones.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Good morning, Wake that ass up in the morning. The
Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Everybody is the j n V Jess hilarious charlamage the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club low on the roster filling
in for Jess. And we got a special guest in
the building. Yes, indeed we have tie Sewan Jones on
the sheet that says he is the first black professional
skateboard Is that true?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, that's what I said. But you are a professional skateboarder?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now how do you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Get to a quote unquote professional skateboarder title?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Uh? Well, I always explain it to people like music,
you know what I'm saying, or not not like music,
like basketball. So there's phases. There's three phases. First you
go flow, let's say that's like high school basketball. Then
you go amateur that's college, and then you go pro
that's NBA okay.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And what makes you pro?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Is it it's just a company of board company has
to turn you pro?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Got you?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
So like that's the way the culture is, Like your
skateboard company is who determines when you go pro?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
And is your company like an agency or is it
just like a governing company that looks at like what
you've been doing like track record competitions or no, it's like.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
A company that, like you would be sponsored by this
individual one. So like I don't know, like I'm trying
to explain it in a way that child maybe remember,
Like you remember like Zu York yep, so Zuo York
is a skateboard company or was previously. They don't. I
don't think they make skateboards anymore. But Zu York would
turn you pro if you response about them, So that'd
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be like basically like your team picking you up to
go to the A.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
And it's a very lucrative business. That's why I understand
why more people don't, you know, get involved in it.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, I think it's lucrative and as like certain people,
it's wishy washy. Some people get paid, some people don't
really get paid. It's kind of like it depends is
it just depends who you are, and I guess your image.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I first heard of about you sadly through some drama
when you got kicked in Paris.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, here you're pro skateboarder Tasha Jones kicked
off his bike by screenshle riding in Paris.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Then when I thought it, I'm like, oh, he's black.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, that was very interesting occurrence.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Why was that? What did did you ever find out
what that was about?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So I never told the full story. I just kind
of put it on Instagram because it was funny to me.
I was like, because people like you know that, like
when stuff happens, it's like people can't is not gonna
believe this if I tell him, like so, and it
just so happened. My agent got a video. He's not
my agent, he's my team manager for Adidas. I'm sponsored
by Dida.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
So oh, I thought it was just a random person
who I got.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So I'm gonna tell you the full story. So and
usually I'm deep, like I'm with like a bunch of
my friends and we we was in Paris. We go
eat or we go into the shows and stuff. We
tend we ride around the bikes. The one I'm alone,
I'm not well not alone, but I'm just with somebody
who's not about that life at all. So I'm with
my team manager from Adidas and he's like, let's go
(03:07):
get breakfast and I'm like okay, and he's like let's ride.
I'm like, he's like, you want to take a cab?
Like no, let's just ride bikes. His Paris traffic is crazy,
So he get downstairs, we grab the bikes. We're riding
the bikes and we get like two blocks from the
hotel and I'm wearing the Victor Victor hoodie. You know,
Steve is my manager, so he deals with Steven. So
(03:30):
he's like, I'm going to film you because I'm going
to send Steven a video you wearing the hoodie. But
before he started filming me, I have my skateboard and
I have I have a bag in my hand. So
like in Paris, the bikes they're not like city bikes,
like they don't have a strap. So I have the
skateboard in the bucket and I'm holding the bike with
(03:52):
my other hands, so like my, like my, what's the word.
I'm looking for my balance. So I'm like I'm biking
kind of slow. And then there's this guy is like
trailing me, and I'm like I'm like, I'm like, yo,
go in front of me, bro like you see, I'm
like you know what I'm saying, go around. I got
like a lot of stuff in my hands. So he
comes to the side of me and we're like face
(04:14):
to face and he's like he's like, you're fucking American
blah blah blah blah blah, like you get in my
country da da da da American accent. Okay, So my
team manager from Adidas is behind me.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
He's filming.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He's no, he's not filming at this point. He's just
like behind me, and I look at him and I
give him a look like I look back at him
because he know like I'm not going for that. So
we look at each other. He's like, please talk, Sean no,
and I'm like and I look back at the guy.
He's like screaming at me, and I'm like, get out
of my face or is it going to be an issue?
(04:49):
And then he's still going and I'm like, so I
kind of just like push him away from me, like
I give him like I'm like move. He bikes off,
so whatever. We're like, we're just biking that bike like
five blocks down, like the full videos like a minute long.
We're biking and the guy must have biked off waited
to the side, and I'm like we get like six
(05:10):
blocks down and I'm just like biking. I'm just going
to get breakfast with my team manager from Adidas, who's
like a German guy who's like the most peaceful guy
in the world. And this guy, I just get kicked
off the bike. I don't know, I'm just biking. I
just fall on the floor. So I'm like, what the
fuck just happened? And then I get up and I
see the guy like zooming on the bike. So then
(05:32):
I look at my team manager and I'm like it's over,
Like I'm I don't want to hear nothing, like I'm
going to get him. So I grabbed my bike and
I started chasing him. But you know, we're from New York,
so you no, no not that he has like one
of those bikes with like the like a throt or,
so it's way faster than my bike. So I'm trying
(05:53):
to get him.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
It was like a movie, like I see him, but
he's like fading away and he makes it right and
when I get to the corner, let's say ten seconds later,
it's like three ways.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's like this way, this way, or this way, so
I'm like which way he fucking go? So then I
just go straight and I don't see him, and I'm like,
oh my god. And then I was like people like
like like I was biking I'm like trying to find
this guy. Someone's like, yo, what's up tie show? And
I'm like, oh my god, someone's gonna see me like
fighting this guy in Paris. I couldn't find him, so
I had to give up. No, No, it was funny.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Pushed him first.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I mean I didn't push him for he I mean,
it wasn't like I was just like get out of
my face. I wasn't like I didn't start him. I
was like, you know, you and my you know, somebody
coming up to you and they screaming at you gonna
be like yo, just like back up what you doing.
It wasn't like I was like, you know cause I
didn't want to be on that type of time and
with you know, so.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He laid and waited for you. Yeah, yeah, you miss
a skateboard to kick pushing.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know how many calls I got like yo, you
allowed that to happen. I'm like, are you like, come
on bro? Like that that didn't go down the way
and look. But then when I got to breakfast and
he showed me the video, I was like air dropped
me that, Like I have to post that, Like it
was just too funny. Like sometimes you have to laugh
at yourself, like I don't take myself that serious, and
I'll be like, like, it's nothing, I gonna do what.
(07:13):
I'm gonna go around Paris and look for this guy.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
So when you said why would you do that, you
didn't realize it was the guy you had just got into.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It at first.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, no, no, I was playing. I was strolling. Oh no,
I was just messing around. I knew why he did it.
I mean, even though I didn't think, you know, I
really did anything to him. He started with me. He
was cursing at me and like screaming at me in French,
calling me an f an American. But yeah, that's the
full story for the world.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
How did you get into skateboarding? When did you think
it was gonna be a business? Because you know, most
people know they skateboard, they ride bikes for fun as
a kid. But when did you say, oh, this is
a business, is gonna be my life.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
So I'll tell you the story how I got into skateboarding.
It's really funny. Actually, so my brother at the time,
he's still my brother, but we're not cool. That's another
funny story. But he we were at his cousin at
his grandmother's house and her nieces and nephew lived there.
And remember those TVs that like was kind of built
(08:12):
it not TVs, but it'll be a TV and it's
like like the the speakers and stuff speakers, and then
it had like cabinets we can put stuff exactly. And
then it had remember like the CD things, the books
you could open up.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You remember.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So it was one of those they had that, and
they just had a bunch of video games in it,
and we wanted it, and we knew they wouldn't like
ask us. I mean, they wouldn't give it to us,
so we were like, let's take it. So we took
like a couple of video games and uh put it
in my private parts so like if they started looking
(08:50):
for it, they wouldn't know where.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You don't know what you make stealings sound like. Yeah,
it was just cool. I just took it like we
were kids.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
We were kids. We were like no, I was like nah,
he was probably thir teen, So we took I took
the We took the video games, and one of them
happened to be a skateboarding game, not to not Tony Hawk,
It's called skate It was just called skate. They have
Skate one, Skate two, Skate three, and they they're finally
making a new one after like a decade. So I
started playing the video games, and when I played the game,
(09:20):
we were like, I was like, really in the video games,
we didn't really go outside. I lived in Jersey at
this time, and I learned about skateboarding kind of like
the tricks and stuff from playing the video game. And
one day it was like summer, my mom came home
and she was like, all, y'all do is play the
video game? Like y'all need to go outside? And I
was We were like, we don't have no money. So
(09:41):
she gave us like sixty dollars each and then we
walked the target and bought skateboards. And then from there
I just kept skating and skating, and I was probably
like nine ten at the time. I didn't really know
I could maybe make money off of it. Till I
was like fourteen, I started getting paid. Yeah, what's Upbreme?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Before you said with Supreme, what was your connection to
like fashion and like the arts, because I think you
talked about people in your uh in skateboard and make
money based off of kind of like your look and
kind of like the brand people know you for, like
your look, your brand, your fashion as well too, Like
what was that connection before you started getting too brand news.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, I'm raised in New York, I'm Bronx Harlem,
so I feel like, just like styling, all of that
has been around. So just watching my family and stuff
grow up, I was always getting fly and stuff, so
I feel like my mom always kept me in like
good clothes and stuff, so I will always have like
cool gear to skating. And then I guess that you know,
(10:40):
potentially uh moved on into me skating in it and
then getting noticed and then yeah, how.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Did you convince you your mom that you know this
could actually be a profession.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I had to beg her, honestly. I remember when the
first deals was coming around, even signing was supreme, Like
the money was so small. Like she was like, they're
trying to play you that you look up on Google
they were I think at the time it was forty
million definitely for me. Yeah, she was like, they're not
about to play my son. Da da da da, And
I used to like cry. I had to beg her,
(11:12):
like just please trust me, like I'm not doing this
for money. I would do it for free, like this
is like it's gonna come. I just have to like
build my name. I knew that if I like grind
it one day, I could potentially make money and like
make some some real money. But it wasn't really about
the money to me at that time. You know, I
was just young, and I was like, I would do
this for free, so you know, I just needed the opportunity.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I love stories like this because you know, I always say,
you just got to listen to your kids, and your
kids will tell you exactly what it is that they
want to do. So you was playing this skate game
and then when you got this money, you went out
and you bought this skateboard.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Like what was in your mind.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Like what was on your spirit that said, I know,
this is what I want to do for the rest
of my Like this is what's going to change the
trajectory in my life.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Well, I remember it was like a definitive moment where
I like made a decision and I was young. I
wanted to be a wrestler and I wanted to be
Spider Man too, Like that's what I was into. Like
I used to have, like I used to like really
like Spider Man. I thought that that was a profession
and Peter Parker, Nah, Toby Maguire, that was that was that, yeah,
(12:19):
Peter Parker. And then I wanted to be a wrestler
as well. And then but I was skating, so I
would like. I was like, my mom was like, which
one are you good to be? And then I was
just like we moved back to the Bronx and I
was like, yeah, I'm gonna just skate like that was
the most fun to me, and I just stuck with that.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
So yeah, and it was a period where it's like
hip hop really, I guess kind of made skateboarding. I
guess I'm not cool, or maybe we would. I'm not
gonna say cool because it was already cool, but when
the hip hop artist started doing it, it kind of
made it easier for you as a black kid.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah right, Yeah, for sure. I feel like growing up
in the Bronx and stuff, people be like make references
Tony Hawk obviously well skated low Wayne.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I feel like but even though like Loop A, he's known,
but I feel like certain people where I'm from, at
least I'm not gonna say they don't know Loupe, but
that that's not like first to mine, Like they would
probably be like yeah, like Wayne and they would say push,
But I don't I don't think they put two and
two together, like you know what I'm saying, Like, I
don't know if they even know who sing that song.
(13:29):
It was just more like a famous song.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
What did that do for skateboarding culture from your perspective.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I mean that was already like out, so I didn't
see it firsthand. But I don't think skateboarding was accepted
where I grew up, Like it was like people used
to just like kind of laugh and thought it was
like funny that I skated, but I was into it.
But I remember I kind of lived like two lives,
like because you know, I grew up in New York
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and like having like family and streets and stuff, so
they always kept me fly. So when I would go
to school, I would wear like Jordans and like stuff
like that. But then I would go home and like
put on my skate clothes, and it was kind of
like I had a double life. Like I would go
to school in the Bronx and like this crazy environment
and then I would like go home change my clothes
(14:19):
take the train all the way downtown, and it was
like a different world from me. Like it was white people,
Asian people, all different type of races just brought together
by skateboard and it's not really like color and skateboarding,
Like it's just like everybody kind of having fun, so
that it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Was into it a lot too. Like I would always
see I feel like that people always thought.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Skateboarders was soft.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, And I would always see skateboard as fuck somebody
up all the time. The skateboards beat somebody's ass and
beat somebody's car.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did y'all always get in.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The problems of trouble when people thought y'all were soft
or cut y'all off or.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
If it's sure, definitely, I think like people don't associate
skateboar board and like being tough. But you know, it's
just like that's anything. You know. I'm not saying that
people walk around like I'm a tough guy, but nigga's
not soft. It's just like, but like a skateboard is
a weapon. If you hit somebody with a weapon, Like
I've known people who hit people with skateboards and like
(15:16):
put them in a coma, Like you don't even play
with that, Like it's like a metal object that could
really hurt somebody. So that's like if you have to
do that. But obviously, like you see in kids, they
hit the guy with the skateboard and stuff. It's happened,
but it's really dangerous.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's funny too. You said you used to get fly,
but then you go home and dress like a skater.
But there was a time where that was getting fly
for some people.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, I mean I remember the transition. Like at first,
like I used to wear a state skates like skate stuff,
and they would be like, that's like you look like
a white boy or whatever. But then it kind of
like got popular, you know, with like streetwear and all
that stuff, and then it was more accepted. So it
was funny to see the transition. But it's dope when
you know. To me, some skaters don't like it when
(15:59):
they feel like people come into the culture, but I
think it's cool. It brings more odds to the sport
and all of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So it was Virgil. I read that Virgil. You and
Virgil Ablow had a really good relationship. Yeah, we were
cool taking a streetwear.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, yeah, we were actually working on something before he
passed away. It never came to light. But yeah, virtual
was cool. We would talk and we were going to
do a collaboration with my brand and off White that
we were working on. But yeah, his untimely demise, Yeah,
(16:34):
it never came out.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
When stuff like that happens, do you just let the
whole idea die?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I mean I really didn't have a I didn't know
what to do, you know at that time was it
twenty twenty one. I remember my modeling agent called me
and told me. But I wasn't going to be like,
you know, people are grieving and stuff like that. I'm
not going to reach out to his family or like, yo,
we you know, sorry for your loss. But by the
way we were working on it, that yeah, exactly. At
(17:01):
that point to me, it's like, you know, they if
somebody from his team knew about it and they and
they reached out and was like I knew you guys
were working on this, like we want to continue it.
But that never happened, and it's okay, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Much do you have to hurt yourself to get as
good as you've gotten? How many injuries, broken.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Bones, knock on wood? I never really I never broke
a bone, but you obviously you fall and stuff like.
I just think skateboarding teaches like it's like a life lesson,
Like you have to keep going to get over the hurdle,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, if I had
a dollar for every time I've heard like, yeah, I
(17:41):
tried skateboarding once, but I fell and I quit, you
know what I'm saying. Because people don't like to fall
once or twice and then they're just like, oh, that hurt,
But like, you get used to it. It's like working out.
When you first start working out, your body's really sore,
and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it
and you get used to it and you learn you
just have to like wanna you know what I'm saying,
and strive to get better.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was asking, you, know, what do you do to
push the limit, right, because I've seen a lot of
things you did. You work with Louis Baton, right, you.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
With Steven Victims, arise in front of the house.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I see you jump over a million dollar Ferraris in
the middle of Manhattan. So what do you do to
push the limit for the next generation that you know,
things that we haven't seen or things that you want
to do.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I just think it's limitless, you know, like even like
to the Ferrari. Let's just use that as an example.
Like I try to when I skate I want to
like make it relatable because skateboarding, to me is so
what's the word. It's just like you don't understand it.
You just see like somebody flying in the air. And
(18:45):
I think that skateboarding gets like culturally, it's like accepted
because people understand it's cool, and it's like the like
you know, like I don't know, some people won't call
it a sport, but it's the sport that like the
outsiders because you do it alone. It's an individual whe
like basketball or something like that. As a team and
(19:05):
you go to a stadium and stuff like that, and
it's more you could dissect it easier. Like you know,
somebody's running down the court, they pass, they shoot, it's two,
it's three, you know what I'm saying. Skateboard and you
can't learn everything. It's impossible because there's like combos. You
could jump onto this table and man, you and this that.
You know what I'm saying. So it's literally impossible to
(19:25):
be able to do every trick, so and I think
that's why I gravitated to it as well, because you know,
to me, I like to keep setting a bar, but you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Still learn new tricks, you still do new things.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Or oh man, it's kind of hard because I mean
I try to learn new tricks. Sometimes I get new tricks,
but now I'm at a point like you know, it's
a gift in the curves, but I go to the
skatepark and people watch me, so it's kind of like,
you know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like
a little like weird sometimes trying to learn a trick
because people look at you at this point like you're
(19:58):
a professional, like they thinking they're mind Like you probably
could just land everything. So when you're trying to like
go into the like I'm trying to train, kind of
vibe at like a public place and somebody might be
filming you, or this is just kind of hard, you
know what I'm saying. You don't see you know, Luca
in the park practicing, you know what I'm saying. He
has a private facility where he's training and he could
(20:20):
try to learn new things. So I'm working on that
right now to try to get a private indoor skate park,
so I could practice. Are there new tricks though, I
mean yeah, not new tricks, but tricks you probably haven't done,
you know what I'm saying. Like I mean, I'm sorry
to keep referring back to basketball, but like you know,
somebody might not be able to go left as easy
(20:42):
or see what I'm saying, So they could practice that,
or they can't dunk through their let you know what
I'm saying. So it's impossible to know everything. You know,
as good as you are, you could always progress, so
you know.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
I know Charlotte aks about what was the LV the
friend of the house thing. I told them people to
explain it and for real brought you into that. Was
it because of the virgin of a relationship or just
because he's been like watching what you've been doing.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I'm sure. I don't know if it's because of the
virgin relationship. I think he's just a fan of skateboarding.
He obviously skateboards. He likes the sport and the culture,
and probably thought I was a good representative for the
brand and bad I guess I'm sponsored by Louis Vuitton.
(21:25):
Events with them, yeah, events close go to the shows,
campaigns stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
So yeah, money, black people accepted into skating, Like is
it one of those things where it's.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Just yeah, I think black people skate is accepted as
skating for sure. I mean I don't think there's like
a lot of professional black skaters maybe like twenty twenty five,
but yeah, we're accepted for sure.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
And what's the evolution of skateboarding and really the evolution
of you? Because you know what, I hear things like
skateboards coming out of like with are you in that?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I don't know. I'm in Tony Hawk coming out, so
that's cool. They got a new one, a remastering, so
that's about to come out. I was in the last one.
The evolution of skateboard, that's a great question. I don't know.
It's in the Olympics now, you know. I just think
it's getting bigger and better, Like Louis Vuitton is sponsoring it.
So I'm excited to see where it goes, and maybe
(22:24):
it does get to a place where it's like a
basketball or football and people really dive into it more
and look at it and you know, try to understand
it a little bit more. Besides just like skateboarders are
cool or like have like a fashion aspect to them.
So honestly, the it's unknown where it could go. I
think this guy's the limit.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
And Tony Hawk's still the guy guy right like he
is he the godfather of it.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
All, for sure. It's interesting we had I was having
a conversation somebody. It's interesting that he's the only like
he made it it like really mainstream. Like when people
think of skateboarding, they refer to yeah, but it's only
been one Like you don't, like imagine music, when people
thought of rap, they just like Biggie Biggie. You want
to be like Biggie, But there's a thousand rappers, you
(23:13):
know what I'm saying. So that just goes to show
like how like skateboarding is just weird in that way
that it hasn't been Like everybody who's like super famous
off skateboarding, they got famous doing other things. Like Tony Hawk,
he's so famous because of the video games. Rob deer
Deck is Rob Deardeck because he had the TV show.
(23:34):
So I think there's always another element to like getting
over to that real mainstream level, you know what I'm saying.
I don't think anybody ever successfully did it just being
a skateboarder.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That's how you know somebody famously. I'm watching the super
Bowl commercials, the DraftKings commercials.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think it was this weekend? What did this weekend?
Last week? Last weekend?
Speaker 6 (23:52):
And it was like it was Kevin Hart was in it,
the Undertaker and Emmitt Smith and Ludacris and Doctor J and.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tony Hawk, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
And I'm just like, you don't even think about it,
but that's just how famous he is.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Because I'm not in the state.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
He's a name at this point, it's like he's he's huge.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
He's actually said to myself, Damn, Tony Hawk got old.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yea Tony Hawk is grown. So I mean, that's what
I was when I was having a conversation with my peoples.
He was like, who's going to carry that sword forward?
I'm not saying that's going to be me or whatever,
you know, but it would be interesting to see who's
able to obtain that level next, you know what I'm saying,
Who's going to be the next generation of skateboarding that
the Charlemagne or the Envs like you want to be?
(24:34):
You know what I'm saying, because it only it only
refers back to Tony Hawk.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't even know how I know Tony Hawk.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Exactly video games.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, he's I really don't know. I'm just I'm
knowing my whole life, but I don't know. I'm like,
why do I.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Feel like he's like Shack at this point or like
a Snoop Dogg, Like he gets like endorsements, like he's
like on a I don't know, like what's the acts commercials?
So you know what I'm saying. So like he's like
miss in like Middle America and all of these places
because like they really watch TV and you know, all
of those things.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
When do it gets you to that?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think again, it has to be another element because
I think skateboarding you don't understand it. It's just flying
in the sky. Are you doing a trick? Or he
jumped down some stairs or oh that looked crazy? You
know what I'm saying. If you don't skateboard, you don't
understand it, right, So.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, yeah, do you like because it's not a
lot of black skateboarders, do you ever have issues sometimes
where like people are like there's discrimination, racism, like that
type of thing, Like do you come up against that
at all, it seems like, I mean, that seems like
you're doing very well. You have all the major brands,
but even with like the LV thing, you know, there's
(25:45):
always like the push for more black in the couture spaces,
but you're a couture in that world and you also skateboarder,
and people always you know, we don't know much about
the skateboarding.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I wouldn't say like in a brand space. I mean,
obviously I've experienced like weird things throughout my career. I've
been in skating since I was thirteen, you know, but
it was maybe from like other pro skaters, but you know,
it was not like from like companies or anything. I
would say, but you know, I wouldn't make it like
(26:17):
a race thing, like oh, it's so like diverse, but
certain things happen sometimes when you're in spaces and stuff,
and it wasn't like anything super catastrophic, but like, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Just wonder because I don't hear much about it, Like
you don't hear much about like with the NFL, there's
so much conversations and NBA don't I've never heard anything. Yeah,
skateboard m hm. You gotta rage against the machine.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, I mean I think that if there is like
skateboarding is so small that like even if there are
things that did happen, people don't really want to speak
up because skateboarding is like controlled by like the people,
the ogs, who had the market for so long. I
was like, if you come out and you're like maybe controversial,
(27:04):
then they could just like clip you.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And I love your hoodie because you know the Simpsons.
That's another reason I think the skateboarding so much because
of that any influence.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Nah, it was really just a video game. I don't know.
This was a gift from a friend. But yeah, I
never really watched the Simpsons, like a couple of episodes,
but yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like famous for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
How did you connect with Stephen Victim through a friend?
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I called a friend and I was like, I'm looking
for a Ferrari or like a sports car that I
want to jump over. I was like, I know your
friend has some. Do you think he would like let
me rent one from him and do it. He's like,
let me call you back, and I was like all right.
(27:57):
He called me back like immediately, and he was We
were on three way and he was like, so tell
him what you want to do and I was like, uh,
I want to like jump over your car with a skateboard.
Would you let me rent it. I'll like put some insurance,
like I'll put some money down in case something happens.
And he was like, nah, that's what insurance is for.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I was like all right, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And he's like he's like that sounds fire. Like let's
do it. Let's meet. And my friend had been coming
to New York because he was living in LA and
he was like, we're going to go to his office.
And then we came to his office and he was
he was like, so, what do you want to do again?
And I was like just telling him. Like he's like,
you think you could do it? I was like yeah,
(28:41):
I think so, like for sure. And then he's like
all right, we're going to set it up this week
and then like three days later we made it happen.
It was just something I wanted to do, like I
just have, you know, random ideas.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Like that wasn't a typical Ferrari because one a very
few to call a friend who gets Stephen Victor on
the phone about probably four million right now, it has
no top. It's it's one of those ones that there
is no fixing it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You fucked that up.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It's a rat But it was.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
But that's why you say. You make it sound like that.
But it was innocent. It wasn't like so premeditated, like
I wanted to do it, but I didn't know that
it was gonna be like that. You know what I'm saying,
Like I didn't know, not even just the car. I
didn't know that, like people would gravitate to it so crazy.
I thought, you know what I'm saying, but it resonates
you know exactly how I said, Like you don't know tricks,
but you know that car. You get what I'm saying.
(29:33):
So in your mind you like, oh shit, he just
jumped over a four million dollar car. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
The way I first saw it, I just thought it
was the car was parking.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You just did it roll.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Then when I found out that, I said, Steven is crazy. Yeah,
I don't know what he got too much money.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
For all that.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Basically, Stephen Victor, charge you ten to fifteen percent for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
We made up. We made a moment. You know, it's
trying to make more.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
We appreciate thank you for joining us. Thank you so much, man,
appreciate it. Thank you for having me, keeping couraging kids.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Man. And I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
You the only skateboarder I know right now, so I'm
gonna be watching you and in my mind you Tony Hawk.
So when I bring up skateboard now, I'm yeah, tas
Shawn jonesilling it out here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me. And
it's a real full circle moment. I'm not gonna I
watched Breakfast Club on YouTube, like I'll be on YouTube
when I go home and I watch you got stuff.
So I really appreciate you having me.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I was gonna bring a skateboard to see if you
could teach us all a trick, but we're too old
for that.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
We hurt.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
When I get hurt, me get back when I get this,
when I get the skate park, y'all come through.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Say no more.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's ta Shawn Jones.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Good morning, Wake that ass up in the morning. The
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