The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Vybz Kartel To Discuss Cultural Influence, Lessons From Prison, Meeting His Fiancé, Kings Of Dancehall. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Everybody is j n V jess hilarious, charlamage, the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest
in the building, indeed, the legendary Vibes Cartel. Welcome brother,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How you feeling? Man?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I feel like a million dollars right now?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Every time I walked through the airport the last two weeks,
everybody there, all the Caribbean people. You got to have
vibes on the Breakfast Club vibes going to be in
Brooklyn on April eleven, if you gotta have them on
the Breakfast on the building.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
All through the streets they knew you were coming, so
first and foremost. How does it feel to be back
here and being able to perform? How does that feel?
What is that feeling like?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I mean, it's a blessing, you know, and it's a
feeling of accomplishment because you know what I mean this
is these are the things that we have worked for
over the years. So to be here now and see
it actualize itself. Yeah, it feels like an accomplished you
know what I mean? Feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes, you sold out two shows at the ballplay immediately.
Did you ever did you think it would be like
that with like takeing places are like seven thousand for seats,
Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Of course. Like I said, I put the work in
what I mean, So everything is happening to me. I
deserve it. Man, God is the greatest, you know what
I mean. We work hard over the years. We built
a huge catalog, so you know what I mean. The
music speaks for itself as it relates to Dan Saul
and for me to represent the culture. So that was
no surprise. Man, my manager wanted to do a third night.
(01:26):
I'm not I'm forty nine, I'm not that you know
what I mean. I know by remember coming from prison,
I'm sick, you know what I mean. So that's why
that makes it more of a blessing, you know what
I mean to know that, you know, I mean coming
from prison thirteen years, still battling with my illness and
the love that the people show me. Man, if it's
(01:46):
not God, I don't know who it is.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, nobody wants to go to prison, but it
feels like prison made you larger than life. Like just
from a career, I agree with you. From a career perspective.
Do you think it preserved your legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It made it bigger?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, sorry, yeah, I think so. I think it did.
But like I said, everything happens for a purpose, you
know what I mean. And if God has a plan
for you, he has a plan for you if did
us work with it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So I look at it the opposite way though, because
I feel like people heard the music but couldn't see
the face. Like I felt like you would have been
an even bigger artist because they just couldn't touch you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Or if I was free, maybe I would have died
who knows, in a car accident or something. So you
got to just focus on what is right, you know
what I mean. And that's how I live my life.
Like it is what it is. I'm here. I did
thirteen years, but now I'm here and that's in my
rear view.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
During your time in prison, though you released a lot
of music, How was that managing your career even behind bars?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Like being in.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
There, I mean, like I said, I had to do it.
That was too easy, man, Like I always try to
find innovative ways to do what I do, and that
was just one of them. Like I had to do it.
People depending on me. I had a family to feed,
I had my career to maintain, so that's too easy.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
And even at we're being sick though that were there
are times where you just like, man, fuck this.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I couldn't do that. Like I said, I have
people depending on me, Like I couldn't slack off, you
know what I mean, Envy, you know you got kids,
You got kids, You can't slack off, man. So for me,
it was yeah, and my children are a big part
of my motivation, to my mother as well, and I
mean just family in general, so I couldn't. I didn't
have time for self pity or to be like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
But you were really sick though I was.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I guess I'm saying like, how did you fight, Like
just having a strength to fight through that and still
make music in all of that and keep your mental
where it needed to be to really commit to that
music so you can still be the ViBe's cartel and
deliver where people wanted to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And now I understand that's a good question too, because
in Jamaican prison, it's not like American prison. Jamaican prison
is real dungeon style, you know what I mean. No
toilets in the cells and crazy work, you know tole No,
you know how I got toilet in myself? When uh
Lisa Evers did that piece? Is it the special Yes,
(04:13):
that's when they put the toilet, installed the toilet in
What's Crazy Ship? Did you unintended?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So what they had you using before?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So you can read, but.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got you know, you put out so much music.
People assumed that you had a studio in prison because
it just the music didn't sound old. They always sound new.
It always sounds fresh. I mean, somebody passed away and
you be talking about him in the song. I'm just joking,
but you had something. Did you have a studio?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's no, I had a phone, the iPhone five s
that's the that's recorded like the Fever album, Nod, the
Viking album Yes I Keep You Not? Yeah, Man, five
as and a mattress and some prisoners looking out. That
was it. That was it, Man and Determination and God themself. Wow,
(05:07):
So that's it. Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy work.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Was there ever any time in that thirteen years, especially
when you started getting sick, that you was like.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Man, I don't know, I'm gonna make it out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah. Man, there were times I thought that I wouldn't
make it, but like I still had to put into work.
I still have to do what I had to do,
you know what I mean, Like it is what it is,
man Like if I die, at least I die trying.
I mean, because that's that's just my mindset, you know.
But yeah, there were times I was like I even
talked to my mother. I was like, Mom, she was like, no,
(05:37):
fight it, man, pray. So yeah, big up to my mother.
She's a blessing in my life as well.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And how did you How did you finally get out?
Because they were fighting to keep you in for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They were fighting appeals, anything that you tried. They were
fighting what was the one thing that says? What was
that turn?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean, you're right they wanted to keep me there forever.
But I mean I sent when the case went to England,
you know what I mean, because the thing is Jamaica,
and I don't want to There's a lot of people
in the system in Jamaica that support me as well,
but the system really just I think they wanted to
make an example, you know what I mean, out of
me because the case is clear card. Like I've always
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told my manager and my family. Bro, I'm coming out
once my case reaches England. I'm out and so said,
so done because it's an open short case. You messed
up here, You messed up here. This is wrong, This
is wrong. Freedom man.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Have they've apologized or said my bad, sorry anything.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't need apologies, sir, freedom to best the pology
exactly exactly. So I'm good man. I'm not looking back.
I'm not even suing. Hm hmm, yeah, no, I'm not that.
I'm not even pursuing. So no suing like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Why do you think they wanted to make an example
of you.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Because of my influence? You know what I mean? People
compare Cartel to Bob Marley and then people say, but
Bob Marley and Carr Hell do two different types of songs. Yes,
but the influence is the same. That's why you got shot.
That's why you have to leave your make at one point.
So that is you know, you know, the Caribbean country
to a third world country. It's a political charge atmosphere,
so influential people that they can't control is dangerous. So
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you know what I mean. But we're here still, man.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But you know the worst thing you can give a
person like that is time because now you're sitting there
and you being still and you really hearing God and
hearing what your purpose is exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Man, I prayed so much, man, like nobody can tell
me nothing, Charlotte. Man, don't come at me with no aism,
no rubbish, like that God is real and I'm living
testimony of that, man, trust me. So I feel blessed
every day.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
How how is your health now?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Work in progress? Yeah, definitely a work in progress. But
it was worse when I came out. My head was
this big a Pillsbury door. Boy, it's crazy, man, But
you were okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Can you describe the moment you were released? Like what
that emotion was.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm still prossing, I swear to you, man, because there
were times like I never lost faith. But when I
when they actually opened the gate, I was the last
one out of myself. I was just like, it's really
is am I dreaming right now? Like what the hell
is this? Had on my clothes on the full white
(08:27):
that you see me walk out, I didn't put my
shoes on it, and I just said a little prior
and I just walked out. Man. When I was walking
in the yard and all the prisoners were shaking the doors,
and it was it was like an earthquake, man, And
I'm not gonna lie. I shed a tear or two
(08:47):
y yeah, tears of joy, yeah yeah, And then I
just walked through the gate. But throughout my incarceration, I
never cried. I never felt sorry for myself. You know,
I just know that this is something that I have
to get through by the grace of God. Man, God, did.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What did God tell you to do?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, it's not tell you to do like, but when
you pray, you listen to that voice in her head,
in her heart, humble yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Chill mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know what I mean. I actually stopped smoking to man,
was like, like, I just listened to that divine voice
in my head, in my heart, and it just led
me to write to the right place. And I mean
I made a pact, a covenant with God in prison. Lord,
if you get me out of this, trust me. I
will never stop calling your name. I'll never stop being positive,
(09:38):
I never start spreading that message of love and happiness
and joy. And I'm doing that right now. And I
won't stop what I mean no till my last bread man, trust.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
What was the first thing you did when you got out?
Because I remember when.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You got.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
People were waiting for you to announce a show, like
everybody wanted to show one the music, but it took
you some time for that. So what were you doing,
poor girl?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I was in prison for years, sir, stop it
come on. But yeah, man, I was just chilling with family. Mostly,
like I said, my mother, my father, my kids, my grandchildren.
When I came out of prison, I had treat grandkids.
But when I was going in, I had babies, So
you know what I mean, thirteen years is a long time.
Trust me. For me right now, it was just God, family, music.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Who was your biggest allies when you were locked up?
Celebrity wise? I know, oh Buster Buster He always.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Said, easily spice, easily popcorn. You know what I mean
a lot of people don't she easily boom. I don't
even have to think my brother slash manager TJ. You
know what I mean? I Shanna, She came to visit
me several times because a lot of people are scared.
So it wasn't that they didn't want to come, but
(10:58):
just the stigma bsociated with Yeah. Yeah, So like spice,
I Sean and popcorn bust a rhyme. I gotta give
it a shout out to them, man, give them props.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
And relationships are tough, you know in general.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But what do you think major relationship with your fiance
work while serving a life sentence.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Because she believed, I mean she believed. I met her
in twenty fifteen, July twenty fifth, never forget. Yeah, I
mean we've been on and off. You know, I go,
she's in the free world. I'm in prison. She lived
in her life still whatever blah blah blah, but she
was always there. So in twenty twenty two, I decided,
like yo, Like I said, I started being more spiritual
with my faith in God. And I told her, I'm
(11:38):
like yo, I'm coming out, come to Jamaica. And she came.
She left everything to Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Who was she? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She was She's from London, oky oyoga. Yeah you bet
her on Instagram? I heard that, yes, sir, Wow, Wow,
that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
How could you trust that?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Though? They could have been catfish, I know, but like
I said, it was years at twenty fifteen. Yeah, you
know what I mean. And I was talking and every
now and then we spoke and we started speaking on
a regular basis, and yeah, so it took a while
for me to trust her. She actually came to Jamaica
the first time in twenty ninety. That's four years after
(12:13):
we were talking, just on the phone talking, you know
what I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Think, Okay, all right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
She came in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
You actually got to put the face to the end.
And she looked exactly like the pictures.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, she looked exactly before AI. So she couldn't okay,
but she came to visit me, and you know what
I mean, it was a vibe twenty two. I was like,
you know, coming come to Jamaica, come live. She was like,
oh you sure, she's British and I'm like, yes, come
and she came, and she did two years before where
(13:00):
I came out. So she came to visit me. Every
time there was a visit. If I was in a
bad mood sometime and I'd be like, yo, I don't
want to see nobody, she'd cry, or she would come
to the prison still and the guards would be like, hey,
Yeahance is outside, and I'm like, okay, I'll go, you
know what I mean. So, yeah, she's been there.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
How did you know she was the one?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Though?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Because you the world boss, you didn't been all around
you know she.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Was the one, you know. I mean, she's different. She
she don't into that hype stuff, you know, chill. Nothing
is wrong with the girls that are in the hype either.
You don't mean the school. But she's very humble, you
know what I mean. So even now when I come out,
I have to beg her to go shopping, you know,
buy some clothes, man, some were's something Louis do something,
I mean, And she when she goes shopping, she buys
(13:44):
stuff for me. Crazy Yeah, yeah, man, you I can't
sit down?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Is it easy for you to resist the temptation though?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
By being at you back on the road and you
out in the streets, I know the women coming after you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, and it's not gonna lie. I flirt with the
gladies five sky tell come on, man, nobody can't get
get out to them. Only she can get out herself
by messing up. But no girl on the planet can't
get her out of my life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, So she good now the late nineties in early
two thousands, dance hall was was crazy seems like it
slowed down a lot. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Because I was in prison, sir, But now I'm out
and we're doing stuff. But you know what, I don't
I wouldn't say it slowed down. I would say that
the concept changed, the lyrics changed to an extent beat change,
and it just kind of went that way. And then
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you know, afrobeat came out, the emergence of like reggae,
tonk became watch, you know what I mean. So I
think there are a lot of factors that contributed the
dance soul going through that lull. Yeah, but yeah, we're
back again, man, we're doing stuff. And I think this
new generation of artists I like them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Man, what do you like? What? What?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well? Jamal dun Sman like Pablo hite G, I mean,
chronic loss KILLI bangs, you know what I mean? And
you know Popcorn is like he's the king of that
little generation. So yeah, to me, they're doing stuff once
they learn to find you in their music, make it
more commercial, more palatable to guys like you and you
know the America North American market place. They're good. They're
(15:25):
they're good. You know what?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Because I agree with that because Spice is dance all
to me.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
That's why I listened to. Spice is the one man
she is.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And you know this how she puts her stuff together
like Americans like it. You like it the vibe. Once
they cracked that cold, they're good. Man.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What makes a person king of the dance hall?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Because that's what they say, they call vibes called king
of the dance Who qualify a person for that title?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You're dominant, your influence. It's not necessarily selling records because
I haven't sold records like Sean Paul. But if I
want through the streets of Jamaica and Sean Paul is
on the other side of the rod, he will go unnoticed.
I mean no disrespect as the influence that that larger
than life five that we bring. If I say, oh, Clarks,
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everybody were a cloud put on a tattooe. Everybody gets
that to you know what I mean, the dominance. And
I've been doing that since before I got arrested. I've
been people then calling me the king of dancer. But
you know what I mean, Like I said, kings come,
kings go, Presidents come, presidents go. Nothing is forever accept salvation.
So yeah, so I'm not really fighting for the crown
(16:33):
because the people gave it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Can it be more than one king? More people love
to say Beanie Man too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Of course it can be more than one king. Not
in our genre one, No, But that's what I'm saying.
Remember who was the king? Who was the king in
nineteen forty five? King George or something that nigga dead
and more kings come along. It's just life, That's what
(17:01):
I'm saying. You can't hold on to it forever. You
can't gate keep the crown. It's not yours to get.
It was never yours to gate keep. You do your time,
you move on. The new king is in town, sir,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Now, when you were locked up, verses was big, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, and be any bond to Versus is my favorite.
That's my favorite. I was in prison watching that, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Now, when you were watching that? Do you think I
would love to do a versus? Because yeah, it's a
very competitive and if you could, who would you want.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
To do on? Obviously come on obviously man, Yeah, big
Upada too, man, But yeah, that would be a crazy versus.
Obviously I would win, but he would.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, anybody catalog you were afraid of a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh got a big catalog, Yeah, no, not being there
a bounty killer, those guys, those those are in a
different class. Remember you know what I mean, A bound
to killer being there a lot in the nineties to
the early two thousands, and Cartail came out Elephant Man
as a nice catalog. It's not like a warrior artist. Yeah,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What's a warrior artists?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That? A car tell killer? I mean a massacre ready
to go at it right now? Yeah? So but no, no, no,
I think I have the biggest current catalog in dance
tall because it's relatively young's twenty three years. Yeah, you
know what I mean, lots of hits, especially in the
dance tall landscape. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is that missing in music though, like the fact that
you would you know, me coming up in queens and
DJing parties. I would come up and then if somebody,
let's say you were in the club or baby Sham's
in the club, but if they would just grab and
go at each other, yes, it wouldn't be physical, no,
it would be music. Yeah, that's what's missing in dance
hall especially.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think so too. And one of the reasons why
I think so too is because of the Internet. So
a lot of these young kids, they got their fame
from their bedroom. They made their ridden in their bedroom,
recording did it in there, They're their YouTube channel, put
it out. They can monitor this their ship on iTunes, whatever,
So they're not we on the other hand, we had
to go in the streets. We have to go to
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the studio. And I'm saying it was a more physical
thing for us, you know what I mean, in the
same way I remember back in the day when records
came out, you have to go to the record store.
Now you can just take up your phone and be
like yo, stream and stream. So that's why I think
they don't have that. They don't have the knock for
physical confrontation like we did. And by physical, I don't
mean like punching, even though sometimes that that does happen,
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but like to run up on a guy on stage. Now,
they're not going to do that.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I wasn't thinking nobody would do that, would Jamaicans anyway, But.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Other Jamaicans like, yeah, because I would like you you're
talking ship. When is his next shows? A showing at
the Breakfast club? We go in? Yeah, we run up.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So, yeah, have you done that to somebody, grabs somebody's mic?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Uh we Mavada during Me and Mavado. Yeah, he used
to run up on me a couple of times. I
ran upon him the last time I was in Saint Elizabeth.
That was crazy, which was then I got the concept
to do the door run sound because I had a
door run song before sting and then after Sting. Then
I was like, you know, because he ran off stage
two and he's related to you, saying both you know that?
(20:21):
But yeah, but ahead the time that yeah, it was
now in hindsight, I mean, I mean, I'm glad you
had that feud, man. It made us big, and you
know what I mean, It's spread dance all to places
like Africa, which at the time we were like, these
guys listen to us because you know, they don't showcase
that in the media. Then before the Internet where you
could just jump on your phone and see Africa for yourself. Yes,
(20:44):
So I think clashing is good, man, How.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Do y'all get the good terms after clashing? Good conversation?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The first time we had that conversation was when the
first time we had that conversation was the second time
the government stand for us in Jamaica because the ViBe's
carteime of other things was so big, school kids fighting,
people getting hurt. So we were just see there at
King's House which is where the politicians, and were like, yo,
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music brought us here, bro, like this is crazy. That's
when we started talking. And after that we still fielded,
but it was just more like on a controlled level,
like he would be like, yo, I dropped a song,
why don't you answer it? Like oh, and I didn't
hear it, And then I replied to it, and then
I would drop a song and he would reply. So
we kept it like that, and it culminated in us
(21:35):
doing the West Kingston show when he called me on
stage in West Kingstone with dust.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Oh that's smart. So y'all kind of like planned it out.
It was strategic and not in.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The beginning, That's what I'm saying. After we went to
the King's House where the government was, we was like
outside waiting to go in, and we were just talking
like do we get the kids? Man? Look you know
what I mean, looking at our music. He's doing it
brought us here, and then we just started like yo,
fuck this that's that's plan this, let's be strategic.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
When did you realize the influence that you had? Was
it moments like that when you got kids in school fighting,
you know, for your music?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like, when did you realize I have influence over a
whole generation?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean I've always realized that, but I never took
it as seriously as I should have, because then I
would have made maybe better choices. I don't know. But
with that being said, I still have no regrets. Yeah,
because my choice has led me here. I mean I've
been down some dark roads, but I'm still alive. Man,
(22:36):
I'm doing extremely well and God has blessed me. But yeah,
I've always realized that I had the influence.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I got a question, right, So my wife is Jamaican, right,
so I asked her we have artists some things, so
we look at it differently. So she was like, looking back, yes,
it was.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Is there a moment in your career you wish you
handled differently at all? Or like you just said, do
you have no regrets? Is there anything that you said
I should have done differently?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I mean not really. I mean, let me see, should
have done differently when I I think maybe when I
I don't know when I hit an ninja man with
the mic on stage. I don't know, but because that's
what I'm saying, everything that I've done, it's still even
if it brought me down, when I came up, I
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came up higher. So I don't like that word regret. Man.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I don't know, because if you believe in God, you
really got to believe everything happened for a reason. Even
if it was just your own poor choice still got
you close to the God because God got you through.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Nothing I would do different.
Maybe with a ninja man thing, maybe I wouldn't have
punched it. Maybe I would have just kicked it. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Something that something in the public that's funny though, because
he like he had to get it something out.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Kick don't change history. What I'm saying, you're gonna mess
it up for all of us. Go back in time
and talk right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
What's something the public completely misunderstands about vibes.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm a fun guy, m I mean, I like to vibe.
I'd like to have fun. Like if you don't know me,
especially then it like and if you approach me wrong,
obviously I'm going to react. But if I'm comfortable around people.
We're cool, man, we vibe it. Yeah. So a lot
of people really they think I'm just it's evil personal
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when I'm not.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I mean, so now your lyricism is layer with double
meanings and coded language at times. Yes, how intentional is that?
Do you write for interpretation or expression both?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, music is art man, So at the end
of the day, we're poets. Man. All you see you
on stage clashing each other, singing those violent lyrics, it's
still poetry. So it has to be done artistically. It
has to be done a specific way to get a
desired result. Otherwise you're just chatting ship. I mean, you're
just talking. Yeah, so we do both.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What fuels the creativity now?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now be could I know you you said when you
was locked up, you know it was just your desire
to work and feed your family that fueleded What fuels
it now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Is it pain? Is it purpose?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean purpose? Thank you for that thought of it?
Like that purpose, I would say, because God is purpose.
God is ultimate purpose, you know what I mean? So
I think purpose pushes me, like I still record even
though I don't have to, I still record five six
songs and I'm in the studio, back and back and
still we're in the studio party and girls are there,
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we're drinking, me smoking. I still knock out five songs,
seven songs. So yeah, yeah, I love this, you know.
I do this from the heart, man, and I do
it for the culture too.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Definitely one of your biggest records, Romp and Shot. Yes,
did you ever get that clean? Or was it you
just so you never got paid off it that you
just threw it out and it just did what it did.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I got paid. Come on, that song is under my
That song put me on another level globally again because,
like I said, it's the same Clarks did it summertime?
Did it fever? Did it? You have some songs that
you get those songs, it's like up another echelon, right,
you're just going up. So yeah, of course, man, that
that song was crazy. We actually wanted to try to
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see if we could get it cleared now and do
like maybe a twelve year anniversary fifteen ye or whatever.
But yeah, that song was crazy. But I didn't get
it cleared. But in Neo's defense, he.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Didn't see you.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
He couldn't clear it. Like he's remember the rhythm, you know,
the thing go publishing, and you made the beat, but
he's the rapper. But you know what I mean. So
people think, oh, why didn't Envy clear the song? But
you owned the brides to the Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Now, also when you perform back in the late nineties
in early two thousand, there was terms and words that
you could say that you cannot say anymore or they
will try to cancel it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh no, the nineties kind of back a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You remember to getting a rapper shop?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I mean, yeah, take it right out, ramping shop. Shit,
that was explicit. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Man, playing for the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Is explicit, as is very intolerant, which I think is
changing now still because the world is changing. So you've
got to be mindful of what you say.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, there's certain songs you don't do because of that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Are you just I won't do there's certain songs.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I won't do. Yeah? Hell yeah, I mean come on,
that's like saying, oh, slavery was good, let's bring it back. No,
we're not. So we're not going to sing certain songs.
You're not gonna you know what I mean, come on,
it's it's distasteful, Yes, distasteful. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And also, I'm sure over time you've probably seen gaut
to gall and it looked beautiful together to gather. Don't
got to got to gather look beautiful together.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, I don't judge and I don't look. I'm
I'm is what I'm saying. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Another question the wife had is are you going to
marry your fiance? It's been a while now.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's usually how it works, You usually marry your fiance. Okay,
this is the thing. I came out July thirty first. Yes,
they're the biggest concert in Jamaica history. December thirty first,
got my US visa January thirty first. Yeah, so I
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wanted to get married February thirty first. It turns out
he doesn't have a thirty first.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You did that on prof you know, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Get married? No, because I've been so busy all over
the place. We have to planet Oau. You know, her
family is big, mine is big. But they know mis like,
she's right here. I left her. I don't leave her nowhere.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She's not my good luck chime out in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, exactly right. She balances me, she calms me, man,
So yeah, she good.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
How was that. How was that big show that you
did in Jamaica.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, over thirty five some pre crazy. That show was
a sea of people just as far as I can see.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Was it overwhelming for you?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Man, too easy for me, Like I said, I put
in the work and I know I deserve it. So
for me like no, nervous, no nothing. We just you
saw why I came out of the pit because we
did that to It's like art was in the dungeon.
So I'm coming up now out of the pit of hell.
That's what's the concept for me, coming out from under
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the stage. Man, I work for that. I deserve it.
Thank you God, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Let me ask you a question about Jamaican culture. It
seems like bleaching your skin is becoming more popular now,
Like what is the fascination with that?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I think it has to do with, you know, the
usual issue self hate, the history of colonialism, colorism, it's
all that, you know what I mean. And like we
I were speaking to, I don't remember who I was
speaking to, because even in like places like Asia, skin
bleaching is a big thing too. And it has to
do with that Stockholm syndrome. Because if you think about it.
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Who in Asia bleaches the most. It's the North sorry,
the South Koreans and the Japanese that americanized kind of European.
They weren't that you were centric, look is what I'm saying.
And black people have always had that problem. I mean,
I would never bleach again personally, you know what I mean,
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because I'm mature enough to know that. Yo, fuck that.
I definitely think it has to do with self hate
or self lack of self confidence as a race, because
when I was bleaching, like I literally looked in the
mirror and I thought I looked better being light skin,
you know what I mean. So it took a time
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for me to man, fuck that.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So it was a cosmetic thing when you did it, Yes, definitely,
but I would never do.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
That again, man, And I'm glad. I'm very very glad
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But even though on Love and Hip Hop Spice Spice,
she it was a mess. It was a bigger message
that she was trying to convey and it was exactly
what you were saying. She's like, man, this this is
different in America than it is back But like, you
don't get certain things if you're not a fairer skin,
you know, and people here because love and hip hop
is American people was.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Looking at spices like what the hell? Like, why would
you know?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Black skin is beautiful always, you know what I mean? So,
but now I totally do get what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
It is totally different.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Culturally, Yeah, trust me, because we only have blacks in Jamaica. Yeah,
so for us, it's not racism. It's colorism. Like the
lights that skin you are, it's like climb social it's
crazy work.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Was it a woman? Was it a woman that encouraged
you to do it?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh? No, it's just a bunch of us as you
know what I mean, does Jamaica?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
One point was yeah, I mean, so did you have
any effects after that?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Like long term because you were doing it for a while, Like.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Term effects? Just some fucking pictures that I don't want
to look at.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
They used to say I was bleaching, and they would
always send me pictures of you and have me side
by side.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
You know you were he was ugly and then he
was cute and no, damn no, he had a whole face.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
God metic surgery.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I don't know, I know, tell him the truth, Michael,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Have polyms in my nose. I would snore a lot
and couldn't, so they removed the polymps. I didn't touch
my nose. My nose is the same, Michael.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You still get.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Nervous when you perform.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
What's nervous? Is it soul? That was that it tastes?
Is it contagious?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
M don't We don't do None of us know that.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We don't do that. No, like I said, and plus
like I said, I was raised in a family of
people that love music. My uncles used to try to
be DJs, not DJ's like like me DJ Jamaican rapper. Yeah. Yeah,
so I grew up always wanting to get the microphone,
you know what I mean. I grew up wanting to
go on stage.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So no, as it relates to music, no nervousness. I'd
be more nervous like going in the bank or something,
or walking through the airport or you know what I mean? No, no, no, no, no,
that's too easy.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Was not at all.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
How was Jamaica for you? Is you make a safe
space for vibe culture?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Of course not?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Do you stay there primarily?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Or I live here, sir?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Oh okay okay, I live in Florida got you got
your I mean, I did thirteen years in prison. Why
would I But I wrecked my country right through. I
wrecked my culture all the way every day one the
odd man bumbo clad?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Can I say that?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah? Is it the government or the people that makes
you be like? Okay, let me stay, let me, let
me keep my distance from nah.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I just want to like I spent thirteen years, Like seriously,
that's not a joe, Like I need to go out
now like I'm working. Yeah, Yeah, Florida is good because
it's a home. You can come to New York. You
can just go across the Atlantic, England, go west during
la you know what I mean. So it's just a
nice place to be geographically, I can just move.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Do you like to go back to those areas that
you grew up on? Like drive through Brooklyn in America?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Want so hard?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
No, No, I'm not going back. But like in Brooklyn,
I mean like areas in Brooklyn brown exact white planes
rode back in the day twenty fist, yes, do you
go by?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
No, sir, don't you know what I mean? But seriously,
why I'm just staying out of trouble. I don't want
to be involved in nothing negative. Mm hmm. Never Yeah,
so we stay away from that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah has has has you?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Mister Palm will become a ever become a prisoner above cartel?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like how do you remind yoursel.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
All the time, all the time? And it's crazy, like
it's it's it's conflicting, but it's whatever, man, Vibescartell is
why I am. I have the things that I have,
and I can take care of my family. I work sacrifice,
you know what I mean? But sometimes some days I
(35:46):
wish I could just walk, man, just walk with my
grand chods on the road and just well buy some
ice cream and chili that mm hmm. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what keeps you grounded? What keeps you reminding yourself
of who you?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Who you are?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not the character of the Vibe Cartel.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I used to buy into the character mm hmmmm, because
we grew up rough, We grew up in more so,
grew up tough two point oh. But you know, I
just what keeps grounding the family? Like I said, my kids,
the new lease that God has given me keep me
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grounded and messing that up for nobody. M hm.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Well, the album is streaming right now. New album you
want to hear something of the new album.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, I did the album, sir, the people right now?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Can I make a request, though, you need to do
a comedy movie, Jamaican comedy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
We already get a Jamaican gang bang shooting.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Up comedy or horror film. I always thought about that.
There's no Jamaican horror film, even though as African descent,
as we have a lot of us, we call them
dumpy story Oh yeah, yeah, yeah we don't. I think
we need to capitalize on that more.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
But yeah, you believe in mhm.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I was going to say something very disrespectful about it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
No, I don't, I don't believe you don't.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Believe it goes? Come on, artist, Yeah, I know you was.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean, of course that's the
spirit is the spirit. Remember you have good spirit, you
have bad spirit? You know what I mean? Good spirits?
Right now?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's right. What about mermaids? Did y'all ever see mermaidsaid?
Because I always hear no for real, because.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That's the things I'm talking about. In Jamaica, we call
them river mains because we have a lot of references. Yeah,
so stories that the river mains put the golden table
up and people would see it and dive in and
then they will pull you down in the water. Yeah,
we grew up on all those stories in Calves. That's
the spirits of butchers. No, yeah, at night with the
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cow chain and it's.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Crazy, man like like the Jamaican Texas change exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Without the Texas and without the change, it's no budget.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Have you seen a river maybe before? Have you seen
a river made before?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
No, but I've seen lots of duppies ghost like, yeah,
no joke, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's
not about belief, you know, you know, you know, you
know what I mean. You couldn't have God. You believe
in the God. You have to accept that the devil
is exist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, so you got you got plans to write any
films anything like that?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, definitely. I'd love to do a film about my life.
I mean not just not my entire life. So it's
maybe like the prison part.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, after I.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Die, someone else can do the full life ship. I
have no time for that. I'm living. I'm living now. Yeah,
my kids can do that when I'm gone, you know
what I mean. So yeah, but definitely movies. Man, I
love entertainment. I love movies.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, you got a sense of him. You're very fun.
Definitely a vibe there you go.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I'm gonna I'm gonna try this again.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Vibes.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
What song do you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
For the people?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
I want to hit port Flip.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I want to said, let's get into porn floor right now.
It's weekend. You should have your tickets already. If not,
it's sold out, you're gonna have to go to step
Hub and pay grands and grands and grands for it.
But definitely check them out. And we appreciate you for
joining us anytime.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Pull up. Yeah, I'm a big up Sharlie man, big
up your envy, big up. Yes, where's Angela?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
She got her own show on after Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Okay she should be Yeah, okay, okay, big up Angela.
Yeah that's what you know. God is the great task.
That's right we are.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's vibes, Car tell you wake til ass up in
the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Everybody is j n V jess hilarious, charlamage, the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest
in the building, indeed, the legendary Vibes Cartel. Welcome brother,
what's up?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
How you feeling? Man?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I feel like a million dollars right now?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Every time I walked through the airport the last two weeks,
everybody there, all the Caribbean people. You got to have
vibes on the Breakfast Club vibes going to be in
Brooklyn on April eleven, if you gotta have them on
the Breakfast on the building.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
All through the streets they knew you were coming, so
first and foremost. How does it feel to be back
here and being able to perform? How does that feel?
What is that feeling like?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I mean, it's a blessing, you know, and it's a
feeling of accomplishment because you know what I mean this
is these are the things that we have worked for
over the years. So to be here now and see
it actualize itself. Yeah, it feels like an accomplished you
know what I mean? Feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes, you sold out two shows at the ballplay immediately.
Did you ever did you think it would be like
that with like takeing places are like seven thousand for seats,
Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Of course. Like I said, I put the work in
what I mean, So everything is happening to me. I
deserve it. Man, God is the greatest, you know what
I mean. We work hard over the years. We built
a huge catalog, so you know what I mean. The
music speaks for itself as it relates to Dan Saul
and for me to represent the culture. So that was
no surprise. Man, my manager wanted to do a third night.
(01:26):
I'm not I'm forty nine, I'm not that you know
what I mean. I know by remember coming from prison,
I'm sick, you know what I mean. So that's why
that makes it more of a blessing, you know what
I mean to know that, you know, I mean coming
from prison thirteen years, still battling with my illness and
the love that the people show me. Man, if it's
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not God, I don't know who it is.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know, nobody wants to go to prison, but it
feels like prison made you larger than life. Like just
from a career, I agree with you. From a career perspective.
Do you think it preserved your legacy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It made it bigger?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, sorry, yeah, I think so. I think it did.
But like I said, everything happens for a purpose, you
know what I mean. And if God has a plan
for you, he has a plan for you if did
us work with it.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So I look at it the opposite way though, because
I feel like people heard the music but couldn't see
the face. Like I felt like you would have been
an even bigger artist because they just couldn't touch you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Or if I was free, maybe I would have died
who knows, in a car accident or something. So you
got to just focus on what is right, you know
what I mean. And that's how I live my life.
Like it is what it is. I'm here. I did
thirteen years, but now I'm here and that's in my
rear view.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
During your time in prison, though you released a lot
of music, How was that managing your career even behind bars?
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Like being in.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
There, I mean, like I said, I had to do it.
That was too easy, man, Like I always try to
find innovative ways to do what I do, and that
was just one of them. Like I had to do it.
People depending on me. I had a family to feed,
I had my career to maintain, so that's too easy.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
And even at we're being sick though that were there
are times where you just like, man, fuck this.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
No, I couldn't do that. Like I said, I have
people depending on me, Like I couldn't slack off, you
know what I mean, Envy, you know you got kids,
You got kids, You can't slack off, man. So for me,
it was yeah, and my children are a big part
of my motivation, to my mother as well, and I
mean just family in general, so I couldn't. I didn't
have time for self pity or to be like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
But you were really sick though I was.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I guess I'm saying like, how did you fight, Like
just having a strength to fight through that and still
make music in all of that and keep your mental
where it needed to be to really commit to that
music so you can still be the ViBe's cartel and
deliver where people wanted to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And now I understand that's a good question too, because
in Jamaican prison, it's not like American prison. Jamaican prison
is real dungeon style, you know what I mean. No
toilets in the cells and crazy work, you know tole No,
you know how I got toilet in myself? When uh
Lisa Evers did that piece? Is it the special Yes,
(04:13):
that's when they put the toilet, installed the toilet in
What's Crazy Ship? Did you unintended?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So what they had you using before?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So you can read, but.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got you know, you put out so much music.
People assumed that you had a studio in prison because
it just the music didn't sound old. They always sound new.
It always sounds fresh. I mean, somebody passed away and
you be talking about him in the song. I'm just joking,
but you had something. Did you have a studio?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's no, I had a phone, the iPhone five s
that's the that's recorded like the Fever album, Nod, the
Viking album Yes I Keep You Not? Yeah, Man, five
as and a mattress and some prisoners looking out. That
was it. That was it, Man and Determination and God themself. Wow,
(05:07):
So that's it. Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy work.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Was there ever any time in that thirteen years, especially
when you started getting sick, that you was like.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Man, I don't know, I'm gonna make it out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah. Man, there were times I thought that I wouldn't
make it, but like I still had to put into work.
I still have to do what I had to do,
you know what I mean, Like it is what it is,
man Like if I die, at least I die trying.
I mean, because that's that's just my mindset, you know.
But yeah, there were times I was like I even
talked to my mother. I was like, Mom, she was like, no,
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fight it, man, pray. So yeah, big up to my mother.
She's a blessing in my life as well.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And how did you How did you finally get out?
Because they were fighting to keep you in for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
They weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They were fighting appeals, anything that you tried. They were
fighting what was the one thing that says? What was
that turn?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I mean, you're right they wanted to keep me there forever.
But I mean I sent when the case went to England,
you know what I mean, because the thing is Jamaica,
and I don't want to There's a lot of people
in the system in Jamaica that support me as well,
but the system really just I think they wanted to
make an example, you know what I mean, out of
me because the case is clear card. Like I've always
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told my manager and my family. Bro, I'm coming out
once my case reaches England. I'm out and so said,
so done because it's an open short case. You messed
up here, You messed up here. This is wrong, This
is wrong. Freedom man.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Have they've apologized or said my bad, sorry anything.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't need apologies, sir, freedom to best the pology
exactly exactly. So I'm good man. I'm not looking back.
I'm not even suing. Hm hmm, yeah, no, I'm not that.
I'm not even pursuing. So no suing like that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Why do you think they wanted to make an example
of you.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Because of my influence? You know what I mean? People
compare Cartel to Bob Marley and then people say, but
Bob Marley and Carr Hell do two different types of songs. Yes,
but the influence is the same. That's why you got shot.
That's why you have to leave your make at one point.
So that is you know, you know, the Caribbean country
to a third world country. It's a political charge atmosphere,
so influential people that they can't control is dangerous. So
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you know what I mean. But we're here still, man.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But you know the worst thing you can give a
person like that is time because now you're sitting there
and you being still and you really hearing God and
hearing what your purpose is exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Man, I prayed so much, man, like nobody can tell
me nothing, Charlotte. Man, don't come at me with no aism,
no rubbish, like that God is real and I'm living
testimony of that, man, trust me. So I feel blessed
every day.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
How how is your health now?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Work in progress? Yeah, definitely a work in progress. But
it was worse when I came out. My head was
this big a Pillsbury door. Boy, it's crazy, man, But
you were okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Can you describe the moment you were released? Like what
that emotion was.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm still prossing, I swear to you, man, because there
were times like I never lost faith. But when I
when they actually opened the gate, I was the last
one out of myself. I was just like, it's really
is am I dreaming right now? Like what the hell
is this? Had on my clothes on the full white
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that you see me walk out, I didn't put my
shoes on it, and I just said a little prior
and I just walked out. Man. When I was walking
in the yard and all the prisoners were shaking the doors,
and it was it was like an earthquake, man, And
I'm not gonna lie. I shed a tear or two
(08:47):
y yeah, tears of joy, yeah yeah, And then I
just walked through the gate. But throughout my incarceration, I
never cried. I never felt sorry for myself. You know,
I just know that this is something that I have
to get through by the grace of God. Man, God, did.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
What did God tell you to do?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No, it's not tell you to do like, but when
you pray, you listen to that voice in her head,
in her heart, humble yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Chill mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You know what I mean. I actually stopped smoking to man,
was like, like, I just listened to that divine voice
in my head, in my heart, and it just led
me to write to the right place. And I mean
I made a pact, a covenant with God in prison. Lord,
if you get me out of this, trust me. I
will never stop calling your name. I'll never stop being positive,
(09:38):
I never start spreading that message of love and happiness
and joy. And I'm doing that right now. And I
won't stop what I mean no till my last bread man, trust.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
What was the first thing you did when you got out?
Because I remember when.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You got.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
People were waiting for you to announce a show, like
everybody wanted to show one the music, but it took
you some time for that. So what were you doing,
poor girl?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I was in prison for years, sir, stop it
come on. But yeah, man, I was just chilling with family. Mostly,
like I said, my mother, my father, my kids, my grandchildren.
When I came out of prison, I had treat grandkids.
But when I was going in, I had babies, So
you know what I mean, thirteen years is a long time.
Trust me. For me right now, it was just God, family, music.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Who was your biggest allies when you were locked up?
Celebrity wise? I know, oh Buster Buster He always.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Said, easily spice, easily popcorn. You know what I mean
a lot of people don't she easily boom. I don't
even have to think my brother slash manager TJ. You
know what I mean? I Shanna, She came to visit
me several times because a lot of people are scared.
So it wasn't that they didn't want to come, but
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just the stigma bsociated with Yeah. Yeah, So like spice,
I Sean and popcorn bust a rhyme. I gotta give
it a shout out to them, man, give them props.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
And relationships are tough, you know in general.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
But what do you think major relationship with your fiance
work while serving a life sentence.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Because she believed, I mean she believed. I met her
in twenty fifteen, July twenty fifth, never forget. Yeah, I
mean we've been on and off. You know, I go,
she's in the free world. I'm in prison. She lived
in her life still whatever blah blah blah, but she
was always there. So in twenty twenty two, I decided,
like yo, Like I said, I started being more spiritual
with my faith in God. And I told her, I'm
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like yo, I'm coming out, come to Jamaica. And she came.
She left everything to Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Who was she? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
She was She's from London, oky oyoga. Yeah you bet
her on Instagram? I heard that, yes, sir, Wow, Wow,
that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
How could you trust that?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Though? They could have been catfish, I know, but like
I said, it was years at twenty fifteen. Yeah, you
know what I mean. And I was talking and every
now and then we spoke and we started speaking on
a regular basis, and yeah, so it took a while
for me to trust her. She actually came to Jamaica
the first time in twenty ninety. That's four years after
(12:13):
we were talking, just on the phone talking, you know
what I mean, I.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
Think, Okay, all right, we got it.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
She came in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
You actually got to put the face to the end.
And she looked exactly like the pictures.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, she looked exactly before AI. So she couldn't okay,
but she came to visit me, and you know what
I mean, it was a vibe twenty two. I was like,
you know, coming come to Jamaica, come live. She was like,
oh you sure, she's British and I'm like, yes, come
and she came, and she did two years before where
(13:00):
I came out. So she came to visit me. Every
time there was a visit. If I was in a
bad mood sometime and I'd be like, yo, I don't
want to see nobody, she'd cry, or she would come
to the prison still and the guards would be like, hey,
Yeahance is outside, and I'm like, okay, I'll go, you
know what I mean. So, yeah, she's been there.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
How did you know she was the one?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Though?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Because you the world boss, you didn't been all around
you know she.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Was the one, you know. I mean, she's different. She
she don't into that hype stuff, you know, chill. Nothing
is wrong with the girls that are in the hype either.
You don't mean the school. But she's very humble, you
know what I mean. So even now when I come out,
I have to beg her to go shopping, you know,
buy some clothes, man, some were's something Louis do something,
I mean, And she when she goes shopping, she buys
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stuff for me. Crazy Yeah, yeah, man, you I can't
sit down?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Is it easy for you to resist the temptation though?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
By being at you back on the road and you
out in the streets, I know the women coming after you.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, and it's not gonna lie. I flirt with the
gladies five sky tell come on, man, nobody can't get
get out to them. Only she can get out herself
by messing up. But no girl on the planet can't
get her out of my life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, So she good now the late nineties in early
two thousands, dance hall was was crazy seems like it
slowed down a lot. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Because I was in prison, sir, But now I'm out
and we're doing stuff. But you know what, I don't
I wouldn't say it slowed down. I would say that
the concept changed, the lyrics changed to an extent beat change,
and it just kind of went that way. And then
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you know, afrobeat came out, the emergence of like reggae,
tonk became watch, you know what I mean. So I
think there are a lot of factors that contributed the
dance soul going through that lull. Yeah, but yeah, we're
back again, man, we're doing stuff. And I think this
new generation of artists I like them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Man, what do you like? What? What?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well? Jamal dun Sman like Pablo hite G, I mean,
chronic loss KILLI bangs, you know what I mean? And
you know Popcorn is like he's the king of that
little generation. So yeah, to me, they're doing stuff once
they learn to find you in their music, make it
more commercial, more palatable to guys like you and you
know the America North American market place. They're good. They're
(15:25):
they're good. You know what?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Because I agree with that because Spice is dance all
to me.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
That's why I listened to. Spice is the one man
she is.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And you know this how she puts her stuff together
like Americans like it. You like it the vibe. Once
they cracked that cold, they're good. Man.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What makes a person king of the dance hall?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Because that's what they say, they call vibes called king
of the dance Who qualify a person for that title?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You're dominant, your influence. It's not necessarily selling records because
I haven't sold records like Sean Paul. But if I
want through the streets of Jamaica and Sean Paul is
on the other side of the rod, he will go unnoticed.
I mean no disrespect as the influence that that larger
than life five that we bring. If I say, oh, Clarks,
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everybody were a cloud put on a tattooe. Everybody gets
that to you know what I mean, the dominance. And
I've been doing that since before I got arrested. I've
been people then calling me the king of dancer. But
you know what I mean, Like I said, kings come,
kings go, Presidents come, presidents go. Nothing is forever accept salvation.
So yeah, so I'm not really fighting for the crown
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because the people gave it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Can it be more than one king? More people love
to say Beanie Man too.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Of course it can be more than one king. Not
in our genre one, No, But that's what I'm saying.
Remember who was the king? Who was the king in
nineteen forty five? King George or something that nigga dead
and more kings come along. It's just life, That's what
(17:01):
I'm saying. You can't hold on to it forever. You
can't gate keep the crown. It's not yours to get.
It was never yours to gate keep. You do your time,
you move on. The new king is in town, sir,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Now, when you were locked up, verses was big, right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, and be any bond to Versus is my favorite.
That's my favorite. I was in prison watching that, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Now, when you were watching that? Do you think I
would love to do a versus? Because yeah, it's a
very competitive and if you could, who would you want.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
To do on? Obviously come on obviously man, Yeah, big
Upada too, man, But yeah, that would be a crazy versus.
Obviously I would win, but he would.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, anybody catalog you were afraid of a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh got a big catalog, Yeah, no, not being there
a bounty killer, those guys, those those are in a
different class. Remember you know what I mean, A bound
to killer being there a lot in the nineties to
the early two thousands, and Cartail came out Elephant Man
as a nice catalog. It's not like a warrior artist. Yeah,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What's a warrior artists?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That? A car tell killer? I mean a massacre ready
to go at it right now? Yeah? So but no, no, no,
I think I have the biggest current catalog in dance
tall because it's relatively young's twenty three years. Yeah, you
know what I mean, lots of hits, especially in the
dance tall landscape. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Is that missing in music though, like the fact that
you would you know, me coming up in queens and
DJing parties. I would come up and then if somebody,
let's say you were in the club or baby Sham's
in the club, but if they would just grab and
go at each other, yes, it wouldn't be physical, no,
it would be music. Yeah, that's what's missing in dance
hall especially.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think so too. And one of the reasons why
I think so too is because of the Internet. So
a lot of these young kids, they got their fame
from their bedroom. They made their ridden in their bedroom,
recording did it in there, They're their YouTube channel, put
it out. They can monitor this their ship on iTunes, whatever,
So they're not we on the other hand, we had
to go in the streets. We have to go to
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the studio. And I'm saying it was a more physical
thing for us, you know what I mean, in the
same way I remember back in the day when records
came out, you have to go to the record store.
Now you can just take up your phone and be
like yo, stream and stream. So that's why I think
they don't have that. They don't have the knock for
physical confrontation like we did. And by physical, I don't
mean like punching, even though sometimes that that does happen,
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but like to run up on a guy on stage. Now,
they're not going to do that.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I wasn't thinking nobody would do that, would Jamaicans anyway, But.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Other Jamaicans like, yeah, because I would like you you're
talking ship. When is his next shows? A showing at
the Breakfast club? We go in? Yeah, we run up.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So, yeah, have you done that to somebody, grabs somebody's mic?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Uh we Mavada during Me and Mavado. Yeah, he used
to run up on me a couple of times. I
ran upon him the last time I was in Saint Elizabeth.
That was crazy, which was then I got the concept
to do the door run sound because I had a
door run song before sting and then after Sting. Then
I was like, you know, because he ran off stage
two and he's related to you, saying both you know that?
(20:21):
But yeah, but ahead the time that yeah, it was
now in hindsight, I mean, I mean, I'm glad you
had that feud, man. It made us big, and you
know what I mean, It's spread dance all to places
like Africa, which at the time we were like, these
guys listen to us because you know, they don't showcase
that in the media. Then before the Internet where you
could just jump on your phone and see Africa for yourself. Yes,
(20:44):
So I think clashing is good, man, How.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Do y'all get the good terms after clashing? Good conversation?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The first time we had that conversation was when the
first time we had that conversation was the second time
the government stand for us in Jamaica because the ViBe's
carteime of other things was so big, school kids fighting,
people getting hurt. So we were just see there at
King's House which is where the politicians, and were like, yo,
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music brought us here, bro, like this is crazy. That's
when we started talking. And after that we still fielded,
but it was just more like on a controlled level,
like he would be like, yo, I dropped a song,
why don't you answer it? Like oh, and I didn't
hear it, And then I replied to it, and then
I would drop a song and he would reply. So
we kept it like that, and it culminated in us
(21:35):
doing the West Kingston show when he called me on
stage in West Kingstone with dust.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Oh that's smart. So y'all kind of like planned it out.
It was strategic and not in.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
The beginning, That's what I'm saying. After we went to
the King's House where the government was, we was like
outside waiting to go in, and we were just talking
like do we get the kids? Man? Look you know
what I mean, looking at our music. He's doing it
brought us here, and then we just started like yo,
fuck this that's that's plan this, let's be strategic.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
When did you realize the influence that you had? Was
it moments like that when you got kids in school fighting,
you know, for your music?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Like, when did you realize I have influence over a
whole generation?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I mean I've always realized that, but I never took
it as seriously as I should have, because then I
would have made maybe better choices. I don't know. But
with that being said, I still have no regrets. Yeah,
because my choice has led me here. I mean I've
been down some dark roads, but I'm still alive. Man,
(22:36):
I'm doing extremely well and God has blessed me. But yeah,
I've always realized that I had the influence.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I got a question, right, So my wife is Jamaican, right,
so I asked her we have artists some things, so
we look at it differently. So she was like, looking back, yes,
it was.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
There.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Is there a moment in your career you wish you
handled differently at all? Or like you just said, do
you have no regrets? Is there anything that you said
I should have done differently?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I mean not really. I mean, let me see, should
have done differently when I I think maybe when I
I don't know when I hit an ninja man with
the mic on stage. I don't know, but because that's
what I'm saying, everything that I've done, it's still even
if it brought me down, when I came up, I
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came up higher. So I don't like that word regret. Man.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
I don't know, because if you believe in God, you
really got to believe everything happened for a reason. Even
if it was just your own poor choice still got
you close to the God because God got you through.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Nothing I would do different.
Maybe with a ninja man thing, maybe I wouldn't have
punched it. Maybe I would have just kicked it. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Something that something in the public that's funny though, because
he like he had to get it something out.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Kick don't change history. What I'm saying, you're gonna mess
it up for all of us. Go back in time
and talk right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
What's something the public completely misunderstands about vibes.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm a fun guy, m I mean, I like to vibe.
I'd like to have fun. Like if you don't know me,
especially then it like and if you approach me wrong,
obviously I'm going to react. But if I'm comfortable around people.
We're cool, man, we vibe it. Yeah. So a lot
of people really they think I'm just it's evil personal
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when I'm not.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I mean, so now your lyricism is layer with double
meanings and coded language at times. Yes, how intentional is that?
Do you write for interpretation or expression both?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I mean, music is art man, So at the end
of the day, we're poets. Man. All you see you
on stage clashing each other, singing those violent lyrics, it's
still poetry. So it has to be done artistically. It
has to be done a specific way to get a
desired result. Otherwise you're just chatting ship. I mean, you're
just talking. Yeah, so we do both.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What fuels the creativity now?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now be could I know you you said when you
was locked up, you know it was just your desire
to work and feed your family that fueleded What fuels
it now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Is it pain? Is it purpose?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I mean purpose? Thank you for that thought of it?
Like that purpose, I would say, because God is purpose.
God is ultimate purpose, you know what I mean? So
I think purpose pushes me, like I still record even
though I don't have to, I still record five six
songs and I'm in the studio, back and back and
still we're in the studio party and girls are there,
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we're drinking, me smoking. I still knock out five songs,
seven songs. So yeah, yeah, I love this, you know.
I do this from the heart, man, and I do
it for the culture too.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Definitely one of your biggest records, Romp and Shot. Yes,
did you ever get that clean? Or was it you
just so you never got paid off it that you
just threw it out and it just did what it did.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I got paid. Come on, that song is under my
That song put me on another level globally again because,
like I said, it's the same Clarks did it summertime?
Did it fever? Did it? You have some songs that
you get those songs, it's like up another echelon, right,
you're just going up. So yeah, of course, man, that
that song was crazy. We actually wanted to try to
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see if we could get it cleared now and do
like maybe a twelve year anniversary fifteen ye or whatever.
But yeah, that song was crazy. But I didn't get
it cleared. But in Neo's defense, he.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Didn't see you.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
He couldn't clear it. Like he's remember the rhythm, you know,
the thing go publishing, and you made the beat, but
he's the rapper. But you know what I mean. So
people think, oh, why didn't Envy clear the song? But
you owned the brides to the Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Now, also when you perform back in the late nineties
in early two thousand, there was terms and words that
you could say that you cannot say anymore or they
will try to cancel it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh no, the nineties kind of back a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You remember to getting a rapper shop?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I mean, yeah, take it right out, ramping shop. Shit,
that was explicit. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Man, playing for the kids.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Is explicit, as is very intolerant, which I think is
changing now still because the world is changing. So you've
got to be mindful of what you say.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, there's certain songs you don't do because of that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Are you just I won't do there's certain songs.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I won't do. Yeah? Hell yeah, I mean come on,
that's like saying, oh, slavery was good, let's bring it back. No,
we're not. So we're not going to sing certain songs.
You're not gonna you know what I mean, come on,
it's it's distasteful, Yes, distasteful. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And also, I'm sure over time you've probably seen gaut
to gall and it looked beautiful together to gather. Don't
got to got to gather look beautiful together.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, I don't judge and I don't look. I'm
I'm is what I'm saying. So yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Another question the wife had is are you going to
marry your fiance? It's been a while now.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's usually how it works, You usually marry your fiance. Okay,
this is the thing. I came out July thirty first. Yes,
they're the biggest concert in Jamaica history. December thirty first,
got my US visa January thirty first. Yeah, so I
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wanted to get married February thirty first. It turns out
he doesn't have a thirty first.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You did that on prof you know, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Get married? No, because I've been so busy all over
the place. We have to planet Oau. You know, her
family is big, mine is big. But they know mis like,
she's right here. I left her. I don't leave her nowhere.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
She's not my good luck chime out in trouble.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, exactly right. She balances me, she calms me, man,
So yeah, she good.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
How was that. How was that big show that you
did in Jamaica.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, over thirty five some pre crazy. That show was
a sea of people just as far as I can see.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Was it overwhelming for you?
Speaker 4 (29:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Man, too easy for me, Like I said, I put
in the work and I know I deserve it. So
for me like no, nervous, no nothing. We just you
saw why I came out of the pit because we
did that to It's like art was in the dungeon.
So I'm coming up now out of the pit of hell.
That's what's the concept for me, coming out from under
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the stage. Man, I work for that. I deserve it.
Thank you God, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Let me ask you a question about Jamaican culture. It
seems like bleaching your skin is becoming more popular now,
Like what is the fascination with that?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I think it has to do with, you know, the
usual issue self hate, the history of colonialism, colorism, it's
all that, you know what I mean. And like we
I were speaking to, I don't remember who I was
speaking to, because even in like places like Asia, skin
bleaching is a big thing too. And it has to
do with that Stockholm syndrome. Because if you think about it.
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Who in Asia bleaches the most. It's the North sorry,
the South Koreans and the Japanese that americanized kind of European.
They weren't that you were centric, look is what I'm saying.
And black people have always had that problem. I mean,
I would never bleach again personally, you know what I mean,
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because I'm mature enough to know that. Yo, fuck that.
I definitely think it has to do with self hate
or self lack of self confidence as a race, because
when I was bleaching, like I literally looked in the
mirror and I thought I looked better being light skin,
you know what I mean. So it took a time
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for me to man, fuck that.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
So it was a cosmetic thing when you did it, Yes, definitely,
but I would never do.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
That again, man, And I'm glad. I'm very very glad
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But even though on Love and Hip Hop Spice Spice,
she it was a mess. It was a bigger message
that she was trying to convey and it was exactly
what you were saying. She's like, man, this this is
different in America than it is back But like, you
don't get certain things if you're not a fairer skin,
you know, and people here because love and hip hop
is American people was.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Looking at spices like what the hell? Like, why would
you know?
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Black skin is beautiful always, you know what I mean? So,
but now I totally do get what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
It is totally different.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Culturally, Yeah, trust me, because we only have blacks in Jamaica. Yeah,
so for us, it's not racism. It's colorism. Like the
lights that skin you are, it's like climb social it's
crazy work.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Was it a woman? Was it a woman that encouraged
you to do it?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Oh? No, it's just a bunch of us as you
know what I mean, does Jamaica?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
One point was yeah, I mean, so did you have
any effects after that?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Like long term because you were doing it for a while, Like.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Term effects? Just some fucking pictures that I don't want
to look at.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
They used to say I was bleaching, and they would
always send me pictures of you and have me side
by side.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
You know you were he was ugly and then he
was cute and no, damn no, he had a whole face.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
God metic surgery.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I don't know, I know, tell him the truth, Michael,
what happened?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Have polyms in my nose. I would snore a lot
and couldn't, so they removed the polymps. I didn't touch
my nose. My nose is the same, Michael.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You still get.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Nervous when you perform.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
What's nervous? Is it soul? That was that it tastes?
Is it contagious?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
M don't We don't do None of us know that.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We don't do that. No, like I said, and plus
like I said, I was raised in a family of
people that love music. My uncles used to try to
be DJs, not DJ's like like me DJ Jamaican rapper. Yeah. Yeah,
so I grew up always wanting to get the microphone,
you know what I mean. I grew up wanting to
go on stage.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So no, as it relates to music, no nervousness. I'd
be more nervous like going in the bank or something,
or walking through the airport or you know what I mean? No, no, no, no, no,
that's too easy.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Was not at all.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
How was Jamaica for you? Is you make a safe
space for vibe culture?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Of course not?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Do you stay there primarily?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Or I live here, sir?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Oh okay okay, I live in Florida got you got
your I mean, I did thirteen years in prison. Why
would I But I wrecked my country right through. I
wrecked my culture all the way every day one the
odd man bumbo clad?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Can I say that?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Yeah? Is it the government or the people that makes
you be like? Okay, let me stay, let me, let
me keep my distance from nah.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I just want to like I spent thirteen years, Like seriously,
that's not a joe, Like I need to go out
now like I'm working. Yeah, Yeah, Florida is good because
it's a home. You can come to New York. You
can just go across the Atlantic, England, go west during
la you know what I mean. So it's just a
nice place to be geographically, I can just move.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Do you like to go back to those areas that
you grew up on? Like drive through Brooklyn in America?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Want so hard?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
No, No, I'm not going back. But like in Brooklyn,
I mean like areas in Brooklyn brown exact white planes
rode back in the day twenty fist, yes, do you
go by?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
No, sir, don't you know what I mean? But seriously,
why I'm just staying out of trouble. I don't want
to be involved in nothing negative. Mm hmm. Never Yeah,
so we stay away from that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah has has has you?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Mister Palm will become a ever become a prisoner above cartel?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like how do you remind yoursel.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
All the time, all the time? And it's crazy, like
it's it's it's conflicting, but it's whatever, man, Vibescartell is
why I am. I have the things that I have,
and I can take care of my family. I work sacrifice,
you know what I mean? But sometimes some days I
(35:46):
wish I could just walk, man, just walk with my
grand chods on the road and just well buy some
ice cream and chili that mm hmm. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
So what keeps you grounded? What keeps you reminding yourself
of who you?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Who you are?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Not the character of the Vibe Cartel.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I used to buy into the character mm hmmmm, because
we grew up rough, We grew up in more so,
grew up tough two point oh. But you know, I
just what keeps grounding the family? Like I said, my kids,
the new lease that God has given me keep me
(36:23):
grounded and messing that up for nobody. M hm.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Well, the album is streaming right now. New album you
want to hear something of the new album.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, I did the album, sir, the people right now?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Can I make a request, though, you need to do
a comedy movie, Jamaican comedy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
We already get a Jamaican gang bang shooting.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Up comedy or horror film. I always thought about that.
There's no Jamaican horror film, even though as African descent,
as we have a lot of us, we call them
dumpy story Oh yeah, yeah, yeah we don't. I think
we need to capitalize on that more.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
But yeah, you believe in mhm.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I was going to say something very disrespectful about it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Let's hear it.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
No, I don't, I don't believe you don't.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Believe it goes? Come on, artist, Yeah, I know you was.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean, of course that's the
spirit is the spirit. Remember you have good spirit, you
have bad spirit? You know what I mean? Good spirits?
Right now?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's right. What about mermaids? Did y'all ever see mermaidsaid?
Because I always hear no for real, because.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
That's the things I'm talking about. In Jamaica, we call
them river mains because we have a lot of references. Yeah,
so stories that the river mains put the golden table
up and people would see it and dive in and
then they will pull you down in the water. Yeah,
we grew up on all those stories in Calves. That's
the spirits of butchers. No, yeah, at night with the
(38:06):
cow chain and it's.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Crazy, man like like the Jamaican Texas change exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Without the Texas and without the change, it's no budget.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Have you seen a river maybe before? Have you seen
a river made before?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
No, but I've seen lots of duppies ghost like, yeah,
no joke, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's
not about belief, you know, you know, you know, you
know what I mean. You couldn't have God. You believe
in the God. You have to accept that the devil
is exist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, so you got you got plans to write any
films anything like that?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yes, definitely. I'd love to do a film about my life.
I mean not just not my entire life. So it's
maybe like the prison part.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, after I.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Die, someone else can do the full life ship. I
have no time for that. I'm living. I'm living now. Yeah,
my kids can do that when I'm gone, you know
what I mean. So yeah, but definitely movies. Man, I
love entertainment. I love movies.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, you got a sense of him. You're very fun.
Definitely a vibe there you go.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I'm gonna I'm gonna try this again.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Vibes.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
What song do you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
For the people?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
I want to hit port Flip.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I want to said, let's get into porn floor right now.
It's weekend. You should have your tickets already. If not,
it's sold out, you're gonna have to go to step
Hub and pay grands and grands and grands for it.
But definitely check them out. And we appreciate you for
joining us anytime.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Pull up. Yeah, I'm a big up Sharlie man, big
up your envy, big up. Yes, where's Angela?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
She got her own show on after Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Okay she should be Yeah, okay, okay, big up Angela.
Yeah that's what you know. God is the great task.
That's right we are.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's vibes, Car tell you wake til ass up in
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