November 9, 2023 • 35 mins
The FnA Podcast with Kevin Figgers and Adam Auslund with Petros Papadakis who talks about the latest with USC and Alex Grinch being firing, Oregon/Wash + Michigan Scandal. Also, there's some bonus FnNBA talk with the Lakers and Clippers struggling.
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He's Kevin Figures. You're you,thanks for being here. We love
you guys, We appreciate you.It's a throwback Thursday edition from the n
to the two thousand. What's up, Kevin? Oh? You know,
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always, interact with the show pleaseon x at k fig one Adam is
that follow Adam A. We areat FINA's show on Instagram, Facebook,
and Twitter got a special guest comingup on today's show as we reached the
finish line or towards the finish lineof the college football regular season, one
of our favorite guests popping on.But we also have voicemails to get to.
Yeah, we missed them last week, so nine four nine four seven
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eight eleven ninety seven is the talkass hotline talk to And if they're too
dated, because it's our fault wedidn't get to them last week, we'll
still cut your ass off. Exactlyyou. So it looks like we have
two voicemails and both of them lookto be pre Halloween. So let's see
if there's anything Halloween theme from thislovely see what we got. You know,
Adam, I was gonna let youhave the last word I usually do
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on your own show, but thenyou went off and did what you always
do my words and you not youkenvinth You're cool. No one's got a
problem with you. You, Adam, are reason that the American public hates
and distrust the media because you tookone tiny little thing and missed everything else.
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I literally said, I don't blamethem for getting injured, and you
held out held onto that, andsomehow turned it into me blaming them for
getting injured. What I said was, shut up, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. The best abilityis availability, and they haven't been available,
so injured or not, whatever hashappened in the last three years,
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you've got to shut up and proveit. It doesn't matter. I'm not
talking about oh, don't get injured. I literally said the opposite. Sometimes
you're too damn dense to get thisship through your head, but said the
opposite. Be quiet, win games. Shut the haters up like me,
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even though I actually am rooting forthem to succeed, because if they succeed,
you make more money and the nexttime we hang out, you're buying
all the drinks. Yeah fuck that. You just need to shut up.
That's what I'm saying. Be quietand win, getting on your stupid podcast
and rambling on about how tough you'regoing to be. You and Ben Simmon.
Oh God, so I believe Ryanis referring to us, responding back
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to him who on Twitter was callingout Paul George, who was talking about
being on his bully stuff this season, and he very much was until the
last couple of games with the JamesHarden and them starting off zero to two
in the James Harden era as anadjustment period. He was certainly playing great
in that twenty point fourth quarter hehad against the Los Angeles Lakers and really
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got off to the best start,or one of the best starts of his
career. But I was just makingthe point that you want the Clippers to
get out of the first round,well, they need to be healthy first,
sure, and going after them forbeing hurt. I'm not saying you're
literally going after them for being hurt, but logically, if they are hurt,
they can't get out of the firstround. So I don't know what
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you're upset about. If you're sayingyou're not mad at them for being hurt,
you understand they were legitimately injured.But at the same time they need
to progress throughout the playoffs and dobetter. Yeah, it's the stop whining.
I don't know if it's the whiningthat they're just I think that's just
a legitimate reason as to why they'renot advancing is because they haven't been close
to one hundred. I think that'sjust a legitimate reason and not necessarily whining
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and complaining about anything. That's howI interpret it. If you don't want
guys to talk and just play andshut up and dribble, Uh, well,
he's got a podcast. He getsinterviewed by the media after every game.
He's going to talk and players,yes, say things like locked in
all the time, right and thisyear. I mean, that's just that's
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that's player speak. That's the I'min the best shape of my life everybody
says every off season. That's justthat's player speak. Everybody wins the off
seas, everybody's in much better shape, everybody's ready to go get into the
year. It's not out of theordinary or Paul George's on this island by
himself talking about these things. Iunderstand if you have an issue with it.
I'm just saying Paul George is notthe only person that does it.
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So player speak, and that's thecase. And if you think players see
all say the same things all thetime, I don't disagree with you.
I guess we don't necessarily have tolisten. And this is what from Ryan
from last week. This is fromHalloween before Halloween. Yeah, and I
know he's given Paul George a tonof credit for the way he started off
this season and he's backed up histalk talk. You said he shouldn't have
had, but he backed it up. So that's weird to me too.
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Who cares? We can move forwardright now? Things are food. They're
spiraling at the moment because I didpull up this lost a few games.
I don't think it's that things arenot dire, No, But in Clipper
Nation right now they're certainly down.After the last two games with James Harden.
Where the starting five for the Clipperswith Kawhila, Paul, George Russell,
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Westbrook teams Harden and a Vitza Zubats. They have an offensive rating of
eighty five for perspective. The worstoffensive team in the league so far this
season, the Memphis Grizzlies, theirthirtieth offensively. Their offensive rating is one
oh four point two. Oh youknow what. They will compete perfectly with
the Detroit Pistons of the nineteen eighties. This has be great to the Clippers,
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and the Clippers gonna play back then, Oh man, they'd be dangerous.
I mean, to have that muchtalent, we'll have an offensive raiding
almost twenty points worse than The worstteam in the league right now is back.
Sure, it's two games of JamesHarden, and if I can take
your Clipper hat off of you andput it on me for a half a
second, take it. I thinkTylu brought up a good point after the
game last night. These guys arebeing too tentative and not trying to step
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on each other's toes because you havefour alpha males, all who at some
point in time had to carry theteams on their shoulders, and you're trying
to incorporate someone who's as ball dominantas James Harden. And I think I
saw something last week or after theirfirst game in New York State that James
Harden, throughout his career, especiallyover the last four or five years,
has been in a reluctant catch andshoot guy because he loves to have the
ball in his hands so much.I think it's going to be a major
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adjustment for all of them and isjust going to take time. Now,
would you like to be able towin a couple of games here and there?
Why you make those adjustments? Sure? How about win against a team
that was missing half their players,that has one of the worst defenses in
the league, and the Clipper stillonly scored ninety three points against Brooklyn lesson.
I know, Cam Thomas, Iget it, I get it.
It's the Knicks game made sense tome. That's just a bad matchup as
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a soft lance, wrong time tostart things off against Brooklyn. They were
twenty fifth defensively, Butkale Bridges hadlike ten points on four of eleven shooting.
Cam Thomas, the Clipper killer,the league killer who's been torching everyone.
He goes out in the second half. They didn't have Cameron Johnson,
they didn't have Ben Simmons, theydidn't have Nick Claxton, and the Clippers
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still lost. It was just itwas a rough one. It was rough
to watch that. Offensively, youwould think even just rolling the ball out
there no plays, they'd have enoughtalent to take down this Brooklyn team.
This is true, but it's fine. It's still early. Nothing's fucked.
They're fine. If everything's perfectly allright now, we're fine. We're all
fine here now, thank you.Clippers lose a couple of games in a
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row. Lakers are getting their asskicked in Houston to Dylan Brooks, that's
what we need to focus on.I still think for both teams everything will
end up being fine, except theLaker. I think there's more negative trends
for the Lakers, but they're alsonot fully healthy at this point in time,
so I'm willing to give them sometime to get their stuff together.
Honestly, the Spider Man mean pointingat one another isn't even enough to just
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perfectly encapsulate what's happening with Los Angelesbasketball right now, because every game the
Clippers have started like a half hourearlier than the Lakers these last two games,
and every game Lakers fans are lickingtheir chops. Oh, we're gonna
talk about the Clippers and James Hardenand how much they're failing right now.
But then the Lakers get the Lakers. The Lakers are out of it by
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five minutes into the first quarter ofevery game anyway at this point, so
what the hell doesn't even matter?They lost every quarter to the Houston Rockets
last night. I didn't see thegame, Kevin, I watched both at
the same time. The Lakers prettynever closed the gags the same time.
Basically, so kind of life Ihave they did? They get ambushed.
They couldn't play any defense. Firstof all, they couldn't make any shots
offensively, They didn't really run itthrough Lebron early on, which is surprising
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to me, especially considering all thesmack that Dylan Brooks was talking. You
think they go right at him.When Lebron did go right at him,
he scored every time. I sawthat one play where he boyd the post.
They should have done that every singletime, and they didn't. But
Wood was not efficient. D'Angelo Russell, who's kind of turning into that guy
like as he goes, the teamgoes offensively whether a D's in there or
not, don't really want if hehas If he has a crappy Knight,
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usually they're gonna have a crappy Knight. That's the early trend so far.
What's seven eight games into the seasonthey get they lose every first quarter.
Yeah, and defensively they are justthey couldn't keep up with them for whatever
reason. Jalen Green was killing him. Uh Shingoon, who just came out
of nowhere the last couple of years, kills everybody, baby joker. Believable.
How guy can't you can't slide apiece of paper under his feet and
he's just working people over. Theyhad a double team on him between d'
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angelo Russell, and I forget whoexactly. Maybe it was Hotama. He
backed into Hatchimour turned into the AngeloRussell still spun an underneath layup and spun
it in. That guy is unbelievable. Steve Nash trick shots. Houston's.
Houston was gonna be a team towatch anyway. Coming into this season.
I thought, I don't think weever discussed the much in the off season
with Bob, but you know,I thought, they they're not going to
play a team. Yes, surethey can compete for a playoff spot.
They shouldn't been a lot of money. They shouldn't be up by thirty on
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the Lakers. I don't care wherethey're playing, especially without it. Whether
Anthony Davis is there or not,it doesn't matter. Well in the Lakers,
what have lost three in a rownow the Clippers have lost three in
a row since both teams played eachother and put on a freaking show in
that overtime matchup in the Battle ofLos Angeles, and now they're just spiraling
out of control. It's just,yeah, it's it's it's it is early,
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but dominant teams, great teams getoff to hot starts. Championship teams
always get off the hot starts.I know these are in us circumstances with
the Clippers bringing in James Harden likethis, and they still have seventy five
games left to go, but man, it is it's been a little perplexing
as how bad. I won't saythat far. I'll agree with that.
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I'm get together. We'll figure itout right next next call, Oh wait,
I think I know who this is. Fuck the same one. I
apologize for calling back on this thesecond time, but I just got to
the end of your podcast and it'sa forty minute mark. When talking about
the Clippers home opener, you said, all the talk is meaningless if they've
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done in the off season unless theydeliver in the regular season. So you
literally made my exact point for me, and I've saved the audio so you
can't twist it. You literally mademy point for me. I'm glad to
know that you think I'm right,Adam, because I am as always.
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I mean, you said they shouldn'ttalk at all during the off season.
I'm saying it's fine. Of course, they're going to be judged on whether
or not they do perform in theregular season. Yeah, think it just
kind of goes without saying No matterwhat you say, the whole talk is
cheap. Sure by all means,Yeah, that's not groundbreaking, that's not
a brain hatch here, that's nothingnew. I don't think Adam would whether
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you pull up the clip or not, I don't think you would deny that,
you would say that that's just generallyacknowledged. My point would be context.
And if guys are hurt and notplaying, it's one thing. If
guys are out there and underperforming,it's another. Sure, right now,
that's happening in the last couple ofgames, but early on this season it
looked like and just the fact thatKawhi and Paul George have been able to
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play all the games so far issomewhat a win for this team. But
this team has been graded on howfar they're going in the playoffs, and
they haven't gone far because guys havebeen hurt. It's been that simple for
them. It's not just them fallingon their face in the first or second
round. We saw what happened inthe bubble, yes, but that was
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back in twenty twenty, and itwas in the bubble. Since then,
it's just been They've never been ableto finish the season with both of their
guys on the court. That's allI'm saying. So if you want to
get upset with them, I guessscream with their injuries, because that's what's
been direction. Achilles mother. Yeah, I understand it. Thank you,
counld you be like Aaron Rodgers comeback by the end of the season,
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which seems to be happening. It'scrazy. Well that's what he says.
We'll see. There's a lot oftalk about that sort of thing. Slightly
less movement too. Yeah, butthank you Ryan. If you want to
be like Ryan and call and ripAdam and not me and just compliment me,
which I appreciate. Yeah, goneseven eight eleven ninety seven is the
number. Nine four seven eight elevenninety seven. Our next guest is ripped
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into both of us quite a bitoften. Yeah, and over the last
few years. So I'll I guesswe'll see what kind of mood he is
in today, Adam. Let's getto it wrong one Alan Dragon dud.
Thank you, gutny. So bothpro basketball teams try to outdo each other
with their inept play over the lastweek here on fnnbas some like to say
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we tried to deflect by pointing toother bad performances in town. So let's
talk USC football with the former captainof the worst USC football team who never
captains up for a school when theystruggle because he's just here rooting for the
truth, and the truth is adefense has been pretty fucking bad. But
he's pretty fucking good though. It'scollege football analyst Petrospapaeka's back on the f
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and a podcast. Pee, howare you thanks for doing this? I'm
doing okay. You know, thistime of year, I inherit all the
problems of all the football teams thatI cover on the weekends. And I
have two games, so that's fourteams. Oh boy. So I just
talked to Cincinnati and they haven't gottentheir first big twelve win yet, even
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though they're like leading their top fivein the country and rushing or something.
They're just having an abysmal year.So I inherited their problems for the last
hour forty five minutes, and nowI'm here with you. What's up the
whipping boy of college football? I'llspare you with the Emery Jones questions.
Go ahead him, Well he's gotten picks. Yeah, well lost some
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confidence. Guys. Well, hey, should Oregon be at all worried about
USC's defense now that Alex Grinch isgone? Or oh I expected to be
totally different. Yeah, I'm sure, just sharpening their teeths, getting ready
to rock and roll, filling gaps, fighting off blocks, getting to the
tackle. It couldn't hurt. Imean, USC needed some kind of win,
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and they haven't got him on thefield or against the spread since like
September, and they needed to havesome kind of positive thing to point to
the fact that they realized that thisis not going great and this season has
been a massive disappointment. And JenCohen, the new athletic director, has
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got to take control of a headcoach that she didn't hire, and she's
a good ad and they didn't hireher to be a figurehead and she's working.
I think she forced Lincoln Riley tofire Alex Grinch. I don't expect
USC's defense to be very different,maybe a little different, but obviously their
problems are more systemic than one guy. And it is amazing to me that
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somehow, especially these offensive coaches,somehow are able to divorce themselves from the
defensive side of the ball as faras accountability goes like no one if it's
a defensive coach, then the offenseis an apt. Everybody just says fire
the coach, or everybody puts pressureon the head coach to do something about
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it or to be fired, likeI said, But in this kind of
situation, it doesn't happen that way. Everybody points at Granch and everybody acts
like if it was just to somebodyelse. You know, the people in
the stadium probably think, if youfire Alex Grinch, suddenly Lawrence Taylor comes
sprinting down the tunnel seriously, youknow. And that's how And I get
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it, you know, I'm waytoo close to this stuff. I know
about the air raid offense and thepeople that coach it and call it and
run it, and its machinations andwhere it's gone and how it's changed and
how frankly it's going out of style. And Lincoln Riley hopped on a ten
million dollar a year deal at USCright at the end of the air raid
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or air raid guys or people thatplay super fast on offense and don't help
the defense out at all is kindof ending. And so it's very interesting,
you know, it'll be very interestingbecause calling games around the country,
you kind of see where these peoplego, you know, and they're not
all over the place anymore. Youknow. Graham Harold's struggling calling plays at
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Purdue for a defensive coach. Idon't know how long that's going to last.
All the brills people, most ofthem are his son included, are
hiding at Texas Tech with Sonny DikesAnd I mean, excuse me, Texas
a TCCU, Yeah, TCU withSonny Dykes. And there's some air raid
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type still at Texas Tech as butthat's a defensive coach who comes from Baylor.
Mike Gundy is lining up under centerand playing with a fullback and has
a tailback that's running for two hundredand thirty yards a game. So it's
kind of interesting to see, youknow that this style of football has kind
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of gone out of style for bluebloods and people of that nature. And
USC is stuck with like a guythat really seems to only worry about the
offensive side of the ball, withthe way they practice, how physical they
are, and the person on theteam. So I don't know if it's
going to change very drastically. Well, I guess from a macro standpoint,
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not specifically US seasons. You weretalking about the air raid and it wasn't
an air rate at all, butit was a high tempo offense that had
a lot of snaps and didn't takea lot of time. I'm going back
to Chip Kelly when he was withOregon, and you always talked about how
masterful of a job Nick Ilioti didwith his defense trying to play complimentary defense
to that offense, and how difficultit is. Is there is there a
way that you can play complimentary footballto an air rate style offense because to
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your point, we just haven't seenit. Well, you got to run
the ball, yeah, you know. I mean, the guy that can
really be physical in one of thosefast tempo offenses maybe the only guy that
can really take a lot out ofthe defense, you know, unless you're
really pulling guards and stuff like that, and people do. There's a lot
of power scheme and stuff like thatand gap scheme in the spreadout offenses,
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but a lot of it is zonescheme. But the one guy that can
really take it to the defense andmake them tired of tackling him is his
detailback. But he has to befed the ball consistently, so he's there
for you in the fourth quarter.Yeah, Aliote learned to play a lot
of guys in the hockey shift typeof style, which a lot of teams
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incorporate for a lot of different reasons, you know, but one of them
is because your offense plays a lotof tempo. But the one thing Chip
Kelly's teams did without any exception isrun the ball well, and that eats
clock no matter how fast you doit. And you have an opportunity and
understand how to eat clock when youknow how to run the ball at the
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end of the game. You know, we're all very much used to seeing
a team line up at the lineof scrimmage with twenty seconds left on the
play clock and milk it all theway down to under five while the offensive
line just sits there in a stands. That's a discipline of these spreadout offenses
or fast tempo offenses that know howto run the ball. The problem is
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usc they can run the ball well, they don't they want to throw it.
The offense often does not work ontime, even though it's spectacular.
It's mostly Caleb Williams dropping back andthen trickling out to one way or the
other and making some kind of greatplay. But that's not a consistent formula
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for team success, and I thinkwe're seeing that with USC this year.
Some Lakers fans like to say,I E clock, but it's a little
bit different, do you think so? I mean, if it's a philosophical
issue with just how they particularly runtheir offense, does it really matter what
defensive coordinator do they bring in?It could be I mean does it make
a difference. Well, I meanyour coach has to evolve, right,
Like you're asking your coach to evolve, and that's not beyond the realm of
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possibility. Yeah, Gundy's done it. Lincoln Riley's not an old man.
I mean, Dana Holgerson did it. You know when when Gino Smith was
at West Virginia, they barely everran the ball and they had to change.
And now look he's at Houston andthey're trying to run ball and do
different things, trying to get intoa different conference and evolve that program.
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So just like he did at WestVirginia, from the Big East to the
Big Twelve. So coaches can change. But I don't know who's going to
be hired to be the decordinator,and if they hired a guy like Jim
Leonard or somebody who's known as aas a guy, I mean, that's
going to be that's going to bea conflict within his staff if he doesn't
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change the culture of the program.So I guess Scott wolf was it came
on our show this week and saidthat the agent, Lincoln Riley's agent is
running the search, So it'll beI don't know who they know, you
know, outside of the air raidworld, I'm not sure who would come
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in and want the job to coacharound that. It's kind of like playing
with Lebron James, right, ifyou're the defensive coordinator for Lincoln Riley,
everything can only be your fault orif you have success, it's because of
Lincoln. So I mean, youknow, I'm not sure. I'm not
sure how it's going to play itselfout. But last year for USC with
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the three losses, especially the oneof Tulane, despite the Heisman Trophy,
going into this year has felt alot like fools gold and I think it's
a lot of the equity with thefan base has evaporated already, and now
you've got a guy in a giantestate in Palace Verni's estates that you're paying
ten million dollars a year for andthe guy who potied up all the cash
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ninety million, Rick Caruso, didn'teven win the mayoral thing that he thought
he was gonna win, making thehigher so kind of a big giant wet
fart after it's done. That's verygraphic description. Petro's because joining us on
the FNAY podcast, So one lastone on sc because you mentioned Scott Wolf
and he was on with you andJonas earlier this week and he said that
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he's hurt that Lincoln Riley has putout feelers to the NFL over the last
year or so, knowing that CalebWilliams is likely knowing what that Big Ten
schedule looks like next year in thecoming years for USC, and if he's
not willing to adjust, the USCcan be a middling team in the Big
Ten for the next couple of seasons. Do you think it's possible that Lincoln
Riley can basically find his way outof here if he gets an NFL job,
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come call in this offseason. They'rea middling team right now. True?
True, So you know, Imean, I don't know, I
don't know what the NFL interest ina guy. I mean, he's obviously
very good offensive coach, and maybehe goes with Caleb. I think that's
a very distinct possibility. It feelskind of far fetched to just say it
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on its face, but when youtalk to people it doesn't seem that way.
More far fetched would be Caleb Williamscoming back and playing at USC for
nil money. I think that's lesslikely to happen than the two of them
going together to an NFL team.So there's that possibility. There's the possibility
that he takes a college job atlike Texas A and M or a place
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like that. Will they pay hima bunch of money, you know,
if one of those jobs comes openand it's closer to the South or Texas
where he's from, and maybe alittle more comfortable because he's not hit a
media home run in the city ofLos Angeles, especially this season. So
yeah, all of those things areare possibilities. And really I think it
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goes back to a point I madeearlier in a very long, jumbled and
probably arduous answer that I gave.It's Jen Cohen. You know, Jen
Cohen is going to have to takecontrol of this situation. How much pressure
is she going to put on LincolnRiley? How much will he acquiesce to
that pressure? And if he doesn't, where do they go from there?
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Petrospapaneks is our guest here on thef and A podcast. Pee. I'm
sure You've been asked this a milliontimes over the last couple of weeks,
but I'm going to do it stillbecause I find it interesting. But how
prevalent is science in college football tothe degree that Michigan did it? Buying
tickets flying around, going in standsof games that don't even involve you.
It's wanting to steal sign from acrossthe other side line to the opponent you're
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playing. This is a different youknow, I don't know how different it
is. Well, you know,I mean in my day, we used
to have the coaches freaking out andsending people to sweep the parking you know,
where the parking structures all around USCThey kind of tower around the football
facility practice field, and we usedto sweep that area with managers and stuff,
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you know, and look for peoplewith telescopes and gigantic binoculars. You
know, coaches are really paranoid aboutthat kind of stuff. But to me,
it's not the same. I mean, sign stealing is is prevalent.
Some programs in modern football are alot more into it than you know,
what we used to do in myday, when everybody lined up in twenty
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one personnel most of the time.But yeah, you know, it's not
to me. I'm not a baseballplayer or anything. But to me,
it's not like, hey, there'sa curveball coming. You know it's coming.
You're a professional hitter, go hitit. There's so many circumstances involved
in the sport of football, andthere's so much more than just scheme between
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the actual event on the field andwhat was born in the minds of both
sidelines that it's a lot. Tome, it's a lot. Sure.
I mean, if there's regulations andthey broke those regulations, then there should
be you know, something to besaid. Is it like a salvation issue
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which those of us fundamental as Christianstypes realizes a difference between Heaven and hell.
I don't see it as a salvationissue in the world of football because
I don't see football as two dimensional, like a lot of these writers who
are outraged see it. You knowwhat, I mean, if you see
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it on paper, then it's obvious. Then wow, this is cheating,
my god. And yeah, maybeit's cheating, maybe it's not. I
will cite two things. One agreat quote from Jerry Tarcanian, which I'm
paraphrasing, said something like nine outof ten guys are cheating, and the
tenth guys in last place. Andthat's usually my impression of the way things
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go in these big time sports.And then the second one is none of
this would be happening if people justdidn't hate Jim Harbaugh. People hate Harbaugh.
They hate Harba, they hate thathe's having success, they hate his
arrogance, and that's why he's beingattacked. But that being said, you
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know, the Big Ten exists.You know, probably fifty forty five percent
of the whole Big Ten is Michigan, and they're not about to cut off
their own puzzo and then go intothe honeymoon suite. So so we'll see
how it all shakes out. ButI don't think if I'm talking percentages,
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I think about maybe twenty percent ofall this outrage is is warranted. The
rest is because everybody hates Harbaugh.I don't want a future project or doesn't
understand the sport as well. Right, I don't want a future project here
and just assume that Washington is gonnabeat Utah this weekend. But let's say
that they do. You know,Oregon State can come up and bite anybody
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that your guy Jonathan Smith up there, and Oregon State has big matchups with
Oregon and Washington. Do you believewe're on a collision course to see those
two teams facing off again in LasVegas? And if so, do you
think that Oregon has a chance tobite them again if they face to face
each other on a neutrul field.I mean, the last two times it's
happened, Dan Lanning has made abad decision or a decision that backfired.
Maybe it wasn't a bad decision thatcould be argued, but a decision that
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backfired at the end of the game. So and at the end of the
half. Yeah, the end ofhalf was more egregious than the end of
the game at least to know.Yeah, me too. So, so
I think it would be a wildgame, and you know, wild ass
game like Texas Oklahoma if they wereto play play again. Oklahoma's falling off,
but it would be a wild assgame. So I don't know.
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I think Washington is, you know, little wobbly right now because it's hard
to go undefeated in a conference whereeverybody knows you and you know everybody.
I think Michael Pennix is in thecat bird seat for the Heisman right now.
He bounced back beautifully against Stanford andthen played just great against USC.
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I like Washington to go all theway. I hope they do for the
sake of the end of the conference. I wouldn't surprise me if they took
an l from the Beeves or theDucks. But I think Washington is the
Obi wan Kenobi of a dying conference. But at the same time, you
know, it's been a great yearoverall, watching everybody get after it.
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And uh, I did tell youguys, Washington was the team de beat
early in the year and that hascome to fruition since you brought up the
death of the conference. And ifit's too much legal crap and you don't
understand and don't want to answer it, don't feel comfortable, don't. But
the lawsuit that the PAC two arewaging against the rest of the teams that
are leaving, and whether or notthey're going to be able to recoup the
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assets and all of that. Wheredo you see that actually falling out?
Is there going to be some sortof settlement? Do you think you can
actually end up being lawyers? Willwill dwell on the small details. I
don't believe that Oregon State and WashingtonState are going to be able to stop
everybody from joining whatever respective conference thatthey've decided to join. I don't think
that will happen. They will takeall the money going to the national playoffs.
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They'll deserve to take the money.I mean, they have to be
able to I don't disagree. Youknow, they have to be able to
pay their people. I mean,and if there's no TV contract, you
know, they have all these contractsthey have to honor. You know,
now, the endowment of the universitiescan pay for that, but that's never
been the case. You know.These athletic departments are self sustainable and always
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have been, which is why theykeep adding sports and all that, just
so they can have football to complywith Title nine. So you can play
football and make money. Yeah,and that's you know, that's the whole
crux of this. So yeah,I think they deserve to be paid.
But I think it'll just be amatter of people getting paid. And I
don't know what happens with those schoolsas far as where they'll go, but
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I think that they'll be able toget that money. And I think there's
money out there for them even inan independent TV contract if they had to
do that in a holding pattern fora short amount of time. I do
think those programs will survive. Beeve'sbetter shape than the Koops, Yeah,
I believe for sure. I thinkPetros should just get all the money since
he's calling all the games. Pee, where do we find you this weekend?
And with two games a great MountainWest game. I love this game,
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Wyoming at unlv U and lv runsthe go go offense which is just
hilarious. Two backs in the backfield, triple option but spread really really cool.
Are you paying attention? Lincoln MarionBrennan. He was a play caller
last year at NO. It wasn'ta play caller, that's why he took
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this job. But he was theOC at Texas last year anyway. And
then on Saturday, a middling Bigtwelve struggle between Cincinnati at Houston at four
o'clock Pacific, Well, we'll bechecking it out. We love your tea.
Thanks for doing this today on theFDA podcast, and have great calls
this weekend. All right, thankyou, all right, thanks again to
Petros Papadakis for joining us here.Check out the old p calling two games
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at the same time, no,not quite the same time, bubbling up.
It's honestly the lord's work, yeoman'swork, whatever you want to say.
It's really impressive because you have toon a college football team. There's
like ninety guys. There are guyshave double jersey numbers. And by the
way, I will say to addinglayer to that, Adam, it's even
more difficult when you aren't there.You don't have a spot, or you
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don't have if you're sitting in astudio, you have extra TV feeds that
we don't get on television. Butstill there. It's a it's an added
layer of us struggling and to figureout what's happening when you're at not actually
on site. So we're talking abouttwo games. That's four teams memorizing almost
what four hundred players. Yeah,it's a lot, three hundred and fifty
players, and you're at a disadvantagenot being able to actually see the entire
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field live and in person. Heis still my radio hero, trying to
fight a real show, even itsays stuff like that. So thanks the
ODP for hopping on again. Ifyou want to leave us a voicemail,
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It may have been confusing earlier aswe're responding to something from a couple of
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shows ago. And that's our faultit is. I'll give you that,
Ryan, that's our fault. Yeah, we'll take the blame of that.
It was in your fault. Itwas hit us up on the socials on
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I'm not talking about. Go doget injured, Go do get injured.
Go don't get injured.
Let's get this. This is ghettobroadcasting live from the studios of AM five
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finish line or towards the finish lineof the college football regular season, one
of our favorite guests popping on.But we also have voicemails to get to.
Yeah, we missed them last week, so nine four nine four seven
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eight eleven ninety seven is the talkass hotline talk to And if they're too
dated, because it's our fault wedidn't get to them last week, we'll
still cut your ass off. Exactlyyou. So it looks like we have
two voicemails and both of them lookto be pre Halloween. So let's see
if there's anything Halloween theme from thislovely see what we got. You know,
Adam, I was gonna let youhave the last word I usually do
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on your own show, but thenyou went off and did what you always
do my words and you not youkenvinth You're cool. No one's got a
problem with you. You, Adam, are reason that the American public hates
and distrust the media because you tookone tiny little thing and missed everything else.
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I literally said, I don't blamethem for getting injured, and you
held out held onto that, andsomehow turned it into me blaming them for
getting injured. What I said was, shut up, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. The best abilityis availability, and they haven't been available,
so injured or not, whatever hashappened in the last three years,
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you've got to shut up and proveit. It doesn't matter. I'm not
talking about oh, don't get injured. I literally said the opposite. Sometimes
you're too damn dense to get thisship through your head, but said the
opposite. Be quiet, win games. Shut the haters up like me,
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even though I actually am rooting forthem to succeed, because if they succeed,
you make more money and the nexttime we hang out, you're buying
all the drinks. Yeah fuck that. You just need to shut up.
That's what I'm saying. Be quietand win, getting on your stupid podcast
and rambling on about how tough you'regoing to be. You and Ben Simmon.
Oh God, so I believe Ryanis referring to us, responding back
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to him who on Twitter was callingout Paul George, who was talking about
being on his bully stuff this season, and he very much was until the
last couple of games with the JamesHarden and them starting off zero to two
in the James Harden era as anadjustment period. He was certainly playing great
in that twenty point fourth quarter hehad against the Los Angeles Lakers and really
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got off to the best start,or one of the best starts of his
career. But I was just makingthe point that you want the Clippers to
get out of the first round,well, they need to be healthy first,
sure, and going after them forbeing hurt. I'm not saying you're
literally going after them for being hurt, but logically, if they are hurt,
they can't get out of the firstround. So I don't know what
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you're upset about. If you're sayingyou're not mad at them for being hurt,
you understand they were legitimately injured.But at the same time they need
to progress throughout the playoffs and dobetter. Yeah, it's the stop whining.
I don't know if it's the whiningthat they're just I think that's just
a legitimate reason as to why they'renot advancing is because they haven't been close
to one hundred. I think that'sjust a legitimate reason and not necessarily whining
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and complaining about anything. That's howI interpret it. If you don't want
guys to talk and just play andshut up and dribble, Uh, well,
he's got a podcast. He getsinterviewed by the media after every game.
He's going to talk and players,yes, say things like locked in
all the time, right and thisyear. I mean, that's just that's
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that's player speak. That's the I'min the best shape of my life everybody
says every off season. That's justthat's player speak. Everybody wins the off
seas, everybody's in much better shape, everybody's ready to go get into the
year. It's not out of theordinary or Paul George's on this island by
himself talking about these things. Iunderstand if you have an issue with it.
I'm just saying Paul George is notthe only person that does it.
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So player speak, and that's thecase. And if you think players see
all say the same things all thetime, I don't disagree with you.
I guess we don't necessarily have tolisten. And this is what from Ryan
from last week. This is fromHalloween before Halloween. Yeah, and I
know he's given Paul George a tonof credit for the way he started off
this season and he's backed up histalk talk. You said he shouldn't have
had, but he backed it up. So that's weird to me too.
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Who cares? We can move forwardright now? Things are food. They're
spiraling at the moment because I didpull up this lost a few games.
I don't think it's that things arenot dire, No, But in Clipper
Nation right now they're certainly down.After the last two games with James Harden.
Where the starting five for the Clipperswith Kawhila, Paul, George Russell,
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Westbrook teams Harden and a Vitza Zubats. They have an offensive rating of
eighty five for perspective. The worstoffensive team in the league so far this
season, the Memphis Grizzlies, theirthirtieth offensively. Their offensive rating is one
oh four point two. Oh youknow what. They will compete perfectly with
the Detroit Pistons of the nineteen eighties. This has be great to the Clippers,
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and the Clippers gonna play back then, Oh man, they'd be dangerous.
I mean, to have that muchtalent, we'll have an offensive raiding
almost twenty points worse than The worstteam in the league right now is back.
Sure, it's two games of JamesHarden, and if I can take
your Clipper hat off of you andput it on me for a half a
second, take it. I thinkTylu brought up a good point after the
game last night. These guys arebeing too tentative and not trying to step
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on each other's toes because you havefour alpha males, all who at some
point in time had to carry theteams on their shoulders, and you're trying
to incorporate someone who's as ball dominantas James Harden. And I think I
saw something last week or after theirfirst game in New York State that James
Harden, throughout his career, especiallyover the last four or five years,
has been in a reluctant catch andshoot guy because he loves to have the
ball in his hands so much.I think it's going to be a major
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adjustment for all of them and isjust going to take time. Now,
would you like to be able towin a couple of games here and there?
Why you make those adjustments? Sure? How about win against a team
that was missing half their players,that has one of the worst defenses in
the league, and the Clipper stillonly scored ninety three points against Brooklyn lesson.
I know, Cam Thomas, Iget it, I get it.
It's the Knicks game made sense tome. That's just a bad matchup as
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a soft lance, wrong time tostart things off against Brooklyn. They were
twenty fifth defensively, Butkale Bridges hadlike ten points on four of eleven shooting.
Cam Thomas, the Clipper killer,the league killer who's been torching everyone.
He goes out in the second half. They didn't have Cameron Johnson,
they didn't have Ben Simmons, theydidn't have Nick Claxton, and the Clippers
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still lost. It was just itwas a rough one. It was rough
to watch that. Offensively, youwould think even just rolling the ball out
there no plays, they'd have enoughtalent to take down this Brooklyn team.
This is true, but it's fine. It's still early. Nothing's fucked.
They're fine. If everything's perfectly allright now, we're fine. We're all
fine here now, thank you.Clippers lose a couple of games in a
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row. Lakers are getting their asskicked in Houston to Dylan Brooks, that's
what we need to focus on.I still think for both teams everything will
end up being fine, except theLaker. I think there's more negative trends
for the Lakers, but they're alsonot fully healthy at this point in time,
so I'm willing to give them sometime to get their stuff together.
Honestly, the Spider Man mean pointingat one another isn't even enough to just
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perfectly encapsulate what's happening with Los Angelesbasketball right now, because every game the
Clippers have started like a half hourearlier than the Lakers these last two games,
and every game Lakers fans are lickingtheir chops. Oh, we're gonna
talk about the Clippers and James Hardenand how much they're failing right now.
But then the Lakers get the Lakers. The Lakers are out of it by
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five minutes into the first quarter ofevery game anyway at this point, so
what the hell doesn't even matter?They lost every quarter to the Houston Rockets
last night. I didn't see thegame, Kevin, I watched both at
the same time. The Lakers prettynever closed the gags the same time.
Basically, so kind of life Ihave they did? They get ambushed.
They couldn't play any defense. Firstof all, they couldn't make any shots
offensively, They didn't really run itthrough Lebron early on, which is surprising
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to me, especially considering all thesmack that Dylan Brooks was talking. You
think they go right at him.When Lebron did go right at him,
he scored every time. I sawthat one play where he boyd the post.
They should have done that every singletime, and they didn't. But
Wood was not efficient. D'Angelo Russell, who's kind of turning into that guy
like as he goes, the teamgoes offensively whether a D's in there or
not, don't really want if hehas If he has a crappy Knight,
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usually they're gonna have a crappy Knight. That's the early trend so far.
What's seven eight games into the seasonthey get they lose every first quarter.
Yeah, and defensively they are justthey couldn't keep up with them for whatever
reason. Jalen Green was killing him. Uh Shingoon, who just came out
of nowhere the last couple of years, kills everybody, baby joker. Believable.
How guy can't you can't slide apiece of paper under his feet and
he's just working people over. Theyhad a double team on him between d'
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angelo Russell, and I forget whoexactly. Maybe it was Hotama. He
backed into Hatchimour turned into the AngeloRussell still spun an underneath layup and spun
it in. That guy is unbelievable. Steve Nash trick shots. Houston's.
Houston was gonna be a team towatch anyway. Coming into this season.
I thought, I don't think weever discussed the much in the off season
with Bob, but you know,I thought, they they're not going to
play a team. Yes, surethey can compete for a playoff spot.
They shouldn't been a lot of money. They shouldn't be up by thirty on
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the Lakers. I don't care wherethey're playing, especially without it. Whether
Anthony Davis is there or not,it doesn't matter. Well in the Lakers,
what have lost three in a rownow the Clippers have lost three in
a row since both teams played eachother and put on a freaking show in
that overtime matchup in the Battle ofLos Angeles, and now they're just spiraling
out of control. It's just,yeah, it's it's it's it is early,
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but dominant teams, great teams getoff to hot starts. Championship teams
always get off the hot starts.I know these are in us circumstances with
the Clippers bringing in James Harden likethis, and they still have seventy five
games left to go, but man, it is it's been a little perplexing
as how bad. I won't saythat far. I'll agree with that.
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I'm get together. We'll figure itout right next next call, Oh wait,
I think I know who this is. Fuck the same one. I
apologize for calling back on this thesecond time, but I just got to
the end of your podcast and it'sa forty minute mark. When talking about
the Clippers home opener, you said, all the talk is meaningless if they've
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done in the off season unless theydeliver in the regular season. So you
literally made my exact point for me, and I've saved the audio so you
can't twist it. You literally mademy point for me. I'm glad to
know that you think I'm right,Adam, because I am as always.
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I mean, you said they shouldn'ttalk at all during the off season.
I'm saying it's fine. Of course, they're going to be judged on whether
or not they do perform in theregular season. Yeah, think it just
kind of goes without saying No matterwhat you say, the whole talk is
cheap. Sure by all means,Yeah, that's not groundbreaking, that's not
a brain hatch here, that's nothingnew. I don't think Adam would whether
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you pull up the clip or not, I don't think you would deny that,
you would say that that's just generallyacknowledged. My point would be context.
And if guys are hurt and notplaying, it's one thing. If
guys are out there and underperforming,it's another. Sure, right now,
that's happening in the last couple ofgames, but early on this season it
looked like and just the fact thatKawhi and Paul George have been able to
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play all the games so far issomewhat a win for this team. But
this team has been graded on howfar they're going in the playoffs, and
they haven't gone far because guys havebeen hurt. It's been that simple for
them. It's not just them fallingon their face in the first or second
round. We saw what happened inthe bubble, yes, but that was
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back in twenty twenty, and itwas in the bubble. Since then,
it's just been They've never been ableto finish the season with both of their
guys on the court. That's allI'm saying. So if you want to
get upset with them, I guessscream with their injuries, because that's what's
been direction. Achilles mother. Yeah, I understand it. Thank you,
counld you be like Aaron Rodgers comeback by the end of the season,
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which seems to be happening. It'scrazy. Well that's what he says.
We'll see. There's a lot oftalk about that sort of thing. Slightly
less movement too. Yeah, butthank you Ryan. If you want to
be like Ryan and call and ripAdam and not me and just compliment me,
which I appreciate. Yeah, goneseven eight eleven ninety seven is the
number. Nine four seven eight elevenninety seven. Our next guest is ripped
(13:46):
into both of us quite a bitoften. Yeah, and over the last
few years. So I'll I guesswe'll see what kind of mood he is
in today, Adam. Let's getto it wrong one Alan Dragon dud.
Thank you, gutny. So bothpro basketball teams try to outdo each other
with their inept play over the lastweek here on fnnbas some like to say
(14:09):
we tried to deflect by pointing toother bad performances in town. So let's
talk USC football with the former captainof the worst USC football team who never
captains up for a school when theystruggle because he's just here rooting for the
truth, and the truth is adefense has been pretty fucking bad. But
he's pretty fucking good though. It'scollege football analyst Petrospapaeka's back on the f
(14:30):
and a podcast. Pee, howare you thanks for doing this? I'm
doing okay. You know, thistime of year, I inherit all the
problems of all the football teams thatI cover on the weekends. And I
have two games, so that's fourteams. Oh boy. So I just
talked to Cincinnati and they haven't gottentheir first big twelve win yet, even
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though they're like leading their top fivein the country and rushing or something.
They're just having an abysmal year.So I inherited their problems for the last
hour forty five minutes, and nowI'm here with you. What's up the
whipping boy of college football? I'llspare you with the Emery Jones questions.
Go ahead him, Well he's gotten picks. Yeah, well lost some
(15:11):
confidence. Guys. Well, hey, should Oregon be at all worried about
USC's defense now that Alex Grinch isgone? Or oh I expected to be
totally different. Yeah, I'm sure, just sharpening their teeths, getting ready
to rock and roll, filling gaps, fighting off blocks, getting to the
tackle. It couldn't hurt. Imean, USC needed some kind of win,
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and they haven't got him on thefield or against the spread since like
September, and they needed to havesome kind of positive thing to point to
the fact that they realized that thisis not going great and this season has
been a massive disappointment. And JenCohen, the new athletic director, has
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got to take control of a headcoach that she didn't hire, and she's
a good ad and they didn't hireher to be a figurehead and she's working.
I think she forced Lincoln Riley tofire Alex Grinch. I don't expect
USC's defense to be very different,maybe a little different, but obviously their
problems are more systemic than one guy. And it is amazing to me that
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somehow, especially these offensive coaches,somehow are able to divorce themselves from the
defensive side of the ball as faras accountability goes like no one if it's
a defensive coach, then the offenseis an apt. Everybody just says fire
the coach, or everybody puts pressureon the head coach to do something about
(16:45):
it or to be fired, likeI said, But in this kind of
situation, it doesn't happen that way. Everybody points at Granch and everybody acts
like if it was just to somebodyelse. You know, the people in
the stadium probably think, if youfire Alex Grinch, suddenly Lawrence Taylor comes
sprinting down the tunnel seriously, youknow. And that's how And I get
(17:08):
it, you know, I'm waytoo close to this stuff. I know
about the air raid offense and thepeople that coach it and call it and
run it, and its machinations andwhere it's gone and how it's changed and
how frankly it's going out of style. And Lincoln Riley hopped on a ten
million dollar a year deal at USCright at the end of the air raid
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or air raid guys or people thatplay super fast on offense and don't help
the defense out at all is kindof ending. And so it's very interesting,
you know, it'll be very interestingbecause calling games around the country,
you kind of see where these peoplego, you know, and they're not
all over the place anymore. Youknow. Graham Harold's struggling calling plays at
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Purdue for a defensive coach. Idon't know how long that's going to last.
All the brills people, most ofthem are his son included, are
hiding at Texas Tech with Sonny DikesAnd I mean, excuse me, Texas
a TCCU, Yeah, TCU withSonny Dykes. And there's some air raid
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type still at Texas Tech as butthat's a defensive coach who comes from Baylor.
Mike Gundy is lining up under centerand playing with a fullback and has
a tailback that's running for two hundredand thirty yards a game. So it's
kind of interesting to see, youknow that this style of football has kind
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of gone out of style for bluebloods and people of that nature. And
USC is stuck with like a guythat really seems to only worry about the
offensive side of the ball, withthe way they practice, how physical they
are, and the person on theteam. So I don't know if it's
going to change very drastically. Well, I guess from a macro standpoint,
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not specifically US seasons. You weretalking about the air raid and it wasn't
an air rate at all, butit was a high tempo offense that had
a lot of snaps and didn't takea lot of time. I'm going back
to Chip Kelly when he was withOregon, and you always talked about how
masterful of a job Nick Ilioti didwith his defense trying to play complimentary defense
to that offense, and how difficultit is. Is there is there a
way that you can play complimentary footballto an air rate style offense because to
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your point, we just haven't seenit. Well, you got to run
the ball, yeah, you know. I mean, the guy that can
really be physical in one of thosefast tempo offenses maybe the only guy that
can really take a lot out ofthe defense, you know, unless you're
really pulling guards and stuff like that, and people do. There's a lot
of power scheme and stuff like thatand gap scheme in the spreadout offenses,
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but a lot of it is zonescheme. But the one guy that can
really take it to the defense andmake them tired of tackling him is his
detailback. But he has to befed the ball consistently, so he's there
for you in the fourth quarter.Yeah, Aliote learned to play a lot
of guys in the hockey shift typeof style, which a lot of teams
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incorporate for a lot of different reasons, you know, but one of them
is because your offense plays a lotof tempo. But the one thing Chip
Kelly's teams did without any exception isrun the ball well, and that eats
clock no matter how fast you doit. And you have an opportunity and
understand how to eat clock when youknow how to run the ball at the
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end of the game. You know, we're all very much used to seeing
a team line up at the lineof scrimmage with twenty seconds left on the
play clock and milk it all theway down to under five while the offensive
line just sits there in a stands. That's a discipline of these spreadout offenses
or fast tempo offenses that know howto run the ball. The problem is
(20:56):
usc they can run the ball well, they don't they want to throw it.
The offense often does not work ontime, even though it's spectacular.
It's mostly Caleb Williams dropping back andthen trickling out to one way or the
other and making some kind of greatplay. But that's not a consistent formula
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for team success, and I thinkwe're seeing that with USC this year.
Some Lakers fans like to say,I E clock, but it's a little
bit different, do you think so? I mean, if it's a philosophical
issue with just how they particularly runtheir offense, does it really matter what
defensive coordinator do they bring in?It could be I mean does it make
a difference. Well, I meanyour coach has to evolve, right,
Like you're asking your coach to evolve, and that's not beyond the realm of
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possibility. Yeah, Gundy's done it. Lincoln Riley's not an old man.
I mean, Dana Holgerson did it. You know when when Gino Smith was
at West Virginia, they barely everran the ball and they had to change.
And now look he's at Houston andthey're trying to run ball and do
different things, trying to get intoa different conference and evolve that program.
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So just like he did at WestVirginia, from the Big East to the
Big Twelve. So coaches can change. But I don't know who's going to
be hired to be the decordinator,and if they hired a guy like Jim
Leonard or somebody who's known as aas a guy, I mean, that's
going to be that's going to bea conflict within his staff if he doesn't
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change the culture of the program.So I guess Scott wolf was it came
on our show this week and saidthat the agent, Lincoln Riley's agent is
running the search, So it'll beI don't know who they know, you
know, outside of the air raidworld, I'm not sure who would come
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in and want the job to coacharound that. It's kind of like playing
with Lebron James, right, ifyou're the defensive coordinator for Lincoln Riley,
everything can only be your fault orif you have success, it's because of
Lincoln. So I mean, youknow, I'm not sure. I'm not
sure how it's going to play itselfout. But last year for USC with
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the three losses, especially the oneof Tulane, despite the Heisman Trophy,
going into this year has felt alot like fools gold and I think it's
a lot of the equity with thefan base has evaporated already, and now
you've got a guy in a giantestate in Palace Verni's estates that you're paying
ten million dollars a year for andthe guy who potied up all the cash
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ninety million, Rick Caruso, didn'teven win the mayoral thing that he thought
he was gonna win, making thehigher so kind of a big giant wet
fart after it's done. That's verygraphic description. Petro's because joining us on
the FNAY podcast, So one lastone on sc because you mentioned Scott Wolf
and he was on with you andJonas earlier this week and he said that
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he's hurt that Lincoln Riley has putout feelers to the NFL over the last
year or so, knowing that CalebWilliams is likely knowing what that Big Ten
schedule looks like next year in thecoming years for USC, and if he's
not willing to adjust, the USCcan be a middling team in the Big
Ten for the next couple of seasons. Do you think it's possible that Lincoln
Riley can basically find his way outof here if he gets an NFL job,
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come call in this offseason. They'rea middling team right now. True?
True, So you know, Imean, I don't know, I
don't know what the NFL interest ina guy. I mean, he's obviously
very good offensive coach, and maybehe goes with Caleb. I think that's
a very distinct possibility. It feelskind of far fetched to just say it
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on its face, but when youtalk to people it doesn't seem that way.
More far fetched would be Caleb Williamscoming back and playing at USC for
nil money. I think that's lesslikely to happen than the two of them
going together to an NFL team.So there's that possibility. There's the possibility
that he takes a college job atlike Texas A and M or a place
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like that. Will they pay hima bunch of money, you know,
if one of those jobs comes openand it's closer to the South or Texas
where he's from, and maybe alittle more comfortable because he's not hit a
media home run in the city ofLos Angeles, especially this season. So
yeah, all of those things areare possibilities. And really I think it
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goes back to a point I madeearlier in a very long, jumbled and
probably arduous answer that I gave.It's Jen Cohen. You know, Jen
Cohen is going to have to takecontrol of this situation. How much pressure
is she going to put on LincolnRiley? How much will he acquiesce to
that pressure? And if he doesn't, where do they go from there?
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Petrospapaneks is our guest here on thef and A podcast. Pee. I'm
sure You've been asked this a milliontimes over the last couple of weeks,
but I'm going to do it stillbecause I find it interesting. But how
prevalent is science in college football tothe degree that Michigan did it? Buying
tickets flying around, going in standsof games that don't even involve you.
It's wanting to steal sign from acrossthe other side line to the opponent you're
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playing. This is a different youknow, I don't know how different it
is. Well, you know,I mean in my day, we used
to have the coaches freaking out andsending people to sweep the parking you know,
where the parking structures all around USCThey kind of tower around the football
facility practice field, and we usedto sweep that area with managers and stuff,
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you know, and look for peoplewith telescopes and gigantic binoculars. You
know, coaches are really paranoid aboutthat kind of stuff. But to me,
it's not the same. I mean, sign stealing is is prevalent.
Some programs in modern football are alot more into it than you know,
what we used to do in myday, when everybody lined up in twenty
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one personnel most of the time.But yeah, you know, it's not
to me. I'm not a baseballplayer or anything. But to me,
it's not like, hey, there'sa curveball coming. You know it's coming.
You're a professional hitter, go hitit. There's so many circumstances involved
in the sport of football, andthere's so much more than just scheme between
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the actual event on the field andwhat was born in the minds of both
sidelines that it's a lot. Tome, it's a lot. Sure.
I mean, if there's regulations andthey broke those regulations, then there should
be you know, something to besaid. Is it like a salvation issue
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which those of us fundamental as Christianstypes realizes a difference between Heaven and hell.
I don't see it as a salvationissue in the world of football because
I don't see football as two dimensional, like a lot of these writers who
are outraged see it. You knowwhat, I mean, if you see
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it on paper, then it's obvious. Then wow, this is cheating,
my god. And yeah, maybeit's cheating, maybe it's not. I
will cite two things. One agreat quote from Jerry Tarcanian, which I'm
paraphrasing, said something like nine outof ten guys are cheating, and the
tenth guys in last place. Andthat's usually my impression of the way things
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go in these big time sports.And then the second one is none of
this would be happening if people justdidn't hate Jim Harbaugh. People hate Harbaugh.
They hate Harba, they hate thathe's having success, they hate his
arrogance, and that's why he's beingattacked. But that being said, you
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know, the Big Ten exists.You know, probably fifty forty five percent
of the whole Big Ten is Michigan, and they're not about to cut off
their own puzzo and then go intothe honeymoon suite. So so we'll see
how it all shakes out. ButI don't think if I'm talking percentages,
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I think about maybe twenty percent ofall this outrage is is warranted. The
rest is because everybody hates Harbaugh.I don't want a future project or doesn't
understand the sport as well. Right, I don't want a future project here
and just assume that Washington is gonnabeat Utah this weekend. But let's say
that they do. You know,Oregon State can come up and bite anybody
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that your guy Jonathan Smith up there, and Oregon State has big matchups with
Oregon and Washington. Do you believewe're on a collision course to see those
two teams facing off again in LasVegas? And if so, do you
think that Oregon has a chance tobite them again if they face to face
each other on a neutrul field.I mean, the last two times it's
happened, Dan Lanning has made abad decision or a decision that backfired.
Maybe it wasn't a bad decision thatcould be argued, but a decision that
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backfired at the end of the game. So and at the end of the
half. Yeah, the end ofhalf was more egregious than the end of
the game at least to know.Yeah, me too. So, so
I think it would be a wildgame, and you know, wild ass
game like Texas Oklahoma if they wereto play play again. Oklahoma's falling off,
but it would be a wild assgame. So I don't know.
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I think Washington is, you know, little wobbly right now because it's hard
to go undefeated in a conference whereeverybody knows you and you know everybody.
I think Michael Pennix is in thecat bird seat for the Heisman right now.
He bounced back beautifully against Stanford andthen played just great against USC.
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I like Washington to go all theway. I hope they do for the
sake of the end of the conference. I wouldn't surprise me if they took
an l from the Beeves or theDucks. But I think Washington is the
Obi wan Kenobi of a dying conference. But at the same time, you
know, it's been a great yearoverall, watching everybody get after it.
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And uh, I did tell youguys, Washington was the team de beat
early in the year and that hascome to fruition since you brought up the
death of the conference. And ifit's too much legal crap and you don't
understand and don't want to answer it, don't feel comfortable, don't. But
the lawsuit that the PAC two arewaging against the rest of the teams that
are leaving, and whether or notthey're going to be able to recoup the
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assets and all of that. Wheredo you see that actually falling out?
Is there going to be some sortof settlement? Do you think you can
actually end up being lawyers? Willwill dwell on the small details. I
don't believe that Oregon State and WashingtonState are going to be able to stop
everybody from joining whatever respective conference thatthey've decided to join. I don't think
that will happen. They will takeall the money going to the national playoffs.
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They'll deserve to take the money.I mean, they have to be
able to I don't disagree. Youknow, they have to be able to
pay their people. I mean,and if there's no TV contract, you
know, they have all these contractsthey have to honor. You know,
now, the endowment of the universitiescan pay for that, but that's never
been the case. You know.These athletic departments are self sustainable and always
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have been, which is why theykeep adding sports and all that, just
so they can have football to complywith Title nine. So you can play
football and make money. Yeah,and that's you know, that's the whole
crux of this. So yeah,I think they deserve to be paid.
But I think it'll just be amatter of people getting paid. And I
don't know what happens with those schoolsas far as where they'll go, but
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I think that they'll be able toget that money. And I think there's
money out there for them even inan independent TV contract if they had to
do that in a holding pattern fora short amount of time. I do
think those programs will survive. Beeve'sbetter shape than the Koops, Yeah,
I believe for sure. I thinkPetros should just get all the money since
he's calling all the games. Pee, where do we find you this weekend?
And with two games a great MountainWest game. I love this game,
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Wyoming at unlv U and lv runsthe go go offense which is just
hilarious. Two backs in the backfield, triple option but spread really really cool.
Are you paying attention? Lincoln MarionBrennan. He was a play caller
last year at NO. It wasn'ta play caller, that's why he took
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this job. But he was theOC at Texas last year anyway. And
then on Saturday, a middling Bigtwelve struggle between Cincinnati at Houston at four
o'clock Pacific, Well, we'll bechecking it out. We love your tea.
Thanks for doing this today on theFDA podcast, and have great calls
this weekend. All right, thankyou, all right, thanks again to
Petros Papadakis for joining us here.Check out the old p calling two games
(33:37):
at the same time, no,not quite the same time, bubbling up.
It's honestly the lord's work, yeoman'swork, whatever you want to say.
It's really impressive because you have toon a college football team. There's
like ninety guys. There are guyshave double jersey numbers. And by the
way, I will say to addinglayer to that, Adam, it's even
more difficult when you aren't there.You don't have a spot, or you
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don't have if you're sitting in astudio, you have extra TV feeds that
we don't get on television. Butstill there. It's a it's an added
layer of us struggling and to figureout what's happening when you're at not actually
on site. So we're talking abouttwo games. That's four teams memorizing almost
what four hundred players. Yeah,it's a lot, three hundred and fifty
players, and you're at a disadvantagenot being able to actually see the entire
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field live and in person. Heis still my radio hero, trying to
fight a real show, even itsays stuff like that. So thanks the
ODP for hopping on again. Ifyou want to leave us a voicemail,
you can. Nine seven eight elevenninety seven is the number for the Talk
Guess hotline. We'll try to getto them in a more timely fashion.
It may have been confusing earlier aswe're responding to something from a couple of
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shows ago. And that's our faultit is. I'll give you that,
Ryan, that's our fault. Yeah, we'll take the blame of that.
It was in your fault. Itwas hit us up on the socials on
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I'm not talking about. Go doget injured, Go do get injured.
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