Behind the Curtain: A Candid Conversation with Former Porn Producer Vic Lagina

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?

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So we're what we're gonna do today is we're going
behind the curtain.

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We're going behind the curtain with no other.

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Than Vic Lagina. Yes, I said Lagina, author of the
book Filthy. He's a legendary form of pornographer who has
helped shape some of the most iconic moments in adult entertainment.
Vick is here to talk about his journey, the highs
and lows and the lessons that I learned along the way.
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legendary off the filthy mister Vick Lagina.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
He Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
How are you? And thank you for having me on.
That was a great build up.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, ain't it.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, it's been a long long time since I've seen you.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was interesting when we started talking
about booking. I was like, that name is familiar. I
know it. So I look up, go on the computer check,
I pull up your ideas. Not only did I realize
you have the same birthday as me, You're just only
one year older. But I was like, that was the
day I shot you? That was literally in September of
twenty eleven. And wow, yeah, yeah that day was am

(04:05):
I allowed to use curse words or doctor watchma?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Go ahead, go ahead?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Okay? The website was Big Tits at school and it
was with Tommy Gunn and it was one of my
directors because we were really busy back then, so I
had multiple directors under me, and he is who shot
you that day?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, that was on my way out. That was one
year before I left out. I retired in twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Okay officially, yeah, when I officially.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
What caused you to leave? At that point?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know, it was a sign and I had a
little one that was coming that I was blessed with,
so it was time that I've always asked, when was
the time for me to leave?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
You know, I would give me the sign, and that's
exactly what he did for me.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
In front of the camera, but I still stay connected
within the industry, you know, through certain things.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, so for you, Vic, you know, let's let's go back.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Let's go tell us a little bit about your early
life on what were your dreams growing up and did
you ever imagine your path would take you to into
the industry.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
No, I didn't. I didn't aspire as a kid to
be a pornographer. However, I grew up outside of Philadelphia,
and I had a pretty normal childhood, aside from losing
my mother at age fifteen, which was kind of crucial
at a developmental stage of you needing a strong woman
in your life. At that point in time, it was

(05:30):
a pretty regular upbringing. I loved TV shows, movies, video games.
And then after you graduate, it was like, well, you're
supposed to expect it to go to college. So then
I went to Syracuse University in upstate New York and
got a degree at their communications school at New House
for TV and film production. So this is what I

(05:52):
was trained to do. So it's just odd, you know.
And then after freezing in Syracuse, I go south to
Miami and I start working in the mainstream side as
a production assistant and then elevate to an editor and
a producer and all of that while getting my masters
another degree in production, which was completely unnecessary, especially with

(06:15):
how I ended up. Right, But then I was like,
here's the weirdest thing. I was teaching college down in Miami.
So you have this guy with all this higher education
and then is teaching college, and how does he end
up in porn?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Right? Right?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, when you go around a corner, what happened?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well, so doesn't all of these stories kind of start
with a woman, you know, and a relationship that might
not have been a good relationship. But she was really pretty.
She was a model. We had taken on a production
we were doing in Jamaica, and we hit it off
down there, and she says, I'm thinking about moving to
LA would you like to come? And you know, I

(06:56):
had a comfortable life in Florida, but it wasn't what
I wanted to do. I wanted to make TV shows.
I wanted to make movies, you know, And so we
go there and uh, I'll sum it up. She she
she had a lot of trauma of growing up. She
stopped working to become a white female rapper at one

(07:16):
point that was what she wanted to do. I thought
it was a great idea because they were looking for
the feminem around that point in time. But the one
ball problem was I didn't have any work in LA,
so I was funding our dreams on credit cards like
like like a big dummy and accumulating debt. So all
of the jobs that were in LA were more like

(07:38):
interns or assistants, and I at that point I was
a college professor, I was a producer. Blah blah blah.
These jobs i'n't more qualified for. So if I had
humbled myself and maybe took a job and worked my
way up, the story would have ended different. Instead, I
answered an ad on adult staffing dot com for a

(08:00):
Mexican dude named Ricardo who wanted to shoot his own
porn movie and he was paying five hundred dollars, and
I'm like, yes, I could do this for you. And
I bullshitted him a little bit about it, and I
told him, I mean I could tell him I could
help him. I did have the experience, but I didn't
have experience in porn. So we go to Jim South's office,

(08:21):
smoky office with polaroids everywhere, and we pick out our
stars for the day, and my first day was April
of two thousand and two in a condo in the
valley where we shot four scenes that day, one of
which was with Ron, Jeremy and others that I actually
wound up seeing later later on when I was working

(08:43):
for Brassers, you know. So it was pretty wild. That's
how it started. That day itself, I would say, was
a little interesting for sure, especially since that was the
first day I was actually shooting people having sex on camera, right,
so so, but you know, there was one point where

(09:04):
people in the condo I'm not saying who it was,
we're smoking crack. Yeah, yeah, And I was like, uh,
you know, like this is not how I want to
run anything. So I guess what you could say is
that first day, I guess showed me that there's ways
of doing it and not doing things. So I applied
those lessons on how to run this thing legitimately should

(09:27):
I continue? And that day I met one person, then
met more people, and then slowly this porn snowball starts
to build. I'm very much in debt, so I have
to get out of La so I go back to Florida.
But I knew where to find the leads at that
time for content producers, it was go fuck yourself dot

(09:49):
com and I would scour those that page page like
every day looking for leads and wound up finding gigs
and eventually meet up with the dudes who would eventually
start a little site called Brawsers. Wow.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Wow. So let me ask you this.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know, you being a producer and director for a
lot of men, I don't want to say all men
in generalize and that's one that's a place that they
want to be. They want to be right there the
scene right there for your first day on set. I
know you said about the crack that you saw on set,
but for you, what was the other shocking thing that
you said?

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Oh what almost memorable?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Who was the very first person that you shot and
did they become a big superstar porn star?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So the first couple scenes, no, I think it was
either the second or third scene where we had Shase
Sites who Okay, So the the money couple that day
with Shay Sites and Nick Manning right where we were
paying top dollar I guess at the time for them.
So when you're paying top dollar, you expect top dollar.

(10:58):
And I have known not against Shay at all, but
Nick Manning was kind of a dick, and he was
even more so of a dick when his dick wouldn't
stay hard, so he started yelling at people. And so
I was like, okay, dude, I'm gonna remember this, and
it's funny years later when things are booming for Brawsers,

(11:19):
who wants to come shoot for me? Nick Manning? And
I'm like, no, not at all, man, because you were
a dick that day. So I guess the lesson is is,
you know, bring your a game when you show up
to set, but more importantly, like just be cool, you know,
be cool because it could affect you down the road.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Right, So let's go, let's let's move over to Florida
working with Brasers.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I remember when Brasers.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
First came out in the beginning, they like came in
like a little school boys, just coming in and doing
every thing because it was something totally different from everything
they were doing for you coming from a background of
you know, production or anything like that, with some of
your ideas brought to the forefront for them.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
No, I think really, I mean, they kind of knew
what they were doing. And the funny thing is, if
you really think about the humble, humble beginnings of brassers.
So I would be in a hotel room like this
is when I was really in the porn trenches in Florida,
of all places, and you're in this I want to
call it CD hotel, but it wasn't a nice hotel room,
and you're dealing, like with a couple that you're shooting

(12:25):
a scene. And so they were like, hey, hey, Vick,
we need a titfox scene. We like this model. We'll
pay you two hundred dollars. And so I'd be like,
all right, dude, do you have another one in you?
And he's like sure, why not? So split that two hundred,
one hundred to you, one hundred to me, and what
do you say? And we would knock out these really
quickie titfox scenes in hotel rooms in South Florida. Now

(12:49):
that's where it started. They started growing because if you
know about it, you nailed it. They were like these
young dudes, you know, these young frat bros out of
Concordia Universe in Montreal, and they knew how to market
porn on the Internet. So those little titfock scenes then
spawn into tit fox sites, butt sites and all of that,

(13:12):
and then they start getting a little more creative, like
Mommy Got Boobs and Baby Got Boobs and this is
and then Doctor Adventures that was like their first scripted
scene site. So they would have me shoot these and that,
I think is what sold them on me. Where this
dude can deliver. He's good, he's not messing with our money.

(13:34):
They met me face to face at that point in time,
and then what they said was, you know, if you
move out to LA and you tap into the LA market,
because Florida was pretty amateurish back then, so they said,
if you do that, we'll keep you very busy. And
the truth is, my debt was gone quick after I

(13:55):
started working full time and pouring down in Florida to
the point where now I had this boom and business.
And when the credit card debt's gone, you have a choice,
do I go back to normal square life or do
I follow this little munchkin of a career that could
be getting into mischievous places. And I chose to do that,

(14:18):
and that journey was quite interesting for I'd say a
good sixteen years after those Florida days.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Right, you, as a producer and a director, what would
you see as the biggest misconception of the adult industry.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I would love to say that they were. Everyone that
I worked with was as professional and as prepared as
I was, But that was not the case, you know
now for me being like coming from the mainstream side
and producing and understanding and respecting a budget and knowing
deadlines and all of that and really treating it like

(14:57):
a business, you know, I was. I think that served
me very well in the industry because I was always
prepared and I was always getting the job done. So
when you have people that I'm not asking anyone to
match my intensity because I was kind of a lunatic
in that regard, but just meet me halfway and I
will carry you the rest of the way. And those

(15:19):
that made it very difficult to even get to that point,
that was the biggest eye opener for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Now you say, now you're no longer in the industry
right now, So what was the reason why you left?
Cause you asked me that in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
So the journey of Brawsers went from three different ownerships
over time. They were first known as Mansef, then they
were man Win, and then they were mind Geek. And
I'll tell you each ownership had something a little bit different.
The Mansef guys. They took care of me. They treated
me like I was their workhorse. They respected me, all
of that. When they decided to sell because they were

(15:58):
getting squeezed by the math in Montreal that was going on,
they sold it to a dude named Fabian Filman Tallman,
whatever his name is, who was a software programmer. But
he bought them with money that he made from his invention,
which was NATS. It was a click tracking software, and
he wound up buying them out and then became the

(16:21):
great expansion where they where he was taking Wall Street loans,
nine figure loans and buying up everything. Now you got
to remember porn Hub is already going at this point
in time. Manseef created that, but now he is buying
every website, every tube site that is making money, effectively

(16:41):
becoming the porn monopoly slash the Evil Empire. Because I
don't know if you remember, I mean, what were your
thoughts about them back in the day around that time frame, you.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Know, it really did.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
It seemed like they were just buying up any in
everything that it was. It was more like a monopolized
type of situation because back in the day I think
we hear reality kings. We had browsers, you know, you
we had all of those different than before we knew it.
Everything was up under you know, that umbrella of things.
So you were just really working under one company. And

(17:18):
if I'm not correct, I believe man Will even came
over to a Playboy Radio for a time, Yeah, and
kind of took over there. And that's when I was
over there at Playboy Radio. So it was kind of like, Wow,
who are these people, where are they coming from.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
And how are they doing this?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And now that you talk about, you know, mafia money
and stuff like that, I kid you not.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
I'm like my eyes are shocked, Like really.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, I don't want to say it was mafia money.
But they were definitely pressuring the original owners, like those
skinny little frat boys. H well, you're going in with
a couple of big kick guns. They're gonna be like, yeah,
maybe we want to get out of the porn industry.
And so that's why they so and then they were
with Fabian, and Fabian expanded it and became this big

(18:05):
empire where I mean a lot of people were not
happy because they were seeing their copywritten material ending up
on porn Hub, and it was putting them out of business.
So a lot of people hated them around that time,
and that stayed for a moment. Well, then Fabian he
gets arrested for tax evasion, okay, And from there you
had a couple of people from inside the company buying

(18:26):
his shares, and you o the guy from Red Tube
buying his shares, and then they rebrand again to mind
Geek okay. And then that was when, slowly, over a
six year time period, where all of the joy of
the job slowly started to evaporate. You know, even though
during the man Win days they had money and they

(18:49):
were keeping us busy and we were doing live shows.
After the arrest and everything, then it was like constraining everything,
chiseling everyone down. And I'm not going to tell you
the money wasn't good, because there was a bullshit to
dollar ratio that I adhere to that would get me
to work every day and put up with all of
the nonsense that comes along with porn production. But slowly

(19:12):
it kind of just got worse and worse and worse,
where even though the money was still good, the concepts
we were shooting because we were just doing ad stuff
for porn hubs, so people would click on the ads.
That was really our mandate, and sometimes I was shooting
stuff that I was like, like, what in the fuck
are we doing today? Like the requests were getting so bizarre.

(19:35):
So you have that, and then you start getting into
the me too era and you get people getting outed
as abusers. Now there wasn't anything like that happening to me,
but I was starting to feel like the slope was
becoming a little slippery in a lot of ways, because
even though you're recording something consentually on camera, you are

(19:56):
dealing with porn and if someone levy's an accusation you
that are going to have to be forced to defend it,
whether it's true or not, and you have to go
through that entire process. So I was just kind of worried.
I kept always kept myself while I was in the
business in a low profile. But then what I started finding,
and this led up to write to COVID, was there

(20:19):
were performers born, say like from nineteen ninety six nineteen
ninety seven onward, grew up on iPhones, grew up on iPads,
social media, and the cues that we used, especially you
use from our generation like no stop, cut, any of
those words that you knew, Okay, we need to stop,

(20:40):
we need to regroup. They weren't saying these things. Instead,
they were just going through the rest of the scene,
and you're assuming everything's good, especially when you do the
exit interview and they say everything was cool and all
of that. But then you get you know, you hear
something a day later, or sometimes two weeks later in
the form of its week, sometimes two years later, which

(21:02):
was going on in the early days of the pandemic.
So you have all these things happening, and there was
a narrative of performers saying, well, I didn't call cut
because I just wanted to power through and get it
over with. And when you're looking at everything, especially like
I'm running camera, I'm looking at a small viewfinder, I'm
looking at focus and exposure and all of these things,

(21:25):
and I'm waiting to hear those words like gout, no stop,
and they're not happening. And for a while there the
company was kind of seeing things for what they were.
But I think everyone lost their minds during summer of
twenty twenty and people were posting things about things happening.
Someone talked about an incident that happened when they were

(21:47):
shooting with Marcus Dupre on my set, and I gave
a recap of it all, and I said, look, you
have to treat adults in the adult industry as adults,
and you have to expect them to be able to
speak up when they started validating the reasons why the
performers were not speaking up instead of really saying, hey,

(22:11):
maybe people need to be educated a little bit more,
and maybe we shouldn't shoot certain people that may not
have the ability to call cut or do the responsible
thing when a line has been crossed. So my feeling was,
you know, this is getting really hairy, and you know,
the business changed during that summer. You know, the only

(22:32):
fans took over and studio porn, which I was in,
was not really going to be as juicy to really
stay in it. You know, that's one thing that happened.
And then, you know, if you've been following the news,
the house of my geeks started to burn, and it
really came to a head when The New York's Times

(22:54):
released that article in twenty twenty about the trafficking victims
of pornob So all of this was happening during that summer,
So I mean you factor all that together. That was
a very long answer from me to tell you how
I exited and why.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
No, but thank you for sharing. I mean because it's
eye opening to a lot. And no, I didn't. You
know how you read something or you see a headline,
but you really don't go in. So I saw that,
but I really didn't go into detail because really, honestly,
around that time, of so many things that was happening,
it was Derek from La Direct that was going on.
It was just so many things that was happening around

(23:32):
in that that nice little span that it was just
all of negativity and bad things.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
The thing is, when people ask me.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
About my experience in the industry, I honestly don't have
a bad experience. Every set that I was on was
very professional and I didn't see any any drugs. If anything,
I saw week smoking. But you know that's what you
just see, you know everywhere.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
At a time when first I remember we used to
have to hold our IDs up. But that wasn't all way,
that wasn't always, but then it turned to where we
literally had to answer questions like you know, are you here?
You know on your own you know, cut into your yard,
do you know what you're doing? And those then that's
something that I did respect out of browsers that they
were doing that, and then everybody else was following suit

(24:18):
with that, especially the internet companies. We're doing that to
make sure that we know that we are on this
set to do ABCND and this is who you're on
the set with. There was a lot of things that
I've seen because, like I said, I was out in
twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
That was the last time that I shot my scene
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
But watching everything on fold on social media and stuff
like that, even some of the people that I've worked
with and I've had those questions, did they do that
to you?

Speaker 4 (24:46):
And I said no, you know, I was blessed not.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
To have that story going in, but I cannot take
away anybody else's experience from that. And you're right, we
did have these words that we would say. Even a
lot of the co stars that I talked to, and
it's like, what do you like you know, you know,
let me know. You know, We've had those conversations on
those sets even before we get into you know, having

(25:12):
this this scene in front of this camera. So you
being able to look at it from a camera and
not see it. I can see where that can be, Like, wow,
hold on this, this is a very slippery slope and
I only can do with my IIC and with my
gears here and don't hear for you have were you

(25:34):
ever subpoena to come to court on any of this
or is it just you just like I'm out because
it's just not aligned with me anymore.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I saw where it potentially could go. And now here's
the thing, Like, I mean, you seem like a no
nonsense individual and if the line was crossed, you would
speak up about it. And I applaud that, and that's
essentially what I expected from a lot of people. And
it was working with people from my generation and the
generation direct after those protocols you just mentioned about asking

(26:02):
the questions. I was doing that in the Florida days
because I thought it was just a good idea just
to have it on on camera. And so when you
mentioned it, that was something I did, something the Brawsers
people saw and then something they implemented with everyone, so
they could thank me for starting that, I guess, But
there wasn't really any subpoenas or anything like that. I

(26:23):
didn't want it to get that far. And you know, look,
when you're dealing with something as complicated as production, okay,
and now you're dealing with throwing sex maybe with two
people who have never worked together before, there's a lot
on your mind. You I called myself a professional plate spinner,
like always putting out flyers, always doing that stuff, especially

(26:44):
when you're doing like the Orgies live on the Internet
and you've got you know, ten performers, and you know,
a start time, a hard start time. I mean, this
was the chaos that I managed when I saw it
becoming a point where the rules were no longer making sense,
the ones that we're working for a very very long
time that were further being validated by the company. That's

(27:07):
what I'm like, all right, well, maybe I'm not the
guy anymore. Maybe someone from that generation or you guys
figure it out. Like it just didn't. It didn't make
sense because I just I sensed the danger and I
basically felt that any producer out there is essentially holding
a ticking time bomb where if they're going to shoot,
and you are shooting the wrong person, the unvetted person,

(27:30):
the ones that can't talk, well, all they have to
do is tweet something and it doesn't matter if it's
true or not. You still have to go through the
process of exonerating your name, and still you might have
that stink on you because someone read a tweet and
they didn't follow the rest of the story. You know.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, yeah, So let's talk about the You talked about
a little bit about the evolution in the industry with
only fans and all that. Well, you know, you come
from the Internet changed everything, and you when you were
doing your time with Slice like Brassers and Poorha, what
was the shift like from there too?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Only fans.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
So I started seeing people recording themselves and doing the
talent platforms when they were shooting on my production day,
and the head office was kind of pissed off about it,
and like we're trying to tell people don't do that
on our sets, blah blah blah. But it didn't really
start taking off until the pandemic when everyone was home masturbating.

(28:32):
You know, pornhub traffic went through the roof. But something
interesting happened was the bigger talent, the ones who went
through the porn trenches and built a name for themselves
and built a fan base. They started seeing crazy money,
and they're like, why on earth would I go back
to shooting for the studios? And then I'm thinking, well,

(28:53):
oh shit, if I stay with them, then I'm going
to be shooting like, not the top tier professional performers.
I'm gonna be shooting those mid level. Not to say
it that way, but they're not as versed, they're not
as professional. You're not gonna have a smooth day like
you're really like every day would be like a battle.
I felt was gonna was coming. And yeah, it just

(29:14):
really it. All of the names, the ones that you
looked forward to shooting, Probably we're not gonna be sitting
across your desk anymore, unless, of course, Brawsers put them
under contract, which they have done with a handful of performers.
And I question why it makes sense for the performers

(29:36):
from a money standpoint, when you know they have their
own brands and all of that. I questioned it. Maybe
you can answer, but I kind of felt it was
more vanity and prestige rather than a sound business decision.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think it's more of
building onto their brand, building more onto their brand. I
remember Brass has actually reached out to me probably about
five or six years years ago, and I said, no,
I'm out. I said, oh, no, I'm out. I said,
I've been out for a while. I'm out. And you know,
the prices are tempting when they bring the rate, but

(30:13):
it's like, no, i'm out. I'm building something you know,
new right here. But a lot of them that's on
with contracts, you being a contract performer, it is. It's
something very prestigious to have behind your name when building
your brand.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
So that is a part of the brand.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
So I hear you when you say of a vanity too,
but it's also a good business move, especially if you.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Know how to use your name in branding of it.
Does that make it?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it makes total sense. And I
mean I think the other thing too, is so I
think you would agree that the crew are the unsung
heroes of the porn industry. Talent is the product female
talent now, and I will tell you this, we paid
our male talent very well as well, because if you
don't have solid male talent, you don't have a scene

(31:02):
that day. I mean, they are your anchor. But I
was kind of seeing the fact that to keep a
performer to not just solely shoot for their platforms and
maybe make the money over at Brasser's and my Geek
and they're called a low now. I think the reason
is because like they're making all the money, so the

(31:23):
crews are the ones that are taking the hit on
the money standpoint. And to be honest with you, I
stayed in it because I just knew, like, dude, it
sucks sometimes, but just keep working, keep banking, reinvests, invests
in other things, because when this is all over, you know,
you should have a nest egg. And fortunately I do.

(31:45):
And I made a lot of moves on my own
that the company didn't know about, namely buying the second
studio that we operated out of and leasing it to them,
which they never ask questions about all of that. No,
they didn't. And when they told me to downsize, like
you saw that first studio, it was huge. It was

(32:07):
sixteen thousand square feet ridiculous, right, But I was like,
you know, man, if I had just bought this thing,
I would have been sitting pretty So I did that
for the second time. When they told me they needed
to be downsized, we downsized, but I bought that motherfucker
and I kept it afloat for six and a half years,
and once it was all over and I was like, okay,

(32:28):
we are officially done. I'm not gonna be fucking with
OnlyFans or performers in any way. I got myself a
tenant for that building, and then I sold the tenant
and the building to an investor and I made double
my money in six and a half years. And so
with that and the money I saved and invested in
porn Equals Happy Viclagina, Essentially, I.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Would have to use a little smart little cookie as
that we say that that was a smart move.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
It really was.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That was well, it wasn't without risk, you know, because
if any of it imploded at any given time during
the entire career, especially with me leasing out that big
sixteen thousand square foot studio, things could have gone side
was the plane could have crashed into the mountain at
any given time. But my whole thing was I'm just
going to keep working and keep my head down despite

(33:21):
how I feel, and just keep making the money. Do
we freeze?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yes? We did? Well, we are Okay, we're back.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Okay, did you catch that last part to it?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I got to say that again.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
That yeah, I think that's the case. No, No, I
think I think the truth is is that because I
faced potential financial implosion because of taking these risks, because
of feeling like a gut, a gut feeling. Yeah, it
could have imploded, but I kept it together and I
kept working. And then fortunately when COVID hit, I was

(33:59):
in a sound financial position where okay, like we'll be
all right, we'll be all right if we walk away now.
And then the thing is like the mass exodus from
La to Vegas really helped me out. And I closed
this this deal for the studio literally before inflation happens.

(34:20):
Like it was like the timing was just so perfect
that I'm just like, hey man, all the blood that
I donate and all the dogs that I've saved over
the years, Like the karma came back and it was like, hey, dude,
you're good. You were a good dude. So now you're
gonna have some nice, easy time right now. And so
it worked out for.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Me, all right, So now let's go let's go to
postporn because this is what we talk about postporn now,
and this is where the book Filthy has come into.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
What made you write that book? What you say, Well, It.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Started in twenty fifteen as a journal Yeah, because at
that point I'm in the business thirteen years. And at
that point I would say it was a dark time
within the industry. You know, the journey was a constant,
you know, don't fall into darkness, stay in the light.
Very tenuous, it was a fine line, and around that

(35:12):
time I would say I would be the darkest. You know,
you're doing the wrong drugs. In my case it was cocaine,
which I never thought that I would have a cocaine
addiction or abuse it as I did. But you know,
we were busy a lot of the times, and so
one short fire way to get energy is to just
do a caterpillar rail and you're ready to, like, you know,

(35:36):
shoot the three live shows you might have the following day.
So you know, it was around that time I was
just thinking I need to get out of my head
into a tangible form. And writing was very cathartic because
I got it from birth until that moment of my life.
And you sit back and you're like, whoa dude, you're

(35:56):
going pretty hard in the paints. You're burning the candle
at both ends. Perhaps it's time to make better life decisions.
So that helped in a lot of ways, like journaling
all of that, and every time we would have a shutdown,
you know, someone pops for HIV and you're in moratorium,
I would go back. I would update the whole book

(36:16):
again or the journal, and then it kept going to
that process, and it happened again in twenty twenty. But
I wasn't sure what I was going to do with it,
and the story was the story of Vick Lagina hadn't
ended yet, but it was starting to during the pandemic.
And once I sold that building and I was sitting
pretty it was like, all right, now, what you know?

(36:39):
So that's where the idea of publishing the book and
writing something unique and special that is all encompassing about
the porn industry, not specifically my journey. That's part of it,
because my life was a bit of a shit show,
especially when you talk about relationships in porn, because I

(37:00):
had my doozies in there and so they shaped me
and my relationships after that. But I thought that people
would appreciate knowing what it'd be like to walk in
my shoes for a while. And also a dude that
had the front row seat to the company that became Browsers,
that changed porn forever. So it was a bit of
a unique experience. And then the truth is is, like

(37:20):
me and Browsers, we didn't end on good terms and
they didn't have me sign an NDA for some fucking reason. Yeah,
and they were offered to they could have gotten me
so cheap. But if you really want to like kind
of sum up Brawsers at that point, where mind geek
at that time arrogance and shortsighted and greedy. So you know,

(37:44):
they could have shut me up, but they didn't. So
now I'm sitting here, I'm doing well, I've got all
of this, I'm processing it and so finishing the book
and really just kind of processing what it's like when
you're no longer a porn direct for brassers and you're
reassimilating into civilian life again, and you know, it's that

(38:07):
was interesting, and that was cathartic. And then then it
was like, all right, we're going to release this thing,
and we're going to make this as bad of a
motherfucker as we possibly can, and we are not going
to hold anything back. We are going to be brutally honest.
So you know, a big part of this budget was
my lawyers, you know. They Yeah, they did a full

(38:28):
comprehensive to have me write it a certain way where
if someone would assume me, the wind would fall out
of their sales pretty quickly. That's pretty much how I
did it. So I applied every sense of business acumen
that I had, as well as a big creative force
to write a book that is very tight in the

(38:50):
narrative and intriguing. For those who have read it, it's
it's gotten really good reviews. I've gotten really good feedback,
and there's a lot of humanity and a lot of
brutal honesty in the book, especially when it comes to myself.
So it resonates with a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
You know, that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
It was something that you said about being in the
industry and how it's being able to shape you or
who you are today, just knowing you know, a lot
of misconception of when you know, when they think of
people going into the porn industry that we are shit
shows or you know, just a little bit or nothing.
You know, with my journey is I always say that

(39:30):
me going into the industry was probably one of the
best things that can happen for me personally because it
has shaped a part of who I am and my
character and allow me to have a platform like this
and my other ones to be able to speak I'm
about talking about self love, talking about self discovery, talk
about all of those things because you are forced to

(39:51):
make those choices and those decisions.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
In that time.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
You know, I speak a lot about all my way
to set and praying in my car, those my moments
of mindfulness. Those were my moments to be clear so
when I do get onto those sets that I am
clear minded for whatever thing is happening around me. And
so it kept me connected more spiritually than ever being
on those sets. But also I was able to meet

(40:15):
some amazing people during you know that time. I think
that's one of the businessconceptions of that everybody is creeped there,
perverted diversion and nothing.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's a lot of people, yeah they are.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
You know, we got some perverted people over there, but
you know people on there that are very creative. A
lot of people use that as a few for money
to be able to get out of situations.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Then also people wanted to be.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
There and enjoy the company that they have, And so
I love the way that you said that even through
your journey, even through your your drug addict and everything like.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
That, you've learned something from that. You've learned something from that.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
And if anybody that's watching this right now could understand
is that the trials and the tripulations that we go
through in life, these are gifts that we have and
we take them as learning experience for teachable moments. So
right now, what you're doing this is a teachable moment,
even within your book, even with just seeing with me
on this live show right now and just doing it.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
And I command you from.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Doing it, I really do, because everybody are not willing
to sit in.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Their truth and share that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that
was the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And I did learn about it, and I don't dwell
on the past because I learned all of those lessons
that I need to. And the other thing is I
don't really worry about the future either because very little
I can control about it. So every day for me
now is just waking up and enjoying the day and
being present. So and I got to that point eventually.

(41:45):
I think The truth is that was very revealing is
when I talk about the people who died that I
knew in the business and how they died, and researching it,
and it was revealing to me that not only to
have energy to work, especially with how busy we were,
but there was a lot of darkness around me as well,
and a lot of the performers that I were working

(42:07):
with were in very dark places. And the only way
really to not let that really sink in is to
numb yourself. And I realized that when I was writing
their obituaries or reading their obituaries and then putting a
passage about their experience and my experience with them. So

(42:28):
you know, it was eye opening that way. And I
think when people read the book, they were seeing a
lot of the humanity that goes in and really just
painting it in really detailed strokes to really understand that
there's a lot going on in the porn industry making it,
but also those in it, and trying to again stay

(42:51):
in the light and not fall into darkness. And I
easily could have, you know, I say, COVID happened. It
was a blessing, even though watching the money go away
when I was waking up happy every day, and more importantly,
I wasn't doing cocaine anymore, so therefore, I wasn't going
to get a bad batch that had ventyl in it

(43:11):
and killed me, you know, so in some ways I
survived it. Yeah, in a lot of ways, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
So now I know you got a lot of wild
stories to share, being on no sets and stuff like that.
So can you share a couple of the most memorable
moments that you experienced during your time in the industry.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
So one thing I really talk about, like, I really
love leaning into the bizarre and awkward and uncomfortable. I
think that makes for more interesting reading because I think
if you write about porn in a way in essential way,
well that's erotica. I wanted to kind of really go
full shit show and all of that, and you know,

(43:50):
maybe I guess that's the right term. But I talk
about when anal scenes go sideways, especially in a live event,
you know, I talk about it in the book. Uh
do you remember Jordan ash is that name? Ring a bell,
white girl, white white guy, big tal He was. He
was a male performer, so he's no longer with us.

(44:11):
He died of a brain tumor in twenty twenty. But
he was like a hard working soldier of mine. When
it came to per performers, and and and scenes. But
we were doing a live show and I'm not going
to say her name, but when you're doing anal live,
preparation is all important, it really is. And look, we

(44:33):
had measures going in and I would say performers trusted
us that you know, if you're shooting or in my
case it was Huggy who was shooting those like as
the cameraman. But there was a process like you you
don't show the penetration, the initial penetration and removal because
you want to make sure it's clean and you don't
want to embarrass the performer. Well, one of the performers,

(44:58):
you know, she is talking about how she was a
vegan and you know, didn't have to worry about prep
and was also drinking a very large coffee and I'm
thinking these are all huge no nos before you're gonna
do live anal orgy. Well, long and short of it,

(45:18):
there was basically liquid pooh all down Jordan Ash's torso
during that live show that the audience had no idea happens.
And he was good, he was unflappable. He gets up,
he goes to the wiping station, wipes it all off,
gets himself right back into battle, and that was it.
So a lesson learned, ladies and gentlemen, is, if you're

(45:41):
going to do a live anal shoot, prepare accordingly. Don't
drink coffee, and certainly don't eat like beans and plantains
or whatever else you're putting in there, because it'll make
a big giant mess. I mean, that's just one of
the stories. I tell you. This book is chock full
of the shit I just spouted. So I really wanted

(46:04):
to take people along from the ride. And look, I'm
really good at dancing on the line and like not
being overly gross. But you're gonna get a little dirty,
You're gonna get a little filthy by reading it. And
I think that's all part of the fun, because it's
it's not always blow jobs and rainbows, as we would.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Say, No it is not.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
And as you said, I'm just picturing this whole scene
just going on my Yeah, that's happening with it all right.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
So let's talk about duality. Let's talk about dualities.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Talk about being a businessman in this billion dollar industry
while navigating your personal life.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
How did you balance the two?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
A lot of drugs and alcohol, No, I'm serious. How
did I do it? Well? You know, I think the
important thing was when I got into the business and
decided to make a career out of it, it was
very important to me to not lose my soul. So
I looked at myself in the mirror and I'm like, dude,
do not lose your soul. And it was it was
a battle daily because look, you can get tempted by

(47:06):
a lot of things, and I was single for a
lot of the time in the industry, which could lead
to really ridiculous encounters, and they definitely happened. But then
there was also like the personal relationships. Now I'm I'm good.
Now I've got I've got a wonderful woman, I'm so
crazy in love with her. We are we are happy,

(47:27):
which if you look at my resume, you're like, Okay,
someone learned their lesson along the way, because from my
choices pre porn to some of the poorn relationships, they
weren't the most functional relationships, and a lot of it
was me. You know, I think when I was trying
to date when I first got into Vegas, uh, probably

(47:49):
because it was in Vegas, you know, and you don't
really have a lot of really good options out here,
but I found that people are women that were interested.
It was more of a novelty, you know, where, Oh,
I want to talk to this dude because he's in porn,
but reality check, I can't handle it. So what I

(48:09):
would do is kind of get in relationships with some
broken porn chicks because I felt that it was I
had to compromise, you know, if I was going to
be in porn. Yeah, I don't think that way anymore,
but these were the relationships, Like I had some bad
ones that you just need one really really bad one,

(48:31):
and I did have it, which I talked about in
my book that get you to set the tone for
your future relationships. And the one after that, I'm not
going to tell you that was harmonious and not dysfunctional,
because it was. But that was kind of when I
was a little bit of a scoundrel in the business,
cheating on her and doing whatever I wanted and doing

(48:52):
a lot of cocaine. I mean really, it's just like,
if you want to just like kind of think about
like the most excessive you could be in porn. That
was during that phase. And then once that relationship happened,
which then started my process of writing the book. That's
when I'm like, Okay, no more relationships, you know, unless

(49:12):
they're right, and let's just kind of be smart and
spend our personal time with people. It was still women
in the industry, but there were barriers up where it
wasn't going to be letting myself get too close and
really vetting who I was spending my time with, because

(49:34):
my house in my space is like my personal bubble
of bliss and whatever energies you bring in are going
to affect it. So that was me for a while,
and I would say like staying in the light, you know,
whenever work was becoming too much, because you know, when
you're talking about people you met in the industry, I

(49:55):
didn't really resonate on a very close level with many
people in the industry. Just not a lot in common,
you know. I always felt myself like at porn functions
like awkward, like wanting to jump out of my skin,
Like I didn't feel at ease. Where I did feel
at ease was at music festivals, doing a lot of
LSD and hanging out with with like happy, sparkly, bright people,

(50:18):
And so it seemed to be the way to stay
in the light.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
So, so that was really how to stay focused. And
for me, you know, business was always instinctual, you know,
always be prepared, you know, always be on top of
all the details. I mean, I was running this thing,
you know, sometimes eighteen hours a day, even if I
wasn't on set that long. So it was really just
a matter of just trying. It was a tight wire situation.

(50:51):
You know, You've got these crazy encounters with porn stars.
You're trying to run a business, You're trying not to
die unsure. So I mean, you know, that was like
kind of the story and I really just wanted to
capture that essence in the book, and I think in
a lot of ways writing it also helped save me.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Right, that's you know, I love that you're sharing that
now you have Pamcha.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
You got a question. Yeah, you know, just reading through
the book.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
Ever read up, but I saw you got a school
of porn section in the book. Yeah, I wasn't one
of the wowed at the most eye opening lessons you've
included in the book.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah. Yeah, well those I think are my favorite. Yeah.
So there's nine lessons of vic Lagina's School of Porn,
and some of them go into different areas. You know.
Lesson two is what to do when she's on her period.
I think less than four might be squirt or p
or prepping for anal or my most important one, I
think it's less than six hygiene. Okay, hygiene is huge.

(51:55):
And I marveled in the fact that a lot of performers,
female performers had no concept of it, you know, and
it's like, like, that is your money maker. Shouldn't it be?
Like in tip Top, shouldn't it? So I talk about it,
especially when you have encounters in your personal life and
telling people that there are remedies for this sort of thing. Uh,

(52:18):
if you start getting that funk boric acid, but very important,
do not eat the boric acid, as it will kill you. You know,
it's a suppository, but that will clear it up. But yeah,
I'm glad that you like those lessons because yeah, that's
those are my favorite, to be honest with you, out
of the whole book. That was like my favorite writing them.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
All right, So let's do this. I want to I
want to open it up for questions. If you don't mind,
do you mind, go for it?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I love answering questions.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
All right, My BTG crew. I didn't even say hi,
do y'all. Hey, I see y'all in the comments coming
and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
So hey, hey to all of you guys, if you
got any questions, Docta might might just gonna put it
up there and come on in and join in with
it and feel free to ask anything about his career.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
He said.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
He is an open book with it all, with it all.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
So let me ask you this, who.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Was the most memorable? Yeah, I'm ask you this. Who
was your favorite to work with?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
It's a common question and it's a little bit of
a cop out answer, but I will give you names
after that. My favorite performer was one that made their
flight in the morning and didn't miss it and arrived
on time with a big happy smile on their face, prepared,
ready to work, happy to be there, and always just

(53:48):
ready to go. Because for me, all I wanted to
do every day was get home to my dogs, you know,
And and that was my mission every day, Like, let's
get this going, let's all get paid, let's have a
good time. But I got to get back to my dog,
so let let's go. And when someone was there to
do that, I loved it, you know. The funny thing

(54:09):
is I don't really remember a lot of those days
because those are the days that went well, you know.
And when I was going through my archives and trying
to remember stories, I was going through so many envelopes.
Like literally, I shot or produced three thy seven hundred
and ninety two scenes over my career, and I have
all of the paperwork for it. And I was I

(54:31):
was amazed at like a lot of them. I was like,
I do not remember any of these days at all.
But the reason was is because they went according to plan.
When they go sideways, of course you can remember that.
So so names Phoenix Marie, I will say she was
one of them. I knew when she would show up
that we were just going to have a rock and
day and it wouldn't be a problem. I really don't

(54:54):
want to, you know, give shout outs to to Brasser
contract performers because whenever. But Luna Star, do you remember her?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
She was another one where come on set and it's like,
you know you're gonna have a great day, so you
know you would have you would have some of you're
just you're looking at your list, You're like, ah shit,
ah shit, Okay, her then are gonna have a good
day that day, and you knew what to expect. So
so yeah, those are a couple of names I would
tell you that I really enjoyed. There's a lot more,

(55:24):
you know. Julia Anne was always great. I love the
fact of how many dogs that she has saved over
her lifetime, Like like, if you believe in heaven, her
spot is secure because of all the dogs that she
has saved. Nicky Hunter she was another one, another great
one that was just like like like you just you

(55:45):
get intoxicated by her, her essence essentially, you know, because
she's so light and bright and all that. But then
you have, like, you know, sometimes your terrors, like your
shit shows. And if there was one shit show that
I would say I had fun shooting would be Angelina Valentine.
Do you remember her? I mean it got bad for

(56:05):
her towards the end, Like I was like, we can't
shoot her anymore because I think mentally she's she started
to go insane. Like I'm not a doctor, but I'm
pretty sure she's she's losing her mind here. So but
but when she was there, you knew it was gonna
be like a show, especially if it didn't involve anal
because she was getting booked for anal but she hated it,
you know, so those those scenes were not easy to shoot.

(56:28):
But a boy girl with her, yeah, you were, you were,
You were definitely gonna have a good day that day.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Mmmm.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
You said some of my favorites Phoenix and and Hunter.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Oh yeah, I love that. Yeah, yeah, I love those two.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
We we've done a lot of scenes together, but also
just been in Those are some of the people that
I talk about when I talk about good people.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Yeah, good people. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I had the privilege I saw Huggy. I just went
back to a VN for the first time I have
been there in a while, and I actually saw Huggy
this year and it was good to you know, he
had lost a lot of weights, so I was just
staring at him because of his face, but I didn't,
you know, and I said, okay, So it was good
to kind of go back and just to see everybody,

(57:16):
because just like you, when when you leave the industry,
you kind of try to finding who you are outside
of that that perimeter in who you are and that energy.
So I'm very selective on the energy that I have
around me as well as you to make sure that
I am.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
I am staying in that light.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well good yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I talk about Hugging in the book quite a bit. Uh,
you know, the thing is with him and maybe he's
in a better place now, but but that dude was
always gutting for my job and really being reminding about it. Yeah.
So so he takes his shots in the book, and
I mean it doesn't come without proof, like the things
that he would say to people that I was, let'll

(58:02):
plus you like this. They came up to me like, dude,
watch Huggy, he's looking to stab you in the back.
And they would explain what was going on. Yeah, and
he was really gutting from my job. But the thing
was is and this is what really sucks, And this
is what for those that I talked about in the book,
it's because I put like I put money in their pocket.
I gave them jobs even when they were fucking up,

(58:24):
or even in Huggy's case, they wanted me to fire
him early on in his career, and I literally was like, dude,
we need him because there was a certain point they
were sending down Canadians that I would train in vic
Lagina's School of Porn and the problem was they didn't
give them visas. The company didn't give them visas. So
you keep sending Canadians down, Eventually they're gonna be like,

(58:47):
wait a minute, something's going on here, and they hold
him up with the border. Well, with Huggy, he was
an American. He was allowed to work here, and more importantly,
he respected the dollar, and so I needed him to work.
But they didn't really like him and they didn't really
trust him, but I needed him to work, and I'm like, guys,
I will make sure this dude works. So when you

(59:09):
have a guy that you are putting money in their pocket,
saving their job, giving them livelihood, and they're trying to
stab you in the back and take your job, that's
when you're like, all right, motherfucker, I see you. But
I'm going to have to play this situation in a
very Machiabellian kind of way because you're working and I'm

(59:29):
making money too. And it was kind of like a
Godfather kind of scenario, like got to keep your friends close,
but your enemy's closer, and if I cut him loose,
who knows what havoc he could have reeked upon me.
So when I say, hopefully he's in a better place,
and he's not conniving like he is. I would say, okay,
you know, that's fine, But there are others. You know,

(59:51):
I call him in my book fucked Hard. That's his name,
fuck Hard, because here's a dude, big time stoner, and
he is a PA and he asserted himself pretty well.
But you know there's certain people that go to gravitate
towards the business for the wrong reasons, you know, to
be around porn chicks and try to get laid. Well.

(01:00:12):
Fuck TRD was from this ilk. Now. The thing was
is it was getting back to me that he was
taking his dick out during rides from into the airport.
And you know, it happened once and then it happens twice,
And I say, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire. Yeah,
And so you know, I also saved his job too.

(01:00:35):
I kept trying to help this individual and keep him working,
and once I let him go, that motherfucker called Osha
on me as retribution. So yeah, he's known as fucked
Hard in the book. And yeah, so I do throw
some of the people under the bus, but there's good
reason for.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
It, right right, And I want to make this clear
because I know when you kind of kind of intertwine.
And so when he saw about fuck Tar, he's not
exactly He's not talking about Huggy, right, No, Huggy, Yeah,
I hugg He's Huggy. It is a that's that's two different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, two different people. Yeah, there's there's
a there are a few others.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Look, you you hire people in poorn. You're an employer.
You expect things of people. Sometimes if they are gonna
leave on bad terms, there's no way to avoid it.
But dude, like, don't call Osha on me. Don't try
to make life difficult for me, you know, uh, don't
try to steal my job. You know, like this is
these are the things that drove me nuts because you know,
it was already a hard climate anyways. You had people

(01:01:40):
not making money in porn because porn h put him
out of business. So it was very doggy dog and
I'm looking out for myself from outside forces. You're hoping
that the people within you that you are paying and
keeping employed are not eating your ass too, but they are,
you know, so so that was also part of the journey.

(01:02:00):
But you know, you kind of learn and you know,
it's the cost to be the boss.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah. Correct, All right, so we got a question for you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
Yeah, it's from Bruks and he said, Big, is there
anything you haven't had the chance to do that you
would like to check off your bucket? Lits inside or
outside of the industry?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, like outside the industry. So you know, look, I
did okay as a mainstream producer of corporate videos, but
you know that's kind of boring. Now I'm a published author,
so I check that off. But would it be cool
if this gets turned into something like a movie or
a TV show or something. So I think that's really

(01:02:41):
what I hope for this. This is what I'm putting
out into the universe. It's written like it could easily
be a television show that is real about porn, because
you know, there's some good porn product movies out there,
like Boogie Knights and the others, but they're very rare,
and every time I see them, I'm like, that's both
that is conjured, that is fake, but this is all real.

(01:03:03):
So I'm very much a part of it. So the
one thing that I did do before I left my
studio sold it everything was you know, I had these
two studios under my control for a good portion of
these years. Yet all I was doing was shooting movies
that ended with a facial and I didn't do anything creative.
So before I vacated, I shot this seventy to eighty

(01:03:25):
minute It was supposed to be movie of sorts, basically
six Days of a Pornographer. And while I was waiting
for this dude to deliver a cut of it, that's
when I really went to work on Filthy and finishing
up the book. But because he took so long and
finally when he delivered his cut, I was very underwhelmed.
I turned the footage into a trailer for the book,

(01:03:48):
so if you go to vic Lagina dot com you
could see that trailer. And for you fans out there,
there's porn stars in it, and there's porn star bovies,
so go check it out. And I think if you
look at it, you'd be like, Okay, dude, I kind
of see what you're talking about. Where I could see
this as being a television show. So that is the
answer of what I would love to do, to work

(01:04:08):
on something like this that is a mainstream production. That
would be the dream, that would be the Okay, I
can die now and I'm good, Like I I think
I did everything I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Definitely be something like on Netflix, you know, like you
know or yeah, okay, so you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, there's there's been a couple of producers kicking the tires,
but you know, you wait for the right one, the
person that gets it. That trans translates my my interesting
perspective on this into a visual form, because that is
what would make this thing work. Is like you gotta
kind of you know, pepper it with a little of
the weirdness and a little bit of the bizarre and awkward,

(01:04:48):
because I think that makes from work compelling television.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yea, yeah, so your name Vic Lagina Vick Vagina Laga.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Yeah where why like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Oh oh so where to come from? Okay, So in
the beginning, I guess my first day on set, I
was known back then and this was very brief as
ned would you know. It was like a play on Edwood,
you know, like like you know, he was the worst
director ever, So I'm gonna be like the worst porn
director ever in like a campy kind of way. But

(01:05:25):
that joke kind of went over everyone's head, and you know,
at that point in time, I thought that the business
was run by the mafia, so I need like an
Italian sounding name, you know, like so they don't mess
with me, you know, And so eventually it was like Vic.
But then I have a friends I call him the Senator,
and he has a unique ability to come up with

(01:05:47):
these funny things that have really no use or purpose
in real life. And in this case, he's like, I think,
you know, if you called yourself Dick Regina, that would
be hilarious. And I was like, dude, you are absolutely
right because I always looked at porn like you can't
take the ship seriously, so certainly my name would have

(01:06:08):
to reflect that. And for me it was kind of like, uh,
you know, just watching it still go over people's heads
because they say like Vic Lagina or Vic Lagina and
I'm like no, or then someone like two years like, dude,
I had no idea that was your name. I'm just
getting it now. I'm like, hey, man, at least you

(01:06:29):
got it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, you know, I when I said remind me because
I knew it was Leagina, but I was like, I
don't know if.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
That's really it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I love it, And like they like say, and
you know what, you're not the first person and you're
not gonna be the last. They always say, so, how
do you say your last name? And I'm like, dudel Gina.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
You know, it's fine, you know it was kind of playoffer,
but I just want to make sure.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Like, okay, absolutely, So we talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
The relationships in the industry and how and you said
that you really did have any So now that you're
outside of I mean you out of the industry right now,
are you still connected with anyone from the industry that
we're able to be in the same light as you now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah? Yeah, No, I still talk to Phoenix. She actually
made need me for her case against the company because
she issuing them. I'm not sure if you're aware of that.
And I guess really to prove my point about where
porn was going in terms of it being a slippery slope,
she was on a scene out in Barcelona with and

(01:07:43):
Danny Dee, who is a performer who's now a performer
and a producer and director. There was a new performer.
She had an incident. That incident is under dispute. The
company says that Phoenix gave this girl Lithia. Phoenix is saying, no,
it was the makeup artist who was also the girlfriend

(01:08:06):
of Danny d gave her her lithium and this girl
had an episode and ambulance need to be called like
a poort producer's worst nightmare basically, So this is what happened.
And so I look at that event that day and
I'm thinking, you know, you could put the two most
professional people in the business in the same room together
and shit can still go sideways. So she was willing

(01:08:31):
to just kind of let it go. But they made
the mortal mistake of saying and using Phoenix's daughter's death
as a way to say, you need to cope, you
need to deal with this. They brought it into her
and listen, I will tell you that Phoenix has every
right to be pissed off that they would use that.
I mean, if you look up, there's an article in

(01:08:52):
the Daily Mail that details the entire story if you
want to verify what I'm talking about. But I still
talk to her Ronica av Love, I'll hear from on occasion,
but to be honest with you, and I think this
still is a testament of because the company's still has
such a stranglehold on the business and because me and

(01:09:14):
them didn't end on good terms, a lot of them
don't really want to talk to me because they don't
want to piss them off, you know. So it's okay,
you know, I think in some ways it was a
little bit of a bummer, especially with women that I
had a very like intimate moments with that I invited
into my space and you reach out, hey, how are

(01:09:35):
you doing? Are you okay? Like how's your mental health?
And you get ghosted? You're like, okay, well, I mean cool,
you know, at least I know where I stand. But
that would kind of sum up a lot of what
was going on, you know. Once I left Brawsers and
it was like like I didn't dwell on it. It
was like, okay, fucked up, moving on to the next thing,

(01:09:57):
and you know, I see you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Now right all right, thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
So we we do have someone on on the line
with us right now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Hey, rock car, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Hey, what's Haiden man?

Speaker 8 (01:10:10):
It's been a little while.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
How you bound been good? Good? Good? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
This what's Hadden? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
You got a question?

Speaker 8 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I got a question. I was actually think about
this question about a week ago, and I was thinking
let's say we know there was like a let's say
your era of Corn and they had like a reality show.
Which you think will fight the most on the reality show?

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Well, I shot it, actually, I mean we shot this
thing called Brasser's House, the very first Brassers House. I
shot that in twenty fourteen. And I'll tell you something
like that. That shoot almost broke me for a lot
of reasons because, I mean it was a very high budget.
We had about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars on
the line. We had twelve performers there under one roof,

(01:11:03):
and there was a lot of people like at each
other's throats. But I would tell you the time it
got most contentious. Well, there's two moments. These were during
live shows that we were shooting. There was one where
aforementioned Phoenix, Marie and Bridget b almost got into a
fight on Browsers Live five. There was beef between them

(01:11:26):
about a dude of what else you know, And during
the show they were talking shit to each other and
at one point I think Phoenix or no, Bridget threw
water on Phoenix. Phoenix then grabbed Bridget by the weave
and yanked her down to the canvas, and I mean
made for great television. But you know, you're like, we're

(01:11:48):
getting a little Jerry Springer here, you know, that's what's happening.
And then they were like, wow, people are talking about
this all the time. So then there was another live
show and it was Jinksmith with Jennifer White. Now Jennifer
White is doing very well right now, you know, but
back then she was fighting some demons and let's just

(01:12:10):
say she didn't make it to the live show because
she passed out with a butt plug in her ass.
And before that even happened, Jinks and Jennifer were already
chipping away at each other, and you know, there was
already that bad blood well post scene, when we're still
rolling cameras, Jinks sees Jennifer, who had just wakened up

(01:12:34):
from her stupor, and said, ah, what happened there? And
Jennifer was like talking shit. And at one point Jenks
took off her heel and had it in her hands,
and I'm thinking, this bitch is about to put a
heel into Jennifer White's skull. And so we had to
have a production assistant grab you know them and separate them.

(01:12:56):
But I told the head office. At that point, I'm like, look, okay,
you went Jerry Springer, you like that in the live shows.
That's fine, But for every one of these, I need
three Steves. Steve was like his his bald bodyguard, you know,
like I need someone there like if it gets chaotic,
like for liability purposes. So yeah, that was Uh, those

(01:13:17):
were those days where I'm like, damn, that was insane.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Yeah, that's sound insane.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
And you know, I don't know if people know is
you know, like Phoenix Marie is probably about five ten
five nine and Bridge of b is probably like five
two five. Even imagining that going happening going on, like wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah, yeah, I would never want to tussle with Pheters Marie.
I'll tell you that, Like she would roundhouse my ass.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Rod. You got any more questions, baby, Nah, that's about it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:56):
I was just thinking that. The other day. It's like life,
they had the reality show like which porn star is
the most violent? Like who would get you? Like all
those greatest people would be looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yeah, I mean Jory Lane was always a loose cannon
for sure. I don't know if you remember her, and
I remember there was a scene with her and Angelina
Valentine and I swear to God like Ramone Spanish Ramone.
You know, he was he was one of my favorites.
He was the male talent, so he was fine. He
didn't lose would But I wasn't sure if these two

(01:14:26):
were gonna fuck or fight. Like I remember there was
one point where Tori like balled her fist up and
she was like feeling like she was gonna crack her
in the back of the head. But that never happens.
So I was, you know, sometimes you're rolling cabin, You're like, shit,
I'm gonna keep rolling until I need to call cut
or or they call cut. So I kept that one

(01:14:46):
going and fortunately no incidences were or donkey punches were
had that day.

Speaker 8 (01:14:54):
So it's not like you need to get you some security, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, well right, thank you for stopping in, stepping in.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
It's been a it's been a minute. Yeah, it's been
a nice manner.

Speaker 8 (01:15:08):
Yeah, definitely. It's always a pleasure, you know, to chat
on your should man, you're doing big things. Shout out
to everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Yo, I appreciate you have a good rock you all
write my beautiful people. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
This is Accentia Podcast I'm your host Banks and we
are here within. He is the author of the book Filthy.
I'm excited to read. I haven't been able to really
get in it get into it, but now I really
want to get into it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
I want to really want to read it. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Well, let me ask you something. Do you prefer books
or do you prefer audio books?

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Audio? Actually?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Okay, actually work.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
And do things at the same time by listening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, okay. So do you have a Spotify account?

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Okay, Well, you can then stream my audio books for
that I narrate, so if you're driving or traveling, I
tell people that is probably the better way for you
to do it. It's a little more fun too, because
I had never listened to an audio book before, and
I was really hyper focused when I was creating this

(01:16:18):
project because I wanted to be as awesome as it
possibly could. And the audio book really captures things in
that you cannot get on the page, such as the
audio clips of things that I'm talking about, So it
was a very unique experience doing that. I recorded that
over forty days, literally two months leading up into the

(01:16:41):
book release, and I had fun with it. People. Some
people have described it as like a little bit of
an acid trip, which that's fair. It's got like a
little bit of a Hunter S. Thompson kind of feel
to it. He's a little bit like one of my idols,
I would say in terms of someone I looked too
as a writer, So I would say, spinning on on that, uh,

(01:17:02):
to really get the full immersive experience.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Okay, okay, all right, so you know what, I don't
have no more questions.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Fy you, baby, I have no more questions. Tut you.
It's real nice clean cut here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
But again, thank you so much for being here and
just sharing your truth and your story. It's been amazing.
Your story has been real, wrong, real, incredible, insightful just
listening to you even talk about light and dark and
how you were able to walk.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
That fine line. You know, it's so funny because our birthdays.
You are my birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Twin, and just when you talk and you speak, that's
the same thing of me being in the industry. I
always used to say, I'm walking that fine line, yep,
because you are you making sure that you stay as
balanced as possible.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
In us as libras, that is our sign that we
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
See as balance as possible and It's just amazing that
now we even reconnected on the back end of things
on our outside of the industry. It's funny, even though
we're not actively in the industry, we still are speaking
of the industry a part of a chapter in our lives,

(01:18:15):
you understand, So absolutely that's something really you know, great,
and I just give you big respects on just this
whole conversation. It's just been truly good. So if there's
any last words that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
You have for no, I'm seeing all the comments here.
Thank you. You guys are being amazing. I appreciate that.
Like when you get love, and some people are going
to be pissed off every now and again. That's fine.
But I've received like I was really worried releasing this
book it would bring down the wrath of so many people,

(01:18:46):
and that really hasn't happened at all. A lot of
people who were outside of the business who read about
the book or learned about it, they're spreading the word
and I'm like, hey man, we are on cult classic status.
That's the we're getting to. So I'm like, cool the
slow burn. I'm okay with the slow burn. So very appreciative.

(01:19:07):
I didn't really catch much of much shit as I
thought I went from the porn industry. We could discept
that a little bit. But I think the truth is
is that a lot of people in the industry, they're
very consumed and themselves and their brands and their own
content to read my book or or my nonsense. So
I didn't really incur the wrath of the porn industry

(01:19:29):
that I thought I would. In fact, I got nominated
for an av And Award, and I kind of goof
on av a lot in the book. You know, I
didn't win.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Gratulations on that one, truly congratulations on that one. You know,
I guess a lot of times, you know, people they
have to allow people to tell their stories and their
experience and what it is, you know, just period. And
that's what Joe experience with those different people. You know,
some are the same as others and some are different

(01:20:00):
with it. And I think we are in a point
of time that a lot more people are taking accountability
of their actions of what they do, especially when it
comes to the adult industry, because we have been a
punching back of a lot of things, you know, period,
and it's like, okay, you know, there's another one of
our people that's going out there and speaking their experience

(01:20:20):
from that, and it's all that could be real because
it's always, as you say, a light in the dark.
There's always a positive or negative to something somewhere somehow.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Where do I fit in in that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
And if I do fit in on that dark side
or that negative side, how can I bring myself to
the positive side or where it can balance my skills?

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, yeah, No, you got to find that thing that
keeps you in the light, really, whatever that is, you know,
And I fortunately had my things. I'm grateful I had
a good support system with friends that were outside the
industry that kept me on the right side of the fence.
But yeah, it's very important that people in the industry

(01:21:02):
find that because it can get lonely in there, and
it could definitely get tough in there for sure. Yeah.
A little frozen, Frozen, Frozen again. He likes my t shirt?
Thank you, Figure Bounty.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Any advice for them? Did you have my question?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
No? No, it was frozen, but go ahead again?

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I said, do you have any advice for anyone that's
thinking about either becoming a producer or a director or
even a performer? What would your advice be to them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I would tell them to reading my book seriously because
it is really for like, it's very informative if you're
someone who wants to get into the business. I think
the truth is if you are a producer slash performer,
you have more of an edge right now because it
seems like companies, because of the liability and because of things,

(01:21:58):
it's better to have a performer that is creating the product.
But you know, you really just have to just try
to figure out a way to get in, but be
good at what you do. You know, you know how
many times you know there's dudes that say, I could
be a malperformer. I could be a mail performer, Like, okay,
can you keep your dick hard in a room full

(01:22:19):
of strangers that might not exactly be ideally temperament to
have the right temperature and not have the the positions,
the comfortable positions that you have in your bedroom because
you're not always going to get a bed. Most likely
you're going to get like a hard desk or something,
and you have to open up. So I would say,

(01:22:41):
you know, you really just have to be good at
what you do. And in the industry, I mean cream
really does rise to the top. It's the truth. So
it's no longer for me. But just be careful, be
a good dude, be ethical, don't be a scumbag, don't
be sleazy because you you'll get ratted out pretty quick

(01:23:01):
on that. And just just be a good person.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
And I thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
This has been Ah, this has been an amazing uh
interview about you got it last words before they kick
us off completely.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
Thank you very much. And uh, I want to get
to that book. You want to get to that book?

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Hey, if you if you make it through and you
want to talk specifics, I'll be happy to come back
on and and be a repeat guest. I love I
love doing this. This is fun for me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Yeah, this is good. This is this, This is good.
We gotta talk, we gotta talk.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
So I want to stay just a little bit longer
with me after we clicked this out. All right, my
listeners is my BTG crew. I thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
All so much for continue just to be here with
us and just the knowledge that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Breaks the stigma. This is what we talked about today.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
So let's keep talking, let's keep listening, and let's keep
bridging the gap.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
And don't forget to tune into the next time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
For another bowl and on filter conversation again, as I'll
always say, be good to one another in your sound
and always keep the sex. Do you have an amazing
and amazing weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
I rep beautiful people, but that is a rep for
another episode of x.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Naomi Reading the Gap.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
And I hope today's conversation has much something beautiful within
you and gave you the twos.

Speaker 7 (01:24:16):
To elevate your love life to the next level. And
I want you to remember, transformation doesn't happen overnight. It
happens one conversation, one choice, in one moment.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Of courage entitime, so you will have everything within you
to create the love and the intimacy that uses us.

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Who need to hear it, and let's keep healing with
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Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
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behind the scenes. So until next week, keep growing.

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
Keep loving, and remember to always keep you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
This is your girl, the guide.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Nowami Banks here, I'll see you next time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
I wanna ask Naomi Virgini for the gay

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
M hmm

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