Mushrooms & Motherhood Feat. Mikaela de la Myco

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's so amazing just being here at this time.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Right with these kinds of movements, we're resurrecting a really
old archetype. And I always say that I stand at
the intersection of psychedelic mom, medicine, woman, and sacred home.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Because we can exist all at once. Welcome back to

(00:43):
Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica and I'm Mela.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Happy Wednesday Andie Wednesday, Darling, how are you feeling.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm high, So there's that. That's always nice. I did
awaken bank this morning. I haven't really been smoking too
much weed in the morning lately, and so yeah, it's
a nice It's a nice little shift.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I mean, you like smoke weed consistently all the time.
I think like your body.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Gets like too used to it, too used to it.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
This could either go really good or really bad.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
And let's be honest, because if you've been listening to
the show for a long time, you know when a
bitch gets high, she sometimes gets a little more dumb.
So we're just gonna not We're gonna put that energy
there here today.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I think you're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
A while ago, I was measuring the time in which
we smoked against the time we started, so I think
that we're good.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well now if you say so, then yeah, I be true. Yeah,
I'm feeling good.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm feeling you know what do you want to You're
gonna join me in some meal and moans.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, I'm just gonna take some deep breaths and let
out some deep, delicious moans.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
You ready, Yeah, if you're listening. Don't close your eyse
while driving. If you're not driving, but if you're on
the train, closure just like.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
A deep inhale.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
An exhil passionate sexy moons. Doesn't that feel good? As
a matter of fact, I already rolled it backward. It's

(02:23):
vanilla and it kind of tastes like coffee in the morning,
so like we might as well smoke.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Right now vanilla.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
M Okay, that's something fine, all right, come on, let's
do it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh my god, it's so good.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Let me say, oh, bitch, feeling good?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know what taking breaks from weed is the jam.
It is the jam because when you come back you
just appreciate get it so much more.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So, thank you, friend, You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
All of the OG retreat members are like, oh I
remember this, I like.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
This you remember that from the retreat, y'all we're.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Doing Hey, hi, good vibe tribe. We do a lot
of sensual moaning sound. Lots of sounds happen at the retreat.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
That's just level one sound. There's actually probably like four
or five levels that we achieve.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
And but only towards like the end of the retreat
do you get your life.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's almost like it's an unlocking. It's like Mario Kart.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
It is like an unlocking that happens, and by the
end we all get our call, like the tribal call.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
And you, guys, if you get your final attunement, like
here you go, like there's an orchestra of moaning women.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It's really beautiful. You must be what happened sounds like
it's true.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
You'd be surprised the amount of like unlocking that can
happen just with sound, Like it unlocks the emotions and
the feelings in your body.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I'm really I think we should start like incorporating that
more and.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
If you want to moan with us more. We did
just announce our next retreat in Sayulita, Mexico. We're taking
over an amazing beautiful property it's all ours, it's private,
it's ocean front. Every room, it's ocean view, it's all inclusive.
We're gonna be doing lots of moaning, lots of dancing.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Lots of releasing, lots of healing, lots of relaxing and
hanging out.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yes, lots of manifesting as a collective, and of course
a lot of community and sisterhood and exploring.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
We're gonna go check out a lot of beautiful places
in the in the new space that you know, I mean,
Mila have only been once.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So this is a very new this is a.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
New destination for the good Nabor Tree. You're really excited
to see what magic that we get to unlock. This
place is called Xico Pueblobloo Magic Pueblo, and you know
magic Mila, So I'm really excited to see what powers
I get unlocked. We're doing two dates and they're both

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in July, July fifth and July twelfth.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
And I hope you guys have been enjoying the Good
Vibe sessions or the Good Vibe segment that we've been releasing.
We've been dropping a bonus episode with some testimonies, testimonials
from past attendees, and it's just so beautiful to see
how the experience touches them in different ways and locks
things that they need.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
And we recorded them there on the on the property
so you can hear, like the birds chirping in the background.
You can really can really get the like the Costa
Rican good vibe essence, So make sure you.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Check that out.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
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Speaker 6 (06:08):
And with that being said, hello hello hello, hello, hello,
hello hey hello hello hello hello hey hello hello.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Still manifesting eh raca happy birth if you know her,
send her through.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I think that we need to get the girls in
on this manifest manifestation like obviously the listeners, but I
think like our kids.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
You need to like maybe like a group.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
The other day, Iri was just singing Eric Abaudu like
in the shower and I was like, this is such
a proud moment.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yesterday the other day, I, me and Orlando asked Lena
to read our futures and she said We're going to
be together to be di I E. And also that
mommy is going to get a YouTube plaque.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah for a one hundred thousand subscribers. I was like, wow,
you're watching too much YouTube And also thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
That is a beautiful MANIFESTI for us.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
So I was like, you know what, you might be
a little let me tap in, let me use this
magic that I got.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Anyway, you guys, we have a special guest here that
I'm really excited to have on this show. As you know,
we are focusing on plant medicine this month, and we
thought what better guests to have than Mikhayla Lila Michael
the mushroom Womb educator herself Mama and yeah, just overall

(07:29):
inspiration and such a such an incredible educator. I feel
like I've learned so much in such a short time
on your page. I love how digestible. All the things
that you share are and they're so interesting too. I
think I think a lot of the masses don't really
know a lot about plant medicine in general and just
all with the variations of it all. You know, you

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hear plant medicine and you think of like ayahuasca, or
you think of mushrooms, or you think of things that
you know have like these like psychedelic you know properties,
But there's so much more to it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
So that'bsolcome, thank you so much for having me, and
it's so amazing just being here at this time. Right
with these kinds of movements, we're resurrecting a really old archetype.
And I always say that I stand at the intersection
of psychedelic mom, medicine, woman, and sacred.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Ho I do because we can exist all at once.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think there's this kind of like idea that like
you're either on this like super pious path or you're like,
you know, serving medicine and you're you're in.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
This way in your life that kind of removes you
from sexuality.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
But I feel that intimacy and sensuality and sexuality like deepens,
like your strength as a medicine person, and a lot
of these traumas and a lot of these like up
levels and these you know, other octaves of like existing
actually get unlocked and intimacy and intimacy sometimes with the

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the agents. So that sacred hope part, I think is
really important, and so I hope we can resurrect that,
and I hope that we could talk about it a
little bit more too, because it's it's such an important
part of so many of our paths and probably the
paths that you've walked in your lives too, just from
what you were sharing a.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Little bit like she's there your hope school. So yeah,
I just really honored to be here. Like I've been
on the news.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I was like on the local news in San Diego
talking about microdosing to.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like Channel eight or whatever and that cry.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like, my my fiance is just like dripping.
He's just like Asia, you want to be this public.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
And I'm like, we have to be, like we can
talk openly about cannabis, because there were people that were
down to talk about cannabis, like back when things were
getting the stigmatized. And I feel like that you know
what's coming is these amphi agents and the plant medicines
and the sacred fungi allies.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So why not be there with.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Can you explain to our audience who don't know what
n the engine entheogens are quite a.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Word that is.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, so I'm a mush womb educator, So the intersection
of n theogen education and womb wisdom. So the n
theogen and all of that is a combination of Greek
words n is in theo is god and then gen
is to generate, so it means to generate the god within.
So nthogen our plants and and other non human relatives

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can even be human relatives that help ignite and dis
allow us to discover the divinity within ourselves. And that's
what a lot of these medicines do and can assist
us in doing for ourselves too.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
What is your journey into this space? I mean, like
where is your mother, hippie? She was into n theogen,
the genetics.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Entog and theeneographer or like yeah, how did you?

Speaker 4 (10:58):
I guess, Yeah, I go step into this in this
space and yeah tap in the endo this.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, what's the access point? How did all of this
get started? I mean for so many of us, Like
when I first sat with the mushroom. It was very
clear that I was home. It was like a very
familiar space, which surprised me because I'd never actually had
parents or family or anyone that really even talked about mushrooms.
So I was like, why is this so familiar? And

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my mother is was born and raised in very rural Italy,
and she lived in like a mountaintop town two thousand people.
All the babies were born at home. The nearest hospital
was like two hours away. So we're talking about a
community that is like really invested with the medicine that's
like right in front of them, So the plants, and

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we're talking about plant medicine that includes all the plants, right,
Like some herbalist educators say that all plants are in
theogenic in their own way, like a rose can teach
you so much.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
They all have pros, they all have these that can
be healing.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
This magic does inherent like wisdom about each and every
one of them.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
They're alive, they're living, and they have an intelligence, the.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Same way that they talk about Madre, you know, ayahuasca,
Santa Maria, cannabis, like they all have an intelligence. And
so like she comes from a long line of people
that like knew how to listen to plants and like
relied on them for everything that they needed in their life.
And so the tattoos that I have on my hands
are for her. So I have oregano, and then I
also have rosemary, and then these are plants that.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
We garden, we harvest. They're part of our food and
for us, like our healing came from the things that
we ate in the kitchen. And so.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
This perspective I have around entheogens comes from this practice
of like folk knowledge, how knowledge is passed from like
grandmother to granddaughter, from mothers to like their grandchildren and
you know, among the family line. And I thank her
so much for just the wisdom she really ingrained in
me about being inherently suspicious of the system and like

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question everything, even the church, like she got she got
kicked out of the Catholic Church and she was like
twelve or thirteen years old for asking too many questions.
And so that really led me down this road of
like what is the church done to human consciousness? And
like what what are laws trying to keep us away from?
You know, So grateful for that peace. And then on

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my father's side of the family. My ancestors are Mexican
from the borderlands, so actually Payoti territory. And also mushrooms
are a big part of the mashika as thatca my unconsciousness.
And when the Spaniards came by, that was like one
of the removals from the Mexican people was their relationship

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with the sacred mushrooms. So there was like everything screaming
in my body. When I came to the mushroom, I
was like I'm back, Like I found this level of
consciousness again that had been like so removed from so
many people in my family. And then of course, like
my Caribbean ancestors are like dancing and singing people and
musical and music is medicine as well, and so they

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have their own special tradition with the orisha, the Yuaba tradition,
voodoo Santa Ria that I think also gave me a
lot of like blueprints for the specific flavor in which
I like sit with medicine. So tried cannabis for the
first time at age twelve, and then I sat with
LSD and I was like, WHOA, I don't know if

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y'all have ever tried LSD before.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's it'll crack you right up, and so I got cracks.
It's a long.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Journey, but you know what, after my first time sitting
with LSD as a freshman in college, I felt it
was it's so because it grows from a It's from
a fungus, right.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Okay, So I was I was going to a. Yeah,
I have no clue. I was just taking it, but
I thought was like a lab drug.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
But it is synthesized, but it has an organic derivative.
It has an origin and nature, which is really great.
I love LSD so much. And the reason we even
know about LSD is because Albert Hoffman was studying traditional
mid whiffery.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
This is like where this.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like mush womb thing kinds of comes together. Here is
because a lot of the ways that we even know
about entheogens, it is because lay midwives and people caring
for other people with like womb care have been bringing
these medicines in for a really long time. So actually
LSD its original constituent or got is a fungus. So

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it's fungus kind of inspired and directly what I was see,
what was it?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
What would what would be the purpose for it? In
mid midwhiffery.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
We're searching for it.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, so they were they were finding a to induce labor.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like a natural induction. We're not taking like the hormone
from like whatever they're taking it from.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, it's it's not potocin, which is synthetic oxytocin. But
the traditional midwives found that when they would like give
a woman who is installed labor or got that it
would progress installed labor because it causes uterine contraction. So
it's kind of in a monagogue actually. So he was
studying that and then found like was trying to actually
make like an induction medication and then this get synthesized

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when he tried it. And here we have bicycle Day
April nineteenth. So that's the first bike ride that anyone
ever took on acid.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Was bicycle Day. On what day? Bicycle Day April nineteen.
We need to ride a bike and take acid that day.
A lot of people do.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I'm going to be speaking in San Francisco on that day,
like for a bicycle Day. It's like a big celebration everyone.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
On LSD Bicycle Day, they have to do a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and then four twenties right after so it's just this.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Big like, oh, you know what I mean, look off
the streets.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I don't need to worry about cars.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, we have a lot of people on LSD. I mean,
you know I haven't had. I mean, my LSD experience
wasn't like yours. It was. It was.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
It was for sure intense and trippy, but it wasn't.
I don't think I went in into it.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I know you didn't necessarily go into it with an attention,
but you couldn't. I know, I did, We said you did.
I was like you had set the tone also in
that trip of like surrender.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Which I think then even further deep into surrender, whereas
mine was at a music festival. It's hard to go
within it. It was purely about kind of getting sucked up.
It wasn't there was no intention behind it. I'd be
interested to take it now, like you know now that's yeah,
you medicine in such a different way.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And what was interesting I think about trying that first
was or like having that big experience firstus just it's
set a really cool foundation for that surrender, like getting
used to the idea that like you're not going to
be completely in control of like your journey, but like
an observer of the contents or like the unconscious material

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of your mind, and the only thing you really have
in those moments is of course, like the container, the
set and setting of where you're at, and also like
coping skills like breathing techniques and like tapping and other
things to help like trauma and like memories just move
through the body. And so if you learn those skills,
basically you can carry those skills into any environment like

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birth even and so like the realms are, they apply
to each other. And when I was, yeah, sitting with Elside,
I was like, yo, I just need to get my
hands in some soil because it was really heady. I
don't know if you remember, but it's like lots of
thoughts moving quickly, like really colorful, but it can be
really ungrounding.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And we kind of talked about grounding.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So I wanted to like go to a garden and
just like sit my feet in the soil and be like, Okay,
I'm still on planet Earth though, and I kind of
searched for something that gave me both that I could
have these yeah, expansive thoughts emotional processing, but also I
felt very.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Much in my body.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And so that's when mushrooms came and I was like, oh,
this is home, Like, this is fucking hit like and
then when I started mixing mushrooms with other herbs like
Holy basil or rose or camera mal or ginger, I.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Was like, Oh, it's like a wrap.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Like these medicines know how to talk to each other
really well, and it creates for a really beautiful, well
rounded experience.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So yeah, just that was nine years ago.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Well that's what I thought. That's super impressive because I
when I think about I'm like, damn, what if I
would have had this like intentional LSD experience in college,
I would have been like all different bitch for a decade.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Like three years ago. My fuck. Yeah, but never too late.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
No, No, that was because I, you know, I have
the veil has been like the fok's been removed, but
so important. What gave you the in I guess because
you just already had a relationship with the plants to
just go at that age early intentionally just let me
go here and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh my gosh. So like, what was the intention to
try LSD for the first time? Yeah? Yeah, were you
like trying to have a spiritual breakthrough. Are you just
like I think the best way is it was offered
to me. Okay. So someone was like I was.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
In college and then we were in the origins of
the universe.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It was like an elective.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And this guy that he was just sitting in the
back row watching the Giants game. He's like from the
Bay Hyphie as FuG and he's like, do you really
want to like see the origins of the universe.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Watching the Giant game on the background.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
But the Sorcerer's kind in different. You don't want it,
don't let it get passion, be like the like the
most likely place?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Are you a wizard?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And here's he was like mixed too. So I was
just like, wait, what are you talking about, you know,
and where are we going to go?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
People? It's like I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
And I think that also, I think for me really
disrupts this notion that all of this is like Hippi ship.
Even you asked, like, oh, your parents hippies, your family's hippies.
It's like that Hippie revolution like did so much to
like ingrain in the cultural consciousness that like only white
people take psychedelics and so for you know, someone who
like melanated to like, you know, offer this to me.
I'm like, Okay, maybe this is somewhere I can feel safe.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Maybe this is not some white people shit.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Maybe this is somewhere I could feel supported or someone
who could like see me or process with me or
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
And I was absolutely true.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
But we were also like drinking Henny and listening to
like E forty while it was going on. It's still
really expansive and really helpful and valuable. Yeah, I was
very balanced. And I found that as I continued to
eat mushrooms or I continue to sit with other groups,
I just noticed like some groups felt right and some
groups just didn't. Hit you know, when some places felt

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right and some places just didn't. And so when I
started to find elders and I started to in a
way like refine this path and like find a place
in a space that felt really right for me, that's
when the healing started to accelerate. It was like the
mushrooms were kind of actually clearing out so much. It
was like, not this group, not this space, not these behaviors,

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not these practices, And it does a really wonderful subtle
adjustment of your entire life if you just choose to
kind of follow what it wants to tell you. Some
medicine is more abrupt than others, like ayahuasca is just
like bam, slap in a face, Like she'll just tell
you like everything that's wrong. Sometimes it just be like
I'll help you clear it out all right now. And mushrooms,
I find that they worked with me in a really

(22:28):
gentle way. So I'm grateful for that because I need
a gentleness.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I always say that mushrooms are a gentle a gentle shift.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yes, some of your baby, let me show you you're
fucking up. I saw that.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I know you. You talk and share a lot of
your expertise and healing and womb care, and I was
reading or I was looking at your paging.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
We're talking about using.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Mushrooms and other herbs too during I guess walk going
into your moon or your period for those who don't
know what that is, mental cycle and using it and
using plant medicine to you know, walk your journey through
through that those days. Can you talk to us about
what kind of medicine you use or maybe even what

(23:14):
you would recommend that maybe more women should you know,
tap into.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Absolutely so Yeah, womb care is such a deep continuum
and like I'm answering, of course, but just laying the
go ahead. No, no, I was gonna say.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I know it's a big question too, because everyone's needs
in this in this space too are different.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's exactly it.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And every question is there's so many nuances. There's so
many like a variety of factors. Like the people with
pcos are all so extremely different than each other. The
people dealing with endo are extremely different from each other.
But you know, even in the language that that we
utilize to talk about our relationship with plants, like I
use mushrooms, I use plants, it's like, well, is that

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relationship you try to use your friends. So being in
relationship with some plants have like really changed the way
that people cycle, people connect with their menstruation, people can heal.
So for me, some of my choice plants that are
absolute amazing boom allies. I really work with amenagogues. Amenagogues

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are plants that help you bleed. That's what a menagogue means.
It's like it means to support the flow of your mensus.
And so for a lot of people they're dealing most
of the folks that I deal with and talk to
are like, am I pregnant? I don't want to be pregnant,
Like can you help me? You know, my periods late

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for whatever reason. And so amenagogues have become like an
avenue that I've kind of focused in because it's a need,
especially in a post ro v Wade world right now.
And not only are amenagogues helpful for assisting bleeding, but
also easing the process of bleeding. So there's also a
lot of people that are dealing with like cramps, heavy
men strums, or like PMS or these other symptoms of

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the womb. So when you said, you know plants leading
into your menstruation, like this is the period, we really
like to work with plants that have amenagogue properties and
also can like ease flow and allow us to release
in an easeful way. So the choice ofmenagogue plants that
I like to lean on during these times are I

(25:23):
love to work with Angelica root don Que is the
traditional Chinese medicine word for this plant, and it's a
uterine contractant and it also is a uterine tonic, so
it helps your uterus to like remain strong and have
a regular hormonal balance, and so Angelica.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Root is a choice.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
You can use it through all phases of your cycle,
but right before menstruation. It seems to be really helpful
for bringing on the menstruation, like when it's due, whether
you're pregnant or not, which is cool. Also, I really
like to work with things like I work with nervines
a lot, So Holy Basil tallsy tea. If you are

(26:05):
familiar with Tolsi, I've heard of Holy Basil. They're the same, Okay,
Tulsi and Holy Basil are the same. So people that
are dealing with pre menstal symptoms and they're kind of
like irritated, for example, there's a lot of different needs
during that time of the cycle. But nervines. A nervine
means to kind of like soften the experience of the

(26:25):
nervous system. And sometimes like people when they're getting really
agitated or irritated, they just need a little bit of
like a soft like support, just like yo, it's gonna
be okay. Don't need a stress, don't need to get anxious.
So Holy Basil is choice. Rose is also choice, and
rose mostly in that the way that Rose is open,

(26:46):
they kind of like unferl And so when we're thinking
about released and we're thinking about bleeding, it can be
like this unfurling. They were like, oh, okay, I'm just
gonna like let myself open as opposed.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
To like straining to like like I want to push
my blood out. It's like stuffing tampons up your pussy. Girl. Yeah,
It's just like.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
This is not the time to make the body want
to shut up, since the time to like allow the
body full expression.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
And I think, like, I mean, as women, we've been
kind of shamed in ways around that. I mean, I
know some women, if you're listening, might might have only
used pads or whole life, and that some women are
like super tamponed up, like you know, never even considered
a pad. I was one of those women, Like, I
don't think I even I think I maybe wore pads
for like the first five or six months of me
having my menstrual cycle, and then I figured out, I learned,

(27:39):
I like figured out how to put tampon it, and
it was over for well, pads.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Feel gross, right, like the high and like made of plastic, right, And.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
It's just you know, I think like sometime in the
last like two years, I stopped using tampons at all
and now like and then just becoming more I guess,
less ashamed of your period and more aware of it.
And it's so crazy because in the last I'd say,
like last year, I've been having a lot of conversations
with women about their periods, and I think it's become

(28:07):
more not so it's just something you kind of like,
like are ashamed about. And I feel like the more
that I talk about it, the more I'm aware of it.
And even the more education I get around the idea
of rest when you have your period, I just realized
I'm so much more like aware of like how I
feel during my period. Even this last period I had,

(28:29):
I was like clotting a lot, and like I was
just feeling really tired, and normally I wouldn't even associate
my period with why I'm tired. I'm just like, oh,
it must be like stressed out or something, or like,
you know, you're not associating the fact that you are.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Like releasing a ton of nutrients.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
I would say hemorrhaging, but yeah, it's not it's not
a nice word to say.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Either, Right, you're shedding an into metrial, Yeah, based in shame.
You're not hemorrhging. Girl, You're gonna survive. You're not going
to die, right.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Some people are, though, and I think that's actually important
to address, is that some people like are cycling in
a way that there's like a giant body dump that's happening,
and not every period needs to be heavy. Like they
say that the menstrual cycle is like the fifth vital sign.
Like looking at how often you menstruate and how heavily
and for how long can really give us an indication
of health. And so if someone is like filling up

(29:22):
like super jumbo tampons like four seven days straight or
something like, that's actually something we we might want to
look at and be like, can we bring in some
other plant allies for example black haw and black haw
was like used also in the South, and so for
women of the like African diaspora, like this is maybe
a plant that they would have come in contact with

(29:43):
and it softens, you know, contractions, It could stop an
abortion like in its tracks. So it like really releases
the edge on like the uterus and can soften cramps
and can like really slow down bleeding. So kenyaro, So
like plants can do so many things, and edge is liberations.
So if people are like, there's no shame in saying

(30:03):
like hemorrhaging, because that shit does happen, But it's not
to shame the person for experiencing it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It's to use it as a sign.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's to read it as a marker of health, and
plants can support a person coming into balance with.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Their own health and they're bleeding. Yeah, it's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
How like so early on we kind of know immediately
not it's like it's a hush hush say, it's not anything,
like it's nothing to necessarily be.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Still my peers.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, like we celebrated as like fuck, you know, like
even I got my period and I told my dad
and he's like, what make it stop? I can, And
then I immediately the whole society immediately, I.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Was like, tampon.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't want to like have to deal with this thing.
Like you know, if it's in, it's out, I don't
see it type thing. But I think people because we're
so shamed of it, and it's such like a hush
hush topic.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
So early is that we like even as you're.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Discussing like developing relationships with herbs, developing even like you know,
in school, I'm in Tangard school, like developing relationships with elements,
you know, like like I'm realizing the importance of like
the development of the relationship of like even the things
that we haven't.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Put a lot of emphasis on.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
And I think it's so interesting because like if I
think about it, I for a long this is not
a popular statement, but like I would forget like I
was bleeding and I would just like be pantiless, and
then I'm like, oh, fuck, you know, like my first
instinct is not to stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It or like to feel it. I talk about that.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
And I was like there was like there wasn't a
word for that, because I was like, bitch, you were done.
You keep bleeding on the floor, Like could go put
something on, like this is like in my house. But
I started to notice that, like I was my body
didn't feel like I needed to be like like but
socially it was like if anyone was like, bitch, you're
drooping on the floor, it was only.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Something that I was aware.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Like I started to be like subconsciously aware of or
consciously aware of that I really didn't want to be
wearing these things. And then like we Erica got me
the body body what is that like of the panty
in the period Shout out to Manti Vaughn, but right now,
right and I was thinking about even what you're saying,

(32:10):
Like in the last two three years, you know, we
you know, we've come into contact with women that we're
having conversations about the mental and how you know, once
upon a time, everyone in the village would give the
whoever's on their period their prayers and they would go
away and only take like only take the small babies
that can, you know, like the kids go Everyone was
kind of in.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Like prayer mode.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Like we were like women were connecting with spirit and
with source and everyone because we.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Could do this thing together, you know, in these in
these red tents.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
And then I'm thinking, like, as our show has progressed
and like we've strengthened our like we've become more aware
of certain things and like more bold and speaking about
things and talking to different educators and different people. It's
like we have been like awakened in ways and like
less shamed about like, yeah, I stopped taking breath control
last night, you know, you know, like fucking Nelly talking

(32:58):
about her moon, you know, and encouraging me to get
out of birth control. But it's like we've attracted a
lot of witches, you know, like in our circle, because
this is how that's how the world works. When you
put your vibration out, you get your people. So it's
just like the even the awakening, and you even saying
in the beginning the resurrecting, Like last week I changed
my bio and I was like resurrecting the wild women,

(33:20):
and then I like let it sit for seven days,
and I was like resurrecting.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
People might get triggered by that and I change into
something else.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
But I'm like, it's true, because this is information that
our bodies know, that our spirits know that we've visited before,
and they're familiar to us and we don't know why.
And if you're not careful, like that is some of
my people hippy ash shit, like I don't do that, girl,
But it's like, actually you do, and you've done it before,
and now it's time to remember, you know, like the
relationships with like energies and plants and your period, and

(33:46):
like the reawakening, the re emerging of that natural indigenous
human that we've been brainwashed away from the.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Earth relies on our blood, gives her blood. And let's
talk about menstrual harvesting. Let me talk about that. Yeah,
it's like phase one is free bleed. Two is giving
blood to the land.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, it's and and also just yeah, how to how
to hold your mental blood?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
How to capture e mental blood.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I used to really talk about this a lot on TikTok,
and TikTok's like, nah, you can not share your mental
blood on this latform anymore. It just looks like video down,
video down, video down. I was like, no more, I
need to see this because it's going away one way
or another. So does it want to be in a
tampon at a Walmart or do you want to have
access to your own body parts and be able to
have some agency around where it goes and what you

(34:43):
would like to do with it, because it's just not
biological waste and the like concept and the idea that
menstrual fluid is biological waste product comes from Hippocrates, comes
from a Greek scientist who was couldn't have been more
wrong about what menstruation was. It also comes from Aristotle,

(35:06):
who is seen as like the father of biology, and
he really believed that like women get like all stored
up with this mania and that the only way to
curate is to just like get pregnant or get married.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
And so it's just like the whole society.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Was misogynistic, and our Western medical culture is like based
on hippocratic oaths, based around the frameworks laid out by
these Greek guys that just had no idea about like
the magic and the medicine and menstruation, and they stole
a lot of shit from ancient Egypt. Like we all
know that the Pythagorean theorem was like already laid out
in the Egyptian pyramids. So it's just like, bro, like

(35:42):
what are we even trying to do here? That whole
the Egyptian and Kmetic society had already laid out such
an incredible framework for like understanding the needs of the
bleeding body, so much so than in the Ebers Papyrus
fifteen hundred BC, there was a recipe for abortion and
a gynecological aspect of its manual to like serve bleeding bodies.

(36:02):
And so I'm like, you're gonna take everything, but you're
not even gonna take this vital piece of information about
menstrual blood. And so for the last twenty six hundred years,
we've been under the impression that menstrual blood is that
would power the woman.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I mean, of course they're not gonna take that.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
That would definitely not empower and they're not gonna they're
not gonna hold onto my e either, which I was
like that like one of the shame us and make
us all feel weird even listening to this conversation. For
those that are listening and are like, oh my god,
they're talking about putting menstrual blood and period blood and
what are they doing?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
What are they doing with our blood?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
There's so and there's and there's so many benefits to
not just holding onto one's own menstrual blood and like
offering it to the land. But there are nutritional components
of menstrual blood. I mean, this is the original soil
from which the sperm or a.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Seed will be implanted.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So think of like the uterine lighting as like the
rich soil of the earth essentially, and like all the
nutrients needed in order to nourish a life and support
it in its earliest phases, which seem to be the
most important, are are contained within. So that includes stem cells,
that includes over three hundred and twenty four different proteins

(37:12):
that are only found in mentural blood.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
That the earth like just loves.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
And when I say the earth, I mean literally the
microbiology in the soil, and so capturing mentual blood can
happen a lot of different ways. I'm currently bleeding and
I'm using a sponge, So sponges are really important to me.
They feel a little bit more natural to me. They're
like really soft there. I know you're in the sponge
game too, but these are Mediterranean silky like cosmetic grade sponge,

(37:41):
so they're very very soft, and they're extremely absorbent and
like you just kind of stick them in and then
like pull them out. And I think also the conversation
of like our gross like, oh it's like mustural blood.
It's kind of messy, like gets on your fingers. But
how am I supposed to know the health of my
body if I can't even see the blood, Like I
need to see the color, the texture, smell it, like

(38:03):
get a really deep understanding for like what is within
my body. And the only way to know what's happening
in your uterus without medical equipment.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Is to read your menstrual blood.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
So the sponge is often what I use and then
I just rint it with water and squeeze into a bowl,
and I just have a beautiful bowl of like water
down mental blood that I can feed to my plants's fertilizer,
I can give to my garden. I can just leave
as an offering for the land. And I was taught
by a white sister of mine. Really early in my game.
I had tons of mentors, Like everything that I'm fucking
sharing right now is someone else taught me. And that's

(38:35):
like the beauty of the womb link because we don't
own any of this information.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
This is like word of mouth. This is folk teaching.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Like we're just sitting in circle. We're in a pink
tent right now, you know, like teaching the womb wisdoms.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
And this is how it was always shared. And she
said that.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
When we remember to give our blood to the land,
the men will come back from war. The land is
going to receive it, one way or another. And so, Mestro,
blood is the only blood that is shed without violence.
So if we can tip the scales a little bit,
maybe we can tip the balance of violence in the world.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
And it's like literally like quite literally like like harvesting
right back into the like to the world. It's like
community work from your body like in the physical realm,
you know, and we think about the energetically, we think
about the shift, like the feminine like dominance that you know,
the resurrecting that's happening with the women, and like the
like we're resurrecting, and like the wild woman is like

(39:34):
re emerging and so like when you are physically pouring
yourself back into the world, and that is physically pouring
that but femininity like hey, yeah, wake up.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, we are like encoding the land with our our dream,
our DNA.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
And that's that's an important point. Actually, there's like an
old trick in gardening. So so my friends they like
grow cannabis and things. So I'd love to bring something
maney back into this conversation, but there's an old school
practice of putting seeds in the mouth. And so what
that does is it gives the seeds your DNA and
so when you go and plants and it grows.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It grows for you like before you come, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
So that the seeds are in your mouth, you plant
it and then it grows with your DNA in mind.
Because it's like entrenched in it. And so as breastfeeding mothers,
we know and have been hopefully taught that when babies
are suckling, their salivary glands are communicating to the breast,
to the body, and the body is now making milk
to fit their nutritional needs. How is the earth going
to know what we need if we're not sweating and

(40:35):
bleeding and pouring into it. So when we give the blood,
when we give our tears, when we give whatever we
want to give to the land, it's telling the earth like,
this is me, this.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Is what I an, this is what I need right now.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I've had plants pop up in my garden that
I've been needed because I've been pouring out. And she's
reading like she's activating seeds that are fucking dormant just
because she can feel like what is needed in that DNA.
So this is part of this conversation of like also rematreation,
like rematreating psychedelics. So rematreation means like the action, the

(41:10):
everyday action of reinforcing our relationship to mother Earth, like
reinforcing like the divinity of the human family and all
the non human relatives with our place here on the
land and part of the colonization practice was to remove
people from land.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Oh have they and oh have they?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And so for us to come back to the land,
for us to give our blood back and you know,
give our placentas back after birth. That's something that we
are choosing to do. Like this is tying us so
intimately with the land. It's like we will die to
protect it because we are literally in the land.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I planted my placentae, I'm glory tree on top of it,
and like that was like that was just my first mind,
Like you're not gonna take all my like my all
my shit, Like I don't trust that you're gonna like.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like go to the medical waste anywhere. Well that's what
they said. They know, they know, they know the power
of we do they do ye.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, and they're using it for themselves. And I was like, no,
I brought my own container. I'll take that. And now
the tree is huge, it's like a huge tree and
it's been feeding off of that, and I didn't Like
that was just my first mind because I'm not gonna
send this off to get encapsulated, Like, but you're not
gonna take my ship in the freezer, like just plan.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
To bring it down into the earth.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, but you know, I just like even thinking about,
you know, living in a country that has really taken
people and put them in a foreign place.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's like, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Often I've often thought about that, like how confusing for
the like I mean, it's apparent in our culture, you know,
like African American like history is so dark. But like
when you take someone's music, their culture, their religion, their
their sense of self, their you know, their pride, there
is so much confusion everything they're everything. You literally you

(42:55):
literally set off with people into like the abyss of
like white supremacy and pay like the patriarchy, and it's
like that's a very confusing you know. Obviously there's like
a state of confusion amongst the people. And we've seen
that in so many ways. And it's like it's interesting
what you're saying is because you don't necessarily have to
go back to.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
The motherland to get that again.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
But if we take the time to just connect to
the land anywhere, like we will start to like awaken
these things because we are genetically you know, like that
we're connected no matter what, no matter where.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
We're our DNA is in the land yeah, a really
dope herbalist. Sorry, do you want to go and say
something first? A really dope herbalist, She taught me. She's
so cool too. We yeah, we were sitting in a
mushroom circle and then in the morning we do earth
based integration, so we like go back to the land
and like re situate ourselves in the earth. And she

(43:52):
came and she led like a really beautiful plant walk,
and she told all of us that the best way
to introduce yourself to a new piece of land is
to pee on it.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I was like, why do that shit? Anyway, I'm planting
my d all over the world. I knew I was
with land one way or another.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Was the and all of these things that connect us
are like seeing as savage, Like people look at you
with your blood on the ground, or like you peeing
outside be like ew, that's so like unproper, that's so like.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Savage, and it's like good, it can happen.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Good.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I'm a human being. I'm a human animal. It's okay
to be a human.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
A human animal. It's true. You were gonna say something
I forgot, Okay, Yeah, I have so much to say.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
I'm like defense conversation you know, it's even back to
the comment like even you know, me and Eric often
say even me and Erica often say like and I
did this, I did your thing the other day about
like the anatomy of the woman, like so many women
haven't even like looked at their vaginas, like you know,
like no one's ever told you go look.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
At your vaginants, look like a rose. Like my mom
never told me to look at my vagin in the bear.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know, it does. But you know, Erica did it
with her daughter, and I didn't think that the opportunity
hadn't really come up, but then recently it did. And
I was like, come here.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
She's like what.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I was like, come here, and I closed to my
life with her, and I'm like, and I put a
mirror and I was like, have you ever looked at
you Dina? And she's like no, stop. I was like, no,
you should look at it, but you know, and she
was all like, okay, Mom, I'm like, you see, like
this is how you know how to wash it.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
This is your outer laby, this is your inner laby.
This is like where you pee from.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know. I'm like, no, you have to look at it.
So it's yours.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
It's you. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I'm like, mommy has it, like you know, it looks
different and it's going to you know, evolve, but like.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
So I has to clean correctly.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I was really excited to have this opportunity because Eric
had been done it, and I was like, when is.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
It going to be my time? You have to make
the time.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
But like this conversation us being feeling innately shamed about
our period, like you don't really like a period, or
like even for me now, like there's certain things like
people certainly like like you know that some things seem abrasive,
and I'm like, why am I?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Because I love birth. I am a birth like consuming
bitch on YouTube. I showed my daughter like so much
natural birth. So she's like, I don't want to have
kids on this car life. But it's like that same
concept that you know, I always think, like how can
you really know your full self if you're afraid to
look at your.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Vagina in the mirror?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
You know, like if you're not acknowledging, it's usually you're
not acknowledging your pleasure.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
You're not acknowledging certain parts you have to.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Take it you have to like take a step further.
It's like, okay, now the blood, Now what else? What
else that comes through? I was thinking about just I
think a lot of the shame, at least for girls
or young young girls when they get their period is
like that first time that.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
They bleed through their like tants, or they bleed.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It's so or they bleed on the bed, or even
if you see it, like I've seen a tampon string
out of a bathing suit, that's just like mortifying. I
had my time string at a nude beach and I
was like, ah, I was like, but you're at a
nude beach.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Is terrified but no protection.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
But I think about like those moments are really defining
for a young woman and also just you know how
the person, like how her parents reacts to it and
can totally change the trajectory of your And you know,
I've talked about this on the podcast about like my
first period experience and my mom. The first thing she
said was, first of all, there was panic. It was

(47:04):
on my eleventh birthday and I was a pool party
birthday of course, of course, and you know her like
I could see her trying to keep it cool. But
I was like anxious because I wasn't prepared for this.
I don't even think I knew what a period was like.
She had hid her period from me, so I didn't
know that it existed, and so there I was bleeding.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Why do moms do that?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
I don't know. I mean, I don't they think they're
gonna warn you that you might fall off a bike,
but not that you're gonna bleed between your legs for
four days?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Like what the fuck? Yeah, it seems basic, and.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
So yeah, I remember bleeding, and then you know, it
was like, oh my god, it was like almost like
like this hurry and clean up thing. I think this
is not like a slight to her at all, you know,
but there was that, and then it was like, oh,
now you can get pregnant, and I was like, whoa,
there's a lot of information, but I didn't even know
why the fuck I'm bleeding, you know. And so you know,

(47:55):
I think that there's a lot of shame wrapped around
those first experiences with when you're a young girl, and
then you know, as you mature and your period changes,
and you know, even noticing this my last period, I
was clouding, and I normally like my periods are pretty
like easy, and so even because I'm so much more
mindful and like something feels different.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
I feel more tired.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
And I was curious even this month, like what did
I what's different in me? Like that is that this
is like a shift and like I swear I had
this like I had this like instinct to like go
into the toilet and pick it up, and like I
wanted to touch it, and I didn't do it because
I was like that's.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Fucking weird and I don't, but like why not? Like
why not?

Speaker 6 (48:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Like it is of me I have.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Like when it's something like sick and it's it's a
little bit like there's been times where I have.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Touched like like yeah, like like you know, like the
toilet paper, but like have I ever touched it really
really looked at it?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Said what the fuck is it? Why is it this
month and last month? Like you feeling the.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Health of your womb totally, But like we talk about
womb care so much on the internet. There's all these
womb cares and all these different things, but there's still
I think a lack of an avoidance that happens you
want other people to handle your womb care like there's
still this like lack of sovereignty over your womb. You
want people to deal with it for you, even even
in a holistic way. And you know, I think, like

(49:27):
even me in my mind, you know, I'm not gonna lie.
I saw your video where you were putting blood on
your face. Thankfully that was just red paint, because I
knew I was going to But I said, I had
to ask myself, like so, like why is that weird?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know?

Speaker 4 (49:43):
And there's there is like a huge stigma around using
what comes from our body for things. But we will
fucking let a man that all over our face swallow
it in five seconds, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Like to.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Like give me smili put all my face and go
and then go tell your friends.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
And then he meted out my face and but we're afraid.
But I would never tell I have a little blood
on my touch.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
My clot observed it. Like so this morning I went
to my clots. Everything seems normal. I tested my NCA
is not. Everything seems good.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
I was really healthy.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Radical body literacy is just not as hot as being
a fucking you know, being a point.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Your sacred hotus and our bomb care together that's one
no hierarchy.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Well, and I'm just like, yo, can can men feel
like as loving and as confident with like mental blood
all over their face? I've hadn't I mean, I've.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Met that are not scared of it, not scared of
blood at all. And then I've had ones that are
like I'll wait, like I don't want like this. And
I've had literally a guys say like, isn't that your
time to bleed? Like shouldn't you like go away?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Go away? Basically do your do your like trying to
tell me what the like intimacy is my thing right now?

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Like what do you mean telling me what I should
be doing with my body?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Like you're gonna tell me just that you don't want
to want to do that?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
They're scared, But you know what also, I don't know
where I was we were watching but Orbert I was
listening to, but they were saying that, you know, just
like the power of mentional bud is like the highest
level of like ritual that you can like participate in
sex magic and blood magic.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, and you know, like and you could get both
with having sex on your parents and.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Exactly and I've done that, but like even you know,
like me and Orlando's blood bond, which is like, I
don't know whatever inspired me to allow some guy that
I knew for a month to put blood on my
chest from his initials, but ever since then we've been
rocking hard, you know, so it works, you know, But
that's what he's be careful of having period sex with people,
like and just like respecting respecting the fluids that come

(51:46):
of your body and like not just like throwing them away.
And it comes with also just respecting the the sovereignty
and the divinity of your existence. And I think that's
that's like, that's also transitions, like the big words you
used and you know, remembering you're the divine in your.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Sag and theugen and theugen like blood is an enttheogenog.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah, it's just like I feel like it's like a
one of the ceremonies and you know, coming back to
your own divinity and like being aware of the substances
that you know, even like breast milk, like you know
this what we secrete when we come, Like they're all
sacred because they come from us and we were like

(52:31):
divine goddess women.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
We're just exuding elixirs of life. Yes from every orifis literally.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I saw something on your page too about like how
society should treat women that are bleeding. How should they
treat us?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Give us some damn rest, please, time off? Will work?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Let us sleep, give us some food, give us some chill,
Like I I really do feel like these women run
businesses now.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Are taking acknowledgment of this.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
But for the most part, like people working their nine
to fives, they don't get time off or bleeding. There's
no like, there's hardly even the mental health like time off.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
And then the.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Maternity leave and extended family leave is a fucking atrocious
in this country, So why would we even care about
bleeding people?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Definitely not caring about the bleeding people.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah, they're barely even giving a shit about women who
just gave birth.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
And that's also a part of the womb like the
womb negligence that we're experience in society.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Like even women don't feel.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Empowered, don't know a lot about birth, so they're going
into hospitals and just signing away like their whole rights,
like do whatever. And then you come leave fucking cut
open and you're wondering why because you gave that, Like
we could disconnect from this part, and we're like, fucking,
I don't want to deal with them and stuff it
with tampons.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I'm gonna take it to the doctor when it's time
to birth.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
And like these are all like these are all times
that are actually like rights of passage and and and
like paths to source that if we had the tools,
we could be tapping it into ourselves and to God.
But we're so afraid of them because everyone said it's
gross and weird that we just say like fuck it,
you do it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I think these these divinities become really apparent when some
people decide to build a relationship with Earth medicine, and
in those experiences with Earth medicine.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Like dive into their wombs.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's part of the care that I offer some people
is like Yony steam we were talking about, there's so
much that comes up during any steam that can come
up during any steam, like maybe if you're not watching
like a movie or whatever, but you know, it doesn't
really matter. I just feel like people can like drop
into their body, whether that's thoo dance, whether that's the
Yoni steaming or like womb massage or bleeding time or

(54:37):
being in postpartum, Like there are these times where you know,
we can pull into our body a little bit and
ask these questions of like what's going on.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I want to massage myself, I want to feel myself.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And to those experiences, I add mushrooms to those experiences
where it's mushrooms have the capacity to bring us deeper
into our bodies, So why not bring in these bodies
practices and like reading our mental blood and being with
our mental blood in incongruence with mushroombs. And I find

(55:09):
that because mushrooms allow us like a non linear way
of knowing something, it like brings us kind of to
it can give us the image instead of the sentence
like you're a bad person because of this. It like
will show you or like demonstrate the feeling in your
body that you get. And so when people like place

(55:31):
hands on their womb and we're like in journey space
and like we're sitting with our womb or we're like
breathing and meditating or in my experience, I was going
through it at home pregnancy release last year, and so
while I was in my release process, I ate a
gram of mushrooms because I was like, I really want
to understand like why did I get pregnant and with who?

(55:54):
And what does this release mean for me? Beyond the
greater context of not right now, not this time. I'm
like cosmically like what's the deal? What is the big
lesson here? And I feel that mushrooms absolutely assisted me
in like getting the gem, like the nugget of this
is why you're going through this initiation right now, and

(56:15):
this is the yes that the universe is allowing you
to negotiate right now. It's not always like the no, no, no,
I don't want to get pregnant, no no no. It's
like there's a teacher that talks about like tuning into
the yes.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
What is the yes in the situations like.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yes, like I'm praying for life, I'm praying for another chance,
like I'm praying for this lesson. Yes, I'm praying for
the soul to be released back. And this can be
a sacred process, and the mushrooms like reaffirming that divinity,
reaffirming like the sex and the pregnancy releases and the
breakups and those transitions like we know if we've talked

(56:52):
about can be facilitated and made more like.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
A rite of passage. Ceremonial. Absolutely, I.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Was I was just going to say, you know, on
that note, I really I want to continue this conversation,
but I want to continue it on Patreon because I
think we're getting into like the nitty gritty of like
a lot of like cool conversations that I think people
are interested in. And you know, I know that you
like when you're talking about you know, birth releases, like
I think for those who do not know what that means,

(57:22):
it means like at home abortions, right essentially, and that
can be a really you know, difficult triggering topic for
some people too, and and not knowing that they're not
having the knowledge too around what that looks like and
you actually having sovereignty over what that looks like and
not being such a medicalized experience. And also I really
want to talk to you about pregnancy and mushrooms, yeah, absolutely,

(57:44):
which I think obviously is a super stigmatized, overly stigmatized topic.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
And obviously we gotta still dig into the sacred hoe.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yes, yes, not done yet, absolutely, Yeah, aspects of the
sacred Hoe, like preconception, conception, pregnancy, postpart and like it all,
it's all within the sacre Hill archetype so like, and
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I have so much of my business to tell. I
have so many questions.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
So make sure you go and click the link of
this episode description to hear the rest of this episode
on Patreon. Make sure to go to Patreon or go
to patreon dot com backslash Good Mom's Bad Choices to
listen to the rest of this really interesting conversation with Mikayla.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Can I give to your gift?

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Please?

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yeah, because I heard might be in need of this
both the sisters. So the sisters, how long have you
not been on birth control? Probably since.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Right after I had my daughters, like eight years. Wow.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, And I'm so excited for you to like come
come back into your ovulatory cycles too, because that's gonna
I mean, it's like birth control, but it's really like
ovulation suppression, and so you'll be ovulating really regularly, and
so like your whole life is just gonna like catapult.
So purple is for you. This is the Queen An's

(58:57):
Lace tincture, and I want us to try it while
we're here because it's really young passing it. Oh yeah,
I won't make you bleed right now, but it's an implantation.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I'm already bleeding. I'm at the end of my toy. Good,
okay bleed. No, no, no, she's good.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's this is an implantation inhibitors.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
They're the same. It's tan stured in tequila. It has
a little.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It has a little bit of cotton root bark syrup,
so it's sweet and loving. Also cotton, there's a little
bit in there. So go ahead and shake it up
real good. And then what we like to pray is
just like some intentions for our body. So we can
shake and say or visualize right the desired outcome, which
is to stay baby free for a little while longer,

(59:45):
praying for release or whatever it is that feels right
for you. And then you'll go ahead and open it,
squeeze the top a little bit, and then drop it
on the tongue or under, it doesn't matter that.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Just like that and let it just sit in your
mouth for a second and taste the tequila.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
This is Queen Ann's lace. She's a beautiful offering for
your womb and your families. And to remember that there
is a sacred yes in this negotiation, whether that's yes
for medicine, yes for pregnancy, yes for pleasure. She can
help us tune into our sacred Yes, so thank you

(01:00:29):
so much for letting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Me off for these tea both. Thank you absolutely, girl.
I take shots of these.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The reason I even have these for others is because
I make five gallons a year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
That's it, five gallons, one badge and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Then and then I keep it from my command to
take these one exactly. So after seemen exposure exposure, yeah,
you had, you had intimacy. That's my natural birth control guide.
You get to scand that into your phone. Eighteen pages
of education, free.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Books, videos, all this good shit. So that's yep, that'll
take you to it. And so just education is liberation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
And so a lot of people don't step into this
path because they just don't know what's available. So just
helping people to know that this is available, accessible and
honestly not very expensive either. And really back to that literacy,
back to like I can hold myself and my community
can hold me too, is such a luscious and sexist feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I love this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, thank you, and we'll definitely include the links to
your shop and all of your offerings in this episode
description before we get out of here. Two things do
you have an affirmation that you can share with our tribe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I am the embodiment of my ancestors's wildest dreams.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
I am the embodiment of my ancestors' wildest dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I resonate with that. I've had a few very clear
moments in that feeling. I mean, this is one of them,
but like very distinct moments, especially near water where that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Comes up for me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Absolutely, and we did poor, not poor, We pulled the
page of Swords.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Page of Swords is new ideas, curiosity, thirst for knowledge,
new ways of communicating.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
It's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
We're communicating with the plans.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
The Page of Swords is full of energy, passion, and enthusiasm.
When this card shows up in a Tari reading, you're
bursting with new ideas and plans for the future. You
may be excited about starting a new project, pursuing a
new approach, or learning something new. I am you have
so much energy that you feel though you could do
almost anything, and you can. You can have sovereignty over

(01:02:53):
your body.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Oh, I thought that was like really, challenge, however, is
whether you can keep it up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
As with all pages, the beginning always looks promising, but
you need something else to follow through and keep up
the pace. The page of swords can often emerges when
you are exploring a new way of thinking, a new idea,
a new perspective, new knowledge, or a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
New technique like birth control.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
You have a curious mind and a thirst for knowledge.
As you explore this fresh way of thinking, you're asking
lots of questions. Plans are you for me on gathering
as much information as possible? Gathering plants. You're also very
much in the exploratory phase and not mastery. You may
be prone to making mistakes along the way, but your
curiosity means that you are eager to learn from your

(01:03:42):
slip ups. As a sword fromanized communication, this page of
swords suggests that you are exploring a different way of
expressing yourself with others and communicating your ideas and opinions.
You may be drawn to public.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Speaking, what the book, writing a book.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Or a blog, starting a podcast, or more vocal on
social media. You're a natural communicator and ready to take
the next step to share your message with the world. Again,
this is an exploratory phase, so be open to new
ways of expressing yourself and discovering where your inner talent
lies love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I love that, and hopefully also for other people in
the audience too to be resonating with these messages, because
if this is new for people, I hope it like
encourages people to like still feel hungry. No, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
I think there's so much rich information in this space.
And if you, if you, if you didn't get to
tune into Patreon, I want to encourage you to because
we had a really beautiful conversation over there, and then
we really got to dig deep and really explore new
things that I'm really interested in learning more about. So
I'm really grateful that you've come on the show and
shared all your knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Is so knowledgeable. I know you're so smart. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I feel so happy that I have a friend that hey,
your off questions, you know, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Just like honing this toolbox, this toolbox that you know,
we feel like again we're putting these tools in other
people's hands when we have them. We have all the
things that we need right here in front of us.
We don't need to spend you know, thousands of dollars
on things that they're mimicking in nature, right and they're

(01:05:16):
like right here, absolutely, did you have a whorri that
you can share with us, a whole ass story about
hotel you sacred, tell you ah who stories.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
So sometimes when I'm in like the peak of orgasm,
I teleport mm or I have this like embodied experience
of kind of being in like a different space and time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
The brain does amazing things when you're orgasming.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So it's just like I have had visions in sex,
and so I'm thinking of two stories. One where I
was with a dear friend of mine who we had
this funny relationship and I didn't quite put my finger
on why, but when we had sex, it became really clear.

(01:06:12):
Or what would you rather hear about a teleport to
a past life experience that was actually proven to be true?

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Oh that one sounds kind of cool like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
So that was so I was actually sitting with mushrooms
and I was with my partner, my baby daddy now,
and we were intimate in my college space, my college apartment,
which was like a trip dome.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Like it had like a black light.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I had all these cold posters and is like the
you know, I guess stereotypical like tripping room, and so
all of that show was on it was just beautiful
lighting in there, and I was intimate with him and
I was like I was peeking. I was riding him,
and then I started like getting really emotional, like I
feel like I'm not going to see you again. I
don't know why I'm missing you so much, but you're

(01:06:57):
like right here, and I started holding him. I was like,
don't go, and he's like, I'm not going anywhere, and
I'm just like I then got brought back to an
experience where I was living on an island and he
was in like military gear and I looked at him
and he was leaving, and we had had this like

(01:07:19):
relationship while he was deployed or stationed like in my region,
and so I had this like big like release of
like the orgasm and also just this like I'm never
going to see him again. And so when I came down,
I told him. I was like, hey, I had this
really strange shift where I looked different and you looked different.

(01:07:42):
I was crying because like, you were leaving and I
was on an island.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I was on Hawaii. It was really clear.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I was on Hawaii and you were in military uniform
and you were leaving. And he's like that's so funny
because like my great grandfather was like stationed in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Like many generations before.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
That, And I was like, I feel and ever since
I had first met him, like I felt like I'd
known him from somewhere as the day we met, the
night we met, I was like I know him from somewhere,
Like he's super familiar to me. And so me telling
him that, I was like, yeah, I have this weird
storyline with you that like you left after some point
and it was so sweet because he's like, well, I'm

(01:08:23):
not gonna leave right now, and like it was really dope.
It just like reaffirms to me that sometimes these like
hunches that we have or this like feeling of familiarity
with some folks, I really do believe a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Of us are circling around in each other.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It was like over and over, and that orgasm is
a portal, and so I was like just brought to
the space where maybe at a certain time that his
family member and like myself or a family member of
mine might have had this actual exchange some time. Wow,
And oreasm brought me to that, And mushrooms brought me
to that too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Yeah, mushrooms will really bring you to some like deeper
spiritual love and understanding of a motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Absolutely, but thank you for sharing that with me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, I'm grease. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Can you tell our audience where they can find you
and all your amazing information?

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
So my website is mush womb dot Love. I even
got my car license plate mush wom I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
So excited for this terminology.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
And then my Instagram is Mama Dela Mico and also
my TikTok is Mama Dela Miko also, and I answer
all my dms. I love getting into, you know, people's questions.
I think that's where like the bulk of community care
comes from. Is like I'm a child of y'all who
answers like am I perginent or whatever? Like asking questions

(01:09:49):
to the internet. And I feel like now we can
ask like people, you know, directly from people that we
feel like we want to learn from. And it's so
cool to be in like a role where I can
just share what I know. So yeah, please, yeah, reach
out to me. Also, plant b and all of these
other good medicines like mental sea sponges I have access

(01:10:09):
to and I love to share with my community. I
also make in a monagogue tea that helps people bleed
when they want to, and I sell cotton root bark
capsules too, and so really like try to resource my
community because I remember when I was going through my shit,
like it's not readily accessible like right then and there.
So if people have it like well stocked in their space,
they'll never have to feel like they're in a rush

(01:10:30):
or in an emergency or when their friends need something,
they have it ready on hand. So I just want
to get this medicine into the right people's hands so
that we never feel like we are scrambling to get help.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, helleljah, Yes, I love that. Well.

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