From Bipolar to Flowstate: Anthony's Journey

Summary
In this episode, Pete interviews Anthony Palacin, a transformational coach and Flowstate engineer, who shares his journey of overcoming mental health challenges, including a misdiagnosis of bipolar disorder and the discovery of ADHD. Anthony discusses the importance of spirituality, lifestyle changes, and the role of coaching in personal development. He emphasizes the need for self-advocacy and the impact of misinformation in mental health. The conversation also touches on the significance of diet and lifestyle in mental well-being, and how modern coaching methods are adapting to meet the needs of busy individuals.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to an excited He gives her a peak for
ast anxiety.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
My guest today is a problem solver, transformational coach, anical
engineer ad analysts, and he's also known as the flow
state Engineer. Please welcome in the one, the Only Anthony.
How are you doing, Anthony?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
So, Anthony, why don't you tell everybody a little bit
more about your story and then we'll get into what
exactly it is you're doing these days, the real great
stuff you're doing.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
So my story. I was diagnosed with bipolar when I
was about twenty four. Following the end of a job,
I landed in the psychiatric hospital. I was put on
schizophrenia medication because I was manic and I had delusional thoughts,
really high energy, excessive, And after coming out of the hospital,

(01:04):
I actually landed into depression because I was going to
leave the country that I was in. I had no plan,
I had just quit my job, I didn't have friends
wherever I was going, and now I was taking this
schizophrenia medication. And it's taken me quite a while to
make my own way into better mental well being. But

(01:28):
I'm happy to say that eight years later, I'm now
almost a year medication free, and after a six year
journey of reducing my medication progressively because of all the
inner work and the learnings that I've had and the
lifestyle changes that I've made all naturally.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's awesome, man. I mean just thinking about the medication
is just like decided effects. Things like me and my
mother in law watching TV Diity and every time it
was commercials come on. You know, it's make color for commercials.
So exciting, here comes a new medication. You look for
the little catch lines of oh, society fix included, and
we're laughing as we're comparing them because they're like, oh, well,
this one goes with the other one. So I was like,

(02:07):
I'm not a big fan of medications. I don't agree
with them. I don't I think that sometimes we got
a question what they're putting in these things, because if
you look at some of the side effects, it's like, wait,
I'm trying to solve this problem, but now you have
this one to solve that problem, and that it adds
a whole other set of side effects at it. So
that's awesome here man, Like, how did you do it? Though?
Did you just kind of just ease yourself off because
I know it's the most medications, like when they're considered controls.

(02:29):
You got to be really careful how you how you
interact and take yourself off those kind of things.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, I am not a medical professional. I want
to highlight that I'm an engineer and I'm entirely self taught.
You know, make sure that like whatever you get out
of this is educational purposes only inspirationally, and always check
with medical professionals. And yeah, it wasn't so simple as

(02:54):
kind of forcing yourself to wean off of medication. It
Actually we can think of medication as like a crutch.
When we have a broken leg and one of our
legs is not working, we need a crutch in order
to actually do the job of that leg until the
leg heals enough so that it can then function normally. Again,

(03:17):
I think mental illness or struggles that have anything to
do with the mind are a little more complex because
they're so interrelated with physical and environmental and invisible things
that are psychological, traumatic, spiritual causes. So it's been a
big learning journey for one. A lot of tools that

(03:40):
I had to get if I had to give the highlights.
I would put it in three pillars. One pillar was
finding a strong sense of purpose in my life with
clear goals and a clear vision of where I want
to go. A second pillar was discovering the neuroscience behind
flow states, and that helped explain so much for me
and also improve my performance in every aspect, so all

(04:02):
the things related to lifestyle. And the third thing was
actually working on the unconscious patterns through deep inner emotional
trauma work. These are the three major pillars, I would say,
and to kind of wrap around to that, I would
also add spirituality as a general overall boosting pillar. Maybe

(04:22):
there's four pillars, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Challie seems to be coming up lately a lot of
times for a lot of different people, and I think,
you know a lot of people are just like, oh,
that's hogwash or whatever, but it works, Like look at
where you're at now. You got to where you're at
because you put in all the work and did the research,
and you know what was that one defining moment though
where you were like, you know what, I'm done with
these drugs. I can't do this anymore. I need to
start changing my life.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I think it's when I discovered about ADHD. So I
was diagnosed bipolar originally, but I didn't even know that
ADHD existed. I was so locked into this, Am I bipolar?
Am I not bipolar? What happened to me? And it
took It was probably if my whole journey was eight
years since then, it was probably only two years ago

(05:06):
or so that I discovered about ADHD and I started
learning about ADHD, and I was like, oh my god,
this is me, Like this explains my childhood procrastination, This
explains my distractions. This explains why I'm always so into
starting new projects and taking risks and traveling around and
going to festivals and taking drugs and all these things

(05:29):
like chasing dopamine. And for me, when I understood about
ADHD plus complex PTSD being a possible root cause of
triggers for psychotic episodes, for me, that was it. It
was like, my new story is that the bipolar was
a misdiagnosis and actually my real identity, well what I

(05:51):
relate to because I don't identify with ADHD, but I
relate to it. Very good point is is ADHD plus
I had some trauma. And since I've learned about the
trauma and worked on it and released emotions and had
some tears that cried. I was like, Okay, maybe if
this was the root cause, then I don't really need
medication anymore. At least I have I'm always gonna have

(06:13):
a fear that tomorrow I end up psychotic again. That fear.
Maybe it will go away in fifty years. I don't know,
but at least it gave me enough confidence in the
last two years to go. You know what, I talked
to the psychiatrist about it, either I'm gonna switch medication
towards ADHD meds or actually what the solution that he
proposed was, Yeah, just go off of medication and see

(06:38):
where you land on that.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, that's pretty cool though they said that tcius. I
think it's the biggest fear with most people therapy. It
is like like, oh, I don't want to get pun
on pills. It's like, well, you know, like you said,
you're just trying to figure out what the diagnosis. You
got misdiagnosed, So I'm what, do you know a year
it was like there was it like the nineties when
you got diagnosed, because I know, mental health early on
was terrible, Like they didn't know a lot that they

(07:00):
know now, you know, in and I think that's the
hard part about it is like when they started diagnosing people,
they started saying shell shock can only happen to military people.
Then it was PTSD, you know, and and everything starts
evolving as the more information we learned. So like early on,
diagnosis are tough, you know. And you know when people
say they got misdiagnosed, you know, people want to go
start to start the party, go find the monster because

(07:22):
they missed. Like, no, it's because they did with what
they had, with information they had then. You know, it's
like they may have not known everything that they know now,
like you discovered You're like, hey, whoa, hey not this
is more like what I'm dealing with versus what they
were telling me.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, yeah, exactly. No, it wasn't the nineties. I
was actually born in ninety two.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Okay, okay, so you do a baby, all right, okay.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
A little baby. Yeah yeah, but but I've gone deep
in my inner where.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh definitely. Man, I'm impressed. Let me tell you, I've
seen I've seen some of your story on your Facebook page.
I have to say nothing but in price to pably
what you've done. Man, where you've gone and where you've
been pure, pure, powerful, you know, human will man, you
just want to didn't give up. You're like, you know what,
I'm going to dig deep in this thing and I'm
not going to leave it. And I love when you
said I don't identify my diagnosis, which is great because

(08:07):
I think a lot of people take it and run
with that. Well, well, I'm depressed now, so I can't
do anything. It's like, it's just the symptoms that you
deal with. They're giving it a name because this is
what it falls under, but that doesn't identify you as
a person.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, And that's actually where spirituality actually helps, because if
we identify with the minds, the body, the human being,
then that entity is subject to illness and suffering. But
if we can connect to a part of us that
is eternal, for example, a soul or consciousness or whatever

(08:42):
is the observer that we can call awareness, if we
really truly identify with that and we have experiences that
tell us that you could be so much more than
what you believe as a mind and body, that really
helps kind of detach from these self fulfilling prophecies, you know,
because if we tell ourselves that's where ill were broken.

(09:06):
Where something something, it's only going to amplify that that loop.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think you're right, man. I think you're hitting all
good points there too. Because the mind is a very
powerful thing. You know they say when they use ten
percent of it, man, just think if you can lock
the potential more of it, you know, and what the
things you could do with it from there. It's just
it's crazy because all these people out there are always like, oh,
I'm oh, I'm depressed, and it's like, you know, that's
cool that you know, you want to talk about your

(09:31):
symptoms and things like that. But I think like you
you said to me, helps you unlock your another level
of thinking basically, because now you're open to the idea
of something being there that you physically can't see, because
you know, that's always been the big argument, is God real?
And like well, CNN actually did a really good documentary
about you know, Jesus' self, you know, when he was
going on, and it was like it's hard to say
no that this person didn't exist or somebody existed, and

(09:53):
because there's all these different events that led up to
where he was, you know, like, hey, there's a person
here fitting this description there was. It changed my mindset
to day because I wasn't a big religious person until
accepted faith reason last year, because it was always the
way it was given to you. It was just like
it was like force fed to like, oh, everything you
do is so bad, this higher power is going to
judge you for everything you do. And it's nothing like that.

(10:15):
And you know, it's a lot of misinformation that floats
around when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think no matter what you believe in,
whether it's one God, no God, multiple gods, at the
end of the day, there is an experience. We can
all agree that there are things here we can move,
we have some sort of control, we see things, we
agree on what we see, and we have an experience.

(10:39):
Feelings move through us, energy fluctuates, and whatever you want
to call that, or whatever you want to call the
reason for that. That is something way beyond the individual.
And so that is the no matter what kind of
I'm not very interboxing people in and I'm you know,
I've been exposed to quite a lot of religions and

(11:01):
spiritual teachings, so I don't I don't preach anything, and
I don't tell people what to believe in. But I
do help people connect to whatever it is that they
believe into a depth that makes it make sense for them.
And you know, we can call it nature. Even if
you don't.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Believe, a lot of people there the ground to you
know what I mean, Anthony, They tend to go outside
and you know, it's weird and people tell you, like,
go outside with your socks off and go just go
feel the earth, you know, or to hug a tree,
and it's it's funny because a lot of people like
to call it, you know, tree hugging hippies, so you know,
the whole phrase that came out, but it makes sense.
So you're grounding yourself, you know, Like breadthwork is a
big thing too, you know, all using your own body

(11:41):
to fix these a lot of these problems and re
central you know, reset yourself and things like that too.
And I think that people need to understand there's other
things out there, like you know, talk their piece great
for some people, but there's so many different things that
people are doing, like yourself and other people like Mad
on this show that are just doing really interesting things
out there. It's like why not try it? What do
you have to lose at this point, you know, you

(12:02):
only live one life. What are you gonna say, Okay,
well it didn't work for me, Okay, cool, you heide it.
You didn't you didn't judge it. You just went for it,
you know, and just gave it a shot. But people
are so afraid these days because they're like, I think
it's the fear of failure, is what it is. People
get so scared. They're afraid it's not gonna work. Oh,
there's nothing else to do. It's like, you can't give up, man,
Like you know, think of all these other people that
did things. If they would have given up, we wouldn't
have half the things we have now. We wouldn't have

(12:23):
the light bulb, we'd have all these other tided things.
You know that people invent it, you know, and you
know the things that you're doing and other people are
doing is it's quite inspirational because it's like you're proving
that Okay, well I don't need medication. This is how
I did it. Now, I'm not telling you this is
the proven track of you know, I'm you know, you're
not trying to come from an experts and you're like, hey, listen,
this is what I did. How about you could try

(12:43):
this and see what happens.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
You know, yeah, exactly, because there are so many tools.
As you say, I mean, I've been a big meditator
for a long time, and probably thirty years ago science
and medicine was dismissing meditation like something that all monks
in the Himalayas would be doing. But now it's actually
being integrated into the medical system. There are actually some

(13:08):
pioneers out there with masters and PhDs who are doing
the research and showing through brain scans that look, we meditate,
we're reducing anxiety by this person, we're actually increasing the
brain resilience, we're growing new cells faster, and we're feeling better.
Like that's real stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, no, I agree, man, I agree. So let's get
into what you're doing now. So tell everybody what what
is you're currently working on now? Because I know you
have some kind of a program or something you're working with.
I know you're a well being coach. What's it like,
say somebody signs up for a session with you to
give them an idea what it would be like if
they come and meet with you, so they get an
idea of what they're kind of get a little taste
of you know what I mean, you want to get

(13:49):
them all enticed a little know. Hey, listen, this is
what it would be like. So in case any other
preconceived notions, they can be like, well, Antie's gonna be
like this. You don't know what Antie's going to be like.
Antie's about to tell you right now what it's like
to be in one of those sessions.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, So the first thing that I do with anybody,
anybody that comes into my world, and this doesn't have
to be linked to a session either. One can do
this without getting a coaching session, but rather get this
as a side and if they want to do it
on their own. But I always start with an evaluation process.

(14:23):
It's a self evaluation and it's a questionnaire that covers
I think about twenty thirty somewhere in that range different characteristics.
So some of it is self belief, mindset, motivation. Some
of it is lifestyle habits like sleep, exercise, nutrition, mindfulness,
social life, headclutter. How many stuff you have going on

(14:45):
in your head, how many big projects and how many
small little to do list items that are all just
causing so much chaos in the head. All of this,
plus a whole bunch of productivity skills like focus and
single tasking and organizing, setting goals, environmental factors. All of
this I look at and we score them from one

(15:06):
to ten based on that. I call this the flow profile,
and it's basically the roadmap which leads you to the
awareness of what skills are you strong on and what
skills could be improved, and most importantly, how do they
compare side by side, Because, for example, if you're a
ten out of ten on motivation and a seven out

(15:27):
of ten on sleep, but you're a one out of
ten on goal setting, then it's an obvious choice we're
going to work on goal setting first, but if it's
a little closer, so it's not only each individual's score,
but also how they compare to each other, which determines
how we're going to co create the roadmap that's going

(15:47):
to lead to the most amount of results in the
least amount of time.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, no, I like it. I think that's awesome. I
think how you're doing And it makes sense you're trying
to identify weaknesses because if you ask people what's your weakness,
it's like most people couldn't answer that question. Honestly, Mandy,
you look at you like, well, you know, I don't know,
you know, and you come up with some generic answer.
But this one, it sounds like you've already got the system.
So how long did it take for you to develop
this whole system? Was this just because you know? It

(16:14):
obviously took a little time because you have it well
thought through. The way you just explained it to us
is that you're breaking them down and categorizing things. So
it was there a lot of trial and error when
you were doing it. In the beginning.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Prior to discovering the neuroscience of flow and going deeper
into the coaching journey, it was pretty much intuitive. I
was operating from a wheel of life perspective, which was
more like broad categories spirituality, finances, exercise, whatever. But since

(16:44):
I've had the flow state training and a different model
to see high performance through, I was able to then
create this model over time. I trained in flow states
in twenty twenty one. So it's probably taken me for
you to develop this model, and most of it was
in the first couple of years, but it's been There

(17:05):
are some incremental improvements that have been made in the
last few years and it's just it's just getting better
and better.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's awesome, though. I mean you're you're constantly evolving it
where it needs to be. You're you're constantly to ticking
with it, trying to make sure works. I mean you
put the work in though. Four hours of neuros, four
years in neuroscience study. Man, I love neuroscience. Like what
I've learned a little bit of it. We were being
other guests were talking about you know, negative negative self talk,
and we just she was saying that they discovered there's
another part of your brain that causes all that kind

(17:34):
of stuff. And it was interesting. But it wasn't like,
you know, when you talked to her, it wasn't like
you were lost in the whole conversation of neuroscience because
I knew nothing about it until then and we got
in this deep conversation. It was so fascinating because you
started learning all these new things about you know, what
you didn't know. So that that's cool.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Are you constantly looking for new things to add and
things like the two You've got to be like looking
to try and stay ahead of the curve.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah. There. And what's incredible is there is so much
out there now. I mean, there are scales and metrics
for all sorts of evaluations dealing with flow. Flow is
one of those little bit transcendental states that has overlapped
with spirituality and near death experiences or peak experiences that

(18:18):
are just a not ordinary state of consciousness that we're in.
And there's actually a scale to measure that. There's so
there's a there's a way to measure everything. And I've
been over the years collecting all of the different factors
that contribute to one's performance and well being and putting
it together basically.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, So let me ask you this question though, when
you started this whole thing and you were explaining it
to people that you know, were on medication, like, hey, listen,
you don't need that medication. Possibly I may be able
to help you. Did they look at you kind of
like you were was like like what huh? Because you
know how it is when people get so like stuck
in a system, or they're stuck in like a routine
or that oh I got to take this pill, or
is my life's gonna come melting down? You know what

(19:01):
I mean those type of people. Did you run to
a lot of like pushback from people like that.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah. So, first of all, I don't tell people and
I don't offer to people help for coming off of medication.
I mean, that's a journey that one has to do
with their healthcare practitioners. But like from a legal perspective,
I am a personal development coach.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh okay, God got you know?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Okay, that personal development could give you the confidence and
the knowledge and the tools that you need in order
to then take that journey of coming off medication with
the medical professionals. So because I never I never tell
people that, I just share my story.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you that question. You share
your story with them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
The other thing that I've been sharing for a long
time is we don't know everything that there is to
know about mental health, and there are factors that are inseparable.
We cannot know if the problem comes from within our
mind and body or within our environments until we start
separating those two things out and start learning skills that

(20:12):
we can learn in order to kind of maximize the
performance in any environment and thus separate the impacts of
environments factors.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. So let me ask
you this though, with social media being introduced, Okay, so
we all know how a lot of misinformation floats around you.
Is there's some stuff you see that just like jumps out,
jumps out here and goes like you all need to stop.
It's just horrible because I know you probably see a
lot of it and you're just like okay, ill. You know,
it's like it kind of gives you that kind of
like ick feeling, like you're like, that's not right, you know,

(20:46):
because you know, I know when it comes to social media,
is there's so much information out there with the Internet
being introduced in the ninetech and zero, and now you
have all this at your fingertips. That's I think it's
it's a good and evil balance, honestly, you think about
it because a lot of people get a lot of misinformation.
So if you have you seen some things that just
like you like, no, stop listening to those.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah. I used to follow a lot of generic motivational
stuff and some of it is great if it works
for you, particularly if it's a well known practitioner who
can really give the nuance. I think. I think one
of the things to be very wary of are messages

(21:24):
in a short format, and not because of the short
format itself, although that's that's its own conversation. But because
short formats just don't cover enough depth to really give
you the nuance that you need. For example, people might
be preaching discipline, but we don't know if somebody preaching

(21:44):
discipline to someone is actually going to trigger guilt and
shame in someone for struggling to be able to actually
do the thing they want to be disciplined that So
that's one thing. There's a lot of toxic positivity as well.
Sometimes if you're trying to trick your brain with positivity
that you feel inside, either on a soul level or

(22:07):
on a gut level, like I don't believe this, it's
because there is a built in bullshit detection mechanism inside
of you and you're not meant to believe it because
that is a factor too. So you need to really
be met where you're at with either a practitioner or
some education tools and systems that are holistic, that have

(22:29):
an understanding of trauma, that are aligned with you on
your spiritual views or incorporated in some way, and that
are in the area that you're interested in ideally as
close to your situation as possible. But yeah, there's a
whole bunch of misinformation out there, and it's that it's
really tricky because of the nuance. That's a big detail.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think it's just there's so
much floating around, you know, and when COVID hit was
it just start overflowing amounts of such just coming up
because nobody knew anything, you know, and everybody had no
idea what was going on those situations as an example,
you know, and then it's you see these people come
on and they're like, well, depression isn't real. It's this
and this. It's like stop like stop telling people this,

(23:15):
and you know, not enough people go and check and
see what their what their background is, like like what,
how okay, so cool you're telling me about depression. What
is your background at? Do you have any any kind
of training? Have you done any kind of research? You know,
these kind of things I think people don't ask enough
questions about. And you know, advocating for their own mental
health care too, And it's the same thing with your
doctors to advocate for your yourself, like don't be afraid

(23:38):
to tell people know like you know, like hey, listen,
I don't like this, or do research into what they're
telling you to put in your systems, because I think
a lot of people they blindly trust people, but they don't,
like they don't look into what it is. And then
they're like, oh, well, you know, it's like like we
were talking about the side effecting, you know, like if
you look at some of these side effects, it's like,
whoa hold on, wait a minute' about to put this
in my body and it's telling me that it's going

(23:58):
to cause possibly more problems than already have now. And
I know with the psychmads, it gets really interesting with
the side effects alone, like you know, and and I
know from some few people have talked to you, they
said that some of them make them feel like zombies
because you know, they were putting too much in their system,
you know. And it's it's it's what I think. It's
what scares people the most is that they're like, like
I said, that seems to be the ongoing phrase that

(24:19):
happens when you ever mentioned anything about therapy of any
sort or any kind of mental A lot don't we
put on pills? Well, I don't want them to tell
my boss. They can't tell your boss. There's a confidentiality thing,
you know, And it's it's it's so it's it's kind
of fear mongering in a little bit because it's like
people are so scared of it because the're afraid they're
gonna get to put on a pill. But it's like,
what is what are you experiencing that? Maybe because those
people that are put on medication a lot of times

(24:41):
it's to help stabilize them for some of that stuff
depending on what it is, or or they they go
and take the route you did and you know, start
looking at how to how to improve themselves to better
you know, handle these symptoms they're dealing with.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I have been in that zombie state myself,
and it's actually a big part of the reason why
I did my own investigation, like I was not gonna
live my life like this my whole life, or at
least if I had to, then I would be choosing

(25:14):
to because there's not a better alternative. I e. It's
really true that I need this in order to live
a higher quality life and be it's really true that
if I break free from it, my quality of life
is gonna go worse. Until digging that deep, you can't

(25:35):
necessarily conclude and one of the sad things today is
that people have lost a lot of empowerment and trust
in themselves because of the system where actually a big
part of the causes of mental problems are actually systemic.
They are societal. They are the stress of day to

(25:57):
day life. They are the pollution, they are the toxins,
they are the disconnection from nature and deep relationships and community.
All these things you can improve either in parallel to
or after or before taking pills. So there's many many
ways that you can go about the journey.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, no, I agree. And a lot of people are
overworked and they're burnt out, and all those other things
keep playing factor. And like you said, you know, you're
when you're checking people to see where they're at their
sleep score, which I think sleep is a very overlooked
one too. A lot of people don't get enough sleep,
and then it's the build up over time is and
then you just start developing these problems where you start
like you start maybe start seeing some things possibly because

(26:36):
you're sleep not sleeping enough and in your brain is
playing tricks on you at the same time. You know,
and I think people overlook you know, what they're eating,
to their diet as well to a lot of the
stuff they put in all this other stuff. If they
really start reading labels, man, it'll scare you. Some of
those labels you're reading, Like you read some stuff you're like,
holy crap, dude, I'm putting this in my system, and
like you you can't read and understand some of the

(26:56):
things in there. It's kind of like, yeah, maybe it's
a it's a good thing, probably not to eat that,
you know, and think about it, Like, like sodas are
so addictive too, Like sugar's really addictive for people as well.
Like if you look at these bottles of soda, like
Mountain Dew used to have like fifty grams of sugar,
you know, some around there, but now if you look
at a bottle of it, it's like seventy two grams
of sugar. It's like, holy crap, dude. You know we

(27:17):
have diabetes going on, and you know obese, you know things,
but you're adding more sugar into these things to make
them more addictive. And then you're like, well, I didn't
know anything about it. Well crap, you knew exactly what
you're doing. And it's it's crazy because none of the
people are reading these labels, are not even advocating for
themselves and just saying no, no, I don't want this
because we live in a we want it now kind
of society, you know, think about it. Everything we have

(27:39):
is you know, a lot more popular pastes like McDonald's.
What's good that McDonald's. You have that food within seconds,
But we don't think about what we're putting in and
how that affects our state of mind though, because when
you start putting all that crap in, then it starts
causing you have an altered state of mind, and people
don't think about it. Like you know, the guy that
did that thirty day documentary about how you ate McDonald's
for thirty days. If you watch him, just watch his

(28:00):
mental health to start deteriorating. He's just like, I don't
want to get up, I feel sluggish, I'm feeling nasty,
you know what I mean. Like you could just see
this poor guy struggling to make it to the end
of this thing, and his health alone was getting effected.
But you know, I don't think he did. Nobody really
looked at the aspects of what his state of mind
was by the end of that.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, absolutely, the food industry is Yeah, I'm going to say,
a part of the problem. I mean, when people put
profits over health, that's not a sign of a healthy society.
Of course, we can argue that everything has its space,

(28:36):
and so long as you don't overindulge in something you
know too much, too frequently, then it's fine. Your body
can handle it. But it's not ideal. And the problem
as well is that it's more overwhelmingly available than it

(28:57):
is the opposite. It's not the luxury to have a
fast food, it's more the norm. And that's that's the
difficult thing about these times. In parts, it really takes
a sort of rebellion and like running uphill in order
to challenge that status quo. But the thing on the
other end of the sea, saw is it's your health,

(29:17):
it's your lifespan. So yeah, that's what they'll.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Be thinking about that though. Thing. Remember, everybody's weren't such
a go go go kind of world. It's like everybody's like, oh, well,
it's covenient for me to get this there, and you know,
and it's like I fall prayed to it sometimes too.
But you know, it's like some of these people make
What he was mentioning in the documentary is that some
of these people eat like three or four times a week,
and it's just like, oh my god, dude, look at
how many calgaries you're putting in, you know, And I

(29:41):
think that it also does nout because you know, then
you have those influencers on social media. They are the
ones that are just filling their heads with this, Well,
you can't eating this stuff. You can't, like you said,
if you, if you, it's all about how much you're
putting in, you know, like, Okay, well don't overindulge. But
these people are fear monitoring. It's so bad that it's
like they ok at anything other than what their high

(30:02):
priced items and things are. Oh well, no, I have
to have this. And it's scary to see how easy
people are meant are controlled by those kind of things.
Do you ever running the people that have like I'm
sure you're running the people have like bodies, dysmorphia and
things like that because the Internet doesn't help because they
see all these pretty people. If I'm not pretty, then
I feel like I'm not going to fit the status quo.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, I mean I used to struggle with obesity before
I had my mental health problems. I had physical health problems.
I had asthma when I was a kid. Before obesity,
I had obesity, which was seriously limiting my athletic performance,
my motivation to do anything physical, my social performance, my confidence,

(30:45):
my dating life. And so when this became a huge
problem for me, I started going deep into that area,
and lots of things improved, But it took a lot
of conscious work and all that. To say, even the
time where I've had a healthy weight and I've maintained
a healthy weight for several years, I was still dissatisfied

(31:08):
with my body because I didn't have the six pack,
because X Y Z, And that's psychological problems.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
People would tell me I'm attractive, people would tell me
blah blah blah, But from within my own psyche, I
didn't believe it because the beliefs about my own body
they formed when I was so young, and so they're
so deeply ingrained and so attached to those developmental stages
and emotions that it takes a lot of depth and

(31:36):
layers in order to get to them and reprogram them.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. No, I agree, man, it takes a little while
to do it in people. Then these people have sen
those like you said, the short forms of listen, I
can fix your problems seventy two hours. Yeah, that's probably
a bad sign. Somebody says they can fix your issues
in twenty four hours or seventy two hours or oh
just after two sessions. Well you'll be feeling okay, maybe
you'll feel fine for a little bit, but then it's
you go right back because you can't rush it. And

(32:01):
I think that's that's the problem. Like I said to
people in this we want it now. It's but when
it comes to things like that, it takes time, Like
trauma takes time to get over to Like even I
have problems. I have this problem where I can't forget
my mom when she abandonim was ten. I still work
on it every day and it's hard though it's I'm
forty years old.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
She did it when I was ten, So for thirty
years it caused a ripple effect in my whole life
until I finally started, you know, talking to somebody about
the problem. It's just that road hump that I can't
go over. It's like that wall that never stops extending
no matter what it is. I just won't let go
of it. Kind of thing. You know it's it's constant,
it constant work. You know, it's it's not like you know,
don't expect some me to have the magic here for

(32:38):
you the next day. You know what I'm saying, because
you like, it's all about your state of mind as
well too, you know, and you know, don't don't feel
defeated either if you don't get it figured out right away.
It takes a little time, Antony, they'll tell you it
took him a little time to get his situation figured out.
But you know, he's for proof right there that if
you put your mind to it and you just don't
give up on yourself, you could you can get somewhere. No,
And like I said, man, you you did great things

(32:59):
on your own to invest it in yourself, worried about
trying to get your own self. He did the research.
And now you're you're helping other people out too. Now
you've got a great system figured out. The way you're
in taking people. I absolutely love it how you're you're
basically identifying what it is that their strong suites and
the weaknesses are. That way you can help them better
evolve and things like that too. So you have anything

(33:20):
new coming up that we need to know about anything
you want to brag about for us. Look at you
last week.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'm moving more into an asynchronous style of working with people.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So do you want to but do you want to
explain what that is for everybody with in case any
becauesn't know what that means?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, uh, not coordinated in time, so it doesn't have
to be scheduled sessions. It's more about the quick text,
the quick voice notes quick.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I like it, you're adapting to you're adapting to that,
we need it now kind of thing. I like it.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a course that
is created and that of course it depends when you
listen to this podcast, so you know, it might have
been existing for ten years now, but as of now, yeah,
it's being continuously improved and working with people on a

(34:16):
hybrid basis to go through the course. Usually there's already
a lot of videos that are gonna be helpful for
exactly the next step, so that the next step can
just take less than fifteen minutes per week if they want.
That's the idea is to have the knowledge that is
shared and the next steps and baby steps of progress

(34:38):
every single week with the least amount of effort. So
no need to coordinate on meetings, no need to coordinate
time zones, no need to whatever, Just quick message here
and there and quick action steps, quick feedback. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I think I think we're spect people that are those
high profile people that are always like busy, you know
a lot of like Izaki's and things like that, the
high level people that are always on the move. I
think it's great because they can digest it when they
got it fifteen minutes. Say, okay, listen, you got fifteen minutes.
It's only fifteen minutes. You're not asking for two hours
or anything else. You're like, hey, listen, you can spend
fifteen minutes while you're getting ready listening to the video
and watching it while you're getting ready. You know what

(35:15):
I'm saying. Like that easy of a thing to do.
So I love it. I think it's a great idea.
How you're adapting to the we want it now type
of people. So in case you run into those types
of well I don't have time for this, Okay, well cool,
So I have this other idea I'm working on, and
then you start pitching them the idea, this is what
I'm doing. I have quick messages fifteen minutes every week,
you know, quick little text here and there. You know,
that's all. It is, just one text message and you're done.

(35:35):
You don't have to spend a lot of time on it.
And I love how you're constantly adapting to better fit
the needs other people. Man, that's already a sign of
a great, great thinker right there alone, man, because you're
already ahead of the game, going, hey, listen, how better
can I evolve this idea to make it more sense,
you know, to adapt to other people that are always like, oh,
I'm constant on to go, you know, and things like
that too, which is great.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
With that being said, actually, yeah, I just want to
make this point. In the twenty first century, we're now
living in a world of AI chat. GPT is becoming
the new Google. Like when people have a question or something,
they're not going to Google it and look through like
two or three links. They're gonna ask Chad gypt and go,
oh okay, now this is exactly the response I needed.

(36:19):
Plus Chad GPT knows all of my history of everything
I've ever asked it, you know. And it's not just CHADGPT,
it's any app and the technology is here to stay
and it's only going to get faster and better. So
you know, the only time that will really need the
human element is for that emotional human connection kind of

(36:39):
release stuff, and that physical connection and all this. But
we have all of the informational solutions and material solutions
at a click of a button, and actually the cutting
the edge of No, that's not the expression I was
looking for. The downside, the other side of the coin

(37:02):
to this amazing world of information access is that we
are so overwhelmed. We actually have way too many choices
and way too many stuff to dig into. And that's
where this kind of quick feedback mode of an offer
comes in. It's like, I know, you can get all
the information you want tailored to you through AI, but

(37:24):
if you want help picking what information to tune into,
this is where you ask a human who've already been
through that information and been through the process and figured
out what are the trade offs between each So that
you don't have to do the deep dive research about
every option. You can just go, hey, what's your thoughts
on this or that?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Okay, next, No, I agree, I think that's great. I
think it's you had a really good point there. Though,
you know, in I think it's great. I love it, man.
I think what you're doing is great. I think that
the fact you're adapting on the go to fit the need.
And then you know, the whole thing in AI is likely.
Make it work for you, don't live it, make it,
don't let it work you basically essentially, you know, make
it work to your benefits, like you know, because it's

(38:05):
great cheetee kind of help you with a lot of
things and help you do things faster than most Google searches.
Can you know for us old school cats use Google
all the time, you know. But anyways, yeah, I'm here,
And it was right at the part of the show
where I like to ask you two questions. I ask
all my guests the same questions. So the first one
comes in credit to a friend of mine. She was
a podcast called The Shit That Goes On Her Heads.

(38:26):
She asked me when we and her interview the first
time we met. She said to me, and I'm gonna
ask you the same thing, Anthony. If your mental health
had a song, what would that song be. That's a
good question.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
It's amplified by above and beyond.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I love it. I love it, man, It's a great
question because you get so many interesting responses and a
lot of people are like, damn, that's a really good question.
All right. So the next question and the purpose of
this whole podcast is if you could break this stigma
about anything about mental health. I'm talking about anything you
see on a daily basis. You're just like, please stop listening.
This is what you need to know. What would you
think that would be?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
You are perfect as you are. You are not broken.
Your mind, your body, your spirit, your emotions is responding
in the best way that it judges to the situation
and the environment that you're in, given the knowledge that
you have, and from there just anchor into that because

(39:17):
it's applicable for every single moment of your life. Your greats,
You're doing great, you have infinite potential and it gets
to be better.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I think I can say it any even myself. Anthony,
thanks so much for being on the show today. Mat
do be a favorite. Can you go on and telebrate
where they can find you? What's the best way to
reach you. You can plug your soulcials, you put your website
anything you want. Man, here's the time you sell it
to them. Tell them where they can get you.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah. The best way to connect with me is through
my website, which is www. Dot Palasin. That's my last name,
Pa l a Cin dot co dot uk so uk website.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Awesome sounds great, guys and guys, I will put that
in the bioto the show and everything else. If you're
listening at home, it'll be in the Spotify link or
where else you're listening to you, Anthony, thank you so
much again for coming man. I enjoyed having this conversation.
I think what you're doing is great. And if you
come up with anything else you'd like to come back
and share with us, listen, you reach out, we'll figure out,
we'll get you back here.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Man, such a pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Definitely, guys and what that's being said, we wrap up
this episode of Pete for Anxiety. Guys, you know where
to find me. I'm ex all the way down to TikTok,
I'm on Spotify all the way down to Pandora Radio
now and as always say, it costs nothing, absolutely not
to be kind somebody. One kind act you could do
can save same of life for helly. Can you make
their day? I'm Pete for so Anxiety, saying I'm saying,
don't ask how your day is today, Say hey, how's
your mental health today? That respect that I preakline tegrity

(40:37):
am my word