"From Burnout to Brilliance: Angie Hawkins' Journey"

Join Pete as he delves into a heartfelt conversation with Angie Hawkins, an inner glow coach and author of "Running in Slippers." Discover Angie's transformative journey from a people-pleaser to a powerhouse, her struggles with mental health, and her mission to help women find their inner glow. This episode is a testament to resilience, authenticity, and the power of self-discovery. Tune in for an inspiring story that challenges societal norms and encourages personal growth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to aother exciting episode of Pete for Anxiety My
guess today is an inner glow coach. He transforms women
from burn up people pleasers to lift up, lit up
powerhouses who fiercely rady confidence and attracts love, happy success
they once chase. She's also the author of Running in
stuffings Peak Welcome in the One the Only, Angie Hawkins.
How are you doing today, Angie?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Good Pete, thank you for having me?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Well, so glad you're here. Why did you tell me
a little more about yourself?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, like you said, I'm an inner glow coach.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I help women stop chasing love and stop performing for
to prove their enough so they can finally feel happy, confident,
and love for who they are. And this career choice
was inspired by my own personal journey, which starts in
my childhood, as I think it does for most of us.
I grew up in a home both of my parents

(01:08):
were extremely emotionally available, amongst other things, and as an adult,
I understand what that means and I understand why they
were the way they were, But as a child, I
didn't really have those tools to make sense of it.
So the way I interpreted the situation is that I
developed the belief that I didn't deserve to be loved. So,

(01:29):
as you are probably aware, your beliefs determine your behaviors,
which determine what you attract in your life. So I
struggled for a very long time in life because I
was a people pleaser, I was a perfectionist. I was
I was the one chasing love and performing for validation
and everything outside of myself, which is extremely exhausting. So

(01:51):
I knew I wasn't happy and fulfilled, but I really
didn't know any other way to live.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And where my transformation started.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Twenty seventeen, my boyfriend broke up with me, and then
my dad passed away and I was thirty seven and
I had spent thirty seven years running away for my
feelings and doing everything I could to not feel them.
But the grief was so profound that I couldn't not
feel them if I tried, so for the first time,
I was face forced to face my feelings.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yet I didn't have the.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Tools for emotional regulation, so it just felt like everything
was just consuming me, and basically it just didn't go
well at all. But the good thing that came out
of that was it did force me to start reflecting
on how I was living my life, and I realized
that things needed to change. So I was living in

(02:45):
Chicago at the time, and I decided to be happier
that I wanted to move to Hawaii, which was well
intentioned in the sense that I did want to make
changes to live a happier life, but it was still
following that theme of looking for things outside of myself
to be the thing that made me happy. So when
I moved here, you can't move away from your problems.

(03:07):
So not only did I still have all my existing problems,
I developed a whole new set of problems. So, for example,
I had a really hard time making friends here, and
any friends that I did have were four thousand miles
away in Chicago, so it felt very lonely and isolating.
This was in eighteen and so before remote work was

(03:29):
the trinity thing to do. But I was very fortunate
and that my job let me move and keep my job.
But the problem with that was, first of all, not
other many other people were working remote, so that was
like a dynamic that left me uncertain of my role.
But then there was also a huge management shake up
at work that threatened my role. So the first year

(03:50):
that I lived here, I lived in constant fear of
losing my job. And then, oh, the other big thing
that happened when I moved here is that to prove
I was committed and all in on my decision, I
bought a condo immediately. But then a month after I closed,
which was only like two months after I lived here,
a shared pipe in the building backflowed into my bathroom

(04:11):
sync and I wasn't home, so my entire condo totally flooded.
So those were just like three things right off the bat,
and then the next two years was just like thing
after thing after thing, And because I was reaching outside
of myself for things to make me happy, and all
these things outside of myself were unraveling, in turn, my

(04:32):
internal world just started unraveling. And then COVID happened that
I don't think I have to explain how that exacerbated
the situation. And then the straw that broke the camel's
back was the end of a relationship during COVID, and
it basically ended in betrayal because he had been lying
to me. So I was just at this point, and

(04:52):
I think we all come to a point at certain
times in our lives where we're like, I can't take
this anymore. So not only was I feeling that way,
I just had this overwhelming feeling of hopelessness because it's
like things have never gone well and I didn't see
any hope for the future because it's like in my mind,
I was like, it's always going to be like this.

(05:12):
So I intentionally overdosed on my anxiety medication in an
attempt to take my own life, and I spent a
day and a half unconscious in my bathroom. I spent
a day and a half in a hospital, and I
was released from the hospital and I called a friend
and I told her everything that happened, and I ended
with I can't believe I didn't die, and her response

(05:36):
was it's not your time. And it was so profound
to hear that, and I was like, Okay, maybe I
do have a purpose. So that's what inspired me to
actually do the inner work and make the changes to
turn my life around.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, no, I get that completely. So you're there day
and a half. Did did someone find you?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
So I was totally blacked out, So I don't even
remember doing this, but some how I managed to text
a friend and she took me to the hospital. And
I feel like, you know, because my brain was in
a certain place. But I think your soul really knows
what you truly want. So I think there was a
part of me that didn't want to die, and that's

(06:17):
a part of me that texted my friend for help.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, I get that completely. So first question, though,
cubs are socks. Anybody's listening, it's from Chicago. Will knows
exactly why I asked you this question because I'm from
Chicago myself, and we are. We'm gonna die her white
Sox fan.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's why I wear this hat right here, say white Sox.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Okay, look, she's like one for the same thing.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I didn't even notice that was white Sox because it's red.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah it's a it's a special edition one. But yes,
I am a massive White Sox. As soon as I
saw you from Chicago's like, oh, yes, this is gonna
be great because I was born in Displays, so I
lived there for the longest time now but now I
live in Texas though too. But I just like, I
was like, oh, it's so great. We're gonna be a couple.
Chicago kids are chatting it up, you know. And it's just.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I was actually just talking to someone the other day
because they were like asking me about Cubs games, and
I'm like, oh my god, I hate Cubs games. It's
like a huge frat party and it gets progressively worse
as time goes on.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree. No, we don't like
the Cubs. That are they We're ingreened to think, go
piss off somewhere. But you know, that's that's great though.
You took a you took a leap of faith though,
jump going to Hawaii though. That'd be an amazing location
to be in. But I mean it sounds like it
was all we're all for what needed to be happening though,
you know. It's just like it was a plan in
place that you needed to do to get there. And

(07:31):
you know, it's great though, because I got understand it
because everybody's remote jobs were at risk now with every
COVID being there. And when COVID went away, everybody was like,
they're so excited being at home being remote. A lot
of people are thinking told they had to go back
to the office. So it was a lot of changes,
you know. And the funny thing was a lot of
people had to be re taught how to talk to
people in an office setting, which always to me, it
was always made me laugh because I'm just like, what

(07:52):
do you mean did I've been in the trenches since
day one of this thing, you know, so it's it's
nothing new to me, like being remote. It was like,
it always mean laugh though, it's can you have to
retrain people how to interact with other people?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Come on? Really, Like we talk to people all day,
We're online all day doing all these other things, but
we can't talk to people in person.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, it is a different experience because when I and
one of the reasons why it was so easy for
me in twenty eighteen to move here and work remotely
is because I was working from home most of the
time when I was living in Chicago. I lived in
Old Town and my office was in the loop. So
if I was feeling cabin fever whatever, I wanted to

(08:31):
be around people, it was super easy for me to
go into the office. But I realized when I moved here,
having that dynamic taken away was a big deal. And again,
I didn't have friends or didn't really know anybody here,
So it's like I didn't even have the outlet to
go into an office to be around other people. So
it actually did take me about a year to get

(08:53):
used to one hundred percent remote work. So that was
the good thing about COVID. I didn't have that adjustment
pier that other people were struggling with. But I understood
why they were struggling with it, because it is hard.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah. Yeah, because we didn't know much about it, you know,
and all every just all the people we lost, and
all the craziness of were going on, and people are
using to wear a masks, this and that. It just
became like a complete you know, psychic warfare because people
are getting mad. They're like, I don't want to do this.
I know here in Texas to a lot of people
are just like, why I don't want our masks? Don't
like I did. As long as they're paying my paycheck,
I'm wearing this mask. I don't know to tell you,

(09:26):
but you don't need to wear that if you don't
need to get vacciny. You know, everybody has an opinion,
which is great, but you know, it's like, yeah, so
let's talk about people pleasers. You know, how do you
identify some of that as a people for people pleaser
for the people that don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
People pleaser is someone who basically lives their life for
other people. For example, in my situation, part of my
healing process was learning who I was because I had
spent so much time being who other people wanted me
to be. Like an example would be old me and
this conversation I would be saying things that I would

(10:03):
think that you wanted to hear or or that would
make you sound good for your podcast, whereas me now,
I'm just being me. And you know, if that fits
your vibe, fine, if it doesn't, fine, No.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I love I love the title of the profile already
when it says connecting through vunabuilding it self for yourself.
I don't give up anyone things. I love it. I
think it's the mentality to have them. I mean, people
may't call me an asshole, but it's being honest. So like,
I mean, that's the that's the real deal about it.
Like you know, it's just if you don't like me,
there's the fucking door for you. For most people, and
I think those some people you understand, a lot of
these people just like give into it or they getting

(10:36):
these relationships where where they're basically taught that they have
to be they have to be some missive to their partner,
and I just I just get that whole thing. I
don't think it's like I'm just like No, that's still
like old world chaotic kind of No, it's archaic. We
don't know. It shouldn't be like this should be a
it should be a whatever works best for you kind
of thing. Like, you know, don't don't submit to people
because you want to. So if if you do feel

(10:58):
like you're a people pleaser, what are some tips people
can use to try and break out of that kind
of feeling, like stop caring about everybody else and can
put themselves first.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I think one of the main things you can do
is actually stop to think. Like so, for instance, in
romantic relationships, I used to be so obsessed with getting
the other person to like me that it's like I
never even would stop.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
To think do I like them?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I think one important thing would be and this
goes for any dynamic. It could be friendships, you know,
work relationships, romantic relationships, When you find yourself caring about
does this person like me? Just taking even a few
minutes to self reflect and think, do I even like
this person because a lot of the times they're not

(11:44):
someone who fits your values or that you would even
enjoy spending time with. It's just you're so obsessed in
getting them to like you and seeking their approval. So
and I guess the shorter version of that is just
having the self awareness to realize that you're not in
invested in what value they bring into your life. You're
more invested in getting them to like you.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Would you also say if you like them. A lot
of them don't have that fear of loneliness. They just
don't want to be alone. So they just attached to
somebody just just because they don't want to be regardless
whether that they fit with their their normal what's fits
their vibe kind of thing, they just kind of clatch
on to somebody.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
That is an amazing point, and I do think I
actually this is my opinion, and I know a lot
of people don't like to hear this. There are a
ton of people in relationships right now for that exact
same reason. And I'm aware of that because I used
to be that person. So once you heal things in yourself,
not only is it easy to see it in yourself.
It's easy to see it in other people. But the

(12:40):
thing is, when you have a strong sense of identity
and you love who you are, you actually love your
own company. I used to hate being alone. Now I
love it. It's like someone else has to enhance that
experience otherwise I'm not interested. But there's so many people
who don't even have a sense of their own identity,
so they need that other person to bring something to

(13:03):
the table that they can latch onto. And there are
unfortunately a ton of relationships like that.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Do you ever call people out for that. I'm sure
you sit there and go, hey, listen, by the way,
you don't. You don't need them, You don't need to
be self dependent of him. I have a feeling that
that's what you do to people.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, it's I try to be empathetic.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, because again I used to be that person, so
I know how harsh it sounds. I just try to
point out that actually I just try Actually what I do.
I do try to point it out, but without being
so harsh. It's more of a practice of try doing
something on your own, and how does that feel, and
if it feels uncomfortable, why does it feel uncomfortable, so

(13:41):
then you can solve the root of the problem instead
of just saying, don't do this because it's not good
for you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, no, I get you. I get you. That's why
it's like, look at it. So I wait for your spots.
You start laughing. I'm like, yeah, she's the asshole friend.
I love it already, We're getting get along. She's the
asshole friend. It's okay, you know, because sometimes you need
that friend though, to tell you the hon the truth
of like, hey, you're fucking up. You need to know
that you're sucking up right now, like kind of thing,
you know. And it's just like, uh, you know. But
it's it's just so funny though, because like you see

(14:10):
it and then you're like, well, I've been there, Like
I've had people talk to me at their situations. I'm
like one of my buddies. I was like, man, dude,
I've been through the same situation you've been through. I'm
telling you it feels like identical to what I was
dealing with. And you know, and he was there for me,
and I'm here for him and he just doesn't want
to hear it either on my end, but he I
think he knows I'm right, because I'm like, I'm not
one to come just start calling things out to you. Man,

(14:30):
I'm not gonna just start saying shit to you for
no reason. I'm going to tell you because I've been there.
I know what it's like, you know, and so many
of these people I run into have these similar problems.
It's the same thing. It's like one of my one
of my employees is like that a little bit too.
It's like, I was like, I feel like, you're like,
so you need a man to do everything for you?
Is I always joke with her all the time about
but it kind of feel like that's the case though
a little bit, you know. But I love to give
her a hard time, but I mean, best swish just

(14:52):
to her, you know, no no harm to her at all,
but I just love the fuck with her with that
saying I hope you say that. I'm like, well, I'm like,
you need to manage everything for you. I can't find
this and did you go look for it? You know,
Like I like fucking with them all the time with
that kind of thing. But you know, at the end
of the day, it's like when you start hearing people
in the same situation you've been in. It's like like, Lison, hey,
I've been there, man, call me. I ve needy thing
because I could tell you right now what the next

(15:12):
steps are going to be about these things because you
just see it just going and you're just like, hmm,
I hope you listen, because I know I didn't during
that time period. I didn't care. I didn't want to
hear it and I didn't want to see it because
love is blind.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, and that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
To really change, you have to want to change, and
that's what's hard because some people are like I was
like that for a long period of time. I knew
how I was living wasn't working, and it didn't feel good,
but I really wasn't willing to make the changes I
needed to make because changing is hard. I'm not going
to sugarcoat it, but it's totally worth it.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Oh no, I agree. I got one hundred percent with you,
Like Jo, I didn't mean to cut you out, but
I agree to you hundred percent. There. I was just like,
I agree. It's like, making the changes are hard, but
once you see the changes and how much different you
are than when you start reflecting on when you were back,
and it's like you start laughing at yourself almost because
you're like, damn, I let myself go through this kind
of crap, Like really, what I know?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Because I used to struggle so much and I thought
life was so hard and everything was against me, and
all it took was changing my inner beliefs. And now
I'm like, life is so much easier, And I'm like,
why did I struggle for so long?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Because you were in that comfort zone? You think about it,
because I was with the narcissist for fifteen years and
then I attracted another narcissist right afterwards, and she knew
and she was she knew she could feed on that
from me. And then when I met my wife, she
was somethingbody totally different. It's kind of broke the whole
mold of everything else because she wasn't like everybody else.
You know, she understood why I was dealing with. She
won't tolerate my shit, you know, so she's like, it's

(16:41):
ain't the same shit we're doing before. We're not going
to do this anymore. But you know, she's raw and
honest about things, and that's what I like about her, thoughs,
Like she's just so real about shit with you, like
she doesn't she didn't shoot her cored anything Like she'll
literally just tell you straight out like you know, you
cut the fucking bullshit and kind of thing. And a
lot of people when they hear when I tell them
about her kind of thing, I gotta go, well, you know,
she's kind of bullianing. No, she's she's being honest. She's

(17:02):
making me deal with what I have to deal with
because a lot of times she'd be like, oh you
don't like that, okay, well then you know, she makes
you reflect on what it is you did. Okay, Well
you don't like how that feeling is. We'll get mad
about it if you want. But you're not going to
do that shit to me kind of thing, you know,
cause you get stuck in those patterns, like after fifteen
years and then you're so used to how things used
to go, and then you're with this person who just
shatters that whole reality of what you're used to dealing with.

(17:24):
You know, because my ex she she cheated on me,
and I didn't even realize it until somebody. My buddy
was the one that pointed it out to me, kept
telling me, hey man, look at what's going on, hey man,
this gun is like taking a hammer, like, hey man,
look what's going on kind of thing. You know. It's like,
you know, you just don't want to see it for
what it is because you're so like locked into what
they're they're telling you and you she gasled me a lot,

(17:44):
you know. And I was on that edge several times
or almost almost in my life several times because I
was just like, I just had this sense of self
work was zero, and then that voice in the back
of your head is telling you just go for it,
just go for your worth instead of these things, and
it just cycle in the back of your head, you know.
And you can tell most people that, cause most people
look at you like, what the fuck are you talking about? Dude?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Talk about it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Also on your wife, I think a lot of people
don't understand how important it is to have someone call
you out on your shit exactly, because those are the
kind of people that help you grow and become a
better person as opposed to for example, sounds like several
of your exes and several of my exes. All they

(18:28):
do is just constantly tear you down as a person.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
To tear down make a crazy you out. Yeah, definitely,
and you know, and I'm appreciative it and I get
pissed at the same time because I can't take responsibility
at all. I'll be you first to tell you I
suck at it. I suck at taking your responsibility. To
be honestly, it's terrible. It's one of my flaws I have.
Is just a hard thing to do. So I never
had to take responsibility for things, you know, And she

(18:53):
just calls me out, and she just says, hey, listen,
you know you're fucking up or something you see and
it's it. It hurts, man, It hurts me the same time.
It's like you need to like band a rip effect on,
you know, because if you don't, it's like you don't
realize what you're doing is you're you're causing so many
problems that by the time you realize how good they
were for you, they're going to be fucking gone because

(19:13):
you just fucked everything up, you know. I think I
think there's a lot of people do though the self
sabotage too.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Oh definitely.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
And then yeah, and if you don't have someone calling
you out on that, then the cycle just keeps going.
And because sometimes you're so ingrained in like, for instance,
like I'm sure in your past relationships, like you're so
in it and you know you're not happy and it's
not working, but you don't you like need an outside
perspective because you don't have that outside perspective, but you
need someone to be like like your friend was like, hey, she's.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Cheating on you.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, to your point, sometimes you choose not to listen
even when you do have that outside perspective. So I
think the biggest turning point is when you decide that
you want to change, because then you're open to that
feedback no matter how much it may hurt, because that's
a big part of the healing process that you have
to take accountability for your role in situations because like

(20:05):
I have situations with X's where it's like, yeah, I
was actually contributing to the problem even though they were
cheating or whatever or not that I.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Deserved that, but I was tolerating it.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I wasn't walking away, So in a way, I was
teaching them how to treat me.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, what do you think that is? People do that though,
Like these people say like oh every cheats and they're like, oh,
well no, he won't do it again, but he'll do
it again. If he did it once, what makes you
he ain't gonna do it again? You know what I mean?
Like that's my thing. It's like once it happens to me,
it's like one and done. And maybe it's my aries
moon that comes through. It's just like once you piss
me off or you get me so jaded, I'm like,
all right, well you're done, chop off, here you go.

(20:40):
You're out of here, like the like you know, cutting
the head off the hydra man, You're done. I'm just done.
I don't you know. But it's like you always see
people go back into them and they're like, oh no,
he won't do it again, but he does it again,
and then you're still there. It's like, why do people
continue to do that?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Though a lot of I can only speak to women,
but a lot of women do it. To what we
were saying before, they don't want to be alone. But
a lot of women also, for whatever reason, have this
mentality of I can fix him, because it's like you
want to be the person that they change for. But again,
most people don't change for something outside of themselves. If

(21:16):
they do, it's not long lasting. Long lasting change comes
from when you make the decision I want to change,
and then actually actively working toward that change. But no
one else is going to change for you, especially within
a romantic relationship.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
You know, fin fact Meanji that according to my star chart,
it says that women are I'm more likely have more
women friends and men friends, so they getting the perspective
from your guys' ascide is great. So I can better
understand these things, so I can be like, you know, girl,
this is what I learned today, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Now I see why you and willitsa get along because
she's always also a fun fact. Her and I have
like we were born like a day apart, so we
have almost the exact same chart.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, she said, Moon, that's there too. She said that
we get along.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Growing in the astrological facts.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, have you ever done on this before? Those are
so fun. I did a whole episode where I invited
somebody to come on. She's just like she has twelve
publications at the time, but that's literally what she was doing.
She read the mind chart. We were talking about it,
and we got into each house and we were talking
about it, and it felt like it just felt like
that she was reading all the different things off and
things like that too, which led me to go down
to human designs. The next thing that's coming up soon.

(22:24):
I got somebody come out of talking about human design,
which I'm a man generator there, so we're going to
cover that a little more too. But yeah, I've always
loved astrology since I was a kid. It's always fascinating me.
I always wanted to be an astronaut as a kid,
you know. But so space is always fascinating me. Different
planets and all the planetary things and all that Stuff's
always been in interest. And then when I met when

(22:44):
Melissa kept mentioning moon, She's like, I'm like, what the
hell is that moon? What does that mean? You know,
She's the one that got me turned on the idea.
I was like, what is that? She's like, oh, you
never had your birch chart read. I'm like no, so
I was. I was doing something and luckily Carmen Turner,
who came across, was like, hey, yeah, da da da,
I know, even an astrological psychologist. I was like, okay,
this has to be fake because there was Ari's moon.

(23:05):
Then that message shows up in my inbox and I'm like,
all right, here we go, so it was interesting to see,
you know, where it went. And she's supposed to come back,
and I have to get reached out to her because
we're going to talk about the different star signs and
things like that. You're gonna go deeper into all the
different you know, astrological signs and things like that too,
So that'll be some fun stuff to do as well,
because you know, it's just interesting to see because it's
so fascinating how much information she could tell that I

(23:28):
didn't tell her when we were doing it too. She's like, oh,
I know you have problems with your mom. And I'm like,
are you in this room with me somewhere? Do this
is crazy? Yeah, because she was like she's reading all
these things off and it was just right on point
as she goes and things like that too, and it
was just like, this is crazy because she's like, me
and her have never had a conversation prior to this.
Now she knew who I was because apparently she's does

(23:48):
work with a friend of mine that used to be
came on the show before. Sherryan Boyle and me and
her met last year and then it turns out that
the two of them knew he show. She's like, yeah,
we were just talking about you last night on the
phone or telling her gonna be on your show. Oh,
and she was. I was like, oh, yeah, you better
tell me. I said, Hi, you know, don't forget about
me out there or whatever, you know. But she she
it was funny because that she knew if I have
things like that too, And I was like, okay, so

(24:10):
that's interesting. So when we went through it, that was
one of the highlights. It was that public speaking or
something like that, so like you know, sends you a podcast.
It all fell in alignment to where it was because
of the word the house.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
It was.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It was like the tenth House where a lot of
tivity was. So a lot of that came up, and
then very spirituality came up. And then the fact that
I can make friends like I have more women friends
of guy friends was just how with the chart laid out,
so like I get along with females better than I
do with most males, but I can get old with anybody, honestly.
But you know, it's always so fascinating though, because it
was like, damn, I didn't tell her anything, and then

(24:42):
all she just starts calling these things out and I'm
just like, oh, whoa, Okay, they're hitting camera in this room.
I'm a little concerned right now.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Her name's Carmen Turner. Yes, ma'am, okay, I tried to
google her. I'll do more later.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I'll send you some information from her. Yeah, definitely send
some information about her. She she's on the site where
we met on That's how I found And then I
have her on Instagram as well. If you're on Instagram,
I know you are, I'll you I'll shoot your message
with all the information and stuff too. But yeah, so
let's get into your book though. What's your book about?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
My book, it's called Running and Slippers cover. It's a memoir.
It covers a five year total train wreck period of
my life. Basically starts when because in my story when
that I told in the.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Beginning, real quick bringing slippers? Is that a reference to Cinderella?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
No, So what it means is, well, I explain how
I came up with the title and the introduction of
the books, so I won't give that away. But basically
what it means I live in Hawaii and flip flaps
are called slippers, so it basically means running and flip flops.
But overall it's a metaphor for life because life is hard,
and running and slippers is hard, So running and slippers

(25:46):
it can be adventurous, playful, and fun, but it can
also be dangerous, painful, and scary. So the overall meaning
is it's a metaphor for live. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, So what inspired you read the book though? Was
that one the moment where you're like, Okay, I'm going
to write a book about this.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
The inspiration was that grieving period that I mentioned after
my dad died, Because we live and it just get
over at society, and so after two to three months,
people just expected me to get over it, and I
was not over it at all. I was still in
really profound grief and I didn't feel comfortable talking to
anyone about it. And not only that, it's like I

(26:26):
would go on social media and it's like everybody was
posting all these happy pictures and how great their life was,
and I would just have these thoughts like I can't
be the only one feeling this way, because there was
such a contrast between how I felt inside and what
the external world was showing me. Because everyone in real
life people were porting on their happy face and pretending

(26:47):
everything was fine. On Instagram, people are just showing all
these happy pictures and I was like, this can't be
real life. I felt like there was everyone was wearing masks,
and I think we all know, yeah, I think we
all know by now that social media is heavily filtered
and edited. So the inspiration came at that point because

(27:08):
I was like, I want to write this really vulnerable
memoir to actually show how hard life is and the
things that we have to go through in life. But
at that point in my life, I just didn't have
the confidence to put myself out there like that. Like
the thought of actually doing it was so terrifying that
It's like I had the idea and I actually had

(27:29):
started writing pieces of it, but in my mind I
was never going to put it out so that other
people could actually read it. But how it came about
that I finished writing it and published it was that
conversation with my friend after I got out of the hospital,
because she said, it's not your time, and it really
made me realize how lucky I was to be alive,

(27:51):
and I was like, maybe I do have a purpose.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And in like the initial.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Few weeks after I got out of the hospital life
felt extremely fragile, and I felt like I needed a
purpose or something to get me through those days. So
I decided, I'm going to write this book no matter
how difficult or scary it is, and that's whether it's
my purpose or not. It at least gave me that

(28:18):
feeling of having a purpose that actually gave me the
motivation to follow through and actually publish it.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, so the moment you published it, okay, what was
your biggest fear? Were you afraid of how people are
going to react when they found out the real story,
especially when it comes to the suicide part, because when
you say that you knows, ever knows how a lot
of people treat you differently afterwards, and they kind of
like kid glove you a bit. It's like, oh, well,
do not be too harsh with Angie because she may
get upset or so, and so you know what I mean. Yeah,
you know I feeling it's like it's like that moment

(28:46):
when I found out it was diabetic, people just tried
to treating me differently. It was like they felt like
I just had a death sentence given upon me because
they're like, oh, okay, I'm like, why do you say
it like that, you know what I mean. It's like
people don't realize what they say to you in the
tone of voice. It gives off because like it was
like every time I told to me about you IV
on a dipec oh oh, I'm sorry, Like it was
like where's I fuck you all? Because y'all making me

(29:08):
feel like I'm I'm dead already, Like I have a
death sentence because uncle he passed away from that.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
So yeah, yeah, no, definitely, there was like the pity aspect,
which is like cringey to your point.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, yeah, so that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
No, my biggest fear it was it was criticism really
because my worst moments of my life are in that book,
my worst decisions. This was again, this was at a time,
it was before my healing journey in earnest, so I
didn't have emotional regulation. I was overthinking, I had chronic anxiety,

(29:42):
and I put all of that in there, and I
was like, people are going to criticize me because I'm
an idiot, blah blah blah. But you wouldn't believe how
many people reached out to me. And this includes people
that I've never even met before. Ye who have reached
out to me and are like that exact same thing
happened to me or the This is so relatable and
it just goes to show that people really are going

(30:04):
through the same things.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
We're just not talking about it.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, but that's just the thing right there. You hit
it right on, and we're not talking about it enough.
And that's why this show me exists because we talk
about these things here. I don't leave any topic untouched.
I think there's only three times in this whole show
I've ever decided not to have a conversation, and they
all were because they went too far off. I had
a feeling that if we started talking and start going
to that tangent, I don't want to be a part of.

(30:28):
So but I've touched every subject on this show, so
I can tell you right now I know that feeling.
And then like people know I do this show, I
don't like, I don't care if people think anymore at
this point. At first, it was nerve wracking every time
you record in the first like five minutes, you don't
know how this conversation is going to go. But now
it's just like I don't even care anymore. I just
to click and go you know, people asking me all
the time, like how you do it? I'm just like,

(30:48):
I just do it. Man. It's like you know, with
that said though, because I have really bad I have
depressions sometimes some weeks I'm just really down, but I
get up, I do the show, and no one ever
even have an idea what's going on because I don't
let anybody know because I just don't want to. You're
the oh, I'm feel sorry. I don't want to hell
your shit. I really don't want to. Jim Ross said
it best. I don't give a fuck about your problems.
I'm only worried about my own at this point, you
know what I mean. It's harsh as at it is.

(31:09):
That's just what it is, you know, And I love
it though. I love the fact that you posted it
because then you can turn around say to people, well,
I brought it to a book. What did you do
with your life?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You know what I'm saying. Like, I put my story
out there, You're gonna judge me about my story, so
what's yours. Let's go let's compare stories and see which
one happens to be different, you know what I mean.
And a lot of those people that say these things,
and social media. I fucking hate social media at times,
I really do. Yeah, all these misinformation videos, all this
crap people are putting out, and it's like no one
checks their credibility. It's like, you know, these people giving
you all this information, like, what are their credentials if

(31:38):
they don't say doctor, Most of these people don't have
a fucking clue what they're talking now for a lot
of things unless they have some kind of training of
some sort, you know, they just start giving out the
information that people that believe it, like, can you all
please stop? They stop believing these Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Unfortunately, even sometimes people with credentials aren't credible.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh yes, you're right too. That was a good point, too,
very good point, because some of them are whack. Oh yes, yes, ma'am,
you're right. Okay, but no, I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And that's just it because I used to take negative
feedback from other people so personally. But when you really
stop and think about it, the people who are criticizing
they're so miserable in their own lives that they're just
projecting things outward exactly. People who truly have like, for instance,

(32:24):
your wife, like I'm sure the feedback from her is
more constructive, like she's not like, oh, you're an idiot,
blah stamental.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Her sect statement was that she had to be authentic
and that when she hammered it home, and she was,
she was. She was kind of a bitch about it
a little bit, but she wasn't wrong though. But she
wasn't wrong though. But listen, listen as I say that,
don't take that the negative away, guys. She was right though.
She was well wraw and very serious about it because
she she knows a lot about it because her own
stuff she deals with. She's like, if you're gonna do

(32:52):
this topic, you need to be fucking authentic. Don't don't
sit there in sugarcoat be fake because people read through
that bullshit real quick, especially those people that have a
lot of real serious issues. They can read through that
shit real quick. So that was her one message. So
I mean, she's not wrong, you think about it, because
authenticity goes far because that way you can connect with people,
because if not, people just don't care.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, but that's my point.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
You do need constructive criticism sometimes, just like the like
like I don't know, I'm just thinking about and luckily
I've only had a few things directed at me on
social media, but it's mostly the other things I read
toward other people, and it's just like I just can't
even imagine saying that to anyone else online or in person.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
God. Yeah, the things that gets said are just like
some of these videos where you read the comments section
that's literally on there for it's just the comments because
you want to read the let just level stupidity. It's
just guys being said. Like I've had people come into mind.
We were talking about somebody do with phones and how
people are dicted. I can't remember what this guy said.
I was like, h that's very interesting take. You know.
It's like I was like, I don't know what else
to say to you at this point, because like what

(33:56):
like they say some weird things and you're just like,
I'm sorry, what what are you talking about? Dude? Like,
can you clarify that? I don't even remember what this
guy was talking about. He said, oh, that's not the
problem or something. It was like, okay, well, thank you
for your opinion. Just like what like, everybody's got an opinion, man,
it's just social media just crash him out. And you know,
the good point though, is what you said is a
few of masking, and I think a lot of these

(34:17):
guys online when you really peel back all the layers,
putting yourself out like that, Like, oh god, there's a
guy I watched. His name's King Scratch. He does a
lot of review reviews and all these things. He used
to go live on Twitch a lot of times, and
when King was on there, he'd always tell you he's
just really authentic. He's like, dude, I get the craziest

(34:37):
emails all the time for people, you know, death threats
from people too, and all these other wild things. And
he's just sharing his opinion. Like, if you're that mad,
you're gonna threaten to kill somebody because you don't like
their opinion, then why watch his video? Stop watching it?
Then it's just simple as that.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, that's what kills me. Like, Yeah, if I don't
like something, I just keep scrolling. I can't imagine attacking
that person.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
No, they attack him. He's he was open about it too.
He's like, yeah, to attack me, to try and tack
my family members, try I say things like this, he
says that. He's like, so he was his big message
to people's like if you're going to be online, He's
like just get ready cause it's going to get ugly.
These guys will say anything they can. You get to
you to say something. You know him. And then what's
the other guy, mister chime Times the other one I
watched a lot too. He he always has a raw

(35:20):
opinion about things. But it's like you could tell somebody
gets pissed by something he says, because like he goes
out and use these restaurants and things. And one of
them got so mad by the review over the Keith
Lee guy too as well. That was the other one too, Keithlee.
The one way you made that he went to that
one restaurant. They were just treating him horrible and everybody
just went after him and it was just like one
big social media fight.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's like, yo, just stop quick restaurant. That makes it
even funnier. I thought you were going to say it's
about politics or something, because I know not that it's right,
but I know people get heated.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Him listening Charlie Uh, the one guy that always sits there.
He's talking to these people all the time. It's always
funny to listen to some of these people make comments
to him and you're like, you just want to cut
their mics off and they start saying the most like
obscure things, and he's just sitting there smiling at him,
and I'm just like, I don't think I could do it.
I probably just don't have to tell him cut the
mic up, Like you just just stop them because then
they start saying things. It's like, I get everybody has

(36:10):
an opinion, but sometimes we shouldn't share certain opinions because
it's just like now you're just like, what, I'm sorry,
what did you say? It's like you're having a serious conversation.
This person randomly says something. You're like, excuse me, what
did you just say? What the fuck? You know? And
it just concerns me though, you know, and it's like,
what are we teaching the youth of society though too,
especially their mental health because you're telling them, you know,
especially Instagram for especially other great Instagram models and things

(36:33):
like that too. It's like, what are you teaching these
young ladies that their their appearance is the number one thing?
As like you're not, Yeah, you're not basically teaching them
good values. You're telling them that, you know, being the
prettiest means that you have the most friends. That's how
people like you when that's really not the way it works,
you know, and it's it's horrible, you know, And the
statistics are in too. Like me and my one of
my guests, mister Whiskey, and I were discussing, you know

(36:54):
that twenty one percent of younger man as soon as
social media was introduced, the suicide rate went up twenty
one percent. It's insane. It's like, now you have more
ways to attack people, and you know, you can bully people,
you can say things to people, you know, and it
doesn't matter how famous you are, people still look at
the heat comments. Burt Kreisler, the comedian guy who does
Two Bears when Cave, he openly admits several times that

(37:14):
he doesn't read the positives. He looks right to the
negative comments all the time. And him and Tom are
talking about that, and he's like, yeah, I always look
right at the negative comments sections. And if Burt as
big as he is, and him being a comedian, you know,
that's all he focused on is he looks Zero's right
in on him, and he looks right at the negative comments.
And with that being said, it's like, you know, it's
so interesting that you know, even this successful he is.

(37:36):
He's worried about what the negativity is you guys are
spreading to him.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, that is so wild, because I think we all
do that right.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
You can have a thousand positive comments and it's that
one negative comment that sticks with you.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
You know, yeah, because you want to react. I mean
I did that at first on TikTok. I used to
sit there and argue with people on things, you know,
make all these videos just a controversially upset people. I've
got banned like five times before I took it serious,
you know, because I was just like, fuck it whatever,
I'm just gonna go for it. You know, I'm going
to have some fun with this because they say some
things to you. And especially when the mask it was
are on COVID when it really started and decided I
was going to go on and decide to see how

(38:09):
many how long it took to get me banned. By
a year in, I finally got banned because they finally
got tired of my crap because I was troll hunting people.
I was looking for trolls in the comment sections every
time I went to somewhere, and I was attacking them
because I'm like, okay, cool, you want to roll somebody,
let's roll back. So, you know, I thought it'd be
fun for a while. I did that for a bit.
I got bored of that, so, like, you know, finally
started doing another podcast, which eventually evolved into this one.

(38:31):
But you know, it was it was an interesting time
on social media. I think it's very you know, the
foam o thing comes in really heavily. People get that
fear of wanting to miss out and things like that too,
or they're doomscrolling on their phones and they're just going
through these videos and it's just like, instead of solving
the problem by not making it so addictive, they make
it addictive. And then it's like, oh, well I have
to support this personal they won't be my friend. And

(38:52):
then yaada YadA, it's just like, oh, please stop, everybody.
Just turn it off your phone once in a while.
It's okay, it won't kill you.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah. It is actually really healthy to unplug from your
phone and have time away. See even I used to
think I used to scroll on my phone and think
that I was taking a mental health break because it
is so mindless, but it's actually kind of stressful. For
the reasons that we're describing because first of all, it's
filtered and edited.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
People are negative.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
M Yeah, you have that comparison syndrome when you see
someone doing better than you. So I don't think it's
healthy at all, even if it does seem mindless.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I could tell you all right now, I've had more
top rinked podcasters on this show, and I don't even
let it face me one bit. It's like it's awesome.
I appreciate their time. And then you know, it's like
if I get there, I get there, I'm just gonna
do me. And you know, it took me a while
to get to that point of you know, at first
it was like, oh God, these people doing so much
wrong to me, and I'm just like fuck it whatever.
At this point, you know, I'll figure this thing as

(39:49):
I go, because I have no idea what I was
doing in the beginning this thing. I still have no
idea what I'm doing. I've just kind of figured it
out as I go kind of thing, you know, And
it's been fun. Why not. It's like I get to
be great people along the way whatever meant well, listen
or anybody else along the way, how do they not
start doing this thing? You know? And it's been great.
I love it, But do.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You have the experience?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Because in my healing journey, because I used to be
the person if someone was doing better than me, I
would get jealous and kind of be like, well, how
did they get it?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Or they must be lucky?

Speaker 3 (40:16):
But now I explore it with more of a curiosity lens,
like what are they doing different?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
What can I learn from them?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Because I think the truth is they're just at a
different phase in their journey, because it's like they may
not have started at the same time as you or whatever,
and maybe they were gifted with more resources, but that
doesn't mean you can't learn from their experience and get
to that level.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I think that's what a lot of people forget. It's
like why envy them when not see what they're doing
and kind of take notes, see what they're doing, you know,
and look up what just kind of research that people
are with different items, are putting out these and things
like that. I myself am probably more successful than I realized, honestly.
You know, people see there's a lot of people watch
my show that come out to me and say they
watch the show and these are people I've never met.

(41:00):
Sometimes you're like oh yeah, I've seen your podcast, and
I'm just looking at them like, oh okay, cool. Like
most of my people that I work with, a lot
of people i work I found out were watching it too.
They're like, oh, I watch it all the time. I
watch it on YouTube. I'm like, I'm everywhere. So it's
so funny because a lot of people will come up
to me and go, well, listen, I know you handle
these topics, and it's like, okay, this is about to
get interesting real quick. Here we go. Well, hey, I

(41:21):
know you handle these kind of problems, you know. And
I don't mind asking people asking me questions about things
like that too. It's great that they have somebody feel
they can come they come talk to that's going to
listen to what they say. And one of the girls
I work with, she was like, I love how you
don't judge people. I'm like, well, no, I mean the
minute I got into this space, you can't judge people
like you, dude, don't know what someone is going to
tell you when you hit record. We've had a few
I've had a few moments where I was just like,

(41:43):
holy shit, this is getting out of it. We may
get in trouble here in a minute. But let's see
what happens. You know, I'm always I'm always trying to
see what conversations too far for people when it comes
to this thing, because like, this is somebody's stories. Like
you can't get mad at them for having their story.
And I've heard some crazy stories. And while recording the show,
like some crazy shit. One girl she was like kidnapped
three or four times. She was she was she was

(42:05):
actually cam cam model too. She had her son and
it was a cam out on the side. You know,
just like all in one story too. This is all
one story. She got kidnapped, she got held hostage. I
think at one point two was heard of her story.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I think from the people who were watching her on
the cam who kidnapped her.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Oh, there's people she knew. I think it was people
she knew. The people she knew I from I'm writing, Yeah,
it was. It was a wild ass episode. I still
I still talk to her here and there and I
see her because she's always live on TikTok and stuff too.
But she was so cool though. She came on and
she I think she had the best message ever. She
in her episode, she says that you know, my name's Whitney.
And she says, I deal with these things. And I
think that's to this point, is that just because you

(42:40):
diagnosed something doesn't mean you have to use that as
a label. That doesn't label these anything else. I think
she had a great message, but she said that my
name's Whitney. I deal with these things. It does not
define me as a person, you know. And it was
it was a rough conversation. It was like we were
going on a roller coaster together. But I'm telling you,
holy shit, yeah, it's it's called the episode's name. Meet
Whitney is the EPISO, so I at least like episode

(43:01):
sixty one what he is. Actually, she's on TikTok, very
pretty girl, you know cam Elvis' stuff like this too.
But when you really get into deep conversation with her,
she's actually really intelligent too. So like, don't get let
her looks full you because a lot of people but
he's on society, we think, oh she's not, you know,
well she doesn't. No, No, this girl is very brilliant.
She's she's a hairdresser, has her own business, doing her
own thing, raising these kids on her own. She has

(43:23):
two kids and everything else to very interesting story. Like
every kept telling me, hey, you need to talk to her.
And then when we talked and we did the interview,
Holy fuck. I didn't think we were gonna get into
what we did it. But it was just like, there's
we've we've had two got people on the shows actually kidnapped.
One of them was a nine to one operator. He
was on one of my older podcasts I did. He
came on and he was telling the story about how
he pulled over to help somebody and it really was

(43:43):
a trap. So he got held hostage and they let
him go because he was a nine to one one operator.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, that's wid.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
The conversation got even weird. Okay, So in this conversation,
my co host decides to take over and go, well,
there's one time I followed some guy home because he
needed ride home and he offered me drugs of some
sort and we're just like the fuck, like what like
you know, it just it just got out of hand completely.
It's this conversation was just going and I'm like, we're

(44:11):
traited to talk with Darren. What are you talking about? Dude?
Like we didn't ask you what weird things you need
to tell us today? So as we get close to
wrapping up this episode. I do have a couple of
questions for you, though, Angie. Let me ask you a
question that comes in from my good friend Gretchen from
The Shit That Goes on.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Her Head talking to Gretchen on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Okay, so she may ask you this question, so you
can know I stole her question by the way. She
said to me Pete, if your mental health had a song,
what would a song be? So my question you is
the same thing, Angie, if your mental had a song,
what would that song be?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, you know that song.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
There is an actual song that I feel like describes
my mental health.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Do you know that like trending song? It's not trending anymore?
It was earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's called anxiety mm hm hm. I was like, Oh,
I love this song. It's like my life theme song.
So it would be that one.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah. See, so far we've had rage against the machine.
I called Jackson beat it what was it? Led Zeppelin
was one of them too, and things like that too.
You know, it was interesting when she asked me that
question because I had several different answers to that song,
and you know, I think the newest one to fit.
It would be is it me? By let Me bleed?
They're actually a good friend of the show. I talk
to him all the time. I've been trying to get

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the lead singer ready to come on because I want
to hear more about his story too. But it just
resonates so well because we all have that feeling is
it me or is it not me? Kind of thing?
You know?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
So yeah, But all right, So the next question and
the purpose of this podcast is if you could break
this stigma of mental health. I'm saying anything that you
see out there that you just want to tell somebody, hey, stupid,
shut the fuck up? What would it be?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
So my biggest I would call it a pet peeve.
The biggest stigma around suicide is that it's selfish, and
that pisses me off so much because in the way
I try to describe it, and I still don't think
people understand it when I explain it this way.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
But if your leg was chopped off and you were.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Bleeding out at your leg, you would not be thinking, oh, well,
my family and friends are going to be so sad
if I die, and I'm so worried about how they're
going to feel about this. You would be focused on
the pain on your leg and that's it. And it's
the same thing with your mental health. When you're in
that much emotional pain, that's all you can think about

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and focus on. So to say it's selfish is just
completely not compassionate in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Couldn't say it any bit of myself. I agree, it's
not selfish. It's more that you want the voices in
your head to stop, or you don't feel you're worthy enough,
or you're not worth enough to people. You know, it's
anything but what people think it is. It's like they're
not in the right state of mind, and people like, well,
I wonder what they were thinking. Well, let me tell
you what they were thinking. I could tell you what
I was thinking, and you can tell you what she

(46:45):
was thinking. What are you going to listen? And another
thing is when you tell somebody to call you if
they need something, don't turn them away, okay, don't freak out,
don't panic.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Don't start treat them weird. To your point earlier.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Don't treat them weird. You know, if they call you
talking like that, just say calm and listen to what
they're saying. Talk them through it, like listen, hey, listen, okay,
are you okay? What's wrong? And just let them rip.
If he gets that serious, you feel like it's seen
three way call ninety eight and hand them off to
somebody who knows what they're doing. At that point. You know,
if they get mad at you for doing so, len't
be mad at you because at the end of the day,
you don't know how serious they are, you know. And

(47:18):
another thing I learned too is said, ask them, hey,
are you thinking about communting suicide? And just see what
they respond to you, because sometimes it takes that shock
value that question alone for people to save something else
and respond and go hey, well fuck no, you know,
or think about what they're really saying to you know,
but do not panic. For the love of God, please
do not fucking pani.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah that makes it worse, God, it does, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Also, because I think the knee jerk reaction, especially if
you've never been in that situation, because my viewpoint's a
little bit different, I think the knee jerk reaction is
that you want to stop them from harming themselves. But
if you are just present with them and listen to them,
because a lot of people ask me, like, what if

(47:59):
you could go back and talk to that version of you,
what would you say? And the truth is I wouldn't
say anything. I would just give her a hug. And
it's because it's just like having that loving space to
be accepted for who you are and what you're going through.
There's nothing you can say to change how they're feeling.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree well to Angie. Thank
you so much for being here. I appreciate it. If
anybody wanted to reach out to you, what is the
best way for them to reach out to you.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
I am on Instagram, my handle is Angie Hawkins, and
my website is running on slippers dot com. There's information
about my book. It's available on paperback, kindle, and audiobook.
And there's also information about my coaching program, my Interglow
Coaching program, and I do offer a free call for

(48:43):
new clients. It's an hour long call. We can talk
about whatever you're struggling with and we'll work through as
much as we can in the hour, and then at
the end we can talk about options for going forward.
And my program is not for everyone, so if it's not,
I know other coach is I have other resources. The
entire goal of the call is to get you help,

(49:05):
So to schedule that call is also on my website.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I absolutely love it. I absolutely love it once again,
think you spongs for coming and guys, he's ver anxiety.
I'm on Spotify all the way down, I heart Radio,
I'm on X all the way down to TikTok And
as always say, it costs nothing absolutely to be kind
of somebody. One kind act you could do, can say,
SAME's life or hell, you can make their day. I'm
pete for anxiety saying I was saying, don't ask you
your days today, say hey, how's your about to help today?

(49:33):
Got my tegot have I worn where they die? Then
learn my don't but that don't think that wo