October 24, 2025 • 47 mins
Join Chelsea Goucher as she shares her remarkable journey from addiction to becoming a psychedelic facilitator. Discover her insights on mental health, personal growth, and the power of psychedelics in transforming lives. This episode delves into the challenges and triumphs of self-discovery, offering a unique perspective on healing and consciousness.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello, and welcome into an exciting episode of Pete for
sing Anxiety. My guest today is an intuitive coach, psychedelic facilitator, motivated, motivated,
and fascinated by the intersections of conscious and expansion with
personal growth. Please welcome in the one the only Chelsea Gulcher.
How you doing today, Chelsea?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
How are you doing great? Chelsea? Want to tell everybody
a little more about yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Absolutely. I live in Tennessee now. I was born and
raised in Alaska, where I spent most of my life.
I have a pretty diverse background. I spent a lot
of my twenties doing sales, corporate sales, radio sales, and
for the last seven eight years or so, I've really
been kind of on a entrepreneurial journey turned spiritual journey
(01:04):
turned spiritual awakening. And here I am right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, first off, Alaska, Jesus Man, like what people.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Looking their place to grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You know, amazing, girl, it's got to be colder than
most people's refrigerators.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
There, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, I'm from southeast Alaska.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So if you can visualize like the islands off British Columbia,
that's the part of Alaska. I'm in so a lot
more temperate, lots of rain. It's it's a temperate rainforest,
so a ton of rain. But you know, mountains, big trees, whales, bears,
very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay, I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Get that.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, So what got you to being where you're at now?
Like a psychodalic facility? I know, I know I've had
something on with psychedelica for is it like you doing
like the whole.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Figure out the micro dosing and now we're on the
right line so on that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can you repeat that last part?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So my question for you is psychic delic facilitator. What
is said exactly? Is that like the people that do
the microdosing kind of thing?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, So as a facilitator, so you know, I've gone
through an expensive seven month training to get certified as
a facilitator, and I also have, you know, my own
experience and kind of like my own body of work
with psychedelics over the course of my life. It's kind
of been something that's woven in and out of my
personal path and really the job of a facilitator is
(02:26):
to hold space psychedelics. You know, I work particularly with
psilocybin mushrooms, But psychedelics, you know, they they open your
brain up in ways that other substances don't.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They're very unique.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know, they're drugs, but you know, I would argue
that drugs come in all shapes and sizes. You know,
some have positive impacts and some obviously have very negative impacts.
But as a psychedelic facilitator, really what my job entails
is just holding space because psychedelics are magical what they do.
You know, science is starting to explain, but it really
(03:00):
is a magical process and unique. And so, you know,
something that I learned from my teacher in the certification
process was really, like the psychedelics, the mushrooms have it
all on their own. You know, someone can take mushrooms
for the first time by themselves, with no knowledge of
what they're getting themselves into, and have an earth shattering experience.
(03:22):
They could also take them and have a horrible experience.
They could also take them and have a disappointing experience
and think that they're gonna, you know, see God or
something and nothing happens, you know, And so kind of
the way we speak about it in the circles that
I'm a part of are that the psychedelics have it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
They're the ones with the magic. They're doing their job, They're.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Working on an individual's consciousness in whatever way they're doing.
And as a facilitator, your job is really just to
be there, to be that human element that supports. In
my work with clients mostly right now, I do one
to one work, so I, you know, facilitate the ingestion
of the substance along with them, and I'm basically there
(04:05):
to be a safe space, a container, someone they can
talk to, someone to lead them through the process of
things start to get scary or go awry.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Something really important to my training too is like set
and setting. I'm sure you heard that from like, you know,
the people back in the sixties really realizing that set
and setting are hugely important, and even in the more
like clinical aspects of psychedelics that are really coming online,
that's something that people are you know, really paying a
lot of attention to and working with. Also is making sure
(04:36):
that when people come into these situations, you know, they're
in a beautiful space, they feel safe, and that they
kind of have some guidelines about how to navigate things
if it does start to get weird.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Or scary.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I've had a guest on before.
She she Delta side too. Think she's did, she said,
somewhere in the European area. I can't remember exactly where
she was from the I think like Finland or something
like that. She was telling us a little bit about
the same idea. But she did a lot of work
here in the US as well, she said, And it's
basically had facilitators set up in different areas, kind of
(05:10):
like yourself, you know, that would do these kind of things.
So a lot of that stuff is not new to
me at all. But I like the idea of using
mushrooms because it's more of a natural thing versus a
lot of these pharmaceuticals with all these other crazy effects
they start adding in.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's just like, oh God.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
If you sit there watching these commercials nowadays, they're so
deceiving because it's like all the bright colors are popping
up and then all of a sudden, that low tone
voice comes in, Oh, some side effects you make extreme,
and they just start listing off things that you couldn't
even imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You're like, wait, what, hold on.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean I could go down a whole rabbit
hole on like my opinions on like the pharmaceutical industry.
But I'll spare, I'll spare your listeners. I'm sure they
could imagine, but I do. And I think, you know, obviously,
like I said, psychedelics, I mean they're a class of drugs. Yeah,
drugs have a negative connotation. Obviously, drugs can be great too.
(05:59):
I think it's ridiculous to think at this point that
some government entity is accurately like in charge of determining
like what's good and bad for people.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But you know, natural though, you know what I mean,
if something is natural, is you're going to get you
know what I mean kind of thing. It's not like
something that's been processed over time and all these other
things added in there, you know what I mean, You're
getting basically the bare bone sentils of it.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Though.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I mean, a really great book to read is like
Food of the Gods and Terence McKenna, and it really
goes into how I mean, there's a lot of evidence
that psilocybin specifically and all kinds of different psychoactive sacraments
have been used like throughout human history and that we've
really kind of co evolved along with these substances. So
while I wouldn't like just say, you know, anything natural
(06:46):
is good, I think there's like a little bit of
truth in that, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I think that it's a lot better.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
And I think that I just think that the effects
of psychedelics can be so powerful on how they act
on the brain specific and help people open up their
point of view and their way of looking at things
in a way that sometimes can be almost impossible for
people that are so deeply entrenched in like the thought
patterns that you know, they've been swimming in their entire life.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So I think it is pretty amazing, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And there can be negative effects with psychedelics, but a
lot of them are you know, often with people that
shouldn't really be taking them in the first place, people
that already have like a weak ego construct or people
that like have like a legitimate, you know, physical like contraindication.
Like people that aren't SSRIs, for example, should not take
(07:39):
psychedelics until they wean themselves off the SSRIs because you
can have like a serotonin dump experience, which.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Can be bad.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Other than that, I mean, most of the you know,
even a bad trip, it's mostly in the mind, and
really you know, coming back to the job of as
a facilitator, part of the job is to help someone
navigate that and be like, Okay, what are these fears?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
What is this scary thing? What is this trying to
tell you?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
What does moving towards this fear have for you in
the way of your own development?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Your own growth? Like, what can you learn from this experience?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So even things that could seem negative, I think have
in the long run of positive value, just like any
other life experience.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, you're going to learn from the good and
the bad.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, speaking of life experience, what's a little bit about
your background. I know I didn't list some of it
that you have that you set me over. I know
that you had it says addiction, codependency in people pleasing,
And I know people pleasing is a big one that's
come up recently for me a lot of times with
people too, So I find it very interesting. So do
you want to touch on that a little bit for us?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean I feel like I tend to be a
little long winded, but I'll kind of give you, like
the quick rundown of the life of Chelsea in a nutshell.
I've always been like when I say, people pleaser, Like
I've always been really good at like knowing what the
people in authority wanted and like how to give it
to them. And so I was like a straight A
student in school, so genuinely learning, so like you know,
(09:01):
it was it was easy for me to like, it
was always easy for me to get along with authority
because I felt like it was aligned with me, like
usually what they wanted out of me.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I wanted to do my best.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So I was like class president and salutatorian and you know,
I was a big high achiever in high school. But
I didn't have a lot of direction. You know, I
thought maybe for a while that I wanted to be
a lawyer because I wanted to get into politics, and
I ended up going to college and feeling pretty lost
about what I was actually going to do with my
(09:34):
life and not feeling inspired at all. I mean, deep down,
I'd always wanted to be a performer. I'd done ballet
and stuff all growing up, so I really wanted, like
my goal was to like go to Hollywood and be
an actress. That's what I really wanted deep down. But
of course, you know that wasn't like obviously a straight
a student, like you need to go to college and
get a degree and all that stuff. And so in college,
(09:55):
I ended up, you know, finding a lot of solace
in my boyfriend at the time, and he'd had some
struggles with addiction with like oxy conton when like the
prescription drug problem was really becoming a thing for a
lot of young people in this country. And he and
I ended up getting into heroin together, and so I
spent three years addicted to heroin and then methamphetamine. I
(10:18):
ended up dropping out of college. I ended up actually
spending eight months in jail, and that probably like saved
my life. Eight months was enough to get me clean,
get my head back on. Right when I got out
of jail, I was able to be like, you know what,
like maybe there's more for me than this like criminal
life I've been living for the last three years that
i'd like taken on. I mean, I totally get when
(10:39):
they say, like people become gang members and it's like family.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's like that's how I felt.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I felt like these people were my friends, and I
felt like they were the only people that really understood
me and understood like how boring and how uninspiring, like
regular societal life felt to me. So I got out though,
and like ended up getting a job in my own place,
and like before I knew it, I was like back
on the ground running.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I'd gotten a job.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I was in a small town in Alaska, like I said,
so a lot of people were willing to give me
a second chance, which I'm very grateful for. And so I,
you know, pretty soon I got like a radio sales job,
and then I was working for the Chamber of Commerce,
and then I got into corporate sales, and I just
like kind of my life was coming back together. I
ended up I was engaged. I'd bought a house, like
(11:28):
I was checking all the boxes. I was redeemed, you
know what I mean. That's how I felt. But now
I also like was just feeling like it still wasn't it.
You know, I still was just feeling I mean, I
constantly worried about what people thought of me. I was
constantly worrying that I wasn't good enough. Like I just
(11:50):
felt like I was constantly trying to prove myself, you know.
And I had a lot of questions about myself too,
like how could I have gotten into drugs?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like it seemed like kind of an anomaly, Like.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I was this person, and then I was this other person,
and now I was back to like version one of myself,
and none of it was really adding up, you know,
And so I started to kind of start digging into myself.
And then twenty twenty happened, and then I had a
lot of time to dig into myself and a lot
of other things. And I think what happened for me
(12:19):
most poignantly that year is that my identity that I'd
taken on as like the good girl, the person.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That always like is in line with.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Authority, with the law of the land, with whatever you
want to call it. Like that identity like got shattered
completely because I felt so disconnected from like the narrative
and even you know, people in my community, older people
I looked up to, people that I'd been in different
you know, community service organizations and rotary clubs and all
these things with like I just suddenly was like not
(12:54):
in agreement with a lot of them on a lot
of these issues that twenty twenty brought up. And I
was like, well, who am I then? If I'm not
like the good girl, who am I? If I'm the
person like that? All of a sudden, people are like
yelling at on Facebook for saying something you know, and
and it like it kind of put me into like
this first like dark Knight of the Soul type thing
(13:16):
where I just I shut down. I felt like I
didn't want to talk to anyone. I didn't want to
share my opinions anymore. I felt so unsafe, you know.
And but it also gave me a lot of time
to like kind of really realize that I was having
a spiritual awakening, like having a full blown like just
getting these downloads. And I'm not like nan't or I
(13:37):
don't hear or see things, but I just like I
get these like downloads where I just like know things.
And so I was getting these downloads about like scripture
and I didn't grow up Chris like just crazy stuff.
It sounds crazy, but like for me, it was a
spiritual awakening.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I started working with a couple different.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Coaches, and pretty soon I was like, this is it,
this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I need
to help other people get through whatever the hell's happening
for me. And so I started to, like I said,
learn different modalities. I got my coaching certification and then
the psychedelics thing just it kind of I connected with
(14:13):
someone online. I loved her energy, and psychedelics hadn't necessarily
been something I was looking to integrate into my tool
set for working with clients. But quickly after talking to her,
I was like, you know, I think that there's something
to this. And I hadn't, like I said, my own
personal experience psychedelics and knew how powerful they could be.
So I was like, yeah, let's take this seriously and
(14:33):
see if it's something that I can put in my
tool belt and make available to people that you know,
are looking to expand their consciousness and come to understand
the world maybe a little bit differently than the very
black and white way that most of us understand it,
and that can lead us feeling hopeless, depressed, anxious, all
of these things that I'm sure you're very familiar with.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, definitely, I have depression and anxiety really bad. It
just depends on what the day's life like for me.
Some days it's like yeah, I'm okay, but other days
it's like I just don't want to do anything else.
I get up do this podcast record and they go
right back into that depressive mode, you know, And I
love hearing your story because it's like you're you're on
this journey of self discovery basically is what it seems like, Yeah,
(15:17):
you were like this one person and now you're a
whole different person. And I go through the same thing
too with this show in the beginning. If you guys,
if anybody who has been listening to the early episodes,
if you listen to them, you'll notice the way the
interviews change as we go, because it's like I start
learning new things as I go, I start meeting new people,
get a little different respective and they start picking up
things from the people. Like energy was a big one.
(15:38):
When I met one woman called herself the Energy Alchemist.
Me and her had this hour long conversation just deep
into it. I was just like, dude, okay, this makes
sense because I had the same thing. I couldn't explain,
you know, almost like you were having those downloads tips,
Like it's just weird things that are going on, and
I couldn't explain around me like I could. I'm energy sensitive,
so I could feel people's energy, and I can never
explain the next feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You know, It's like hell is this feeling? You know,
like what is this?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And I start explaining it to her and she's like, well,
that's because your energy sensitive. I said, Okay, now it
makes a little more sense, you know, because she broke
it down for you. And I was like, you know,
I had this weird feeling, like and I was explaining
it to her, and you know, it's It's been interesting though,
because I've had some interviews where like people had the
spiritual connection too, and she just called this one, uh,
the one when I met she had this ntique called
(16:22):
spirit And like if you're watching the episode, like like
right in the middle of when she starts reading something
to me, I just go completely just like dead stare,
and like afterwards, I just start going off, like I
just started going off, like I just had a sugar
rush just hit, you know. But it was like it's
so hard to explain what was going on because like
you can see I go blank, and I'm like, in
that moment, nothing else exists.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Whatever she's saying just matters. That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like the air conditioning can be running above my hat,
I couldn't even hear that, and everything just went completely
silent except for what she was saying, you know. And
it's it's so I feel that one hundred percent. Like
I love hearing that too when people's stories are like
that similar to mine, because it's just like, whoa, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
How do you explain this feeling?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Now this is something new, I got to go explore
what is that?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know? And I love it too when people bring
other things to the table because then I'm like, well,
now I got to go explore this thing.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Now, new rabbit hole to go down? It is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It feels like being a detective and like it's like
following the trail of breadcrumbs because I feel like, as humans,
we do have so much knowledge within us, you know,
within our lineages, within our memories, and we're like taught
to not really take it seriously, you know what I mean,
Like we're taught to look outside of ourselves constantly for
authority and knowledge, and well that's all fine and dandy.
(17:32):
It's like a sliver, you know, and what is authority anyway?
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's just it's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
It really has been a unique journey, and I feel like,
you know, what I do is more important than ever
because I feel like, you know, the way things have unfolded,
you know, over the last five years, and especially this year,
I feel like it's like.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
More people are.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Going through this this reckoning of like who they really
are and what human life is really about. And it's
just like a fascinating time to be alive. Sometimes stressful
and sometimes disheartening, but I think overall fascinating and I
am hopeful.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right exactly, No, I agree. I think it's more that
people are starting to start to worry more about themselves,
you know, And I think COVID's really brought it forward
for a lot of people's you know, mental tissues and things. Well,
that stuff started coming to the forefront. He was like,
oh God, what is this feeling Now, I have to
discover what this problem is, you know. And then you know,
everybody just hresterpy therapy there and they're like, oh, I
(18:36):
don't like therapy. Derby's terrible because people just give you
drugs and they'll just try and dope you up on things,
you know. And I think that's what really scared a
lot of people are talking about their problems, because like
when you get into like suicide ideation, man, people start
freaking out, like going nuts. Like I had an episode
where somebody here on the show was talking about his
thoughts and he's like, yeah, this morning I thought about
killing myself and I was like, oh god, And in
(18:57):
my mind I'm freaking out, going, oh god, what does
he say right now? And he's just going into a
complete conversation. And you know, after the episode it aired,
I had like fifteen emails of people going, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
My god, what happened? Is he okay? Is he all right?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I'm like yeah, I'm like, yeah, he's fine, He's and
you know, and you know, things you've learned, You're like
during things like that, you're like, okay, well, you know,
at the time, you know, you don't realize what's going on,
but then you learn that you know, in fact that
he's talking to you is better than him not saying
anything at all. Because mind you, I know a little
bit about mental money started this thing. This is more
of a self discovery journey for me to learn more
things about it because I had my own issues. I'm like,
(19:31):
I wonder what other people have the issues and who's
talking about these things.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And I found that a lot of our doctors, which
you know, it's don't get me wrong, doctors are great.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
The really cool people I've met. A lot of doctors
come on the show. But it's like we're the regular
people just exploring this topic alone and just bringing people
into the space that are doing other things like you
know what you're doing and other people are doing you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And it gets so fascinating because when you start adding
more voices to the whole conversation, the conversation just gets
real weird. But it's okay, Like it's like that good weird,
you know. It's not like oh, oh my god, somebody
just brought a chrystal of cupcakes to the party kind
of thing. It's like, hey, all right, cool, I like this.
You know, we got another personality, so and I'll mix
it up. The conversation is like it as you go.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And I think that's so important because I think again,
like we oftentimes like are taught and are learned to
see the world in a way where it's like we
have all the answers, like the questions have been answered,
and like they really haven't or they've been answered but
like with an ulterior motive or for some other reason
that isn't really like the best answer, and so.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Or we're not happy with the answer.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We get to think about it because you know, a
lot of times people make reference to your parents, but
it's like your parents or parents for the first time.
They haven't been parents before. So like these things you're
asking them, it's like you can't get mad at them
when they give you the wrong answer because they don't
even know themselves what.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The answer is. You know what I'm saying. It's just
it just blows you.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mines are like what totally I mean and and the
way I feel.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You know, when it comes to things like anxiety and depression,
I did reference it, like you know, I experienced a
lot more anxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, what I was younger, you know. You know.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
My personal opinion is that all emotions are information. They're
our minds and our bodies like telling us something, giving
us information that we should listen to and act on.
And I think it's completely rational and logical that in
a society so disconnected from like the way humans have
(21:20):
evolved to eat, to work, to live, to cohabitate, that
our minds and bodies would be like rebelling against us
and giving us these symptoms, these anxieties, these addictions, these depressions,
like these things that are our human spirit, like screaming out.
In my opinion that something's got to give that we
(21:41):
can't be on this, you know, forty hour work week treadmill,
that we can't be inundated on this, like diet of
NonStop news and information, like all these different things that
are just.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, it's you inform overload. You're right, I feel like
that too.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, how you have all these different apps and things
that just keep throwing shit at you, and you know,
like TikTok's very dictivia you get in that endless doom
cycle and you start looking through this and then the
weirder shit that they start sending you, and it's it's
so it's so predatorial if you think about it, because
they're like they're targeting you because the algorithm is playing
off what you're watching. It's like, okay, well you like this,
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let me feed you a little more of this the
same longer and get you to be addicted to this thing.
And I think what people think of addiction, they always
think drugs, and I'm like, no, it's much bigger than that,
Like there's there's a lot more.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly what you think.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I mean again, like our brains want to feel good
and so searching for dopamine serotonin, like all these things.
It's like our brain, our brain is like our brain
is a tool of consciousness, but it's not consciousness. And
I think we forget sometimes how our brains can be
like hijacked by those like dopamine, the serotonin, the endorphins,
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like all of these different things that feel good. Again
in modern society, you know, those circuits aren't running the
way they have evolution narily for you know, tens of
thousands of years for humans, and so it's easy for
our brains to get hijacked.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then also because we identify so much with.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Our brains and our egos, it's like then when we
feel hijacked, it's like, oh, that's our entire identity now,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Like that was one thing that you know, when I got.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Out of jail, I of course I did AA and
NA for a while, like traditional twelve step programs, and
they were super helpful. And I do feel like they
were helpful for me in the sense that they kind
of first introduced me to like the idea of God.
Of course they call it. I'm forgetting what they call
it now, like your higher power, whatever it is, whether
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it's like you, the group, whatever, And feel like that
was super helpful for me. But as I you know,
went along with my sobriety, what ended up not being
helpful for me was like identifying as an addict.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I was like, I'm not an addict. I was addicted.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
My brain has addictive tendencies with that's how the brain operates,
like biologically, that's how it works with Like, I am
not an ad it And so that's something that I
really like. Even when I hear someone say like I
have anxiety or I have depression, it's just something I
have to live with.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, I'm like, maybe or maybe.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's just a symptom of something that's happening for you
right now, and there's actually more to you that if
you're able to come in touch with that part of
yourself and remember that part of yourself, you'll realize that
there is like a deeper there's so much more to
you than that part of your brain that's like just
(24:35):
like the rat hitting like the cocaine water or whatever,
the in the cage, you.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Know what is it? Now?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The proverbial lizard thing. Now, my wife sent me that
fucking video with the lizard. I'm like, oh my god,
Now I can't stop hearing this is this is I'm like,
I swear to stop playing that video. I'm gonna freak out.
It's like, stop playing this fucking video. But no, I
get it though. It makes sense. So and I think
a lot of times too. Now with the Internet, you
have an information overload if you think about it, because
you have every but he's saying everybody's an expert at everything.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Oh shit, listen to me. Listen to that. It's like,
oh God, who would I listened to at this time?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, because it's like all these people start filling
your head with all this crap, and then it's like
the stuff you need, it's like it gets diluted because
all this other crap they keep throwing out there, and
you know, all these people are just saying all these big,
great things and it's like, well, God, what do I
believe at this point? Instead of asking the proper questions
of like okay, so what is your background?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, and see with which people are actually facked
from crap.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But it's like you get so much thrown at you
with all the different social media sites. It's like you've
got tons of attacks coming in for you. Its way,
it's just it's an identity crisis for some people.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And I feel like an even more important question I
would argue instead of like what's this person's background? Like,
you know, most of the stuff I see on Instagram,
it's like mostly other coaches, other spiritual people.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
On a spiritual path, Like that's what I'm interested in.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And the fact of the matter is, is even in
this like pretty curated algorithm that I have that's like
mostly positive, uplifting things, there is stuff in there that
sometimes gives me heartburn. For example, when I see people
that I admire that our spiritual leaders talk negatively about
psychedelics or have a really dogmatic view of X y
(26:13):
Z topic and it, you know, it does what it
always has it like, you know, it triggers you. It
makes you feel like, oh am I wrong? Am I?
You know, on the wrong path or whatever? And I
just feel like that is such, that is the ego.
That is the ego trying to keep you caught in
this like logical idea that we have of human society.
(26:35):
There's somehow a right way or a wrong way to
be a human and to know yourself and to know
God or spirit whatever you want to call it. And
so to me, like the bigger question is not like
what is this person's authority or their background, but it's
like is what they're saying true for me? Because I
think that different things can be true for different people
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and still hold validity. I think you can be a
completely conscious, wide awake person and never use psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, I also think they're a great tool.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think you can be a completely conscious awakened person
and be a Christian and read the Bible.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I also think that you don't need to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I also think that you can find love and light
in your own I mean, you know what I mean.
I think people of every religion, every dogma, every practice,
every it's like, you know, some people are meat eaters
and some people are vegetarians, and you know what, like
we're all biologically different. So maybe there's a different right
way for different people and that we have to find
that ourselves, you know. And so as like an intuitive coach,
(27:41):
kind of like the broader overarching thing I do, I
have psychedelics Like within it's really about guiding people back
to listening to the small, still voice within themselves, because
that is the voice of truth, that's the voice that
you can trust.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We're just not taught about that voice.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You know, we're not even really taught that it exists
or that it's a real thing, but it absolutely is
because that is that part of you that when you
see something and it resonates and you're like, that's truth,
Like that is that voice. And so really, as an
intuitive coach, that's what I try to do is like
hone people's ability to connect with and stay in connection
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with that voice, because then even when they do get
triggered and they see something that is against what they
believe or that is not right for them, they can
take it in with compassion and empathy and be like, Okay,
this person's walking a different path than me, and this
is the conclusion they've come to, and they're probably speaking
(28:43):
about it for a certain reason, and what they've decided
is right for them doesn't have to make me feel
right or wrong about myself unless I let it. And
that I think is true power. I mean, I really do.
I think that is true power. Is being able to say,
you know, what what's right for you might not be
right for me, and that's okay because I have enough
trust and knowledge in myself that it doesn't matter what
(29:07):
you think. I know what's good for me. I know
what's right for me. I know what I need to
do to take care of myself, and that's what I'm
going to do. And I feel like, you know, that's
what the world needs, rather than all of this like
constantly looking to these battling authorities of who is like
the right you know, the right person about whatever topic
(29:28):
it happens to be. You know, obviously in like facts matter,
but so much of the human experience isn't about facts.
It's about how we feel. It's about how we experience
the world. It's about what gives us satisfaction and fulfillment
and joy, and treating that aspect of human life the
same way as we treat like, you know, just the
(29:49):
information we have about the world around us, I think
is like a huge disservice to people.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, no, I agree, I think you're right. It makes sense,
you know, I think that's what people are really looking for.
But I feel like a lot of times they go
with the sheep like mentality just because everybody else is
doing it, now I want to go do it too,
or what is it fomo the fear of missing out
because they're like, oh god, I'm gonna miss out on
this instead of really focusing on, Hey, does this really
make sense to me? Or is this something I really like,
(30:14):
really in tune with. You know, so many people just
like to sit there and complain about shit, and just
like it's so easy to swipe on though, think about it,
so easy just to pass over it.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Okay, well this isn't for me, swipe on? What do
you do? You skip it? Okay? Cool, that's a great
thing about technology. You know, you can just pass over it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If it's not something for you, Okay, then tell it's
not for you, you know, don't sit there and keep
watching it because everyone else is watching it. It's always
like that scenario, like as a car crash, you want
to look away, but you can't, but you choose not to.
It's like, you know, like just just do the direct opposite,
you know, be the person for change. Really think about it,
you know, kind of like do your own thing. And
you know so many times you feel call that like, oh,
(30:50):
you're a hippie for.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Doing your own thing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But I think they had it right though. If you
think about it though, think about it like they were
more free spirited, they were more natural and causes of things.
They kind of just did whatever the flow in the
flow kind of did their own thing, and it's like
people looked at them differently. But now it's like, wait
a minute, maybe they were right about some things. You know,
maybe maybe some of those things they were saying was true,
you know what I mean. And I think, you know,
(31:12):
it just kind of depends what you get into. Like
you know this even with spirituality. It's just like it's
so fascinating the things that you could just learn just
by just going on a journey of self discovery, you know.
And I explore all all things, you know, I've been doing.
I did an episode where they we did my birch,
you know, because I really love astrology, so that was
fun to do. We are actually gonna explore human design
(31:33):
is actually coming up soon too. That's another one we're
gonna do and things like that because I'm like, it's
it's going to be so cool because it's just like
I'm going to experience it for myself and other people
get to watch it so they're not so scared of
what it is. And you know, there's a couple other
things I have planned too, like like different sessions with
other people that do different things in certain areas, you know,
just to get people a feel for what it is.
And then you know, one one person I were talking
(31:54):
about it and she beat me to the punch. She's like,
we should do an episode where we do a session
and you know, we'll do a session with you, but
people can watch you doing it. I'm like, yeah, why not,
let's go for it. I'm down for it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
What what do I have to lose at this point,
you know what I mean? Like what I may learn something,
it may not be for me. Okay, well it's not
for me, then that's cool too, because I also I
had somebody saying that too. They're like, well, you know,
if you don't like this, don't even negative review. I'm like,
but I'd rather be honest with people if I didn't
if it wasn't for me, I'll tell you it wasn't
for me. I'm not gonna hate on what you're doing,
you know. And I'm like, I'm trying to think what
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it was though. It was like some really deep process,
and she was like, I can't think of the name
is now on the top of my head, but she
was something quantum, something I can't remember what it's like
a quantum healing session, like they go deep into your
psychological deep, you know, deep in your psyche kind of thing.
And I was like, oh, that'd be so cool, but
you know, I hadn't. I haven't done it yet because
there's a lot of requirements for that, but I haven't
(32:47):
done it yet. But it's a plan to do that
too as well, you know, things like that. And there's
a couple other people that are gonna be like the askit.
I keep messing the name of this thing with record
reading the consci records. I can never get that word
right no matter how many times I say. But yeah,
we're gonna do something like that too. That's another plan
for something else, you know. And you know I found
out though, like when I touched on a little bit
of human design, I find I'm a man generator. So
(33:08):
the fact that I'm trying to do twenty thousand niggs
at once may sound complex to people, but people that
get it understand that me as a man generator. That's
what I do, you know. And then when I started
studying my birth chart, it was like, well, my Ari's
moon is coming through, and people were just looking at
me like, what the hell does that mean that you're
about to find out. Don't worry, hang on, you know,
like it's It was so fascinating to learn that, like,
(33:28):
you know, public speaking was in my chart because it
was like the ten thousand things. I had a lot
of activity in the tenthousand with like spirituality, public speaking,
and a few other things in there. Was just like
I had a lot of activity in the tenth house
for one of reason is where everything was just going on.
But it was so interesting because the woman that was
doing it had no idea anything about me prior to
this conversation. She knew who I was a little bit
(33:49):
because the woman with the spiritual with spirit is actually
somebody she worked close with. The two of them had
actually linked up, and that's how I realized that two
of them knew each other. And she's like, yeah, you know,
we were talking the phone last night. I told about
your podcast and she said, oh, yeah, I've been on
the show and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Too, and I was just laughing. I'm like, oh yeah,
I get that a lot lately.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
You know a lot of people have either heard of
my show, or somebody's mentioned my name to them, or
I mentioned my name, or my name's mentioned to them
kind of thing, you know, and it's it's so fascinating though,
but I liked I like being in an open book
for people to see just like how these things go
and you know, so it's kind of fun because at
the same time people can see that, hey listen, you
don't have to be too worried about it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
This is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
You never know what you're going to find out about
yourself as you go in things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Too, So it is I mean, that's what it comes
down to.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Is there so many different systems, like over human history
that have evolved to help us make sense of ourselves,
like you know, from a very psychological perspective, from these
like archetypes that like exist within all of us. You know.
I don't know if you are familiar at all with
like Carl Jung or his work.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I remember love it's like astrology, human design, Tero.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Tarot's interesting and oracle cards are very interesting too.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I've had that, Yeah, and they're similar to astrology and
that they're this like archetypal mandala that helps us, you know,
understand the way like the energies weave together in the
world and how everything is.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, there's nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
It's kind of it's all the same story over and
over again, repeating right, and even in our own lives,
Like we're all affected by the same energies, the same passions,
the same you know, we're human like that, we all
are afflicted or gifted with the same you know, gods
that move us, you know what I mean, whether it's
hatred or joy, or love or jealousy. You know, it's
(35:40):
like these things are all within us, and there's so
many different systems, and I think there's so much confusion
about them and fear, like what you said, because again
people clinging on to this idea of oh, well, my
system's more right than yours. This is the definitive way
of looking at things. And it's like it doesn't have
to be that way. We can keep what works for
(36:02):
ourselves and leave the rest. If terror aristrology don't work
for you, then like, don't pay attention to them, you
know what I mean, because there's plenty of other ways
of getting to know yourself that might work better for you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's just and I think that's like the joy of the.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Personal growth, journey, of the spiritual awakening, journey of this
journey of curiosity is that there's so many different paths
that I believe lead to the same source. And I
also think that that's why, you know, historically it's been
so dangerous. It is because in the interest of order
and control, it's just easier if everyone thinks the same thing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But not it's that sheeap like mentality. If we all
believe the.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Same thing, you know, and then you're like Aristotle, you know, hey,
wait a minute, everything doesn't evolve around the earth that
it involves around the sun.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You're like, oh no, oh, you're wrong, You're wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Because you have this outside idea of what they have
all thought, you know, for all this time, and you know,
and it's it is. It's just funny though, because it's like,
you know, you get these people that are so easily
influenced to go follow these crazy ideas that they come
up with, and then it's like one person the next person,
you know, and things like that. It's just like do
you don't listen to yourself sometimes, like honestly, like what
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you're saying, like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Do you really believe this?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know? And some people are just like you get
they give you that vibe like they're like they're just
going with the flow because they don't want to go
against the grain because they're afraid that you know, they'll leave,
they'll lose something in the end of it, like the
friends won't be there. But you know, really, if you
think about the energy principle, like if they're not staying there,
obviously they don't like the energy you're putting out and
you don't like the energy they're giving off, and it's
(37:40):
just natural what happens. You'll attract the people you want
around you. I think a lot of more people are
having that more sense of adventure now and they're like, oh,
you know, let's go, let's go for it, versus you know,
sticking with the old world mentality of oh no, we
need to do this, you need to go to school,
you need to go to that. All these are things
that we've been constantly told all the lives that we
need to do or else we'll be wrong, or the
world to come in because you're not doing this. It's
(38:02):
like a lot of people are going in the grain
and now they're being they try to ostracize them because
they're like, oh, well, you know, I don't like they
don't want to work, or they want to do this,
or you know, whatever e Ski should come up with.
It's all the same thing. You know, you're basically in line,
you're basically mad because they're the they're the one that
the other other thought process versus everybody else.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Welly, I mean, and like I said, I mean, I
experienced that myself in twenty twenty of feeling like totally like,
oh my gosh, am I a bad person because I
don't believe like what I'm supposed to believe or I'm
not on this side of this political viewpoint or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And it is it's like it's disheartening.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
And you know, when you grow up in a society
where you're like rewarded for being good and following the rules,
and then all of a sudden you're like, yeah, but
I don't think these rules are like the right rules.
It's it is scary, and you know, I did lose
friends over it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I did.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
You know people still that I was like very close to,
and like our relationship has never been the same because
they just saw me as a bad person for what
I believed. And or maybe not a bad person, but
ignorant somehow or uncaring or I mean, there's all these
different things but at the end of the day, it's
(39:14):
because we've been indoctrinated in these systems of like I said,
order and control that I think ultimately like work on
like shame, and no human likes to feel ashamed or guilty.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No human wants to be the bad guy, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And so when your friend tells you you're inhumane or
you don't care, you're not thinking about this, right, it
like triggers that response in us of like shame, of like,
oh no, maybe I am a bad person. And shame
is such a dangerous place to be because that is
where a lot of people, rather than feel that feeling
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and working through it and coming to establish themselves within
like their own sense of what is right and wrong,
would rather just not deal with it. And so they're
gonna toe whatever line they need to toe, whether they
really believe it or not. And then you mix that
in with like influence and power and money and all
these other things. It's like, of course there's people that
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are just going along with it, and they probably don't
believe half the things are saying, but they have a
great life and they're living in the material world, and
that's what they're gonna do because that's just the game
that we're playing here on this earth. And I mean,
you can't even really hold that against someone. You know,
that's just where their consciousness is at and the role
(40:34):
they've chosen to play or been born to play.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And so it's me.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
It really does come back to like finding that sense
of self where you know right from wrong and you
can feel that even if someone is pointing a finger
at you, that you can be like, I know I'm
a good person. I know my heart is pure, I
know that I'm coming at this for my reasons, even
(41:01):
if these other people don't understand them, I understand myself
and being able to like let shame roll off your back,
you know what I mean, because shame is so unhealthy.
And I think that guilt and shame at their root
are like underneath a lot of depression and anxiety and addiction.
It's like us this voice in our head that's constantly like,
(41:23):
you should be doing this, You shouldn't have said that.
The way you talk to this person that was bad.
What are they going to think of you? Oh, I
didn't show up to work today or I'm late. And
now it's like this inner dialogue that's just constantly like shame, shame, shame,
shaming us, And it's like, where does that come from?
That's not natural, that's like how we've been bred as humans.
(41:48):
I feel is that that voice is the voice of God.
And I'm like, that's not the voice of God. That
voice constantly telling you that you suck is not the
voice of God.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
I can tell you that right now. A lot of
times it's it's it's the negative self talk. And I
did a whole episode of that with somebody. We were
we were discovering that, and she had a background neuroscience,
and it was very interesting to find out. She said
that recently they discovered there's a part of your brain
where that a lot of that talk would come from though,
and it actually generates from there. And it was we
(42:17):
wented this hour long conversation and it was just so
fascinating because like, you didn't feel at any point in
this conversation with her that you were lost because she
kept it. So they kept the lingo enough that you
knew what was going on. And it's really good explaining things,
so you know, but it was it was interesting. So
I always tell you that though I'm like, oh, we
don't do that negative self talk here, you know, anytime
(42:38):
maybe starts trying to like do that kind of like
harping on themselves kind of things. So it's like I'm
my harshest critic, Like I get on my own ass
about a lot of things, Like I get on myself
and that thought start going like that, and my anxiety
takes it and goes, Okay, let's go over drive time,
so we're going a thousand miles an hour instead, you know,
And it's it's funny when you know people that don't
get it, they try to tell you to like, oh,
you just.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Need to relax and used to calm down.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's like, yeah, I wish, really, that's what it's like.
It's like, you know, if you took a car battery,
it's just jumped somebody. Yeah, that's what you're trying to stop.
It's just not working right now.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You're not you're not.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Whatever you're saying to me is not getting through. I
hope you writing this to you, you know. Or they
come in and they get too excited and then they
start getting you more exciting and they're like, you know,
I'm feeding off your energy currently as I'm having a
freak out or something, you know, like, are you start
having like a pang attack if you'll come here home?
You just need to calm down. And it's like, no,
please stop talking. You just want to tell him you
shut up, but you can't because it's your boss or
(43:30):
somebody else. Because I've had a I've had a freak
out stshoe as that worked before, and my boss kept
buck coming up to me and she just started ramping
up even more and just kept saying things, and I'm
just like, I just wish you'd go the fuck away, honestly,
please leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But you can't tell that to your boss. You're like
you're thinking of this and you're like, m yeah, you know.
And it's it's so funny though.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's because one of the other guys that worked with
he understood what was going on, and he was just
standing there.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
We'll just standing and watching it. He just going completely
nuts and he's just like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
All right, you know, it's okay, you're good, and he's
just so soft and melo by. She kept coming back
and trying to feel the fire more and it's just like, yeah,
he's like, yeah, I wish you'd go way too.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, but people some people get it and some
people don't get it. But you know, you can. You
can see though.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
And it's a generational thing too, if you think about it,
because a lot of the old generation was always taught
you know that, oh you're just gott to suck it
up or whatever all these other things. Right now, this
newer generation is more in tuned a little bit more,
And I think that's what scares a lot of them,
is the fact that a lot of them are more
they're going against that grain of that mentality through a
pre program with the well you can't you can't have feelings,
(44:31):
or you can't talk about your issues and things like that. No, no, no,
you know, the whole defining roles, all that shit. We
can get into for another hour at least. But craft,
you know what I'm saying, It's just like it's so
crazy though.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Programming.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
It's all programming to keep us like bringing it back
to like you know what you said about my bio
like of like it's consciousness, you know what I mean,
And like that's the thing is like that's what I
think can can help anyone start, Like really just being
aware is like you're at this level of awareness where
like you can be in this interaction with your boss
(45:06):
and like see it for what it is where she's.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mm hmmm Jesus yeah god, no, right, no,
I agree, I agree hundred percentage there. I love the
Encyclopedia reference for all the younger kids who don't know
what those are.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Those were books where we had to use. We didn't
have the Internet.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Okay, that shit didn't exist, bro, we had what was
like AOL was our first first Internet experience, like you
know those chat rooms and all other shits. You know,
it's like, oh god, it was that you got mail
was all of the big thing. You always heard it
say that you got mail, and you're all excited about it,
you know, but yeah, you know it's I think it's
like you said, there's good and there's bad with it
(45:44):
when it comes with all the information at your fingertips.
For the little goud, please stop webmding your symptoms. You
don't have cancer unless you actually go see a doctor
that could tell you that.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I got to tell you that Wikipedia isn't real. It's
just factual for most of the things on there. I mean,
I could go for this for hours on this thing,
you know, but it's it's like, what was that being said?
We're getting ready to start wrapping up, though, Chelsea have
two questions for you. I ask all my guests the
same questions. Okay, so the first one is credit to
a good friend of mine. She has a podcast that's
called The Shit that goes On in Her Heads. Okay,
(46:12):
So the question is to you, is that if your
mental health had a song, what would that song be?
If your mental health had a song, what would that
song be. That's a very good question from a lot
of people. A lot of people were like, damn, that's
really good. I'm like, this is fun to hear the
answers to this. There you go, yeah, see, you know,
we've had it. We have a lot interesting once. It's
so interesting because people all that's what they go to.
They're like, I'm gonna go with the first thing that
popped in my head.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm like, go for it.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You just want to give into it because it's so
interesting to hear people's responses to things. You know, we've had.
We've had a forty nine year old Middle Eastern woman
tell me beat It by Michael Jackson was her mental
health song. I damn near died when she said I
was like, I was like, get a girl, come on, now,
let's go. So there's another question I ask everybody, and
the whole reason this podcast exists is if you could
(46:54):
break the stigma about mental health. I mean, anything you
hear out there that you're just like, you don't stop.
I'm gonna come to this computer and hit the slap
button on you. What would it be exactly?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
And with that being said, guys are gonna wrap up
this episode of Pete for Sonxiety. Chelsea, thanks so much
for being here. But did you want to plug where
everybody can find you? Your Facebook, website, anything you got
that you think that's the best way for them to
confind you. And with that being said, guys, we're gonna
wrap up this episode of Pete for Sonxiety. You guys
don't wanna find me. I'm Pete for Sonxiety and X
all the way down to TikTok, I'm on Spotify all
the way down a heart Radio. And I was always
(47:25):
say it costs nothing, actually doesn't be kind to somebody.
One kind act you could do because save s's life
or hell, you can make their day. I'm Pete for anxiety,
signing off saying don't ask how your day is today,
say hey, how's your about the help Today?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I got my tegrity and my word. What the die
that didn't work?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Don't have to.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Don't think that w
Hello, and welcome into an exciting episode of Pete for
sing Anxiety. My guest today is an intuitive coach, psychedelic facilitator, motivated, motivated,
and fascinated by the intersections of conscious and expansion with
personal growth. Please welcome in the one the only Chelsea Gulcher.
How you doing today, Chelsea?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm doing pretty well.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
How are you doing great? Chelsea? Want to tell everybody
a little more about yourself? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Absolutely. I live in Tennessee now. I was born and
raised in Alaska, where I spent most of my life.
I have a pretty diverse background. I spent a lot
of my twenties doing sales, corporate sales, radio sales, and
for the last seven eight years or so, I've really
been kind of on a entrepreneurial journey turned spiritual journey
(01:04):
turned spiritual awakening. And here I am right.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, first off, Alaska, Jesus Man, like what people.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Looking their place to grow up?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You know, amazing, girl, it's got to be colder than
most people's refrigerators.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
There, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, I'm from southeast Alaska.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So if you can visualize like the islands off British Columbia,
that's the part of Alaska. I'm in so a lot
more temperate, lots of rain. It's it's a temperate rainforest,
so a ton of rain. But you know, mountains, big trees, whales, bears,
very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, Okay, yeah, okay, I get that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Get that.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, So what got you to being where you're at now?
Like a psychodalic facility? I know, I know I've had
something on with psychedelica for is it like you doing
like the whole.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Figure out the micro dosing and now we're on the
right line so on that?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Can you repeat that last part?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So my question for you is psychic delic facilitator. What
is said exactly? Is that like the people that do
the microdosing kind of thing?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, So as a facilitator, so you know, I've gone
through an expensive seven month training to get certified as
a facilitator, and I also have, you know, my own
experience and kind of like my own body of work
with psychedelics over the course of my life. It's kind
of been something that's woven in and out of my
personal path and really the job of a facilitator is
(02:26):
to hold space psychedelics. You know, I work particularly with
psilocybin mushrooms, But psychedelics, you know, they they open your
brain up in ways that other substances don't.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
They're very unique.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
You know, they're drugs, but you know, I would argue
that drugs come in all shapes and sizes. You know,
some have positive impacts and some obviously have very negative impacts.
But as a psychedelic facilitator, really what my job entails
is just holding space because psychedelics are magical what they do.
You know, science is starting to explain, but it really
(03:00):
is a magical process and unique. And so, you know,
something that I learned from my teacher in the certification
process was really, like the psychedelics, the mushrooms have it
all on their own. You know, someone can take mushrooms
for the first time by themselves, with no knowledge of
what they're getting themselves into, and have an earth shattering experience.
(03:22):
They could also take them and have a horrible experience.
They could also take them and have a disappointing experience
and think that they're gonna, you know, see God or
something and nothing happens, you know, And so kind of
the way we speak about it in the circles that
I'm a part of are that the psychedelics have it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
They're the ones with the magic. They're doing their job, They're.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Working on an individual's consciousness in whatever way they're doing.
And as a facilitator, your job is really just to
be there, to be that human element that supports. In
my work with clients mostly right now, I do one
to one work, so I, you know, facilitate the ingestion
of the substance along with them, and I'm basically there
(04:05):
to be a safe space, a container, someone they can
talk to, someone to lead them through the process of
things start to get scary or go awry.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Something really important to my training too is like set
and setting. I'm sure you heard that from like, you know,
the people back in the sixties really realizing that set
and setting are hugely important, and even in the more
like clinical aspects of psychedelics that are really coming online,
that's something that people are you know, really paying a
lot of attention to and working with. Also is making sure
(04:36):
that when people come into these situations, you know, they're
in a beautiful space, they feel safe, and that they
kind of have some guidelines about how to navigate things
if it does start to get weird.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Or scary.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I've had a guest on before.
She she Delta side too. Think she's did, she said,
somewhere in the European area. I can't remember exactly where
she was from the I think like Finland or something
like that. She was telling us a little bit about
the same idea. But she did a lot of work
here in the US as well, she said, And it's
basically had facilitators set up in different areas, kind of
(05:10):
like yourself, you know, that would do these kind of things.
So a lot of that stuff is not new to
me at all. But I like the idea of using
mushrooms because it's more of a natural thing versus a
lot of these pharmaceuticals with all these other crazy effects
they start adding in.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It's just like, oh God.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
If you sit there watching these commercials nowadays, they're so
deceiving because it's like all the bright colors are popping
up and then all of a sudden, that low tone
voice comes in, Oh, some side effects you make extreme,
and they just start listing off things that you couldn't
even imagine.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You're like, wait, what, hold on.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean I could go down a whole rabbit
hole on like my opinions on like the pharmaceutical industry.
But I'll spare, I'll spare your listeners. I'm sure they
could imagine, but I do. And I think, you know, obviously,
like I said, psychedelics, I mean they're a class of drugs. Yeah,
drugs have a negative connotation. Obviously, drugs can be great too.
(05:59):
I think it's ridiculous to think at this point that
some government entity is accurately like in charge of determining
like what's good and bad for people.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
But you know, natural though, you know what I mean,
if something is natural, is you're going to get you
know what I mean kind of thing. It's not like
something that's been processed over time and all these other
things added in there, you know what I mean, You're
getting basically the bare bone sentils of it.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Though.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I mean, a really great book to read is like
Food of the Gods and Terence McKenna, and it really
goes into how I mean, there's a lot of evidence
that psilocybin specifically and all kinds of different psychoactive sacraments
have been used like throughout human history and that we've
really kind of co evolved along with these substances. So
while I wouldn't like just say, you know, anything natural
(06:46):
is good, I think there's like a little bit of
truth in that, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I think that it's a lot better.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
And I think that I just think that the effects
of psychedelics can be so powerful on how they act
on the brain specific and help people open up their
point of view and their way of looking at things
in a way that sometimes can be almost impossible for
people that are so deeply entrenched in like the thought
patterns that you know, they've been swimming in their entire life.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So I think it is pretty amazing, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And there can be negative effects with psychedelics, but a
lot of them are you know, often with people that
shouldn't really be taking them in the first place, people
that already have like a weak ego construct or people
that like have like a legitimate, you know, physical like contraindication.
Like people that aren't SSRIs, for example, should not take
(07:39):
psychedelics until they wean themselves off the SSRIs because you
can have like a serotonin dump experience, which.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Can be bad.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Other than that, I mean, most of the you know,
even a bad trip, it's mostly in the mind, and
really you know, coming back to the job of as
a facilitator, part of the job is to help someone
navigate that and be like, Okay, what are these fears?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
What is this scary thing? What is this trying to
tell you?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
What does moving towards this fear have for you in
the way of your own development?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Your own growth? Like, what can you learn from this experience?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So even things that could seem negative, I think have
in the long run of positive value, just like any
other life experience.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, you're going to learn from the good and
the bad.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, speaking of life experience, what's a little bit about
your background. I know I didn't list some of it
that you have that you set me over. I know
that you had it says addiction, codependency in people pleasing,
And I know people pleasing is a big one that's
come up recently for me a lot of times with
people too, So I find it very interesting. So do
you want to touch on that a little bit for us?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I mean I feel like I tend to be a
little long winded, but I'll kind of give you, like
the quick rundown of the life of Chelsea in a nutshell.
I've always been like when I say, people pleaser, Like
I've always been really good at like knowing what the
people in authority wanted and like how to give it
to them. And so I was like a straight A
student in school, so genuinely learning, so like you know,
(09:01):
it was it was easy for me to like, it
was always easy for me to get along with authority
because I felt like it was aligned with me, like
usually what they wanted out of me.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I wanted to do my best.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So I was like class president and salutatorian and you know,
I was a big high achiever in high school. But
I didn't have a lot of direction. You know, I
thought maybe for a while that I wanted to be
a lawyer because I wanted to get into politics, and
I ended up going to college and feeling pretty lost
about what I was actually going to do with my
(09:34):
life and not feeling inspired at all. I mean, deep down,
I'd always wanted to be a performer. I'd done ballet
and stuff all growing up, so I really wanted, like
my goal was to like go to Hollywood and be
an actress. That's what I really wanted deep down. But
of course, you know that wasn't like obviously a straight
a student, like you need to go to college and
get a degree and all that stuff. And so in college,
(09:55):
I ended up, you know, finding a lot of solace
in my boyfriend at the time, and he'd had some
struggles with addiction with like oxy conton when like the
prescription drug problem was really becoming a thing for a
lot of young people in this country. And he and
I ended up getting into heroin together, and so I
spent three years addicted to heroin and then methamphetamine. I
(10:18):
ended up dropping out of college. I ended up actually
spending eight months in jail, and that probably like saved
my life. Eight months was enough to get me clean,
get my head back on. Right when I got out
of jail, I was able to be like, you know what,
like maybe there's more for me than this like criminal
life I've been living for the last three years that
i'd like taken on. I mean, I totally get when
(10:39):
they say, like people become gang members and it's like family.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's like that's how I felt.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I felt like these people were my friends, and I
felt like they were the only people that really understood
me and understood like how boring and how uninspiring, like
regular societal life felt to me. So I got out though,
and like ended up getting a job in my own place,
and like before I knew it, I was like back
on the ground running.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I'd gotten a job.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I was in a small town in Alaska, like I said,
so a lot of people were willing to give me
a second chance, which I'm very grateful for. And so I,
you know, pretty soon I got like a radio sales job,
and then I was working for the Chamber of Commerce,
and then I got into corporate sales, and I just
like kind of my life was coming back together. I
ended up I was engaged. I'd bought a house, like
(11:28):
I was checking all the boxes. I was redeemed, you
know what I mean. That's how I felt. But now
I also like was just feeling like it still wasn't it.
You know, I still was just feeling I mean, I
constantly worried about what people thought of me. I was
constantly worrying that I wasn't good enough. Like I just
(11:50):
felt like I was constantly trying to prove myself, you know.
And I had a lot of questions about myself too,
like how could I have gotten into drugs?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like it seemed like kind of an anomaly, Like.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I was this person, and then I was this other person,
and now I was back to like version one of myself,
and none of it was really adding up, you know,
And so I started to kind of start digging into myself.
And then twenty twenty happened, and then I had a
lot of time to dig into myself and a lot
of other things. And I think what happened for me
(12:19):
most poignantly that year is that my identity that I'd
taken on as like the good girl, the person.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That always like is in line with.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Authority, with the law of the land, with whatever you
want to call it. Like that identity like got shattered
completely because I felt so disconnected from like the narrative
and even you know, people in my community, older people
I looked up to, people that I'd been in different
you know, community service organizations and rotary clubs and all
these things with like I just suddenly was like not
(12:54):
in agreement with a lot of them on a lot
of these issues that twenty twenty brought up. And I
was like, well, who am I then? If I'm not
like the good girl, who am I? If I'm the
person like that? All of a sudden, people are like
yelling at on Facebook for saying something you know, and
and it like it kind of put me into like
this first like dark Knight of the Soul type thing
(13:16):
where I just I shut down. I felt like I
didn't want to talk to anyone. I didn't want to
share my opinions anymore. I felt so unsafe, you know.
And but it also gave me a lot of time
to like kind of really realize that I was having
a spiritual awakening, like having a full blown like just
getting these downloads. And I'm not like nan't or I
(13:37):
don't hear or see things, but I just like I
get these like downloads where I just like know things.
And so I was getting these downloads about like scripture
and I didn't grow up Chris like just crazy stuff.
It sounds crazy, but like for me, it was a
spiritual awakening.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I started working with a couple different.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Coaches, and pretty soon I was like, this is it,
this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I need
to help other people get through whatever the hell's happening
for me. And so I started to, like I said,
learn different modalities. I got my coaching certification and then
the psychedelics thing just it kind of I connected with
(14:13):
someone online. I loved her energy, and psychedelics hadn't necessarily
been something I was looking to integrate into my tool
set for working with clients. But quickly after talking to her,
I was like, you know, I think that there's something
to this. And I hadn't, like I said, my own
personal experience psychedelics and knew how powerful they could be.
So I was like, yeah, let's take this seriously and
(14:33):
see if it's something that I can put in my
tool belt and make available to people that you know,
are looking to expand their consciousness and come to understand
the world maybe a little bit differently than the very
black and white way that most of us understand it,
and that can lead us feeling hopeless, depressed, anxious, all
of these things that I'm sure you're very familiar with.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, definitely, I have depression and anxiety really bad. It
just depends on what the day's life like for me.
Some days it's like yeah, I'm okay, but other days
it's like I just don't want to do anything else.
I get up do this podcast record and they go
right back into that depressive mode, you know, And I
love hearing your story because it's like you're you're on
this journey of self discovery basically is what it seems like, Yeah,
(15:17):
you were like this one person and now you're a
whole different person. And I go through the same thing
too with this show in the beginning. If you guys,
if anybody who has been listening to the early episodes,
if you listen to them, you'll notice the way the
interviews change as we go, because it's like I start
learning new things as I go, I start meeting new people,
get a little different respective and they start picking up
things from the people. Like energy was a big one.
(15:38):
When I met one woman called herself the Energy Alchemist.
Me and her had this hour long conversation just deep
into it. I was just like, dude, okay, this makes
sense because I had the same thing. I couldn't explain,
you know, almost like you were having those downloads tips,
Like it's just weird things that are going on, and
I couldn't explain around me like I could. I'm energy sensitive,
so I could feel people's energy, and I can never
explain the next feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You know, It's like hell is this feeling? You know,
like what is this?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And I start explaining it to her and she's like, well,
that's because your energy sensitive. I said, Okay, now it
makes a little more sense, you know, because she broke
it down for you. And I was like, you know,
I had this weird feeling, like and I was explaining
it to her, and you know, it's It's been interesting though,
because I've had some interviews where like people had the
spiritual connection too, and she just called this one, uh,
the one when I met she had this ntique called
(16:22):
spirit And like if you're watching the episode, like like
right in the middle of when she starts reading something
to me, I just go completely just like dead stare,
and like afterwards, I just start going off, like I
just started going off, like I just had a sugar
rush just hit, you know. But it was like it's
so hard to explain what was going on because like
you can see I go blank, and I'm like, in
that moment, nothing else exists.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Whatever she's saying just matters. That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like the air conditioning can be running above my hat,
I couldn't even hear that, and everything just went completely
silent except for what she was saying, you know. And
it's it's so I feel that one hundred percent. Like
I love hearing that too when people's stories are like
that similar to mine, because it's just like, whoa, Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
How do you explain this feeling?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Now?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Now this is something new, I got to go explore
what is that?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know? And I love it too when people bring
other things to the table because then I'm like, well,
now I got to go explore this thing.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Now, new rabbit hole to go down? It is.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It feels like being a detective and like it's like
following the trail of breadcrumbs because I feel like, as humans,
we do have so much knowledge within us, you know,
within our lineages, within our memories, and we're like taught
to not really take it seriously, you know what I mean,
Like we're taught to look outside of ourselves constantly for
authority and knowledge, and well that's all fine and dandy.
(17:32):
It's like a sliver, you know, and what is authority anyway?
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's just it's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
It really has been a unique journey, and I feel like,
you know, what I do is more important than ever
because I feel like, you know, the way things have unfolded,
you know, over the last five years, and especially this year,
I feel like it's like.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
More people are.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Going through this this reckoning of like who they really
are and what human life is really about. And it's
just like a fascinating time to be alive. Sometimes stressful
and sometimes disheartening, but I think overall fascinating and I
am hopeful.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right exactly, No, I agree. I think it's more that
people are starting to start to worry more about themselves,
you know, And I think COVID's really brought it forward
for a lot of people's you know, mental tissues and things. Well,
that stuff started coming to the forefront. He was like,
oh God, what is this feeling Now, I have to
discover what this problem is, you know. And then you know,
everybody just hresterpy therapy there and they're like, oh, I
(18:36):
don't like therapy. Derby's terrible because people just give you
drugs and they'll just try and dope you up on things,
you know. And I think that's what really scared a
lot of people are talking about their problems, because like
when you get into like suicide ideation, man, people start
freaking out, like going nuts. Like I had an episode
where somebody here on the show was talking about his
thoughts and he's like, yeah, this morning I thought about
killing myself and I was like, oh god, And in
(18:57):
my mind I'm freaking out, going, oh god, what does
he say right now? And he's just going into a
complete conversation. And you know, after the episode it aired,
I had like fifteen emails of people going, oh.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
My god, what happened? Is he okay? Is he all right?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I'm like yeah, I'm like, yeah, he's fine, He's and
you know, and you know, things you've learned, You're like
during things like that, you're like, okay, well, you know,
at the time, you know, you don't realize what's going on,
but then you learn that you know, in fact that
he's talking to you is better than him not saying
anything at all. Because mind you, I know a little
bit about mental money started this thing. This is more
of a self discovery journey for me to learn more
things about it because I had my own issues. I'm like,
(19:31):
I wonder what other people have the issues and who's
talking about these things.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And I found that a lot of our doctors, which
you know, it's don't get me wrong, doctors are great.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
The really cool people I've met. A lot of doctors
come on the show. But it's like we're the regular
people just exploring this topic alone and just bringing people
into the space that are doing other things like you
know what you're doing and other people are doing you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And it gets so fascinating because when you start adding
more voices to the whole conversation, the conversation just gets
real weird. But it's okay, Like it's like that good weird,
you know. It's not like oh, oh my god, somebody
just brought a chrystal of cupcakes to the party kind
of thing. It's like, hey, all right, cool, I like this.
You know, we got another personality, so and I'll mix
it up. The conversation is like it as you go.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And I think that's so important because I think again,
like we oftentimes like are taught and are learned to
see the world in a way where it's like we
have all the answers, like the questions have been answered,
and like they really haven't or they've been answered but
like with an ulterior motive or for some other reason
that isn't really like the best answer, and so.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Or we're not happy with the answer.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We get to think about it because you know, a
lot of times people make reference to your parents, but
it's like your parents or parents for the first time.
They haven't been parents before. So like these things you're
asking them, it's like you can't get mad at them
when they give you the wrong answer because they don't
even know themselves what.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The answer is. You know what I'm saying. It's just
it just blows you.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Mines are like what totally I mean and and the
way I feel.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You know, when it comes to things like anxiety and depression,
I did reference it, like you know, I experienced a
lot more anxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, what I was younger, you know. You know.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
My personal opinion is that all emotions are information. They're
our minds and our bodies like telling us something, giving
us information that we should listen to and act on.
And I think it's completely rational and logical that in
a society so disconnected from like the way humans have
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evolved to eat, to work, to live, to cohabitate, that
our minds and bodies would be like rebelling against us
and giving us these symptoms, these anxieties, these addictions, these depressions,
like these things that are our human spirit, like screaming out.
In my opinion that something's got to give that we
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can't be on this, you know, forty hour work week treadmill,
that we can't be inundated on this, like diet of
NonStop news and information, like all these different things that
are just.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, it's you inform overload. You're right, I feel like
that too.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, how you have all these different apps and things
that just keep throwing shit at you, and you know,
like TikTok's very dictivia you get in that endless doom
cycle and you start looking through this and then the
weirder shit that they start sending you, and it's it's
so it's so predatorial if you think about it, because
they're like they're targeting you because the algorithm is playing
off what you're watching. It's like, okay, well you like this,
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let me feed you a little more of this the
same longer and get you to be addicted to this thing.
And I think what people think of addiction, they always
think drugs, and I'm like, no, it's much bigger than that,
Like there's there's a lot more.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, exactly what you think.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I mean again, like our brains want to feel good
and so searching for dopamine serotonin, like all these things.
It's like our brain, our brain is like our brain
is a tool of consciousness, but it's not consciousness. And
I think we forget sometimes how our brains can be
like hijacked by those like dopamine, the serotonin, the endorphins,
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like all of these different things that feel good. Again
in modern society, you know, those circuits aren't running the
way they have evolution narily for you know, tens of
thousands of years for humans, and so it's easy for
our brains to get hijacked.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then also because we identify so much with.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Our brains and our egos, it's like then when we
feel hijacked, it's like, oh, that's our entire identity now,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Like that was one thing that you know, when I got.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Out of jail, I of course I did AA and
NA for a while, like traditional twelve step programs, and
they were super helpful. And I do feel like they
were helpful for me in the sense that they kind
of first introduced me to like the idea of God.
Of course they call it. I'm forgetting what they call
it now, like your higher power, whatever it is, whether
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it's like you, the group, whatever, And feel like that
was super helpful for me. But as I you know,
went along with my sobriety, what ended up not being
helpful for me was like identifying as an addict.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I was like, I'm not an addict. I was addicted.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
My brain has addictive tendencies with that's how the brain operates,
like biologically, that's how it works with Like, I am
not an ad it And so that's something that I
really like. Even when I hear someone say like I
have anxiety or I have depression, it's just something I
have to live with.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, I'm like, maybe or maybe.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's just a symptom of something that's happening for you
right now, and there's actually more to you that if
you're able to come in touch with that part of
yourself and remember that part of yourself, you'll realize that
there is like a deeper there's so much more to
you than that part of your brain that's like just
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like the rat hitting like the cocaine water or whatever,
the in the cage, you.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Know what is it? Now?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
The proverbial lizard thing. Now, my wife sent me that
fucking video with the lizard. I'm like, oh my god,
Now I can't stop hearing this is this is I'm like,
I swear to stop playing that video. I'm gonna freak out.
It's like, stop playing this fucking video. But no, I
get it though. It makes sense. So and I think
a lot of times too. Now with the Internet, you
have an information overload if you think about it, because
you have every but he's saying everybody's an expert at everything.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Oh shit, listen to me. Listen to that. It's like,
oh God, who would I listened to at this time?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You know, because it's like all these people start filling
your head with all this crap, and then it's like
the stuff you need, it's like it gets diluted because
all this other crap they keep throwing out there, and
you know, all these people are just saying all these big,
great things and it's like, well, God, what do I
believe at this point? Instead of asking the proper questions
of like okay, so what is your background?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
You know, and see with which people are actually facked
from crap.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But it's like you get so much thrown at you
with all the different social media sites. It's like you've
got tons of attacks coming in for you. Its way,
it's just it's an identity crisis for some people.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And I feel like an even more important question I
would argue instead of like what's this person's background? Like,
you know, most of the stuff I see on Instagram,
it's like mostly other coaches, other spiritual people.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
On a spiritual path, Like that's what I'm interested in.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And the fact of the matter is, is even in
this like pretty curated algorithm that I have that's like
mostly positive, uplifting things, there is stuff in there that
sometimes gives me heartburn. For example, when I see people
that I admire that our spiritual leaders talk negatively about
psychedelics or have a really dogmatic view of X y
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Z topic and it, you know, it does what it
always has it like, you know, it triggers you. It
makes you feel like, oh am I wrong? Am I?
You know, on the wrong path or whatever? And I
just feel like that is such, that is the ego.
That is the ego trying to keep you caught in
this like logical idea that we have of human society.
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There's somehow a right way or a wrong way to
be a human and to know yourself and to know
God or spirit whatever you want to call it. And
so to me, like the bigger question is not like
what is this person's authority or their background, but it's
like is what they're saying true for me? Because I
think that different things can be true for different people
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and still hold validity. I think you can be a
completely conscious, wide awake person and never use psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, I also think they're a great tool.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I think you can be a completely conscious awakened person
and be a Christian and read the Bible.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I also think that you don't need to do that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I also think that you can find love and light
in your own I mean, you know what I mean.
I think people of every religion, every dogma, every practice,
every it's like, you know, some people are meat eaters
and some people are vegetarians, and you know what, like
we're all biologically different. So maybe there's a different right
way for different people and that we have to find
that ourselves, you know. And so as like an intuitive coach,
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kind of like the broader overarching thing I do, I
have psychedelics Like within it's really about guiding people back
to listening to the small, still voice within themselves, because
that is the voice of truth, that's the voice that
you can trust.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
We're just not taught about that voice.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
You know, we're not even really taught that it exists
or that it's a real thing, but it absolutely is
because that is that part of you that when you
see something and it resonates and you're like, that's truth,
Like that is that voice. And so really, as an
intuitive coach, that's what I try to do is like
hone people's ability to connect with and stay in connection
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with that voice, because then even when they do get
triggered and they see something that is against what they
believe or that is not right for them, they can
take it in with compassion and empathy and be like, Okay,
this person's walking a different path than me, and this
is the conclusion they've come to, and they're probably speaking
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about it for a certain reason, and what they've decided
is right for them doesn't have to make me feel
right or wrong about myself unless I let it. And
that I think is true power. I mean, I really do.
I think that is true power. Is being able to say,
you know, what what's right for you might not be
right for me, and that's okay because I have enough
trust and knowledge in myself that it doesn't matter what
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you think. I know what's good for me. I know
what's right for me. I know what I need to
do to take care of myself, and that's what I'm
going to do. And I feel like, you know, that's
what the world needs, rather than all of this like
constantly looking to these battling authorities of who is like
the right you know, the right person about whatever topic
(29:28):
it happens to be. You know, obviously in like facts matter,
but so much of the human experience isn't about facts.
It's about how we feel. It's about how we experience
the world. It's about what gives us satisfaction and fulfillment
and joy, and treating that aspect of human life the
same way as we treat like, you know, just the
(29:49):
information we have about the world around us, I think
is like a huge disservice to people.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, no, I agree, I think you're right. It makes sense,
you know, I think that's what people are really looking for.
But I feel like a lot of times they go
with the sheep like mentality just because everybody else is
doing it, now I want to go do it too,
or what is it fomo the fear of missing out
because they're like, oh god, I'm gonna miss out on
this instead of really focusing on, Hey, does this really
make sense to me? Or is this something I really like,
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really in tune with. You know, so many people just
like to sit there and complain about shit, and just
like it's so easy to swipe on though, think about it,
so easy just to pass over it.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Okay, well this isn't for me, swipe on? What do
you do? You skip it? Okay? Cool, that's a great
thing about technology. You know, you can just pass over it.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
If it's not something for you, Okay, then tell it's
not for you, you know, don't sit there and keep
watching it because everyone else is watching it. It's always
like that scenario, like as a car crash, you want
to look away, but you can't, but you choose not to.
It's like, you know, like just just do the direct opposite,
you know, be the person for change. Really think about it,
you know, kind of like do your own thing. And
you know so many times you feel call that like, oh,
(30:50):
you're a hippie for.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Doing your own thing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
But I think they had it right though. If you
think about it though, think about it like they were
more free spirited, they were more natural and causes of things.
They kind of just did whatever the flow in the
flow kind of did their own thing, and it's like
people looked at them differently. But now it's like, wait
a minute, maybe they were right about some things. You know,
maybe maybe some of those things they were saying was true,
you know what I mean. And I think, you know,
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it just kind of depends what you get into. Like
you know this even with spirituality. It's just like it's
so fascinating the things that you could just learn just
by just going on a journey of self discovery, you know.
And I explore all all things, you know, I've been doing.
I did an episode where they we did my birch,
you know, because I really love astrology, so that was
fun to do. We are actually gonna explore human design
(31:33):
is actually coming up soon too. That's another one we're
gonna do and things like that because I'm like, it's
it's going to be so cool because it's just like
I'm going to experience it for myself and other people
get to watch it so they're not so scared of
what it is. And you know, there's a couple other
things I have planned too, like like different sessions with
other people that do different things in certain areas, you know,
just to get people a feel for what it is.
And then you know, one one person I were talking
(31:54):
about it and she beat me to the punch. She's like,
we should do an episode where we do a session
and you know, we'll do a session with you, but
people can watch you doing it. I'm like, yeah, why not,
let's go for it. I'm down for it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
What what do I have to lose at this point,
you know what I mean? Like what I may learn something,
it may not be for me. Okay, well it's not
for me, then that's cool too, because I also I
had somebody saying that too. They're like, well, you know,
if you don't like this, don't even negative review. I'm like,
but I'd rather be honest with people if I didn't
if it wasn't for me, I'll tell you it wasn't
for me. I'm not gonna hate on what you're doing,
you know. And I'm like, I'm trying to think what
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it was though. It was like some really deep process,
and she was like, I can't think of the name
is now on the top of my head, but she
was something quantum, something I can't remember what it's like
a quantum healing session, like they go deep into your
psychological deep, you know, deep in your psyche kind of thing.
And I was like, oh, that'd be so cool, but
you know, I hadn't. I haven't done it yet because
there's a lot of requirements for that, but I haven't
(32:47):
done it yet. But it's a plan to do that
too as well, you know, things like that. And there's
a couple other people that are gonna be like the askit.
I keep messing the name of this thing with record
reading the consci records. I can never get that word
right no matter how many times I say. But yeah,
we're gonna do something like that too. That's another plan
for something else, you know. And you know I found
out though, like when I touched on a little bit
of human design, I find I'm a man generator. So
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the fact that I'm trying to do twenty thousand niggs
at once may sound complex to people, but people that
get it understand that me as a man generator. That's
what I do, you know. And then when I started
studying my birth chart, it was like, well, my Ari's
moon is coming through, and people were just looking at
me like, what the hell does that mean that you're
about to find out. Don't worry, hang on, you know,
like it's It was so fascinating to learn that, like,
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you know, public speaking was in my chart because it
was like the ten thousand things. I had a lot
of activity in the tenthousand with like spirituality, public speaking,
and a few other things in there. Was just like
I had a lot of activity in the tenth house
for one of reason is where everything was just going on.
But it was so interesting because the woman that was
doing it had no idea anything about me prior to
this conversation. She knew who I was a little bit
(33:49):
because the woman with the spiritual with spirit is actually
somebody she worked close with. The two of them had
actually linked up, and that's how I realized that two
of them knew each other. And she's like, yeah, you know,
we were talking the phone last night. I told about
your podcast and she said, oh, yeah, I've been on
the show and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Too, and I was just laughing. I'm like, oh yeah,
I get that a lot lately.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
You know a lot of people have either heard of
my show, or somebody's mentioned my name to them, or
I mentioned my name, or my name's mentioned to them
kind of thing, you know, and it's it's so fascinating though,
but I liked I like being in an open book
for people to see just like how these things go
and you know, so it's kind of fun because at
the same time people can see that, hey listen, you
don't have to be too worried about it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
This is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
You never know what you're going to find out about
yourself as you go in things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Too, So it is I mean, that's what it comes
down to.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Is there so many different systems, like over human history
that have evolved to help us make sense of ourselves,
like you know, from a very psychological perspective, from these
like archetypes that like exist within all of us. You know.
I don't know if you are familiar at all with
like Carl Jung or his work.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I remember love it's like astrology, human design, Tero.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Tarot's interesting and oracle cards are very interesting too.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I've had that, Yeah, and they're similar to astrology and
that they're this like archetypal mandala that helps us, you know,
understand the way like the energies weave together in the
world and how everything is.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, there's nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
It's kind of it's all the same story over and
over again, repeating right, and even in our own lives,
Like we're all affected by the same energies, the same passions,
the same you know, we're human like that, we all
are afflicted or gifted with the same you know, gods
that move us, you know what I mean, whether it's
hatred or joy, or love or jealousy. You know, it's
(35:40):
like these things are all within us, and there's so
many different systems, and I think there's so much confusion
about them and fear, like what you said, because again
people clinging on to this idea of oh, well, my
system's more right than yours. This is the definitive way
of looking at things. And it's like it doesn't have
to be that way. We can keep what works for
(36:02):
ourselves and leave the rest. If terror aristrology don't work
for you, then like, don't pay attention to them, you
know what I mean, because there's plenty of other ways
of getting to know yourself that might work better for you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's just and I think that's like the joy of the.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Personal growth, journey, of the spiritual awakening, journey of this
journey of curiosity is that there's so many different paths
that I believe lead to the same source. And I
also think that that's why, you know, historically it's been
so dangerous. It is because in the interest of order
and control, it's just easier if everyone thinks the same thing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
But not it's that sheeap like mentality. If we all
believe the.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Same thing, you know, and then you're like Aristotle, you know, hey,
wait a minute, everything doesn't evolve around the earth that
it involves around the sun.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
You're like, oh no, oh, you're wrong, You're wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Because you have this outside idea of what they have
all thought, you know, for all this time, and you know,
and it's it is. It's just funny though, because it's like,
you know, you get these people that are so easily
influenced to go follow these crazy ideas that they come
up with, and then it's like one person the next person,
you know, and things like that. It's just like do
you don't listen to yourself sometimes, like honestly, like what
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you're saying, like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Do you really believe this?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know? And some people are just like you get
they give you that vibe like they're like they're just
going with the flow because they don't want to go
against the grain because they're afraid that you know, they'll leave,
they'll lose something in the end of it, like the
friends won't be there. But you know, really, if you
think about the energy principle, like if they're not staying there,
obviously they don't like the energy you're putting out and
you don't like the energy they're giving off, and it's
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just natural what happens. You'll attract the people you want
around you. I think a lot of more people are
having that more sense of adventure now and they're like, oh,
you know, let's go, let's go for it, versus you know,
sticking with the old world mentality of oh no, we
need to do this, you need to go to school,
you need to go to that. All these are things
that we've been constantly told all the lives that we
need to do or else we'll be wrong, or the
world to come in because you're not doing this. It's
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like a lot of people are going in the grain
and now they're being they try to ostracize them because
they're like, oh, well, you know, I don't like they
don't want to work, or they want to do this,
or you know, whatever e Ski should come up with.
It's all the same thing. You know, you're basically in line,
you're basically mad because they're the they're the one that
the other other thought process versus everybody else.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Welly, I mean, and like I said, I mean, I
experienced that myself in twenty twenty of feeling like totally like,
oh my gosh, am I a bad person because I
don't believe like what I'm supposed to believe or I'm
not on this side of this political viewpoint or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And it is it's like it's disheartening.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
And you know, when you grow up in a society
where you're like rewarded for being good and following the rules,
and then all of a sudden you're like, yeah, but
I don't think these rules are like the right rules.
It's it is scary, and you know, I did lose
friends over it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I did.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
You know people still that I was like very close to,
and like our relationship has never been the same because
they just saw me as a bad person for what
I believed. And or maybe not a bad person, but
ignorant somehow or uncaring or I mean, there's all these
different things but at the end of the day, it's
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because we've been indoctrinated in these systems of like I said,
order and control that I think ultimately like work on
like shame, and no human likes to feel ashamed or guilty.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No human wants to be the bad guy, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
And so when your friend tells you you're inhumane or
you don't care, you're not thinking about this, right, it
like triggers that response in us of like shame, of like,
oh no, maybe I am a bad person. And shame
is such a dangerous place to be because that is
where a lot of people, rather than feel that feeling
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and working through it and coming to establish themselves within
like their own sense of what is right and wrong,
would rather just not deal with it. And so they're
gonna toe whatever line they need to toe, whether they
really believe it or not. And then you mix that
in with like influence and power and money and all
these other things. It's like, of course there's people that
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are just going along with it, and they probably don't
believe half the things are saying, but they have a
great life and they're living in the material world, and
that's what they're gonna do because that's just the game
that we're playing here on this earth. And I mean,
you can't even really hold that against someone. You know,
that's just where their consciousness is at and the role
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they've chosen to play or been born to play.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
And so it's me.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
It really does come back to like finding that sense
of self where you know right from wrong and you
can feel that even if someone is pointing a finger
at you, that you can be like, I know I'm
a good person. I know my heart is pure, I
know that I'm coming at this for my reasons, even
(41:01):
if these other people don't understand them, I understand myself
and being able to like let shame roll off your back,
you know what I mean, because shame is so unhealthy.
And I think that guilt and shame at their root
are like underneath a lot of depression and anxiety and addiction.
It's like us this voice in our head that's constantly like,
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you should be doing this, You shouldn't have said that.
The way you talk to this person that was bad.
What are they going to think of you? Oh, I
didn't show up to work today or I'm late. And
now it's like this inner dialogue that's just constantly like shame, shame, shame,
shaming us, And it's like, where does that come from?
That's not natural, that's like how we've been bred as humans.
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I feel is that that voice is the voice of God.
And I'm like, that's not the voice of God. That
voice constantly telling you that you suck is not the
voice of God.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
I can tell you that right now. A lot of
times it's it's it's the negative self talk. And I
did a whole episode of that with somebody. We were
we were discovering that, and she had a background neuroscience,
and it was very interesting to find out. She said
that recently they discovered there's a part of your brain
where that a lot of that talk would come from though,
and it actually generates from there. And it was we
(42:17):
wented this hour long conversation and it was just so
fascinating because like, you didn't feel at any point in
this conversation with her that you were lost because she
kept it. So they kept the lingo enough that you
knew what was going on. And it's really good explaining things,
so you know, but it was it was interesting. So
I always tell you that though I'm like, oh, we
don't do that negative self talk here, you know, anytime
(42:38):
maybe starts trying to like do that kind of like
harping on themselves kind of things. So it's like I'm
my harshest critic, Like I get on my own ass
about a lot of things, Like I get on myself
and that thought start going like that, and my anxiety
takes it and goes, Okay, let's go over drive time,
so we're going a thousand miles an hour instead, you know,
And it's it's funny when you know people that don't
get it, they try to tell you to like, oh,
you just.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Need to relax and used to calm down.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's like, yeah, I wish, really, that's what it's like.
It's like, you know, if you took a car battery,
it's just jumped somebody. Yeah, that's what you're trying to stop.
It's just not working right now.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
You're not you're not.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Whatever you're saying to me is not getting through. I
hope you writing this to you, you know. Or they
come in and they get too excited and then they
start getting you more exciting and they're like, you know,
I'm feeding off your energy currently as I'm having a
freak out or something, you know, like, are you start
having like a pang attack if you'll come here home?
You just need to calm down. And it's like, no,
please stop talking. You just want to tell him you
shut up, but you can't because it's your boss or
(43:30):
somebody else. Because I've had a I've had a freak
out stshoe as that worked before, and my boss kept
buck coming up to me and she just started ramping
up even more and just kept saying things, and I'm
just like, I just wish you'd go the fuck away, honestly,
please leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But you can't tell that to your boss. You're like
you're thinking of this and you're like, m yeah, you know.
And it's it's so funny though.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's because one of the other guys that worked with
he understood what was going on, and he was just
standing there.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
We'll just standing and watching it. He just going completely
nuts and he's just like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
All right, you know, it's okay, you're good, and he's
just so soft and melo by. She kept coming back
and trying to feel the fire more and it's just like, yeah,
he's like, yeah, I wish you'd go way too.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know, but people some people get it and some
people don't get it. But you know, you can. You
can see though.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
And it's a generational thing too, if you think about it,
because a lot of the old generation was always taught
you know that, oh you're just gott to suck it
up or whatever all these other things. Right now, this
newer generation is more in tuned a little bit more,
And I think that's what scares a lot of them,
is the fact that a lot of them are more
they're going against that grain of that mentality through a
pre program with the well you can't you can't have feelings,
(44:31):
or you can't talk about your issues and things like that. No, no, no,
you know, the whole defining roles, all that shit. We
can get into for another hour at least. But craft,
you know what I'm saying, It's just like it's so
crazy though.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Programming.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
It's all programming to keep us like bringing it back
to like you know what you said about my bio
like of like it's consciousness, you know what I mean,
And like that's the thing is like that's what I
think can can help anyone start, Like really just being
aware is like you're at this level of awareness where
like you can be in this interaction with your boss
(45:06):
and like see it for what it is where she's.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mm hmmm Jesus yeah god, no, right, no,
I agree, I agree hundred percentage there. I love the
Encyclopedia reference for all the younger kids who don't know
what those are.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Those were books where we had to use. We didn't
have the Internet.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Okay, that shit didn't exist, bro, we had what was
like AOL was our first first Internet experience, like you
know those chat rooms and all other shits. You know,
it's like, oh god, it was that you got mail
was all of the big thing. You always heard it
say that you got mail, and you're all excited about it,
you know, but yeah, you know it's I think it's
like you said, there's good and there's bad with it
(45:44):
when it comes with all the information at your fingertips.
For the little goud, please stop webmding your symptoms. You
don't have cancer unless you actually go see a doctor
that could tell you that.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I got to tell you that Wikipedia isn't real. It's
just factual for most of the things on there. I mean,
I could go for this for hours on this thing,
you know, but it's it's like, what was that being said?
We're getting ready to start wrapping up, though, Chelsea have
two questions for you. I ask all my guests the
same questions. Okay, so the first one is credit to
a good friend of mine. She has a podcast that's
called The Shit that goes On in Her Heads. Okay,
(46:12):
So the question is to you, is that if your
mental health had a song, what would that song be?
If your mental health had a song, what would that
song be. That's a very good question from a lot
of people. A lot of people were like, damn, that's
really good. I'm like, this is fun to hear the
answers to this. There you go, yeah, see, you know,
we've had it. We have a lot interesting once. It's
so interesting because people all that's what they go to.
They're like, I'm gonna go with the first thing that
popped in my head.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm like, go for it.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You just want to give into it because it's so
interesting to hear people's responses to things. You know, we've had.
We've had a forty nine year old Middle Eastern woman
tell me beat It by Michael Jackson was her mental
health song. I damn near died when she said I
was like, I was like, get a girl, come on, now,
let's go. So there's another question I ask everybody, and
the whole reason this podcast exists is if you could
(46:54):
break the stigma about mental health. I mean, anything you
hear out there that you're just like, you don't stop.
I'm gonna come to this computer and hit the slap
button on you. What would it be exactly?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
And with that being said, guys are gonna wrap up
this episode of Pete for Sonxiety. Chelsea, thanks so much
for being here. But did you want to plug where
everybody can find you? Your Facebook, website, anything you got
that you think that's the best way for them to
confind you. And with that being said, guys, we're gonna
wrap up this episode of Pete for Sonxiety. You guys
don't wanna find me. I'm Pete for Sonxiety and X
all the way down to TikTok, I'm on Spotify all
the way down a heart Radio. And I was always
(47:25):
say it costs nothing, actually doesn't be kind to somebody.
One kind act you could do because save s's life
or hell, you can make their day. I'm Pete for anxiety,
signing off saying don't ask how your day is today,
say hey, how's your about the help Today?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I got my tegrity and my word. What the die
that didn't work?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Don't have to.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Don't think that w
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