"Healing Through Meditation: A Journey of Resilience"

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello, Welcome into the exciting give sut of Pete for anxiety.
My guest today is a somadic and nervous system specialist
and the founder of Lift oneselfs, also the host of
the Lift one sel podcast and one the only net NAT.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
How you doing today, Well, Pete, I'm well and thank
you so much for having me. I'm looking forward to
this conversation and where it's going to go. So let's
have some fun and let's play.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
With that being said, why don't you tell me a
little bit more about yourself, net Neat, so everybody can
know a little bit more about Lift oneself and all
that great stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Sure, so, lift oneself was established in nineteen yet that
came from me having lesions in my brain in two
thousand and I'm told that I was going to die
within three to six months. Yeah, and I was in
the hospital for almost forty days and was released without
a diagnosis.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
So without a diagnosis means there's no plan.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And a year later, I discovered transcendental meditation so many
people call it TM. And I also must you know,
let the people know that I was a solo parent
to twin boys at the time, so when I was
in the hospital. They were four. When I learned meditation,
it was five. And what meditation allowed was for me

(01:34):
to go into my body and understand my nervous system
more and release those emotional charges that were created in trauma.
And you know, when you learn meditation, they tell you
to cultivate a quiet space in your house so that
you can meditate twice a.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Day for twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
As like solo parent to twin boys that are five,
that's not happening. So what I did was I brought
meditation to the couch and when they were fighting, when
they were arguing, TV was loud. I could see within
myself of that nervous system wanting to interject to that
nervous system, wanting to yell, that nervous system, wanting things

(02:12):
to be quiet, that nervous system trying to figure everything
out and make sense of things. And even you know,
when you start meditating, your hearing becomes even more supersonic,
so then you're hearing things outside and you're curious about that.
And therefore it allowed me more ability to better understand
my biology and why I was so reactive with things,

(02:33):
and to start creating safety within myself. And that my
nervous system didn't have to be on hypervigilance and trying
to find threats all the time, and that I could
unleash my curiosity and go into you know, the unknown
and what's possible. Yet, when we're always in survival mode,
we don't even know what that means. We don't even

(02:54):
know what rest means. So because I had death on
my door, I was very engaged with meditation. Yet there
was a lot of stuff that came up. And I
remember with my instructor, I said to her, I was like,
I totally understand why people quit meditation, Like all this
stuff that's coming up in my body.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I want to deal with this shit, like this is
a lot that's going on.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yet, like I said, death was on my door, so
I had nowhere else to go, And so I went
inward and I had those crying fits and those yelling fits,
and those just numbing and trying to recalibrate and really
be with myself and feel these authentic emotions that were
coming up, and finally holding a space to process, witness

(03:37):
and listen to myself and that little girl that was
not able to be seen and witnessed and kept safe.
So all of that transpired and my body came back
online because I was told for a prognosis if I
did live, i'd be in a wheelchair. I wouldn't be
able to dance, or drive or all these different things.
And so, like I said, because of this experience, it

(04:00):
gave me profound wisdom and lived experience and information. So
while meditating, that's where I got the call to create
the business lift oneself. And lift oneself is lifting the ego,
which is our protective mechanisms, are of our defense mechanism,
and going into the oneself. And that's you know, if

(04:21):
you call it universe, God, a law, whatever you want
to say for your creator of life force, that you
can be in that and that there's a language and
a guidance that this world cannot give you. And so
it's being able to trust yourself and listening to those
signals and those gentle tugs and that intuition within. And
since then I've been assisting people to go within theirselves,

(04:45):
understand their nervous system, understand their uniqueness, and reframe it
as protection, not that it's an inconvenience or there's something
wrong with you. It's okay. Well, where is there no safety.
Where is it that you weren't able to have a
space to process? And that's why I created the podcast
in twenty twenty one, also to put myself out there

(05:06):
more because there's a little bit of imposter syndrome that
comes up in my nervous system. So the podcast allows
me to engage with that and go a little bit
more and engage with the fear and engage with the
protective parts of my nervous system while giving information to
others that they don't have to be alone. Because my

(05:27):
whole thing that I want to do is create the
space of community and belongings so people don't feel alone.
And also that there's resources and different modalities around the
world that you can access. There's not just a one
size fits all, So what's finding out what works for you,
and also removing this stigma around mental health that we're

(05:48):
human and can we start having conversations of how we
can navigate when we're being dumped with a lot of
chemicals and being dumped with emotions and being in environments
that don't allow us to flourish.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I just have to say, after you just told your story,
holy fuck is all I can say. Wow, that is
a story beyond stories I've ever heard Nana. God damn girl,
let me tell you what. Wow. Second of all, you're right,
you know, wrong about it at all. I feel like,
you know, there is a big sting about mental health,
and you know, the problem I think is that people
are scared to talk about their emotions, you know, and

(06:23):
it's like when they feel those emotions, they start freaking
out and they don't know what to do with those emotions,
and then they start getting all like flustered, and then
it's oh god this and then it's all, oh, you know,
and it's it's funny when you start talking to people
because you ask them that question, you know, Like I
like to ask people, Hey, how's your mental health? And
the response is they look at you like you've just

(06:43):
asked them some kind of question or ask them to
commit murder of some sort. They're like, what do you mean,
what are you talking about? I'm like, I'm asking how
you're doing? Like, you know, I could ask you how
you're doing all day and you say okay to me.
But if I ask you that question, now you have
to think about what I actually said to You can't
do that pre programmed. Oh well, I'm okay or I'm
doing fine, and it makes people think about what their

(07:04):
what their next response is going to be. So but
I love it though. I love the fact that you know,
you didn't let somebody tell you you can't do something.
You know you you're obviously sitting there talking to the
groom reaper at some point because I don't know how
you explain what the hell just happened? That was? That
was wow, especially with twin boys because I had twin
girls and I was like, man, she sounded like, damn,
all right, We're okay. I got you there. I know

(07:26):
about the twins, you know, and and it's it's true.
I love the fact that you're just meditating amongst chaos.
You're like, Okay, well you know, there's all this great
stuff going on around me. I'm just gonna meditate. It's
all right, Okay, guys, don't worry about me over. I
love it. I really do. I really do. So when
you started the podcast in twenty twenty one, what was
everyone's response to it though? Where people kind of like, Okay, Dode,

(07:47):
we let people know what your story is. Though, I mean,
did your family members know because a lot of times,
you know a lot of people they don't really get
a lot of support from their families or they got
that you know, it's that sentence as you know, like
they were giving you. They're just kind of like they're
treating you differently. Did that happen to you?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
When I went through my healing journey from twenty fourteen
to twenty nineteen, there were a lot of relationships that
I had that kind of you know, I see it
as a port that people are docks with their boats
on your you know docking. Yet some of them drifted off,
and it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong, it's just
that there's space and they didn't understand what I was

(08:26):
going through it. There was also some you know, solitude
in isolation within myself and for some it felt like
woo woo stuff because a lot of people don't want
to talk about their mental health or really understand their
nervous system. So when I did the podcast, you know,
a lot of people didn't understand it. They were like,
I don't really get what you're doing. I don't really

(08:47):
get what this is until I had some of my
friends as guests, and then they were like, oh, now
I get it, and keep continuing on keep going what
you're doing because it's needed.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
The funny thing is, I'll another part where I have
lived experience. I got this calling to do the podcast, so,
knowing nothing about podcasting, you're a fellow podcaster, so you
know there's some things that you got.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
To learn and something.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Softwares and equipments and all this kind of stuff. And
after my fourth i think third or fourth interview that
I had did, I completely ruptured my alease and so yeah,
so I was ridden in bed and had to do
interviews from my bed with my leg elevated and trying
to deal with my sense of perfectionism that this isn't

(09:34):
how you conduct podcasts with people and videos and all that,
while you know, asking some questions and living in the
mess of it, you know, of I had constructed something
and it wasn't there, and not quitting. There were many
times because podcasting is a very lonely space. You don't
get a lot of feedback all the time, and you're

(09:54):
doing things and you're wondering is it landing with people?
And sometimes you record something today and it's not till
you're later that people start, you know, listening to it
and really understanding because when you're a visionary, not everybody
understands what your vision is. It's later on that they're like, Okay,
I get it. And so I had to rehabilitate myself

(10:14):
of learning how to walk while also doing this podcast
and going through a steep hill.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
So I'm very proud of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'm very proud of the resilience that I went through
with that and also with this podcast. I was helping
my friend for eighteen months for her cancer battle and
she was given three months to live, yet with me
and the assistance to me, she lived for eighteen months.
And you know, going through that is its own significant challenges,

(10:44):
and going to treatment and watching somebody's body, you know,
start to unravel and start to lose its life force
and everything, and being with them in hospice and holding
them until their last breath. So this podcast has brought
me into a lot of intimacy to have some very
profound conversations and so the support some people had it,

(11:05):
yet other people they may not. What I'm focused on
are the ones that are supporting me, because one is
a million.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
No, I agree one hundred percent. When I started doing mine,
a lot of people I knew I didn't. I didn't
have many people on a first I knew I had
a bunch of people set up reready. Well, when the
idea of this thing started, I posted what the idea was,
and I could not tell you. The response I had
was insane. I look back, I had like fifty or
sixty responses in a day or two of just people interested.
I was like, well, damn, I must have something here. Okay,

(11:34):
let's explore this topic a little bit. And as I
go I did invite some other people on. I've had
musicians on and things like that. Random people I just
started messing. I'm like, hey, listen, I got this podcast,
you know, And some of them I had no idea,
would say yes. Like there's a girl that had twenty
thousand followers on TikTok know on Instagram. She saw my
comment and said yes. It turns out that she actually

(11:55):
has BEP, which was really interesting because she was a
big mouth the Halls Advocate too. When I found out is,
I started inter We were talking for a bit and
I was just so shell shocked and surreal. I'm like, well,
this is only like I'm only twenty two episodes into
this thing and already I got somebody with this massive following,
five hundred plus thousand downloads on a song. You know,
all these different things that you know early on I
suffered from all I suffer form a lot, imposter cinema times.

(12:15):
I don't realize how much effect I have on other people,
you know, a year later, two hundred plus interviews or
I don't even remember. I lost count after a while. Honestly,
I just enjoyed that clicking record and going for it.
You know, so many people had listened to this show,
and it affected so many other people. I did not realize. Like,
there's a guy mentor Jay. He runs a podcast called

(12:37):
Rock and Recovery. He did an episode with another girl
I had met who does addiction. Everybody's addicted, Jasmine. The
two of them sent me a message and they said, oh,
happy birthday that I did a birthday video collage. Basically,
so everyone's setting in different things, and you didn't realize
how many people you've reached just by that alone. And
they're just saying all these very nice things about me,
and I'm just like, I'm so surreal, Like, oh my god,

(12:58):
they're talking about me. Hold on, you know, it's like
it's happened before. Though. It turned out that one persons
on my show that had I been on someone else's show.
They were like, oh, yeah, do you know about Pete
forus Anxiety? And I'm just like, oh wait, hold on,
well they're talking about me. Hold up, you know, but you, like,
you don't understand. All I'm doing is having a conversation
with different people, and I take on every conversation possible.

(13:18):
They go, he turned on like four different topics, but
it was only because they kind of blurred the lines
a little too much. I'm like, yeah, you know, but
I wasn't sure how many people are actually listening to
this thing. But you like, you hear my name come
up more and more and more now, and it's it's
so surreal because people are just like, oh, well, you know,
have you met Pete versus Anxiety before? You know? He's
great guys doing these things, and it's like, you don't
realize how much effect you have until these people start

(13:40):
giving you that feedback, like you were saying, you'll get
a lot of feedback from people, you know. And the
only thing I went off from the beginning was my
wife and told me, She's like, if you're going to
get into this space, you need to be authentic. I'm
just going to tell you right now, you need to
be authentic. And she was my harshest critic though, but
she was right though. She's like, you have to be
genuine because if not, people are going to see through
that and go, oh this is bull crap. They don't care.

(14:01):
And you know, so, like you see, the early on
interviews are kind of rough, and then later on, as
it goes, I start getting into more interesting topics and
every time you hit click, it's so much easier because
then you get more reps of you know, doing it.
So anybody that's younger that was doing podcasts, I have
two people actually a mentor and you know, Day was
one of them. And there's another girl named Wanda. It's
like she says, like, oh, you were so excited always

(14:23):
You're anxiety was kick coupleways before an interview. I'm like, yeah,
because you don't know how the conversation is going to go,
you hit click. And I've had no problem though. I
think like ever since I've started doing this, I don't
think I've ever had anybody have an issue. I think
there's like one time it was a tough conversation. But
you know, it's just you run into those type of
people that do better in an interview setting versus what
I'm doing having a conversation about things, you know. But

(14:43):
it's been so cool. I couldn't even tell you. I've
had more number one podcasters come on my show and
be guys, and it was just so surreal because it's like,
these people said yes to come on, and I'm just like,
oh god, you know. And then one of my top
five guests actually came on a few weeks ago, doctor Jen.
I keep missing for last name, but she runs a
podcast called Shrink with a Mic, and she's a BBD

(15:05):
expert and I've been watching her video since day one,
and I asked her one time. I was like, hey,
doctor Jen, would you be in my podcast? And she
said yes, out of thirty thousand people in this tiktokx group.
She's just looking at it and like, it's so surreal
when people say yes. But everybody's like, oh, well, how
do you get people on your show? I'm like, I
just asked him, man, I was like, I just shoot
the shot man, Like you never know, tee, ask somebody,
you know. But it's been great though, like I've had

(15:27):
other people watch you come up to me and say, hey, listen,
appreciate what you're doing. And it feels so good because
it's like, at the same time, I'm kind of clear.
I'm like, I'm having this conversation, but you know, more
people approach me about more things. They're like, hey, listen,
I know you do this kind of thing, so I
feel like I could talk to you about this kind
of subject. And these are close people I know. And
one girl was like, yeah, I watch all your podcasts
all the time and things like that. I'm just like, okay, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And I appreciate that your wife held up truth to you,
because once you're in your truth and you're with yourself,
it can't be used against you, Whereas when you aren't
being yourself and people hold that up against you, you
can crumble in that because it's not truth. Yeah, when
you are standing in your truth, it's like, use it
against me, Like, you can't change my story, and I'm

(16:10):
okay in my story. So and that's what the world
is aching for. It's not looking for performance. It's looking
for the raw part, so that you can give me
permission to be human. You can be give me permission
to make the mistakes, to just be as I am
and learn and you know, develop and everything else. So

(16:31):
kudos on you that you listen to that call and
that you listen to your wife that is your biggest
cheerleader and your biggest coach of wanting to see you succeed.
So she knew what was in you and what the
potential was and just being able to redirect you of
trusting yourself and seeing yourself in a different way.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, and I agree. Yeah, like I said, she was,
she was serious because I told her I was going
to do because it's like I had another podcast. I
was messing around some friends. We were score around a
bunch of things, trying different things, and you know, it
just didn't work out. It was okay because it's like,
you know what, it was just the first taste it
because I've always said I want to do a podcast.
I started it, and then you realize how much work
goes into it, and you're like, so you're trying to

(17:09):
get these other people on board, and it's just like, yeah,
co hosts don't work out for me. So she said.
The other thing she did tell me is like, if
you start this show. You have to be solo. You
can't have anybody else. There's none of that nonsense. It's
strictly just you, that's it. I said, Okay, cool, fine,
I could work on those parameters. That works for me,
you know. And then I started inviting people on other
friends and people I met through different areas and things

(17:30):
like that. You and the conversations got really interesting quick
because and you find out the stories of other people's stories,
and then you find out, you know, how much alike
you are with a lot of people, you know, and
things like that, and you know, we've had some crazy moments.
So I had a guy talking about suicide idiation and
he was just like scaring the hell out of people.
And then it was like, oh listen, we got we
touched a nerve on this and okay, I like this.

(17:51):
You know. Then we got into narcissism. Oh girl, let
me tell you people are like I go ahead to
turn off the episode fifteen minutes in because I had
to take a break because it was just so close
to the conversation, like, and it was just me and
one of the person comparing stories, you know, and things
like that too, and it was it was so interesting
to see people's reaction to certain subjects, you know, and
then then you start hearing people like oh yeah, watch
and then my family members are watching it too, and

(18:12):
I'm like, okay, which is weird because me and my
brother we don't really have like a talking, talking relationship sometimes.
But like one day he hit me up and he's like, hey, listen,
we got to refresh your logo. So my original logo
was sentimental to me because it was a picture I
saw my wife and me just goofing around. I used that,
and then I evolved into what he is now. He's
actually the one that sent it to me and goes, hey, listen,
we gotta refresh your logo. We'll send you something. Okay,

(18:34):
this check this out. I was like, all right, I
love this thing, you know, and then all of a
sudden he's like, well, I'm gonna send you a bunch
of other stuff. So the screen behind me is actually
donated to him. I usually have it set up, but
I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna run with it
at this point, you know, and I'll use it when
I need it too, and things like that too. But like,
ever since I started this thing, I've got to be
a part of a Holocaust survivor panel next month. Actually,
I'm doing it. I got invited to a summit to

(18:55):
chop it up with some big wigs of like Good
Morning America Today and a bunch of other places like
things I never would have gotten to do if I
never started this podcast, you know. And it's so many
different shows have been on, have done a lot of
different interviews with different people you know, and things like
that too, and I love it every time because it
gets easier to tell your own story to people you know,
and then people start learning more about you. Because at
first it was like, well, who the hell's pete Man?

(19:17):
Like everybody asked me that question. I think the one
person that asked me right away was a woman that
runs a podcast called Humanity We Know, but Veneza the
Vivacious She came on this and I were talking about
her original project are You Happy. She's like, you know,
we were around asking people You're happy? And then we
recorded it and I was like, okay, yeah. So at
the end of the interview, she's like, well, we didn't
talk much about you. I'm like, it's not about me,
It's about you. This's the whole point of the show is,

(19:38):
we're highlighting what you're doing, you know. And then she
got me thinking, she's like, well what about Pete. I'm like, yeah,
you know, that's a good question, what about Pete. So
then I started doing a bunch of interviews and things
like that too, and it got so much easier to
start sharing little bits of things, and you know, and
it just a little by a little more. The story
just started coming out. People are just like, holy fuck.
You know. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, you find a
lot of things, you know, because like I tell people

(19:59):
when my mom and band was ten, and then it
got easier to release a little bit extra the stuff
that was going on, you know. And I did one
with a guy named flat tyre Andy where he was
asking some deep questions and I was like, all right,
let's go for it. Man. He's like he's like, here's
the questions. What do you think? Are you ready for this?
I'm like, yeah, let's let's fuck it. Let's go for
the why not. And it's probably the most vulnerable interview
I've done to date. But it felt so good to

(20:20):
get a lot of the other things off the table,
you know, and a lot of things that people don't
know about me and things like that too, So it
was so easy to start talking about a little bit more,
you know, and little by little, and it was great
because I think that was the hardest part a versus
talking about my own story, like I shared little bits
of it that was it, you know, and things like
that too. But now it's because people kept asking that question,
like who's Pete, Who's Pete? Who's Pete? What about you, Pete?

(20:42):
We don't hear nothing about you. I'm like, yeah, you know,
you know, eventually I'll write my memoir I've been talking about,
you know, those twenty thousand different things I do because
I'm a man generator, so I have to have fifty
million projects. Sing it once. But it's just fun, like
I said, like I've done, I've done my birch chart.
I'm gonna talk but we're gonna do the Chinese satolgical
charts and things like that too as well. We're going
to talk about human design. We're going to touch about

(21:03):
other things like I'm gonna do live sessions of people
doing different they're different practices with me, and we're going
to talk about it and people are going to experience
what it's like to actually go through these things that way,
people are not scared of it and they know, okay, well,
like I'll be the guinea pig for you guys all day.
You know, let's go. You know, so we're going to
do a session with my guests from yesterday. She she
invited me to doing two. She was thinking the same
thing that was, She's like, hey, let's record an episode

(21:25):
and let's let's show people what a sessions Like. I'm like,
let's go for it. Whatnot? You know, rightly at this point,
I'm already out in the public spotlight. Let's let's see
what other can things we can mix up?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
And that vulnerability and transparency that's what sells because it's
not made up and it doesn't have to be you know,
given a script or anything like that. It's exactly the
raw truth that people are seeking for and they're they're
hungry for.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I agree, I agree, you know, people want want to
know more and things like that. You And it's really
cool because when they start doing these things, people were like, oh, yeah,
I watched that episode we did this, or I watched it,
so we were doing that. I was like, I was
like yeah, Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Actually,
you know, I think I think only two times I've
ever cried in this podcast, and one was with Tiff
Carson and she was telling this story. Oh my god, girl,
I could not even tell you. I was dying over

(22:11):
on the other side of think. I was trying not
to ball my eyes up because this story was so
rough when she was talking about, you know, and I
was just like, I was like, gir we're gonna cry together.
We're gonna do together. Girl. Well, I was just like
I was busted out over there. I was like, oh shit,
I was choking up and everything. But it was so
interesting because, you know, I had I started getting an
energy healing, and I started realizing that I'm very what

(22:34):
is it, I'm an EmPATH. I'm a very big EmPATH,
so like you know, things like that too, So a
lot of that stuff gets really interesting, you know. And
then I'm energy sensitive, so like I start to notice
these things I couldn't explain at first, and then it
got more interesting because I kept touching on it with
different people, you know, we kept hitting little marks of it.
So it was interesting because where the show starts to
where it is now It's like it's been an evolution
to me because I started learning more about myself as

(22:56):
I go to and each person I talked to, there's
there's different things we take away, different things they teach
you as you go, and different things to try, and
you know, things like that. So I like, I could
never tell a year ago I'd be doing pride to
work and all these other things that you know, I
would ever even have an idea with even half those
things were until I met some of these people. I've
taught me these different things. So it's been great, you know,
doing this, all these kind of interviews. So I try
to take on as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah, I can see that, and you know, we benefit
from that the more that you go within yourself and
you're able to be comfortable in your own story and
do the alchemy of taking those impurities and turning them
into gold.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yet not just keeping it for yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
You're sharing it with the world and anybody that's willing
to listen. Then they can see that there's a pathway
within themselves that they can be curious and see, Oh
can I frame this differently? Can I relate to myself differently?
Can I feel this story, because many of us are
really disassociated from our personal story because we didn't have

(23:52):
a space to process and make sense of what our
experience was or feel these big emotions. Many times, when
you know, you know a lot of children when they
were sensitive and were emoting a lot, they were told
to feel something different or that it's annoying. Never was
it like, well, let me ask you what are you
actually feeling, what are you experiencing, so that you could

(24:12):
have a space to process and understand physiologically what's going
on in your body. Because our mind always wants to
make meaning, and if it's going to make meaning of
protecting you, it's going to create a script that separates.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
You from your body. So there is some disassociation.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And you know, kudos on you for having the courage
to go inward. You know, you said a very big word.
And I'm very mindful that words are very strong. They're
either empowering or they're very harmful. So the word abandonment
that ripples to so many people because it touches a lot,
some to the very core and some just to feeling something.

(24:52):
And for you to openly say what you went through
as a ten year old, that's a significant wound that
just somebody hearing that, it's like, whoa, there's a lot
of stuff that this person has had to navigate through.
The terrain that they had to go through is one that,
if you're willing to listen, is a very fascinating one.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
And so I really want to commend you in the.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Courage of healing out loud, of being the kind of
lighthouse for others so that they can have acceptance for
them and not the mass.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
And the persona that the world tells you you need
to be.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
That you can actually you know, take all your parts
in and be with it, be with the messy and
integrate all of that.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah. No, I agree hundred percent. And you know it's
it's you know, like I said, it created a safe
space here, which is great because that's what a lot
of people mentioned to If you ever asked them about me,
they're like, yoh, yeah, you know, he doesn't judge anybody.
So one person told me, I said, yeah, am I
going to judge you? I invite you to come here
to talk about your story. Like, I'm ready at this point,
like two hundred episodes in this thing, I'm ready for

(25:57):
any kind of subject at this point, you know, like
I've heard crazy stories from some of these people, you know,
and it's it's just like wow, like you know, and
when you get start getting into these stories, you start
meeting these really cool people and then you know, you
make new friends out of it too, you know, and
things like that too. So it's so nice. It's so
nice when other people. I meet other people and you know,
the things that they're telling me, and then they're all

(26:17):
telling you about you. Oh yeah, you know. And then
when you get mentioned like in podcasts and things, it's
like it's so surreal because then you're like, hold up,
well a minute, they're talking about me, Man, hold on
a second. He know, shit, you know. It's it's so
interesting though, because you when I, like I said, I
shared very little, but I think with flat Tyranny and
I just started hitting it off and we just start
talking about things, you know, And I've I told a

(26:39):
lot of things on that episode that I don't tell
anybody really because it's hard, you know, because I fucked up,
I know, I did, you know. Admitting that is the
hardest part. I think It's like I have that problem
where I can't admit I'm wrong, and it really just
kind of screwses me sometimes, you know, and things like
that too. You know, it's ever since it started to show,
it's just a little by little, it's been kind of

(26:59):
like a releasing a little bit of myself and like
coming to terms with what it is. But then I
start learning new things, like you said, for everybody to
start talking to and you know, get to meet all
these really cool people and more successful people I am.
You know, it's not even like I'm envious of them,
because it's great because they took the time to come
to see me. You know, I'm very honored anybody that
comes on the show, shares a story, comes to spend
some time with me. It's it's great because it's like

(27:21):
it's a new person you engage with, another person, you
add to your your kind of your network, source of
people that you could reach out to if you have questions.
So it's so nice with all the different people I had,
you know, And then when I did that video for
the one year my anniversary, it really just hit home
because it's like, damn, dude, all these people I had
an influence on, all these other people, and it's like
you don't realize it when you start this podcast. You know,

(27:43):
you don't know who's listening out there. You know, you
could look at it all day, you don't really you
hear some things back, he hear them from people, but
you know, like it's so great to hear people when
they mention your name. And I suffer from imposter syndrome too, though,
because it's a lot of times it's like I can't
accept how successful I am not realizing that Almoine doing
is having a conversation, but that conversation is so powerful

(28:04):
that other people are like, oh no, whoa hold on.
This guy is saying something, you know. And in the beginning,
it was like I was telling people what I was doing,
and it was hard to mention my podcast at first.
Now I talk to everybody about it. In fact, I
think my wife gets a little upset when I mentioned
the all the time that people because people always ask
me what I'm doing, and I mentioned something about a podcast,
like I'm looking at something and we're all hanging out

(28:26):
together or playing a game online or whatever, so we're
in the same check group and everybody's asking questions and
she gets annoyed after a little bit about it. It's
just like, really, do we have to really talk about
this right now. I'm like, you know, and there's there's
a younger guy I play with. He he's like in
his twenties. He was like, oh, are you on Apple podcasts? Yeah,
well I've been listening to some of your stuff, and
I was like, hey, well all right, oh oh okay,

(28:46):
that's awesome. You know, somebody that young is starting to
listen to it. And it's great because you know, we're
educating him though on having this conversation, because I feel
like we don't talk about enough as younger kids. You know,
these younger guys you start talking about guys, girls, whatever.
You all need to start talking about these things earlier,
because if we start the conversation now, we can have
a better feature for a lot of them because they'll
understand what these mental issues are and they won't go

(29:08):
through the same things a lot of the other ones,
you know, with prammit pills on my throat. And I'm like, hmm,
but it's not how it does it though, I mean
I get where they're scared. At the same time, it's
like I like to explore other opportunities for things for
people because I'm like, you know, hey, listen just because
that doesn't work for you. How about my friend, you
know nat nat here is doing something, or you know
my friend over here is you know, all you different

(29:29):
people are doing different things. I can highlight what you
guys are doing, and then I could send people your way,
like hey, listen, this sounds like something that you know
this person and then reach out and you know, just
mention my name, doory, they got you and things. It
feels so great when you can do that for people
and people are like, oh, yeah, you know. And Jay
was like that too. He's reached out a lot of
guests and he's like, yeah, I mention your name. They
said yeah right away. I was like, sorry, man, I

(29:50):
don't tell you like I'm just like, you know, I'm
good at it. I'm good at connecting people. So everybody
calls me the master network or two and my little
podcasting circle I'm in and they're all like, yeah, you know,
you're the master networker because I connected all these people
together in this same group have all had a conversation
together at some point and it was all because of me,
and it's so great. It's is just like you know,

(30:12):
it's like wow, and it's great. Like technology wise, I've
already been a tech ice, so a lot of this
stuff kind of like I figured out pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah yeah, come second nature, so you have the exposure
to it. So it's and then the different things coming
back to, you know, where people say about the therapy,
you know, it's a valid thing because especially in North America,
it's like you talk about your mental health and there's
a consequence and then all of a sudden you are

(30:40):
labeled with things or there's stigmas that are placed on
you and we have to call out, you know, the
big pharma. Big pharma you know benefits off of people
with mental health and being able to just give them
medication and some of it is a tool that some
people need. Yet it's not something that is always had

(31:00):
to be taken for a lifetime. And a lot of
them are realizing, like at an older age, like oh
my body and I can't take this anymore. And I
didn't develop the skills to better understand my inner world
and understand my nervous system or.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
The ability to say no to people too, like like
you can say no, like I think I see looking toos,
A lot of people aren't empowered enough to say no, no,
I don't want to take that, or like, don't do
the research, you know, like a lot of people do now,
and it's always oh, they're outspoken or something. No, they're
just advocating for what they want. They don't want this
weird drug you're trying to give them because all these
side effects that add X, Y and Z to things.

(31:35):
Because if you listen to some of these commercials, it's
all these flashing colors, all these great things. But then
when that low voice comes in, well, some side effects
you may have, and it just starts listing things off,
and you're like, wait, aren't you supposed to be solving
some of these problems, you know, because then big problems
like oh no, we could throw these in there too,
that'll solve the problem too. But but you're adding more
problems to my issue. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, and a bigger price tag because this medication is
going to counteract this medication and that medication, and then
all of a sudden, you're on. Like when I go
into the pharmacy and when I see things, I'm like,
my question is how many people are on medication? My
question is how many aren't even simple advil and tail
and all, how many need to how many people need

(32:15):
to take that for their everyday just to be able
to function in their environment and the pressures of their responsibility.
So these are the big conversations that we have to
better understand, like where are we going in the direction
of a society and how are we supporting us as humans?
Because if you know, technology was here to help serve

(32:35):
and facilitate life, yet a lot of people are becoming
very addicted to it and it's starting to impact their
mental health significantly out and then when they're not on it,
it's exactly like a fiend because they're not getting the
chemical release, and there's a beast in us that comes

(32:56):
out because it doesn't like what it's feeling, and so
that reptilitian brain in the front, it's like, WHOA, I
don't like what this and nobody's given me the skills
to go through what I'm feeling because I'm not getting
this nice feeling and sensation.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, I love how you say. You know, the
whole technology I think is you know a lot of
it's for the fomo if you're missing out and things
like that too, and it entices you, and that's their plan.
You know, so like I am plugged, which I like.
Some days, I'll just turn off my phone and I
even answer any messages whatsoever. And I have to do
that sometimes because it's an addiction. Like you just said,
you don't I think if you think addiction is just drugs, no, no, listen, listen,

(33:34):
there's tons of other addictions. Video game addictions, addicted, your phone,
TikTok work addictions, all these things are all addictions. So like,
let's not just give it a label. Well, they're just
drug users. This, No, there's so much more out there.
Please stop.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
You're trying to soothe pain that too, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And then it's the the just line of crap that
people just start putting out, and it's like, you know,
nobody checks the sources of what these people are saying.
And I think that's the biggest issue these days is
these young kids see these other people doing things. It's
like we're programming our youth to believe all these false narratives,
and then we wonder why they they don't succeed in

(34:10):
certain things because you're giving them the wrong information, Like,
how about give them what they need to succeed, not
the crap they don't need. Limit their screen times for
some of this stuff too, Like, you know, YouTube's great,
but be careful what they're watching on YouTube because you
don't know what they're doing. How they can't even play
roadblocks these days without somebody trying to do something creepy,
you know, and things like that too, and it's just like,
oh god, it's like stop.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Please look at social media. Like I had a big thing.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I had no idea that my child was on TikTok
because most social media you needed to do a sign in.
But when TikTok was introduced, it was open to anybody
and they could have exposure to it and anybody could
download it.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
You didn't need a sign in.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
So I was like, how am I banning this thing
off of here when you don't even need a sign
into this?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
And let's go to last week.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
We are being so desensitized that people are being a
sad and it's showing up in all of the feats
and there's nobody being able to filter that out, and
so there's remnants and now people are making jokes out
of it. We have become so desensitized by violence that
we don't even know how to feel and process this

(35:16):
stuff because it's like it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, I agree, I think that the video and then
the video surface, it's like that's somebody's parent right there.
And that's what upset me the most. It's like you're
all just putting this crap on there so people can
see what happened. It's like, you can clearly tell what happened.
You don't need a complete visual sceneing up there. And
you're like, there, what if his kids see that? Like
that's their dad. You're sitting there putting out like that

(35:40):
and making a joke and a mockery of it. And
then these people get mad when they get fired because
I'm like, I don't think a lot of people realize
when you sign up for a job, you might want
to read some of these policies, these social media policy
for a lot of these companies. People don't read. And
then they're like, well, I don't know why I got fired.
Well did you read that policy? Because it says if
you start posting crazy things, you are still technically a

(36:01):
representative of this company. If they know where you work
and they know where to establish you with, it's not good.
They're not going to be a part of it. They
don't want anything to do with that. And I think
a lot of people don't realize that and they don't
read that crap. You know, a lot of people don't
read that. You know, we get all these things you
go through. Okay, I'm his job. Now, Oh these rules,
I gotta readings. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no. You
might want to start reading those rules because those social
media policies are what trip you up, and that's what's

(36:22):
getting a lot of these people fired because they're making
these videos making fun of this guy's death. And I'm
just like, no, no, you may not agree with whatever
he said, that's cool, but don't sit there and just start,
you know, talking about him that somebody's parent. For love
of God, come on, now'll stop it. You know, you
may not agree with everything he said, but the fact
is I like the fact that he at least made

(36:44):
you feel heard. He gave you a chance to talk,
He lets you say your piece, and he listened to
what you're saying. You may not agree with everything he says,
what you don't read with everybody everything says, you know,
but still don't make fun of this man's dad. You know,
understand that that he was doing is he's reaching out
to the younger people and trying to make sure they
understand what's going on and things like that too. Now,
you may not agree with everybody says, you know, social

(37:05):
media is just like it's just I have a he
love hate relationship. It's great at times and other times
it's like, oh God, who gave you a phone and
let you get on the internet? Please stop, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
And it's well, we also have to look at mainstream news,
you know. I mentioned this. I was like, Okay, I
haven't seen the video. I'm thankful it hasn't shown up
on any of my social media yet. My fifteen year
old was like, oh did you see the video? I
was like, how the heck did you see it? He's like,
it showed up on my FYP and I'm like, my gosh.

(37:36):
I'm like, you don't even realize like what you're intaking.
And then it's like recognizing how addicted are we to
being on these social medias? How much are they impacting
our identity and our thought processes?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Like how many of us.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
We don't even know how to not be with our
phone that we have to thumb Like were getting rid
of a little hit and stuff because it is a
real thing. Like the reason why they want you to
do the ads and all that is because they want
everybody's attention. Yet when I said about the assassination, I
was like, but wait a minute, CNN was showing nine
to eleven and people jumping out of the building, and

(38:15):
our hearts were like dropping watching that. But that was
published twenty four to seven, running all the time, so
that trauma dumping started in that time. Before then, we
wouldn't really see too much of violence, like we'd hear
about it and stuff like that, yet we wouldn't really
see it. But I think with nine to eleven and

(38:36):
CNN broadcasting it all over, that just opened up the
door that journalism was in a different manner and that
everybody was going to really be addicted to voyeurism, because
that's what social media really is, is like voyeurism and
being able to peek into people's diaries and personal thoughts
and everything else.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. Yeah. And then a
lot of those people put in fake fronts and it's like,
you know, they put in these little performances and then
after the scene goes way, if something gets released that
they said something else you're like, oh God, they're saying
these things. It's like, okay, well a lot of these
people on the camera are playing a character. They're not
being a real person. But when you go in the
back scene and see what they're really doing, and it's like,

(39:17):
oh god, not him or not joejus Sewall or are
these other people you know, whatever person you want to label,
it's you know, oh god, I can't believe they would
never do that, you know, or what is it the
Sean Dinny Combs thing where they found out all those
things that all these viewos started coming out and they're, no,
he would never do that. Really, well, then explain these
stories to me because like this and then by one,
I think the biggest one was the nineties the Nickelodeon

(39:39):
whe where they were talking about you know, all that
other crazy stuff going on, and I was just like,
oh Jesus, no, Like you watch all these shows as kids,
and you didn't think about it because you didn't think
about what's going on, because you know, we didn't know
we were kids, we didn't know what's going on. I
remember nine to eleven happened. I was in high school,
think it was a sophomore yeah, the sophomore was a
senior in high school when it happened, and I remember
they freaking out, and then they turned the TV monitors

(40:01):
on and you saw when the first plane aren't already
hit and the second one was still circling around, and
then when it hit two. It was like we didn't
know what we were looking at, you know, and we
you know, And when it came to COVID too, all
the numbers with COVID came out, all the debts and
stuff just got you so upset because you're just looking
at all these numbers and they just keep feeding all
these numbers. All it is if you're dying this and that.

(40:22):
It's like nobody knew anything about this though, Like I
think that's what we lost subject and lost sight of.
It was like we didn't know anything about COVID. Nobody
knew anything, you know, and every plane's you know, the
President's time always he didn't know anything either. He's not
a metal ex but he doesn't know. He's trying to
do what he can. At this point, you know, this
poor guy is trying to figure everything out, and you
want to blame him. It's like what else did you
want him to do. He doesn't know what, he doesn't

(40:43):
know anything. He's trying to do what he can with
the resources he has, you know, and it's just he
became a blame game. And then the whole thing with
Fox News came up. They were suing Fox News for
saying false rhetoric and things like that, and it's just like,
oh God, the news went from you know, just being
the news to let's see who can who can upset
people more?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, and you know, if we look, hindsight is always
twenty twenty. Those that were speaking out during COVID were
considered conspiracy theorists and they aren't medically you know, informed,
and they're doing harm and damage. Now it's like, oh,
maybe these guys did have some insight, and you did
know some stuff, and you didn't listen to the propaganda

(41:20):
of the news trying to because news, when you're in fear,
they have your attention because you're looking for safety. Give
me the answers that are going to make me feel safe.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Many people didn't even do.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, many people didn't even know what a vaccine was.
They thought, oh, it's going to make it that I
don't ever get COVID.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And it's like No, that's not what vaccines do.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's being able to give your your DNA and your
immune system the recipes so that when it comes in,
it's not running havoc where it's like you can adapt
to it. That's why they wanted, you know, the croudsourcing
and people catching it. Yet they couldn't do that. They
couldn't do the hurting because the medical systems could not

(41:59):
support the people well because many people already had significant
illnesses and COVID just ramped it up even more. And
so that's why we had so many deaths and everything else,
because there was so much co morbidities that were happening.
That there were silent illnesses that people weren't taken care of, hypertension,
diabetes that many people had no idea that they were

(42:19):
having because they weren't listening to the cues of their body.
They were just go, go go get that dollar. I
don't have time where now you catch something and bodies
like I can't do anymore. So these are like the
conversations to have about this. Yet unfortunately with institutes and
everything else, there becomes this heavy hand of anybody.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
That's going to explain something.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
No, and big farmer had its big hand down it,
Like where are the COVID shots now that are so
mandatory that we couldn't go to work and couldn't fly
and do anything unless you had it. And then they're
going to say that everybody was going to get access
to this. Then when it came out, it was like,
oh no, this country can't get it, that country can't
get it. These guys can get the expired ones. And
it's like I thought, all this scientists came together to

(43:02):
help humanity, not create this little capitalism and stuff. So
it's you know, being able to have conversations. And I
think what's lacking and which we need to develop as
a skill, especially with the younger generation, is critical thinking
and listening.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Many people aren't listening.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
They're just like, this is what you're saying, this is
what my answer is going to be, rather than really
intake the information of what somebody's saying and taking a pause,
letting yourself digest it and then coming back with some
critical thinking.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree. I think that people
are too reactive. You know, now we live in a
I want it now society, so like everything is so fast,
we can get everything so quick you know, we could
we nd everything. Please God stop doing that. You know,
you know, according to web and D have got cancer. Okay,
well that's there's a lot more process to that than
you think. Calmed down here before you start freaking out,

(43:53):
you know, the whole web m D thing. And I
was like, oh God, please stop, you know, because my my,
my kid's mom was like that. She was like, oh
everything was everything is strap throat to her. Everything started.
I'm like, how could everything be streped throat? Dude? Like,
what is your obsession with strap throat? Like they're constantly sick.
I like their kids, They're gonna get sick. They got
to build immune system. I love the doctor we had, though,
and I wish I can remember what her name was, though.

(44:14):
Amazing woman was always like telling her, no, like, just
let their bodies react, let them get them their ante
bodies build up and things like that. Stop trying to
medicate everything so their bodies can't handle it on their own.
And I love the fact that she was like that.
She was like, no, no, you're fine, you know, just
let them just little sit you know, let them let
them fight it off, like their bodies, give them masks,
give them the fluids and stuff. They don't need these

(44:35):
medications because she's quick to medicate everything. And I was like,
I was like, do we really need to be here
for this? And the doctor's like, no, we don't need
to be here. She's just like the only person doctor
I know that would come up to me and say, yeah,
I don't think so, No, I don't know. I'm not
going to prescribe something for you. Just let their bodies
handle it themselves, you know. And you know, we don't
get those many people anymore now. Now it's just like
everybody's everything.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, oh my knee hurts, here's here's medication for it.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Here's my medication.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Like the body cannot give its own self healing and
that you can give it some space and time and
to come back to the parenting role. The one thing
that they don't tell us is the most challenging thing
is to witness the pain in your children and not
be able to do anything about it. So if there's
a way to control that sensation of feeling helpless, you're

(45:22):
going to medicate because you don't have the skill to
be able to witness the helplessness and the pain of
your child not taken into consideration. Their body has to
know how to adapt and navigate in this world. And
the same way that you can be in the pain,
they can also they can trust their biology. But the
fear of losing and the fear of witnessing pain, we're

(45:43):
not taught like there's we are taught in every kind
of way to avoid pain. Where look at where our
society has become.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Now they don't even know.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Think about it though, now say that though, I think
about it because a lot of these new generation are
more in tune to their emotions, and people are like, well,
they're just oversensitive. They're getting may they're capping into that
thing that we don't like to talk about our emotions.
We're scared to talk about our emotions. These guys aren't.
But then we label them as, oh, they're just all reactive,
and no, maybe they're starting to get to figure it out.

(46:12):
They're figuring out that they need to be more tuned
their emotions and you know, and it's the thing that
we the older generation don't want to talk about, so
we just label them as, you know, oh, they're just
really dramatic or they're really sensitive, and it's like, no,
maybe they're right. So they're the ones that don't want
to tolerate the things that they're dealing with now, and
we see it as being rebellious, So we see it
as them being you know, hey, we don't they're just

(46:33):
over sense if they can't have them, they just don't
want to work. It's it's not that, it's just they're
not going to settle for crap anymore.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
And you know, they're disruptors. They're changing where the planet.
Like you'll say, you know the school systems will will
take for instance, we all know it's archaic, we all
know it needs a whole new draft, we all know
that it needs innovation. Yeah, it's still the same old thing.
And we're telling the children just stick it out. That's
what you need to do to get into the workforce

(47:01):
and everything else. And then we're wondering, well, why is
their behavior, why is their breakdown?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Why is there not motivation.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
We're stating that there's an issue with our education system,
but we're telling our children that they just have to
stick it out and survive and not expect that it's
going to start breaking out in the seams. That they're
not going to just be conformed into thinking that they
have to you know, be somebody other than who they are,

(47:28):
and to take authority. That it's the end all where
it's like, no, I'm going to challenge authority because that's
what we don't want. The older generation they knew, yes sir, no, sir,
I am going to be seen and not heard. Where
these children are like I'm a human being, Like I'm
not just this role of a child.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I am a human being.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I have thoughts, I have feelings, and many of them
are communicating it. Back in the older generation, there were
only a few and they were called you know, disruptors
or degenerates or there were troublemakers where or the class
clown where now.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You know, I was at the thinking the breakfast club.
Remember the one guy there was always the rebel, and
he was always loud with the principle all the time.
Like that's that's that generation. That's that's who they're representing. Now,
that's there was a representative right there, because that's what
he was doing. He was the disruptor. He's always seen
as the one guy that was just always a pain
in the ass. But he was always loud and always
spoke for himself, and you know, and things like that, too,

(48:24):
and I think that's the that with now we got
to remember now they have social media now, so now
they can get their message out further because now they
have a voice where they heard like somebody's listening, Like
there's some of these people out there putting stuff out there.
People are listening to it, and that's what it is.
And you know, as for us before, we didn't have
all that lot of this stuff Ember because I think
the almost we had was American AOL and then you

(48:45):
had MSN if anything. You know, when you start really
stretching it, you're going to MSN and the chat rooms
and things like that too. Now it's like you got Facebook,
you got Instagram, you got Snapchat, you got all these
different ways of these people to connect. And it's like,
you know, they're getting all this information she's thrown at
them so fast. It's like that's the thing is like
now they're seeing what it is that is really going on.

(49:05):
And you know, we we give them such a hard time,
but at the same time, we don't give enough credit
because they're being individuals, because they're not trying to be
programmed anymore. They don't want to be told, well, you know,
I have to be quiet and just just be there,
you know, in that whole sense of well you need
to follow this or you know, or else you need
to go to college, and you know, college make sure
you got a better job. Not always. I went to

(49:27):
college and I didn't do shit with the degree I had.
It was a waste of time for me. Yeah, it's
in my wife. She never finished high school. She's got
a job too, she gets paid more than most people
get paid. You know, I think that we they all
want to say education, education, but what are we educating
them for? Because here in Texas they have this star testing.
I don't even get it. It's like their only focal point,

(49:48):
Like like what the hell is that? It's like, what
are we not teaching them basic economics and things like
that they could use later on, or teaching them a
career like some of the high schools around me now
they have these programs so they'll teach them like nursing
and you know, dentistry and all these other things, like
these career focused paths. At least give them something so
then they get out they have some fighting chance. When
they get out, they can have a job. But they

(50:08):
want to be in these areas or they want to
do auto mechanics, you know, they could teach them all
that kind of stuff. There's all these great places around
here where I'm at that I love the fact that
they have like the different yougo get training up the street,
go get auto mechanics. Train There's welding schools right there.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
The high school itself has you know, medical and dental stuff,
you know, things like these things are people that we
need out there, you know, And I think that's the
problem with our education system is that we need to
focus on, you know, training them to help them better
succeed in life, instead of just teaching the crap they
don't need, like, you know, that's all these great classes,
you know, all these other great classes. Okay, cool, let
those be little fun electives they can do extra, but

(50:42):
let's have them have a core set of skills so
they can actually make it through in the world. You know,
because I met a person who is a little bit
older I am couldn't even run a cash register, you know,
and I'm having to teach them how to count money
and things like that too, which you know, these are
basic essentials that we should have been learning instead of
all this other craft.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
And you know, the one thing that you want to
do with children is expose them to a lot of
different things because they don't know what their innate skill is.
And once you get, all of a sudden get exposure,
how many people are like, oh, I didn't know podcasting
would bring the best out of me.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Like you just saw that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I didn't even realize the impact of my voice and
my energy and what I represent other people. All of
a sudden they pick up a camera and it's like, oh,
I didn't know I could capture people this way. I've
always just been doing that, And I think when children
are young, it's exposing them to a lot of different
things to see what that interests is to see Because
we all know the jobs that we do, many people

(51:39):
don't love what they do. They're just doing it because
of safety and security. Yet if you could love your
job and also get paid, Wow, what a society we
would be in. So would be people so disgruntled and
angry and rushing and everything else because they're going with
flow and they're enjoying. And just because you love your job,
it doesn't mean that there's not challenge. Just it doesn't

(52:00):
mean that you're not facing things. It's just that you
have an opening to want to find those solutions, not
just be dragged on of like oh my gosh, here's
another one and everything else. So better understanding, exposed, give
exposure to these children.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, you know. Or burning people out. People are really
burnt out these days. And my favorite thing is that
a lot of people will email you, Oh, it's mental
health Awareness month. Okay, that's cool, So what are you
doing for your people? Then? Oh, we offer four free
sessions or something that. Why not offer full time like
mental health care for a lot of these people, because
you don't know what they're dealing with. You know. Me
and my coworker had a conversation in the morning. She's like,
everybody has something going on at home, but they got

(52:38):
to leave it at the door. That's that's great and all,
but sometimes you can't. It overflows into your work space,
you know, and it's hard, you know. And she was
the prime example because she was like, yeah, I got
so overwhelmed in begetting my divorce. I came in one
day and I remember the day she came in. She
was so upset. She's like, yeah, I just can't do
this and just clocked out. And left and like nobody

(52:58):
asked any questions. I was When I asked a questions,
I was like, oh is she okay? Like what's wrong? Oh, well,
she's dealing with these you know. Okay, let me send
our message. Hey listen, you know, if you anything, let
me know. You know, I was the first one. I'm
always the first person to try and reach out and
bridge that gap, you know, things for people, because it's like,
you know, when it comes to at the end of
the day, everybody has shit going on, but nobody, like
everybody gets so like so worried about themselves. It's like

(53:20):
we forget to how to be human other people. It's like,
just be nice to people. Like everybody's going through something,
just that just send them kind words to them. Hey listen,
I'll hope you're doing okay. You know everything da da
da da. You know, things like that and all that
kind of stuff, you know, and even even happy birthdays.
I send out happy birthdays to my boss and stuff
like that too, and things like that, and I try
to remember to do, you know, just it's just those
little things that matter to people. It's like, oh, hey,

(53:42):
you didn't say anything to me of my birthday. I
didn't add that in her, you know, but it's not
about me. I don't care my own birthday. It's like,
you know, I'm just I'm just happy to be here,
you know what I'm doing. I love what I'm doing.
I love doing this podcast, you know, I love preaching
so many people. And you know, then now after this
is a real moment of you know, how many people
you've reached and how much in what you have on
other people, you know, and then you start telling stories

(54:02):
about how they interactive with you. And you know, Jay
was telling a story about He's like, yeah, you know,
he's pushing me to do a podcast. I'm like, first
off suptelling lines. It wasn't like I'm hurt everwhere I
don't know, I mean, out of side's monetized from the beginning.
I don't know. I'm just playing around things. I found
something that worked. I have no clue. A lot of
people are always fascinated about how I like, how are
you so far ahead of the curb? I don't know.
It just kind of went for it, man, I just

(54:23):
asked me, how do you get these great people? Just
talk to him? You know what I mean. It's like,
you know, so many people are so scared of just
being rejected, and it's like it's okay, it's okay, you know.
And then the sight I was using now how we met,
you know, it's like, at first it was like the
rejection was hard, and I was like, I used to
take a personal Now I'm just like, you know whatever,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Care anymore exactly he used to.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You know, rejection, that's a big emotion to be able
to engage with. And if you've experienced a lot of trauma,
that brings up a lot of dysregulation. And you know,
as you said while we were talking, feeling wrong and
going through that accountability and being a to accept certain
things that you did. And I think, you know the

(55:04):
framework because when we hear wrong, we're ostracized and we're
looked at as a negative aspect. Where I want to
reframe that, Well, we did something that we know was
quote unquote wrong, Yet what was it serving. There was
something that was fearful or something that was hijacking, that

(55:26):
was trying to protect.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And I think if we.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Use the framework of what was the protection, it doesn't
you know, give you absolution that there's not consequences or
you know, everything is kumbaya. It's being able to better
understand we're all human and we're doing the best of
our ability. But in this world, especially because of the
legal system, if we can just brand somebody wrong, then

(55:51):
they can go into a certain establishment. And we have to,
you know, especially in America, we have to really understand
that the legal system is another business because they get
money off of that, and we have to really have
these conversations of what punishment looks like and what we
do to ourselves and beraate ourselves and everything else. But

(56:12):
that rejection, it feels like a real significant pain. And
as we said, addiction isn't only drugs and alcohol, in
sex or gambling. If we're feeling the pain and rejection,
we can all of a sudden overeat, or we can
do Amazon shopping, or we can play video games, or
we can do workaholic to try to get a sense

(56:33):
of worth and validation rather than hold our space for
ourselves to process that, Yeah, this sucks. It feels pretty awful,
but there's nothing I have to do about it. That's
the thing. We think that we have to do something
about our feelings. We don't know how to just let
them pass through because you know, science lets us know
it's a ninety second chemical dumb Yet, when you're in

(56:55):
anger or if you're feeling deep sadness, don't feel like
no ninety seconds. Each second feels like take an hour
and everything else, and you're hitting these highs a tsunamis
and it's like ten seconds and it's.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Like, I get not yell.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
The inside of my mouth is going to be bleeding
if I have to where it's like, okay, well, what
are the tools to validate and meet these emotions? Listen
to them, have conversations of being able to process.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, no, exactly. I want to touch back on what
you said about, you know, the whole feeling like you know,
when you get mad or whatever, you know, someone always
kind of feel like you're being singled out. It's the
same thing when it comes to like suicide and stuff
like that too. I feel like that's the same thing too.
It's like when you find out somebody had had those
thoughts or tempted something. I feel like we make them

(57:41):
feel like they're just a different person all of a sudden,
and we treat them differently, like oh no, we got
a kid club them because they may upset them and
it's like, how about let's not do that, how about
let's ask them, you know, hey, you know, like you know,
maybe understand the process of why they feel like that.
Ask them, you know, hey, listen, why do you feel
that way? Is there something we can do? You know?
For all you know, it's maybe something you could help them,

(58:03):
you know, help them feel like they're being seen or
they're being heard, you know, those those things that people
don't want to ask those kind of questions because when
that conversation comes up, you know, a lot of people panic.
It's like, shit, oh no, this person's talk about kill themselves.
Oh God, I gotta freak out. Don't don't freak out,
like like, listen to them. They're talking to you, like
this person's calling to talk to you about something. You know.
Don't make them feel singled out and ostracize them and

(58:24):
be like, oh, well, you know, and I can't talk
to you about this or whatever. If you're not comfortable
to conversation, call ninety eight and get them over there.
If it's it's the problem, you know, it's like, don't
leave these people alone. If they're telling you they're having problems,
you know, ask questions. Don't be scared to ask them
about things like don't we afready even ask them, hey, listen,
are you thinking about killing yourself? Because you asking that

(58:45):
question right there could jolt them to be like, oh shit,
am I really thinking about this? Hold on, wait a minute,
is this really what I want? You know? And it's
like then when you find out people have attempted or
something like that, then you start like treating them differently,
you know. And it's the same way. It felt like
when people found out had diabetes. They were like they
I talk to you like you're in a death sentence.
I'm like, hello, I'm a person. I'm still fucking here,
like I'm not dead yet, you know. Don't make me

(59:06):
feel that way, you know, And it's like, oh, you
got diabetes. Oh I'm sorry. I'm like, why do you
say it like that? You look like I'm always the
person Like, why you saying it like that? Wait a minute, holme,
why are you making me feel weird? Like I just
got a death sentence or something like that. It's like,
I'm not dead. I just find I have this thing,
you know. It's like I still have a fighting chance,
you know. Why do you market me for death already?
I don't get it, and it just feels weird, you know.

(59:28):
And you know it's just like I said, the same
thing as suicide idation. People kind of give them that
weird feeling, make them feel real ostracized, you know, like well, okay,
we don't want to say something to Susan because you'll
get upset. You know. No, don't do those things. Please
stop doing that crap to people. It's it's so stupid,
you know, especially in that subject because it's like God
seels crushing Tokyo. They're freaking out. It's like, no, stop it,

(59:49):
don't do that. Or like if I'm freaking out and
have an anxiety attack or I'm panicking like people coming.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
That's yeah, like help me then, help me to calm
down then like just like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Want that from myself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, it's the processing and just to come back because
this is you know, like I said, words can be harmful,
and here in suicidal ideation, there's some people that have
experienced it, some people that have lost loved ones because
of it. So I just want to hold space and
HI in your background, your dog and so in that
you know, if somebody's trying to reach out for help,

(01:00:30):
that was a really big step for them to reveal
that to you. Also, if you don't have the equipped
to feel your own emotions, many people can't handle that.
So if you're not able to then find the resources
and help that can assist this person. If just telling
somebody like we just said, you know, anxiety attack, calm down,

(01:00:51):
well telling the person well, don't freak out, it's like, well,
easier said than done. I don't know what to do
with how big this is. And that's why it's important
to create resources and places so that people can feel seen.
And it's like I may not be equipped to do this,
but I'll still be by your side while we find
the resources for you to be able to navigate through

(01:01:13):
whatever terrain you're going through, whatever darkness you're going through.
And I think we need to normalize the conversations about
suicidal ideation and not just think it's a little secluded,
little population. A lot of humans at certain point in
their life span, they may have glimpsed into that domain.
They may have wanted to quit and just shut everything

(01:01:36):
down and not realizing like that's kind of almost the
same similarity. It's just very overwhelming in a person's psyche
and everything else. So kudos on you for bringing this
and highlighting it more and being a champion that we
can normalize these conversations and not scorn people have better
understanding of taking responsibility of our inner judgments and our

(01:02:01):
inner critics and what we're going through, and even if
we do that, that we can be accountable and say, WHOA,
that was my stuff. I apologize for making you feel
a certain way because I didn't know how to, you know,
process that, And I think that's where we'll develop the
emotional intelligence with everybody. Yet it's gonna it requires space

(01:02:22):
and a lot of people. The one thing that they
want to always say is I don't have time for
that shit. I don't have time for that shit. I
don't have time for that shit. Well, eventually the shit
builds up and you're gonna have to process the shit
one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So if you process.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
It little by little, at least you don't have this
whole pile of manure that you have to process.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Right. Well, Nanette, we're gonna have to start wrapping up
this episode. If you say I've actually loved having you,
I'm definitely gonna have to have you come back. And
we continue more conversation like this because I've really enjoyed
this with you. But before we wrap up, I have
a question for you. If your mental health had a song,
what would that song be?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Hello, Darkness, my old friend.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I love it. That's so fucking great. I love it
so much. That's awesome. Okay. So the other question I ask,
oh my guests, and the reason this podcast exists, is
if you can break the stigma about mental health, anything
you see that just absolutely drives you nuts, what would it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Be that drives me nuts? What drives me nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I think it's the part where we're not allowing people
to feel, to really understand what the feeling and the
processing is. We're just kind of using mindset. You know,
Cognitive behavior therapy helps in a certain way, Yet when
are you connecting into the body and not just always
doing Jedi mind tricks. It's the body needs to be

(01:03:37):
included in this, and the nervous system needs to be
included in this so that there can be processes and
really understand the depths of our emotional intelligence. So I
think in that aspect that I think a lot of
people aren't listened to. They're just all of a sudden
stigmatized or pathologized or given a label, and that's it

(01:03:57):
without really listening to context. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I love it well, Net thank you so much for
being here. If somebody wanted to reach out to you,
where can they find you? I know, obviously the podcast
they can come listen to. Definitely check them out, because
I know I'm gonna go check it out for sure.
I always need something new to add to my list
of many things I'm listening tos. What is you going
to plug? Where people best can find you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
They can find me at liftwheneself dot com. That's l
I F T O n E C l F dot com.
That's my website. They can find me on all the
social media's under lift oneself also that's my handle, And
you know, just reach out and listen to the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Send me an email.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I'm in on the my reels and my tiktoks where
I give you know, nuggets of information to really, you know,
navigate being human. And so I really want to thank
you Pete for what you've cultivated here. And it's been
an honor to be here and share this conversation in
this space. And I'm looking forward to connecting some more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Definitely I agree. And with that being said, guys, we're
gonna wrapp this episode of Pete First Anxiety. You know
where to find me. I'm pee for anxiety. I'm ex
albing on the TikTok. I'm gonna spot if I all
went down on heart Radio. And I was always saying
it costs nothing, absolutely not to be kind to somebody.
One kind act you can do to save your life.
For hell, you can make their day. I'm Pete. PRIs
Anxiety signed off saying, don't ask her your days today,
Say hey, how's your mental health today? Don't don't retract

(01:05:14):
that they're trying to respect it. Then I predect, but
that will die.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Then put the text that got my tegrity in my word,
I wouldn't die. Don't got them learn my respect, don't
have to learn, but that don't think God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
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