March 18, 2025 • 32 mins
After surgery left me with way too much downtime, I turned to my favorite coping mechanism—watching an unreasonable amount of TV. In this episode, I’m diving into the absolute chaos of my recent watchlist, from nostalgic teen dramas to crime shows I never thought I’d be into, and of course, my many thoughts on Squid Game Season 2.I break down my reactions to The O.C. (why did I ever think Seth Cohen was the dream guy?), my surprising new appreciation for Law & Order: SVU, and my frustration with Squid Game's latest cliffhanger. If you love overanalyzing TV as much as I do, or just need some new recommendations, this episode is for you.Listen now and let’s talk TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Mariah Effect Podcast. I'm Mariah
and let's dig in. So I've had quite a bit
of downtime recently.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I had a surgery and so I wasn't really mobile
for quite a while, like a little bit over two
weeks where I wasn't really walking around or doing anything,
and so I spent a lot of time watching TV.
I spent a lot of time reading. And there's a
(01:00):
couple of things that I want to talk about, and
one of one of the major things I want to
talk about is a TV So this episode is all
going to be about TV shows that I've been watching
and how crazy some of them are. Because we're talking
(01:22):
about old TV, we're talking about new TV, relatively old TV,
like all over the place. So that's what we're doing today.
I hope you're excited to hear about my opinions about
random TV shows that probably none of you have seen,
(01:44):
or if you have seen, it was either a long
time ago or you don't care about anymore. This is
a big thing that I do with probably specifically with Mallory,
because she's willing to listen to it most of the time.
She always seems to think that I do it in
(02:07):
a funny way, which I think is very sweet. But
sometimes I really just feel like I'm rambling. But this
is my podcast, and so what better place to ramble
about TV shows that I watch than my podcast? And
I've talked about this on the podcast before, but stories
(02:29):
are just such a big part of my life. I've
read since I was really little. I have devoured novels
in two point five seconds. I will like binge watch
TV shows like nobody else. It's just I think it's
(02:50):
the stories that feel real to me are the ones
that get me well enough, Like if you have a
story that has a character going through some major life
changes or major emotional situation and they feel like a
(03:11):
real person, that's gonna get me, It's gonna get me
so good. Like for a really long time, Harry Potter
was one of my favorite series, and that's because Harry
Potter is pretty much really about Harry Potter. Like I
(03:33):
know that sounds silly because it's named after him, obviously
it's about him, but like it's very much about his
growth and how he gets through his life because so
much of his life is being around adults that either
(03:55):
really don't understand him, and do everything they can to
change about him, or adults that really really really get
him and want to try and help him. And so
much of that has this childlike wonder to it as well,
(04:15):
obviously with the magic and stuff, but it kind of
gives you the feeling when you're reading it as a kid,
of that same feeling, like recognizing there are some people
who are going to be cruel and mean and terrible
and awful, and there's going to be some people that
are going to be there for you. And well, some
(04:38):
of the ideas and some of the notions that go
into Harry Potter are things that I don't necessarily agree
with anymore. I think that it's the character development for me.
And so some of the things I'm going to talk
about today are going to be mostly about that, because
some of them are really ridiculous shows. But just bear
(05:03):
with me. Okay, just bear with me. So, like, is
very hard for me to find shows TV shows that
are like have at least five seasons or so, that
are shows I have never tried to watch before. Like,
it's very hard for me to find those types of shows.
And if there are some out there, I most likely
(05:30):
won't be interested in it like if that makes sense,
which is kind of a silly thing to say, because
there's so many shows there really are, there's so many
TV shows. There's so much out there, but like in reality,
like I spend a lot of time watching TV, and
(05:50):
so if I haven't already seen it, I probably won't
see it. But one of the things that I want
when I was really young, like I probably probably too
young to be watching it, if I'm being honest, wash
the OC. Everybody else out there who saw the OC.
(06:15):
I think it's one of those things that really ignited
the need for watching like teenage dramas, which like there's
so many like The Fosters, Vampire Diaries. I'm trying to
think Sweet Life of the American Teenager, which is a
(06:35):
whole other conversation that we can have another time. Yeah,
shows like that, there are things that I would watch
with my mom. She was always down to watch those things,
and it was just kind of like comforting in a
way to be around like these people that like either
(06:57):
made decisions that you agreed with or made some decisions
that you didn't agree with, and being able to try
and understand those characters, Like I was doing that when
I was like ten, which is not why a lot
of people watch shows like that, Like you you hear me, Like,
(07:18):
I feel like a lot of the times people watch
it for the drama of it all, but in reality,
I'm watching it for the characters, Like I'm watching it
for seeing what decisions they're going to make and why
they're making those decisions, Like I genuinely want to understand them,
like I understand myself, and like, I think that's I
(07:40):
think that's a unique thing. I think a lot of
people watch it for the drama. But anyway, the oc
I remember when I watched it as a kid, Like
I remember big plot lines, of course, but I didn't
really remember like the back and forth of it all.
(08:04):
Like there's so many things that happen that are just
like will they won't they will? They won't? They will
they won't they And that's part of the appeal for
these of these shows for people, especially back in the day,
where they would be like, oh my gosh, are seth
and some are gonna get together this week? Like I
(08:25):
think that's part of the appeal of it, right, But
rewatching it, I find there's so many things in the
show that I am relating to more now as an adult,
which is fun because when I was a kid, there
were so many moments where I was like, yeah, like
(08:47):
I'm totally on these teenagers' side, like why are their
parents being so rude? Why are their parents being so stupid?
And now that I'm fully grown adult, I'm not quite
parent of a teenager age yet, but like I am
(09:09):
old enough to recognize some things in the show that
I'm like, Wow, I was a good kid, like considering
some of the things that these teenagers on this show do,
I was a really good kid. But all of that
to say, like the main character, if you haven't seen
(09:31):
the OC, the main character is this kid Ryan, and
he Ryan Attwood, and he is from kind of like
the like slums of California, which in the show is Chino,
which now that I've also lived in California, it's cool
(09:53):
to know like exactly where they're talking about, like what
they're talking about where they are, but he's from that
area and he he I skipped the first episode because
I think I've seen the first episode like a million times,
so you think I would know it better by now.
But something happens he like is stealing a car for
(10:17):
his brother or something like that. His brother put him
up to it, and his brother is like older, way, way,
way worse than Ryan ever could be. And he gets
caught and hands up in juvie and he has this
lawyer guy who meets with him, talks with him. His
(10:39):
name is Sandy Cohen, and Sandy is this wonderful man.
He's very liberal, like wants to help out those who
can't afford for any other help, and so he sees
something in Ryan that makes him decide to bring Ryan
(11:00):
and home. Like the only way for Ryan to really
not completely get out of it necessarily, but to not
be in juvie is if somebody takes him, like takes
him into custody or something like that. And so Sandy
ends up bringing this kid home, which Sandy has a wife, Kirsten,
(11:23):
and a son, Seth, who's about Ryan's age, and that's
like fifteen, I think maybe sixteen. He brings Ryan home.
His wife is not happy about the situation, considering that
he's brought a delinquent child into their home where they
(11:45):
have another child. And this other child is just the
biggest nerd. The biggest dork doesn't have really any friends,
very loner and him and Ryan end up having like
building a friendship even though they come from such different worlds.
They're so different in so many ways as well, But
(12:07):
like Ryan and Seth end up like really bonding and
becoming really good friends in this first episode alone, and
it gets to a point where, like Seth is willing
to do anything to keep Ryan there. Ryan is kind
of like everybody you know in my life who I
(12:28):
feel like I can trust for one second, they break
that trust immediately, and so it holds this appeal for
you as the audience member, for this kid, this poor
kid who has been through so much and has had
to deal with things that were outside of his control,
you know, Like his mom is a drunk and she
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chooses to be with this guy who's a terrible person
who hits his mom, hits Ryan, his dad is in prison.
Like there's just so many things that were things he
had nothing to do with, but he has to live
with the consequences of those choices, and he has to
kind of like relearn how to be who he really is,
(13:16):
which is not this punk kid who's not this you know,
crime like piece of crap kid, Like he's not he's good.
He's genuinely a good kid, and I think like in
a lot of ways I could relate to him. Like
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I did not grow up with money. I didn't grow
up like in like a super fancy part of town.
There are all sorts of things that were out of
my control that like impacted the way that I felt
I had to be to other people. And like I
think that that's something that I stuck onto really well,
(13:57):
really harsh, really hard for the character. But he like
he really goes through it. There's a lot of things
that happened that I'm like, kid, like, come on, you
know better. Like there's a couple of times where he
like he's like I have to run away and like
(14:19):
nobody's gonna ever love me. And it's just like hard
to relate to that anymore because like it's so obvious
that these people care for him and love him. But like,
if I think about it, like.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I was the same way.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There were so many people in my life that I
pushed away because I didn't trust them for lots of reasons.
But like there were things that I did where I
lied and I like hid who I really was because
I didn't want people to find out and think that
(15:00):
I was nothing special. So I related a lot to
Ryan when I first saw the show and was like ten,
but I also couldn't relate to it a little bit
now of like at least who I used to be.
And it's kind of interesting because he's taken into this
family and his family loves him and cares about him
(15:23):
and would do anything for him by the point that
I'm at and like, I'm literally living in somebody else's
family's home and they treat me like family. Like the
parallels the parallels, you guys, but I it's also interesting
because the show is set in like early two thousands,
(15:48):
which at this point is over twenty years ago, and
it's just wild to see how some of the things
are so relevant to today that they talk about and
some of the things are not so not It's also
(16:09):
interesting to see some of the relationships on there, Like
you're watching and one of the major friendships is between
this girl Summer and this girl Marissa, and I just
don't think that they were really that good of friends,
if I'm being honest. There are plenty of times where like,
(16:31):
like there's one episode where Marissa was attacked by a
guy and she kind of like lies to Summer about
what happened with her shoulder or whatever, and Summer knows
it's a lie. Like Summer clocks that it's a lie.
She's like, what you fell on your collarbone? She says that,
(16:53):
but then is so wrapped up in her own drama,
her own stuff going on, that she just kind of
like dismisses it, which like would never happen between me
and a friend, Like even friends that were not that
great of a friend for me, like in high school.
I feel like they wouldn't have just dismissed it that easily,
(17:14):
especially if they clocked that I was lying. Like I
don't know, maybe maybe I'm also seeing this through like
the lens of like an adult, because there's no adult
friendship that I have that would not push for further details.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But like.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know, I don't know, seems suspicious to be
honest with you. And when I was a kid, I
thought Seth was like the funniest thing ever. And as
an adult, I think, like he has good one liners, sure,
but like he is kind of like really self involved,
(17:51):
like kind of an asshole if I'm being honest. And
even in the show, like there is an episode where
there's where they're at prom and he likes this whole
speech to Summer on stage. He's not the prom king,
but he like gets on stage and tells her that
like he's there for her or whatever, and they kiss
and it's supposed to be this romantic moment. And in
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the background you hear some kids.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Go, he's a tool, he's he's a total loser, and
I'm like, that guy's right. Whoever that is in the
background is so right, Like Seth is is totally not
the good guy for a lot of things that happen,
(18:34):
like he's so self involved. But anyway, I digress. It
is it is very funny rewatching that. So I've been
rewatching that. I think I'm in like season three now.
I'm about to start season three, which like each episode
is like forty five minutes and there's.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like thirty episodes per season because it was in the
early two and they actually did like a lot of
episodes in a season, whereas nowadays we get like seven
to ten episodes maybe of a season. But I'm making
my way through. I'm probably going to finish it because
(19:18):
I genuinely don't remember how it ends up. I know
that it goes into them being in college and stuff,
but I don't remember like what their lives are like necessarily,
so I am curious to continue watching. I also got
to a really interesting part where the mom character Kirsten
(19:38):
is going through like some alcoholism issues, Like she's going
through really tough time and leaning on alcohol a little
too hard, and so I do remember that happening before,
but like, and I kind of remember what happens from
here moving forward with her character a little bit at
(19:59):
least in the next season. But it's interesting to watch
through that through my eyes now, being a person that
has been through like a relationship where somebody I was
with was drinking and having drank myself at this point,
like recognizing those signs in her and how they decide
(20:19):
to like show it, because as much as I enjoy
the characters in the show and how like interesting they are,
some of the artistic choices in the show are definitely
not aging well. But again, we'll see where it goes.
(20:41):
But yeah, so that's one of the shows I've been watching.
I start watching a little bit Law and Order SVU,
which I know is like crazy for me because why
would I want to watch that considering like how empathetic
and sweet I am. But I remember when I went
(21:05):
to visit Angie in California that she was watching the show.
And it's an interesting show because there's so many people
that have been on it, because it's been going for
like I think this the first season is in nineteen
ninety seven, so wow, older than the OC is crazy,
But there's been so many people on the show, and
(21:28):
all of the storylines in each episode are actually really interesting.
Like I can't binge it like I do other shows
because it just gets to be too much. But watching
an episode or two or so like a night has
been interesting because it's given me a little bit more
(21:51):
insight into like some of the police work that goes on,
and I find it interesting how we get to the killer.
Like I like reading mystery novels and trying to figure
out who's the killer. I like trying to guess. I
like good mystery things, so that kind of like gives
(22:13):
me some of that. But yeah, it's a lot. It's
a lot to digest, it's a lot to handle, and
there's so much more to it that isn't just episode
episode Like there's an overarching plot as well, which I
didn't know and I didn't expect that, but I think
(22:34):
that that's really cool. So I've been watching that. I
also watch season two of Squid Games, which is very recent,
and oh my gosh, it was incredible. Like it definitely
leaves off on a cliffhanger. So if you haven't seen it,
(22:58):
maybe don't listen to this, because I'm gonna talk about
it a little bit. But yeah, I don't want to.
I don't want to give any spoilers necessarily, but if
you have seen it, uh, the cliffhanger that it leaves
us off on is like, what's gonna happen to our
(23:18):
boy Gion? And like, what the hell is going on
with the captain of the boat. I'm not very good
at names necessarily on the show because there's all new
characters and I've only seen it once. I really only
know character names if I've seen something more than once,
(23:41):
or if like I really combet myself to remembering everybody's name.
But like, I cannot even believe like the number of
times I was just purely angry about the fact that
play er number one is a guy who's a part
(24:04):
of is the guy who's a part of the Games
again again, And also does Gillun know that like he is,
because he said at one point he said, what was it?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He was like.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Talking about his name, Oh, the Unseung Hero because Gian's
last name is Siung Siong or something like that. But
he says something like, oh yeah, like you're the unsung
hero something like that, and it's a joke that does
(24:41):
not land with the group that he's talking to. But
that's why I remember it, because it doesn't land like
it's not a good joke and nobody laughs at it.
And then he brings it up again later he brings
it up again when he's got the mask on and
he's actually being the boss man that he is to
(25:01):
Yuen and he says it to him. He goes like,
are you done playing the hero or something like that,
and I was like, yuh yeah, put the pieces together,
my guy, which, like, I don't know about you, but
if I were in these games the first time and
(25:28):
I found out that the player one was this was
the old was the old guy, and that he was
the head of the whole thing, like he's the reason
the game has happened in the first place, I would
be suspicious of all of the players, like you never
know who's involved in it, Like what because it wasn't
(25:52):
an old man, you just assume that, like he has
nothing to do with it, Like that's crazy. I would
be suspicious player number one every single time, because if
you think about it, if you think about it, when
they have to vote for the games, they vote in
a numerical order, so it's either from the last player
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four fifty six, which is our main character, to the
first player, or vice versa, the first player to the
last player whenever they vote if they're going to stay
in the games or not. So if you were going
to insert yourself into your own games, would you would
you not be player number one? Especially if I'm guessing
(26:40):
the main reason he put himself inserted himself into the
games is because Gunn was going to be back in them,
Like would you not? Would you not think to be
like maybe a little suspicious of the first player. It's
so frustrating to me. I wish that I could just
(27:02):
tell him. But anyway, if you have if you haven't
seen the Squid games, you're probably not gonna understand. Like,
if you haven't seen it at all, you're not gonna
understand anything I just said. But hopefully I'll insert like
(27:24):
when you can come back into the podcast or whatever
if you don't want any spoilers, But like, if you
haven't seen the show, then it's a show that like
really plays on the themes I feel, at least in
my opinion, plays on the themes of like greed versus humanity.
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And it's an interesting conversation to be had because a
lot of the characters in the show are people who
have gotten themselves into findingential situations that are going to
take a bunch of money to fix, and a lot
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of them, I can't say all of them, because I
think there are a couple that, like I I don't know,
but I think there are some of them that, like,
it's really just life dealt them a pretty crappy hand
and they did what they had to to try and
figure it out for themselves. But a lot of them
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are people who put themselves in this situation, who have
done terrible things to be so in debt, and they
are struggling to not only get like above water, but
to be like at the top of the pyramid above
(28:50):
the water, if that makes sense. Like they're greedy, and
it really shows you the people in life that can
be human versus the people who get consumed with greed.
It's so interesting and fascinating, and again, I feel like
(29:12):
it's less about the overarching story for me, and it's
way more about each individual character. Like they give us
backstories for a lot of the characters that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Are in it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And even though a lot of characters die, Like I'm
just gonna say that, because it's true, even though a
lot of characters die, you really get to know them
and get to see their like their motivations in it.
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And it's so interesting to think about, like, Okay, if
I was in this situation, what would I do? And
also measuring yourself in terms of like where you're at
in life, because it's so easy to be like, oh,
that would never have happened to me in the first place,
but like you don't know that, you have no idea
(30:05):
what could happen in your life, Like there are so
many things. There's the wildfires in California that are taking
these very rich people's homes, and like for a lot
of people, they put so much money into their house
because it's something that you think you'll have forever and
then it's just gone. Like I'm sure a lot of
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people have insurance and whatever, but like, it doesn't change
the fact that a lot of your money, a lot
of who you are is gone, And like, what do
you do in that situation? Because all you've ever known
is being like on top of the world. So what
do you do when you're down in the dirt? But
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do things that you hope will get you up higher
but honestly just sink you lower. It's so interesting to me.
But anyway, that's what I want to talk about this week,
where these tea shows, because they've been on my mind
and I can't get them out of my head, and
I'm probably going to watch more of them as soon
as I'm done recording this because i need a break.
(31:13):
But I'm so happy that you guys listened. Hopefully, If
you've seen any of these shows, tell me, like which
one and why you like it or why you hate it.
Tell me if any of these shows interested you that
I talked about. There's so many more that I could
talk about, but those are the main ones that are
on my radar right now. I'm also rewatching Desperate Housewives,
(31:37):
but that's a whole that's for a whole other reason,
which we'll probably get into either the next episode or
the episode after that, but again thank you so much
for listening, See you next time.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Bye e
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Mariah Effect Podcast. I'm Mariah
and let's dig in. So I've had quite a bit
of downtime recently.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I had a surgery and so I wasn't really mobile
for quite a while, like a little bit over two
weeks where I wasn't really walking around or doing anything,
and so I spent a lot of time watching TV.
I spent a lot of time reading. And there's a
(01:00):
couple of things that I want to talk about, and
one of one of the major things I want to
talk about is a TV So this episode is all
going to be about TV shows that I've been watching
and how crazy some of them are. Because we're talking
(01:22):
about old TV, we're talking about new TV, relatively old TV,
like all over the place. So that's what we're doing today.
I hope you're excited to hear about my opinions about
random TV shows that probably none of you have seen,
(01:44):
or if you have seen, it was either a long
time ago or you don't care about anymore. This is
a big thing that I do with probably specifically with Mallory,
because she's willing to listen to it most of the time.
She always seems to think that I do it in
(02:07):
a funny way, which I think is very sweet. But
sometimes I really just feel like I'm rambling. But this
is my podcast, and so what better place to ramble
about TV shows that I watch than my podcast? And
I've talked about this on the podcast before, but stories
(02:29):
are just such a big part of my life. I've
read since I was really little. I have devoured novels
in two point five seconds. I will like binge watch
TV shows like nobody else. It's just I think it's
(02:50):
the stories that feel real to me are the ones
that get me well enough, Like if you have a
story that has a character going through some major life
changes or major emotional situation and they feel like a
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real person, that's gonna get me, It's gonna get me
so good. Like for a really long time, Harry Potter
was one of my favorite series, and that's because Harry
Potter is pretty much really about Harry Potter. Like I
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know that sounds silly because it's named after him, obviously
it's about him, but like it's very much about his
growth and how he gets through his life because so
much of his life is being around adults that either
(03:55):
really don't understand him, and do everything they can to
change about him, or adults that really really really get
him and want to try and help him. And so
much of that has this childlike wonder to it as well,
(04:15):
obviously with the magic and stuff, but it kind of
gives you the feeling when you're reading it as a kid,
of that same feeling, like recognizing there are some people
who are going to be cruel and mean and terrible
and awful, and there's going to be some people that
are going to be there for you. And well, some
(04:38):
of the ideas and some of the notions that go
into Harry Potter are things that I don't necessarily agree
with anymore. I think that it's the character development for me.
And so some of the things I'm going to talk
about today are going to be mostly about that, because
some of them are really ridiculous shows. But just bear
(05:03):
with me. Okay, just bear with me. So, like, is
very hard for me to find shows TV shows that
are like have at least five seasons or so, that
are shows I have never tried to watch before. Like,
it's very hard for me to find those types of shows.
And if there are some out there, I most likely
(05:30):
won't be interested in it like if that makes sense,
which is kind of a silly thing to say, because
there's so many shows there really are, there's so many
TV shows. There's so much out there, but like in reality,
like I spend a lot of time watching TV, and
(05:50):
so if I haven't already seen it, I probably won't
see it. But one of the things that I want
when I was really young, like I probably probably too
young to be watching it, if I'm being honest, wash
the OC. Everybody else out there who saw the OC.
(06:15):
I think it's one of those things that really ignited
the need for watching like teenage dramas, which like there's
so many like The Fosters, Vampire Diaries. I'm trying to
think Sweet Life of the American Teenager, which is a
(06:35):
whole other conversation that we can have another time. Yeah,
shows like that, there are things that I would watch
with my mom. She was always down to watch those things,
and it was just kind of like comforting in a
way to be around like these people that like either
(06:57):
made decisions that you agreed with or made some decisions
that you didn't agree with, and being able to try
and understand those characters, Like I was doing that when
I was like ten, which is not why a lot
of people watch shows like that, Like you you hear me, Like,
(07:18):
I feel like a lot of the times people watch
it for the drama of it all, but in reality,
I'm watching it for the characters, Like I'm watching it
for seeing what decisions they're going to make and why
they're making those decisions, Like I genuinely want to understand them,
like I understand myself, and like, I think that's I
(07:40):
think that's a unique thing. I think a lot of
people watch it for the drama. But anyway, the oc
I remember when I watched it as a kid, Like
I remember big plot lines, of course, but I didn't
really remember like the back and forth of it all.
(08:04):
Like there's so many things that happen that are just
like will they won't they will? They won't? They will
they won't they And that's part of the appeal for
these of these shows for people, especially back in the day,
where they would be like, oh my gosh, are seth
and some are gonna get together this week? Like I
(08:25):
think that's part of the appeal of it, right, But
rewatching it, I find there's so many things in the
show that I am relating to more now as an adult,
which is fun because when I was a kid, there
were so many moments where I was like, yeah, like
(08:47):
I'm totally on these teenagers' side, like why are their
parents being so rude? Why are their parents being so stupid?
And now that I'm fully grown adult, I'm not quite
parent of a teenager age yet, but like I am
(09:09):
old enough to recognize some things in the show that
I'm like, Wow, I was a good kid, like considering
some of the things that these teenagers on this show do,
I was a really good kid. But all of that
to say, like the main character, if you haven't seen
(09:31):
the OC, the main character is this kid Ryan, and
he Ryan Attwood, and he is from kind of like
the like slums of California, which in the show is Chino,
which now that I've also lived in California, it's cool
(09:53):
to know like exactly where they're talking about, like what
they're talking about where they are, but he's from that
area and he he I skipped the first episode because
I think I've seen the first episode like a million times,
so you think I would know it better by now.
But something happens he like is stealing a car for
(10:17):
his brother or something like that. His brother put him
up to it, and his brother is like older, way, way,
way worse than Ryan ever could be. And he gets
caught and hands up in juvie and he has this
lawyer guy who meets with him, talks with him. His
(10:39):
name is Sandy Cohen, and Sandy is this wonderful man.
He's very liberal, like wants to help out those who
can't afford for any other help, and so he sees
something in Ryan that makes him decide to bring Ryan
(11:00):
and home. Like the only way for Ryan to really
not completely get out of it necessarily, but to not
be in juvie is if somebody takes him, like takes
him into custody or something like that. And so Sandy
ends up bringing this kid home, which Sandy has a wife, Kirsten,
(11:23):
and a son, Seth, who's about Ryan's age, and that's
like fifteen, I think maybe sixteen. He brings Ryan home.
His wife is not happy about the situation, considering that
he's brought a delinquent child into their home where they
(11:45):
have another child. And this other child is just the
biggest nerd. The biggest dork doesn't have really any friends,
very loner and him and Ryan end up having like
building a friendship even though they come from such different worlds.
They're so different in so many ways as well, But
(12:07):
like Ryan and Seth end up like really bonding and
becoming really good friends in this first episode alone, and
it gets to a point where, like Seth is willing
to do anything to keep Ryan there. Ryan is kind
of like everybody you know in my life who I
(12:28):
feel like I can trust for one second, they break
that trust immediately, and so it holds this appeal for
you as the audience member, for this kid, this poor
kid who has been through so much and has had
to deal with things that were outside of his control,
you know, Like his mom is a drunk and she
(12:51):
chooses to be with this guy who's a terrible person
who hits his mom, hits Ryan, his dad is in prison.
Like there's just so many things that were things he
had nothing to do with, but he has to live
with the consequences of those choices, and he has to
kind of like relearn how to be who he really is,
(13:16):
which is not this punk kid who's not this you know,
crime like piece of crap kid, Like he's not he's good.
He's genuinely a good kid, and I think like in
a lot of ways I could relate to him. Like
(13:36):
I did not grow up with money. I didn't grow
up like in like a super fancy part of town.
There are all sorts of things that were out of
my control that like impacted the way that I felt
I had to be to other people. And like I
think that that's something that I stuck onto really well,
(13:57):
really harsh, really hard for the character. But he like
he really goes through it. There's a lot of things
that happened that I'm like, kid, like, come on, you
know better. Like there's a couple of times where he
like he's like I have to run away and like
(14:19):
nobody's gonna ever love me. And it's just like hard
to relate to that anymore because like it's so obvious
that these people care for him and love him. But like,
if I think about it, like.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I was the same way.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
There were so many people in my life that I
pushed away because I didn't trust them for lots of reasons.
But like there were things that I did where I
lied and I like hid who I really was because
I didn't want people to find out and think that
(15:00):
I was nothing special. So I related a lot to
Ryan when I first saw the show and was like ten,
but I also couldn't relate to it a little bit
now of like at least who I used to be.
And it's kind of interesting because he's taken into this
family and his family loves him and cares about him
(15:23):
and would do anything for him by the point that
I'm at and like, I'm literally living in somebody else's
family's home and they treat me like family. Like the
parallels the parallels, you guys, but I it's also interesting
because the show is set in like early two thousands,
(15:48):
which at this point is over twenty years ago, and
it's just wild to see how some of the things
are so relevant to today that they talk about and
some of the things are not so not It's also
(16:09):
interesting to see some of the relationships on there, Like
you're watching and one of the major friendships is between
this girl Summer and this girl Marissa, and I just
don't think that they were really that good of friends,
if I'm being honest. There are plenty of times where like,
(16:31):
like there's one episode where Marissa was attacked by a
guy and she kind of like lies to Summer about
what happened with her shoulder or whatever, and Summer knows
it's a lie. Like Summer clocks that it's a lie.
She's like, what you fell on your collarbone? She says that,
(16:53):
but then is so wrapped up in her own drama,
her own stuff going on, that she just kind of
like dismisses it, which like would never happen between me
and a friend, Like even friends that were not that
great of a friend for me, like in high school.
I feel like they wouldn't have just dismissed it that easily,
(17:14):
especially if they clocked that I was lying. Like I
don't know, maybe maybe I'm also seeing this through like
the lens of like an adult, because there's no adult
friendship that I have that would not push for further details.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But like.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know, I don't know, seems suspicious to be
honest with you. And when I was a kid, I
thought Seth was like the funniest thing ever. And as
an adult, I think, like he has good one liners, sure,
but like he is kind of like really self involved,
(17:51):
like kind of an asshole if I'm being honest. And
even in the show, like there is an episode where
there's where they're at prom and he likes this whole
speech to Summer on stage. He's not the prom king,
but he like gets on stage and tells her that
like he's there for her or whatever, and they kiss
and it's supposed to be this romantic moment. And in
(18:11):
the background you hear some kids.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Go, he's a tool, he's he's a total loser, and
I'm like, that guy's right. Whoever that is in the
background is so right, Like Seth is is totally not
the good guy for a lot of things that happen,
(18:34):
like he's so self involved. But anyway, I digress. It
is it is very funny rewatching that. So I've been
rewatching that. I think I'm in like season three now.
I'm about to start season three, which like each episode
is like forty five minutes and there's.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like thirty episodes per season because it was in the
early two and they actually did like a lot of
episodes in a season, whereas nowadays we get like seven
to ten episodes maybe of a season. But I'm making
my way through. I'm probably going to finish it because
(19:18):
I genuinely don't remember how it ends up. I know
that it goes into them being in college and stuff,
but I don't remember like what their lives are like necessarily,
so I am curious to continue watching. I also got
to a really interesting part where the mom character Kirsten
(19:38):
is going through like some alcoholism issues, Like she's going
through really tough time and leaning on alcohol a little
too hard, and so I do remember that happening before,
but like, and I kind of remember what happens from
here moving forward with her character a little bit at
(19:59):
least in the next season. But it's interesting to watch
through that through my eyes now, being a person that
has been through like a relationship where somebody I was
with was drinking and having drank myself at this point,
like recognizing those signs in her and how they decide
(20:19):
to like show it, because as much as I enjoy
the characters in the show and how like interesting they are,
some of the artistic choices in the show are definitely
not aging well. But again, we'll see where it goes.
(20:41):
But yeah, so that's one of the shows I've been watching.
I start watching a little bit Law and Order SVU,
which I know is like crazy for me because why
would I want to watch that considering like how empathetic
and sweet I am. But I remember when I went
(21:05):
to visit Angie in California that she was watching the show.
And it's an interesting show because there's so many people
that have been on it, because it's been going for
like I think this the first season is in nineteen
ninety seven, so wow, older than the OC is crazy,
But there's been so many people on the show, and
(21:28):
all of the storylines in each episode are actually really interesting.
Like I can't binge it like I do other shows
because it just gets to be too much. But watching
an episode or two or so like a night has
been interesting because it's given me a little bit more
(21:51):
insight into like some of the police work that goes on,
and I find it interesting how we get to the killer.
Like I like reading mystery novels and trying to figure
out who's the killer. I like trying to guess. I
like good mystery things, so that kind of like gives
(22:13):
me some of that. But yeah, it's a lot. It's
a lot to digest, it's a lot to handle, and
there's so much more to it that isn't just episode
episode Like there's an overarching plot as well, which I
didn't know and I didn't expect that, but I think
(22:34):
that that's really cool. So I've been watching that. I
also watch season two of Squid Games, which is very recent,
and oh my gosh, it was incredible. Like it definitely
leaves off on a cliffhanger. So if you haven't seen it,
(22:58):
maybe don't listen to this, because I'm gonna talk about
it a little bit. But yeah, I don't want to.
I don't want to give any spoilers necessarily, but if
you have seen it, uh, the cliffhanger that it leaves
us off on is like, what's gonna happen to our
(23:18):
boy Gion? And like, what the hell is going on
with the captain of the boat. I'm not very good
at names necessarily on the show because there's all new
characters and I've only seen it once. I really only
know character names if I've seen something more than once,
(23:41):
or if like I really combet myself to remembering everybody's name.
But like, I cannot even believe like the number of
times I was just purely angry about the fact that
play er number one is a guy who's a part
(24:04):
of is the guy who's a part of the Games
again again, And also does Gillun know that like he is,
because he said at one point he said, what was it?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He was like.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Talking about his name, Oh, the Unseung Hero because Gian's
last name is Siung Siong or something like that. But
he says something like, oh yeah, like you're the unsung
hero something like that, and it's a joke that does
(24:41):
not land with the group that he's talking to. But
that's why I remember it, because it doesn't land like
it's not a good joke and nobody laughs at it.
And then he brings it up again later he brings
it up again when he's got the mask on and
he's actually being the boss man that he is to
(25:01):
Yuen and he says it to him. He goes like,
are you done playing the hero or something like that,
and I was like, yuh yeah, put the pieces together,
my guy, which, like, I don't know about you, but
if I were in these games the first time and
(25:28):
I found out that the player one was this was
the old was the old guy, and that he was
the head of the whole thing, like he's the reason
the game has happened in the first place, I would
be suspicious of all of the players, like you never
know who's involved in it, Like what because it wasn't
(25:52):
an old man, you just assume that, like he has
nothing to do with it, Like that's crazy. I would
be suspicious player number one every single time, because if
you think about it, if you think about it, when
they have to vote for the games, they vote in
a numerical order, so it's either from the last player
(26:15):
four fifty six, which is our main character, to the
first player, or vice versa, the first player to the
last player whenever they vote if they're going to stay
in the games or not. So if you were going
to insert yourself into your own games, would you would
you not be player number one? Especially if I'm guessing
(26:40):
the main reason he put himself inserted himself into the
games is because Gunn was going to be back in them,
Like would you not? Would you not think to be
like maybe a little suspicious of the first player. It's
so frustrating to me. I wish that I could just
(27:02):
tell him. But anyway, if you have if you haven't
seen the Squid games, you're probably not gonna understand. Like,
if you haven't seen it at all, you're not gonna
understand anything I just said. But hopefully I'll insert like
(27:24):
when you can come back into the podcast or whatever
if you don't want any spoilers, But like, if you
haven't seen the show, then it's a show that like
really plays on the themes I feel, at least in
my opinion, plays on the themes of like greed versus humanity.
(27:48):
And it's an interesting conversation to be had because a
lot of the characters in the show are people who
have gotten themselves into findingential situations that are going to
take a bunch of money to fix, and a lot
(28:08):
of them, I can't say all of them, because I
think there are a couple that, like I I don't know,
but I think there are some of them that, like,
it's really just life dealt them a pretty crappy hand
and they did what they had to to try and
figure it out for themselves. But a lot of them
(28:30):
are people who put themselves in this situation, who have
done terrible things to be so in debt, and they
are struggling to not only get like above water, but
to be like at the top of the pyramid above
(28:50):
the water, if that makes sense. Like they're greedy, and
it really shows you the people in life that can
be human versus the people who get consumed with greed.
It's so interesting and fascinating, and again, I feel like
(29:12):
it's less about the overarching story for me, and it's
way more about each individual character. Like they give us
backstories for a lot of the characters that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Are in it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And even though a lot of characters die, Like I'm
just gonna say that, because it's true, even though a
lot of characters die, you really get to know them
and get to see their like their motivations in it.
(29:45):
And it's so interesting to think about, like, Okay, if
I was in this situation, what would I do? And
also measuring yourself in terms of like where you're at
in life, because it's so easy to be like, oh,
that would never have happened to me in the first place,
but like you don't know that, you have no idea
(30:05):
what could happen in your life, Like there are so
many things. There's the wildfires in California that are taking
these very rich people's homes, and like for a lot
of people, they put so much money into their house
because it's something that you think you'll have forever and
then it's just gone. Like I'm sure a lot of
(30:27):
people have insurance and whatever, but like, it doesn't change
the fact that a lot of your money, a lot
of who you are is gone, And like, what do
you do in that situation? Because all you've ever known
is being like on top of the world. So what
do you do when you're down in the dirt? But
(30:48):
do things that you hope will get you up higher
but honestly just sink you lower. It's so interesting to me.
But anyway, that's what I want to talk about this week,
where these tea shows, because they've been on my mind
and I can't get them out of my head, and
I'm probably going to watch more of them as soon
as I'm done recording this because i need a break.
(31:13):
But I'm so happy that you guys listened. Hopefully, If
you've seen any of these shows, tell me, like which
one and why you like it or why you hate it.
Tell me if any of these shows interested you that
I talked about. There's so many more that I could
talk about, but those are the main ones that are
on my radar right now. I'm also rewatching Desperate Housewives,
(31:37):
but that's a whole that's for a whole other reason,
which we'll probably get into either the next episode or
the episode after that, but again thank you so much
for listening, See you next time.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Bye e
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