Louisiana's New Congressional District, Presidential Election Latest, Chris' 25th Anniversary

It’s Christopher Tidmore’s 25th anniversary as a radio talk show host, and he and Hy are joined by Christopher’s original on-air partner, Jeff Crouere.

They reminisce about major stories over the years - including David Duke’s tax dodges and other stories of Louisiana political malfeasance they exposed.

The three also review the special session, the new minority district (and whether it meets constitution muster), and what’s going on in the presidential primary race. Is Nikki Haley going to be a third-party “No Labels“ candidate?

All this and more on this week’s edition of The Founders Show.

Episode Transcript

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Battles, the politicians addressed the digitdatas and magicians trust to see the money,
then you don't, there's nothing tofill the holes, while then feeling
their packets biles the politicians bouncing downthe road, every batsuition, no moth,

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corruption and itysfunction. It's gone aday, Divide it avention. The
Louisiana Special Session has come to anend. But does that mean that everything
was successful? No? Could therebe a nine member Supreme Court come the
regular session? And of course,looking a little further, Trump was successful
in New Hampshire. Why is NickyHelly staying in? Could it be a

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third party candidacy? And back inLouisiana, will Garrett Graves decide to challenge
Julia Letlow now that Cleo Fields isrunning for his old seat. We're coming
to you on the after math ofLouisiana's day in the Sun in Washington,
d C. All these topics andmore on this edition of The Founder Show.
And God bless you all out there. You are now listening to The

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Founder's Show, the voice of theFounding Fathers, your Founding Fathers coming to
you deep within the bowels of thosemystic and cryptic alligator swamps of the Big
Easy, that old Crescent City,New Orleans, Louisiana, and high up
on top of that old Liberty Cypresstree draped in Spanish moss way out on

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the Eagles Branch is none other.Then you have s Beingary Bubba, Oh
the Republic Chaplain, Hi McHenry,Christopher Tidmore, You Roving, a reporter,
resident radical, moderate and associate editorof the Louisiana Weekly newspaper at Louisiana
Weekly dot net. And Ladies andgentlemen, Today is a particularly special show
for me because special, special,very special. Oh I love special.

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Thanks folks, I make me sohappy. Well, this is something that
may make you happy today. Thiscoming week is my twenty fifth anniversary of
being on the radio. Oh mygosh, twenty five years ago this month
I started on WTIX six ninety Am, the mighty six ninety back in those
days, and I started with aparticular co host joining us by phone link.

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Is the man who started it allwith me or I with him,
depending upon how you look at it. So we certainly started together. Jeff
Carreer is joining us and Jeff happytwenty five years on the radio, And
of course you maintain your fantastic perchwith a huge audience at WGSO nine ninety
am, and we're proud to haveyou here at WR nine five and WSLA

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fifteen sixty ninety three point nine.Welcome, Welcome, and Jeff, well
than thanks for having Jeff. Heythis Hi. I just wanted to thank
you so much for being on theshow. You're a great guy. I've
been following you since you started YouTube. Gentlemen may not realize it, but
I apprediate you. I started radioover forty years ago, well on Vincent
Bruno show on WSA Joe as aco host. Now I'm a little guy.

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Y'all are full time professionals. Inever made it to that level,
but I'm been on for over fortyyears now. But what you were one
of our first guests, like likethree miss remember, so I'll put you
this, you with this to thebeginning. But Jeff, every two or
three years I have you on andyou have me on. We talk about
this, but twenty five years,a quarter century, it's kind of hard

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to believe. When we were drivingback from Baton Rouge from the Baton Rouge
Press Club that day and we're listeningto WTIX and you make the comment it
was Jeff's idea. I give himtotal credit where he said, why don't
we call him and see if theywant to do a radio They want us
to do a radio show. Andthe two of us are thinking maybe once
a week, maybe something small,and I called Ed Butler. He put
with George Buck. We met withEd Butler later that day. I'm going

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to do a story for the Weekly. And at the end of it he
made us an offer, did henot, Jeff, you know, I
am glad that well. We wereworking on the Facts Weekly, and it
was a fun sort of way forus to you know, keep up with
Louisiana politics and and we were Ithink making a lot of connections. And

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then of course Ed Butler was oneof the people we were interviewing, and
then in the process of our lunchwith him because we had found out that
he had just come on board asthe general manager of this station, and
I knew w T i X fromthe notoriety that it had from Robert Namer
is a very a very diplomatic wayof Actually I ran into him not too

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allow. He's not but he's stillalive, and he's not he's out out
on the street. Now there's anyguy, he's crazy, Let you go
go ahead. The person who wasnot living is our mentor at Butler,
because he passed away in the aftermathof a hurricane Katrina. Sadly much much

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too young, a man of justincredible brilliance. But so he he was
nice enough to say, hey,you know, I'm putting this schedule together.
You guys come on board. Andwe were just so green. I
didn't know what the heck we weredoing. So, you know, we
jumped in, and you know,the rest is history. We're in that
old building, in that old studioand right behind Clearview shopping Center. Yeah,

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oh yeah. So we're on thisten thousand watt station. The equipment
probably dated from nineteen seventy nine,and this is the this is the you
know, nineteen ninety nine. Andit's interesting because Jeff and I had never
really we both you'd been on radioa little bit more than I had,
but we both had been interviewed,but we never done a radio show.
And so we the first show,we come in, we're talking, we

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introduce ourselves. The second show,it was kind of weird how we put
us on at first we were onfrom ten to eleven and two to three.
We had a split shift, andso we're in there the first day.
Second thing, what do we talkabout? And we said, well,
why don't we talk about the openprimary versus the closed primary? And
we do this, and immediately afterGeorge Buck, the owner of the station,
calls out and said, why wouldanybody care about talking about the open

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primary. It's not like that's evergoing to be reviewed in the Louisiana politics.
Well, I give you twenty fiveyears later in the legislative session,
and you know, they have sortof toured with it over the years.
They've made they they've tinkered with theclose primary for some of the federal elections,
and then they got rid of it. And now of course we're back
to it partially again. So Imean, they can't really make a decision

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to really embrace it or really completelyreject it. So now we're going to
have it for some elections. It'snot going to be really a closed primary
because the unaffiliated voters can be ableto vote. What a mess it's going
to be. It's gonna be NewHampshire writ large basically, so, but
you can't be but unlike New Hampshire. You can't be registered independent because that's
actually a party here because of ourour friend run Fernandez. You have to

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be no party, but you're goingto be able to vote your way.
But then the stay wide races willnot not not change, They'll still be
open and all the legislative races arestill open. Just so really, just
psy did it. Yeah, it'sit's too confusing. I don't like the
way. If they had done itjust congressional races like they did it the
last time they tried this, itwould have made a certain degree of sense.

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But doing the PSC races and theSupreme Court but not the lower courts,
and it's it's all over the place. And I'm I'm as you know,
Jeff, I'm not a fan ofthe closed primary anyway, And we
can litigate that. You're probably happy, You're probably happy. Well, I
mean, I'm happy it failed partially. I'm not happy it part of it
succeeded. I could. I mean, the one argument for the closed primary

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was that that had a certain resonance. Is that our candidates end up finish,
you know, not going to Washingtonuntil a month after every other congressman.
So there was an argument, Iguess in the congressional races. But
the reason I really wasn't happy wasbecause, ultimately, I do want to
reminisce a little bit what it wasdoing was trying to essentially protect Republicans and

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Democrats and districts where that aren't competitive, and I'm like, that's that's that
doesn't create we ate much competition inplaces you were one. I mean,
most people don't realize this today,but because you've lived on the North Shore
and you've lived elsewhere in a lotof places, you were actually you know,
only ran for the legislature from OrleansParish, but you were the really
the he didn't found it, butyou were the leading guiding light and the

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creator of the modern Orleans Republican Party. You headed a lot of it,
and you spent a lot of timeworking in the context and districts where frankly
Republicans didn't have much of a chance, but they were the deciding points that
I was interesting. It's interesting tobring that up because I did run in
nineteen ninety five against Mitchell Andrew,and there were four candidates in that race,

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and if there would have been aRepublican primary and a Democrat primary.
I would have been in the runoffagainst him because I got more than double
the votes the other Republican. Butunfortunately, since it was an open primary,
he got over fifty percent. Ididn't get him in a runoff.
The other Republican attacked me the wholetime because I was too conservative, and

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then he goes in there and thenthen he becomes, of course mayor.
If I would have won that race, I could have stopped all kinds of
problems. I could have stopped themonuments from coming down. I could have
stopped this infrastructure bill that he justheaded up for Joe Biden. Now he's
going to be a co chair ofthe Biden reelection campaign. Anyway, what

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could have been back then? Iwill point out Jeff did really well in
that race in a district that wasd plus what thirteen or something it was.
I mean it was a quick sodiccafri New Orleans. Yeah, I
live in that district. I ranfrom what became part of that district,
and it was not good. Anyway, Gentlemen, you all say that you
all are both of you. Iknow you did, especially Jeff, I

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know you played a major role.Findingly, the Republican Party for numals.
But you know where the Republican Partyliterally really began to get going in my
parents' living room, the Senates livingroom, and a few other uptown people
back in fifty eight. Well,I will point at age seven, I
began, if you will, mypolitical career knocking on doors, hand out.

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Panther was putting up people for election. They never won, We always
lost. They were away a littleunknown guys. We created our own political
parties. Finally we settled on puttingall our efforts with the Republican Party now
like we would have a chance,but we thought it the best chance we
had, and we put a littleCanada up. He lost and lost.
Fill you know what he won.He actually won a US congressman seat,
and that was Dave Trent. AndI'll point out something that one of the

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people who was one of those earlyorganizers when it was all in a phone
booth, was the other guy wemet with when we started the radio show.
So there were two people there thatnight. One was Ed Butler,
who went on to be our mentorand our boss for several years. The
other one was Heyward Hillier, whois the for those that are for me
with Quinn Hillier, you know,the prominent conservative commentator and columnists. This

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is his dad, and he wasone of the founders of the Republican Party
of Louisiana. So I mean literallyone of the founders and I and when
I ran in, I was abig help to me. He was a
real Republican and just committed to theparty. I had a lot of other
ones commit to me and then theyturned their back when they're going got tough,

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but he really stayed true when hewas just a great guy and a
really staunch Republican uptown. And youknow, it's been the battle ever since
try to get a Republican presence inNew Orleans. And we still don't have
a Republican elected official in New Orleans. So maybe one day things will turn
around for the city and they'll embracethe two party system. But right now

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Democrats own everything in the city ofNew World. Jeff and I were actually
there the one time the one personone citywide is a Republican in Orleans Parish.
And for those who joined as JeffCerreer joining Hi McCanny Christopher Tidmore here
in the Founder show, and itwas a judicial candidate because he was running
against someone who ran thirteen times before. It was the only race. It

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was the same weekend as the congressionalrace. There was nothing else on the
ballot, and he remained a Republicanfor about five minutes after he got elected
and ran again as a Democrat.So it tells you something about the whole
situation. But Jeff, of courseyou want one big picture here. Think
about it, folks. New Orleanshas so many problems, highest crime or
you know, one of the worstinfrastructure, you name it, greatest corruption

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going on, and who's doing allthat? Democrats, folks. I mean,
I would point out that, folks. After that, yeah, I'd
point out. I'd point out thatthis. You know, we've we've had
some sweetheart deals in New Orleans.Sometimes they do have Republicans behind them,
Oh of course they do. ButI will also we've got we got situations.
But one of the things I dowant to bring to Jeff, of
course, is joining us because thisis we're coming up in our twenty fifth

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anniversary in the radio. We're stillboth on the radio, which is five
years, just different stations, youknow. And the thing is, folks,
they've both been at it full time. Yeah, and TV too,
yeah, well, in political campaignand running for office and you name it.
They've done it all. It's amazing. And Jeff, we've got a
lot of history. We can kindof run journalism. Y'all do it all.
It's amazing. And writing books,you name it. It's amazing what

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y'all have done. Yeah, weshouldn't been paid and that and that and
about you know, ten dollars willget us a good machiato. You know
so anyway, but a lot haschanged in twenty five years. When we
started out doing this, you andI were doing a political facts weekly,
as you mentioned. I mean,I don't even know anybody who owns a
fax machine anymore. We were onradio, though, Yeah, at a

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time when AM talk radio was atits kind of at its apex and people
were really listening. You didn't havepodcasting. Both of us do podcast as
well as our radio shows. Youdidn't have that. You didn't really,
I mean I remember our first wegot wt I X on the internet,
and Jeff came up with, howyou want to tell that story about putting

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a radio right next to the internetmachine? You can tell it. Yeah,
it's very simple. They said.It was all these technical problems to
get it there, and Jeff figuredout that we could just put a radio
next to the server for the Internetservice provider and it actually sounded just as
good as anything else. But wehad some interesting time and recard it from
that, Yeah, and it justit just there. You know where we

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do that the other studio, Well, I guess my house. Yeah,
that's how we do it. Butone of the things that yeah, one
of the things that that was wehad some interesting times and we want to
get some actual topics of this andthings have been covering. But in those
first couple of three years when wewere we were doing it together before I

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went off to w B y U. You did it for a while at
wt X and then went and wewent to other stations and all this ultimately
ending up at R and O andG s O. We had some interesting
experiences in this couple of years,and of course, one that a lot
of people remind us of is theday that we had uh David Duke in
studio. Why don't you tell thatstory, Jeff? Well, I mean,

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you know, we we had alot of very interesting people that came
in a studio with us and thatwe interviewed and you know, we just
had a commitment to bringing on peopleof different points of view, no matter
whether they were from the far leftor the far right. We had you
know, Reverend Brown, I sawRamond yesterday. By the way I saw
Raymond Good. I mean he hewas a hardcore black panther. Did y'all

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ever have Avery Alexander on your show? Oh? Yeah, we had Avery
right before he died. We hadvery interesting stories about him. Yeah,
and David Duke together that no oneknows about my experience in deliberty mind it's
interesting. But we had a lotof different people we had left and right.
The nice thing about that was peoplefelt comfortable, even people who disagreed

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with us, coming on the air, because they knew we weren't going to
cut him off. They were goingto get a thing. And sometimes,
you know, I remember Michael Mallicksaying, you know, paying us the
greatest compliment I could think of.He was head of the ACLU, and
he says, you know, Idisagree with them about ninety percent of the
time, except the ten percent Ican't help but agree with them. And
it was kind of a nice Itwas kind of a nice compliment to be
made. I do remember that whenwe had Duke one. I mean,

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the phone lines just burning, justan amazing just avalanche and ship calls.
It was probably more so than anybodywe've ever had on And I mean that
was hitting at a time when hewas running for congress. You know,
he was still a relevant political figureback back then. You know, he

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was a few years off of hisyou know, race for governor and at
that time he still had you know, followers, and you know, he
ran in that congressional race and wasyou know, was a factor in that
race. In fact, we werethe only didn't win, but the fact
we were the only ones who predictedthat he was going to be a lot
stronger than anybody thought. And heended up Yeah, yeah, he ended

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up like being thrown were delivered.He over delivered. The polls did not
really come anywhere close to figuring outwhat kind of support he had, and
we knew from the interview we didwith him. We could tell, I
mean there were so many people callingin saying yeah, they support him.
Oh yeah. In fact, wehad a thing where we'd call in,
we'd do a show. I guessit was just because we were lazy sometimes,
but we would say vote for whoeveryou wanted to, and we take

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seventy five or eighty car an hour, and he was getting a disproportionate number,
and it was kind of it couldcorrespond to chronic voters. But I
remember he came back with us andhe was touting his book and he's talking
about different topics, and we hadkind of a volunteer producer who was giving
us all this datus that we're firingback. And then suddenly, out of

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nowhere, the two of us lookedat each other and we looked at him
and said, you bought the listfrom Mike Foster. Well you sold your
list to Mike Foster, your voterlist? Oh yeah, how did you
pay taxes on that? And therewas silence on the other side. He
immediately we went to commercial, hecalled his accountant, they refiled it.
But the next day, basically laterthat day, not only did we get

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a call from the Times picking andthey put us on the front page,
but you were on the golf courseon that Saturday, and you were playing
golf with a particular assistant US attorneyor he was in the next fours.
I mean you ran into him onthe tea box. Who was that gentleman,
by the way, I mean,are you talking about Jim Lentton talking
too Jimletten. He asked the copyof the tape and he said he give

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it back. He never did.He used it to get the uh.
He used it to actually get thesearch warrant. Ultimately that got into Duke's
house in turns out of yeah years. Yeah, and that took a while,
obviously, And I did obviously knowthe assistant US attorney who was spearheading
that for Jim Latin. But yeah, he you know, obviously was engaged

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in all kinds of you know,Shnanians. But and the thing about him
is not everybody, of course thatsupported him was a quote unquote racist.
No, not at all. Alot of people liked some of the things
he was saying, and he was, you know, he had some of
the message that connected. He wasjust the wrong messenger. And he had
of course a you know, torriblebackground, and he was engaged in things

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that were illegal, But a lotof the things he was connecting with people
that really didn't feel like they hada champion. And you know, some
other candidates picked up on some ofhis message. Going forward. Let me
tell you experience I had. Iwent to one of his rallies, and
I happened to sit right next tothis black guy at his rally, guys
well addressed. As I spoke withhim, I realized he's very intelligent,

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very accomplished in his career or whatever. And so finally I said, why
are you supporting this guy? AndI was not supporting Duke. I just
was fo wondered to see what he'sup to. And this is when Meredith
was his running mate, if y'allremember that for president, right, yes,
right, yes? And I methim Mary anyway, So that was
a black radical, I mean civilrights activist many many years ago in Mississippi.

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And so I asked this black guysitting next to him, and I
said, why would you you know, I don't think David Duke really is
going to be your friend. Andhe said, well, no, it's
not that I don't really care aboutthat. It's what I care about is
his policies are going to save mypeople. And he was right about that,
being the welfare stuff and all that. Now, look, David Duke
was a very wicked man. Weknow that. I have my own personal

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experiences with him. Y'all had himon the radio him in my backyard.
Figuratively. I can't go into allthe details. I don't want to get
sued. Poisoning our two dogs.That's another I've told her this on this
radio before. And by the ways, while we're on Duke, I don't
think we're ever going to hear himagain because the last time we followed him
on a ra show, we hadall the the debate for the governor's running.
He had already begun to get theBiden disease. You could see it.

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He was losing it. He waslosing his mental capabilities. He wasn't
the sharp, clever, fast,smooth talking guy used to be. He
was struggling just to really when whenwas this? I remember governors remember the
governors race about five years ago?Maybe father back you remember that Christmas.
We went to the country club andwe had them all. They were all
there. It was not it wasn'tthe governors race. So we were moderating,

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you know, it was we weremonitoring the crime fighters fate on the
radio that they said it earth Magory. Our mutual friend Jef set up a
debate for all the Senate that wasthis was this was he did another one
that was later this was a thiswas no, this was a chateau country
and uh uh and he had usdo this. It's a dozen. They

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had a large group of Joseph gowwas there. He was he was running
for the Senate at that point,a whole bunch, that's right, And
you know he was right, hewas, he was not. He was
not the David Duke. We rememberthat he's kind of befuddled. And at
that time I would say, butnow he's he's got it as badly as
Biden has. Well who knows.I mean he sees seventy three. Now

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he's eight years younger than Joe Biden, right, but he's ed. We'll
get hey, Biden's president. SoI mean, you know it hadn't stopped
Bidding from being president right now.Well you got a point there, or
Trump from confusing Nikki Helly and andthat's all right, I please, But
Jeff behind another one better one thanYeah, But Jeff, before we go,

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we got to take a commercial break, and I do want to get
back and talk about post session andtalk a little bit about Biden and the
presidential race and what in his victoryin New Hampshire. But I would I
wouldn't say twenty five years. Idon't think either one of us thought we'd
still be doing this twenty five years. But in any thoughts, any perspective
looking back over this quarter century thatyou and I have been on the air,
well, I mean, you know, we've got an opportunity to interview

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a lot of amazing people, interactwith wonderful listeners. Obviously, feel like
we're doing a community service by providinginformation, so it is rewarding. It
might not be financially rewarding, butit's rewarding in that way, and that
you feel like you're helping people makedecisions, learn about topics, get to

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know candidates, and I do thinkthat is a public service, So I
feel gratified in that way. Certainly, there could have been a lot of
other things that both of us couldhave done that would have been a lot
more financially lucrative than radio, butit has been gratifying and rewarding in a
number of other ways. Well,both of you men have done a tremendous
job. It's amazing to see whatyou've accomplished, even against the tide,

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and even with terrestrial radio perhaps onits way out, and maybe y'all want
to comment on that, well,I will say that talk radio is the
one area that we've you still maintainedan audience because it's a theater of the
mind. Is Ed Butler used tosay, very well, and still keeps.
We're gonna take quick commercial break.We're joined by Jeff Career nine nine
am, my former partner, andwe're both celebrating our twenty fifth anniversary on

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bring you the truth, the wholetruth, and nothing but the truth.
So help us God. And nowwe've got two great truth tellers my partner

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here, Christopher Tidmore and Jeff Carreer, Christopher's old partner and was celebrating their
twenty five years on radio. Chrispherand Jeff tell us more. This has
been exciting to hear you stories.Well, it's kind of funny. We've
spent a lot of time talking presidentialraces. Jeff and I've covered quite We've
worked on ones, both of us. And I got to tell you,
if somebody won IOWA in New Hampshire, I would have said, just don't

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bother running another primary against him andNICKI Halley has, and so a lot
of people have been wondering what she'strying to do. Tracking polls right now
in South Carolina are putting a Trumpvictory somewhere between twenty five and thirty points.
And an interesting thing came out todayand it was Joseph Lieberman, the
former Senator freend John McCain in theWhole Works, former two thousand vice presidential

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candidate the Democratic ticket, essentially sayingNicky Halley would be very welcome on a
no labels ticket and that loser runslaws don't apply to vice president And Jeff,
I got to tell you, I'mlooking at this and I'm saying,
Okay, is Nicky Helly running inSouth Carolina get a good result? She
probably won't win in a closed Republicanprimary against Trump, but if she gets

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a good result, is she aimingto be either the presidential candidate or the
vice presidential candidate on a third partyeffort? Because I got to tell you,
I think Joe Mansion is running forpresident regardless no labels as our team
ballots now, you know, So, I mean, there's so many ways
to look at this. You've gotRobert F. Candy Junior who's running.
You know, you've got the Democratsand the question of whether Biden's going to

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make it and whether it's going tobe Michelle Obama or someone being inserted at
the end. And you've got theRepublican The issue is Trump going to be
able to actually be the nominee withall of these criminal cases going on.
Obviously, he's got the support ofthe Republican voters because he's now two and
oh he won Iowa and won NewHampshire in a in a very commanding way,

(27:18):
even though there was a lot ofmoney spent against him, obviously,
and then you've got the whole nolabel sing and what they're going to do
and Joe Mansion and I wouldn't besurprised if Nicky Hailey goes that route.
I mean, I don't think there'sany chance Trump would pick her as VP
because I think there'd be a lotof MAGA supporters who would be very upset.
Although some are trying to, youknow, push him in that direction,

(27:38):
I don't see that happening. Ithink if you've got to choose someone
that believes what he believes, well, I think if you get a South
Carolina on the South Carolinian on theticket. It was the gentleman who was
standing behind him. If somebody ranScott, I think there's him. You
know, he's one of the he'sone of the possibilities. Christy Nom.
I mean with all the possibilities,I think they're as a list of twenty

(28:00):
people that he could be looking at, he said that one of them stands
out. He wouldn't name who itis, and then he wound up saying
there's a twenty five percent chance thatis the person. So I think it's
still wide open, but I canguarantee you it's not going to be Nicki
Haley. So you maybe she doesgo third party, Maybe she does go
their labels, because she doesn't havea lot of knack of news, that's
for sure. Right If y'all noticethat central casting for the Republican Party is

(28:25):
loaded with top talent, and thenyou look at the Democrats side and they've
hardly got anybody. They got abunch of well like they've got the Village
idiot now as the president literally alow grade moron. Well, I mean
a lot of people had been talkingabout his Gavin Newsom. Yeah, but
he says and he's not I wouldn'tcall him top quality. Well, but
he's clever. He combs his hair, slicks his hair the right way,

(28:47):
and he's a very charming guy.But he's he's a lightweight when it comes
to being having done good. Page. You know what, he hurt himself
in the debate with Ron DeSantis.He didn't do that well, he did
not know because people showed him.Yeah, you see, you can see
a con Art is a slick operator. People don't want that for the policy.
We've had enough of that in politics. When we're fed up with that
con Art is running this country.The question is whether Gavin Newsom fits what

(29:11):
the Democrats are actually looking for inthat level. And then, of course
this is this is one of thequestions. I mean, there are two
sides to this. Of course.Right now, Donald Trump has lost lost
about a third of Republican voters whowho voted for him, using New Hampshire
as the example, But a thirdof the people who voted for Nikki Halley
on the Republican side said they wouldn'tvote for Trump. And at the same

(29:34):
time you had about twenty percent ofDemocrats who voted for the twenty percent who
voted for Dean of Phillips who saidthey wouldn't vote for Biden. So,
I mean, both parties have aproblem with their more modern days. And
that's what RFK. That's what RFKJunior was saying on TV the other night,
that he is has more favorability.Yeah, and is someone that could

(29:56):
actually tap into the discontent with bothparties. And you know, there's some
things that he stands for that Ibelieve in. I mean, yeah,
I'm here some positions I think he'son target. But then he's got some
very very liberal positions that I canabout well. And the problem, the
problem that RFK has is the factthat he's going to have a challenge getting
on the ballots. We talk aboutthe no Labels ticket, because they're already

(30:18):
on fourteen ballots. He's on sometotal of two and trying to get on
enough ballots to where he could becompetitive is not an easy thing. In
fact, the only person's ever pulledit off is Ross Parrot. So you
know, he said the other dayhe's going to be on fifty ballots,
So we'll see. We'll see.By the way, Nikki Haley, one
thing that's going to keep her goingis the way I understand that she's got
a lot of big money, deepdeep pockets of the Trump haters. That's

(30:41):
never trumpers of you know, theGeorge Sorrows type. No, it's not,
sir. They want her to stayin to cause as much trouble for
Trump as she can't. So she'snot I don't know that she's going to
be losing donors. Like first ofall, the Koch brothers are not going
to be referred to as the sameas the George sore As. There's kind
of the leader, the intellectual leaders, the libertary. Don't forget. Don't

(31:02):
forget Reid Hoffman. I mean he'sa big donor to her, and he's
a super left Yeah right, I'msaying they just are. They're going to
keep pumping money into her whether she'sa loser or not. She is right
now a big time well I thinkbecause they want to hurt Trump. That's
the whole thing behind. That's whyshe'll stay in. She'll have the money
to do it as soon as thedonors dropped, because they realize you can't
win, you can't just ended andher will know that her rationale And we've

(31:25):
got to move on to a littlebit more of a local topic. But
her rationale, of course, isshe's going into her home state and she
has a powerful argument. I'm goingto be the first one to say,
I don't think it works as somebodywho is sympathetic to her, is that
going into the state and saying,you voted for me once, can you
vote for me again? They won't. Well, I don't think it's gonna
work. Think they're gona vote forTrump. I don't think she's gonna make
it to dodge that for the governorHenry McMaster, anybody Henry McMaster's. Don't

(31:51):
you think she's gonna dodge South Carolina? Just not even go. No,
she's already she just definitely two milliondollars buy there. Well the end of
her for sure, she's going infull blast. Yeah, I mean she's
not playing in Nevada. I meanTrump's got Nevada line that's the next day
in South Carolina's down till February twentyfirst. So she's got a little campaign
time, not a lot, butsome. Jeff Carreer is joining Hi mc

(32:12):
kenry and Christopher Tidmore here in theFounder Show Ladies and Gentlemen, and he's,
of course, Jeff is a hoston nine to ninety in the morning
WGSO, and he's kind enough tocome with us because we're celebrating our twenty
fifth anniversary. We were reminiscing alittle bit, but we're talking a little
politics now, and I wanted toget your take coming out of the legislative
session, because a lot's been goingon. Jeff Landry had some big successes,

(32:36):
mostly creating a second African American majoritydistrict, and to be honest with
you, that drew the ire ofthe Speaker of the United States House of
Representatives, who the district was quoteprofessed to protect. He and Julia Letlow
saying why are you doing this beforeit went through the courts? Your thoughts,
Jeff Right, I don't think itwas a big success for him,

(32:58):
really, I didn't lie that.We talked earlier about the you know,
the final closed versus open primary legislationthat went through. I think that was
really not the kind of success hewas opening for. And then maybe he
got what he wanted in this district. But a lot of people I talked
to hate that district. I meanit's Jerryman. I mean it's racially Jerryman.

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Let's let it should not only shouldnot pass muster by the courts.
I mean, I think there area lot of Republicans that that are going
to be challenging though. Yeah,the question is will they have standing?
Because usually in order to challenge this, the only you have to have you
have to be said you were woundedby this. I think maybe Karric Graves
can make that argument, the challengewhat's fascinating about this whole thing? Even

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if you support a second African Americandistrict, and I've been sympathetic to that
idea, the logical one was todraw up the Mississippi River where Julia Letlow
was. This was done to recreatea district that the Hayes decision, in
the Hayes versus Louisiana decision in nineteenninety five said was racially motivated. It
looks exactly as in fact most people. Yeah, it's the same district.

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It's fifty two percent of the samevoters. And who was congressman back then,
Cleo Fields, and who was runningthis time, Clio Fields. And
so it's just I mean, andwho knew who knew that Cleo Fields was
so close to Jeff Landry. Ididn't know that. I mean you got
too, but they're they're close friends. I did not know that. I'm

(34:22):
not a big fan of Cleo Fields. I'm really not. I gotta tell
you I never forget that image ofhim stuff in cash in his pocket.
Do you remember that? We forgetthat? And he did not get indicted
in that thing that sent Edwin Edwardsto prison. And I've got to tell
you that in this situation, theperson who comes in who thwarted I can
give him a little credit. Hethwarted Jeff Landry on the Supreme Court battle.

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But is Cameron Henry. I mean, because there's a lot of people
who are saying, how did ina two thirds Republican legislature Cleo Fields end
up as head of Senate and GovernmentalAffairs? And of course we all know
the answer is like, yeah,I don't think we knew ahead of time.
I mean, was that was ahead scratcher? Like how did that
happen? Right? So we allthought, as Republicans, Wow, we've

(35:07):
got all this, we've got thispower, we got these these majorities.
And then the first thing that's doneis to give the Democrats another seats,
and I mean, it's it's amazing, And to give Cleo Fields this top
position, and again Cleo Field's aseat in Congress. I'm thinking, what
happened here in a district that welaugh about jerry manders, But it's based
on the idea of the salamander thatEldert Jerry Gary put in as the first

(35:31):
gerrymander district. This looks like asalamander. It's it's when we say it's
this Gary, it literally looks likeone flimy amphibian. The funny thing about
all of this was the purpose waspolitically motivated, was to get rid of
Garrett Graves, the opponent of JeffLandry, who supported Steve wagons Back,
who did not necessarily rushed, andI disagreed with him. I thought he

(35:52):
should have immediately embraced Steve Scale's bidfor speaker. He didn't. But this
was so targeted and it may backfire. Talking to a couple people close to
Gerrett Graves, I did a storyfor the Louisiana Weekly that's in this week's
edition Louisiana Weekly dot in Shameless Plucks. But what it basically said is the
distance from Garrett Graves's house to JuliaLetlow's district, which now looks like a

(36:16):
giant l going from Morehouse Parish borderingon Arkansas to Washington Parish bordering on Hancock
County, Mississippi facing the Gulf Coast. Talk about a district that's kind of
odd to self. At least itfollows the Misissippi River. There's nothing stopping
him from going a mile away fromhis house and running. And that's forty
three percent of his constituents in allof this to defend Julia letlow If you're

(36:38):
Garrett Graves, You're like, whatdo I have to lose? Why don't
I just go a mile and run? I'm wondering. I mean, Julia
Letlowe is a relatively new member ofCongress, and they did move heaven or
to defend her. And you know, if you look at her voting record,
she's not a staunch conservative. Imean, she is what I would
consider more of a rhino. SoI wonder why. I mean, that's

(36:59):
what we always say that Garrett Graves, he's too much of a rhino.
But I would assume there's a lotof similarity in Garrett graves voting record and
Julia Letlow's voting record. So itwas amazing they moved head on earth to
protect her, and now maybe they'llthrow the two of them in a race
against each other. That's happened before. You know, when we've lost congressional
seats, we could be on theverge of losing another congressional seat in five

(37:22):
years, so all this could bejust for a very short term deal.
If I was a big man,I'd say we are going to lose another
congressional seat, and I wouldn't takethat back because I think you're very much
correct. I'd also point out thelast time that we drew two Republicans essentially
together, It's not exactly what happened, it was pretty close to it.
Who was the who were the twocity congress and one of them might be

(37:44):
sitting in the governor's mansion? Couldit be Jeff Landry? Which was you
know, it's part of the motivationto the closed primary. Obviously it was
the reward, but part of itwas that he remembered that if it in
an open primary, Charles Bustani beathim. So, you know, we'll
see how this plays out, butit's it's going to be kind of interesting.
I think we haven't heard the lastof this. I think you are

(38:05):
going to see a challenge on this. Jeff Carere is joining us, so
I hope. So, I justdon't know who can challenge it. I
just don't know who the agreement now. Mike Ahan, the legislator that we
both know, is eager to doit. Yeah, So I mean,
we'll see, as you say,the whole issue of standing, and we'll
see where that goes. But Ijust think it's an abomination. So I
do hope it's challenged. And youknow, Jeff Carer, I'm glad you

(38:28):
brought Mike's name up because he's goingto be on the show with us next
week. So it's wonderful for tuitoustiming. My friend Jeff Cares joining Hi,
McHenry and Christopher tim Moore here inthe Founder Show. We're celebrating our
twenty fifth anniversary of being on theradio, when Jeff and I started on
WTIX six ninety am, and weboth continued on various radio stations. He's
on WGSO now and so we're inWR and WSLA and we're coming out of

(38:50):
the legislative session. Obviously there wereother developments. I thought one of the
more interesting things and really where JeffLandry lost and had his head handed to
him. Is the thing that nobodyin the press is talking about, and
it's one of the most consequential things. It's the Supreme Court, second African
American District. Jeff Landry wanted toexpand the court to nine seats, which
isn't Actually I'm going to be defendhim. It's not a bad idea.
It's kind of a simpler answer todoing it, but it was. The

(39:14):
legislature didn't just say no to that. They said no to a second but
it was it was the one timewhere they all looked at him and almost
bipartisanally said no. It was andit was a big defeat, which frankly,
nobody's talking about. And I'm astonishedby that. Right Well, I
mean, all the all the attentionhas really been given to the other issues.
But you're right, I mean,it was something that was a surprise

(39:35):
because I think the Supreme Court justiceswanted this, right, yeah, very
rang and Landry wanted it too,but it didn't get the attention and it
failed. And you know, Iwonder about you know, the whole the
why did we have to do thisas a specially I guess the timing and
the judge you know, demanding adecision by I guess it was January thirty

(40:00):
or she was going to do it, Shelley. All concept of all these
I hate the whole concept of allthese special sessions. You know, we're
going to have another special session comingup on crime, and mean the regular
session. You know, Texas doesit differently. They had their legislators only
meet once every two years, right, and they seem to be doing things
better than we do well, andthey don't meet as often at the mess

(40:22):
at the government that governs best.Well, yeah, they have to,
they have to categorize this. Butit's also I mean one small thing that
the Lieutenant governor is the president ofthe Senate, so you have a statewide
elected official who can tell the governor, no, I don't want a special
session. It's kind of a there'sa there's a power differential that we haven't

(40:42):
had Louisiana since nineteen seven. Andjust remember those folks. The only time
our money is safe is when thelegislators are not meeting well. And that's
I got to tell you, Jeff, that's that's the part that bothered me,
you know. And and this isand I brought this up during his
campaign. I was very happy heappointed somebody you know well, Richard Nelson,
to the head of the Revenue Office, but because Nelson was the only

(41:04):
one talking about major tax reform,and Jeff Landry, frankly, in that
entire race hasn't talked about any formof income tax reform, and so far
hasn't either. We're talking a lotabout transgender issues, we're talking a lot
about crime, which is a validissue, but we're not talking about how
to make Louisiana more competitive with theaforementioned Texas and Florida. And you know,
that has been my issue from thevery beginning that I think we have

(41:28):
been losing out on out migration.I mean, and it's we're losing tor
rational seats. We could lose another. We've got to become more competitive.
We've got to draw more business here, more people here, and that to
me is the number one issue.I understand crime is horrible. I understand,
you know, education is a problem. Jeff Landry focused mostly on crime
and education, but the economic pieceis huge, and yeah, we've got

(41:52):
to be competitive. We're losing,we're losing like crazy to all these other
states. So we've got plenty thatwe can benchmark, see what they're doing
over there, and implement it here. And some that won't cost us any
money. For example, if weput a cap on the amount of income
tax that you take, you know, that would work. We could get
actually right, there's ways that wecould do it within the budget. And

(42:13):
so and I wish we'd have moreRepublicans talking about that instead of everything else.
And we can also cut the budget. Now, oh, the budgets.
Oh Jeff, don't don't compose somethingthat's abusible, you know, come
on, cut the budget. Haveyou ever seen that Louisia. You have
a riot and meritable riot in thehalls of our sacredly you know. When
you and I started back in thelate nineteen nineties, in two thousand and

(42:36):
three, I mean, the budgetfor the state of Louisiana was in the
team. It's like fifteen sixteen billion. Now is triple that forty seven billion
dollars. So you think of that. Twenty years have gone by. We've
tripled the budget, but we havean increased the population at all. We've
lost congressional seats. The state governmentkeeps going up, but we the population
keeps going down or stagnant. Sothat's not the it's your growing government is

(43:00):
not the answer. And I thinkwe can show and there should be more
concentration of how do we grow peoplein Louisiana than grow spending. I'm the
first one to agree with you there. Jeff Carrera has been joining us here
on the Founder's Show, and Jeff, of course, everyone loves you on
wgs O and uh, you knowyou're on in the mornings for four hours,

(43:20):
but they can also get you.You have these wonderful uh YouTube videos
and you've got everything available at yourwebsite, ringside politics dot com. And
I love reading your columns and soon and so forth and following you as
well. And I'm proud that westarted out together writing a column and starting
a radio show and your politics withthe Pods is great. Jeff, great,
thank you. Yeah, I loveI love seeing you there. We

(43:42):
got one coming up soon and it'salways a lot of fun, and yeah,
just have a good time, enjoydoing it. And it was fun
getting started with you, Chris,and I'm glad you and Hi have a
successful show. And yeah, Imean it's an honor to be with you
all today to talk about all theall the big issues. Jeff gott it's
really blessed. Within the first fewmonths of starting, we shot up to
being the number one rated weekend showon wr NO that Arbitron ratings. And

(44:07):
I promise you I don't know howto do that. I don't like Christopher
really knew how to do that.God did that for us. I'm totally
wish you knew the whole story onit. It's astounding how that happened,
and it's holding. And I hadpeople all the time coming to me,
Oh, I love you show lot. It happened that this past at least
his funeral, I had more peoplecome up saying, oh, I had
no one guy hadn't seen since highschool. Yeah, and we love the

(44:30):
show. And we're going to celebratein February our tenth anniversary doing this show
in WRN. Now I'm going tocelebrate being there. I'm actually will celebrate
like eighteen years at WRNO. AndJeff, you've been at WGSO since pretty
much became a talk station. Howlong have you been there doing it?
Yeah? Yeah, So it's beenseventeen years since we started WGSO as a

(44:51):
talk station and that was that wasthe first Boys on wgsshow at five am
in two thousand and seven as atalk station. We were Norse or Talk
for a few years New Orleans andthat was when the namer was no no,
no, no, no, no, no. J this is what
WS no, that's that's a differentstation. Okay. You know, Jeff
and I share that thing. Wewere both the first voice that killed this

(45:13):
previous station. I did it onWright. So but you've done a great
job in gs O. I've beenproud when you've had me on and it
really is And Jeff, thank youfor joining. Jeff your four hours,
aren't you for four hours? Fourhours, seven to eleven in the morning,
and I would I would love y'allto come join me on the air.
Thanks for him love to do that. Congratulations because that's a hard show.

(45:34):
Four hours, folks, that's likethat's that man's like working fifteen hours
in a day getting a four hoursshowday. It really is very amazing.
Imagine two to three hours of prepfor every hour in your air, folks.
Jeff, happy twenty fifth anniversary ofbeing on the radio. It's I'm
proud to know you. I'm proudto call you a partner, even after
all these years. Have another greattwenty five years. I hope we're still
breathing when it comes around. Weof the great work, Jeff, because

(45:57):
you are a champion for constitutional conservatithe values, and that's we're in a
desperate battle for that, as youknow, and you're standing strong. Thank
you, Jeff. Thank you somuch. God, but thank you gentlemen,
Thank you all very much, appreciateit. Thank you, and folks,
we'll be back with the patriotic momenthere with mckenry and tidmore after these
important messages. Stay tuned more ofthe Founder show here in WR and O
and WSLA. Well, howiday,folks, is Chapahi mcinry and I'm here

(46:23):
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(47:08):
And thank you so very very muchthat ols, well, folks are
back and you are listening to theFounder, so the voice of the Founding
fathers, your Founding fathers, andnow it's time for us to go into
our chaplain. Bye, bib patrioticmoment. We just take a brief moment
to remind you of the biblical foundationsof our country, our Judeo Christian jurisprudence.

(47:31):
And today we want to talk aboutnone other than that great old Founding
Father, one of my favorites,Patrick Henry. He was considered to be
one of the greatest trial lawyers ofhis day. If you needed the best
lawyer in town anywhere from Maine toGeorgia, you got him. He was
that great. He's also known asthe orator of the American Revolution. And

(47:52):
remember give me liberty to give medeath, that famous speech he had for
us, well, folks after theAmerican Revolution, and we had won against
overwhelming odds. Nobody can understand howwe won was it is totally amazing impossibility,
but we won. And Patrick Henrywas approached and asked, how did
we do it? Against old whelmingeyes? How do we have such great
success? And his answer was this. This cannot be too overly emphasized or

(48:14):
often stated. America did not winbecause of religion or religionists. America won
because of its evangelical faith in theredeemer of this world, the Lord Jesus
Christ. Folks, I think oldPatrick Henry understood grace. He understood that
we're saved by grace through faith.And even that is not of ourselves.

(48:37):
It is a gift of God,not in the words, not religion,
not religion, but it is agift of God, not of works.
Let's any mention of both. Thatword grace means gift. Folks. I
don't know about you, but I'msure glad our finding fathers didn't kick God
out of government, and whatever youdo, don't kick God out of you.
And if you have, I'm gonnashow how you can get him back.

(48:58):
If you haven't, then you needto get him in you. If
he's not in you yet, Andwe're going to go into that right now
as we go into our chaplain byebye gospel moment, where again we just
take a brief moment to show youhow you can know that. You know
that, you know you're saved froma burning hell and you're guaranteed heaven.
You know, the Bible says,for God's soul love the world, that's
you, that's everybody. God's aGod of great love. The Scripture even

(49:20):
says God is love, and Godso loved the world that he gave you.
See, because God's a lover,He's a giver. This is all
about his gracious giving to us.That for God's so love the world that
he gave his only begotten son.That's the Lord, Jesus Christ, perfect
God, perfect man, all theway God, all the way man.
He gave his only begotten son.That whosoever that's you, that is I,

(49:42):
that's everybody. He gave his onlybegotten son. That whosoever believeth in
him, what do you believe?Believe that he died for all of your
sins, was buried and rose fromthe day. When I say all your
sins, I mean from the dayyou're born, of the day you die,
your tiniest your greatest sins. Hegave his only begotten son, that
whosoever that's you again, believeth inhim that he died for all your sins

(50:05):
and rosemen dead, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. What's it
take, folks, believe on theLord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be
safe. Believe that he died forall of your sins on the cross,
was buried and rose from the deadto win for you his precious free gift
of resurrection, everlasting life. Ifyou've never done this before, please do

(50:27):
it now. Don't wait till it'stoo late, like the old country preacher
said, And as the Word ofGod says, now today is a day
of salvation. Well, folks,it's not time for us to talk about
Jesus coming back, because he's comingback soon. As we're now going to
our watchman on the wall, andtoday we're going to talk about the world
blowing up. Not a nice topic, but you know, the atomic clock

(50:52):
has been set now closest to midnightthan it ever has. You look at
all the things going on in theworld, rush of the Ukraine, Middle
East, is little Syria, Iran. You know, all the hot spots
the Turkey. I mean, itjust goes on and on all right,
even in this Western humans for Venezuelaand is having a great war, folks.

(51:12):
Their war is popping up all overthe place. And many of these
countries have nuclear capabilities, and allit takes is for one of them to
launch and then the next thing,you know, the one that's upon whom
it's launched, they will then respondand the next thing, you know,
the allies will get their various allieswill get in and they'll start launching,
and for you know, the wholeworld is launching nukes. And guess what,

(51:34):
that's the end of planet Earth.That's the end of the human race.
The human rights will finally have fearedout a way, in all of
its grand stupidity to self exterminate.Folks were so close to that right now.
You know. The scripture even saysthat if Jesus delayed his coming there
would be no flesh left. Thinkabout that, folks, Now that was
said, think about it two thousandyears ago. Well, folks, they

(51:59):
couldn't possibly know how they could selfexterminate. There wasn't an army or a
bunch of armies wherever that could roamthe whole world and kill everybody. And
then what would they do kill themselvesafter that? No? How could there
be no flesh left? It's impossiblefor centuries. The critics of scripture criticize,
ridicule, mock the Bible. Yousee, you can't trust the Bibles.

(52:19):
Guess what, folks, I can'tsay that anymore can they? Because
we know that there is a possibilityfor the planet Earth to self destroke thanks
to the human race, by theway, for us to totally self annihilate
ourselves. We need to save yourfolks. Do you have yours? Well,
I tell you what Jesus said,Go to the caves, let the
rocks come upon you. Mean buildingbunkers. If you need a bunker,

(52:43):
I got the best bunker going.I'm not selling it here, but you
can check it out with Heavenly ManufacturingCompany. And the best bunker you'll ever
get is the Lord Jesus Christ.Go get yourself one, right now?
What does it cost you? Faith? That's all it takes. Believe that
Jesus did die for our you sinsand Rosamond dead, And I promise a
folks, you will be safe,no matter how terrible it gets in the
future, but Jesus is not goingto delay his coming and he will save

(53:07):
the entire planet. Thank you,Lord Jesus. Well, it's not time
for us to go. It's aclose with them on Saint Martin singing a
creole goodbye and God bless all outthere. We call you weel goodbye.

(53:30):
They think we're just wasting the timeneeded. All three Sable love me.
It is time for Creo goodbye.