May 21, 2024 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and
Getty and Armstrong and Getty live from the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
See see a signor a dimly lit room deeper than
the bowels of the Armstrong and Getting Communications Compound. Hey, y'all,
today we are under the tutelage of our general manager.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You know what I've got? I forgot? You got Anyboddy?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That guy who was mouthing off in the trial yesterday,
what's his name?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Bob Costello? Stello? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Can I tell you why? I we'll talk about that.
It's it's real good. Can I tell you why I
forgot to come up with a general manager? I was
going through emails for mailbag, and a couple of people
talked about how they became addicted to opioid pills, a
question you'd ask late in the show yesterday. Here's my
main takeaway.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
If you're using a band saw, use it very carefully. Okay,
take great care. Take your time using a band saw.
Just got done reading an email. I'm going to need
to recover from it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh wow really?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh bloody and oh the pain this
guy's describing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Ugh, sorry, well you need to move on. Maybe we don't. So.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The one of the news stories of the day is
fentanyl is now the leading killer of Is it everybody
under forty nine or just men under forty nine?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Eighteen to forty nine?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I believe in general, and I think that fits into
the story somewhat, or maybe it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I brought up the idea that I'm I'm taking some
hardcore painkillers really for the first time in my life, uh,
since my motorcycle wreck. And I was just I was
asking the question, what's the path, I mean, what's the
what's the process of becoming an addict?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, what's what's it look like as opposed to
using painkillers the way you're supposed to use them to
kill pain?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And we got a whole bunch of texts about that
and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I suppose all those fentanyl deaths they're gonna mostly
be people doing it recreationally. Of course, you get you
can get hooked on pain pills and the next thing
you know, you're doing fentanyl on the street.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I guess, oh yeah, yeah, very common. Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I talked to I talked to a guy about it
last night. I still don't have a very clear answer
because I've I've heard different, such different stories from different
people on how they slid from taking it from you know,
they were in a car wreck or hurt their knee
playing basketball or whatever, and the next thing they.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Know, they're a heroin addict. Which is a little trying
to ask with a bandsaw.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I'm really trying to avoid introducing being a heroin
addict into my life at this point. I feel like
it would affect the show, never mind your Fatherhood and
the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But anyway, we got a ton of texts and emails
from people who have or have had family members who
did it. And then the fact that news story that's
out today that fentanyl is the leading killer.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Eighteen to forty nine in America. Right now, that's nuts. Yeah, yeah,
it is not a way you can die.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's the way you're going to die if you're eighteen
to forty five actually, for what it's worth, but that
should horrify everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, it certainly takes it from something you probably should
talk to your kids about to of course you would.
It's the leading killer of people their age for the
next several decades. Yeah, And I think the one thing
we need to get past is the feeling and I've
had it my self that hey, people are abusing drugs.
It's a dangerous road to go down, and it's a
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crying shame. It's a tragedy when a young person dies
of a drug overdose.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Bah bah bab. But they're using drugs etca centa.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
When you combine the awful, awful addictive qualities of a
lot of the painkillers in America that are being well
around the world, that are being legitimately prescribed, and that
can drag you down that road, plus the standard drug
usage I was talking about, and then you've got the
person who thinks they're taking fairly innocent drug a and
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ends up dead because they're fentanyl in it, because there
was fentanyl in it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We just we need to.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Take a serious look at a society, as a society,
at what we're doing and how we can do it differently,
policing the border, for the love of all it's holy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Half a dozen different things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So I ask a guy I know last night if
he'd ever had any experience with the pain pills, and
I was a little hesitant to ask him because a
number of I haven't number of friends, acquaintances, family members
who have never taken pain pills and never would under
any circumstances oral surgery, forget it. I don't take pain medication.
(05:11):
I know lots of guys like that. I'm somewhere in
between the take it for everything and that take it
for nothing crowd. But this guy I asked last night,
I kind of was afraid. Is when I brought up
being a you ever take pain pills?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hell?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, I'm not a you know, euphemism, bodcat, I don't
take pain pills. And because he's a big, hard ass dude,
and he said, oh yeah, I've taken lots of pain pills.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I hate pain. I absolutely hate pain.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So I've had this surgery at this the cancer runces
blah blah blah. And he had a lot of experience
with a lot of pain pills, which was helpful for me.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's like you were talking about this yesterday. Different people
have different experiences. Not only do we all have different
pain thresholds, And how would you have the slightest idea
if your pain threshold is higher than most people's or lower.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
There's no way to know that, right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But yeah, so obviously pain could feel different for different people. Well,
sure you mentioned this too, because I've had this experience
with two kids. They had completely different reactions to pain,
and I mean it was pretty clear because they were
too young to, you know, have any other reason to
react to pain this way. One of them hardly felt
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it at all, and the other one it was just
it was the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, just and some of that's your emotional makeup too,
the way you're built.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, so I don't know, I don't know how you
figure that that whole thing out. People said, if you're
taking it for the euphoric feeling, Well, that seems pretty
obvious to me that if I'm if you're taking pain
pills for the euphoric feeling, that is not what you're
supposed to be doing. But I've never gotten a euphoric
feeling from a pain pills, right. And then there's that
whole aspect of addiction where your brain lies to you,
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right at which you were expressing concern about yesterday. That's
my biggest contually feeling that much pain or is my
brain telling me?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Because it really wants one of those pills.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's my biggest concern, because how the hell would you
tell the difference if you've got an actual injury, if
the fentanyl or whatever the hell you're taking is tell
is faking the pain so you'll take more of it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
How are you supposed to deal with that arguing with
your brain? With your brain, Shut up brain, stupid brain.
We'll have to talk more about that later. You're right,
that should be a way bigger story the number. I mean,
of all the stupid crap they teach in school, are
they talking about the dangers of fentanyl anywhere?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I hope so.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, they're they're teaching your eight year old that he's
a little girl instead of the dangers of drugs sick.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I like it when you make statements like that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's true, I don't know it as a certain old
timey am talk radio sound to it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's what I'm going for.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's fantastic we should take And this is this is
something for me. I've reached a point where I how
do I put this? I think a certain level of
bald fisted bluntness is appropriate to the battles we are
waging in American society.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think the other side is coming so hard, and
they are so evil, and some of their dopey adherents
are just dopey. But it's so dangerous that I think,
you know, the friendly engagement, let's talk about this, it's
just not going to work anymore. I think they need
to be battered into submission. Verbally speaking, Well, it helps.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You know, if you're worried about your job and your reputation, whatever,
the tide seems to be turning or have turned on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, depending where you are, of course, but.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and well Bill Maher was on Greg Guttfeld Show
on Fox last night, which gets huge ratings, and we're
going to play the clips later of it. But he said,
I understand why people vote for Trump. He said, people
see him as a bulwark against the craziness of the left.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And there is a lot of craziness on the left.
And he's right about that. I just heard it's because
they're racist. You certainly can't.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, if you're worried about all this stuff, it's
certainly hard to vote for the guy that's going to
further that, take that farther on down the railroad track.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Of no nightiness, no that'd be a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Anyway, we should start to show officially, which will lead
us into the other topic, which which our general manager.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday,
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fingers of.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Democracy. Here we go, at Mark, I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Shocked that we are hearing it for the first time
on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen, that
the prosecution did not take the sting out, did not
front it. We're talking about four hundred and twenty thousand
dollars we've already seen the paper started like.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
A fifteen bucks, not a teen box. This is a bomb.
This is really important.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
This is a bomb dropped in the middle of the
prosecution's case.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So that was CNN's reaction to the testimony earlier in
the day where we all found out that Cohen had
been stealing from Trump quite a bit, and they portrayed that,
as you heard there on CNN, as a bomb. And
I thought, man, everything is going Trump's way today. And
then later some guy that he demanded his lawyers put
(10:51):
on the stand decided to get crossways with the judge.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They brought on a surprise witness who wanted to fight
the judge right in classic Trump's style, you know, like
when he used to have the greatest debate performance anybody'd
ever seen, and instead of like letting the echo chambers sink.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
In for twenty four hours, he would do something nuts.
That became the the other story that covered all that
step on his own success.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I actually have an alternate interpretation of that witness.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It was it was a hell of a dramatic turn
of events. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, And is it wrapping up today? Is that
the belief?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think the defense is gonna arrest their case today
and then closing arguments are next week.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Why did they wait that long for closing army? No,
It's like the NBA playoffs. They just string it out.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, play one game and then game two is like
a month from now. Okay, how does mailbag look?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh? It'll do. It's fine, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So on the way text line four one five two
nine five k FTC. There's a piece in the Atlanta
I want to read from later, explaining from a political
science standpoint on how you should not be feeling bad
(12:09):
about the economy. You're wrong about how you're interpreting these
grocery prices, restaurant prices, of everything. It's unintentionally hilarious. We'll
talk about that later. Wow, the Atlantic prints some garbage. Wow,
here's your freedom love quote of the day. I love
this one, Love, love, love this one, Patrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Should I keep back my opinions at such a time
through fear of giving offense? I should consider myself as
guilty of treason towards my country and of an act
of disloyalty towards the majesty of Heaven, which I revere
above all earthly kings. One more time, with the right inflection.
Should I keep back my opinions at such a time
through fear of giving offense? I should consider myself as
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guilty of treason as toward my country as to the heavens.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's an interesting way to look at it. If you're
not being honest about your opinions out loud. You're being
treason us to our project. Yes, and it could be
argued toward all that is good and decent, whether you
are a a religious person.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
A godly person or not. That's an interesting thought.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And I really hesitate to come off as high handed
about this stuff because we have earned through long years
an ability to say what the hell we want and
indeed make a living at it. And if you are
a you know, assistant principal of some middle school and
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you're feeding your family through that, yeah, you're working in
a hospital system that is avowedly woke, and you don't
dare I do not want to come off as high
handed and judgmental towards you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
On the other hand, just let me just let's plant
that seed that you're in a position your employer and
the woke have put you in. They are forcing you
to hold back your opinion and be treason this towards
your country and your beliefs. Maybe you can do something
(14:16):
about that, maybe long term, mailbag who it's a hell
of a thing, and that's the way you need to
look at it. These people are putting me in that position.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
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Speaker 1 (14:36):
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Speaker 3 (14:37):
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Armstrong and Getty on demand. My husband is an electrician
actively avoids all talk of politics. Within the last two weeks,
he said, wait, Trump is running for president again.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I said yes, Not only is he running, he's secured
the Republican nomine faster than any candidate in history.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
He asked who's he running against. I told him Joe Biden,
to which he responded, no way. How is this happening again?
While it blows my mind you just learned about our
twenty twenty four octogenarian matchup, I have to think he's
more normal A sample of an.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Average American that is so interesting. I heard a pundit
the other day saying, you have no idea how many
people in America that will vote who are going to
be surprised to find out it's a Biden Trump rematch?
And I thought, oh, I can't be that many people,
but there's one there even if it's twenty percent. That's
an enormous I'm sure, yeah, how interesting. Let's see out
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of nowhere or I can't figure out why Tom from
SoCal Rights, guys, have you heard of this German word
backfeiffen geshichte I sluttered thatfeifeen ghziqe a funny sounding word.
Backfeifeen ghziqe, A face in need of a fist.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Try to make a list nomine he is Adam schiff.
That's a good word.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I need to learn.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Face in need of a fist. We all use schottenfreud,
no violence. We all use schadenfreud, and my family use
feterinaid a lot. I don't know if we're pronouncing that right,
but we use that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's when you regret what you ordered and wish you
had with the other person. Eight is eating we get
every time we're at a restaurant. We are with yes, yes,
Well let's see. Nick the marine writes, excuse me, I'm
on the cleansing my system of the the COVID part
(16:39):
of the disease. Lots of coffin and sneezing.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Anyway, he says, h piling on what Jay said vis
email about keeping track of one's chief executive, whether it's
a run or the United States when they're flying. I've
performed air defense and airspace management in several countries in
the past almost twenty years now. One thing that stands
out more than anything else is the normous energy that
goes into flight following Air Force one. Globally, we don't
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lose track for so much as a second.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And Iran's president was flying around in a fog and
a helicopter and crashed, and Iran reached out to the
US and everybody said, can you help us find him?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
We don't know where he is.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, that's it. That's an embarrassing situation. You got your
president flying around in a sixties helicopter that's poorly maintained
and you can't keep track of it. I'll tell you
where he is. Hell, Hell is where he is. We're
haul hoping. What happened in the Trump trail yesterday.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Armstrong and Getty, So, there were.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Two big developments in the Trump trial yesterday. Will set
aside for now, the Coen admitting he was stealing for Trump,
because that that's a big, big thing on its own.
But then later, this witness that Trump himself wanted his
guys to bring up on the stand. This Costello guy
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got jumpy with the judge and it was wacky and
we'll we'll have to explain it all. But this is
kind of how it sounded as was happening live on
CNN yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I'm texting sources inside the court room whenne are close
to Costello, asking them effectively that what the hell I mean?
Rob Costello certainly wants to testify in this case. He
has personal animis towards Michael Cohen. He's clearly there to
undercut his credibility. But to get in such a tussle
with the judge over seeing this case that he cleared
the courtroom perceiving some sort of security risk, I mean,
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that is extraordinary. I've spoken to the Costello for years,
I know him quite well. This is out of character.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
One possibility I'm going to raise is usually the motivation
for most people who act out either in civil or
criminal court in front of former President Trump, which is
they are performing for an audience of want this could
very okay.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
So that's how it happened as it was happening liow
from the courtroom. And this guy was, and we can
play more clips of the descriptions of this this costello guy.
He was staring down the ju judge and making comments
like anything the judge would say, he would make a
smart act like oh Jesus smart comment exactly, Yeah, well,
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Paula Reid should be banned from commenting on any judicial
procedure that was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The courtroom cleared perhaps, or what did she what did
she say?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Precisely, the courtroom cleared? Security risk?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Something, yes, something about for a security perceived security risk?
You little twit? Sorry, do you clear the courtroom? Always,
as the judge, before you chew somebody out, you don't
choose somebody out in front of the jury. And in
this case, he was going to chew out everybody, including
the attorneys and the witness and saying, all right, we're
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reigning this the f inn.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Now. I think this judge is terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think his it's like a referee that loses con
troll of a game. He lost control of the game
and then had to go to a fairly strong measure
to regain control of it. But the idea that he
was afraid there the guy was going to like leap
over the bench and attack everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Come on, well, uh, which which description of this do
we want? Well, I tell you, if you were just
looking for description, I'll let you choose. Andy McCarthy of
the National Review had some just terrific analysis on Special Report.
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I wanted to get to the what actually happened first? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because the idea that the guy was rolling his eyes
at the judge when the judgment say things, or staring
him down. At at one point the judge said, are you
staring me down right now? Yeah, Here's what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The judge had declared to the attorneys that Costello's testimony
had to be arrow to a certain couple of topics, okay.
And then as Costello was answering answering questions, the prosecution
kept objecting, and and then Andy McCarthy will uh will uh, well,
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we'll deal with that. But Costello was reacting to the
judges either upholding or over or rejecting the objections.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Right, and the judge would make a ruling, you know,
it's sustained or right or not.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And then sometimes Castell would say wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Just that would have boiled down to that in a
court room or it's completely on control.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean, there's no way you can function. Oh, I
agree completely. Yeah, he was a referee that lost control
of the game.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Uh so, Yeah, this guy's muttering and rolling his eyes
with all the objections and stuff like that. Do you
have a do you have a an idea why this
Costello guy was acting this way? I mean he's a
regular on all the cable news shows. I mean every
cable news show had clips of him from the last
week or two. I mean, he's a smart guy. He
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knows how things work. Why was he doing that? Did
he actually lose his composure and was reacting this way?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Or was it a strategy from Trump of some sort?
I don't think. So let's go ahead. I keep not
answering because I don't want to steal Andy McCarthy's thunder
and have you all hear it twice? But role clip
fifty two, Michael, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I think it got very contentious at the end. There
was clearly a lot of tension between Bob Costello, the
witness it was called by the defense case, and Judge
march On.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Judge march On's rulings seemed.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
To be a little bit erratic, Bob Costello is a
very experienced, savvy New York defense lawyer, obviously didn't understand
how the same question seemed to produce a sustained objection
and an overruled objection seriatum. And he got a little
bit exasperated, and then the judge got exasperated because Bob
got exasperated. So that's kind of close out we had today.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So this is a really experienced defense attorney, and the
judge sustains the objection, then the next minute it's the
same objection and he overrules it. And this experienced attorneys
like it's like I said, it's a player who's exasperated
because the referees have lost control of the game and
are calling a terrible game.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you don't.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So it was not a he went in there with
the strategy of I'm gonna, like, you know, cause a scene.
He just was frustrated with the way the thing was
being handled.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, and I'm not saying you got to act like that,
but that was McCarthy's take, wrung true to me. The
rest is pretty interesting to hit us with fifty three, Michael.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I think to remember that's important is that Cohen testified
that he lied to Costello.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So okay, that's about Okay, that's good, Michael, that's going
to be helpful to the defense. That's about the uh,
the the what Cohen testimony, and we've heard dreams about that.
That's plenty. I thought this was the really really interesting
part because remember, we still haven't.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Gotten to a solid description of what is.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
This underlying crime that makes the accounting errors of felony,
and Andy McCarthy speaks to one proposed witness that really
frustrated me hearing about this. We'll do fifty four first, Michael,
and I think the important.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Thing as far as Trump's concern in terms of taking
what the prosecution is giving him, if Trump were the
person that prosecutors portrayed who watches every penny and was
thinking about the campaign laws, then he would have used
campaign funds.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
To pay these NDAs.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
There's no reason to think that he wouldn't have done that,
and then just put legal expenses on his FEC disclosures,
just as they put legal expenses in.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The business records.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
So I don't think there's any evidence that Trump was
even thinking about the campaign laws, let alone that he
willfully violated them.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, So now we're getting into the actual underlying crime,
and McCarthy's making the point that this doesn't even look
like that crime to me. And this is one more
reason everybody's getting frustrated with the judge fifty five.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
The expert that the defense wanted to bring I guess
Brad Smith.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
The FEC expert. The judges saying no, go yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I think it's pretty outrageous too, because the judge allowed
the prosecutors to elicit from Cohen and Pecker that they, respectively,
Cohen pled guilty to two campaign finance charges and Pecker
had a non prosecution agreement. So he's essentially let the
jury be instructed by Cohen and Pecker on the law.
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And here you have Brad Smith, someone who actually knows
campaign finance law, and merch On's keeping him off the
witness stand.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So it's super controversial in getting into the legal weeds
that he let Pecker and Cohen talk about pleading guilty
to crimes.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Supposed to do that in court.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You can't use that to impugne the defendant, saying, wow,
these guys pled guilty to the crimes and they were wait,
this guy's accused of that crime, So that means that's
strict for Boten to get back to a German lesson
in the courts. And so the judge let those two
witnesses kind of convey that yes, Trump violated campaign finance laws.
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There's an expert witness, and he said no, no, no,
we don't need him to talk about campaign finance law.
So this thing, if it goes, if it gets a conviction,
and it won't, will be overturned so quick the appeals
court might do it on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, but probably not quick enough before the election.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, that won't matter anyway. What won't matter any outcome.
You don't think it'll have any effect on the voting.
I only look at this through the political ends. That's
the only way I ever think about this case. So
if he's you know, the whole, it'll be appealed and overturned.
Well okay, But if it's after the election, then the
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damage is done, if there's any damage to be done.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, I guess it's conceivable that the low information voter,
which we were discussing just a few moments ago, here's
he got convicted of campaign financed something.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They might say the ads will be especially if it's
a felony. If it's not that weird misdemeanor trick that
the Wall Street Journal was talking about yesterday. But if
it's a felony, the ads will be non stop. Trump
is a felon. We've never had a president who was
a felon. It'll be brought up in the debate. It'll
be mentioned a million times before November that Trump is
a felon if he has found guilty of a felony.
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And I know so, I don't know how that lands
on most voters. I have no idea, but I'd rather
not have to face that headwind, especially if it's a
bogus case.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Now we'll get into the detail.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Would more let judge Verschond judge a local chili contest?
He needs to be barred from judging anything on earth.
He should not judge a local dog show.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well, first of all, you should have different judges for
dog shows and chili contests.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They're completely different skill sets.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
His wife shouldn't even ask him do you like this
paint or this paint? He can't judge effing anything, you
know what, Bard from judging anything the rest of his life.
But we'll have to later get into the whole. Why
is it significant that Cohen admitted to stealing large amounts
of money from Trump? The only good explanation I heard,
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short version was if you're claiming that there's no way
Cohen cut a check that Donald Trump signed a check,
paid off somebody and didn't know exactly where the money
was going. This guy watches every penny. He is famously tight.
He doesn't well, if you stole sixty five thousand dollars
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from him and he never noticed, He's not watching every
penny that closely?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right? Is that the argument? And the hole? What's up?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And say, what's recompensation? What's a legal fee? What's a
campaign contribution? And just again as a juror, to base
any conclusion on Michael Cohen's testimony, I mean, what sort
of circle of friends do you run.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
With that you think, yeah, I believe him, Yeah, they're
they'd had a real mob feel to it though a
lot of the people that are involved, and uh, that
ain't it ain't good. And I guess you got to
hire a guy with Cohen's personality to do the sort
of stuff that you wanted Cohen to do.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But Cohen with his childish view.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Of and I don't have the exact quote and from me,
I'll have to get it because it's too good of Well,
he owed me more money, so I deserved I mean,
he's one of those people who steals because they deserve it.
Well whatever, dude, Yeah, what a weak act. I hope
he ends up broke. He has made and he's not yet.
He has made millions of dollars off his books, millions
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off of two books, and he's got another book coming,
and he's planning for a television show.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Who reads them? Trump haters?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, I suppose huh. Yeah, I don't understand how publishing works.
I don't know why they give millions of dollars for
these books that I don't think anybody ever reads.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But anyway, we can talk a moore about all that later. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We got Katie's headlines on the way, and so much
to talk about today.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Stay here. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
There were way too many tribute slash moments of silence
for the dead Iranian president yesterday, for.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
My taste, no kidding, and we of the United States
sent our condolences to the butcher of Tehran.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
What is that? Hell?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The UN had a minute of silence, including the US
representative British representatives standing heads bowed in silence for the
death of the president.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What the freak is that the UN is ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yes, it is, disband it, tear it down, use the
money for something else, literally, really anything.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
What's hot these days. What's hip? I was going to say,
a fidget spinner. That's so outed so yesterday, yesteryear. All right,
we got a lot of good stuff to talk about today,
including that de bacle.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
California is crumbling.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
But right now, let's figure out who's reporting what it's
lead story with Katie Green.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Katie, thank you guys from ABC News. ICC prosecutors seeking
arrest warrants for Israeli leaders is absurd, says.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Net and Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Uh and and our president said that, which I appreciate
our president and the State Department said, is absolutely outrageous
and not cool, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A pretty strong language. So good from the New York Times.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I'm just looking at the updates they're doing the Trump trial,
so we have to Sello testifying, and they're noting that
Trump looks more alert today than he has throughout the
entire trial.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Right, all right, keeping up to date on Trump's alertness.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Add from NBC News grief but also relief after Iran
president killed in helicopter crash known as Butcher of Tehran.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So you had the young people of Iran at risk
of beatings, torture or death marching in the street sort
of in happiness the fact that the president died, and
you had some of our college kids with displays of condolences.
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So their young people are happy the guy's dead. Our
young people think it's a sad thing. What is going
on there?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Man? If we let our young people get perverted.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
From the associated press, Target to lower prices on thousands
of basic items as inflations sends customers looking for deals
at Walmart.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, we got to talk about this later. Target and
Walmart are in a battle for you know, the low
price leader or whatever, and Target's lower and a bunch
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I actually heard the headline. It might even have been
Fox News yesterday. Inflation is down and consumers are asking
why haven't prices dropped? I don't know what to do
with a populace in a media of this dumb How
do you run a country? I don't know, but I
hear that sort of thing about inflation.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Air day.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Yeah, I just liked this headline from the Wall Street Journal,
Red lobster gets stung.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
By endless shrimp. Yeah, I read that whole article. That
endless shrimp thing really did them in. They lost eleven
million dollars that quarter on endless shrimp. Too many people
like my brother who see is as a challenge. He's
when he goes into those things, he says, I'm gonna win,
I will win.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He's a great American.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
From CNN, Nesley is releasing a lineup of frozen food
for people on ozempic and other GLP one drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
They're releasing a series of frozen dinners that are high fiber,
high protein that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Go along with these medications that people are on.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Because if you eat regular food, it goes through like
through a goose.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, yeah, I'm sure there are dietary advice, you know,
the guidelines you get, but consumers by the millions are thinking,
all right, what am I supposed to eat?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Now you go there and it says eat this. So yeah,
see that being a big winner. That might be an
adjustment in the way that restaurants, you know, often order burgers.
Let us wrapped for the no carb crowd. Maybe we're
going to start having regular grocery restaurant menu items that
fit with the weight loss drugs so that you don't
end up, know, soiling yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah there, well, yeah, stuff starting there.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
All right, There'll be a little code, a little asterisk
or star number or whatever indicating yeats uh ozampic friendly.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
And finally the Babylon b Sports Illustrated goes bankrupt trying
to provide enough catering to cover model photo shoot.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh, because they're using heavy set coals. There you go.
I hadn't heard that's that's nasty. I was gonna talk
about that.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I was at the Nike store in San Francisco, the
big flagship Nike store there, and uh, they had lots
of of your mannequins that were very heavy.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is that a new thing? Heavy mannequins, armstrong and getdy
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
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Getty and Armstrong and Getty live from the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
See see a signor a dimly lit room deeper than
the bowels of the Armstrong and Getting Communications Compound. Hey, y'all,
today we are under the tutelage of our general manager.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You know what I've got? I forgot? You got Anyboddy?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That guy who was mouthing off in the trial yesterday,
what's his name?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Bob Costello? Stello? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Can I tell you why? I we'll talk about that.
It's it's real good. Can I tell you why I
forgot to come up with a general manager? I was
going through emails for mailbag, and a couple of people
talked about how they became addicted to opioid pills, a
question you'd ask late in the show yesterday. Here's my
main takeaway.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
If you're using a band saw, use it very carefully. Okay,
take great care. Take your time using a band saw.
Just got done reading an email. I'm going to need
to recover from it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh wow really?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh bloody and oh the pain this
guy's describing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Ugh, sorry, well you need to move on. Maybe we don't. So.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The one of the news stories of the day is
fentanyl is now the leading killer of Is it everybody
under forty nine or just men under forty nine?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Eighteen to forty nine?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I believe in general, and I think that fits into
the story somewhat, or maybe it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I brought up the idea that I'm I'm taking some
hardcore painkillers really for the first time in my life, uh,
since my motorcycle wreck. And I was just I was
asking the question, what's the path, I mean, what's the
what's the process of becoming an addict?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, what's what's it look like as opposed to
using painkillers the way you're supposed to use them to
kill pain?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And we got a whole bunch of texts about that
and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I suppose all those fentanyl deaths they're gonna mostly
be people doing it recreationally. Of course, you get you
can get hooked on pain pills and the next thing
you know, you're doing fentanyl on the street.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I guess, oh yeah, yeah, very common. Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I talked to I talked to a guy about it
last night. I still don't have a very clear answer
because I've I've heard different, such different stories from different
people on how they slid from taking it from you know,
they were in a car wreck or hurt their knee
playing basketball or whatever, and the next thing they.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Know, they're a heroin addict. Which is a little trying
to ask with a bandsaw.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yes, I'm really trying to avoid introducing being a heroin
addict into my life at this point. I feel like
it would affect the show, never mind your Fatherhood and
the rest of it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
But anyway, we got a ton of texts and emails
from people who have or have had family members who
did it. And then the fact that news story that's
out today that fentanyl is the leading killer.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Eighteen to forty nine in America. Right now, that's nuts. Yeah, yeah,
it is not a way you can die.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's the way you're going to die if you're eighteen
to forty five actually, for what it's worth, but that
should horrify everyone.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, it certainly takes it from something you probably should
talk to your kids about to of course you would.
It's the leading killer of people their age for the
next several decades. Yeah, And I think the one thing
we need to get past is the feeling and I've
had it my self that hey, people are abusing drugs.
It's a dangerous road to go down, and it's a
(04:05):
crying shame. It's a tragedy when a young person dies
of a drug overdose.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Bah bah bab. But they're using drugs etca centa.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
When you combine the awful, awful addictive qualities of a
lot of the painkillers in America that are being well
around the world, that are being legitimately prescribed, and that
can drag you down that road, plus the standard drug
usage I was talking about, and then you've got the
person who thinks they're taking fairly innocent drug a and
(04:33):
ends up dead because they're fentanyl in it, because there
was fentanyl in it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We just we need to.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Take a serious look at a society, as a society,
at what we're doing and how we can do it differently,
policing the border, for the love of all it's holy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Half a dozen different things.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So I ask a guy I know last night if
he'd ever had any experience with the pain pills, and
I was a little hesitant to ask him because a
number of I haven't number of friends, acquaintances, family members
who have never taken pain pills and never would under
any circumstances oral surgery, forget it. I don't take pain medication.
(05:11):
I know lots of guys like that. I'm somewhere in
between the take it for everything and that take it
for nothing crowd. But this guy I asked last night,
I kind of was afraid. Is when I brought up
being a you ever take pain pills?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hell?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, I'm not a you know, euphemism, bodcat, I don't
take pain pills. And because he's a big, hard ass dude,
and he said, oh yeah, I've taken lots of pain pills.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I hate pain. I absolutely hate pain.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So I've had this surgery at this the cancer runces
blah blah blah. And he had a lot of experience
with a lot of pain pills, which was helpful for me.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's like you were talking about this yesterday. Different people
have different experiences. Not only do we all have different
pain thresholds, And how would you have the slightest idea
if your pain threshold is higher than most people's or lower.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
There's no way to know that, right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
But yeah, so obviously pain could feel different for different people. Well,
sure you mentioned this too, because I've had this experience
with two kids. They had completely different reactions to pain,
and I mean it was pretty clear because they were
too young to, you know, have any other reason to
react to pain this way. One of them hardly felt
(06:27):
it at all, and the other one it was just
it was the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, just and some of that's your emotional makeup too,
the way you're built.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, so I don't know, I don't know how you
figure that that whole thing out. People said, if you're
taking it for the euphoric feeling, Well, that seems pretty
obvious to me that if I'm if you're taking pain
pills for the euphoric feeling, that is not what you're
supposed to be doing. But I've never gotten a euphoric
feeling from a pain pills, right. And then there's that
whole aspect of addiction where your brain lies to you,
(06:59):
right at which you were expressing concern about yesterday. That's
my biggest contually feeling that much pain or is my
brain telling me?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Because it really wants one of those pills.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's my biggest concern, because how the hell would you
tell the difference if you've got an actual injury, if
the fentanyl or whatever the hell you're taking is tell
is faking the pain so you'll take more of it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
How are you supposed to deal with that arguing with
your brain? With your brain, Shut up brain, stupid brain.
We'll have to talk more about that later. You're right,
that should be a way bigger story the number. I mean,
of all the stupid crap they teach in school, are
they talking about the dangers of fentanyl anywhere?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I hope so.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
No, they're they're teaching your eight year old that he's
a little girl instead of the dangers of drugs sick.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I like it when you make statements like that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's true, I don't know it as a certain old
timey am talk radio sound to it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
That's what I'm going for.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's fantastic we should take And this is this is
something for me. I've reached a point where I how
do I put this? I think a certain level of
bald fisted bluntness is appropriate to the battles we are
waging in American society.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think the other side is coming so hard, and
they are so evil, and some of their dopey adherents
are just dopey. But it's so dangerous that I think,
you know, the friendly engagement, let's talk about this, it's
just not going to work anymore. I think they need
to be battered into submission. Verbally speaking, Well, it helps.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You know, if you're worried about your job and your reputation, whatever,
the tide seems to be turning or have turned on.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, depending where you are, of course, but.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and well Bill Maher was on Greg Guttfeld Show
on Fox last night, which gets huge ratings, and we're
going to play the clips later of it. But he said,
I understand why people vote for Trump. He said, people
see him as a bulwark against the craziness of the left.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And there is a lot of craziness on the left.
And he's right about that. I just heard it's because
they're racist. You certainly can't.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, if you're worried about all this stuff, it's
certainly hard to vote for the guy that's going to
further that, take that farther on down the railroad track.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Of no nightiness, no that'd be a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Anyway, we should start to show officially, which will lead
us into the other topic, which which our general manager.
I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday,
May the twenty first of the year twenty twenty four.
We are armstrong in getting we approve of this program.
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officially according to FCC rules and regular elations, getting close
to the bands saw of truth without chopping off the
fingers of.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Democracy. Here we go, at Mark, I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Shocked that we are hearing it for the first time
on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen, that
the prosecution did not take the sting out, did not
front it. We're talking about four hundred and twenty thousand
dollars we've already seen the paper started like.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
A fifteen bucks, not a teen box. This is a bomb.
This is really important.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
This is a bomb dropped in the middle of the
prosecution's case.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So that was CNN's reaction to the testimony earlier in
the day where we all found out that Cohen had
been stealing from Trump quite a bit, and they portrayed that,
as you heard there on CNN, as a bomb. And
I thought, man, everything is going Trump's way today. And
then later some guy that he demanded his lawyers put
(10:51):
on the stand decided to get crossways with the judge.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They brought on a surprise witness who wanted to fight
the judge right in classic Trump's style, you know, like
when he used to have the greatest debate performance anybody'd
ever seen, and instead of like letting the echo chambers sink.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
In for twenty four hours, he would do something nuts.
That became the the other story that covered all that
step on his own success.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I actually have an alternate interpretation of that witness.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
It was it was a hell of a dramatic turn
of events. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, And is it wrapping up today? Is that
the belief?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think the defense is gonna arrest their case today
and then closing arguments are next week.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Why did they wait that long for closing army? No,
It's like the NBA playoffs. They just string it out.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, play one game and then game two is like
a month from now. Okay, how does mailbag look?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh? It'll do. It's fine, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So on the way text line four one five two
nine five k FTC. There's a piece in the Atlanta
I want to read from later, explaining from a political
science standpoint on how you should not be feeling bad
(12:09):
about the economy. You're wrong about how you're interpreting these
grocery prices, restaurant prices, of everything. It's unintentionally hilarious. We'll
talk about that later. Wow, the Atlantic prints some garbage. Wow,
here's your freedom love quote of the day. I love
this one, Love, love, love this one, Patrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Should I keep back my opinions at such a time
through fear of giving offense? I should consider myself as
guilty of treason towards my country and of an act
of disloyalty towards the majesty of Heaven, which I revere
above all earthly kings. One more time, with the right inflection.
Should I keep back my opinions at such a time
through fear of giving offense? I should consider myself as
(12:56):
guilty of treason as toward my country as to the heavens.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's an interesting way to look at it. If you're
not being honest about your opinions out loud. You're being
treason us to our project. Yes, and it could be
argued toward all that is good and decent, whether you
are a a religious person.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
A godly person or not. That's an interesting thought.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And I really hesitate to come off as high handed
about this stuff because we have earned through long years
an ability to say what the hell we want and
indeed make a living at it. And if you are
a you know, assistant principal of some middle school and
(13:43):
you're feeding your family through that, yeah, you're working in
a hospital system that is avowedly woke, and you don't
dare I do not want to come off as high
handed and judgmental towards you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
On the other hand, just let me just let's plant
that seed that you're in a position your employer and
the woke have put you in. They are forcing you
to hold back your opinion and be treason this towards
your country and your beliefs. Maybe you can do something
(14:16):
about that, maybe long term, mailbag who it's a hell
of a thing, and that's the way you need to
look at it. These people are putting me in that position.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Drop us a note, mail bag at Armstrong dot com,
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Speaker 1 (14:36):
I love this. ALYSTA from Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Writes, Guys, I'm a news junkie five by four angie
listener for almost ten years. Wow, all four hours every day.
You don't get the fourth hour, Grab it via podcast
Armstrong and Getty on demand. My husband is an electrician
actively avoids all talk of politics. Within the last two weeks,
he said, wait, Trump is running for president again.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I said yes, Not only is he running, he's secured
the Republican nomine faster than any candidate in history.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
He asked who's he running against. I told him Joe Biden,
to which he responded, no way. How is this happening again?
While it blows my mind you just learned about our
twenty twenty four octogenarian matchup, I have to think he's
more normal A sample of an.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Average American that is so interesting. I heard a pundit
the other day saying, you have no idea how many
people in America that will vote who are going to
be surprised to find out it's a Biden Trump rematch?
And I thought, oh, I can't be that many people,
but there's one there even if it's twenty percent. That's
an enormous I'm sure, yeah, how interesting. Let's see out
(15:40):
of nowhere or I can't figure out why Tom from
SoCal Rights, guys, have you heard of this German word
backfeiffen geshichte I sluttered thatfeifeen ghziqe a funny sounding word.
Backfeifeen ghziqe, A face in need of a fist.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Try to make a list nomine he is Adam schiff.
That's a good word.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I need to learn.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Face in need of a fist. We all use schottenfreud,
no violence. We all use schadenfreud, and my family use
feterinaid a lot. I don't know if we're pronouncing that right,
but we use that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's when you regret what you ordered and wish you
had with the other person. Eight is eating we get
every time we're at a restaurant. We are with yes, yes,
Well let's see. Nick the marine writes, excuse me, I'm
on the cleansing my system of the the COVID part
(16:39):
of the disease. Lots of coffin and sneezing.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Anyway, he says, h piling on what Jay said vis
email about keeping track of one's chief executive, whether it's
a run or the United States when they're flying. I've
performed air defense and airspace management in several countries in
the past almost twenty years now. One thing that stands
out more than anything else is the normous energy that
goes into flight following Air Force one. Globally, we don't
(17:04):
lose track for so much as a second.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And Iran's president was flying around in a fog and
a helicopter and crashed, and Iran reached out to the
US and everybody said, can you help us find him?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
We don't know where he is.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, that's it. That's an embarrassing situation. You got your
president flying around in a sixties helicopter that's poorly maintained
and you can't keep track of it. I'll tell you
where he is. Hell, Hell is where he is. We're
haul hoping. What happened in the Trump trail yesterday.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Armstrong and Getty, So, there were.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Two big developments in the Trump trial yesterday. Will set
aside for now, the Coen admitting he was stealing for Trump,
because that that's a big, big thing on its own.
But then later, this witness that Trump himself wanted his
guys to bring up on the stand. This Costello guy
(17:57):
got jumpy with the judge and it was wacky and
we'll we'll have to explain it all. But this is
kind of how it sounded as was happening live on
CNN yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I'm texting sources inside the court room whenne are close
to Costello, asking them effectively that what the hell I mean?
Rob Costello certainly wants to testify in this case. He
has personal animis towards Michael Cohen. He's clearly there to
undercut his credibility. But to get in such a tussle
with the judge over seeing this case that he cleared
the courtroom perceiving some sort of security risk, I mean,
(18:28):
that is extraordinary. I've spoken to the Costello for years,
I know him quite well. This is out of character.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
One possibility I'm going to raise is usually the motivation
for most people who act out either in civil or
criminal court in front of former President Trump, which is
they are performing for an audience of want this could
very okay.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
So that's how it happened as it was happening liow
from the courtroom. And this guy was, and we can
play more clips of the descriptions of this this costello guy.
He was staring down the ju judge and making comments
like anything the judge would say, he would make a
smart act like oh Jesus smart comment exactly, Yeah, well,
(19:12):
Paula Reid should be banned from commenting on any judicial
procedure that was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The courtroom cleared perhaps, or what did she what did
she say?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Precisely, the courtroom cleared? Security risk?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Something, yes, something about for a security perceived security risk?
You little twit? Sorry, do you clear the courtroom? Always,
as the judge, before you chew somebody out, you don't
choose somebody out in front of the jury. And in
this case, he was going to chew out everybody, including
the attorneys and the witness and saying, all right, we're
(19:52):
reigning this the f inn.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Now. I think this judge is terrible.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think his it's like a referee that loses con
troll of a game. He lost control of the game
and then had to go to a fairly strong measure
to regain control of it. But the idea that he
was afraid there the guy was going to like leap
over the bench and attack everybody.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Come on, well, uh, which which description of this do
we want? Well, I tell you, if you were just
looking for description, I'll let you choose. Andy McCarthy of
the National Review had some just terrific analysis on Special Report.
(20:33):
I wanted to get to the what actually happened first? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because the idea that the guy was rolling his eyes
at the judge when the judgment say things, or staring
him down. At at one point the judge said, are you
staring me down right now? Yeah, Here's what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
The judge had declared to the attorneys that Costello's testimony
had to be arrow to a certain couple of topics, okay.
And then as Costello was answering answering questions, the prosecution
kept objecting, and and then Andy McCarthy will uh will uh, well,
(21:13):
we'll deal with that. But Costello was reacting to the
judges either upholding or over or rejecting the objections.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Right, and the judge would make a ruling, you know,
it's sustained or right or not.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And then sometimes Castell would say wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Just that would have boiled down to that in a
court room or it's completely on control.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I mean, there's no way you can function. Oh, I
agree completely. Yeah, he was a referee that lost control
of the game.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Uh so, Yeah, this guy's muttering and rolling his eyes
with all the objections and stuff like that. Do you
have a do you have a an idea why this
Costello guy was acting this way? I mean he's a
regular on all the cable news shows. I mean every
cable news show had clips of him from the last
week or two. I mean, he's a smart guy. He
(22:04):
knows how things work. Why was he doing that? Did
he actually lose his composure and was reacting this way?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Or was it a strategy from Trump of some sort?
I don't think. So let's go ahead. I keep not
answering because I don't want to steal Andy McCarthy's thunder
and have you all hear it twice? But role clip
fifty two, Michael, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I think it got very contentious at the end. There
was clearly a lot of tension between Bob Costello, the
witness it was called by the defense case, and Judge
march On.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Judge march On's rulings seemed.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
To be a little bit erratic, Bob Costello is a
very experienced, savvy New York defense lawyer, obviously didn't understand
how the same question seemed to produce a sustained objection
and an overruled objection seriatum. And he got a little
bit exasperated, and then the judge got exasperated because Bob
got exasperated. So that's kind of close out we had today.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So this is a really experienced defense attorney, and the
judge sustains the objection, then the next minute it's the
same objection and he overrules it. And this experienced attorneys
like it's like I said, it's a player who's exasperated
because the referees have lost control of the game and
are calling a terrible game.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So you don't.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So it was not a he went in there with
the strategy of I'm gonna, like, you know, cause a scene.
He just was frustrated with the way the thing was
being handled.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, and I'm not saying you got to act like that,
but that was McCarthy's take, wrung true to me. The
rest is pretty interesting to hit us with fifty three, Michael.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I think to remember that's important is that Cohen testified
that he lied to Costello.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
So okay, that's about Okay, that's good, Michael, that's going
to be helpful to the defense. That's about the uh,
the the what Cohen testimony, and we've heard dreams about that.
That's plenty. I thought this was the really really interesting
part because remember, we still haven't.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Gotten to a solid description of what is.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
This underlying crime that makes the accounting errors of felony,
and Andy McCarthy speaks to one proposed witness that really
frustrated me hearing about this. We'll do fifty four first, Michael,
and I think the important.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Thing as far as Trump's concern in terms of taking
what the prosecution is giving him, if Trump were the
person that prosecutors portrayed who watches every penny and was
thinking about the campaign laws, then he would have used
campaign funds.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
To pay these NDAs.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
There's no reason to think that he wouldn't have done that,
and then just put legal expenses on his FEC disclosures,
just as they put legal expenses in.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The business records.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
So I don't think there's any evidence that Trump was
even thinking about the campaign laws, let alone that he
willfully violated them.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, So now we're getting into the actual underlying crime,
and McCarthy's making the point that this doesn't even look
like that crime to me. And this is one more
reason everybody's getting frustrated with the judge fifty five.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
The expert that the defense wanted to bring I guess
Brad Smith.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
The FEC expert. The judges saying no, go yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I think it's pretty outrageous too, because the judge allowed
the prosecutors to elicit from Cohen and Pecker that they, respectively,
Cohen pled guilty to two campaign finance charges and Pecker
had a non prosecution agreement. So he's essentially let the
jury be instructed by Cohen and Pecker on the law.
(25:41):
And here you have Brad Smith, someone who actually knows
campaign finance law, and merch On's keeping him off the
witness stand.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So it's super controversial in getting into the legal weeds
that he let Pecker and Cohen talk about pleading guilty
to crimes.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Supposed to do that in court.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You can't use that to impugne the defendant, saying, wow,
these guys pled guilty to the crimes and they were wait,
this guy's accused of that crime, So that means that's
strict for Boten to get back to a German lesson
in the courts. And so the judge let those two
witnesses kind of convey that yes, Trump violated campaign finance laws.
(26:24):
There's an expert witness, and he said no, no, no,
we don't need him to talk about campaign finance law.
So this thing, if it goes, if it gets a conviction,
and it won't, will be overturned so quick the appeals
court might do it on a Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, but probably not quick enough before the election.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, that won't matter anyway. What won't matter any outcome.
You don't think it'll have any effect on the voting.
I only look at this through the political ends. That's
the only way I ever think about this case. So
if he's you know, the whole, it'll be appealed and overturned.
Well okay, But if it's after the election, then the
(27:01):
damage is done, if there's any damage to be done.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, I guess it's conceivable that the low information voter,
which we were discussing just a few moments ago, here's
he got convicted of campaign financed something.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They might say the ads will be especially if it's
a felony. If it's not that weird misdemeanor trick that
the Wall Street Journal was talking about yesterday. But if
it's a felony, the ads will be non stop. Trump
is a felon. We've never had a president who was
a felon. It'll be brought up in the debate. It'll
be mentioned a million times before November that Trump is
a felon if he has found guilty of a felony.
(27:37):
And I know so, I don't know how that lands
on most voters. I have no idea, but I'd rather
not have to face that headwind, especially if it's a
bogus case.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Now we'll get into the detail.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Would more let judge Verschond judge a local chili contest?
He needs to be barred from judging anything on earth.
He should not judge a local dog show.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well, first of all, you should have different judges for
dog shows and chili contests.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They're completely different skill sets.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
His wife shouldn't even ask him do you like this
paint or this paint? He can't judge effing anything, you
know what, Bard from judging anything the rest of his life.
But we'll have to later get into the whole. Why
is it significant that Cohen admitted to stealing large amounts
of money from Trump? The only good explanation I heard,
(28:32):
short version was if you're claiming that there's no way
Cohen cut a check that Donald Trump signed a check,
paid off somebody and didn't know exactly where the money
was going. This guy watches every penny. He is famously tight.
He doesn't well, if you stole sixty five thousand dollars
(28:52):
from him and he never noticed, He's not watching every
penny that closely?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right? Is that the argument? And the hole? What's up?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
And say, what's recompensation? What's a legal fee? What's a
campaign contribution? And just again as a juror, to base
any conclusion on Michael Cohen's testimony, I mean, what sort
of circle of friends do you run.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
With that you think, yeah, I believe him, Yeah, they're
they'd had a real mob feel to it though a
lot of the people that are involved, and uh, that
ain't it ain't good. And I guess you got to
hire a guy with Cohen's personality to do the sort
of stuff that you wanted Cohen to do.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But Cohen with his childish view.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Of and I don't have the exact quote and from me,
I'll have to get it because it's too good of Well,
he owed me more money, so I deserved I mean,
he's one of those people who steals because they deserve it.
Well whatever, dude, Yeah, what a weak act. I hope
he ends up broke. He has made and he's not yet.
He has made millions of dollars off his books, millions
(30:01):
off of two books, and he's got another book coming,
and he's planning for a television show.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Who reads them? Trump haters?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, I suppose huh. Yeah, I don't understand how publishing works.
I don't know why they give millions of dollars for
these books that I don't think anybody ever reads.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But anyway, we can talk a moore about all that later. Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
We got Katie's headlines on the way, and so much
to talk about today.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Stay here. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
There were way too many tribute slash moments of silence
for the dead Iranian president yesterday, for.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
My taste, no kidding, and we of the United States
sent our condolences to the butcher of Tehran.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
What is that? Hell?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
The UN had a minute of silence, including the US
representative British representatives standing heads bowed in silence for the
death of the president.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
What the freak is that the UN is ridiculous?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yes, it is, disband it, tear it down, use the
money for something else, literally, really anything.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
What's hot these days. What's hip? I was going to say,
a fidget spinner. That's so outed so yesterday, yesteryear. All right,
we got a lot of good stuff to talk about today,
including that de bacle.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
California is crumbling.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
But right now, let's figure out who's reporting what it's
lead story with Katie Green.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Katie, thank you guys from ABC News. ICC prosecutors seeking
arrest warrants for Israeli leaders is absurd, says.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Net and Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Uh and and our president said that, which I appreciate
our president and the State Department said, is absolutely outrageous
and not cool, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A pretty strong language. So good from the New York Times.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I'm just looking at the updates they're doing the Trump trial,
so we have to Sello testifying, and they're noting that
Trump looks more alert today than he has throughout the
entire trial.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Right, all right, keeping up to date on Trump's alertness.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Add from NBC News grief but also relief after Iran
president killed in helicopter crash known as Butcher of Tehran.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So you had the young people of Iran at risk
of beatings, torture or death marching in the street sort
of in happiness the fact that the president died, and
you had some of our college kids with displays of condolences.
(32:40):
So their young people are happy the guy's dead. Our
young people think it's a sad thing. What is going
on there?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Man? If we let our young people get perverted.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
From the associated press, Target to lower prices on thousands
of basic items as inflations sends customers looking for deals
at Walmart.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, we got to talk about this later. Target and
Walmart are in a battle for you know, the low
price leader or whatever, and Target's lower and a bunch
of stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I actually heard the headline. It might even have been
Fox News yesterday. Inflation is down and consumers are asking
why haven't prices dropped? I don't know what to do
with a populace in a media of this dumb How
do you run a country? I don't know, but I
hear that sort of thing about inflation.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Air day.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Yeah, I just liked this headline from the Wall Street Journal,
Red lobster gets stung.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
By endless shrimp. Yeah, I read that whole article. That
endless shrimp thing really did them in. They lost eleven
million dollars that quarter on endless shrimp. Too many people
like my brother who see is as a challenge. He's
when he goes into those things, he says, I'm gonna win,
I will win.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He's a great American.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
From CNN, Nesley is releasing a lineup of frozen food
for people on ozempic and other GLP one drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
They're releasing a series of frozen dinners that are high fiber,
high protein that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Go along with these medications that people are on.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Because if you eat regular food, it goes through like
through a goose.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Well, yeah, I'm sure there are dietary advice, you know,
the guidelines you get, but consumers by the millions are thinking,
all right, what am I supposed to eat?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Now you go there and it says eat this. So yeah,
see that being a big winner. That might be an
adjustment in the way that restaurants, you know, often order burgers.
Let us wrapped for the no carb crowd. Maybe we're
going to start having regular grocery restaurant menu items that
fit with the weight loss drugs so that you don't
end up, know, soiling yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah there, well, yeah, stuff starting there.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
All right, There'll be a little code, a little asterisk
or star number or whatever indicating yeats uh ozampic friendly.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
And finally the Babylon b Sports Illustrated goes bankrupt trying
to provide enough catering to cover model photo shoot.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh, because they're using heavy set coals. There you go.
I hadn't heard that's that's nasty. I was gonna talk
about that.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I was at the Nike store in San Francisco, the
big flagship Nike store there, and uh, they had lots
of of your mannequins that were very heavy.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is that a new thing? Heavy mannequins, armstrong and getdy
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