May 15, 2024 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington
Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I go to the young people's shoe stores a lot
because I got a couple of young people in my family.
The narrow casting of shoes it exists. Now, there's so
many different kinds of everything appealing to your favorite sports
team or food or whatever. The gymnasium shoe world is
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out of control.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Off white veltro Band walking shoe. That's my go to
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both for walking in more walking.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Both for walking and sitting on the couch watching Fox.
There for both those yelling it's the TV, so the
big news today and we'll talk more about it later.
Joe Biden challenged Donald Trump to two debates. Trump has
accepted there are going to be two debates, one in
June one, in September, if they can come to terms,
they're bypassing the normal commission, et.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Cetera, et cetera. We'll get into that later.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I thought it was interesting, and I hate to find
myself agreeing with Biden that much, but I just read
this the campaign statement on political I think it was
and they say, hey, the past debates have been like
giant spectacles as opposed to useful debates, and it's time
to get away from that.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, it's you know, okay, when the timing is pretty
handy for Joe Biden since spectacle edges to Trump's advantage
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, I would agree, yep, all right, So more on
that to come. It is a frustrating reality that we
on the conservative side of things often need at least
a little help from the mainstream media for wrongs to
be righted or good ideas to get over. You don't
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want to. You don't like the people on cable news
or the big legacy media. They're liars, they're all lefties.
But the truth is often ideas need critical mass that
it's tough to get through just conservative media. Not always,
we can get some good stuff done, and the word spread,
but sometimes we need help. So I find this at
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least mildly encouraging. There are two prominent pieces in the
New York Times today that are absolutely right up my
alley our alley. One is entitled how MSNBC leftward Tilt
delivers ratings and complications. The main point of the article
being a big NBC is really suffering because they have
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affiliates all over the country, and the Nebraska NBC affiliate
is getting hell from their viewers saying why are you
running this crappy news right because MSNBC has tainted the
NBC brand. Sure, And I just thought it was interesting
that it's a pretty long and detailed article in the
New York Times saying MSNBC is way left. They don't
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even try, they're just activists. They don't report the news
is accurate. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely is. I think it
is striking that somebody is saying that out loud.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, that is up our alley. Or do we have
one collective alley between the two of us or it
seems weird?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's uncomfortable? Yeah, okay, Does everybody keep their own alley
good meat and clean and deal with it the other
alley exactly keep your alley away from mine, and I
found this again interesting. MSNBC hosts, for their part view
their role in the political debate is more important than ever.
They dismiss the accusation that MSNBC is a Fox News
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for Democrats and say their message that mister Trump's candidacy
represents a unique and clear democracy is an urgent one
for the electorate to hear. But the rest of the
article belies that essentially and talks a great deal about
the tensions within NBC. So I thought that was notable,
and then this is perhaps even more important, and I
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will give them credit. At the New York Times, I
feel like some of the kind of mainstream liberal, maybe
annoyingly liberal Rob Reiner type old school lefties have finally
woken up to the fact that the woke radical left
is a different beast. They can't control it. Their energy,
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which seemed kind of useful, is now out of control,
and they're realizing that these kids believe in something they
don't believe at all. And The New York Times has
gone heavy on a couple of pieces, including this one.
It's a major interview with Hillary Cass, doctor Hillary Cass,
who was the woman who wrote the famous cast report
in Great Britain explaining why Great Britain in the National
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Health Service needed to stop right now with the cruel
experiments on children in the whole gender bending madness field.
And man, they interview her for a long time, ask
her all the right questions, and let her blast away
at how this field of medicine is unique in that
there is no supporting evidence, There is no data, there
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is no science backing these experiments on children. It's horrifying.
I mean, this will be looked upon as one of
the darkest moments in modern medice.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It is going to be one of those things we
look back on and think, how did that ever happen
in the modern world.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, the people were in favor of it, yelled a
lot and said you're a transphobe if you even asked
any questions. But it's a terrific interview. We'll post it.
I'm not sure if you'll get paywalled at Armstrong Andngetti
dot com. But she goes into depth how utterly unforgivable
this is, and how there is no data and that
dough and oh, and they get into the fact and
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the New York Times that like your American medical associations
are rejecting this. They're saying, this study has no new
data or new studies. We're going to keep doing what
we're doing, which is absolutely unforgivable. What credit to the
New York Times. Could it be there's a little sanity
seeping back in?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Could be on the topic of the media, meant to
read this yesterday in the newsletter I read every weekend,
the political news letter from Mark Alpern. He said, based
on the available evidence, the dominant media has almost entirely
given up on investigating, understanding, or explaining Donald Trump's appeal
to tens of millions of Americas, at least that portion
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of the appeal based on issues and not style or psychology,
a dangerous project of avoidance, denial, and abrogation of profess
responsibility that is approaching its tenth year. True the fact
that that Donald Trump draws one hundred thousand people in
New Jersey and nobody in any of the talk shows
and Sunday has any real interest in getting into why
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is this appealing to over half the country right now?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What is it about increasing numbers of black folks?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Hispanics ranks? Right?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, no interest in that or well, I think I
guess they just can't imagine it a failure of imagination,
or they'd have to deal with some uncomfortable realities that,
you know, there's a whole bunch of black people in
Hispanics and people around the country that don't like all
this trans women and boys' sports and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I mean, they really don't like that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So Yeah, like I was hinting in my previous rants,
I feel like there is more and more permission on
the left to say, hey, I don't think dudes should
be beating up on women or showing their junk in
a locker room. Finally realizing, oh, this coalition of the
left where you could never call any other, you know,
subcategory of leftist crackpot or wrong or whatever. It's starting
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to make me feel really, really uncomfortable because these people
are advocating crap. My only quibble with with Halpern, and
he might agree with me honestly, is he said, you know,
the appeal of Trump other than style. I can't remember
precisely how he and you worded it, but I would
ask Mark, Okay, so people are drawn to this derisive,
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kind of mean, contemptuous style. Part of that's just our
bad impulses as human beings part of it. But let's
stick into the other part of it. Why would it
appeal to people to be derisive toward mainstream beltway politics?
What is it about mainstream beltway politics that have made
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people feel like they're being cheated and lied to and
they just want to punch it in the face. Asking
why people respond to that style, I don't think is meaningless.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
So we should check in on the what do you
want to call the trial? You don't like the names?
What do you want to call the trial? The Trump Trial?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, any name I would give to it would be
sanctimonious and overly long, the perverse law fair, Banana republic
s show, sir.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Okay, anyway, we should hush money trial. All right, you
win the hush money trial. We should check in on
some of the analysis of that. I've got a major question.
Maybe Joe can answer, because he almost went to law school,
and among other things we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
To stay here, I've never understood how this happens.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
NBA, the Pacers beat the Knicks by thirty five. The
other day in Game four of the playoffs night, the
nick beat them by thirty points, a sixty five point swing,
same players on the court. I have never understood how
that happens.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I'm not that big an NBA fan, but you're right.
The the role of momentum or mojo or you're either
clicking or you're not right. I know there's a huge difference.
So a couple of stories from the world of marijuana.
Number one, cheating on workplace drug tests has reached an
all time high. According to the good folks that quest Diagnostics.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Drug tests, they still drug testing for marijuana. Yeah, even
though it's legal and all over the place.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right, and the imperfections on all Right? Are you stoned
now or were you stoned last night? And you're feel
weekly a good now?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Right? Does this stay in your system for a long time?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, which is one of the other articles
we're going to get to. But yeah, it's people using
synthetic urine other people's urine yuck, or urine that's been
treated with drug masking agents.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
But I guess the labs are getting better and better.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I gotta start selling my urine perfectly drug and alcohol free.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Year.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
You're gonna test positive for donuts, But I don't think
that'll keep you out of work.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh, your urine is like a NAPA cab. I mean,
it's the finest charge, one hundred and twenty five bucks
a bottle. Big piece in the Wall Street Journal. What
you aren't hearing about marijuana's health effects. There's more and
more science linking it to psychiatric disorders, permanent brain damage,
and other serious harms. Part of the reason is you
think of the brain as gray matter, right, there's also
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white matter. Fat. Fat insulates your brain mine in particular.
I got a fat head. But the TCHC lodges in
that fat and gets released over time into your brain,
and they just we are at the very beginning of
understanding what the strong new mind erasing pot does to
young brains especially. I think we may look back on
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this time the way we treat our young people as saying,
oh my god, we're letting kids smoke that powerful, a
psychoactive drug.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Well, this has bothered me for a long time. There
have been some good op eds in the New York
Times about this. We got so enthused with the momentum
of the hippie generation to not treat marijuana like heroin,
which I understand why you shouldn't treat marijuana like heroin.
But it was just all positive. This is fantastic. Everybody
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should do it. Momentum there for so long that you know,
alcohol is not even that way, and everybody shouldn't do it, and.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Certainly not do excess, and certainly not when you're young.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, they're talking about this big study. It's Mass General
Brigham McLain hospital. He's had enough names for you hospital anyway.
The addiction potential in marijuana is is higher, higher than
many other drugs, especially for young people. About thirty percent
of those who use cannabis have some degree of use disorder.
By comparison, only about thirteen and a half percent of
drinkers are estimated to be dependent on alcohol. Anybody tells
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you one is non addictive as a liar.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
What that's interesting that you say that, what percentage of.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
About thirty percent for cannabis have some degree of a
use disorder. Now that might be you know, I'm in
the habit, I smoke it when I probably shouldn't, or
it might be hardcore addiction and psychotic problems.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So that's a broad range, but that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's interesting that you say that because that's always been
the talking point is that it's non addictive.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's it's addictive in kind of a different way than
other drugs are. There's huge psychological addiction problems. I've known
a couple of people like that. I mean they were
clearly addicted. But yeah, yeah, anyway, and this is as always,
this is not some sort of high and mighty kids
these days with their refair. No, I just I don't
want kids to do things that are terrible for the
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brains and hurt themselves for the rest of their lives.
I've known drug casualties. I know you have too. It's sad,
it's not funny. They will never be right, they will
never have happy, reductive lives because their brains are messed up.
The idea that hey, I'm gonna mess with my brain chemistry,
then it'll go back to normal no matter how many
times I mess with it.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well, and that doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And the pot one is it's it's different than like
the hard drug casualty and that I've known a few
people that just they just don't get off their couch
and do anything.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, I mean, that's its own kind of sad life.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah. So anyway, not here to lecture, you just to
make good decisions, you know, just be honest with yourself
about what you're doing and how you're doing it. I
certainly try.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I love this. This is our man of the day.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Are armstrong and getting man of the day, Michael, congratulations
At the end. Constable of Seaside, California. It's right cheek
bujow with Monterey. If you know the geography. Judy and
the kids and I stayed in the embassy suites there
in Seaside many times during fabulous vacations to beautiful Monterey,
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Monterey Bay, the aquarium, et cetera. So this guy, the
city officials start bug him saying that his boat is
somehow an ey sore. It was right there by the ocean.
Everybody's got a boat, but anyway, and he disagreed with him,
but he realized that this is going to get into
a big fight, and he doesn't want to get into
a fight with the city over property values. He didn't
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mind the idea of a fence anyway around his boat
for safety reasons, and so he put up a big,
white like flat paneled fence looks to be about five
six feet high, and he had an artists come in
and paint the fence to look precisely like his boat,
so you're still looking at his boat.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
That's pretty funny. But it passed Muster and everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Everybody is this, This is the way America used to be.
Some of the city fathers there in seaside said that
is so funny and so clever. The city manager slash
police chief said, dude, you're hilarious. I'd give you a
high five. I'd love to meet you someday. And you know,
if you need anything, let me know.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Well, love that that's our man of the day, eh
does he?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is he get a prize of some sort?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is on the way arm Strong and Getty oven Mitz So.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Well, check in next on the hush money trial and
you can hear from a couple of analysts of what
they think is going on and what has happened. I
listened to a couple of legal podcasts about it yesterday,
so I've got some commentary and questions about the whole
deal presented. The worst case scenario already, the idea that
Trump is found guilty of something at some point, barely
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loses the election, then on appeals it's thrown out and
decided that there was a sham. That would make so
much of the electricate electorate so cynical men, that could
damage this country for a century.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
If you could show that the conviction had any effect
on the election, any negative effect on Trump's prospects, Yeah,
that would be That would be a moment of extreme
passion and anger.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
But anyway, for what happened yesterday with Cohen on the
stand and a big question I've got about the trial itself, stay.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Tuned, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
This is garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That is the best proof that you have that if
they're gonna get him go in or get him coming,
it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. This
is a sham. This is not the United States of America.
This is some third rate banana Republic. If this were
happening in another country, we would be laughing at them
as a sham democracy. I am ashamed as an American
citizen to sity in a courtroom watching the former leader
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of the free world, and let's be honest, likely next
leader of the free world, sitting with the indignity in
this dingy, third rate courtroom with fourth rate prosecutors and
a fifth rate lawyer on the stand as a witness
who actually is violating attorney client privileged left and right.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Nobody's even talking about that.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I'm not sure the dinginess of the courtroom has anything
to do with it. That's Viveke Aramaswami, one of a
number of Republican vice presidential hopefuls that have gone to
the courthouse steps there in New York for the hush
money case, all trying out for the job of vice president.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I guess what was with.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Viveke Burgham McDonald and one other dude, all dressed in
exactly the same suit and tie. They looked like the
four tops of their jersey boys or something.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The early Beatles. Yes, I don't know that was odd.
Nobody ever explained that.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I thought that was a bad look.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Actually, I think Vivike was right everything he said, but
I'm reminded of how annoying he is.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Wow, I liked his play on words. They get him coming,
are Cohen? Uh huh?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You're with me.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We're in the presidence of greatness.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Lisa Murkowski, Republican senator from Alaska, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I believe so.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Anyway, she was asked yesterday why are so many Republicans
going down to the New York trial and hanging out,
he said. She said, do we have something else to
do around here other than watch a stupid porn trial.
This is ridiculous. So not everybody's enthused about going and
hanging out.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I guess I have a question about this trial, as
many people do.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But first, a little bit of analysis from the lead
on CNN, either one of those clips, Michael.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
The judge will charge this jury that if a witness
has a bias or skin in the game, you take
that testimony with caution. You know, the witness is supposed
to say, they robbed the bank, they drove the.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Car, it was blue and it was raining out. Not
I want him in jail.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
I got a little silly little T shirt on this
Cohen is reprehensible.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
So all right, that was his view. And here's the
other analyst they had on Jake Tapper's show.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
There will be an instruction in the jury instructions that
will say, if you don't believe one thing, he said,
Michael Cohen, you can choose to believe none of And
I think that's what the defense is going to say.
They're going to say you should disregard his testimony in total.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Now it's up to the jury.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
None, some are all of the.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Testimony, but this is where the defense is going and
why credibility is such a fundamental part of this cross examination.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
So any comment on anything that they said there, Yeah,
I just I've always thought, including when I was a juror,
that that was kind of a funny jury instruction.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
If you found him dishonest in one thing, you can
disregard everything he said. Yeah, I've been dealing with people
for quite a number of years. I know how all
that works. Do I feel like that was a little
momentary white lie, but he's over all a good guy, Okay?
Or do I just think he's a good lion piece
of ass. Yeah, I'm kind of up on that idea.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
So, first of all, I was taken in a legal podcast,
The Dispatch of Legal podcast is great if you've never
heard it, But David French from the New York Times
was on there and he said to this idea of
it's how could you have your main witness be a
convicted liar? And then other lawyers saying that's a common thing,
And David French said, our prisons are full of people
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convicted by convicted other convicted criminals, and liars the way
lots of people, maybe even most people are convicted by
people that are known liars are criminals. So it's just
criminals tend to hang out with criminals. Yeah, exactly, So
that's not that uncommon. It's interesting that that gets that
take from so many legal experts on television.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
See, I would say, just because it's common doesn't mean
it has no uh a fact or no weight. It can,
it absolutely can.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Right, but and uh And David French's view and the
both the people on Jake Tapper Show on CNN, their
view is that this they still haven't at all proved
the what are the two crimes that turn this into
a felony thing at all? That that just were now
this many weeks into this thing and they haven't even
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come close. They'ven't even touched on that. So they got
into the conversation on the CNN show with the legal
analysts all saying, you know, it might not be a
bad idea for the defense here the end of the
week to say so, the prosecution is going to do
their final comments or arguments or whatever you call it,
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final statement, what do you call it?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Closing arguments? Not till the end the prosecution.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, well that could be coming the end of this week,
they think, so they'll do their final statement or and
then the defense should say and I didn't realize this
was the thing.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
They haven't proved their case, so we don't need to
do this.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We rest.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So what is the what is the angle on that
if you don't present your defense that I wasn't aware
of this, that's confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, Usually you just say we're not going to call
any witnesses. The state has not come anywhere close to
proving their case. We're not going to waste the jury's time. Essentially,
you can't make a speech like that, although you will
in your closing arguments.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So do you does that.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Is the idea that that like really hits the jury
with a Wow, they're so sure this is wrong, they're
not even gonna fight this.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Judge jump in at that point and say, yeah, you're right.
You you made all these claims and you never proved
any of them.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
This is done.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah. That I'm not sure about the judge thing. I
know there's one thing where he can summarily do something
or other, but I wish I was an actual experienced
trial attorney to answer your question specifically, But yeah, I'm
familiar with that being done. It is kind of grand standy.
It's it's a statement that these jokers did so poorly,
we're not even gonna bother and and then you make
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a closing argument, you point out the weakness is in
their case and give it to the jury.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Anyway, all the legal analysts on Jake Tapper Show thought
that that that that's what they should do, and unless
something changes in the next couple of days that look,
they came in here with you, We've got to have
these two things come together to make this a felony.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
They didn't even bring that up. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right? I think I speak for a hell of a
lot of Americans who is troubled by the idea that
if that happens, that would be a complete confirmation that
this case has been purely a hatchet job to get
Trump off the campaign trail, that it was so bad
that the jury didn't even have to hear from the defense.
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I mean, that would be a pretty scathing indictment of
the state's case, or the city's case, or Alvin Bragg,
who whatever the hell he is, to the point that
there needs to be a sanction for that sort of thing.
Maybe it's just at the ballot box, but is Vvek
was in as usual I'm smarter than everybody and always
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angry style, trying to communicate the fact that this is
a horrible thing to try in our system.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Well, some of the aalysis is that the reason Trump
has been so subdued. So he got all of those
contempt to courts, and then the judge threatened jail time,
and then we thought, well, he's going to go for
the jail time. But he's been pretty subdued, and that
that might be because he and his defense team or
his defense team has talked to him and said, look,
we're we're killing it here. They've done nothing. I don't
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think they're going to do anything. We're not even gonna
We're just gonna say we got nothing, your honor. We
don't even need to do it. They haven't present, they
haven't proven their case, so we don't need to push
back that. Trump's just said, okay, we're up by thirty,
Well let's go into the prevent defense.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And that might be.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Saying, if your opponent is digging themselves a hole, don't take.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Away their shovel or whatever something like that.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, so maybe that is the strategy of why Trump's
gone kind of quiet on this, is that just wow,
they don't they have less than we even thought they did.
One thing that came up that I thought would have
been interesting, that angry guy, the clip we played a
little bit ago that that analyst from CNN. He said,
the first question to Cohen should have been, and this
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would have been a good one, do you consider yourself
an honest man?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
How how would have you possibly answered that?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I don't know either. I think that check mate. That
is a pretty good checkmate question.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I don't see how you could answer that without like
really doing yourself some damage.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Wow, I you know, I had to think about it
for several seconds. The yeah, this shrimp store called or
whatever the jerk store called. But he'd say, well, I
consider myself an attorney. That'd be a pretty good answer.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And then point at the guy, the lawyer that just
and hold up a mirror.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh hey, yeah, why do you have a mirror? The
judgment he brought a mirror with you. That's that's a
prop your honor. So I could own that guy. That's
what I was trying to do and I believe we
can all agree I did. Ladies and gentlemen of the
jury High five. Don't leave me hanging.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Oh no, I'm perfectly comfortable as a juror. I don't
know if it comes off this way. Again, it's very
hard to separate what the jurors here from. You know,
they're not getting on the list cable news show and
analyzing of all these different things.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They're coming to this on their own.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But I could easily say, well, yeah, he lied and
was willing to go to jail for Donald Trump, and
then at some point he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
That's not impossible to understand, is it. No, not at all,
And that was part of my No. I consider myself
an attorney. He hired me to make an argument. I
made that argument. I didn't believe it, but I was
hired to make that argument.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, well, this is going to wrap up fairly soon,
they think, and I think that it's not going to
move the needle no matter. I think it'll move the
needle more on an acquittal than a conviction.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I will be interested to see. Getting back to the
theme earlier of there are certain mainstream lefty publications that
are realizing the woke, nutty left is dangerous, and they're
starting to come back a little bit to the principles
that used to guide them. Would I can't wait to
see what the reaction is when this case falls apart,
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is spanked and sent to bed without its supper, I mean,
exposed as just a joke of a case, if there
will be widespread discussion of that fact.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
To be fair, here, let's hear some analysts are on
the other side of this. Of course they're on MSNBC.
This is Andrew Weissman on Morning Joe Today.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I would say the last hour of Michael Collins's direct
testimony was pretty riveting because he was looking, by and
large directly at the jurors, and the jurors we are
looking directly at him as.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
He talked about his prior crimes.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
What he did, how he feels about that, why he decided.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I'm already.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I'm sorry, we will not admit him into evidence because
he's so annoying his style of speech.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I already know I'd hate the guy, but but it's
also got nothing to do with it. You haven't put
together the two things that make this a crime, and
and con.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Didn't either it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
If the jury believed everything Coln said said yesterday, it
still didn't get to the how is this a crime?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right? Right? That was a load of crap. I mean, if,
and let's face it, if Michael Cohen the infos Michael
Cohen was on the stand describing which his favorite animals
are at the zoo, I would be really listening in
Washington thinking, has Michael freaking Cohen the nutjob? Wow? Look
at that? Oh he likes tigers. I like tigers, So
that meant nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Hey, it's the says who witch poles?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right, It's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is cool. I'm like twelve feet away from him. Hey,
say which poles? Which poles?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
So Saturday Night Live had a funny bit about how
teachers are fed up with their middle schoolers. We talked
about this a little, but yesterday we'll play some of
that and one particular angle of it maybe you can
relate to depending on whether you're a teacher you got
kids this age, stay tuned for this.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Armstrong he Yettie. So, I've been talking about this for
a couple of days. I have a sixth grader.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
So I knew some of these terms they used on
Saturday Night Live. Otherwise I would have been completely mystified.
Set this up and we'll just play a minute of it.
It's three teachers standing in front of a school talking
about the end of the year, and this.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Is how it went.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
Hey, kids, Wow, can you believe it? We've almost made
it to the end of the school year.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I've learned so much from my students, but sometimes the
classroom can feel like a battlefield than a war between
teachers and kids.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And now, as.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
We reflect on the twenty twenty three to twenty four
school year, we just wanted to come together with a
special message for our students.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Y'all one, y'all one, absolutely y'all want.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Y'all rude and y'all nasty.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
Not only can you not read, but you are on
drugs as spectrums that did not even exist in two
thousand and six. On top of that, speaking riddles, rizzler
giya cheeks and phantom tacks.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Look, COVID broke something.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
We can't fix it. But as for me myself personally,
I have officially endured my last skibbety toilet.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Yeah, skibbity toilet, which is, according to my son, like
the biggest thing that people talk about at school. It's
a meme on YouTube or something, a TikTok thing. We're
not on TikTok so. But yeah, and then a bunch
of those phrases there. Well you had some more earlier.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was a middle school teacher said
he was trying to teach, convince them that skibbety was
out so they'd stop saying it. But he said, other,
absolute crap. Are you sigma? That's so sigma? Did you
pray today? Is it Drake's eye? Pay the phantom tax?
Which they mentioned in SNL and outlining the jaw with
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index finger while talking about mewing my son.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
My son mentioned that one so you do this thing
with your thumb across your jawline and then you'd point
to mew or something, And I said, what the hell
is that? He said, everybody does it. All the cool
kids do it, all the popular kids do it to
each other. He said, it's outlining, outlining your jawline to
show your jawline. What's sort of a weird thing. First
(32:29):
of all, emphasizing your jawline as eleven year old seems
weird to me just in general. But I would like
to study this like as a sociologist, just the whole
need to have groups and clicks and be part of something.
We're older. So I remember whatever the popular TV show was,
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you could like, you know, bond over that because everybody
watched the same TV show.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
But there are no shared experience like that anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
The shared the closest you can get to the shared
experiences are super hot TikTok videos and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right, which are like hyper powered compared to network TV
and hyper speed. They changed so quickly that there's constant
pressure to be up on the latest thing. In a way,
I just think there are some things that middle schoolers
should not have access to. Firearms, the liquor cabinet, and
the internet. They can't handle them.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
No, my son feels great pressure to like because everybody
does it and then laughs, and it reminded me of
I remember it roughly that age, Gladys. I remember roughly
that age. One of the Steve Martin albums came out.
One of his comedy albums came out, and all of
the super popular guys would quote it all the time,
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all the time, and they would drop a quote from
the from the popular comedy album and then everybody would
just throw back their heads with laughter, and that laughter
was at laughter because you've heard this fit fifty times
by now. The laughter was I'm acknowledging, you're acknowledging. We
all are part of a group that agree on something,
whatever that is. We're a tribe, we're a tribe. Yeah,
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we're agreeing that we're part of a tribe. And my
son feels left out of the tribe because he doesn't
have TikTok or whatever. And I'm not going to change
my stance on that, but that is what it is.
You have to display there's.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
A tribe here. Are you part of the tribe? Oh,
you don't know that you're out of the tribe.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, and that's one of the main goals of a
tribe is to make clear who's not in it. Yeah,
that's part of the satisfying part.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah, that is the satisfying part.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Excluding others also like Maya Rudolph saying you're on drugs
and spectrums that didn't even exist in two thousand and six. Yeah,
and the fact that COVID broke something we can't fix.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Ah, keeping the schools closed for because of COVID.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Politically around COVID you're a side Maya broke something that
we can't fix, which I think is probably true and
will take a long time to work its way through
the system.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I would agree skimity toilet.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't care about like twenty five year old's lingo,
much less twelve year olds.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, for some reason, it feels like it ain't good,
but I can't define it.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Armstrong and Getty
From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington
Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Ago is selling waffle inspired sneakers for one hundred and
fifty dollars which come in two styles inspired by Ago
fully loaded chocolate Chip Brownie and Strawberry Delight. Fun fact,
both of these shoes contain more nutrients than an Ago waffle.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
I go to the young people's shoe stores a lot
because I got a couple of young people in my family.
The narrow casting of shoes it exists. Now, there's so
many different kinds of everything appealing to your favorite sports
team or food or whatever. The gymnasium shoe world is
(00:55):
out of control.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Off white veltro Band walking shoe. That's my go to
cream colored slip in Belcrouch shoe. Very comfortable, very practical,
both for walking in more walking.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
Both for walking and sitting on the couch watching Fox.
There for both those yelling it's the TV, so the
big news today and we'll talk more about it later.
Joe Biden challenged Donald Trump to two debates. Trump has
accepted there are going to be two debates, one in
June one, in September, if they can come to terms,
they're bypassing the normal commission, et.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Cetera, et cetera. We'll get into that later.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I thought it was interesting, and I hate to find
myself agreeing with Biden that much, but I just read
this the campaign statement on political I think it was
and they say, hey, the past debates have been like
giant spectacles as opposed to useful debates, and it's time
to get away from that.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, it's you know, okay, when the timing is pretty
handy for Joe Biden since spectacle edges to Trump's advantage
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, I would agree, yep, all right, So more on
that to come. It is a frustrating reality that we
on the conservative side of things often need at least
a little help from the mainstream media for wrongs to
be righted or good ideas to get over. You don't
(02:25):
want to. You don't like the people on cable news
or the big legacy media. They're liars, they're all lefties.
But the truth is often ideas need critical mass that
it's tough to get through just conservative media. Not always,
we can get some good stuff done, and the word spread,
but sometimes we need help. So I find this at
(02:45):
least mildly encouraging. There are two prominent pieces in the
New York Times today that are absolutely right up my
alley our alley. One is entitled how MSNBC leftward Tilt
delivers ratings and complications. The main point of the article
being a big NBC is really suffering because they have
(03:09):
affiliates all over the country, and the Nebraska NBC affiliate
is getting hell from their viewers saying why are you
running this crappy news right because MSNBC has tainted the
NBC brand. Sure, And I just thought it was interesting
that it's a pretty long and detailed article in the
New York Times saying MSNBC is way left. They don't
(03:31):
even try, they're just activists. They don't report the news
is accurate. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely is. I think it
is striking that somebody is saying that out loud.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, that is up our alley. Or do we have
one collective alley between the two of us or it
seems weird?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's uncomfortable? Yeah, okay, Does everybody keep their own alley
good meat and clean and deal with it the other
alley exactly keep your alley away from mine, and I
found this again interesting. MSNBC hosts, for their part view
their role in the political debate is more important than ever.
They dismiss the accusation that MSNBC is a Fox News
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for Democrats and say their message that mister Trump's candidacy
represents a unique and clear democracy is an urgent one
for the electorate to hear. But the rest of the
article belies that essentially and talks a great deal about
the tensions within NBC. So I thought that was notable,
and then this is perhaps even more important, and I
(04:31):
will give them credit. At the New York Times, I
feel like some of the kind of mainstream liberal, maybe
annoyingly liberal Rob Reiner type old school lefties have finally
woken up to the fact that the woke radical left
is a different beast. They can't control it. Their energy,
(04:52):
which seemed kind of useful, is now out of control,
and they're realizing that these kids believe in something they
don't believe at all. And The New York Times has
gone heavy on a couple of pieces, including this one.
It's a major interview with Hillary Cass, doctor Hillary Cass,
who was the woman who wrote the famous cast report
in Great Britain explaining why Great Britain in the National
(05:14):
Health Service needed to stop right now with the cruel
experiments on children in the whole gender bending madness field.
And man, they interview her for a long time, ask
her all the right questions, and let her blast away
at how this field of medicine is unique in that
there is no supporting evidence, There is no data, there
(05:37):
is no science backing these experiments on children. It's horrifying.
I mean, this will be looked upon as one of
the darkest moments in modern medice.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It is going to be one of those things we
look back on and think, how did that ever happen
in the modern world.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, the people were in favor of it, yelled a
lot and said you're a transphobe if you even asked
any questions. But it's a terrific interview. We'll post it.
I'm not sure if you'll get paywalled at Armstrong Andngetti
dot com. But she goes into depth how utterly unforgivable
this is, and how there is no data and that
dough and oh, and they get into the fact and
(06:14):
the New York Times that like your American medical associations
are rejecting this. They're saying, this study has no new
data or new studies. We're going to keep doing what
we're doing, which is absolutely unforgivable. What credit to the
New York Times. Could it be there's a little sanity
seeping back in?
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Could be on the topic of the media, meant to
read this yesterday in the newsletter I read every weekend,
the political news letter from Mark Alpern. He said, based
on the available evidence, the dominant media has almost entirely
given up on investigating, understanding, or explaining Donald Trump's appeal
to tens of millions of Americas, at least that portion
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of the appeal based on issues and not style or psychology,
a dangerous project of avoidance, denial, and abrogation of profess
responsibility that is approaching its tenth year. True the fact
that that Donald Trump draws one hundred thousand people in
New Jersey and nobody in any of the talk shows
and Sunday has any real interest in getting into why
(07:14):
is this appealing to over half the country right now?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What is it about increasing numbers of black folks?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Hispanics ranks? Right?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah, no interest in that or well, I think I
guess they just can't imagine it a failure of imagination,
or they'd have to deal with some uncomfortable realities that,
you know, there's a whole bunch of black people in
Hispanics and people around the country that don't like all
this trans women and boys' sports and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I mean, they really don't like that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So Yeah, like I was hinting in my previous rants,
I feel like there is more and more permission on
the left to say, hey, I don't think dudes should
be beating up on women or showing their junk in
a locker room. Finally realizing, oh, this coalition of the
left where you could never call any other, you know,
subcategory of leftist crackpot or wrong or whatever. It's starting
(08:10):
to make me feel really, really uncomfortable because these people
are advocating crap. My only quibble with with Halpern, and
he might agree with me honestly, is he said, you know,
the appeal of Trump other than style. I can't remember
precisely how he and you worded it, but I would
ask Mark, Okay, so people are drawn to this derisive,
(08:35):
kind of mean, contemptuous style. Part of that's just our
bad impulses as human beings part of it. But let's
stick into the other part of it. Why would it
appeal to people to be derisive toward mainstream beltway politics?
What is it about mainstream beltway politics that have made
(08:57):
people feel like they're being cheated and lied to and
they just want to punch it in the face. Asking
why people respond to that style, I don't think is meaningless.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
So we should check in on the what do you
want to call the trial? You don't like the names?
What do you want to call the trial? The Trump Trial?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, any name I would give to it would be
sanctimonious and overly long, the perverse law fair, Banana republic
s show, sir.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Okay, anyway, we should hush money trial. All right, you
win the hush money trial. We should check in on
some of the analysis of that. I've got a major question.
Maybe Joe can answer, because he almost went to law school,
and among other things we need to talk about.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
To stay here, I've never understood how this happens.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
NBA, the Pacers beat the Knicks by thirty five. The
other day in Game four of the playoffs night, the
nick beat them by thirty points, a sixty five point swing,
same players on the court. I have never understood how
that happens.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I'm not that big an NBA fan, but you're right.
The the role of momentum or mojo or you're either
clicking or you're not right. I know there's a huge difference.
So a couple of stories from the world of marijuana.
Number one, cheating on workplace drug tests has reached an
all time high. According to the good folks that quest Diagnostics.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Drug tests, they still drug testing for marijuana. Yeah, even
though it's legal and all over the place.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right, and the imperfections on all Right? Are you stoned
now or were you stoned last night? And you're feel
weekly a good now?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Right? Does this stay in your system for a long time?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, which is one of the other articles
we're going to get to. But yeah, it's people using
synthetic urine other people's urine yuck, or urine that's been
treated with drug masking agents.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
But I guess the labs are getting better and better.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I gotta start selling my urine perfectly drug and alcohol free.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Year.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
You're gonna test positive for donuts, But I don't think
that'll keep you out of work.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh, your urine is like a NAPA cab. I mean,
it's the finest charge, one hundred and twenty five bucks
a bottle. Big piece in the Wall Street Journal. What
you aren't hearing about marijuana's health effects. There's more and
more science linking it to psychiatric disorders, permanent brain damage,
and other serious harms. Part of the reason is you
think of the brain as gray matter, right, there's also
(11:35):
white matter. Fat. Fat insulates your brain mine in particular.
I got a fat head. But the TCHC lodges in
that fat and gets released over time into your brain,
and they just we are at the very beginning of
understanding what the strong new mind erasing pot does to
young brains especially. I think we may look back on
(11:57):
this time the way we treat our young people as saying,
oh my god, we're letting kids smoke that powerful, a
psychoactive drug.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Well, this has bothered me for a long time. There
have been some good op eds in the New York
Times about this. We got so enthused with the momentum
of the hippie generation to not treat marijuana like heroin,
which I understand why you shouldn't treat marijuana like heroin.
But it was just all positive. This is fantastic. Everybody
(12:26):
should do it. Momentum there for so long that you know,
alcohol is not even that way, and everybody shouldn't do it, and.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Certainly not do excess, and certainly not when you're young.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, they're talking about this big study. It's Mass General
Brigham McLain hospital. He's had enough names for you hospital anyway.
The addiction potential in marijuana is is higher, higher than
many other drugs, especially for young people. About thirty percent
of those who use cannabis have some degree of use disorder.
By comparison, only about thirteen and a half percent of
drinkers are estimated to be dependent on alcohol. Anybody tells
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you one is non addictive as a liar.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
What that's interesting that you say that, what percentage of.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
About thirty percent for cannabis have some degree of a
use disorder. Now that might be you know, I'm in
the habit, I smoke it when I probably shouldn't, or
it might be hardcore addiction and psychotic problems.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So that's a broad range, but that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's interesting that you say that because that's always been
the talking point is that it's non addictive.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It's it's addictive in kind of a different way than
other drugs are. There's huge psychological addiction problems. I've known
a couple of people like that. I mean they were
clearly addicted. But yeah, yeah, anyway, and this is as always,
this is not some sort of high and mighty kids
these days with their refair. No, I just I don't
want kids to do things that are terrible for the
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brains and hurt themselves for the rest of their lives.
I've known drug casualties. I know you have too. It's sad,
it's not funny. They will never be right, they will
never have happy, reductive lives because their brains are messed up.
The idea that hey, I'm gonna mess with my brain chemistry,
then it'll go back to normal no matter how many
times I mess with it.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Well, and that doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And the pot one is it's it's different than like
the hard drug casualty and that I've known a few
people that just they just don't get off their couch
and do anything.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, I mean, that's its own kind of sad life.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah. So anyway, not here to lecture, you just to
make good decisions, you know, just be honest with yourself
about what you're doing and how you're doing it. I
certainly try.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I love this. This is our man of the day.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Are armstrong and getting man of the day, Michael, congratulations
At the end. Constable of Seaside, California. It's right cheek
bujow with Monterey. If you know the geography. Judy and
the kids and I stayed in the embassy suites there
in Seaside many times during fabulous vacations to beautiful Monterey,
(14:55):
Monterey Bay, the aquarium, et cetera. So this guy, the
city officials start bug him saying that his boat is
somehow an ey sore. It was right there by the ocean.
Everybody's got a boat, but anyway, and he disagreed with him,
but he realized that this is going to get into
a big fight, and he doesn't want to get into
a fight with the city over property values. He didn't
(15:15):
mind the idea of a fence anyway around his boat
for safety reasons, and so he put up a big,
white like flat paneled fence looks to be about five
six feet high, and he had an artists come in
and paint the fence to look precisely like his boat,
so you're still looking at his boat.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
That's pretty funny. But it passed Muster and everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Everybody is this, This is the way America used to be.
Some of the city fathers there in seaside said that
is so funny and so clever. The city manager slash
police chief said, dude, you're hilarious. I'd give you a
high five. I'd love to meet you someday. And you know,
if you need anything, let me know.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Well, love that that's our man of the day, eh
does he?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Is he get a prize of some sort?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is on the way arm Strong and Getty oven Mitz So.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Well, check in next on the hush money trial and
you can hear from a couple of analysts of what
they think is going on and what has happened. I
listened to a couple of legal podcasts about it yesterday,
so I've got some commentary and questions about the whole
deal presented. The worst case scenario already, the idea that
Trump is found guilty of something at some point, barely
(16:42):
loses the election, then on appeals it's thrown out and
decided that there was a sham. That would make so
much of the electricate electorate so cynical men, that could
damage this country for a century.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
If you could show that the conviction had any effect
on the election, any negative effect on Trump's prospects, Yeah,
that would be That would be a moment of extreme
passion and anger.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
But anyway, for what happened yesterday with Cohen on the
stand and a big question I've got about the trial itself, stay.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Tuned, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
This is garbage.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
That is the best proof that you have that if
they're gonna get him go in or get him coming,
it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. This
is a sham. This is not the United States of America.
This is some third rate banana Republic. If this were
happening in another country, we would be laughing at them
as a sham democracy. I am ashamed as an American
citizen to sity in a courtroom watching the former leader
(17:41):
of the free world, and let's be honest, likely next
leader of the free world, sitting with the indignity in
this dingy, third rate courtroom with fourth rate prosecutors and
a fifth rate lawyer on the stand as a witness
who actually is violating attorney client privileged left and right.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Nobody's even talking about that.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I'm not sure the dinginess of the courtroom has anything
to do with it. That's Viveke Aramaswami, one of a
number of Republican vice presidential hopefuls that have gone to
the courthouse steps there in New York for the hush
money case, all trying out for the job of vice president.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I guess what was with.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Viveke Burgham McDonald and one other dude, all dressed in
exactly the same suit and tie. They looked like the
four tops of their jersey boys or something.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
The early Beatles. Yes, I don't know that was odd.
Nobody ever explained that.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I thought that was a bad look.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Actually, I think Vivike was right everything he said, but
I'm reminded of how annoying he is.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Wow, I liked his play on words. They get him coming,
are Cohen? Uh huh?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You're with me.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
We're in the presidence of greatness.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Lisa Murkowski, Republican senator from Alaska, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I believe so.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Anyway, she was asked yesterday why are so many Republicans
going down to the New York trial and hanging out,
he said. She said, do we have something else to
do around here other than watch a stupid porn trial.
This is ridiculous. So not everybody's enthused about going and
hanging out.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I guess I have a question about this trial, as
many people do.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But first, a little bit of analysis from the lead
on CNN, either one of those clips, Michael.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
The judge will charge this jury that if a witness
has a bias or skin in the game, you take
that testimony with caution. You know, the witness is supposed
to say, they robbed the bank, they drove the.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Car, it was blue and it was raining out. Not
I want him in jail.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
I got a little silly little T shirt on this
Cohen is reprehensible.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
So all right, that was his view. And here's the
other analyst they had on Jake Tapper's show.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
There will be an instruction in the jury instructions that
will say, if you don't believe one thing, he said,
Michael Cohen, you can choose to believe none of And
I think that's what the defense is going to say.
They're going to say you should disregard his testimony in total.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Now it's up to the jury.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
None, some are all of the.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Testimony, but this is where the defense is going and
why credibility is such a fundamental part of this cross examination.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
So any comment on anything that they said there, Yeah,
I just I've always thought, including when I was a juror,
that that was kind of a funny jury instruction.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
If you found him dishonest in one thing, you can
disregard everything he said. Yeah, I've been dealing with people
for quite a number of years. I know how all
that works. Do I feel like that was a little
momentary white lie, but he's over all a good guy, Okay?
Or do I just think he's a good lion piece
of ass. Yeah, I'm kind of up on that idea.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
So, first of all, I was taken in a legal podcast,
The Dispatch of Legal podcast is great if you've never
heard it, But David French from the New York Times
was on there and he said to this idea of
it's how could you have your main witness be a
convicted liar? And then other lawyers saying that's a common thing,
And David French said, our prisons are full of people
(21:04):
convicted by convicted other convicted criminals, and liars the way
lots of people, maybe even most people are convicted by
people that are known liars are criminals. So it's just
criminals tend to hang out with criminals. Yeah, exactly, So
that's not that uncommon. It's interesting that that gets that
take from so many legal experts on television.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
See, I would say, just because it's common doesn't mean
it has no uh a fact or no weight. It can,
it absolutely can.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Right, but and uh And David French's view and the
both the people on Jake Tapper Show on CNN, their
view is that this they still haven't at all proved
the what are the two crimes that turn this into
a felony thing at all? That that just were now
this many weeks into this thing and they haven't even
(21:57):
come close. They'ven't even touched on that. So they got
into the conversation on the CNN show with the legal
analysts all saying, you know, it might not be a
bad idea for the defense here the end of the
week to say so, the prosecution is going to do
their final comments or arguments or whatever you call it,
(22:17):
final statement, what do you call it?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Closing arguments? Not till the end the prosecution.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Yeah, well that could be coming the end of this week,
they think, so they'll do their final statement or and
then the defense should say and I didn't realize this
was the thing.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
They haven't proved their case, so we don't need to
do this.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We rest.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So what is the what is the angle on that
if you don't present your defense that I wasn't aware
of this, that's confusing to me.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, Usually you just say we're not going to call
any witnesses. The state has not come anywhere close to
proving their case. We're not going to waste the jury's time. Essentially,
you can't make a speech like that, although you will
in your closing arguments.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
So do you does that.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Is the idea that that like really hits the jury
with a Wow, they're so sure this is wrong, they're
not even gonna fight this.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Judge jump in at that point and say, yeah, you're right.
You you made all these claims and you never proved
any of them.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
This is done.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah. That I'm not sure about the judge thing. I
know there's one thing where he can summarily do something
or other, but I wish I was an actual experienced
trial attorney to answer your question specifically, But yeah, I'm
familiar with that being done. It is kind of grand standy.
It's it's a statement that these jokers did so poorly,
we're not even gonna bother and and then you make
(23:44):
a closing argument, you point out the weakness is in
their case and give it to the jury.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Anyway, all the legal analysts on Jake Tapper Show thought
that that that that's what they should do, and unless
something changes in the next couple of days that look,
they came in here with you, We've got to have
these two things come together to make this a felony.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
They didn't even bring that up. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right? I think I speak for a hell of a
lot of Americans who is troubled by the idea that
if that happens, that would be a complete confirmation that
this case has been purely a hatchet job to get
Trump off the campaign trail, that it was so bad
that the jury didn't even have to hear from the defense.
(24:29):
I mean, that would be a pretty scathing indictment of
the state's case, or the city's case, or Alvin Bragg,
who whatever the hell he is, to the point that
there needs to be a sanction for that sort of thing.
Maybe it's just at the ballot box, but is Vvek
was in as usual I'm smarter than everybody and always
(24:50):
angry style, trying to communicate the fact that this is
a horrible thing to try in our system.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Well, some of the aalysis is that the reason Trump
has been so subdued. So he got all of those
contempt to courts, and then the judge threatened jail time,
and then we thought, well, he's going to go for
the jail time. But he's been pretty subdued, and that
that might be because he and his defense team or
his defense team has talked to him and said, look,
we're we're killing it here. They've done nothing. I don't
(25:20):
think they're going to do anything. We're not even gonna
We're just gonna say we got nothing, your honor. We
don't even need to do it. They haven't present, they
haven't proven their case, so we don't need to push
back that. Trump's just said, okay, we're up by thirty,
Well let's go into the prevent defense.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And that might be.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Saying, if your opponent is digging themselves a hole, don't take.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Away their shovel or whatever something like that.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yeah, so maybe that is the strategy of why Trump's
gone kind of quiet on this, is that just wow,
they don't they have less than we even thought they did.
One thing that came up that I thought would have
been interesting, that angry guy, the clip we played a
little bit ago that that analyst from CNN. He said,
the first question to Cohen should have been, and this
(26:03):
would have been a good one, do you consider yourself
an honest man?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
How how would have you possibly answered that?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I don't know either. I think that check mate. That
is a pretty good checkmate question.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I don't see how you could answer that without like
really doing yourself some damage.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Wow, I you know, I had to think about it
for several seconds. The yeah, this shrimp store called or
whatever the jerk store called. But he'd say, well, I
consider myself an attorney. That'd be a pretty good answer.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
And then point at the guy, the lawyer that just
and hold up a mirror.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh hey, yeah, why do you have a mirror? The
judgment he brought a mirror with you. That's that's a
prop your honor. So I could own that guy. That's
what I was trying to do and I believe we
can all agree I did. Ladies and gentlemen of the
jury High five. Don't leave me hanging.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Oh no, I'm perfectly comfortable as a juror. I don't
know if it comes off this way. Again, it's very
hard to separate what the jurors here from. You know,
they're not getting on the list cable news show and
analyzing of all these different things.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
They're coming to this on their own.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But I could easily say, well, yeah, he lied and
was willing to go to jail for Donald Trump, and
then at some point he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
That's not impossible to understand, is it. No, not at all,
And that was part of my No. I consider myself
an attorney. He hired me to make an argument. I
made that argument. I didn't believe it, but I was
hired to make that argument.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, well, this is going to wrap up fairly soon,
they think, and I think that it's not going to
move the needle no matter. I think it'll move the
needle more on an acquittal than a conviction.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I will be interested to see. Getting back to the
theme earlier of there are certain mainstream lefty publications that
are realizing the woke, nutty left is dangerous, and they're
starting to come back a little bit to the principles
that used to guide them. Would I can't wait to
see what the reaction is when this case falls apart,
(28:17):
is spanked and sent to bed without its supper, I mean,
exposed as just a joke of a case, if there
will be widespread discussion of that fact.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
To be fair, here, let's hear some analysts are on
the other side of this. Of course they're on MSNBC.
This is Andrew Weissman on Morning Joe Today.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I would say the last hour of Michael Collins's direct
testimony was pretty riveting because he was looking, by and
large directly at the jurors, and the jurors we are
looking directly at him as.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
He talked about his prior crimes.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
What he did, how he feels about that, why he decided.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I'm already.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I'm sorry, we will not admit him into evidence because
he's so annoying his style of speech.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I already know I'd hate the guy, but but it's
also got nothing to do with it. You haven't put
together the two things that make this a crime, and
and con.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Didn't either it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
If the jury believed everything Coln said said yesterday, it
still didn't get to the how is this a crime?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right? Right? That was a load of crap. I mean, if,
and let's face it, if Michael Cohen the infos Michael
Cohen was on the stand describing which his favorite animals
are at the zoo, I would be really listening in
Washington thinking, has Michael freaking Cohen the nutjob? Wow? Look
at that? Oh he likes tigers. I like tigers, So
that meant nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Hey, it's the says who witch poles?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right, It's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
This is cool. I'm like twelve feet away from him. Hey,
say which poles? Which poles?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
So Saturday Night Live had a funny bit about how
teachers are fed up with their middle schoolers. We talked
about this a little, but yesterday we'll play some of
that and one particular angle of it maybe you can
relate to depending on whether you're a teacher you got
kids this age, stay tuned for this.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Armstrong he Yettie. So, I've been talking about this for
a couple of days. I have a sixth grader.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
So I knew some of these terms they used on
Saturday Night Live. Otherwise I would have been completely mystified.
Set this up and we'll just play a minute of it.
It's three teachers standing in front of a school talking
about the end of the year, and this.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Is how it went.
Speaker 10 (30:35):
Hey, kids, Wow, can you believe it? We've almost made
it to the end of the school year.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I've learned so much from my students, but sometimes the
classroom can feel like a battlefield than a war between
teachers and kids.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
And now, as.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
We reflect on the twenty twenty three to twenty four
school year, we just wanted to come together with a
special message for our students.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Y'all one, y'all one, absolutely y'all want.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Y'all rude and y'all nasty.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
Not only can you not read, but you are on
drugs as spectrums that did not even exist in two
thousand and six. On top of that, speaking riddles, rizzler
giya cheeks and phantom tacks.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Look, COVID broke something.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
We can't fix it. But as for me myself personally,
I have officially endured my last skibbety toilet.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Yeah, skibbity toilet, which is, according to my son, like
the biggest thing that people talk about at school. It's
a meme on YouTube or something, a TikTok thing. We're
not on TikTok so. But yeah, and then a bunch
of those phrases there. Well you had some more earlier.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was a middle school teacher said
he was trying to teach, convince them that skibbety was
out so they'd stop saying it. But he said, other,
absolute crap. Are you sigma? That's so sigma? Did you
pray today? Is it Drake's eye? Pay the phantom tax?
Which they mentioned in SNL and outlining the jaw with
(32:05):
index finger while talking about mewing my son.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
My son mentioned that one so you do this thing
with your thumb across your jawline and then you'd point
to mew or something, And I said, what the hell
is that? He said, everybody does it. All the cool
kids do it, all the popular kids do it to
each other. He said, it's outlining, outlining your jawline to
show your jawline. What's sort of a weird thing. First
(32:29):
of all, emphasizing your jawline as eleven year old seems
weird to me just in general. But I would like
to study this like as a sociologist, just the whole
need to have groups and clicks and be part of something.
We're older. So I remember whatever the popular TV show was,
(32:53):
you could like, you know, bond over that because everybody
watched the same TV show.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
But there are no shared experience like that anymore.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
The shared the closest you can get to the shared
experiences are super hot TikTok videos and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right, which are like hyper powered compared to network TV
and hyper speed. They changed so quickly that there's constant
pressure to be up on the latest thing. In a way,
I just think there are some things that middle schoolers
should not have access to. Firearms, the liquor cabinet, and
the internet. They can't handle them.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
No, my son feels great pressure to like because everybody
does it and then laughs, and it reminded me of
I remember it roughly that age, Gladys. I remember roughly
that age. One of the Steve Martin albums came out.
One of his comedy albums came out, and all of
the super popular guys would quote it all the time,
(33:50):
all the time, and they would drop a quote from
the from the popular comedy album and then everybody would
just throw back their heads with laughter, and that laughter
was at laughter because you've heard this fit fifty times
by now. The laughter was I'm acknowledging, you're acknowledging. We
all are part of a group that agree on something,
whatever that is. We're a tribe, we're a tribe. Yeah,
(34:11):
we're agreeing that we're part of a tribe. And my
son feels left out of the tribe because he doesn't
have TikTok or whatever. And I'm not going to change
my stance on that, but that is what it is.
You have to display there's.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
A tribe here. Are you part of the tribe? Oh,
you don't know that you're out of the tribe.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, and that's one of the main goals of a
tribe is to make clear who's not in it. Yeah,
that's part of the satisfying part.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Yeah, that is the satisfying part.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Excluding others also like Maya Rudolph saying you're on drugs
and spectrums that didn't even exist in two thousand and six. Yeah,
and the fact that COVID broke something we can't fix.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Ah, keeping the schools closed for because of COVID.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Politically around COVID you're a side Maya broke something that
we can't fix, which I think is probably true and
will take a long time to work its way through
the system.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I would agree skimity toilet.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't care about like twenty five year old's lingo,
much less twelve year olds.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, for some reason, it feels like it ain't good,
but I can't define it.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
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