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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Alex Stone is joining us now from ABC News,
and Alex, you know you've reported on this before with
us on the show Ye And so now it looks
like I'm wondering the lawsuits and so on are probably
getting ready to fire up, I would imagine, right.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, post wildfires out here, there are already a bunch
of lawsuits against different entities, like the power company because
at least in the Outadena fires, seems like southern California
edison that may have been responsible, may have been their equipment.
But now there is a new investigation that is being
launched by about fourteen members of Congress because of all
the problems. And it could have been here, it could
(00:39):
have been in Columbus, it could have been anywhere. With
the wireless emergency alerts to go off on your cell
phone during an emergency, you know, kind of like an
amber alert where it makes the tone and then you
get the message on your phone, and in some of
the areas they didn't go off at all. That's being investigated.
But what this is going to look into is the
erroneous ones that did go off where they told ten
(00:59):
millillion people you're in danger, get out when they weren't
in any danger and they were like fifty miles away
from it, and it created panic and people began muting
their alerts because they didn't want to get them. So
it's this whole thing of trying to understand how the
wireless alerts work and what went wrong and it could
be anywhere in the world where they need to be
(01:19):
used of why didn't they work correctly? And being led
by Congressman Robert Garcia, and he told them.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This was a state emergency where there was a clear
failure in our system to get the public the information
they needed.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And his biggest concern is, ye have people are going
to ignore them. It's going to be like crying wolf
where they do go off and people pay no attention
to them because they've gotten mistaken ones and they just
did not work. And when they mistakenly went off telling
tons of people that they needed to evacuate when they didn't.
There was a county employee in charge of the alerts
who said this was technology, not humans doing it, that
(01:52):
it was technology sending out these alerts. This was the apology.
First of all, I want to clarify this is not
human driven.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
There is no one sitting at a desk right now
initiating emergency alerts.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The Congressman Garcia saying, wait, what this is a computer
doing it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
On a tell we have somehow an automated system that's
sending out alerts without any sort of human control. To
be able to stop that or to fix that issue
as it's happening is really concerning.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, So guys, they're demanding answers now from not only
here locally from the county, but they want FEMA and
the FCC and the software company that they used to
send out these alerts here in jurisdictions all over the
country to better understand why all of this went on
and trying to get some answers.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know, as smart as AI is and these computer
systems and so on, there always has to be a
human element involved. And this is a shining example of
that computer can.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Be assuming that there wasn't that, you know, he said
that there wasn't when the county rep came up and
apologized for it. But it seems like if these are
being written and the messages in there saying these areas
and evacuate now the wildfire is approaching, there's got to
be a human doing that. Right, This isn't just a
computer looking at video going let's evacuate that area now
that there's got to be a human behind there, and
(03:10):
that's why they want some of the answers.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Oh, there's so many things that need to be evaluated
there as And so you said there are lawsuits happening now, Oh, yeah,
there are.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Quite a few.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
There are a number against Southern California Edison for the
fire that looks like it started underneath power lines, even
though Southern California Edison keeps saying, well, it wasn't us,
we didn't do it, but the most likely link seems
to go back to them. And then in the Palisades
fire against the Department of Water and Power for not
having a reservoir that's been talked about quite a bit
(03:43):
not having water in it because they were doing maintenance
on it. So there's yeah, there's a lot of lawsuits
being filed, and at least it looks like for Southern
California Edison if they are found responsible, which they have
not determined that yet. If they are, could be billions
and billions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh man, this is absolutely crazy. We'll be continuing to
follow it, no question. Alex Stone, ABC News. Alex, thank
you very much.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
See you man. I was just thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
As much technology as we have, it's like the more
technology we have, the more idiotic things happen. It's bizarre
to me that they can't get something as simple as
this figured out. And by simple, I just mean it's
specific areas that it seems so elementary to me.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You know, as long as stupid people are controlling of
efficient technology, the result is stupid. And that is that's
you know, we were talking about the ai and so forth.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Earlier.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Remember back to the Hawaiian fires these lawsuits are talking
about with California Edison, there was speculation all the Hawaiian
Electric Company or whatever did not have whatever came of that.
You never heard anything because it was, you know, unpopular
to say that somebody was at fault. California as long
(05:02):
as you have people out there right now that are
lamenting Donald Trump having those dams opened up, and they're, oh,
we're wasting all that beautiful water. Yeah, what idiots. You've
got too many idiots in control of things out there.
And California is about to bankrupt itself with all the
liberal juries that are going to award huge punitive damages
that the state's going to be paying. They don't have
(05:24):
the money to pay it. They're already in the hole.
This could end very badly for the state of California.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, it's funny as long as there's you know, Congress
is involved in this and investigate, you know, depending on
who really is at fault. If it's convenient for them
to go ahead and get them, then they will. If
they're not, because some of these companies that they're going
to try, they'll be like, well and it'll it'll be blurry,
it'll be pixelated, if you will. And you know what loftis,
(05:50):
Michael Loftis who was on on ME Friday. He brought
up a great point because they already have the guy
in custody and sentenced who had the drone that flew
into one of those planes that like put a gash
in the plane that was dousing the area flying over
those There was two of them, if you'll remember, right,
and they're both red, I remember, but there was a.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Hole in the one.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And so they already have the guy who flew that
drone and he's already been sentenced. And you know, Loftus's
is basically was going, you know, it's amazing that they're
able to get that stuff figured out so quickly in
a situation like that, But then you're going to have
this that just drones on and on and they're never
really probably going to arrive at any kind of answer.
(06:36):
And I feel like it's going to get swept under
the rug, or it's going to be reduced greatly any
kind of penalty or anything like that, because there's going
to be people that are at fault, that have too
much money that have contributed to California government and they're
going to get off easy for obvious reasons.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That like Hawaii dropping off because it was something you
didn't want to talk about. There's too much money involved,
too many high level officials involved. Suddenly we just stop
asking and if you don't talk about it, people forget it.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Switching gears, I saw this opinion piece again, and this
is a guy. He's a doctor. He lives in Cincinnati
with his wife and kids, and it's entitled I'm tired
of reckless Ohio drivers. The traffic camera ban is dangerous?
The traffic camera ban?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
What traffic camera ban is dangerous?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The traffic cameras are. If you'll remember, it was like
a whole thing at one point that they were being
used as basically moneymakers, and they were getting people on
kind of goofy stuck.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Okay, that's the red light cameras that we've got traffic
cameras all over the place. Dude, I don't know what
you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
There're so this guy was like the other day, I
was out of red light.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Car pulls up next to me and just forward to
check the cross traffic, then shot across the intersection while
the light was still red. Recently, I saw motorcyclists do
the same thing during rush hour, and it was in
one of Cincinnati's busiest streets, right in front of the
UC Medical Center. He went through one red light, then another,
until he passed out a site over a hill. He says,
he goes on to go. I've witness people stop and
(08:14):
run through red lights all over town, including at smaller
intersections in my neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
A few years ago, these would have been rare in
bizarre sites.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Nowadays, it's common occurrence to sea drivers not just stretching,
but blatantly breaking traffic laws and putting lives in danger.
Traffic camera ban must be lifted. Unfortunately, in Ohio, one
of the best ways to catch and punish dangerous driving
is off the table.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
According to this article, that's absolutely wrong. Who wrote it?
What's his name, that's Chris Wood.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Is this an opinion piece.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Or is yeah, yeah, that's what I said at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Okay, well no, I mean I'm wondering because.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
In twenty thirteen, Ohio legislature banned cities from using traffic
cameras to catch speeding in red light right. The ban
was overturned by the courts, but then indirectly re implemented
by the legislature. The ban was enacted to stop cities
from using traffic cameras to increase city revenue, and out
of concern the civil penalties imposed through cameras were where
(09:13):
with the criminal penalties a police officer could impose. This
was always an absurd rationale, since the revenue from traffic
cameras is minuscule compared to most city budgets and goals.
On the it's also a violation of local sovereignty. They
go on to talk about. So according to this that
what here's the thing with this. I mean, I understand
(09:35):
that you know.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
What he said.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
This is not something that I've witnessed. I don't remember
the last time I've witnessed somebody do that during normal hours,
and by that I mean rush hour and.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So on, late at night.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
If you're sitting at an intersection, and we know how
this works, if you're not tripping the light to change
for you, and you're sitting there and literally there are
no lights in any direc and you're just.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting, and you put
in reverse.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm very, very guilty of this, and I'm not I'm
really not out laid anymore.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I'm staring at the back of my eyelids when this
would be happening because you're old.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But early on I used to back up, pull forward,
move to the left, move to the right, back up.
I would try to get the light to change, and
sometimes going through that light right then you are hoping
that there's not an officer sitting off to the whatever
in the darkness waiting on you to do that and
get you. But I don't really witness this. According to
(10:32):
this guy, it's like a normal occurrence. I don't know
abou where you.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Got to see it.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
All the time. I agree with him that there is
a problem on the roads. People are idiots. But let's
face it, We've got a state full of people that
perhaps are some from somewhere that didn't even have paved roads,
and they're on the road among us now. So that's yeah,
that's real. I watched stop signs and red lights get
run every day. Here's the problem with what you're saying.
First of all, there are municipal there are police, There
(10:57):
are O DOT cameras all over the state of Ohio.
What is gone is the revenue generation cameras, like the
red light cameras we had from red Flux here in
Columbus that if you got tagged by one of those,
there were no points on your driver's license for running
the red light. Your insurance company was not notified that
you were running red light. So the only thing you
(11:19):
did was pay the city money. It was like the
mob going a we got something on you, that's all
it was. It had nothing to do with safety, everything
to do with taking money out of your pocket.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, So if you root that in safety, then is
it something that But but I think there's some sort
of statute that says there has to be in order
to hit you with points, which then elevates your insurance rates. Right,
So for all of that to happen, it cannot be
mechanical in nature. I feel like there's right, there's way.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
There has to be an officer president. It can still
be mechanical, but there has to be an officer president. Now,
Franklin Township was doing yes over on Demerist Road. There
was an automated camera, but there was an officer sitting
with the camera whenever it was in use, so that
he could say yeah, I saw or she could say yes,
I saw this happening when the camera alerted me that
it was about to do this. So I mean that
(12:16):
was fine. I don't know if they're still doing that
or not, but they were down by the VFW on
Demeris between Columbus and Grove City. Columbus just pulled the
cameras out because honestly, if they gave up money gave it,
then they must have probably been doing something they didn't
want anybody ask questions about. So let's just get rid
of them, forget it, we're done, cancel the contracts, send
the cameras back. We're done.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So then okay, to this guy's point, if they do
start trying to use those again, there are certain statutes
that would have to change in the law, and that
is a whole another can of worms to try to
get that figured out. But would that then if those
did change and it became stiffer, if you really were
(12:58):
doing that, would that then slowed down people doing stuff
like that?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And you know what, here's here's the other thing with this.
I always tell my wife this too when I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But like, we'll be somebody el road it feels like
they're road raging, or they go fly and buy me,
or around me and turn.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I go, that guy's probably got a poop. I go.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You really don't know what people are doing. Is he
in a hurry to go to get home because he's tired.
I don't know about all that. All I know is
when someone's driving like that, I'm like, whoa, I just bat.
I'm like, okay, go go, go go.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I'm not in your way.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Just please, you know, don't don't don't start cracking shots
at me. Don't start firing at me. It's all I'm
after in that situation. But you never know what somebody
is dealing with right in that spot, and not that
it's justified, but uh sometimes you know, I always default
to nature's calling and calling and calling and calling.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But do you think if there was an actual officer
there that pulled you over, you could say, hey, I
got a hoop and they would let you go.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I don't think they would let you go. I think
before they even get up to the car, it's a
done deal.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And you better have depends on or you better have
like seats that aren't cloth.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Get Afternoon officer, perhaps you can smell the problem. Could
you just write the tickets so I can go home
right now, please,
All right, Alex Stone is joining us now from ABC News,
and Alex, you know you've reported on this before with
us on the show Ye And so now it looks
like I'm wondering the lawsuits and so on are probably
getting ready to fire up, I would imagine, right.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah, post wildfires out here, there are already a bunch
of lawsuits against different entities, like the power company because
at least in the Outadena fires, seems like southern California
edison that may have been responsible, may have been their equipment.
But now there is a new investigation that is being
launched by about fourteen members of Congress because of all
the problems. And it could have been here, it could
(00:39):
have been in Columbus, it could have been anywhere. With
the wireless emergency alerts to go off on your cell
phone during an emergency, you know, kind of like an
amber alert where it makes the tone and then you
get the message on your phone, and in some of
the areas they didn't go off at all. That's being investigated.
But what this is going to look into is the
erroneous ones that did go off where they told ten
(00:59):
millillion people you're in danger, get out when they weren't
in any danger and they were like fifty miles away
from it, and it created panic and people began muting
their alerts because they didn't want to get them. So
it's this whole thing of trying to understand how the
wireless alerts work and what went wrong and it could
be anywhere in the world where they need to be
(01:19):
used of why didn't they work correctly? And being led
by Congressman Robert Garcia, and he told them.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This was a state emergency where there was a clear
failure in our system to get the public the information
they needed.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And his biggest concern is, ye have people are going
to ignore them. It's going to be like crying wolf
where they do go off and people pay no attention
to them because they've gotten mistaken ones and they just
did not work. And when they mistakenly went off telling
tons of people that they needed to evacuate when they didn't.
There was a county employee in charge of the alerts
who said this was technology, not humans doing it, that
(01:52):
it was technology sending out these alerts. This was the apology.
First of all, I want to clarify this is not
human driven.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
There is no one sitting at a desk right now
initiating emergency alerts.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The Congressman Garcia saying, wait, what this is a computer
doing it?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
On a tell we have somehow an automated system that's
sending out alerts without any sort of human control. To
be able to stop that or to fix that issue
as it's happening is really concerning.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, So guys, they're demanding answers now from not only
here locally from the county, but they want FEMA and
the FCC and the software company that they used to
send out these alerts here in jurisdictions all over the
country to better understand why all of this went on
and trying to get some answers.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know, as smart as AI is and these computer
systems and so on, there always has to be a
human element involved. And this is a shining example of
that computer can.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Be assuming that there wasn't that, you know, he said
that there wasn't when the county rep came up and
apologized for it. But it seems like if these are
being written and the messages in there saying these areas
and evacuate now the wildfire is approaching, there's got to
be a human doing that. Right, This isn't just a
computer looking at video going let's evacuate that area now
that there's got to be a human behind there, and
(03:10):
that's why they want some of the answers.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Oh, there's so many things that need to be evaluated
there as And so you said there are lawsuits happening now, Oh, yeah,
there are.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Quite a few.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
There are a number against Southern California Edison for the
fire that looks like it started underneath power lines, even
though Southern California Edison keeps saying, well, it wasn't us,
we didn't do it, but the most likely link seems
to go back to them. And then in the Palisades
fire against the Department of Water and Power for not
having a reservoir that's been talked about quite a bit
(03:43):
not having water in it because they were doing maintenance
on it. So there's yeah, there's a lot of lawsuits
being filed, and at least it looks like for Southern
California Edison if they are found responsible, which they have
not determined that yet. If they are, could be billions
and billions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh man, this is absolutely crazy. We'll be continuing to
follow it, no question. Alex Stone, ABC News. Alex, thank
you very much.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
See you man. I was just thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
As much technology as we have, it's like the more
technology we have, the more idiotic things happen. It's bizarre
to me that they can't get something as simple as
this figured out. And by simple, I just mean it's
specific areas that it seems so elementary to me.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
You know, as long as stupid people are controlling of
efficient technology, the result is stupid. And that is that's
you know, we were talking about the ai and so forth.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Earlier.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Remember back to the Hawaiian fires these lawsuits are talking
about with California Edison, there was speculation all the Hawaiian
Electric Company or whatever did not have whatever came of that.
You never heard anything because it was, you know, unpopular
to say that somebody was at fault. California as long
(05:02):
as you have people out there right now that are
lamenting Donald Trump having those dams opened up, and they're, oh,
we're wasting all that beautiful water. Yeah, what idiots. You've
got too many idiots in control of things out there.
And California is about to bankrupt itself with all the
liberal juries that are going to award huge punitive damages
that the state's going to be paying. They don't have
(05:24):
the money to pay it. They're already in the hole.
This could end very badly for the state of California.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, it's funny as long as there's you know, Congress
is involved in this and investigate, you know, depending on
who really is at fault. If it's convenient for them
to go ahead and get them, then they will. If
they're not, because some of these companies that they're going
to try, they'll be like, well and it'll it'll be blurry,
it'll be pixelated, if you will. And you know what loftis,
(05:50):
Michael Loftis who was on on ME Friday. He brought
up a great point because they already have the guy
in custody and sentenced who had the drone that flew
into one of those planes that like put a gash
in the plane that was dousing the area flying over
those There was two of them, if you'll remember, right,
and they're both red, I remember, but there was a.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Hole in the one.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And so they already have the guy who flew that
drone and he's already been sentenced. And you know, Loftus's
is basically was going, you know, it's amazing that they're
able to get that stuff figured out so quickly in
a situation like that, But then you're going to have
this that just drones on and on and they're never
really probably going to arrive at any kind of answer.
(06:36):
And I feel like it's going to get swept under
the rug, or it's going to be reduced greatly any
kind of penalty or anything like that, because there's going
to be people that are at fault, that have too
much money that have contributed to California government and they're
going to get off easy for obvious reasons.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That like Hawaii dropping off because it was something you
didn't want to talk about. There's too much money involved,
too many high level officials involved. Suddenly we just stop
asking and if you don't talk about it, people forget it.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Switching gears, I saw this opinion piece again, and this
is a guy. He's a doctor. He lives in Cincinnati
with his wife and kids, and it's entitled I'm tired
of reckless Ohio drivers. The traffic camera ban is dangerous?
The traffic camera ban?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
What traffic camera ban is dangerous?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
The traffic cameras are. If you'll remember, it was like
a whole thing at one point that they were being
used as basically moneymakers, and they were getting people on
kind of goofy stuck.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Okay, that's the red light cameras that we've got traffic
cameras all over the place. Dude, I don't know what
you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
There're so this guy was like the other day, I
was out of red light.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Car pulls up next to me and just forward to
check the cross traffic, then shot across the intersection while
the light was still red. Recently, I saw motorcyclists do
the same thing during rush hour, and it was in
one of Cincinnati's busiest streets, right in front of the
UC Medical Center. He went through one red light, then another,
until he passed out a site over a hill. He says,
he goes on to go. I've witness people stop and
(08:14):
run through red lights all over town, including at smaller
intersections in my neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
A few years ago, these would have been rare in
bizarre sites.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Nowadays, it's common occurrence to sea drivers not just stretching,
but blatantly breaking traffic laws and putting lives in danger.
Traffic camera ban must be lifted. Unfortunately, in Ohio, one
of the best ways to catch and punish dangerous driving
is off the table.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
According to this article, that's absolutely wrong. Who wrote it?
What's his name, that's Chris Wood.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Is this an opinion piece.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Or is yeah, yeah, that's what I said at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Okay, well no, I mean I'm wondering because.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
In twenty thirteen, Ohio legislature banned cities from using traffic
cameras to catch speeding in red light right. The ban
was overturned by the courts, but then indirectly re implemented
by the legislature. The ban was enacted to stop cities
from using traffic cameras to increase city revenue, and out
of concern the civil penalties imposed through cameras were where
(09:13):
with the criminal penalties a police officer could impose. This
was always an absurd rationale, since the revenue from traffic
cameras is minuscule compared to most city budgets and goals.
On the it's also a violation of local sovereignty. They
go on to talk about. So according to this that
what here's the thing with this. I mean, I understand
(09:35):
that you know.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
What he said.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
This is not something that I've witnessed. I don't remember
the last time I've witnessed somebody do that during normal hours,
and by that I mean rush hour and.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
So on, late at night.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
If you're sitting at an intersection, and we know how
this works, if you're not tripping the light to change
for you, and you're sitting there and literally there are
no lights in any direc and you're just.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting, and you put
in reverse.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm very, very guilty of this, and I'm not I'm
really not out laid anymore.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
I'm staring at the back of my eyelids when this
would be happening because you're old.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But early on I used to back up, pull forward,
move to the left, move to the right, back up.
I would try to get the light to change, and
sometimes going through that light right then you are hoping
that there's not an officer sitting off to the whatever
in the darkness waiting on you to do that and
get you. But I don't really witness this. According to
(10:32):
this guy, it's like a normal occurrence. I don't know
abou where you.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Got to see it.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
All the time. I agree with him that there is
a problem on the roads. People are idiots. But let's
face it, We've got a state full of people that
perhaps are some from somewhere that didn't even have paved roads,
and they're on the road among us now. So that's yeah,
that's real. I watched stop signs and red lights get
run every day. Here's the problem with what you're saying.
First of all, there are municipal there are police, There
(10:57):
are O DOT cameras all over the state of Ohio.
What is gone is the revenue generation cameras, like the
red light cameras we had from red Flux here in
Columbus that if you got tagged by one of those,
there were no points on your driver's license for running
the red light. Your insurance company was not notified that
you were running red light. So the only thing you
(11:19):
did was pay the city money. It was like the
mob going a we got something on you, that's all
it was. It had nothing to do with safety, everything
to do with taking money out of your pocket.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, So if you root that in safety, then is
it something that But but I think there's some sort
of statute that says there has to be in order
to hit you with points, which then elevates your insurance rates. Right,
So for all of that to happen, it cannot be
mechanical in nature. I feel like there's right, there's way.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
There has to be an officer president. It can still
be mechanical, but there has to be an officer president. Now,
Franklin Township was doing yes over on Demerist Road. There
was an automated camera, but there was an officer sitting
with the camera whenever it was in use, so that
he could say yeah, I saw or she could say yes,
I saw this happening when the camera alerted me that
it was about to do this. So I mean that
(12:16):
was fine. I don't know if they're still doing that
or not, but they were down by the VFW on
Demeris between Columbus and Grove City. Columbus just pulled the
cameras out because honestly, if they gave up money gave it,
then they must have probably been doing something they didn't
want anybody ask questions about. So let's just get rid
of them, forget it, we're done, cancel the contracts, send
the cameras back. We're done.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So then okay, to this guy's point, if they do
start trying to use those again, there are certain statutes
that would have to change in the law, and that
is a whole another can of worms to try to
get that figured out. But would that then if those
did change and it became stiffer, if you really were
(12:58):
doing that, would that then slowed down people doing stuff
like that?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And you know what, here's here's the other thing with this.
I always tell my wife this too when I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But like, we'll be somebody el road it feels like
they're road raging, or they go fly and buy me,
or around me and turn.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I go, that guy's probably got a poop. I go.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You really don't know what people are doing. Is he
in a hurry to go to get home because he's tired.
I don't know about all that. All I know is
when someone's driving like that, I'm like, whoa, I just bat.
I'm like, okay, go go, go go.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I'm not in your way.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Just please, you know, don't don't don't start cracking shots
at me. Don't start firing at me. It's all I'm
after in that situation. But you never know what somebody
is dealing with right in that spot, and not that
it's justified, but uh sometimes you know, I always default
to nature's calling and calling and calling and calling.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But do you think if there was an actual officer
there that pulled you over, you could say, hey, I
got a hoop and they would let you go.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I don't think they would let you go. I think
before they even get up to the car, it's a
done deal.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And you better have depends on or you better have
like seats that aren't cloth.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Get Afternoon officer, perhaps you can smell the problem. Could
you just write the tickets so I can go home
right now, please,
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