The Blazor Show Thursday 1/30/2025

News, Politics, Sports

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mark Bleezer Show.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right away we go, welcome in, Martin Brazer, Chuck Douglas. So, yeah,
I'm watching TV last night and I think you had
sent me a message too. And yeah, about nine o'clock
last night was when everything all hell broke loose. Let's

(00:37):
just say it. And you know, it's just before nine
o'clock American Airlines flight five three four to two sixty
four souls on board, collide with a black Hawk helicopter.
There were three service members on board. It was along
the Potomac River near the Reagan National Airport, Washington, DC.
Plane was traveling from Wichita, Kansas to Washington, d C.

(01:00):
I know you've heard that over and over all day,
but that is to kind of set this up. And gosh,
I you know earlier I see it was a tweet
from the president, President Trump, and he was talking about
He said the airplane was on a perfect and routine
line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going

(01:23):
straight at the airplane for an extended period of time.
It was a clear night. Lights on the plane were blazing.
Why didn't the helicopter go up or down or turn?
Why didn't the control tower tell the helicopter what to
do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This
is a bad situation that looks like it should have
been prevented. Not good. And that was a President Trump

(01:45):
tweet from earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
We have we have two options here. Somebody messed up
really really bad or something really really bad happened one
or the other. There's not a lot of middle ground
here that Blackhawk. And I'm sure Don can tell you. Man,
these things you take them out into battle, they'll dodge
missiles coming at him. Yeah, with all that time, all

(02:07):
that light on a clear night, why why just it's
not making sense.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
You've heard him on the show a million times. He
is Ross Wealth Advisors, Don Ross. He is retired Army
chopper pilot and he's joining us now. And he flew
the black Hawk helo. As a matter of fact, you
hit me this morning, Don, and you sent me a
note and said, you know, absolutely devastating what's happening. And
you know how you flew that bird. As a matter

(02:32):
of fact, it's pictured on your book, you know. And
I just don't know where to begin with this. I mean,
when you saw this, what were you thinking? As somebody
who's spent hours and hours and hours and hours flying
the black Hawk helicopter.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, it's clearly final error. But I want to propose
because I'm sure we have pilots listening that you know,
it is a routine training and that's very normal. So
it wasn't inexperienced pilots ran like that.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
I'm not familiar with that area. I've been to Fort Belvoir.
We used to go there.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
For simulator training, but it was probably a route they
have flown many times and they had.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
To brief it pretty thoroughly.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
So what happens is they decide tonight or last night
was going to be a check ride. So I'm assuming
one of the pilots was an instructor pilot, and they
do a little table talk, They fill out a flight plan,
and then they fill out a risk assessment. The risk
assessment will have a number coordinated to it. The higher

(03:45):
the number, the higher the ranking authority to sign off
on it. But pretty standard ride. So what happened at
the crash, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
It's it's just perplexing. That's why they call it an accident.
I don't know if the.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
If the instructor was thinking the inbound airline was taking
runway one, but it switched to runaway three three, or
they both temperar looked into the cockpit.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't know what, So well let me ask you too.
And Don Ross is joining us now, who is retired
Army chopper pilot. He flew the black Hawk. Uh sixty
is the one that they're talking about here? Is that
the same one that you flew?

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Uh an army helicopters that you means utility, Amy's attack
and sea means cargo.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
So it's uh sixty correct.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, So when you you know, you have people talking
about I've seen all kinds of talking heads all day
talking about it, saying, yeah, you know, are they were
the pilots, were the were the helicopter pilots just not
paying attention? Or were they you know, was the was
the air aline? Was the aircraft able to somehow divert
you know, seeing that was in their path or what

(05:05):
have you. There were no instruments saying, you know, pull up,
pull up, you know, we see that stuff. And I
think somewhat some of that is probably relatively realistic as
far as what they hear, you know, as far as
the pilots of both aircraft at this point. But with
the you know, I was thinking about how they talked
about couldn't they see each other and that kind of thing.

(05:27):
But you talk about the speed that's involved. You close
very quickly on some especially if they're heading toward each other,
and you know, it could be a situation where by
the time there's visual confirmation it is way too late
at that point, right. I mean, for an airliner to
be coming in, they got to be going what two
hundred and fifty miles an hour at least, I don't know.

(05:49):
I'm just guessing.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Now he was on final approach, so he's probably one
fifty to one sixty the Blackhawk on training missions doing
about one hundred and ten knots or ten milel that
or whatever. So I think I think the air the
airliner was off to the right and he may have

(06:11):
been behind him, so he wouldn't have seen the main
landing light, which is obviously significant.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Here's the other problem.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
When you're out flying on a nice evening, we call
it severe clear there's a lot of ground lights that
can be confused with other lights. In fact, when we
did our night annual check rise, we have to memorize
and recite thirteen different nighttime illusions, so it's it's kind

(06:43):
of weird. And then you put the night vision goggles on,
and if it's a really good illumination night with moon,
the visibility is fantastic. I mean, we all seen in
the movies the green hue of the night vision goggles.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, so I think and all crews have a briefing
before they leave. You know, what are you going to do?
What am I going to do? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
If they both duck their head of the cockpit, one
was doing switch ology, one would be flying. Maybe the
crew chief was on the wrong side of the back
of the aircraft in the cargo area, so maybe one
of them had a heart attack.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
I mean, we we just don't know. It's one of
those doug On life mysteries.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Don If you're using you know, just generically the speed
you're talking about one on approach one ten at the
cruise you've got a proximity alarm. I'm assuming that the
jet would have one as well. How much distance equaling
how much time are you going to have when you
start getting buzz buzz beep in your headphones telling you
something's incoming.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Well, they're flown an airliner. I mean, tea casts will
definitely give a warning. But maybe it was uh maybe broken,
or they just saw it at a last second. Maybe
the black Hawk was ascending into the bottom of it
and so they had a bad visibility.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
I mean, somebody obviously catastrophically missed something.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
I mean, it was great, great weather.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Again, I was thinking, you know that they saw the
one airplane, but maybe he thought, well there, you know,
most approaches are runway one, which is straight up the river,
but he switched to runway three to three, which means
an airplane had to move further to the east to
line up to land at three three heading, which is
a kind of a northwestern heading. If you look at

(08:42):
a compass, there's three hundred and sixty degrees in a compass,
and that's what you see when you get on a
runway and you see those big numbers.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
Those are those are asthmus headings.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
And then and then of course, situational awareness, which is
what we're talking about, is extremely important.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
You know, the old on a swivel.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
And so it it.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Just can't even.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I'm having hard words here because so many things are
done in a very systematic way in army aviation. It's
extremely safe, but let's preface that, you know, these are
war birds and it's dangerous business. Uh, and mistakes happen,
and it's just very very sad.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Don Ross. Don Ross is joining us, of course, and
you hear him on the air with us all the time.
Ross weld advisors. But Don is a retired Army chopper
pilot flew the eighth u H sixty, the Blackhawk that
was involved in this this horrific crash that happened last
night just before nine pm. I'm don I'm going to
ask that just very basic what should be kind of

(09:51):
a question that I haven't really heard anybody say yet,
But but why are they why are they practicing near
where approach is? I don't understand that right there. I mean,
I the best of the best, and certainly this is
something that probably has been going on for years and
years and years, But why would you be anywhere near approach?
I don't care if you go, well, we've we're double

(10:12):
and triple checking, making sure everyone's communicating and so on.
This is a shining example of why any kind of
practice at all practice and that's what this has been deemed.
Why would it be neat near anywhere approach for Reagan
International Airport. I do not understand that.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Well, I can't answer that, but they probably fly this
route all the time over the river. They know where
wires are, you know, obstructions to flight, things like that.
And you know, I for people listening, I flew for
many years out of Rickenbacker and African Airport up north.
A lot of the flight training we do for an

(10:53):
angel check rise, night flight instrument training, so on and
so forth, you.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Kind of do the same route. So this this instructor pilot. Again,
these are assumptions.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
So anybody listening these are I have no idea, no
classified Yes, this is just what I'm thinking is, Hey,
we got a check ry, we're doing your night check ride.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Uh, scheduled me a flight doing here.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
We're gonna do a holding pattern here, we're gonna we're
gonna fly unaided, meaning take the goggles off, we're gonna
go up here, we're gonna go down the river and
back into for belmoar. Uh, you know, get everything ready
and then we'll have table talk and then we'll go
on fly. That's kind of what was happening on the
army side makes sense. So so I don't know what

(11:42):
altitude they're at. It's some people tell me they're at
four hundred and two hundred. Maybe the guy said hey,
let's go down closer to the river and broke the
profile of the mission.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'll be honest. You just said makes sense, and I'm
shaking my head.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I mean, what you said makes sense. But for you
to do anything as far as practice near any kind
of a commercial airport and you're near any kind of
flight paths for any incoming or out out inbound outbound,
it doesn't make announce of sense to me. And look,
I maybe I'm asking too obvious of a question, or
maybe they maybe they really don't practice in that, and

(12:18):
like you said, somebody broke protocol or whatever. Again, we're
spitballing here and you don't know for sure, and certainly
you're not taking chop shots at anybody. But it's you know,
it's everybody's going to be doing this trying to figure
it out, including until they get the black box and
maybe they recover any kind of communication, you know, or
anything like that. But it seemed to the thing that

(12:41):
they were showing. Any of the video that you watch,
and it's from you know, really far off, and anything
that you see closer up is something that they've done
to kind of manipulate that video. But when you watch
it from far off, it is they say the you know,
both both the airline and the helo like tangled up
when they dropped into Potomac and there was three sections

(13:04):
of the airline from what I understand, and clearly no survivors.
I mean, this is incredibly I feel like, you know,
and everybody's kind of saying the same thing, Well, this
could have been avoidable, could have been avoidable, And you know,
here's the thing. I don't know that we'll ever know.
And if there's anybody involved that was on the ground
that would know, would they really come forward, and you know,

(13:27):
especially if they're involved in this screw up. I mean,
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I will say that when we get near an airport,
so like we we leave Rickenbacker on a mission when
I was flying, I haven't flown since so six by
the way, So if we're going to go a little
bit east, we're going to reach out and talk to
Columbus approach.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
So you know we're out there.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
They're going to give us some frequency for our transponder,
and they'll do what's called flight following, which is really good.
It's like they're holding your hand and they'll give you
directions like hey, remain clear of the airspace or what
if you fly you know, a certain heading and altitude
until you leave that airspace. So they're definitely talking to
either whatever approach body that is, or they're.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Talking to Reagan Tower.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
And they probably do it hundreds of times. So here
comes that Blackhawk on a night for any that's that's
the best.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Kind of.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Background I can get for you on how and why.
So that's why they were there and and it's it's
it's good use of that airspace and they can handle
that kind of traffic, right.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Don Ross, thank you for joining us, giving us some
perspective on this as somebody who's flown U hours and
hours and hours in the black Hawk and uh retired
Army chopper pilot. I appreciate you taking a couple of
minutes and joining us today. And uh, unfortunately such a
sad situation and circumstances, but thank you for joining us.
I appreciate you, man.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yeah, I hope I was hopeful.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, absolutely, thank you.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
This is tough. I mean, you don't want to you
don't want to cast dispersions on the abilities of anybody.
You don't want to start getting the conspiracies, but you
want answers. I mean, this is like one of the
This is one of those things where your breath just stops.
It's kind of like September eleventh, where you just go,
you know, wow, I can't believe I just saw that. Yeah,
and I'm trying not to flail too much, but.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
My mind so immediately I go to there are so
many senators, congress people that that's their flight in it
out exactly what I in and out, in and out,
in and out constantly at Reagan. Yeah, I just flew
That's where I went for the election certification, literally right
there and going over the Potomac. I can't help but
go back to the one horrible tragedy that happened there

(15:46):
where just about everybody, but if just a few souls
survived the crash in the icy waters. There several obviously
in the eighties that is, or was that the seventies,
but it immediately my mind went to that one. I
hear Potomac. I'm like, oh no, oh no, but you're right.
Your breath does stop. It's just like, oh no, you can't.
You just can't fathom that something in this day and age,

(16:08):
as all the technology happened.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
Like that Traffic, Weather, Sports and the Mark Blazer Show
on six ' ten WTVN.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sorry, yeah, I was. I know, I get in trouble
because I'll do that. I come on and it's something
we were just talking about, and if I try to
get into it it's a whole thing, then I have to,
you know, reset the whole thing and start telling them.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And it just turns into you'll never get in trouble.
As long as I'm in the room, I will not
speak of it publicly. If that's what you want to
wear under your pants, go for it.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Good lord. Chief Meteorologist Marshall McPeak is going, yeah, yeah,
have you ever seen on social media? And they're very
prevalent now, especially in the winter, Marshal, And it's they
open the door, the dog goes up to the door
and turns around and immediately heads right back in. He

(17:13):
doesn't even get outside. That's what Marshall's probably doing right now.
He hears us and He's like, yeah, no, goodbye after
that comment from Chuck, So thank you, Chuck, I appreciate it. Siyah.
There he goes, and there goes Marsh.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Nothing to do with weather, but the newsroom right now
is going to make Peaks see a shadow. When he
put on the headphones, he ran back out of here real.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Quick, head into Gobbler's knob.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I know what a name, so is that?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So what it is is if he doesn't see a shadow,
that means it's cloudy, correct and correct.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
So the the groundhog is quite literally afraid of his shadow.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh okay, So if.

Speaker 9 (17:50):
He sees his shadow, he's terrified and dives back into
the borough and we get six more weeks in winter.
If it's a cloudy day, there's no sun and no shadow.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
And he's like sweet early spring. So it's exactly the
opposite of what you would think it would be.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
That's a setup, though, isn't it. Because all the media
is there with all those lights on the whole waiting
for the po to come out, So of course there's
going to be a shadow.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
So the last the last time that that punks Atani
Phil didn't see a shadow was like pre TV.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
So yeah, I mean when there was no lighting. In
other words, yeah, it's because we didn't put good point.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
We you know, buck Eye Chuck has his forecast, and
then punks atani Phil has a forecast, and then you
go out and you look at the satellite and radar pictures.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
So you look at the satellite images and you're.

Speaker 9 (18:33):
Like, you know what, Western Pennsylvania was nothing but cloud cover?

Speaker 8 (18:37):
Tell me how that thing saw its shadow.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Buckeye Chuck will give you whatever forecast you want for
a couple of beers.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Seriously, you know, Buckeye Chuck is the guy you want
to have beers with.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
I mean, Buck Eye Chuck.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You don't bring him out, you climb down in the
hole with him. Back a Chuck, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And you know what isn't Cam usually out there?

Speaker 10 (18:56):
A GDC that's usual usually I'm not sure what we're
this year because it's on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I mean that doesn't really you
got to have a whole production for that, right, I
mean that takes yeah, extra whatever, and then you you
have you know, you have a different team that's on
on the weekend. So and I don't I don't see
everybody going yeah Kurt and everybody going yeah, well, yeah,
that's good. We'll do that on Sunday.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
Sunday I went, I went to Punk Satani once.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
How was that?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
That was enough?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Oh? That was enough. I think that would be fun,
you know, you know, provided there's pay and everything involved.
But I'm just saying, I feel like that whole thing
is it's a big it's a spectacle, isn't it. I
mean it's a big hold it.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
Is, And there are people everywhere, and it's just like
this complete mob all all around. You know, there's it's
it's almost out in the forest, and there's this tree,
the tree. Hang on a second, Hey, Ella, can you
help me out? I'm getting mixed minus on my end.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So that would be we try it again now, Marshall.

Speaker 9 (19:59):
There we go, Okay, much better, Thank you, thank you,
because Ella Rocks.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Gets because she also plays video games during the show.

Speaker 9 (20:07):
But out there, out there to the gobblers Knob, it's
almost out in the middle of the forest, and so
there are trees everywhere and a couple of like side
roads and their satellite trucks parked everywhere, and so then
you wander in and there are thousands of people standing
around and they wait for What are the guys what
is the name of the group that does that? The
guys in the in the top hats.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
And the.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
God I don't remember. The penguins, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
Yeah they are they are the handlers. The handlers, well,
but they have a special name. I forget. Chuck it
on that keyboard of yours and see what see what
if you can? Yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
These use your work account and type in Gobbler's noob.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
My heart relates.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Exactly. Watch what you're googling in this building.

Speaker 8 (21:05):
Its awny.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
So we have rain on the way that is going
to get into Cincinnati and Dayton first.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Then it's headed hour way.

Speaker 9 (21:11):
There's just a few sprinkles down seventy one into parts
of the Cincinnati metro area, a little of that almost
getting into Hillsborough. Now it's going to be a few
hours before it makes it up here into Columbus. But
plan on rain for tonight, forty degrees for the overnight
low fifty seven tomorrow, so in my head that's almost sixty. Yes,
we'll have a windy day with wind gusts of thirty

(21:33):
miles an hour or more, and then on Saturday just
partly cloudy behind here forty for the rodent on Sunday
fifty five and clouds the rodent.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
I can only find them identified as the groundholed club handlers.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Okay, that's good, awesome, all right, Marshall, thank you very much.
It is forty six right now. You told me that
you watched Tulsea Gabbard earlier.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I just I was watching the you know, the outtakes
from the testimonies today as they are going through their poo,
and I've I've had my doubts about Tolsy Gammer because
I just flip flopper. You know, she's one side of
the fence. She's another side of the fence. And and
I feel like, to an extent, she uses her very
wonderful appearance in her favor more than I might like

(22:19):
her to. But today she sat down and you didn't
care what she looked like or anything else. She got
in front of that microphone. She brought up every foul,
nasty thing that happened during the Biden administration, from the
lying on FISA Warrens to the made up this and
these people never paid a price. And this guy came
in into disk and you told us. There was and

(22:40):
nobody ever paid a price, nobody was ever held accountable.
That was the Biden administration. That's why we need to
change things. I was like, you go, go, she's that.
She's the strongest. That's the strongest person that I've seen
so far. They've all spoken pretty well, but she just
she came out with both fists. I was just really
impressed by her. She's focused, no question about that.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
And that's why the Democrats are shaking in their boots
as well as with cash Pattel I think as well,
because they are so focused, they have so many different
things that they want addressed as soon as they get
confirmed that they're stalling. The Dems are stalling as long
as they can because they know there's too many bodies
buried all over the place.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, and they're about to be man.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I feel like we're just beginning to skim the surface
of what even we reported on for four years during
that administration and what we've watched take place in how
the American people. It's it's it's amazing to me and
God bless God blessed the way that America had discovered this.
And there's all different types of consumption as far as

(23:46):
that information out there, and and it it came to
fruition on November fifth, man, And that's the thing that
got for me that I went, Okay, here we go.
I'm I'm aside myself that because I'll be honest, I
have my doubts. I'm like, man, they got them snowed,
they have them snowed. Hell no, they didn't have them snowed.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
If these people truly go after things like pitt bulls
after pork chops, there there's so much, not just with Biden,
but I have a feeling there are things they're going
to go back to the Obama administration and pull things.
They're going to find some interference or let's say, over
cooperation between the former president Obama and the last president Biden.
They're going to find all sorts of things within the administration,

(24:31):
not just within within the departments. They don't want these
people confirmed any sooner than necessary, because you know what,
they're sweeping stuff under rugs right now and battening down
hatches and you know, taking the diddy route, man, just
getting the out of down and trying not to be
seen anymore.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Then it's game on at that point, game on.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
The Mark Pleazer Show.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, you know, in light of what happened just before
nine o'clock last night, Chuck and I are talking here
during the break, and I you know, I'm getting I'm
getting messages from people based on what I was saying
and earlier, which is why why do why do those
black Look. I'm not saying one hundred percent it was

(25:21):
their fault or the airliner's fault, the jet that flew
in the American Airlines jet flight five three four two.
What I'm saying is, as far as practice goes, they
can practice anywhere. The flights that are coming into Reagan
cannot just land anywhere. They have to land where those
landing areas are on the runways there. And again I'm

(25:44):
not pointing, but what I'm saying is I don't care
if it's a well they need to do that. What
we just witnessed is if it was avoidable, I don't
care what you have to do. The training needs to
happen somewhere else. That's it. And if you're going, well,
you just don't under well. I'll tell you. What I
do understand is what I witnessed last night, and also
what I understand are the sixty four souls, including the

(26:07):
the the flight crew on board of that airline, and
then the three service members. I think if they were
here today, they would differ with you. They would differ
with your opinion with regard to well they need to
train in that You gotta you should not be training
anywhere near something like this where it could happen. Sorry,

(26:28):
I'll never say well it's worth it is not worth
the risk.

Speaker 11 (26:33):
It's just not.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
And again, if it's something other than what I understand
right now, then that's what it is. Okay, it's different
than that, all right, if it is. But I'm just saying,
based on what I'm seeing and hearing, as far as
the training goes, it shouldn't be anywhere near the paths
of all of those airlines coming in, all the aircraft
flying in there.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
And that's not just our transportation secretary that needs to
be involved in this. This is one of the things
Haig Seth is going to have to answer to. You know,
why is our military training at this time in this place?
People are gonna want answers. Maybe we won't like the answer,
but that's a legitimate question. Of all the possible places

(27:15):
to train, why then and there it just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, stay away from that area, Just stay away. You
shouldn't be anywhere near the flight path, as as those
aircraft should not be anywhere near training exercises. You know,
you don't want to have to depend on somebody else
getting it right one hundred percent of the time because
there's a human element involved. And I'm not sitting here

(27:39):
on a high horse going I got all the answers
and doing the armchair quarterback. I promise you I'm not.
It's just based on the information that's coming out now.
That's why I that's why I'm I'm I'm having trouble
digesting this hearing that it was a training exercise. It's
different if they've got to come over there because there
was some sort of a threat or something like that,

(27:59):
you know, then so be it. But gosh, think about this.
You said Nancy Carrigan did a tribute because we had
a lot of figure skating people that were on board.
It was coming from wichital kandas to Washington, d C.
And it's, man, I don't care how you stacked. This
is incredibly sad, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
And it's you know, I felt bad going. Wow, she
looks good amidst all this tragedy. I looked at Nancy
Carrigan and what's it been forty years? Thirty five years
or so? Since she wasn't been that long. Yeah, it's
been a long long time ago. Wow, And she Nancy Carrigan.
She looks great, she looks healthy, she looks like she
did well. She's you know, a little heftier now, but

(28:41):
her face still looks just like I remember Nancy Carrigan looking.
So I felt bad noticing that amidst all this tragedy.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I'm sitting here. I don't even know what kind of
emotion to have. Yeah, man, have you heard of let's
start with it. Have you heard of Gallantine's Day?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I have not until I came in to day and
saw you and I'm like, what is Gallon?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Now?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
We'll talk about it later.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Okay, have you heard of Gallentide's Day? Ella Zach is
off today?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I have?

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (29:10):
It's February thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, it's the day before. So I mean, how do
you feel about like when you saw that? And that's
been what the last five years? Am I off on that?

Speaker 11 (29:22):
At least ten?

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
At least ten?

Speaker 11 (29:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
So what is it? The day that women like are
supposed to do something to prime the will for what
guys are supposed to do for them the next day.
Is that kind of it?

Speaker 12 (29:32):
No, it's just girls getting together with their girlfriends, like
a women's let's go out and celebrate. Well, I would
say most often celebrated by single women getting together with
their single friends and just you know, friendly love.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Okay, so it's once again in holiday where the guys
take it up the nose.

Speaker 12 (29:49):
No, the guys get to hang out at they get
the house of themselves while their girls are out with
their friends.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, but you just said single, so there aren't even
guys in that.

Speaker 11 (29:56):
That's true. That's true, and when you're always single.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
But well, so when you say single, you're you really
mean like just unmarried or write.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
I mean, I feel like.

Speaker 12 (30:04):
It can be for everyone. But I think that it
started with if you're not partnered up, if you're totally single,
get together with your friends and celebrate that. Since you
don't have a partner to celebrate with.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So if you have a boyfriend, then it Gallentine's Day
is off. You can't really.

Speaker 11 (30:21):
Technically you still can't. The rules are very lax.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
And it's funny you use the word rules, and it's
just like, well, the only rule as far as I'm seeing,
is like, it's the day before Valentine's Day, it's February thirteenth.

Speaker 12 (30:35):
Correct, it's an excuse to get together and drink some wine.
Who cares about anything else?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh so it's tuesdays.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Wait, it's only once a week at your house?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Geez?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, because I I had it all wrong. Yeah, and okay,
so I just so I struggle with I'm like, hey,
hold on a minute, you're kind of robbing the Valentine's
Day thing. Call it gallantine? But if it makes is
it something you've done like I, because I don't know.

Speaker 11 (31:06):
No, I don't think that I ever. You've never celebrated Valentines.

Speaker 12 (31:11):
But I have sent out Valentines to friends, male and female.
I don't limit it to females, but you know men
as well. I've sent out little little packages and Valentines
in the mail, just to Brightener Day.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Oh yeah, I don't think I ever got one. You were
You weren't on the list.

Speaker 11 (31:29):
It was a while ago. I didn't know you guys.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
In fourth grade, I got one, just one, Wilma Flintstone.
It was a Wilma Flintstone, Valentine.

Speaker 11 (31:37):
You only got one in your little fourth grade.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Box, yeah, said be my Valentine's for this guy named Scott.
I just threw it away.

Speaker 12 (31:43):
Oh that was before the days when they make you
give them to everyone. Now it's you know, you have
to bring one for everyone in the class.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, because you were saying your son is he's so
he must be getting ready to drive.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
I didn't hear his age, but he's sixteen. I don't
know if he's getting ready. Uh oh, you legally could
get ready.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
But yeah, because Stone and I remember this with Josephine.
She's nineteen now, so she's going to su and the
log that ship sail a long time ago, as far
as Valentine's and all that stuff at cool. But Stone
is you know, you just turned eleven. He's in fifth grade.
And this is the thing where it's a whole thing.
They have to take the boxing and yes, like you said,
h La, you have to. You gotta, you know, write

(32:24):
them out. And your grandsons are probably in the middle
of all this too. Yeah, they have to take them
for everybody.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
And yeah, they're a little open about their feelings when
it comes to stuff. Like that who my grandson.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
And they hate it.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
They have to take them for everybody, and they'll tell
you straight up, but I don't like them. They don't
mince any words. Really yeah, I don't talk to them.
We don't play together a recess. Why should I give
them a valentine? They they'll tell me straight out.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, they do that to not end up with someone
like you. Who got one? And it was Wilma Flint
It was.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
It wasn't even a very good one because it didn't
have a lot of color to the red hair, kind
of a faded red Wilma.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
Now was it the Now?

Speaker 12 (33:07):
It always hurt my little kid heart when the person
you had a crush on in school, you'd get.

Speaker 11 (33:12):
The valentine from them, and it would be the one that.

Speaker 12 (33:14):
Says like you're a great friend.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
H yeah, I'm in the friend zone.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And then you get the little candies, the hearts with
all the cute little sayings on them and so forth.
I got a question, if you really care about somebody,
why the hell is that not like on a Snickers bar?
Can we put I Love you or be Mine on
a Snicker's.

Speaker 11 (33:32):
Heart shaped Reesey cups?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Now?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So what the sayings on there would be. Yeah, I
don't want the little sweet tart things. Give me something
with some substance. If I'm gonna go, let me go happy.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Have you seen the adult ones like where they say
all kinds of nasty stuff on them? No, those little
the little sweet have you seen those?

Speaker 12 (33:50):
Oh whatever, please give me a brit the modern ones
that are like text me, But I haven't seen thirty ones.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
There's next commercial on the air. It's Placer here for
your local dirty bookstore where I'm getting my candies this
holiday season.

Speaker 12 (34:05):
Okay, I'm gonna say this delicately. I have seen the
chocolates that you can mold.

Speaker 11 (34:11):
Oh body fallic not phallic around the corner from that.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh okay, yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
People are so wrong. All right, I don't belong here.
I'm going to church.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Like one one says, like you wearing drawls, you know.

Speaker 12 (34:25):
Like.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
The Sanford and Sun Valentine's collection, A big dummy you
wearing drove?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah? Your she shed or mine? I don't know, Like
there's all kinds of those. Some of them get I
can't even say even close to probably ninety eight percent
of them wouldn't even make it on the air. But
I've seen some of those where I'm dying lavit and
those those will all hit the memes and all that
here sooner rather than later with that. But yeah, there's

(34:56):
a they talk about proposing to all of that on
Valentine's Day. Man, you're falling into an enormously huge group
of people who do that on Valentine's Day. I gotta
be honest, I never even entertained that when I was
going to get married. I never thought, you know what
I should do that, you know, because immediately I go,

(35:17):
there's nothing special, But everybody does that.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
There's something about giving a holiday when you If you
give her the ring on a holiday and then the
marriage doesn't happen, you you can't get the ring back
because you gave it as a gift as opposed to
basically seriously, if you're giving it to her as a gift,
as opposed to basically it's a contract. I'm giving you
this ring in exchange for you saying yes, And but

(35:41):
if you give it to her a holiday, you can't
take it back because it's a gift.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I got to ask dan Ella, if you if you
heard the guy that gave you a ring that thought
process would you be going, hey, hang on a second.
Probably not supposed to be entertaining that thought, especially at
the very beginning, like this.

Speaker 11 (35:57):
Yeah, we should get Chuck's lady on the line for
that question.

Speaker 12 (36:00):
I get on the line to keep the ring anyway,
regardless of when I got it. If we're not getting married,
if we break up, I don't want that.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
If you got got a car payment pass due when
you got two carrots.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Jewelry, you're taking that facebooks for it?

Speaker 11 (36:16):
No, no, no, if he's selling jewelry, is not you.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Had some Yeah, if you had some crazy ten thousand
dollars ring. Let's say you're dating some dude who's you know,
crazy rich never happened to me. I can't relate. Well,
I mean you never say never as they but I mean,
this guy gives you and then he turns into the
dog of dogs. I mean you're like, oh my god,
I can't believe he did this, or he was doing

(36:39):
this behind my back, and then uh, he's like can
I get the ring back? You're like, hell no, you
can't have the ring back, or you just don't even
answer him. Then he's selling I get I don't know.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
I'd probably just give it back because I don't. I
don't care, I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Then you buy a car with it and the plates
say his ring, yes on, that'd.

Speaker 11 (36:57):
Be the greatest ever. Now you're giving the ideas. You
got to get a rich guy to propose first.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I would do that if I were a woman in
that position and he turned out to be a dirt ball.
But you know, yeah, I absolutely would see and you.

Speaker 11 (37:09):
Got you well, you chuck. I don't know about you, Mark.
You chuck dog on women all the time.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I do not dog.

Speaker 12 (37:17):
You're the one woman I'm saying I would give it back,
and you're the gold digger here.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I'm not a gold digger. If the if the guy
does not deserve my loyalty or appreciation, he wouldn't get
it from me.

Speaker 11 (37:29):
I think, well, he's already lost you, he's already lost me.
That's the biggest loss.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
What's the ring that's backing up women? That's not that's
not talking bad about.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
So here's another angle too. I think this is goofy.
I don't know who would do that. I guess I
do know friends that might entertain something like this. But
how would you feel, Ella, if you know this thing
happened that Red Robin is putting out there so proposing
on not just Valentine's Day, but a Red Robin onion

(37:58):
ring as the diamond. This is a real thing, I
promise you that's the ring. Yeah, Like, first of all,
rhet Robin's onion rings are all world, There's no question
about that. I Mean these things they come in a stack,
you can get them on and they're like they're around
this like steel thing that they bring out and set
on your table. We've had these, but they're what they're
doing is there and this is just a ploy. Let's

(38:19):
be honest. But if you had a guide do this
to you and try to would you be like, hey man,
really that's what you're looking at or do you think
like it just depends on the relationship. If we're goofy
and we're doing and then there was a real and
involved post this, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
Look, I've been on the shelf so long I'd have
a hard time complaining about anyone any kind of promise
at any time. So he's like, I'd probably take it.
Plus I am a little egy, so I'd probably enjoy
it and have fun with it, but I'm far be
it from me to complain about any kind of proposal.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Oh, let's go on. If we're near a bathtub with
a ring and he proposes, I am good with that.
I'm cool with it. No, this is a real thing.
They're inviting couples to get engaged with one of their
onion rings and it has to happen on February fourteenth,
which is a Friday week from tomorrow or two weeks
from tomorrow at a red Robin location. Has to be
done with the onion ring, and then they're gonna select

(39:13):
a lucky winner to get a ten thousand dollars gift
card to a jewelry store. So it's it's a promotion.
So the guy could go, I was just doing this
because I thought it was really cool and we have
a chance. And as long as they had a real
one after.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
That, I think you.

Speaker 12 (39:27):
But yeah, if you follow it up with the real
one that I can then sell for the car whatever,
sure with.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
The plates and say his ring on.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, I've never heard a woman say I've been on
the shelf for so long that just you just did. Wow.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
Time Blazer Show podcasts on six ' ten WTV Dot com.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, Pizza Hut is bringing back the heart shape pizza
for Valentine's Day February eleventh through the twenty seventh. You
can get the heart shat pizza and yeah, let's uh
bring in Chief Mediorologist Marshall McPeek.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
And uh, I don't know artichoke hearts on it.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, I guess you could do the double heart.

Speaker 9 (40:11):
Then you can put the castle doing the Valentine's Day
thing this year.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I haven't seen that. I have not seen that they
usually do it, are they? They usually do a big
deal with it. Yeah, yeah, I know that was I
remember like way back in the day, that was a
thing with a former place used to work, and I
think they did that, but I I I we kinda
kind of talked a little bit about that. I think earlier,

(40:40):
maybe a couple of weeks ago, Chuck and I I
brought something up about that because I remember that distinct.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
They well, they had a package like a love package
or something they were giving away, which had like a
dozen burgers and multiple things. We were trying to figure
out how that equated with the Valentine's Day, that one
on one love thing that they used to do.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 9 (40:59):
And I'm thinking pizza is fine in the moment, but
it's later you're like happy Valentine's.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah, if Pizza Hut is doing a heartshak Valentine's pizza,
I think it should have extra onions because seriously, you
if if you love each other, that that an extra Yeah.

Speaker 10 (41:15):
Proof, absolute proof. Yeah, the pizzar like sauce on that way.
Oh yeah, why not. They'll be available to order through
the online system. And again, uh they're eleven ninety nine.
But you know what, think about it, You're kind of
getting robbed. You're not getting a full like pizza when
it's shaped like a heart. But I guess nothing says

(41:37):
I love you like a heart shaped pizza. That's you know,
with onions.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Who needs roses? Just get a pan.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think roses are mandatory for Valentine's though. It's it's
a thing with me.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
You know you all right over there? Sorry I was
rens it out my mouth.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You kind of worried me there. I've never seen you
just slide across the room on your chair that fast.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I just I did the I thought of the chovies.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I was like, with wheels, that would have been worse.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, yeah, we tried that on the air, Marshall, and
with pineapple, and that was my well, who was was
that my hair brained idea? I don't know. Well, it's
a Joe Rogan thing. He did it on the bed.
I was like, hey, let's try it. And we did it.
And Chuck's first comment was like, taste like cat food

(42:32):
or something like that. Maybe Zach said that.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't know, but my taste, Budge Dad, it was gross.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
But people are like, you haven't heard the right one.
I like that beg to differ. I don't know that
there is a right one when we're talking about amovies anyway.
So yeah, we're uh, we're gonna be. It's gonna people
are gonna go it's spring tomorrow, right, Marshall.

Speaker 9 (42:53):
So we were talking about it in the afternoon editorial meeting, like,
you know what, just go to campus and I promise
you on Friday, even though it's raining and windy, there
will be kids in shorts and flip flops because Mom's
not there to tell them to put a coat on.
It's just it's gonna be that way. It's gonna be
like spring. The temperatures are going to climb tomorrow to
near sixty degrees.

Speaker 8 (43:13):
It's going to be a windy.

Speaker 9 (43:14):
Afternoon rain on and off throughout the day, and then
in the forties on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
So here's the interesting thing.

Speaker 9 (43:22):
Our low tonight is forty, our high on Saturday is forty.
So this is kind of how this roller coaster is
working for us. We're actually seeing the same highs and
lows then in different parts of this forecast.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
Fifty five for Groundhog Day on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
All right, marshall, thank you very much. It is forty
six right now. Also a standby because the search and
recovery operation is proving to be very, very extremely challenging,
if you will. So we're gonna have Don Mahollick, who's
going to be joining us if you remember, excuse me.

(44:01):
He's an ABC News Law enforcement contributor, retired Senior Secret
Service agent, and he's also he's a US Coast Guard
Reserve veteran. He was assigned as the operations watch officer
for a major port in the Pacific Strike Team, as
the intelligence officer for a major narcotics operation as well,

(44:22):
and he also qualified as boat crew, pollution response and
maritime law enforcement officer man if that is not.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Qualification resume right there.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It really is. So Yeah, anyway, he's going to be
joining us momentarily, as you can imagine. He's he's booking
today to speak to different stations around the country and
to pull the curtain back a little bit. But as
a result with it being live radio, we have him
booked here and he should be joining. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I don't want to put the poop poo on you
if he can't make it. If he doesn't, you can't
be upset about that, because you know, this guy's probably
going one station the next, all over this country and
maybe internationally doing this, and there's only so much time
in a day, so hopefully he'll be with us. But
I won't be upset. I just I was reading more
of this. You know this, this phrase always bugs me.

(45:13):
Has gone from a rescue to a recovery mission. I
always hate to see that. I don't it just you know,
we give up. What if?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Man?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
What if?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's not saying they can't find somebody alive?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I know, but they just hate seeing it.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
There's common sense involved here that area.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Unfortunately, the entire night darkness had to go by, and
certainly there are It's not like, oh well, we don't
have the ability to shine light. I got it. But
you know, when daylight hits us this morning, I'm sure
on the Potomac that they start realizing, Yeah, and they're
finding you know, they're finding there's souls if you man.

(45:58):
I even hate saying they're finding bodies. They're finding these people.
You know, they begin finding them when when it becomes daylight.
And so that's the thing that you're right. It is
sad when when you hear it's went from a search
to well recovery operation. Don ma Hallake ABC News law

(46:18):
enforcement contributor, retired senior Secret Service agent, is joining us
now and Don, welcome again to the Mark Blazer Show.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
Sir, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Mark, Yes, sir, So yeah, we were just kind of
chuck and I were just talking on the air and saying, yeah,
it's a it's a damn shame when it goes from
you know, search to search and recovery operation. And you
know the fact that it happened just before nine o'clock
last night. Clearly you had darkness and yeah there's search,
there's lights and so on, but that makes it extra challenging.

(46:47):
A it's night and then B I think the water
temperature I read was like thirty six or thirty five
degrees too.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
Yeah, listen, anytime you have an incident that occurs over
the water and that debriefield is in the water, you're
racing against tide, depth of water, water temperature, and of
course the shifting debris field which we're playing against. All
the first responders in this situation. And if once you
get on seen, your first go to is to try

(47:16):
to save lives, and because of the water temperature how
cold it was, you only have about a fifteen to
thirty minute survivability at best. So in the air Florida
crash back in the eighties by the fourteenth Street Bridge,
the only people that were covered out of that crash
that survived were people that were on top of conscious
and on top of the water. That the first responder

(47:38):
is the US park Police helicopter was able to swoop
in and pick up and get them out of the
water pretty quickly. Once that clock ticks past that, you
move into recovery mode, which for the first responders on scene,
the Coastguard, police and fire and military assets that are
on seeing it, it's real. It's a real kick because
you go they're intending to save lives. When you walk

(48:00):
away not able to do that, it really impacts you.
And it's really a mental shift in your head from
what you went there intending to do, so now what
you have to do.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, unfortunately don in this situation. And I don't know
if you were one of those people that you know,
excuse me watching this last night. We were watching it
real time, my family and I and then my mind
goes back to, you know, in nineteen eighty two, I was,
you know, much younger and so but I can't help

(48:31):
but think when I saw this last night, you know,
you see the Potomac, you see Reagan. It's like, oh no,
you just you know, go back to that horrific footage
that is out there, and clearly the lion's share of
the things I learned about that particular crash with the
with the seventy eight people and so on, all of
that has been you know post that. I didn't watch

(48:52):
that as it unfolded. But your mind has to go
right back to that which you obviously kind of referenced here.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
So yeah, well, you know, d C is one of
the most congested air traffic places in the country. The
a lot of commercial activity, especially where DCA is, where
Reagan is military activity, and you know, law enforcement activity
as well as other government entities that are flying aircraft, helicopters, planes,
all in that same vicinity. So it's pretty tightly controlled

(49:20):
by the FAA. Where you can go, where you can go,
and that kind of thing. The Army unit involved in
its twelfth Aviation Group those that's the military unit that
on September eleventh, two thousand and one, evacuated the government
leadership out of d C. So they are a very
highly skilled, highly trained group within the US military pilots

(49:42):
are some of the best. So to see this the
video this incident occur in the way it occurs really
was shocking to watch it because it's one of these
incidents that probably in the aftermath we're going to find
out shouldn't have happened. But clearly it looks like the
human error. We just have to find out what that

(50:03):
human error was that closes catastrophe.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, it adds extra question mark, so question especially the
way that you just laid out how talented and how
skilled they are and the other thing too. And I'll
cut you loose after this done. But you know we
were you know as soon as we go on the
air I just ask a question. I'm like, has anybody
because I haven't seen anybody really say it, but I'm like,
why is there any you know, why are they training

(50:26):
anywhere near the flight paths of Reagan or It makes
no sense to me that because of the risk that
is involved, And I feel like, you got to you
gotta figure out that's got I don't care how skilled
you are, how trained you are. Clearly we've seen what
just happened, and clearly it hasn't happened before, not even
I don't know if there's been close you know, close
calls or what have you. But it feels like they

(50:48):
should be training completely in a different area. Because I said,
people coming into Reagan, the flight's coming in, they can't
go anywhere else. That's where they have to land. Why
would there be any training near that area? Makes no
sense to me.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Yeah, that's that's a that's an intuitive response. But the
reality is all of these especially the military and the
law enforces units, they have to train in that airspace.
For instance, HMX, the marine unit that flies the President around,
those pilots have to train them around d C because
they have to be able to get into the White House,

(51:22):
which is a very narrow corridor, and get out of
the White House and fly around DC. This Army unit
is in the same boat. They have to train and
know their area. That's part of the training is learning
where you're flying. Just for the Coast Guard to be
learning the waterways, it's learning the airspace, learning where to go,
being getting used to the communications. So you know, they

(51:44):
have to do the train The question is what was
the deficiency here that caused something that should have been
a quote unquote a routine training flight to become this catastrophe.
And I think I think that's the that's the question
everybody wants to answer.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, we'll be watching that in the days to come
to see. You know, what kind of answers they do
come with that, you know. Don the Hawk, ABC News
Law enforcement contributor retired senior Secret Service agent. Don thanks
for joining us today. Appreciate you, brother.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Thanks Mark, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You got it. We'll see you