July 16, 2020 • 53 mins
Davis Mattek is joined by Ricky Sanders, as the guys recap their Scott Fish Bowl Draft, pick by pick. Davis and Ricky explain their strategy for the draft and what picks they were thrilled about, what picks they regret, and what happened during the draft that caused them to tilt!
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daily road to Hour Here on sports gride TV. I
am Davis Mannick, joined today by Ricky Sanders. We are
continuing our examination of the scott Fish Bowl. Now Ricky
and I have both finalized our drafts. I would assume
a vast amount of the drafts are done, though not
all of them. Some some drafts in the scott Fish
Bowl because it is a slow draft. You know, there
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are guys who milk that eight hour clock for every
second that it's worth. So some drafts are still going on.
But Ricky, we are are mostly finalized with our drafts.
And before we get into a a pick by pick analysis,
just you know, how do you how do you feel
about your team? Do you feel like you you came
away with what you wanted? Did you have a plan,
were you able to stick to it? How did it go?
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So my plan was always draft the best available, but
my team did not end up looking anything like what
I thought it was going to look. I had the
one oh six and I wasn't sure who was going
to fall there, but I thought I likely had a
chance at like Lamar Jackson as the QB two, So
I was kind of banking on that, and that did
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not come to fruition. So I winged it all the
way through, and I think I may have made a
mistake or two, but I think I feel pretty good
about my draft. I have a lot of guys who
were like guys I wanted to get just to stay
true to my brand. Mike Kasicki for one. Uh, Noah
Fan was another one. There were some guys who I
just wanted to make sure I had on my team.
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But you know, all said and done, do I wish
I would have made a pick or two different and
probably had an additional flex player over my third quarterback? Yeah,
I probably do. But looking at you know, everyone else's teams,
I think I'm as competitive as anyone. Yeah, I mean
that's really all you uh, It's really all you can
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ask for, right is to is to get done with
your Scott Fish Bowl draft and be like, look, I
could have done UM, a couple of things here or
they're different, But I don't feel terrible about what I
put together. So what what draft slot did you have?
I had one oh six was which was a very
difficult one. And I saw in a bunch of other
leagues that they were going very running back heavy because
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of that first downs, you know, scoring. But I didn't
feel like I had to be married to a running back.
And with one oh six, I took a guy that
was going way later in other divisions in Michael Thomas.
And I was, you know, talking to people about my pick.
Some people liked it and thought it was a fine spot.
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Some people said, what are you doing, idiot? You should
be taking a quarterback or running back. So I'm curious
as to where you stand on like the first round
receiver in this format. So I I don't love the
first round receiver in this format. The way that my
draft went, I I was at the one oh four.
It went McCaffrey, Barkley, Lamar, Mahomes, Zeke, Michael Thomas, which
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I think is probably how most of those drafts started.
What were your were either Mahomes or Lamar on board
for you there at one oh six? No, the draft
board went McCaffrey, Barkley, Mahomes, Jackson, Zeke. So my choices
were Kelsey, Kittle, Michael Thomas, Camara, Derrick Henry was basically
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my player pool, and I just was like, whatever, Michael Thomas,
it's it's a league that rewards first downs. In terms
of first downs, you know, an efficiency from receivers. He's
so much better than everyone else. Let's take him and
and see where we go from there. And my draft
kind of shaped itself from there. As we move on,
we can talk about what I did the first three
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rounds that I ended up loving that it seemed like
no one else in their right mind was doing in
this format. So where where you picked, I think I
probably would have took Travis Kelsey because of the you know,
the absurd bonuses for tight ends. The problem you have
when you start without a quarterback or running back, though,
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is they're gonna be guys at wide receiver you like
in round five and you're gonna feel like you can't
take them, you know. And if you start with the
tight end, you know there's gonna be There were tight
ends that I took in rounds eight or nine that
I really like that I obviously probably would have wanted
to skip, you know, if if I had taken uh,
you know, if I had taken Travis Kelsey at the
one of four. So what did you do with your
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first three picks? So I was talking, you know, best
available or thinking best available for this entire draft, and
the first three rounds, it just so happened everyone else
was focused on quarterbacks and running backs. Like you look
at the back end of the first round, the you know,
the first half of the second round, Delvin Cook, Derrick Henry,
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Joe mix and Russell will Uson, Nick Chubb, Miles Sanders,
Drew Brees, Austin Ekeler, Dak Prescott where some of the
picks before me. So Davante Adams was still on the board.
Round two, I figure, I already took the wide receiver.
What the hell, let's keep going with that trend. Took
him as the wide receiver too. And then at my
third pick, the only other receiver who had gone was
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Tyreek Hill, So I went DeAndre Hopkins. So I started
an actual fantasy football draft with Michael Thomas, Davante Adams,
DeAndre Hopkins. I know the scoring is not perfect for
such a setup, and somehow, some way, I still came
away feeling like, Wow, that's unique. And while I actually
really like that, I think I can figure out my
other positions. Yeah, I definitely think that is a unique
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start to a draft, and that's you know, that's part
of what you want to be focusing on. There are
I think and forty teams in the scott Fish Bowl.
Really all we care about is making the you know,
having the best of those teams. So being unique as
a big part of that. You know, you're not gonna
want to have rosters that are really similar to some
of those other teams that are gonna be there in
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the final And you know it's starting three wide receivers
basically frees you up to I think comfortable you could
probably not take another wide receiver into like the tenth
round when you start that way. So I don't hate
that as a building block. You know what my question is,
when you were sitting there looking at DeAndre Hopkins, you
know what quarterbacks were there available for you? Could you
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have taken uh, you know, someone like Matt Ryan when
when DeAndre Hopkins was there, Yes, so the quarterbacks available
at that time, there were the next three to go
Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford. I just wasn't that
excited about reaching on Matt Ryan in the third round.
I know he's an ample quarterback in this format, but
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I figured, instead of reaching on him, why not just
just continue with this wide receiver approach and just take
what's given to me a quarterback. At this point, I'm
playing from behind anyways, so I might as well just
fully commit to my strategy, was the way that I thought.
So we started, uh in terms of positions pretty different.
I took Patrick Mahomes at the one oh four, and
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then I had a huge debate with myself. At the
two oh nine. My plan was to take Miles Sanders.
That was my my top guy that I wanted to
take at the two o nine. One Overall, he goes
off the board the pick before me, so I had
a I had a key decision there. I could take
Tyreek Hill to complete the stack with Patrick Mahomes, which
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is something I thought was super important in this format.
You know, I think basically adding both of the quarterbacks
you plan on starting on a weekly basis with a
stack was, you know, one of the best ways to
approach this from a structural drafting perspective. But I also
thought for those who you know, are not uniquely familiar
with the scoring format, there are huge negatives for quarterbacks.
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It's mark, it's minus four points for an interception, uh,
minus one point for a sack, minus half a point
for an incompletion UH. And then you get a half
a point for completions as well. So I the you know,
for me, the gaps between like the top five quarterbacks
and the you know, like quarterback twelve through eighteen. I
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thought what was massive in this? So I ended up
taking Kyler Murray. I I think Ricky though even that
being said, I do think it was a mistake because
I think Kyler might have been there for me at
overall at the three or four I'm sitting here looking
at my draft board in pretty much still regretting taking
Kyler over Tyreek Hill. Yeah. I thought I had a
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chance for Kyler Murray in the third round, and he
went to pick after me. I actually was waiting on
Dak Prescott round two. That's why I wanted over Davante Adams,
and he went with that next pick. Because I had
the similar thinking to you that there were like five
guys that I really wanted a quarterback, which were Mahomes,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, and Dak Prescott. With
the guys as I saw as that top tier, and
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then I would have liked Brady as a guy. But
I felt pretty good about the you know, the lack
of sacks and the completions and just a guy who
I thought was gonna be a good value. And by
the time I was getting ready to select them, they
were gone. So, you know, talking about Kyler Murray for you,
I'm not sold he would have lasted at least in
my draft, qbs flew off the board. I mean at
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the end of round three, twelve qbs, I'm sorry, at
the end of round four, twelve qbs have been taken. Uh.
The end of round three, we were already at eight quarterbacks,
so it was definitely different from your average like one
quarterback seasonal league. And by then again it was like, well,
I want to solidify my other positions and I'm just
gonna see you what's available. And a few times I
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felt like, you know, I could have gone for a
quarterback and I just went someone else and we could
talk about what I did at quarterback. I was happy
to have Daniel Jones at QB twenty, but I don't
think he's perfect for this format, which is why I
went ahead and took a different quarterback in Round eleven.
Is my third quarter act to kind of solidify that.
I would feel good about having two guys to start
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down the stretch. So I don't think you should regret it.
I think your start is unique in its own right.
And you did find some pass catchers to pair with
these guys, which I was unable to do because they
kept going right before me. This draft was just frustrating
from a Q perspective, where you had a guy teed
up and then it just seemed like the two guys
surrounded me. One of them was at DLF football, so
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you know that the Dynasty League guys were on their stuff.
I just couldn't get anything past him for freaking one pick.
My draft was pretty interesting in terms of the quarterbacks.
So Dak went ninth overall, Drew Brees went sixteenth overall,
Russell Wilson went nineteenth overall. I took Kyler DeShawn went
twenty four overall, Josh Allen at thirty one, Matt Ryan
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at thirty second, Aaron Rodgers thirty six, Matt Stafford thirty eight,
and then there was a little bit of a break
before Brady went at forty four. I felt like the
way my room treated quarterbacks was basically, after they took
their first one, a lot of guys kind of waited
on their second quarterback, which, um, well, I I guess
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this is kind of overall a point about just drafting
with different rules and scoring settings, like it's very important
to know the way in which scoring settings are going
to impact how you should draft. Um. I I think
people the way they took the scoring rules was kind
of um. I think people actually made a tactical mistake
where they were assuming that because the quarterbacks were gonna
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have a lot of negative weeks, that there wouldn't be
much of a difference between you know, like let's say,
let's say Daniel Jones and Drew Lock or whatever because
of the negative scoring. And I think a lot of
teams are going to have set themselves up to, you know,
basically not be starting quarterbacks in that super flex position.
And uh, you know, I I gotta say, I think
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that's a mistake. I think the optimal strategy really was
if possible, um to get two of the stud quarterbacks.
Just what I ended up doing, though, I think if
you didn't get one, it kind of made sense to
load up elsewhere and then just gamble and kind of
do what you did by taking the third quarterback early. Yeah,
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and can we just stop for a second and acknowledge
that I think Josh Allen was the most overdrafted player
in this format. I don't see much difference in this
format between Josh Allen and Daniel Jones, and there was
a six quarterback difference and where they were drafted in
my league. I mean, Josh Allen, you talk about like
completion percentage. This is the guy that's been under six
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each season. His first year, he was at fifty three,
and sure it's shot up, I mean exactly six percentage
point improvement last year. But I view this guy as
a legitimate threat to tank some of your weeks, and
so I didn't understand why he was going so much
higher than Jones. Maybe you can enlighten me, but I
thought he was the single worst pick in many drafts. Yeah,
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I agree, and we can discuss that when we get
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Hour on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock, going today
by Ricky Sanders. We are breaking down our Scott Fish
Bowl fantasy football teams that we just wrapped up drafting,
kind of using them to overall think about, you know,
tournament philosophy. You know a lot of us are playing
in these high stakes fantasy football leagues. I think this
is a really good warm up. Four were those formats? So, Ricky,
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you started with three wide receivers? What did you What
did you do after you started with Michael Thomas, Davante Adams,
and DeAndre Hopkins. I felt like I had to get
a running back, knowing the format, and I wanted a
guy who I felt good being the guy, and James
Conner happened to fall to RB twenty, which was a
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spot I was completely comfortable with him. In fact, I'm
pretty sure I would have been taking him at RB
six team, so the fact that he was still there
at RB twenty was great, especially after hearing Mike Tomlins
say that he's the guy. As long as he's healthy,
I think there's gonna be a full workload available for him.
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I really liked that Steeler's offense. I wanted to get
pieces of it, and I already had receivers, so it
didn't really make too much sense for me to go
with Juju at that point, so I went James Conner
and then I went cam Akers, so I view as
one of the highest upside backs. I was gonna be
choosing between Chris Carson and cam Akers had it fallen
that way, and Carson went to pick before which made
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it easy. But to me, cam Akers is a clear
guy in the middle rounds that could single handedly win
you these leagues, like if the team, if the Rams
commit to him as the guy, he has fresh legs,
it's pretty clear the team was not interested in getting
a full workload to guys like Darrell Henderson and Malcolm Brown.
So if all of a sudden, you have a you know, uh,
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the back in a Scott McVeigh are McVeigh offense, I
think it's it's really meaningful. I mean, we've seen Todd
Gurley have some massive seasons that I'm not ready to
call cam Akers Todd Gurley, but you look at the
college tape of Acres and he's explosive, he could break tackles,
and I just think there's, you know, double digit to
touchdown upside. There's a thousand plus yard upside here. Cam Akers,
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to me, I viewed as one of those guys who
could just be viewed as a pure upside play, and
in a league with over four hundred teams, I wanted
to be on those guys where I saw the clear ceiling.
I wasn't really concerned about floor. Give me cam Akers,
who could clearly be a first round running back in
two thousand one if all everything goes well. So I'm
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I'm pretty jealous of the picks you made because I
really wanted James Conner with my selection in the fourth
round and actually Funnily enough, in my draft, the guy
who selected at forty, which is would have been where
you selected coming from the one oh six at the
four oh four, James Conner went at the exact same
slot in my draft. That was who I was hoping
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to take with my fourth round pick if I wasn't
able to get James Conner, that I wanted to say
d J. Moore. He went the pick immediately after James Conner,
and so then I was sitting there and uh I
I was like, well, you know, I I do. I
have DeAndre Hopkins who I have matched with, and you know,
Tyre it kills off the board, So I just I'm
gonna take the guy that I like the best who's left.
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So I took Juju smith Schuster, who I think, you know,
obviously would have been in play where you selected had
you not started with four straight wide receivers. I feel
very similarly about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, basically last
year was kind of the bottom one percent outcome for them.
Ben Roethlisberger plays only five quarters of football. Everyone's hurt,
you know, Smith Schuster's hurt, and Connor's hurt, and the
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line doesn't play that well, Mason Rudolph is terrible, then
he gets hurt. Then Duck Hodges is even worse than
Rudolph comes back. Then Juju Smith Schuster gets hurt. Like
it just it was such a chaotic nightmare that I
am not really taking much out of what happened to
the Pittsburgh Steelers last year. So I felt pretty good
about that. I think Connor is clearly the better selection, though,
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as we will see as my draft continues, I am
very light at the running back position, so I think
you have to feel very good and then um, Similarly,
I also really wanted cam Akers. I thought maybe I
could wait a little bit on Acres, but he ended
up going super early relative to what I thought in
my draft because and they're picking at the five oh four,
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so my fifth selection, and and uh, I kind of
had that pick bookmark for cam Akers, but there was
no way in my mind that I could take Acres
over a J. Brown, who I just you know again,
I think is kind of a a league winning stud
feels like though, and I like Acres too, by the way,
I just I thought there was certainly a much greater
chance that Acres would be there for me at the
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six O nine than you know, than A J. Brown
being there. How do you feel about about that decision?
A J. Brown over cam Akers? So I had the
same decision actually, and I went Acres, but that was
only because of my wide receivers start Um. If I
went that route, I was banking on David Montgomery, my guy,
being available at the next pick, and I'm glad I
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didn't go that route because Montgomery did not make it
to that to that next pick. So it was a
little bit about roster construction. A J. Brown was like
historically efficient last year, so you're really banking on something
similar to continue or potentially a higher volume headed his
way because of it. I think A J. Brown a
great selection in the fifth round, and it just kind
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of depended on what position you needed. I don't really
have a strong preference one way or the other. Because
of the scoring, and because I I felt like I
needed two backs that I that I felt good about,
I went the cam Akers route. You know, will A J.
Brown produced more fantasy points in this format that remains
to be seen. I think he's the likely favorite there, um,
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But because I needed the backs, I went that route.
I think you could have gone either way. I think
if I were you, I would have chanced it the
way you did. But for me, Acres made sense, So
I thought, I don't need to middle and go wishy washy.
But I think it kind of comes down to positions
at that point. Yeah, I I I definitely, um, I
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definitely think that's true. I mean I I wanted James Connor,
I wanted Cam Akers. Those guys were kind of on
my target list as the guys who have running back
one upside, I'll probably be able to start them week one. Well,
in terms of Connor, you definitely will be able to Acres.
You know, it's a little bit undetermined, you know, how
they decide to dole out that playing time in week one.
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But you know, in between my fifth and sixth pick,
Jonathan Taylor went, David Johnson went, Levian Bell went, DeAndre
Swift went, Cam Akers went, David Montgomery went, Damian Williams went,
and Melvin Gordon went. So like the running back queue
in between my fifth and sixth pick just got at,
like just destroyed. Like it would have been where when
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I went to go pick at the six o nine
if I wanted to take a running back, it would
have been someone like Devin Singletary or mark Ingram. So
I just, you know, I just I just took another
wide receiver and I took DJ Shark at the at
the six o nine, which, uh, you know, I feel
I I feel pretty decent about selecting a Shark there.
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I like Shark. But with your team, I gotta ask,
was David Montgomery is still available? I know you're not
a huge fan of his, but that volume he had
he had just went and I actually think, and I'm
not a David Montgomery guy at all, but I actually
think I probably would have taken him there. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think there are too many like David Montgomery
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guys that are saying he's a great football player. But
because of the coaching staff saying that they're going to
commit more to him after two forty caries last year,
I think you just have to see that the volume
is gonna be there enough that in a format like
this with first downs, uh, in a format like this
where you you know a lot of people are are
waiting on their second or third running back, and just
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a guy you can get in the middle rounds that
should should keep you afloat. I think David Montgomery makes
a lot of sense as RB two for a lot
of teams. So I don't think you have to be
a David Montgomery guy to select David Montgomery. Yeah, so
what direction did you go after you took Acres and Connor?
So then I felt it was time for me to
get quarterbacks right, and after I took Acres there was
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a bit of a quarterback run which tilted me quite
a lot. Um Teddy Bridgewater was definitely. I had my
eye on Baker Mayfield was a guy had my eye
on Jimmy Garoppolo. I would have taken. Those were three
of the four that went in that ring that next
range before my pick. Cam Newton was there too, So
how would you have ranked these four quarterbacks? Because they
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were the next four to go? Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow,
Ben Roethlisberger, Jared Goff. I had the first selection of
that grouping of four, and I felt like the upside
of Daniel Jones, if he could approve upon his accuracy,
was the best of the bunch. We talked about the
fact that we thought he has, you know, forty plus
yard upside, thirty plus touchdown upside for sure. Roethlisberger I
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don't know if he was safer, but I think he
was the most stable of the bunch. But I went
Daniel Jones there, and then a few quarterbacks went and
then I took the second quarterback in that bunch. So
how do you rate that foursome Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Golf.
It would have been Roethlisberger, Goff, Jones, Borough, Roethlisberger, Goff, Jones,
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Burrow would have been the order that I would have
taken them, especially because you gain a know, there's like
a little bit of stack equity there for you with
Roethlisberger and James Conner, though there is stack equity that
can be built in later with Daniel Jones because his
wide receivers go a little bit later. I I am
of the opinion that definitely Jones is one of those
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guys who's hurt by this scoring format, but also like
he's gonna have four yard, four touchdown weeks just by
the nature of you know that that defense sucks, They're
gonna be down in a lot of games, and that's
going to be pretty optimal for his fantasy scoring. Yeah,
he was a guy I felt like I needed a
third quarterback I could rely on if I'm taking him,
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but there's also a scenario in which he just pans
out and is good. I think, in hindsight, I kind
of agree with you that Ben Roethlisberger, James Conner, you know,
duo would have been nice and knowing how many passes
Connor takes, and in hindsight missing on Sterling Shepherd because
he goes a pick in front of me. Uh, that
one really hurt with Daniel Jones because I had him
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penciled in on my team. So yeah, I mean I
think Roethlisberger would have been a good fit. I went
Jones first of the bunch. The next two quarterbacks were
Burrow and Roethlisberger. So in round six and seven, I
ended up Daniel Jones and Jared Goff is my starting quarterbacks. Um. Yeah,
And and so when you took golf, was Robert Woods
already off the board. Yeah, so right before that pick,
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Woods and Cup went back to back hilariously, Yeah, so
would again I am. I'm I'm focusing pretty heavy on
the stack up side there and uh, which we're gonna
is going to come into play As we talked about
my draft, Um, a little bit later, I got I
got robbed on some stack equity with mcole Hardman going
really early, so I get to I get to pick
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seventy six, the fourth pick of the seventh round. Mark
Ingram goes, Devin Singletary goes, Kareem Hunt goes in between
my six and seventh round pick. So I just, I
is like, you know what, I just I don't want
to tempt fate that hard at the running back position,
and I took JK. Dobbins at pick seventy overall, I honestly,
I'm not a huge fan of it. You know, I
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think there is a good chance that Dobbins ends up
being very similar to Darrell Henderson last year. But second
run pick one of the most efficient rushing teams in
the NFL, make me feel better about this pick. Ricky Well,
I think if you're going, you know, shooting for the ceiling,
all you need is a mark Ingram injury, and all
of a sudden you've got a true RB one at
this point, which is what you're playing for, right because
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you're setting the base at all the other positions, and
you've got it clearly. A guy who lands on an
elite rushing team, a guy who when he gets the ball,
should be efficient. A guy who's who should already have
a role to start the season. You assume they took
him because they wanted to take, you know, those other
secondary backs out of the rotation. So from a upside perspective,
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I get it. I would have liked to have a
more stable RB one, It's all I can say. But
you know, if everything goes for you, your team could
be very dangerous. And it's not like marketing River was
a young I mean, we're talking about over a thirty
year old back here. So once guys get that old
that usually either run hotest theme or hit those injury issues.
It's tough to take NFL hits for that long without it.
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U So I don't hate it. I think it's just
about the best you could do there, especially if like
Singletary was gone, Like what else are you gonna do? Yep,
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using this to overall talk about fantasy football strategy and
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player evaluation. So, Ricky, we are sitting here looking at
kind of we we have the nucleus of our teams built.
We we've gone through six selections. Uh, you just took
your first two quarterbacks. You're sitting there about ready to
make your your eighth round selection. What are you What
are you thinking with when you're sitting there on the clock. Oh,
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there's only one name I'm thinking at that point. That
is Mike KISSICKI who I've been waiting for the entire draft,
and I was not willing to tempt fate. I took
Kisicky at tight end eight in round eight, and I
was completely happy with it. Davis, what if I told
you there's a tight end available in round eight of
your drafts? That over the course of his final six games,
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average seven point seven targets per games, scored five touchdowns.
Uh for talking draft kings Fantasy points per game about
thirteen and a half during that span, which anyone who was,
you know, playing daily fantasy last year, regardless of side,
even on FanDuel, you know, it was tough to get
double digit fantasy points from tight ends for an extended stretch,
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especially after Darren Waller started to slow down. So all
of a sudden, we had a guy that was basically
a tight end one with all the talent in the world,
with a new quarterback in town whose uh specialty is efficiency.
I just think there's so many things going for Mike Gisiki.
Everyone knows that I love him, but it's interesting to
see now and I love it. The entire industry is
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starting to come around. Maybe I was a year early
on him, but I would rather be a year early
on Giziki than a year too late, because I think
this guy is going to be excellent. So I actually
had a very similar decision. I already had two quarterbacks,
I had running back. I was very comfortable at wide receiver,
you know, the wide receivers on the board, where I
was picking in the eighth round. Were would have been
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guys who wouldn't have even been locks to start for me.
Davante Parker, Marquis Brown, Michael Gallup, none of them closed
stacks for me. I like those guys, but I in
the eighth round, Tyler Higbee was there. I've yet to
take Tyler Higby in a draft yet this year, but
I think in specifically this format, where you know there's
no there, winning your twelve team league does not do
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anything for you, even in the even in the f
f PC, and you know the high stakes leagues, winning
your league still gets you some prize money. You you
double your prize money if you win your league. You're
able to get your entry feedback if you make the
playoffs in your league. So there's still some reason. But
we truly only care about getting first here. So I
took Tyler Higby over Mike Gasicky, thinking that I would
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be able to get Gassicky as a flex starter coming
back around in the ninth round at pick one hundred.
That's not what ended up happening. I took Hib at
ninety three. GASSICKI goes at nineties six overall to the
guy who was drafting on the turn I I really
wanted get Sicky. I I agree with you know, basically
everything you have to say about him being a guy
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who's gonna play a ton. You know, he led all
tight ends in slot snaps last year, played more slot
snaps than Travis Kelsey than George Kittle. Like he really
was just a wide receiver for the Dolphins. So I
took Higby. And actually, it's funny. I'm sitting here looking
at the my Fantasy League page and this was the
pick I spent the longest on the clock for, uh,
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like when I knew I was on clock because I
was sitting there Ricky like googling like Tyler Higby Google
news alerts to see like had Sean McVeigh said anything
about him, Like has he been like, oh, we're gonna
feature Tyler Higby, Like trying to trying to uncover something
that made me feel better. It was an uncharacteristic pick
for me, taking Higby over Gisicky. How do you feel
about that decision? Well, I had the same decision, and
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I had Jared Goff and I just couldn't do it
because I viewed his Siggy as just an up and
coming monster. Look, I think Higbee there are multiple things
that could go wrong here. I think cam Acres could
be a guy that helps them go more run heavy.
I mean last year Todd Gurley was a shell of
his former self, so the team didn't have too much
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motivation to go, you know, as an extremely run heavy offense.
I mean you look at the receiving poor. You lose
Brandon Hooks, so that gives them another reason to go
that route. And you know, I think Gerald Everett could
factor in. Van Jefferson could factor into some of those
short snaps as they draft him in the second round.
So there were just too many things that made me,
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you know, second guest Higbee. I would have preferred him
as a second tight end. Uh So I don't love
it as I'm sure you expected, as you know, as
this decision of passing on getsicky for just about anyone.
I will acknowledge, though I would have taken Higbee as
my second tight end if he fell. I wanted hated
Hurst as my second tight end. There were two guys
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on it before my ninth round pick, that was Hayden
Hurst and Marquis Brown. They both end up going within
like four picks of my pick, So I went to
Noah Fan as my tight end too. Wow, we we
each took the same tight end two in the ninth round. Yeah,
so my draft ends up going three receivers, two backs,
two quarterbacks, two tight ends. Very uniform drafting from Team
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Sanders over here. Yeah, so I thought I thought Fan
was a pretty clear value. So the first thing to
know about rookie tight ends is they basically never produced,
like like, they never get on the field, They're never
part of their team's offenses. That is not what happened
with Noah fant Um. He ended up being second on
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his team as a rookie in targets, was targeted more
than day Shawn Hamilton's, more than Manny Sanders, more than
Tim Patrick. Uh, you know, basically was kind of the
starting tight end right away for the Denver Broncos from
day one, which really and and by the way, he
did not play in a pro style offense in college.
He played Iowa with fellow first round pick t J.
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Hockenson and actually outproduced t J. Hockinson, which it seems
that no one really ever wants to talk about. But
to me, Fan just profiles, as you know, a Jimmy
Graham type. He's not gonna be asked to block a Ton,
He's just gonna be a stone cold pass catcher. I
think Denver has signaled that they they want to try
and be all in on Drew Lock. They want to
try and throw the ball six hundred times. Like, yeah,
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they signed Melvin Gordon. Yeah, They've been this really ground
like basically ever since the Peyton Manning brock Os Wilder
platoon season, they've been one of the most run heavy
teams in football. But I think that, you know, with
this Drew Lock pick, they think he's good enough to
try and go for it. So and by the way,
I think Fan out targets Jerry Judy, kJ Hammler and
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Albert Oh, you know, maybe maybe even combined this year.
Like I think he does get to a hundred plus
targets this season. And you know, this format rewards one
point five PPR four tight ends one point five points
per first down, So like five for fifty with three
first downs for a tight end is like an absurd
game like that, Like that is like a crazy good game.
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And you know, Fan, even if he doesn't have a
crazy breakout year, I think he can still score, you know,
a hundred seventy five points or so in this format. Yeah,
I mean we're talking guys in the eighth and ninth
round at tight end. How many of these guys do
you envision having the potential to have a top five
tight end season. The guys to me are Gisicky, I
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guess Higbee probably is in that tier, Hayden Hurst and
Noah Fant and I'm not sure there's anyone else that
I'm overly excited about. I'm not there with Groundkowski. I
don't know how you feel about it. I think there's
a lot of weapons on that team. There's an aging
Tom Brady, and I don't even think I'm there with
Hunter Henry. I think he's fine. I just I don't
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love the fact that he's got Tyrod, Taylor and Justin Herbert.
I guess you know, ty Rods had a good season
with Charles Clay not not a crazy upside season, but
you know, usable tight end, I think it's really only
those four guys this late, so you know you want
to finish first in your division. I think the Gickis
and the fans are the are the types of guys
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you want to be drafting. I I definitely. I definitely
agree with you, and my room went ham on tight
ends in between these picks taking UH took Jack Doyle,
Hayden Hurst and UH Dallas Goddard, Rob Gronkowski, Austin Hooper,
T J. Howkins, and Chris Herndon all before all went
off the board in the next twenty picks. But I
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I had my my soul absolutely ripped out from me
in between pick my ninth pick and my tenth pick,
because I needed McCole Hardman, right, I needed McCole Hardman
to close the loop with the Patrick Mahomes stack and UH,
and these are these were all dudes I had in
my que who went in between picks nine and ten.
Ronald Jones Goes, love love Ronald Jones. Christian Kirk Goes
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had him in the queue obviously, would have loved to
have paired him with Uh, Kyler Murray to get the
double stack. Then you know, once those guys go, then
I'm I'm looking at Okay Well Fuller, you know, great
super high upside guy. Definitely want him in tournaments. He
goes Hardman goes like it just it was. It was brutal.
So I end up taking a guy I don't even
really like, but know that my team kind of needed
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someone like this, So I take Tarry Cohen with my
tenth round selection A hundred and seventeen overall, I mean,
really a pretty boring pick. Tarry Cohen is really just
kind of like fancy James White, but should be able
to start in week one while I wait for some
of my other breakout guys. You're you're a Bears, dude,
give me, give me the low down on Tarry Cohen.
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I think Cohen is a fine pick. I think because
you know you're going for the zero RB guys, you
gotta hold down the fort. I think Terry con is
the perfect guy for that scenario, so I'm not gonna
hate on you for that pick. I don't think Tarik
Cohn's singlehandedly winning you anything, um, so I'm I'm cool
with it. I think he clearly has a role in
that Naggie short passing game system. You're gonna get a
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toy of targets from him. I think I screwed up
in my tenth round. Will Fullard and Michael Gallup were
both available, and I took Gallop, and I think I
regret that. I think if I did it, over again,
I would have gone will Fuller. Now I think that's fine.
Gallop is Gallop is such a stud. Gallop Gallop actually
in because he missed two games, but he actually had
a higher target share than a Marii Cooper over the
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course of the season. Yeah, I mean, I'm fine with Gallop.
Darry Slayton. By the way it goes before I could select,
so I couldn't do the stack there, although I was
targeting Sterling Shepherd. Anyways, Uh, this was the part of
the draft where I was just like, I don't know,
I'll figure it out when I get there. And I
didn't have a strategy anymore because I had drafted the positions,
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you know, the way they went basically one after the other.
But yeah, this is the first, the first part of
the draft that I started second guessing myself. So as
long as you're okay with that, I feel better. Pick
eleven is where the controversy came in. Basically, anyone I
talked to was not a huge fan the way I
was a fan of selecting ta Um, So I I
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get the strategy right of being like, well, I don't
have one of the five best quarterbacks in fantasy, so
I'm probably gonna want to play the matchups a little bit.
I'm probably gonna want the ceiling a little bit, right, Like,
I I get that. But you know, obviously at pick eleven,
you passed up on some like guys who are still
really good picks in fantasy this year, like guys who
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like running backs, wide receivers, like I imagine you took
to uh before t J. Hockinson went No, Hockinson was
already off the board. Okay, that's interesting. I would have
taken a third tight end before a third quarterback in
this format. So accuracy was the name of the game here, right,
I mean, if Drew Brees is a first rounder in
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leagues who projects more like Drew Brees, we're talking about,
you know, basically a seventy percent completion guy in college.
So I'm shooting for the ceiling here with tah and
I'm going for the pair with Mike Kisiki. And I'm
not sure how I feel about Daniel Jones or Jared Goff.
I made the arguments why that team could be a
run heavy league or team, and Daniel Jones not incredibly accurate.
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I just felt like two of because of this scoring
format has the potential to dominate and be a true
QB one. Yeah all right everyone, We're going to head
into our final break here on the Daily Road to Hour.
We will close out Ricky and I's teams when we
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to Hour on sports Grid TV. I'm David's Mannock joined
by Ricky Sanders as we breakdown our scott Fish Bowl teams.
Rick I, I go, I can't give you two heart
of a time for making a mistake with your eleventh
round pick because I made uh one of the worst
picks of the draft. Uh so I get sniped on
McCole hardman. I'm on, like, Phil, hell you youth level
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till in our on loop chat on Twitter. You know,
I'm like, I'm like braiding the guys in my league. Like,
how can you take Micole Hardman there? You don't even
have Mahomes Like, I'm so mad, and uh I took
Sammy Watkins in the eleventh round. Overall, it was the
It was the second earliest that anyone took him in
the entire Scott Fish Bawl no one, Like, only one
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person took Sammy Watkins earlier than I took him. So
why are we back on Sammy Watkins after the final
fifteen weeks of last year? Like what gives you a
good feeling other than Patrick Mahomes throwing him in the
football of an entire season that you could feel like
an eleventh round Sammy Watkins was even in considering I
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guess you're going for the stack here. I get that
that part of it. But man, Sammy Watkins was brutal.
So this is the this is my only this is
truly my only defense. He's still gonna be a starter
for that team. Last year in all of his healthy games,
so he missed two games with injury and left the
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Indianapolis Colts game in the first series of injury. He
played over six of the snaps in every game. He
played over of the snaps in six of the fourteen
games that he played, uh, you know, and and in
the postseason he played eight seven eighty two and eighty
seven percent of the offensive snaps. Uh, and you know,
basically he's still a starter. Now. I think Hardman probably
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is going to be way more efficient than him. But
in Week one, who do I think will get more targets,
Watkins or Hardman? I think it will probably be Watkins.
And that that was enough at that at that point
in the draft, that was basically enough for me. Was
like I I just I gotta it. I have to write,
I gotta close the stack. I've been on Twitter and
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on podcast telling everyone like you you gotta you gotta stack,
and uh, and that's what I did. It was not
a good pick, um, it was not a good value selection,
but I did it anyway. But by the way, kind
of off topic here, but doesn't it suck to be
the nice guy in these leagues who picks in a
timely fashion because in the middle of my draft, and
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it seems like in the middle of every slow draft
that I do, some news happens. And because I pick
usually in like five to ten minutes from me seeing it,
I never milked the clock. But that raheem mostirt news
came out in my league like a few picks after
me because I had been the respectful guy and picked.
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And then of course Joe Schmo sitting there on the clock,
gets the raheem mostirt news because he's three hours into
his clock, just you know, at night, by the way,
it wasn't like we're talking, you know, work day. Uh.
And he ends up with Tevin Coleman, who might be
a starting running back. Just in these leagues, it always
ends up that nice guys finished last in my in
my experience, I just wanted to throw that out there.
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Uh yeah, that uh that that definitely is true. However,
my next four picks were script perfect. This was how
I I wrote up my draft because you know, obviously
at this point we're through eleven picks, I have only
two running backs. Uh, So picks twelve through sixteen, I
took Boston Scott, I took Tony Pollard, I took Chase Edmonds,
and I took Darrenton Evans. So that was basically the
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four guys that I think are the best zero running
back candidates outside of uh, Latavious Murray was one that
I missed in there, and Antonio Gibson was another. But
those are those were all zero running back guys that
I am that I am super into. So I felt
really good about that. Yeah, that's well done. During that stretch.
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What round did you get darrented by the way, because
I got him a round sixteen, I wasn't sure if
that was early. Uh No, I took him in. I
took him in the sixteenth as well. Okay, I was
between him and Labiscus Nult. I don't know how I
feel about the way I went there. Probably should have
gone Chenalt. But you know, after round eleven, I started
getting talky. I felt good about two, a way better
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than like the people on Twitter felt about it. And
I felt like I had built a solid base. And
I thought Sterling Shepherd was gonna fall to me round thirteen,
he was gonna fall right into my lap. I thought
Alexander Madison was gonna follow me. Round twelve, Madison goes
RB forty two. I had the next pick. I went
Matt Brita instead of going Sterling Shepherd to load up
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on the freaking dolphins. I end up with my third dolphin,
thinking that Sterling Shepherd's my next guy, and he goes.
So basically I am stackless. I missed on those receivers
for the rams. I missed now on all the guys here.
I think Golden Tate was even gone by then, so
I just had no one to take on the giants. Uh,
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And I was on full tilt at that point. So
I took Brashod Pearriman, Jay Sternberger, Antonio Brown's, Darrenton Evans,
those next you know war rounds. So I thought, yeah,
I thought, I thought A B was very good in
this format, and um so Antonio Brown in my draft
went uh. He went really early. He went at the
twelve oh four, So before I even started my zero
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running back run, I probably would have I thought round
and was great value for him. Yeah, me too. I
just wish I went Lavishka Senov. I felt felt like
I needed another really usual player most weeks, and Evans
could give me the potential to be that you know,
home run guy any given week, and he could be
the guy if there's no Henry. But I think Chanel
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was my guy there. Yeah, so I agreed, Chanel great
pick I took. So this is, by the way, Ricky,
why I think too Uh was so bad is I
took Justin Herbert as my third quarterback at pickin and
that was kind of my plan the whole time, was
to end up taking Herbert as my third quarterback. And uh,
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you know, I gotta say, I just think, uh, it
was a much h my uch more cost conscientious decision
than taking two in the eleventh. Yeah, but there's not
the same reward here, man, I mean that that is true. Yeah,
way less ceiling there, exactly. I think they're more comfortable
with Tyrod being the guy for most of the year
and Herbert being a project quarterback and to a skill
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set is so much better suited for this format. Look
to have played with excellent, excellent talent all around him.
But I think accuracy is going to be in his
game regardless. So if you can get a QB two
who's giving you sixty five to sixty six percent completion
and then he can figure out, you know, uh, to
get the ball to Mike Kisiki in the end zone,
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all of a sudden toa could be just a massive pick.
You know, even if he starts eight games down the
stretch of SFB, he could be a guy that I'm
just like screw Daniel Jones I've got two and now,
and I've made the playoffs last year with three quarterbacks
and having one. I think it was Ben Roethlisberger go down,
So I just felt like I wanted that third quarterback,
especially having waited so long. Yeah, I mean it's fine.
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I also took Chanelt in mine. I took Channel at
uh the one dred and ninety six pick seventeen oh four.
I do. I I kind of feel like Channel is
basically kind of has a chance to be one of
the all time values if he is both the starting
outside wide receiver opposite of DJ Shark d D Westbrook
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in the slot, and that also gets some goal line carries.
You know. I think like like a like a fifty
carry and a d target season is totally in play
for Chanel. Yeah, I should clarify. I went Darrington Evans
over Chanlt and then tilted that. Like I mentioned, this
back end of my draft was just untill second guessing myself. Yeah. Yeah,
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I mean it's uh that that and that is uh,
you know, that's kind of the gift. So some of
the last picks, Uh, this is how I rounded mine out.
I took Eno Benjamin Uh. I probably early relative to
what his a DP was. But I took him to
you know, had another Arizona guy and you know, again,
if something happens to Kennyan Drake, I think Eno and
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Edmunds probably end up in some kind of time share.
I took Andy Isabella. Absolutely can't quit. A guy like
Isabella four point three one speed A second round selection.
When he played last year for the Cardinals, he was good.
He had that eighty nine yard touchdown against the San
Francisco forty niners on Thursday night. I I think the
light is still on for Isabella. Some of the guys
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I I missed that I wanted in here. I wanted
Jalen Heard. He went in between my selections. I liked
Jeff Wilson. He was another guy who went. Lynn Bowden
another guy I would have liked later on Brian Hill
basically as the handcuff to the arthritic need Todd Gurley.
Now they might Now it's something I haven't heard people
talk about, is they could resigned Vonta Freeman. There's no
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reason they can't re signed Vonta Freeman to a veteran
minimum contract that obviously would put Brian Hill in a
tough spot. And then I rounded out my draft with
two Chiefs to Arcas Robinson and Ricky Seals. Jones. Uh wanted,
of course, the the screenshot equity of of just knowing
that I have more Chiefs and that I can point
to those guys as the stack. But obviously, if Watkins
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and Kelsey get hurt, there's gonna be a role for
those guys. And we we start eleven players, so there
are some weeks we're just having a guy who's active
and on the field. With Patrick mahomes is is gonna
end up mattering. So that's how That's how I rounded
up my draft. Mine wasn't too dissimilar. You know, Benjamin
Andy Isabella are on my team. Myles Boykin was a
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guy who I thought had a shot to you know,
excel in this offense. Anyone with Lamar Jackson has a
chance at big play potential, which I feel like he
does Edo Smith, which I was kind of on tilt
because Jeff Wilson went to pick before, so whatever. And
then speaking of screenshot equity, I had to get my
stack save it for the last round. I might be
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the only team with the Jared Goff Van Jefferson stack,
but what the hell and we love Van Jefferson. Dude, No,
I actually don't. But I was just so pissed that
I got like nothing, I got, you know, Golf with
his running back. I don't have any receivers for Daniel Jones.
I need the damn pass catcher for one of my guys.
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So that was the only pass catcher that I've viewed
as viable available for any of my quarterbacks. So what
the hell, Van Jefferson do it? Be the slot guys
or sorry, be the outside guy in this offense pretty please? Yeah? So,
so how do you feel about your How do you
feel about your your team overall? Are you feeling You're
feeling good? I know, I know you're sitting there looking
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at everyone else having those pretty these those pretty stacks,
and uh you know that they're you're you're you're without one. Yeah,
I think I'm gonna need an injury in the Rams
passing game to really have an opportunity because I need,
I really do need Jefferson and Golf to be some
sort of stack or I need cam Akers to catch
a bunch of passes. Because I don't have much stack equity.
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I'm gonna have to be pretty perfect with my draft
or of the Dolphins B League winners like they were
last year, and I think those are my only outs. Yeah,
I I feel okay about my team. I would obviously
feel had had things gone perfectly for me, I would
have taken Tyreek get two oh nine than Kyler at
three oh four, that I would have been able to
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get or or hopefully would have been able to get
Christian Kirk to to line those stacks out. And uh,
you know, I know someone else in the scott Fish
Bowl with all the teams get drafted, is sitting out
there with those stacks, and uh, you know, it's just
a bummer to know that that that's not me. But
I feel good about the young tight ends. I I'm
really gonna need um, I'm really really really gonna need
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though a zero RB injury. Yeah, that's your path to
success is j K. Dobbins being an RB one and
then potentially another guy sneaking in there. It's just an
RB two of the guys that you drafted. I think
your path is clearer than mine because of your stack ability.
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean, and and that is again,
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you know, that's that's the goal. I I think that
my team doesn't project that well on paper right because
my my running back scores are coming from two guys
who are part time players at best, and then a
lot of guys who are stone cold backups. But you know,
of course, thank you to the great Scott Fish and
Ryan McDowell for running this league. You guys are the
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am Davis Mannick, joined today by Ricky Sanders. We are
continuing our examination of the scott Fish Bowl. Now Ricky
and I have both finalized our drafts. I would assume
a vast amount of the drafts are done, though not
all of them. Some some drafts in the scott Fish
Bowl because it is a slow draft. You know, there
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are guys who milk that eight hour clock for every
second that it's worth. So some drafts are still going on.
But Ricky, we are are mostly finalized with our drafts.
And before we get into a a pick by pick analysis,
just you know, how do you how do you feel
about your team? Do you feel like you you came
away with what you wanted? Did you have a plan,
were you able to stick to it? How did it go?
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So my plan was always draft the best available, but
my team did not end up looking anything like what
I thought it was going to look. I had the
one oh six and I wasn't sure who was going
to fall there, but I thought I likely had a
chance at like Lamar Jackson as the QB two, So
I was kind of banking on that, and that did
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not come to fruition. So I winged it all the
way through, and I think I may have made a
mistake or two, but I think I feel pretty good
about my draft. I have a lot of guys who
were like guys I wanted to get just to stay
true to my brand. Mike Kasicki for one. Uh, Noah
Fan was another one. There were some guys who I
just wanted to make sure I had on my team.
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But you know, all said and done, do I wish
I would have made a pick or two different and
probably had an additional flex player over my third quarterback? Yeah,
I probably do. But looking at you know, everyone else's teams,
I think I'm as competitive as anyone. Yeah, I mean
that's really all you uh, It's really all you can
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ask for, right is to is to get done with
your Scott Fish Bowl draft and be like, look, I
could have done UM, a couple of things here or
they're different, But I don't feel terrible about what I
put together. So what what draft slot did you have?
I had one oh six was which was a very
difficult one. And I saw in a bunch of other
leagues that they were going very running back heavy because
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of that first downs, you know, scoring. But I didn't
feel like I had to be married to a running back.
And with one oh six, I took a guy that
was going way later in other divisions in Michael Thomas.
And I was, you know, talking to people about my pick.
Some people liked it and thought it was a fine spot.
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Some people said, what are you doing, idiot? You should
be taking a quarterback or running back. So I'm curious
as to where you stand on like the first round
receiver in this format. So I I don't love the
first round receiver in this format. The way that my
draft went, I I was at the one oh four.
It went McCaffrey, Barkley, Lamar, Mahomes, Zeke, Michael Thomas, which
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I think is probably how most of those drafts started.
What were your were either Mahomes or Lamar on board
for you there at one oh six? No, the draft
board went McCaffrey, Barkley, Mahomes, Jackson, Zeke. So my choices
were Kelsey, Kittle, Michael Thomas, Camara, Derrick Henry was basically
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my player pool, and I just was like, whatever, Michael Thomas,
it's it's a league that rewards first downs. In terms
of first downs, you know, an efficiency from receivers. He's
so much better than everyone else. Let's take him and
and see where we go from there. And my draft
kind of shaped itself from there. As we move on,
we can talk about what I did the first three
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rounds that I ended up loving that it seemed like
no one else in their right mind was doing in
this format. So where where you picked, I think I
probably would have took Travis Kelsey because of the you know,
the absurd bonuses for tight ends. The problem you have
when you start without a quarterback or running back, though,
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is they're gonna be guys at wide receiver you like
in round five and you're gonna feel like you can't
take them, you know. And if you start with the
tight end, you know there's gonna be There were tight
ends that I took in rounds eight or nine that
I really like that I obviously probably would have wanted
to skip, you know, if if I had taken uh,
you know, if I had taken Travis Kelsey at the
one of four. So what did you do with your
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first three picks? So I was talking, you know, best
available or thinking best available for this entire draft, and
the first three rounds, it just so happened everyone else
was focused on quarterbacks and running backs. Like you look
at the back end of the first round, the you know,
the first half of the second round, Delvin Cook, Derrick Henry,
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Joe mix and Russell will Uson, Nick Chubb, Miles Sanders,
Drew Brees, Austin Ekeler, Dak Prescott where some of the
picks before me. So Davante Adams was still on the board.
Round two, I figure, I already took the wide receiver.
What the hell, let's keep going with that trend. Took
him as the wide receiver too. And then at my
third pick, the only other receiver who had gone was
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Tyreek Hill, So I went DeAndre Hopkins. So I started
an actual fantasy football draft with Michael Thomas, Davante Adams,
DeAndre Hopkins. I know the scoring is not perfect for
such a setup, and somehow, some way, I still came
away feeling like, Wow, that's unique. And while I actually
really like that, I think I can figure out my
other positions. Yeah, I definitely think that is a unique
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start to a draft, and that's you know, that's part
of what you want to be focusing on. There are
I think and forty teams in the scott Fish Bowl.
Really all we care about is making the you know,
having the best of those teams. So being unique as
a big part of that. You know, you're not gonna
want to have rosters that are really similar to some
of those other teams that are gonna be there in
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the final And you know it's starting three wide receivers
basically frees you up to I think comfortable you could
probably not take another wide receiver into like the tenth
round when you start that way. So I don't hate
that as a building block. You know what my question is,
when you were sitting there looking at DeAndre Hopkins, you
know what quarterbacks were there available for you? Could you
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have taken uh, you know, someone like Matt Ryan when
when DeAndre Hopkins was there, Yes, so the quarterbacks available
at that time, there were the next three to go
Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford. I just wasn't that
excited about reaching on Matt Ryan in the third round.
I know he's an ample quarterback in this format, but
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I figured, instead of reaching on him, why not just
just continue with this wide receiver approach and just take
what's given to me a quarterback. At this point, I'm
playing from behind anyways, so I might as well just
fully commit to my strategy, was the way that I thought.
So we started, uh in terms of positions pretty different.
I took Patrick Mahomes at the one oh four, and
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then I had a huge debate with myself. At the
two oh nine. My plan was to take Miles Sanders.
That was my my top guy that I wanted to
take at the two o nine. One Overall, he goes
off the board the pick before me, so I had
a I had a key decision there. I could take
Tyreek Hill to complete the stack with Patrick Mahomes, which
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is something I thought was super important in this format.
You know, I think basically adding both of the quarterbacks
you plan on starting on a weekly basis with a
stack was, you know, one of the best ways to
approach this from a structural drafting perspective. But I also
thought for those who you know, are not uniquely familiar
with the scoring format, there are huge negatives for quarterbacks.
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It's mark, it's minus four points for an interception, uh,
minus one point for a sack, minus half a point
for an incompletion UH. And then you get a half
a point for completions as well. So I the you know,
for me, the gaps between like the top five quarterbacks
and the you know, like quarterback twelve through eighteen. I
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thought what was massive in this? So I ended up
taking Kyler Murray. I I think Ricky though even that
being said, I do think it was a mistake because
I think Kyler might have been there for me at
overall at the three or four I'm sitting here looking
at my draft board in pretty much still regretting taking
Kyler over Tyreek Hill. Yeah. I thought I had a
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chance for Kyler Murray in the third round, and he
went to pick after me. I actually was waiting on
Dak Prescott round two. That's why I wanted over Davante Adams,
and he went with that next pick. Because I had
the similar thinking to you that there were like five
guys that I really wanted a quarterback, which were Mahomes,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, and Dak Prescott. With
the guys as I saw as that top tier, and
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then I would have liked Brady as a guy. But
I felt pretty good about the you know, the lack
of sacks and the completions and just a guy who
I thought was gonna be a good value. And by
the time I was getting ready to select them, they
were gone. So, you know, talking about Kyler Murray for you,
I'm not sold he would have lasted at least in
my draft, qbs flew off the board. I mean at
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the end of round three, twelve qbs, I'm sorry, at
the end of round four, twelve qbs have been taken. Uh.
The end of round three, we were already at eight quarterbacks,
so it was definitely different from your average like one
quarterback seasonal league. And by then again it was like, well,
I want to solidify my other positions and I'm just
gonna see you what's available. And a few times I
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felt like, you know, I could have gone for a
quarterback and I just went someone else and we could
talk about what I did at quarterback. I was happy
to have Daniel Jones at QB twenty, but I don't
think he's perfect for this format, which is why I
went ahead and took a different quarterback in Round eleven.
Is my third quarter act to kind of solidify that.
I would feel good about having two guys to start
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down the stretch. So I don't think you should regret it.
I think your start is unique in its own right.
And you did find some pass catchers to pair with
these guys, which I was unable to do because they
kept going right before me. This draft was just frustrating
from a Q perspective, where you had a guy teed
up and then it just seemed like the two guys
surrounded me. One of them was at DLF football, so
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you know that the Dynasty League guys were on their stuff.
I just couldn't get anything past him for freaking one pick.
My draft was pretty interesting in terms of the quarterbacks.
So Dak went ninth overall, Drew Brees went sixteenth overall,
Russell Wilson went nineteenth overall. I took Kyler DeShawn went
twenty four overall, Josh Allen at thirty one, Matt Ryan
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at thirty second, Aaron Rodgers thirty six, Matt Stafford thirty eight,
and then there was a little bit of a break
before Brady went at forty four. I felt like the
way my room treated quarterbacks was basically, after they took
their first one, a lot of guys kind of waited
on their second quarterback, which, um, well, I I guess
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this is kind of overall a point about just drafting
with different rules and scoring settings, like it's very important
to know the way in which scoring settings are going
to impact how you should draft. Um. I I think
people the way they took the scoring rules was kind
of um. I think people actually made a tactical mistake
where they were assuming that because the quarterbacks were gonna
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have a lot of negative weeks, that there wouldn't be
much of a difference between you know, like let's say,
let's say Daniel Jones and Drew Lock or whatever because
of the negative scoring. And I think a lot of
teams are going to have set themselves up to, you know,
basically not be starting quarterbacks in that super flex position.
And uh, you know, I I gotta say, I think
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that's a mistake. I think the optimal strategy really was
if possible, um to get two of the stud quarterbacks.
Just what I ended up doing, though, I think if
you didn't get one, it kind of made sense to
load up elsewhere and then just gamble and kind of
do what you did by taking the third quarterback early. Yeah,
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and can we just stop for a second and acknowledge
that I think Josh Allen was the most overdrafted player
in this format. I don't see much difference in this
format between Josh Allen and Daniel Jones, and there was
a six quarterback difference and where they were drafted in
my league. I mean, Josh Allen, you talk about like
completion percentage. This is the guy that's been under six
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each season. His first year, he was at fifty three,
and sure it's shot up, I mean exactly six percentage
point improvement last year. But I view this guy as
a legitimate threat to tank some of your weeks, and
so I didn't understand why he was going so much
higher than Jones. Maybe you can enlighten me, but I
thought he was the single worst pick in many drafts. Yeah,
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I agree, and we can discuss that when we get
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Hour on Sports Grade TV. I'm Davis Mannock, going today
by Ricky Sanders. We are breaking down our Scott Fish
Bowl fantasy football teams that we just wrapped up drafting,
kind of using them to overall think about, you know,
tournament philosophy. You know a lot of us are playing
in these high stakes fantasy football leagues. I think this
is a really good warm up. Four were those formats? So, Ricky,
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you started with three wide receivers? What did you What
did you do after you started with Michael Thomas, Davante Adams,
and DeAndre Hopkins. I felt like I had to get
a running back, knowing the format, and I wanted a
guy who I felt good being the guy, and James
Conner happened to fall to RB twenty, which was a
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spot I was completely comfortable with him. In fact, I'm
pretty sure I would have been taking him at RB
six team, so the fact that he was still there
at RB twenty was great, especially after hearing Mike Tomlins
say that he's the guy. As long as he's healthy,
I think there's gonna be a full workload available for him.
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I really liked that Steeler's offense. I wanted to get
pieces of it, and I already had receivers, so it
didn't really make too much sense for me to go
with Juju at that point, so I went James Conner
and then I went cam Akers, so I view as
one of the highest upside backs. I was gonna be
choosing between Chris Carson and cam Akers had it fallen
that way, and Carson went to pick before which made
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it easy. But to me, cam Akers is a clear
guy in the middle rounds that could single handedly win
you these leagues, like if the team, if the Rams
commit to him as the guy, he has fresh legs,
it's pretty clear the team was not interested in getting
a full workload to guys like Darrell Henderson and Malcolm Brown.
So if all of a sudden, you have a you know, uh,
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the back in a Scott McVeigh are McVeigh offense, I
think it's it's really meaningful. I mean, we've seen Todd
Gurley have some massive seasons that I'm not ready to
call cam Akers Todd Gurley, but you look at the
college tape of Acres and he's explosive, he could break tackles,
and I just think there's, you know, double digit to
touchdown upside. There's a thousand plus yard upside here. Cam Akers,
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to me, I viewed as one of those guys who
could just be viewed as a pure upside play, and
in a league with over four hundred teams, I wanted
to be on those guys where I saw the clear ceiling.
I wasn't really concerned about floor. Give me cam Akers,
who could clearly be a first round running back in
two thousand one if all everything goes well. So I'm
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I'm pretty jealous of the picks you made because I
really wanted James Conner with my selection in the fourth
round and actually Funnily enough, in my draft, the guy
who selected at forty, which is would have been where
you selected coming from the one oh six at the
four oh four, James Conner went at the exact same
slot in my draft. That was who I was hoping
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to take with my fourth round pick if I wasn't
able to get James Conner, that I wanted to say
d J. Moore. He went the pick immediately after James Conner,
and so then I was sitting there and uh I
I was like, well, you know, I I do. I
have DeAndre Hopkins who I have matched with, and you know,
Tyre it kills off the board, So I just I'm
gonna take the guy that I like the best who's left.
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So I took Juju smith Schuster, who I think, you know,
obviously would have been in play where you selected had
you not started with four straight wide receivers. I feel
very similarly about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, basically last
year was kind of the bottom one percent outcome for them.
Ben Roethlisberger plays only five quarters of football. Everyone's hurt,
you know, Smith Schuster's hurt, and Connor's hurt, and the
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line doesn't play that well, Mason Rudolph is terrible, then
he gets hurt. Then Duck Hodges is even worse than
Rudolph comes back. Then Juju Smith Schuster gets hurt. Like
it just it was such a chaotic nightmare that I
am not really taking much out of what happened to
the Pittsburgh Steelers last year. So I felt pretty good
about that. I think Connor is clearly the better selection, though,
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as we will see as my draft continues, I am
very light at the running back position, so I think
you have to feel very good and then um, Similarly,
I also really wanted cam Akers. I thought maybe I
could wait a little bit on Acres, but he ended
up going super early relative to what I thought in
my draft because and they're picking at the five oh four,
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so my fifth selection, and and uh, I kind of
had that pick bookmark for cam Akers, but there was
no way in my mind that I could take Acres
over a J. Brown, who I just you know again,
I think is kind of a a league winning stud
feels like though, and I like Acres too, by the way,
I just I thought there was certainly a much greater
chance that Acres would be there for me at the
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six O nine than you know, than A J. Brown
being there. How do you feel about about that decision?
A J. Brown over cam Akers? So I had the
same decision actually, and I went Acres, but that was
only because of my wide receivers start Um. If I
went that route, I was banking on David Montgomery, my guy,
being available at the next pick, and I'm glad I
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didn't go that route because Montgomery did not make it
to that to that next pick. So it was a
little bit about roster construction. A J. Brown was like
historically efficient last year, so you're really banking on something
similar to continue or potentially a higher volume headed his
way because of it. I think A J. Brown a
great selection in the fifth round, and it just kind
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of depended on what position you needed. I don't really
have a strong preference one way or the other. Because
of the scoring, and because I I felt like I
needed two backs that I that I felt good about,
I went the cam Akers route. You know, will A J.
Brown produced more fantasy points in this format that remains
to be seen. I think he's the likely favorite there, um,
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But because I needed the backs, I went that route.
I think you could have gone either way. I think
if I were you, I would have chanced it the
way you did. But for me, Acres made sense, So
I thought, I don't need to middle and go wishy washy.
But I think it kind of comes down to positions
at that point. Yeah, I I I definitely, um, I
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definitely think that's true. I mean I I wanted James Connor,
I wanted Cam Akers. Those guys were kind of on
my target list as the guys who have running back
one upside, I'll probably be able to start them week one. Well,
in terms of Connor, you definitely will be able to Acres.
You know, it's a little bit undetermined, you know, how
they decide to dole out that playing time in week one.
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But you know, in between my fifth and sixth pick,
Jonathan Taylor went, David Johnson went, Levian Bell went, DeAndre
Swift went, Cam Akers went, David Montgomery went, Damian Williams went,
and Melvin Gordon went. So like the running back queue
in between my fifth and sixth pick just got at,
like just destroyed. Like it would have been where when
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I went to go pick at the six o nine
if I wanted to take a running back, it would
have been someone like Devin Singletary or mark Ingram. So
I just, you know, I just I just took another
wide receiver and I took DJ Shark at the at
the six o nine, which, uh, you know, I feel
I I feel pretty decent about selecting a Shark there.
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I like Shark. But with your team, I gotta ask,
was David Montgomery is still available? I know you're not
a huge fan of his, but that volume he had
he had just went and I actually think, and I'm
not a David Montgomery guy at all, but I actually
think I probably would have taken him there. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think there are too many like David Montgomery
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guys that are saying he's a great football player. But
because of the coaching staff saying that they're going to
commit more to him after two forty caries last year,
I think you just have to see that the volume
is gonna be there enough that in a format like
this with first downs, uh, in a format like this
where you you know a lot of people are are
waiting on their second or third running back, and just
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a guy you can get in the middle rounds that
should should keep you afloat. I think David Montgomery makes
a lot of sense as RB two for a lot
of teams. So I don't think you have to be
a David Montgomery guy to select David Montgomery. Yeah, so
what direction did you go after you took Acres and Connor?
So then I felt it was time for me to
get quarterbacks right, and after I took Acres there was
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a bit of a quarterback run which tilted me quite
a lot. Um Teddy Bridgewater was definitely. I had my
eye on Baker Mayfield was a guy had my eye
on Jimmy Garoppolo. I would have taken. Those were three
of the four that went in that ring that next
range before my pick. Cam Newton was there too, So
how would you have ranked these four quarterbacks? Because they
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were the next four to go? Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow,
Ben Roethlisberger, Jared Goff. I had the first selection of
that grouping of four, and I felt like the upside
of Daniel Jones, if he could approve upon his accuracy,
was the best of the bunch. We talked about the
fact that we thought he has, you know, forty plus
yard upside, thirty plus touchdown upside for sure. Roethlisberger I
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don't know if he was safer, but I think he
was the most stable of the bunch. But I went
Daniel Jones there, and then a few quarterbacks went and
then I took the second quarterback in that bunch. So
how do you rate that foursome Jones, Burrow, Roethlisberger, Golf.
It would have been Roethlisberger, Goff, Jones, Borough, Roethlisberger, Goff, Jones,
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Burrow would have been the order that I would have
taken them, especially because you gain a know, there's like
a little bit of stack equity there for you with
Roethlisberger and James Conner, though there is stack equity that
can be built in later with Daniel Jones because his
wide receivers go a little bit later. I I am
of the opinion that definitely Jones is one of those
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guys who's hurt by this scoring format, but also like
he's gonna have four yard, four touchdown weeks just by
the nature of you know that that defense sucks, They're
gonna be down in a lot of games, and that's
going to be pretty optimal for his fantasy scoring. Yeah,
he was a guy I felt like I needed a
third quarterback I could rely on if I'm taking him,
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but there's also a scenario in which he just pans
out and is good. I think, in hindsight, I kind
of agree with you that Ben Roethlisberger, James Conner, you know,
duo would have been nice and knowing how many passes
Connor takes, and in hindsight missing on Sterling Shepherd because
he goes a pick in front of me. Uh, that
one really hurt with Daniel Jones because I had him
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penciled in on my team. So yeah, I mean I
think Roethlisberger would have been a good fit. I went
Jones first of the bunch. The next two quarterbacks were
Burrow and Roethlisberger. So in round six and seven, I
ended up Daniel Jones and Jared Goff is my starting quarterbacks. Um. Yeah,
And and so when you took golf, was Robert Woods
already off the board. Yeah, so right before that pick,
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Woods and Cup went back to back hilariously, Yeah, so
would again I am. I'm I'm focusing pretty heavy on
the stack up side there and uh, which we're gonna
is going to come into play As we talked about
my draft, Um, a little bit later, I got I
got robbed on some stack equity with mcole Hardman going
really early, so I get to I get to pick
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seventy six, the fourth pick of the seventh round. Mark
Ingram goes, Devin Singletary goes, Kareem Hunt goes in between
my six and seventh round pick. So I just, I
is like, you know what, I just I don't want
to tempt fate that hard at the running back position,
and I took JK. Dobbins at pick seventy overall, I honestly,
I'm not a huge fan of it. You know, I
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think there is a good chance that Dobbins ends up
being very similar to Darrell Henderson last year. But second
run pick one of the most efficient rushing teams in
the NFL, make me feel better about this pick. Ricky Well,
I think if you're going, you know, shooting for the ceiling,
all you need is a mark Ingram injury, and all
of a sudden you've got a true RB one at
this point, which is what you're playing for, right because
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you're setting the base at all the other positions, and
you've got it clearly. A guy who lands on an
elite rushing team, a guy who when he gets the ball,
should be efficient. A guy who's who should already have
a role to start the season. You assume they took
him because they wanted to take, you know, those other
secondary backs out of the rotation. So from a upside perspective,
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I get it. I would have liked to have a
more stable RB one, It's all I can say. But
you know, if everything goes for you, your team could
be very dangerous. And it's not like marketing River was
a young I mean, we're talking about over a thirty
year old back here. So once guys get that old
that usually either run hotest theme or hit those injury issues.
It's tough to take NFL hits for that long without it.
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U So I don't hate it. I think it's just
about the best you could do there, especially if like
Singletary was gone, Like what else are you gonna do? Yep,
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Sportscreen get Hello everyone, and welcome back to the daily
Road to Hour here on Sports Crede TV. I'm Davis Maddock,
joined by Ricky Sanders as we continue going through our
scott Fish Bowl Tournament draft teams. You know, kind of
using this to overall talk about fantasy football strategy and
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player evaluation. So, Ricky, we are sitting here looking at
kind of we we have the nucleus of our teams built.
We we've gone through six selections. Uh, you just took
your first two quarterbacks. You're sitting there about ready to
make your your eighth round selection. What are you What
are you thinking with when you're sitting there on the clock. Oh,
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there's only one name I'm thinking at that point. That
is Mike KISSICKI who I've been waiting for the entire draft,
and I was not willing to tempt fate. I took
Kisicky at tight end eight in round eight, and I
was completely happy with it. Davis, what if I told
you there's a tight end available in round eight of
your drafts? That over the course of his final six games,
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average seven point seven targets per games, scored five touchdowns.
Uh for talking draft kings Fantasy points per game about
thirteen and a half during that span, which anyone who was,
you know, playing daily fantasy last year, regardless of side,
even on FanDuel, you know, it was tough to get
double digit fantasy points from tight ends for an extended stretch,
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especially after Darren Waller started to slow down. So all
of a sudden, we had a guy that was basically
a tight end one with all the talent in the world,
with a new quarterback in town whose uh specialty is efficiency.
I just think there's so many things going for Mike Gisiki.
Everyone knows that I love him, but it's interesting to
see now and I love it. The entire industry is
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starting to come around. Maybe I was a year early
on him, but I would rather be a year early
on Giziki than a year too late, because I think
this guy is going to be excellent. So I actually
had a very similar decision. I already had two quarterbacks,
I had running back. I was very comfortable at wide receiver,
you know, the wide receivers on the board, where I
was picking in the eighth round. Were would have been
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guys who wouldn't have even been locks to start for me.
Davante Parker, Marquis Brown, Michael Gallup, none of them closed
stacks for me. I like those guys, but I in
the eighth round, Tyler Higbee was there. I've yet to
take Tyler Higby in a draft yet this year, but
I think in specifically this format, where you know there's
no there, winning your twelve team league does not do
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anything for you, even in the even in the f
f PC, and you know the high stakes leagues, winning
your league still gets you some prize money. You you
double your prize money if you win your league. You're
able to get your entry feedback if you make the
playoffs in your league. So there's still some reason. But
we truly only care about getting first here. So I
took Tyler Higby over Mike Gasicky, thinking that I would
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be able to get Gassicky as a flex starter coming
back around in the ninth round at pick one hundred.
That's not what ended up happening. I took Hib at
ninety three. GASSICKI goes at nineties six overall to the
guy who was drafting on the turn I I really
wanted get Sicky. I I agree with you know, basically
everything you have to say about him being a guy
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who's gonna play a ton. You know, he led all
tight ends in slot snaps last year, played more slot
snaps than Travis Kelsey than George Kittle. Like he really
was just a wide receiver for the Dolphins. So I
took Higby. And actually, it's funny. I'm sitting here looking
at the my Fantasy League page and this was the
pick I spent the longest on the clock for, uh,
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like when I knew I was on clock because I
was sitting there Ricky like googling like Tyler Higby Google
news alerts to see like had Sean McVeigh said anything
about him, Like has he been like, oh, we're gonna
feature Tyler Higby, Like trying to trying to uncover something
that made me feel better. It was an uncharacteristic pick
for me, taking Higby over Gisicky. How do you feel
about that decision? Well, I had the same decision, and
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I had Jared Goff and I just couldn't do it
because I viewed his Siggy as just an up and
coming monster. Look, I think Higbee there are multiple things
that could go wrong here. I think cam Acres could
be a guy that helps them go more run heavy.
I mean last year Todd Gurley was a shell of
his former self, so the team didn't have too much
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motivation to go, you know, as an extremely run heavy offense.
I mean you look at the receiving poor. You lose
Brandon Hooks, so that gives them another reason to go
that route. And you know, I think Gerald Everett could
factor in. Van Jefferson could factor into some of those
short snaps as they draft him in the second round.
So there were just too many things that made me,
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you know, second guest Higbee. I would have preferred him
as a second tight end. Uh So I don't love
it as I'm sure you expected, as you know, as
this decision of passing on getsicky for just about anyone.
I will acknowledge, though I would have taken Higbee as
my second tight end if he fell. I wanted hated
Hurst as my second tight end. There were two guys
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on it before my ninth round pick, that was Hayden
Hurst and Marquis Brown. They both end up going within
like four picks of my pick, So I went to
Noah Fan as my tight end too. Wow, we we
each took the same tight end two in the ninth round. Yeah,
so my draft ends up going three receivers, two backs,
two quarterbacks, two tight ends. Very uniform drafting from Team
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Sanders over here. Yeah, so I thought I thought Fan
was a pretty clear value. So the first thing to
know about rookie tight ends is they basically never produced,
like like, they never get on the field, They're never
part of their team's offenses. That is not what happened
with Noah fant Um. He ended up being second on
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his team as a rookie in targets, was targeted more
than day Shawn Hamilton's, more than Manny Sanders, more than
Tim Patrick. Uh, you know, basically was kind of the
starting tight end right away for the Denver Broncos from
day one, which really and and by the way, he
did not play in a pro style offense in college.
He played Iowa with fellow first round pick t J.
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Hockenson and actually outproduced t J. Hockinson, which it seems
that no one really ever wants to talk about. But
to me, Fan just profiles, as you know, a Jimmy
Graham type. He's not gonna be asked to block a Ton,
He's just gonna be a stone cold pass catcher. I
think Denver has signaled that they they want to try
and be all in on Drew Lock. They want to
try and throw the ball six hundred times. Like, yeah,
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they signed Melvin Gordon. Yeah, They've been this really ground
like basically ever since the Peyton Manning brock Os Wilder
platoon season, they've been one of the most run heavy
teams in football. But I think that, you know, with
this Drew Lock pick, they think he's good enough to
try and go for it. So and by the way,
I think Fan out targets Jerry Judy, kJ Hammler and
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Albert Oh, you know, maybe maybe even combined this year.
Like I think he does get to a hundred plus
targets this season. And you know, this format rewards one
point five PPR four tight ends one point five points
per first down, So like five for fifty with three
first downs for a tight end is like an absurd
game like that, Like that is like a crazy good game.
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And you know, Fan, even if he doesn't have a
crazy breakout year, I think he can still score, you know,
a hundred seventy five points or so in this format. Yeah,
I mean we're talking guys in the eighth and ninth
round at tight end. How many of these guys do
you envision having the potential to have a top five
tight end season. The guys to me are Gisicky, I
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guess Higbee probably is in that tier, Hayden Hurst and
Noah Fant and I'm not sure there's anyone else that
I'm overly excited about. I'm not there with Groundkowski. I
don't know how you feel about it. I think there's
a lot of weapons on that team. There's an aging
Tom Brady, and I don't even think I'm there with
Hunter Henry. I think he's fine. I just I don't
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love the fact that he's got Tyrod, Taylor and Justin Herbert.
I guess you know, ty Rods had a good season
with Charles Clay not not a crazy upside season, but
you know, usable tight end, I think it's really only
those four guys this late, so you know you want
to finish first in your division. I think the Gickis
and the fans are the are the types of guys
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you want to be drafting. I I definitely. I definitely
agree with you, and my room went ham on tight
ends in between these picks taking UH took Jack Doyle,
Hayden Hurst and UH Dallas Goddard, Rob Gronkowski, Austin Hooper,
T J. Howkins, and Chris Herndon all before all went
off the board in the next twenty picks. But I
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I had my my soul absolutely ripped out from me
in between pick my ninth pick and my tenth pick,
because I needed McCole Hardman, right, I needed McCole Hardman
to close the loop with the Patrick Mahomes stack and UH,
and these are these were all dudes I had in
my que who went in between picks nine and ten.
Ronald Jones Goes, love love Ronald Jones. Christian Kirk Goes
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had him in the queue obviously, would have loved to
have paired him with Uh, Kyler Murray to get the
double stack. Then you know, once those guys go, then
I'm I'm looking at Okay Well Fuller, you know, great
super high upside guy. Definitely want him in tournaments. He
goes Hardman goes like it just it was. It was brutal.
So I end up taking a guy I don't even
really like, but know that my team kind of needed
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someone like this, So I take Tarry Cohen with my
tenth round selection A hundred and seventeen overall, I mean,
really a pretty boring pick. Tarry Cohen is really just
kind of like fancy James White, but should be able
to start in week one while I wait for some
of my other breakout guys. You're you're a Bears, dude,
give me, give me the low down on Tarry Cohen.
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I think Cohen is a fine pick. I think because
you know you're going for the zero RB guys, you
gotta hold down the fort. I think Terry con is
the perfect guy for that scenario, so I'm not gonna
hate on you for that pick. I don't think Tarik
Cohn's singlehandedly winning you anything, um, so I'm I'm cool
with it. I think he clearly has a role in
that Naggie short passing game system. You're gonna get a
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toy of targets from him. I think I screwed up
in my tenth round. Will Fullard and Michael Gallup were
both available, and I took Gallop, and I think I
regret that. I think if I did it, over again,
I would have gone will Fuller. Now I think that's fine.
Gallop is Gallop is such a stud. Gallop Gallop actually
in because he missed two games, but he actually had
a higher target share than a Marii Cooper over the
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course of the season. Yeah, I mean, I'm fine with Gallop.
Darry Slayton. By the way it goes before I could select,
so I couldn't do the stack there, although I was
targeting Sterling Shepherd. Anyways, Uh, this was the part of
the draft where I was just like, I don't know,
I'll figure it out when I get there. And I
didn't have a strategy anymore because I had drafted the positions,
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you know, the way they went basically one after the other.
But yeah, this is the first, the first part of
the draft that I started second guessing myself. So as
long as you're okay with that, I feel better. Pick
eleven is where the controversy came in. Basically, anyone I
talked to was not a huge fan the way I
was a fan of selecting ta Um, So I I
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get the strategy right of being like, well, I don't
have one of the five best quarterbacks in fantasy, so
I'm probably gonna want to play the matchups a little bit.
I'm probably gonna want the ceiling a little bit, right, Like,
I I get that. But you know, obviously at pick eleven,
you passed up on some like guys who are still
really good picks in fantasy this year, like guys who
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like running backs, wide receivers, like I imagine you took
to uh before t J. Hockinson went No, Hockinson was
already off the board. Okay, that's interesting. I would have
taken a third tight end before a third quarterback in
this format. So accuracy was the name of the game here, right,
I mean, if Drew Brees is a first rounder in
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leagues who projects more like Drew Brees, we're talking about,
you know, basically a seventy percent completion guy in college.
So I'm shooting for the ceiling here with tah and
I'm going for the pair with Mike Kisiki. And I'm
not sure how I feel about Daniel Jones or Jared Goff.
I made the arguments why that team could be a
run heavy league or team, and Daniel Jones not incredibly accurate.
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I just felt like two of because of this scoring
format has the potential to dominate and be a true
QB one. Yeah all right everyone, We're going to head
into our final break here on the Daily Road to Hour.
We will close out Ricky and I's teams when we
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to Hour on sports Grid TV. I'm David's Mannock joined
by Ricky Sanders as we breakdown our scott Fish Bowl teams.
Rick I, I go, I can't give you two heart
of a time for making a mistake with your eleventh
round pick because I made uh one of the worst
picks of the draft. Uh so I get sniped on
McCole hardman. I'm on, like, Phil, hell you youth level
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till in our on loop chat on Twitter. You know,
I'm like, I'm like braiding the guys in my league. Like,
how can you take Micole Hardman there? You don't even
have Mahomes Like, I'm so mad, and uh I took
Sammy Watkins in the eleventh round. Overall, it was the
It was the second earliest that anyone took him in
the entire Scott Fish Bawl no one, Like, only one
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person took Sammy Watkins earlier than I took him. So
why are we back on Sammy Watkins after the final
fifteen weeks of last year? Like what gives you a
good feeling other than Patrick Mahomes throwing him in the
football of an entire season that you could feel like
an eleventh round Sammy Watkins was even in considering I
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guess you're going for the stack here. I get that
that part of it. But man, Sammy Watkins was brutal.
So this is the this is my only this is
truly my only defense. He's still gonna be a starter
for that team. Last year in all of his healthy games,
so he missed two games with injury and left the
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Indianapolis Colts game in the first series of injury. He
played over six of the snaps in every game. He
played over of the snaps in six of the fourteen
games that he played, uh, you know, and and in
the postseason he played eight seven eighty two and eighty
seven percent of the offensive snaps. Uh, and you know,
basically he's still a starter. Now. I think Hardman probably
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is going to be way more efficient than him. But
in Week one, who do I think will get more targets,
Watkins or Hardman? I think it will probably be Watkins.
And that that was enough at that at that point
in the draft, that was basically enough for me. Was
like I I just I gotta it. I have to write,
I gotta close the stack. I've been on Twitter and
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on podcast telling everyone like you you gotta you gotta stack,
and uh, and that's what I did. It was not
a good pick, um, it was not a good value selection,
but I did it anyway. But by the way, kind
of off topic here, but doesn't it suck to be
the nice guy in these leagues who picks in a
timely fashion because in the middle of my draft, and
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it seems like in the middle of every slow draft
that I do, some news happens. And because I pick
usually in like five to ten minutes from me seeing it,
I never milked the clock. But that raheem mostirt news
came out in my league like a few picks after
me because I had been the respectful guy and picked.
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And then of course Joe Schmo sitting there on the clock,
gets the raheem mostirt news because he's three hours into
his clock, just you know, at night, by the way,
it wasn't like we're talking, you know, work day. Uh.
And he ends up with Tevin Coleman, who might be
a starting running back. Just in these leagues, it always
ends up that nice guys finished last in my in
my experience, I just wanted to throw that out there.
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Uh yeah, that uh that that definitely is true. However,
my next four picks were script perfect. This was how
I I wrote up my draft because you know, obviously
at this point we're through eleven picks, I have only
two running backs. Uh, So picks twelve through sixteen, I
took Boston Scott, I took Tony Pollard, I took Chase Edmonds,
and I took Darrenton Evans. So that was basically the
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four guys that I think are the best zero running
back candidates outside of uh, Latavious Murray was one that
I missed in there, and Antonio Gibson was another. But
those are those were all zero running back guys that
I am that I am super into. So I felt
really good about that. Yeah, that's well done. During that stretch.
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What round did you get darrented by the way, because
I got him a round sixteen, I wasn't sure if
that was early. Uh No, I took him in. I
took him in the sixteenth as well. Okay, I was
between him and Labiscus Nult. I don't know how I
feel about the way I went there. Probably should have
gone Chenalt. But you know, after round eleven, I started
getting talky. I felt good about two, a way better
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than like the people on Twitter felt about it. And
I felt like I had built a solid base. And
I thought Sterling Shepherd was gonna fall to me round thirteen,
he was gonna fall right into my lap. I thought
Alexander Madison was gonna follow me. Round twelve, Madison goes
RB forty two. I had the next pick. I went
Matt Brita instead of going Sterling Shepherd to load up
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on the freaking dolphins. I end up with my third dolphin,
thinking that Sterling Shepherd's my next guy, and he goes.
So basically I am stackless. I missed on those receivers
for the rams. I missed now on all the guys here.
I think Golden Tate was even gone by then, so
I just had no one to take on the giants. Uh,
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And I was on full tilt at that point. So
I took Brashod Pearriman, Jay Sternberger, Antonio Brown's, Darrenton Evans,
those next you know war rounds. So I thought, yeah,
I thought, I thought A B was very good in
this format, and um so Antonio Brown in my draft
went uh. He went really early. He went at the
twelve oh four, So before I even started my zero
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running back run, I probably would have I thought round
and was great value for him. Yeah, me too. I
just wish I went Lavishka Senov. I felt felt like
I needed another really usual player most weeks, and Evans
could give me the potential to be that you know,
home run guy any given week, and he could be
the guy if there's no Henry. But I think Chanel
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was my guy there. Yeah, so I agreed, Chanel great
pick I took. So this is, by the way, Ricky,
why I think too Uh was so bad is I
took Justin Herbert as my third quarterback at pickin and
that was kind of my plan the whole time, was
to end up taking Herbert as my third quarterback. And uh,
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you know, I gotta say, I just think, uh, it
was a much h my uch more cost conscientious decision
than taking two in the eleventh. Yeah, but there's not
the same reward here, man, I mean that that is true. Yeah,
way less ceiling there, exactly. I think they're more comfortable
with Tyrod being the guy for most of the year
and Herbert being a project quarterback and to a skill
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set is so much better suited for this format. Look
to have played with excellent, excellent talent all around him.
But I think accuracy is going to be in his
game regardless. So if you can get a QB two
who's giving you sixty five to sixty six percent completion
and then he can figure out, you know, uh, to
get the ball to Mike Kisiki in the end zone,
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all of a sudden toa could be just a massive pick.
You know, even if he starts eight games down the
stretch of SFB, he could be a guy that I'm
just like screw Daniel Jones I've got two and now,
and I've made the playoffs last year with three quarterbacks
and having one. I think it was Ben Roethlisberger go down,
So I just felt like I wanted that third quarterback,
especially having waited so long. Yeah, I mean it's fine.
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I also took Chanelt in mine. I took Channel at
uh the one dred and ninety six pick seventeen oh four.
I do. I I kind of feel like Channel is
basically kind of has a chance to be one of
the all time values if he is both the starting
outside wide receiver opposite of DJ Shark d D Westbrook
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in the slot, and that also gets some goal line carries.
You know. I think like like a like a fifty
carry and a d target season is totally in play
for Chanel. Yeah, I should clarify. I went Darrington Evans
over Chanlt and then tilted that. Like I mentioned, this
back end of my draft was just untill second guessing myself. Yeah. Yeah,
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I mean it's uh that that and that is uh,
you know, that's kind of the gift. So some of
the last picks, Uh, this is how I rounded mine out.
I took Eno Benjamin Uh. I probably early relative to
what his a DP was. But I took him to
you know, had another Arizona guy and you know, again,
if something happens to Kennyan Drake, I think Eno and
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Edmunds probably end up in some kind of time share.
I took Andy Isabella. Absolutely can't quit. A guy like
Isabella four point three one speed A second round selection.
When he played last year for the Cardinals, he was good.
He had that eighty nine yard touchdown against the San
Francisco forty niners on Thursday night. I I think the
light is still on for Isabella. Some of the guys
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I I missed that I wanted in here. I wanted
Jalen Heard. He went in between my selections. I liked
Jeff Wilson. He was another guy who went. Lynn Bowden
another guy I would have liked later on Brian Hill
basically as the handcuff to the arthritic need Todd Gurley.
Now they might Now it's something I haven't heard people
talk about, is they could resigned Vonta Freeman. There's no
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reason they can't re signed Vonta Freeman to a veteran
minimum contract that obviously would put Brian Hill in a
tough spot. And then I rounded out my draft with
two Chiefs to Arcas Robinson and Ricky Seals. Jones. Uh wanted,
of course, the the screenshot equity of of just knowing
that I have more Chiefs and that I can point
to those guys as the stack. But obviously, if Watkins
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and Kelsey get hurt, there's gonna be a role for
those guys. And we we start eleven players, so there
are some weeks we're just having a guy who's active
and on the field. With Patrick mahomes is is gonna
end up mattering. So that's how That's how I rounded
up my draft. Mine wasn't too dissimilar. You know, Benjamin
Andy Isabella are on my team. Myles Boykin was a
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guy who I thought had a shot to you know,
excel in this offense. Anyone with Lamar Jackson has a
chance at big play potential, which I feel like he
does Edo Smith, which I was kind of on tilt
because Jeff Wilson went to pick before, so whatever. And
then speaking of screenshot equity, I had to get my
stack save it for the last round. I might be
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the only team with the Jared Goff Van Jefferson stack,
but what the hell and we love Van Jefferson. Dude, No,
I actually don't. But I was just so pissed that
I got like nothing, I got, you know, Golf with
his running back. I don't have any receivers for Daniel Jones.
I need the damn pass catcher for one of my guys.
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So that was the only pass catcher that I've viewed
as viable available for any of my quarterbacks. So what
the hell, Van Jefferson do it? Be the slot guys
or sorry, be the outside guy in this offense pretty please? Yeah? So,
so how do you feel about your How do you
feel about your your team overall? Are you feeling You're
feeling good? I know, I know you're sitting there looking
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at everyone else having those pretty these those pretty stacks,
and uh you know that they're you're you're you're without one. Yeah,
I think I'm gonna need an injury in the Rams
passing game to really have an opportunity because I need,
I really do need Jefferson and Golf to be some
sort of stack or I need cam Akers to catch
a bunch of passes. Because I don't have much stack equity.
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I'm gonna have to be pretty perfect with my draft
or of the Dolphins B League winners like they were
last year, and I think those are my only outs. Yeah,
I I feel okay about my team. I would obviously
feel had had things gone perfectly for me, I would
have taken Tyreek get two oh nine than Kyler at
three oh four, that I would have been able to
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get or or hopefully would have been able to get
Christian Kirk to to line those stacks out. And uh,
you know, I know someone else in the scott Fish
Bowl with all the teams get drafted, is sitting out
there with those stacks, and uh, you know, it's just
a bummer to know that that that's not me. But
I feel good about the young tight ends. I I'm
really gonna need um, I'm really really really gonna need
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though a zero RB injury. Yeah, that's your path to
success is j K. Dobbins being an RB one and
then potentially another guy sneaking in there. It's just an
RB two of the guys that you drafted. I think
your path is clearer than mine because of your stack ability.
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean, and and that is again,
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you know, that's that's the goal. I I think that
my team doesn't project that well on paper right because
my my running back scores are coming from two guys
who are part time players at best, and then a
lot of guys who are stone cold backups. But you know,
of course, thank you to the great Scott Fish and
Ryan McDowell for running this league. You guys are the
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absolute best. If you want to donate to the cause
that all of us are donating to, you can go
to SFB Potthon dot com and donate to to those charities.
It's a great thing that happens every year. I would
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