Ian Munsick (@ianmunsick) sat down with Bobby Bones to talk about his music journey coming from Wyoming. Ian grew up doing ranch work but was encouraged young to start music and played in his family band. He shares the struggles of leaving Wyoming to chase his music dreams in Nashville and attend Belmont University where he met his manager turned wife, and why they kept their relationship private in the beginning. Ian also reveals why his speech impediment goes away when he's on stage and how he overcomes it. He also shares working with his hero, Cody Johnson, and getting his first cut as a songwriter when he asked for his song "Leather."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I was in the studio making music and I was like,
oh gosh, I do not want to do this. I'm like,
right where I need to be. Turns out, going out
to the bar is sometimes where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to episode four twenty seven with Ian Munsick who.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
When Ian left, I was like, I don't know, I
love that dude.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I guess I expect some of these guys, these young
artists who have blown up so fast because of social
media or because of like crazy streaming, to be a
bit more entitled.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's unfair of me to.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Feel that way, because I felt that way with Bailey'szimmerman.
We were firstly ever interview, like he'd never done an
interview period. And Bailey and I text every week, like
I just check out on him and he gets me
back sometimes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah like that. I love that dude, And you know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
He grew up and Bailey comes from situationally somewhere like
I did, so we kind of keep track of each other.
But Ian, I guess I just thought, man, this guy's
blown up so quick and he's probably gonna be all cool.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And you look at his pictures.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He's got long hair and he sounds like he's on
the frontier.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Dude, he was the best, don't you agree? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think also because we were around the same age,
I was like, I want to be his friend.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Ian was awesome and he's who knew he was an athlete.
W end up calling Gator who runs a bunch of
radio stations. He runs one in Nashville, but a bunch
of cities to see if Ian's a decent basketball player,
and turns out he is. Uh So Ian munsick. Here's
a song called Long Lived Cowgirls. This current single here.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Long Live cal Girl, Will she Road? And here is
long Haul No we ain't one day? Round up through
the map where the cat.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And he wrote leather that Cody Johnson cut and made
his whole album.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He talks about that coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You can be, but you can't break.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Think about this guy is and I say it to him.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He doesn't have to convince anybody of who he is
because you autumn no, like he doesn't have to try.
He grew up running cattle by day and he played
music in the family band each night. This is not accurate,
but I pictured somebody in the family band having a bottle.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Ohug, yeah, jug like Andy Griffin.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Because that's that's what I think about when it's like
on the range, you just find any instruments.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Somebody has a watchboard, the spoons, yes, and the spoons. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
The youngest of three brothers. I picked up piano when
he was young, and I mean the dude's legit. Signed
a deal in twenty twenty one with Warner Music.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
He's got a one hundred million streams plus.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
His first album, Coyote Cry, came out in twenty nineteen,
which had that song long Haul. And his manager is
his wife, but he didn't marry his manager. He dated
his wife and then it's the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, here we go, let's do it. This is
Ian Munsick. Follow him at Ian Munsick on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah he left and I was like, I want to
be that guy's friend. Here. He is Ian Munsick.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Ian, how are you, buddy man? You have a we
have I don't know that we've met. Yeah, okay, yeah,
you have an interesting vibe in that I follow you
as far as like I've been watching you, watching your
career blow up how it has and you look and
pictures and even this promo picture you have here like
(03:22):
you might kill an animal and eat it before you
cook it and maybe listen to some skinner while. But
but you're also like a very pleasant dude. I didn't
expect you to be so pleasant.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Oh man, well, thank you and not you're you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You didn't seem not pleasant. You just you know your vibe,
your music, your image, and that's who you are. I
mean you were in a freaking Eagle T shirt, like
a not the Eagles the band, like a like just
a freaking eagle like that's you. But yeah, you're super
pleasant man, thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah? What like what you're married? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, I've seen I know I'm sometimes I'll ask to
know the answer. Yeah, so don't know that. I don't
know because i've seen your wife. You're what you guys
do a bunch of stuff together? Yes on social media?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What is?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
What would your wife say about your personality.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
The real you? Man? She would say probably that I'm
a party pooper. She actually got me a party pooper
costume for Halloween that look like poop. No, it's it's
like there's a toilet and then there's like a party
hat on top of Yeah. Yes, why would she say
you're a party pooper. Well, she likes to have the
(04:30):
good time, and I do too. But when I'm at home, man,
I like to like I'm probably as chill as they come.
I like I like to go to bed early, wake
up early, stay at home, work on music. That is
my ideal day, Whereas like she wants to get out
of the house and like go have a good time,
(04:51):
you know, which is great, and like go on explorations, vacations,
adventures and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Would you're waking up early even now liking to wake
up early. Would it be because of like when you
were like running cattle and having to do that early
in your life.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Man.
It's ingrained in my dna to wake up when my
parents do and they wake up Like but cracking down.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
At what age do you have to start doing real work?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Real work?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, like you're wow, you know you live in the
animals everywhere, you got the ranch, and when do you
have to start doing real work?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Like twelve? I mean, man, always helping like from a
young age, like probably eight or nine is when I
had to do ranch chores like get the eggs at night. Oh, yeah,
(05:51):
to make sure the cows are fed. Stuff like that,
but like real manual stuff, probably like high school. That's
really when it kicks in. Could you still opt right
a few big machines if you needed to? Yeah, yeah,
what's your favorite? I love to run the tractor during
hay season. That's like the best.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
One I used to haul. Hey yeah, Oh iudther run
the tractor that haul of the freaking hair.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Oh dude, yes, man, I mean dude. Stacking square bales
is just as that is almost that's probably the hardest
that I have manually worked in my entire life. It's
it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There'd usually be a crew of us three in Arkansas,
and one of us would be in the truck to
catch it, yeah stack, and the other two would be
up beside the truck trying to throw it in, and
everybody was exhausted, and you would try to strategize so
you could be the one that was least tired, but
it didn't matter because either you were by yourself grabbing
both of them trying to stack, or you're running beside
the truck trying to throw like and that's not even.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Real, like you do you did real work.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I also drove a combine a little bit oh nice
doing like some corn stuff, and that was fun because
the combine was like.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, dude, AC Radio. Yeah, like a luxury Campshire.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I drive by in the Farnel Like I'm jealous of
them driving the combine right there. Yeah, how do you
Whenever you're on stage there's no stutter at all?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I know, weird. What does it? What does a
doctor say about that? Honestly, I haven't been to one
since I was probably fourteen years old. What does the
internet say about that? Have you looked it up? No? No,
it's just so comfortable I need to Yeah, dude, I
think that's what it is. And honestly, it's like this
is going to sound cheesy, but that's where I belong, man,
Like I belong on stage performing and whenever I'm there,
(07:32):
it's like even if I'm talking, no speech impediment, and
it's like it's really proof to me that God wants
me to be fluent to spread my word on stage.
And there's just like, I don't know what other reason
(07:53):
there could be that that's the case.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
What about music in your house? And I know your
family all pretty musical. Yeah, were you and couraged very
young to start enjoying music.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, man, my dad, he really raised my two
older brothers and I to love music and play music.
So being the youngest of three boys, it was just
always in our house from a very very young age.
So I never really had a choice, man, it was
just there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Being the youngest. Did you have a choice though, in
what instrument you could play? Because I would assume you
everybody should learn. I didn't until later in life learn piano.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That was always the first one. Yeah, but it's like
if your brother's playing guitar and your.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Other you get stuck with the bass or a weird
drum or something.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well I did, Yeah, really, I got stuck playing the
bass and the mandolin. Those were the two that I
was stuck with. But honestly, I love the bass is
my favorite instrument. I love, love, love the Beatles and
Paul McCartney's my dude, So I just learned all of
their stuff and it was actually the bridge for me
(08:57):
to get into the touring world was playing bass.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So playing bass with the family I moved.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Here when I was eighteen, and that was the way
for me to My dad was very real. He's like, man,
there's a lot of talent in that town. But if
you learn how to play the bass and sing harmonies,
you're gonna be fine. You'll always be able to put
a meal on your table. And so that's what I did,
and I toured for a few years playing that role,
(09:26):
and that's kind of what introduced me to my wife.
I got to learn how the industry works with record
labels and touring and stuff like that, without having to
be my own artist yet, you know, so I learned
a lot from that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Dad pretty dialed in to even know that. What was
his musical background? Did he ever like try to make
it like, how did he know about Nashville.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He played in a group in Wyoming, and the guitar
player that he played with, his name is Larry Johnson,
and he was a writer here, just a monster player,
monster song. He actually wrote Don't Take the Girl by
Tim McGraw, and so he learned from him kind of
what Nashville was all about. But my dad never, I mean,
(10:10):
he's a cowboy through and through, wants to be on
the ranch. Can't stand Nashville, you know, so he sometimes
he's Wyoming for the ranch part, but yeah, sometimes yeah, yeah, man,
he's he's just wyoming through and through man, So that
was never really on his radar. He just wanted to
be able to play music and be a cowboy, a
cowboy first the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I was gonna call I know, you know, a
Gator a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh yeah, he's a man.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You think Gator's man? Yeah, I'm just kidding. Let's say
Gator text me earlier and was like, hey, you wanna
play all I'm like, no, end's coming over, and I
think he may have thought I meant like to play
video games.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I didn't really say, like what you were coming over for?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And who even knows. Let me see if I can
he'll answer. I know he's on the golf course right now,
but I have a question for him about you. Okay, cool,
all right, we're going to Gator. Hey, I'm gonna You're
gonna be close, but I'm gonna put your microphone up
to the mic. Is he a good basketball player or no,
he is?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You can tell.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Last time we played, he had to wipe a little
rust off jump through the top of the roof. I mean,
hops on that guy unmatched.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
What I was telling him earlier was when I see
him in pictures or I see his promo stuff or
social media. I'm just kind of scared of him. And
then when I meet him, I like him. He's like
pretty warm, And then I didn't You didn't think he'd
be a basketball player. Like he's in an eagle tucked
in American Eagle shirt with snake skin boots and blue jeans.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yet he can still.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Ball a little bit like the guy's you know, multifaceted.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
The The other thing about it is too, he's got
that long hair, which he like throws up in this big,
long ponytail. So if he's driving hard to the home
man whipped in the face of that thing.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How did you and Ian get to know each other?
Mutual friend?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I think introduced us at the beginning, wasn't it Ian, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Trying to remember now, I think so, Yeah, man, I
think so. But anyway, we found out really quick.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
We had common interest in that we both loved to basketball,
and I invited him. He said I'll show up and
he actually did. So that's how we hang out.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, okay, I when you think about his music fair
below average, which one of those two okay, uh.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Average, I think it is incredibly unique, which is what
makes him incredibly special and how he's been able.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
To create this brand and culture.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
And I also think that it's going to take a
minute for everybody to realize and see just how different
unique this is, because anything new and different takes a minute.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But I think he's special and I look forward to
his contribution to country music.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
All right, I just want to hear the basketball thing. Mostly,
we're going to cut out the compliments, all right. Hey,
thanks Nancy Letter. All right, that's funny athlete too.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Huh ah. Man, did you play anything high school? Yes?
I played basketball, track and soccer in high school, but
the basketball has always been my favorite. Man. Yeah, yeah,
you're pretty outdoorsy guy.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Obviously what I heard what you were doing a documentary
at least working on one. Oh yeah about yeah, about
naive American culture. Yeah, man, that's why I was drawn
to the eagle in your shirt. I don't know if they
have anything to do with each other, but so.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So what is that about. So it's called Voices of
the West. And I grew up just like a few
miles from the Crow Reservation, and their culture where I'm
from has a huge influence on the way of life
and and how cowboys and ranchers view the world. Their culture,
(13:45):
their culture, their their culture, and man, just it's one
of those things that not a lot of people know
too much about because they're extremely protective of their culture.
Like there's not a lot of white people that know
too much about it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And also, you know, so you know, let's be honest,
it's not something that a bunch of white people want
America to know.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, I know what they did exactly, and what.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They stole, the land they stole, and how unfair and
awful it is, the atrocities that happened. And so if
you don't think there's from the inside a bit of.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Suppression, totally, Oh yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And so when I read about what you were doing,
I was like, think, that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I wonder why he's doing it. Yeah, man, I just
you know, growing up with them, the going to school
with them, playing sports, and just seeing my friends who
are Native Americans thrive right now is really really cool
because there's a lot of times where you'll see a
lot of stories about them that aren't positive stories, you know,
(14:46):
but it was important for us to highlight the ones
that are out there absolutely thriving and living their dreams
out and man, I can't wait to use my platform
to help their stories get.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Out and say bear. I heard you say bear. But
you ever see bears where you live?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Uh? Yes? So I was out.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I was in Montana and they were like, Okay, here's
what you do if a bear comes.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I had a gun at a rifle, but they
were they don't want you to shoot a bear.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah right, they're very protected and so you can't. You actually,
you'll know this more than I will. So stop me
if I'm wrong. If you shoot a bear and you can't,
he wasn't attacking you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You're in trouble. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So they're like, if a bear decides to come at you,
this is then the can the bear spray and they're
like sprayed at the ground and then it will come up.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I didn't know that. There's no chance I would have
done that. Yeah no, I would have just gone the
face or just.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Thrown the can at it. So growing So okay, so
you and who knows, they're just messing with me. But
so you haven't never univer heard of spray the bear
spray under the.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Ground and now come up. No, but I mean, I'm
sure it's true. If they told you they know more
than that, I don't know. I trust I trust somebody
who live there. What what kind of bears were they
talking about? Black bears or grizzlies. Probably grizzly Yeah, I mean, dude,
if you run into a grizzly bear, they're so way
large and fast. Yeah, dude, you just yeah, you're screwed.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's with a grizzly you would think, Well, the good
thing about it grizzly is it's so big and fat.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I could probably get away.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No wrong, Yes, well then I guess I'll just run
up a tree.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
No wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You're not gonna do that either, or just go swim
like no, he's gonna you're gonna do that either.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
No matter what you do. Yeah, but a black bear, man,
I mean you can just like yeah, and then that'll leave,
you know, give.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It a blowny sandwich in it' and I get out
of there. So with long lived cowgirls that originally had
Cody Johnson on it, and you sit the version of
yourself for like promo to video for streaming of of
just you on it?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
What was that about? By the time our duet that
came out, which I think was January of twenty twenty
twenty two, so almost two years ago. We felt like
we needed to refresh it a little bit. And for me, man,
I don't I never want to ride anybody's coattails. I'm
happy to take the opportunities that are thrown my way.
(16:58):
And Cody did a ton for that. Especially in the
radio world, I feel like people's hands get tied a
lot easier where it's like, well, he has a he
has a tune on radio right now, so it's like,
is that going to get in the way of that?
So it was a way to to give stations the
choice to play the duet or play mine. So it's
(17:20):
still like, hey, you can play the edit. What absolutely? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, you'd share that you never like writing songs
for other people, that it wasn't your thing, it's how
you hated it. No, no, But with Cody song leather that, yeah,
you know, worlds collide again. Yeah, I know how why
give that song to Cody?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Really, he didn't give me too much of a choice.
It was it was. I played it for him on
the bus. He stared me down the entire time had
I played it, and I was like, dude, are you
mad at me for something? And he's like, dude, if
you give me that, I will cut my album around it.
So I was like, and he named the whole freaking record.
I know, I know. So it was like, all right, man,
well let's just table this. And then he calls me
(18:15):
two months later. I answer it. He doesn't say anything,
hits on speakerphone and he plays it just him and
guitar on his porch in Texas, and then he got
done with it and I was like, oh, dude, that's
not my song, and issued the man, he's like he
learned it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
He put his own nuance with it, and he's like,
you're gonna I've been watching I've been watching this kid
for eight years. Just you left town and now I
can't be his father's basically what.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That was right there? And what are you gonna say? Yeah?
Your dad? Did you?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I like, you hit him with the old let's circle back?
Oh yeah, and you never circle. But he circled. He
came right back.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He circled hard. Yeah, but that's also.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Got as much as as great as that song is,
as much as you probably wanted to cut the song yourself.
It's got to be really cool to have somebody that
you admire and think that what you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Do is so good, they'll do that. Yes, man, that's honestly,
I've never thought about that, And that's really really cool. Man.
That just kind of hit me hard. Wow, that's I
always knew that that he wanted to be a part
of it and to help me. But man, that tune.
I wrote it for my older brother, who is as
cowboy as they come, Like that is his more than you?
(19:22):
Oh my god, oh dude, ten times. I live in Nashville.
Let's be honest, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Know you can I go up on a ranch, but
you can tell you're not trying to be a cowboy. Yeah,
and that's the best compliment to account.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You're not. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Nothing about you needs to be acknowledged as a cowboy.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, absolutely, you just know what you are. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
and your brother's more than that, huh. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I mean, dude, he lives out on the ranch thousands
of acres, has done rodeo, He's done it all man,
And you know, just as humble as they come. He's
five foot eight weighs one hundred and thirty pounds. But
I do not want to scrap with him, dude, he
(19:58):
would He's as tough as leather and that's where that
idea came. And but man, the Cody is that way too.
I mean, he's he's the epitome of what a cowboy is.
And man, having a guy that you know, like the
culture wall is a cowboy who also plays music. I
(20:19):
play music and I am also a cowboy. The Cody is
half and half, and for anybody to live those two
lifestyles in one is like he's the only one that
I've ever seen do that. There's nobody else. I mean,
being a cowboy is a full time job, full full
full time. Being an artist is a full time job,
full full time. So it's like, man, props to Cody
(20:40):
for living two lives fully because it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Man, Cody is a guy you want as your friend
because first of all, you don't want him as your
enemy just in case, because you don't know what he's
capable of.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And that's the scariest. Yeah, when you do.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Know what someone's capable of, Okay, Well, it's not that
scary because you know what they can do. Yeah, what's
great about Cody is he is. It's just like he's
such a cool dude, and he's so loyal oh yeah
to his people that have been with him forever, and
you feel like some of that stuff that you don't
know he's gonna go do to somebody they.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Mess with his people, Oh yeah, dude, Like he has.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
That that when you meet Cody, it's like an instant
respect yep of he's gonna shoot straight. You may love it,
you may not like him, but at least he's gonna
be consistently honest with you. And I think that's what
drew me to really enjoying Cody was. You know, I
do this goofy job where I.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Talk to people all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
People put on shows they're supposed to they're entertainment. But
with Cody, it's very consistent. Yeah, and I very much
appreciate that. And you spent time with him out I'm
assuming he's like that on the road too.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He is, man, he is, I mean, and I think
that you can tell that from his music. Man. I mean,
he does not ever record a average I mean, they're
all great songs, you know, like all of them, And
I think that's just it's a he's been doing it
for a long long time for for a long time,
(22:02):
and for him now to be the star that he
is in mainstream is so good for country music.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When you come to school here and you go to
Belmont and you meet your she's now your wife.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Did you have a bunch of classes together? How did
that relationship start? We had one class and uh, I
was a good student. She was not. How does she
feel about you saying that she's fine with I mean,
she's one of those that she doesn't have to try
to get okay grades. I had to work my butt
off to get okay grades. And then in college, like
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you know, like it just kind of clicked and I
got the good grades. But she would ask me for
answers for stuff. So yes, she would cheat off of me.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Was it sort of romantic while she was cheating off?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, she was like, I am here for one reason
and to pass his class?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And were you letting her cheat because possibly like she's hot?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Kind of yeah? How would you not? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At what point did you guys start to turn a
scholastic relationship into something that's a little more non professional.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So she was at Tin Roof Classic how it always
starts right in Nashville. She was at Tin Roof and
Travis Tritt's crew was there, and she had known them
for a while and was good friends with them, and
Travis Tritt's kid named Tristan. He came up to her
(23:31):
and was like, oh my gosh, I just I found
this guy. He's awesome. You got to hear his music
and he plays me on on his phone on YouTube.
I think to her, and she's like, oh my gosh,
I know that guy. No way, I need to call
him real quick. Some you didn't set that up.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, no, some dude goes up to this girl that
you're letting cheat off of you, that you're helping in
school because she's cool and she's pretty. You happen to
have this thing going. It's not a thing again, it's
a scholastic thing. But to you, you're like, she's awesome.
Some that she knows that you don't know takes a
video of you and goes this, dude's awesome. Yes, yes,
that's the greatest story I've ever heard. If that's true,
it is one.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And then she calls me because like, hey, like, I
know it's been a while, but you need to come
down here and so the bar, Yes, got it? And
I'm not that kind of guy. I was in the studio,
home studio making music and I was like, ah, gosh,
I do not want to do this. I'm like right
where I need to be. Turns out, going out to
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the bar is sometimes where you need to be. And
I did that And what was that night? Like? He
was actually like, yeah, did she was?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
She like kind of interested in now because there was
a different side of you she saw.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think she really just wanted me to meet them,
and it's like, all right, got it. She's still thinking
about I knew her heart as like dude, you have
a pure heart and you want what's best for me,
And it's like that is just an easy It was
just a very organic way for her to be my manager,
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and then through that we fell in love. Like a
few months later, did you feel when she was managing you,
because again, you didn't start dating right when she started
managing No, no, but did you feel when you guys
started dating that you needed to hide that for a while? Yes? Yes,
you know. I was a twenty four year old new artist,
no labels deal, no publishing deal, no agency, nothing, and
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she was a brand new manager, didn't have any employees,
just new people in town. So we were like, hey,
I think for people to know that we're for real
and what we're trying to do, let's just make sure
that we keep it professional. And then we announced us
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going out for the first time when she was pregnant. Surprise.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, so how pregnant though, I mean large? Okay, so
that and this is my question and I was gonna
get to this. So she's like, she's pregnant. You know,
she's pregnant, but she's not dating anybody, So what's that
story for the first five.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And a half month.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Honestly, I don't even know, dude, immaculate conception.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I think I think she told her good friends. I
told my good friends and my family obviously, and her family,
But honestly, I don't really even know how people didn't.
And I think a lot of people thought that we
(26:38):
were going out, yeah, even before she was pregnant, just
because it's like, all right, these two were always together,
they've been together for two years, they're both young, you know,
but yeah, we announced to the world that one we're
dating two, We're going to have a child in three months.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a lot of now, yeah that's a big announce Yeah,
a lot of likes on Instagram, it's a lot of
it's a lot of double analysis.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah yeah. So and then what was like having a baby? Awesome? Man,
it's it's it was. It was the best thing that's
ever happened to me. And you know, I've always been music, music, music.
If I'm not spending my time creating music, I'm wasting
my time. Having the child totally changed that. Whereas if
I'm not with him or creating music that's going to
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help him, then I'm wasting my time. And it gave
me a new perspective on creating music, which has helped
my music, which is kind of you don't really think
that those two things go hand in hand, but man
they do. And he is the man. I love, love
love love being a dad. It is awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
The interesting thing about your baby, and I'd not seen
it with another baby before, but when he was born,
he had a beard and long hair, and I never
see on a baby.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I just knew it was your kid though.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
With the eagle, yeah, yeah, I was like, that's the Hey,
that's Ian Skid.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You can definitely tell there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So all the all the munsig boy, what's up worth it?
What's the music still? Do you ever get back together.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And play around? Man? Yeah, we get together a few
times a year. I always try and throw them on
at least one one gig a year. But man, they're
in Wyoming. I mean they all three live on their
own ranches and they don't really like leaving. I wouldn't either.
(28:32):
I don't like leaving. I don't want to go anywhere ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, and you're probably where it's like you probably travel
so much.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, that's when I'm home. I just want to be homed.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, earlier I just felt you and you said I'm
kind of the party pooper. But it's when you're always
having to be at the party, I know, or throw
the party.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's the real thing. The last thing you want to
do is go to another party. Yeah yep. Yeah, So
it's like I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I never want to be gone. I've gone so much
doing that. It's like when I and be home, I
just want.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
To be home. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, do you have how's playing these shows and playing
a bunch of show at night?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
How's your voice man for me, I have a high voice,
so uh, I'm not one of those guys that can
like drink and smoke all night and then be even
cooler in the morning. Like I have to like drink
a ton of water, drink tea every night to make
sure I get eight hours asleep. It's kind of like
(29:27):
my whole world really revolves around my voice, which is
good for my health. Honestly, like it, like it, like
it makes me want to take care of my It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Always convenient, but no, but Matt macro, yes, it's definitely
good for you.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know a friend of mine that are singers or
even lead singers of bands, and not even people that
I'm friends with me they have more of a responsibility
because let's just say you're in a five bands, say
you're in cold Play. Well, Chris Martin, he can't get sick.
He can't lose his voice. Where the other guys they can.
You hope they don't. But the show goes on. If
there's not a keyboardist or you, all your guys are
(30:03):
depending on you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And if you go out and stay up too late
and don't get enough sleep, yeah, the voice goes and
so there's a real I think it's pretty fortunate that
you're lame. Then that's that's how I feel about waking
up early in the morning. I'm very fortunate that I'm
lame because if not this, that this would have been
brutal for me to wake up this or.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh gosh, yeah, it's helped me take care of myself,
and I'm jealous the people that don't have to take
care of their voices. Same but at the same time,
it's the macro thing, like.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You said, yeah, music growing up what because again it's
this kind of juxtaposition of a cowboy versus somebody who's
I would assume you're a millennial or gen z right in,
like okay, yes, almost you're a millennial.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah yeah, So here you are.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And you got that mixture of cowboy which I think
classic country, which I think all of those influences of
even not even Nashville country, like some of that California
stuff like one.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But then also, yeah, had streaming.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Music, So what was it for you that you would
listen to all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay, So, being the youngest of three boys, CDs were
it for me and my brothers had those huge albums
you know that that you'd with the four on each side. Yeah.
Uh so stealing my older brother's albums was Blinklin eighty two, Sublime,
Eminem Tupac, System of a Down. Those were kind of
(31:34):
the main ones. And dude, those albums I just wore
to death. Yeah those are those were really the main
influential artists of my teens. And then when I moved
away from Wyoming was really when I was like, oh
my gosh, like, I need music that can make me
(31:56):
feel like I'm back home now. So it's always that escapism. Man,
Like being on the ranch. It's like, all right, yes,
I love the country music, but I want to feel
like I'm not here, you know. And then you leave
and it's like, oh man, I wish I was back home.
So the grass is always greener. And that's what I
think I've tried to hone in on in my music
(32:17):
is to make people feel like they're in the West
three minutes at a time, even though they might be
on the East Coast. So I think escapism is what
is a thing that is incredibly magical about music.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You had music built into you, like you said, there
was a culture of music that we all had, the
escapism type of music because you know, Blank One, a
two punk band from California, California, right, mike' whre they're
from from Okay. So but what music was there that
you had no choice? Because we all had those two absolutely,
and there was a lot of gospel records going up.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I had no choice. I just knew them.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I didn't want to listen to if I had to choose.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But that was the built in musical culture. Yeah, what
about for you? For me, it was Merle Haggard Ian Tyson,
those were kind of the two. But my dad being
a musician and a really good one too, I mean, dude,
he can play jazz music. I mean he's all over
the place. He's a freak. So there was just a
(33:36):
ton of music. Man, there was all kinds of music
in my house. Where did that come? I mean, it
was just naturally. He said that he took piano for
two years when he was like five years old, didn't
touch the piano until he was twenty two, and then
he said that had just clicked and then he could
just play all this stuff. It's like, how does that
even make sense.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, that's like somebody waking up after a wreck and
speaking in a British like I don't even understand how
that happens, like whatever is happening in the body.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So, but some of that had to come down to you,
I think. So yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I'm nothing's easy, especially being great at anything. Nothing, nothing's
easy to be great at. What to you, though, do
you feel like you take naturally to the most.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Honestly, man, my ears like hearing the chords hearing can
you hear a chord? Inate it? No? No, I'm not,
that's what I heard. I don't have perfect, perfect pictures. No, no, no, no,
that is a curse, not a blessing. I always, in
terms of writing, melodies come very natural to me, and
(34:36):
melody first times, most times, most of the time. Yeah,
And if it doesn't have that, then I don't want
any part of it. It's like like, if you're going
to do that, then just write a poem, you know, Yeah,
like there has to be a good melody.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I write a poem, loser, that's what I say.
A melody called a poem, idiot, that's what I say. Uh,
So I don't I don't want to say that I'm
just being cool right now, white buffalo?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What is it? What does that mean? So? In Native
America culture, it is a omen of good things to
come in.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The future and return. Really, so if you see one
to the old days.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yes, like an opposite of the black cat, that's yeah,
that's exactly right. Yes, hush, green grass. Plenty of animals
to hunt, that's what white buffalo means. Would anybody own
a white buffalo and.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Like just strategically drop it off places because that would
be legit, Like you hire a white blow that didn't
have Okay, I don't want to scam, but I know.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
A lot of people have them. Really, the lot of
people there's more than three. I get tagged and stuff
all the time. That's like a white buffalo that was
just born on a ranch and this guy is so cool.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Is it supposed to be super good luck if you have,
like a white buffalo is born to you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh yeah, big time, big time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I always heard I people see a dog taking a dump,
it's good luck.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh gods should drive by you ever see that? I mean,
you ever hear that? That good luck?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Like if you drive buying a dog's in mid dump,
like that's supposed to be good luck.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, hey man, now I know, but.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If you see a white buffalo taking a dump, that's
that's why get a lottery. Take Yeah, so white buffalo
obviously it means something to you personally. He told us
what the actual meaning is. Why take that and personally
put that with your brand?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Man? So I had I had that idea for a title.
So we wrote it. And after we wrote it, I
remember I played it for my wife and she's like,
oh my gosh, that needs to be the title track.
And that's kind of what sparked the idea to do
the documentary and to really incorporate Native American themes in
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our branding and all of that. And man, it just
there's a certain spiritualism that goes hand in hand with
the part of the country that I come from that
I think people are so attracted to, and it's the
land and the animals, and that is like the perfect
icon to encapsulate those things.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
If you go back a few years, your last maybe
your last I may mess this up, so tell me
if I do go from a memory here, but coyote cry, Yeah,
uh okay, so that was that?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Why was it?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Coyote cried then white but yes, okay, so okay we
go we got another animal? Yeah, I already cry what's
up with that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That? That is a lyric in my song long Haul,
and Long Haul was was kind of the tune that
this is my first gold record. It introduced me to
a lot of people in mainstream country music, and it
was a lyric in that. So like I always had
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the idea of like, Okay, that could be a cool name,
and then I was like, I do this howling thing
to quite a bit to my music. So it kind
of like is like a wink to that as well.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
The howling thing is like almost like Jason Derula, it's
kind of you know what that is I do?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, of course, of course make it sure because it's
not another one or another. Yeah, it's like you're you know,
you know, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, man exactly. You're
going out with Lanny Wilson. That's pretty cool. Yeah, Wade
and beast crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I know, dude, I still have right down the road
from where I live now in Whenever. Blanco first before
the Get Up Blew Up, there was a video of
him and Laney doing the get Up That dance and
went viral. And they were dancing the parking lot of
their record label. I texted Laney, I mean, she barely
had a deal, and I was like, hey, will you
come show me how to do this dance? And she
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so she came over to the house showed me how
to do the dance, and so I got a little
crew over to shoot us doing it because it was
going a boy. I thought it be funny to do
and I was like, Lanny, do you want to get
in the video? And She's like, Nah, nobody's gonna know
who I am. There's gonna be confused if I'm in
this video with you guys.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Wow. And now how many years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Eighteen? Okay? Yeah? Five?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, I mean not that I mean, but really in
the grand scheme.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh dude, yeah, not that long ago, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And to see somebody like her and what's crazy? And
this is how I'm going to get it back to you?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Is that again?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I've known Lanny when she was just from Arkansas. She's
from Louisiana. She had a very thick accent. When it
was just hilarious that her accent was so thick and
she was lady and that's just who she was. But
now to see people be like that accent's fake. Yeah,
she's putting on yeah, like no, yeah, none of that's fake.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I've been knowing lady for a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It wasn't fake then, it's not fake now. So but
somebody who has again, her brand is so much who
she really is.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Same with you.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Do people ever go come on, dude, oh yeah all
the time like you faking it a little bit, especially
now where the cowboys are cool and like the whole,
like the Yellowstone thing, it's like, oh my gosh, like
you you're not really from a ranch in Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's like, dude, all right if you don't think so they.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Start talking to Australia and then be like it, don't
tell you what, ud I imagine because again you're so that,
but you're so naturally that that people have to question
it because you're so good at it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Well gosh, I don't yeah, I don't. I don't know, man.
It's a just being from the state of Wyoming. There's
there's nobody else in country music from there, Like have
you met anybody from Wyoming? Well? Funny as because I'm
gonn to give you a bad answer on this one.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I played Frontier Days with Toby Kei and yeah, so
it was there were a bunch of people and then
we were next to last and Toby was was right?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Was right? Then we got long ago? Was that three
four years ago?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And so I'll see if can gets with the artist
is And so we're playing who was Chancey Williams?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
No, ned La Yes, isn't it ned La dou?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And so ned was playing a couple of spots in
front of us, and we were just talking about Wyoming.
And so when you said that, I think you're right.
Nobody that like has super crossed over that, like general
public would go Wyoming. But I cheat, I was there,
I played it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know you were in Wyoming. Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, it's it's kind of cool being being from markets.
A lot of people that my state's pretty impoverished and
there's not for me. There's not a lot of people
that have the resources to get out where Wyoming is.
You guys have your own culture that's in port. You're ranching,
You're like what you guys do that it's different than
being impoverished, but that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Culture is not to get out.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No, it's freaking an awesome job being in YEP and
so it makes sense there's not a lot of people
that are like Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, dude, I mean I was. Of my classmates, I
think two or three of us aren't in Wyoming anymore,
you know, so, but we only had a class of
like thirty people. But so that's kind of a high percentage.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hey, uh eh, but I went to small school too.
My whole school kindergarten through twelfth grade with six hundred people.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, that's pretty small, but yours a had to be
that size. Yeah, ours was high school was one hundred kids.
You're smaller than Yeah. Yeah, well how was you like?
Would you go back? Let me change it up. Would
you want your son to go to a small school? Absolutely,
because because oh man, I could go on and on
and on. Really, people are just good people. The smaller
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the group is. I would definitely agree with that too.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, pac mentality makes people, we mean angry.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
See in politics, Yeah, dude, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
The the more people fall out into their group, the
less they are of the person they are, regardless of
the group, because they feel like they have to maintain
the identity of what that group. I said, their identity
needs to be. Oh yeah, the small school that's good.
What was your school? Like, where's your mascot? We were
the Eagles, of course you were. Of course you were
the freaking eagles, t.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Birds and then the Eagles. When you get the high school.
Oh you like boy Scouts, Cubs Scouts, boy Scouts, Birds, Wolf.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Were the slow Yeah that was cub Scout's boy all that.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, I was a Cub Scout. Didn't quite make the
boy Scouts. Did you make it? Uh? What's the highest
that you got in the Cub Scout animal? I think
very high, Tiger. I don't even remember.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I was trying to get those badges though, and that
was this point I couldn't get a cookie badge and.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
They're like, that's the girls Scouts and I was like.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's the one I wanted. I want to get. I
want the freaking cookie badge.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Man. What the schools in Wyoming like where you went to?
Where they were?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
They a long ways away? Like travel a long ways
for away games?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh dude, yes, I mean over mountain ranges, prairie. That's
so cliche and awesome and it's kind of brutal yeaheah, yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Did you guys have like area rivalries like your range
sucks all right, you know your mountains blow?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah. Our rivals were on the other ends of the
Big Horn Mountains, which is only like an hour away,
but man, just hated each other. It's like, dude, we
have the same mountains, and it's like we're in the
same area. And then you get to be twenty eight
then friends. Yeah, you're like you grew up together the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, So we think about Nashville. I like it, man.
I think that this is the only urban area that
I could ever live in. Music being the common language
really helped me move here and just meet people very
quickly because you could speak that same language.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, you could be from la I could be from Wyoming,
and then we could just jam and talk for hours
and hours and hours, man. And that's that's another thing
that's so cool about music, man, is that it brings
people together. If you're touring a lot, can you write
a lot? Right? A lot? Yeah? I am not very
good at that. It's honestly the opposite half of the
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brain in my opinion, Like one is like all eyes
on me, all eyes on me, let's do this thing.
Let's make sure that they leave thinking that that was
the best energy that they've ever had on stage or
in a room. Whereas writing, it's like, all right now,
how introspective can I be? Don't want anybody to be
listening to what I'm doing, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So just have a couple things. I want to make
an analogy here and see if you feel the same.
But for me, you know, I grew up a certain
way and small town all that. Then I get here
and there's a long, slow process to me. But I
had some big success and then things started to go
really well for me, where I can kind of get
back in touch and remember the things I'm supposed to remember,
(45:06):
or when I go home, yeah, or when I get
on the road and get to actually talk to real people,
uh huh, because in this town real people. Yeah, And
so going on the road is good for me. I
get tired, but going on.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
The road and just hanging out with like people that come.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
To shows or going home, because like, that's who I am.
And sometimes it's easy not to forget who you are,
but for it to kind of slip out of your
creative conscious and I'm often reminded of that, and I
do that purposefully.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Do you ever go home for that reason. Yes, absolutely, man.
I try and go home for a couple weeks out
of the year, and every single time I do that,
I have just this am your AMMO of titles, ideas, lines,
melodies that then I come back to Nashville and write them,
(45:57):
you know, And you.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Keep a listening to your phone of all your stuff,
just constantly updated. Yes, like song titles that you've never
gotten to but you still think one day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I get them in there all the time. And every
time that I have a write the coming up scheduled
that I always go through it is like, all right, now,
which one of these would work the best with these
writers here? You know.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I have a list of like jokes and like funny
songs that I want to write, and some of them
I just and I'm going to ask you if you've
ever had this happen to you. But sometimes I just don't.
I'm not on the right path to create it, whatever
the correct version is. Sometimes I write a joke and
I'm like, that's not it. I write a song and
I'm like, man, I don't want to write this whole
(46:39):
song and do it this way because it doesn't feel
like I feel like this way can be done better.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And this is so stupid compared to your stuff, because
you're as good.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But like, I have this idea and I've tried to
write it a couple of times, and I wanted to
write the hardest sing along song of all time, meaning
people love to sing friends in the place this sweet Caroline.
I want to write the hardest sing along song of
all time.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
See that's hard concept.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well, the song is called Plural Murals, and I've tried
it and it's not I get it to a place
where I'm like, that's only C minus and it could
be the stupidest idea ever and it may never come
to something. But Plural Rural Murals the hardest sing along
song of all time. It feels too important to me
for it not to be.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Perfect, just perfect.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Do you ever have a song like that where you've tried,
you know, you've tinkered with it, But I can't you
stop laughing on that song you need You just can't
invest it into that because it's not right yet.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Man. Yeah, I have a tune called more than Me
Had I put out on White Buffalo, and it took
me two and a half years to write it just
because it wasn't right the first time we did it,
it wasn't right the next time that we did it,
and then I was like, all right, I'm gonna take
it home and I'm just gonna work on it for
(47:50):
like a year, And that's what I did, and then
I brought it back into the right. We got ninety
percent of it done, I was like, all I still
not quite there, and then like another few months went
by and then finally we get it done. Man. But
there's no rush man, I mean, you know, there's no
rush on art. And there's tunes that I've wrote in
(48:11):
an hour that have more streams than that one that
took me two and a half years. Right, So it's
like there's no right or wrong way to do it.
I've heard that song. It's no plural rural murals. It's
pretty good plural rural murle exact sing that mirals. It's
possible murals, murals, murals, murals, mural, but we have a
(48:33):
different rural murals murals murals, no murals, But I haven't.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I mean, no, no, you may be saying it right, Mike,
how do you.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Say it murals murals?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, that's but he's not saying like you say it
how am I saying it?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Murals like you're saying it, murals, murals you're not saying.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
See and then everybody be like, Okay, well, like a
couple of minutes left here. But I'm a fan, Like
Gator said earlier, I'm a fan because anytime you do
something that other people aren't doing, they're either going to
be resentful of it not understand it, so then they
don't get it angry at it because they didn't do it.
(49:16):
Like there are all of these reasons you shouldn't do
what you do. Yeah, absolutely, and for someone like you
to just go, this is what it is. And I'm
not only making it like I'm here, I'm fighting for it.
I'm putting all my time and effort. I'm not changing.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
You could have easily altered your whole essence thirty two
percent and still been the cowboy but a little a
little less western edgy. Yeah yeah, and had a lot
more mainstream success way earlier. I firmly believe you could
have done that, but you didn't. And what's awesome is whenever,
(49:50):
because it's it's freaking killing right now, but whenever it
pops so hard, you're going to own that space.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you, and that's what's going to be great about it, man.
I mean, I just I don't think that that artistically,
I could throw myself out there and know that it's
not me, because if it did blow up, then I'd
just be acting for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It's like, that's the life. You get a lot of money,
Why would you want to do that? I agree, I
don't either, but I'm never gonnat a.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Lot of money. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I think it's so cool what you're doing, how you're
doing it. Thank you, and that you'd still keep doing
it if you knew you were never gonna be oh yeah,
oh yeah, entertainer of the.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Year, you'd still be like, this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
If I'm living at home, I'm gonna do it absolutely.
That's also where the best freedom and best joy is.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Too, which makes the best art. And that's really all
I want to do, man, is make music that I
want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, I like I guess I don't tell jokes or stories
I don't want to hear. I often get annoyed with myself.
Look good for you for making music, you like. I
think I would hate me. I'd be on the radio,
or i'd be he's playing that theater.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I'm not going to that, but good for you. That's
I need to do. Then do stuff that I would like, Yeah, dude,
of course, dude, I will say I saw your last
too much access.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Oh yeah with the volleyball or the yes, oh god, yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
The volleyball that I mean, that's the content that you
would want to watch.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, but I look like an idiot, and I like
to see the other people look like idiots.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Volleyball is hard, dude. I mean, no matter how athletic
you are, I suck at volleyball. Then I can jump high.
But dude, like, I just I am absolutely horrible at volleyball.
So to watch you like.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Like an alley like, I'm appreciate you. Okay, it's enough.
I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about that. I
feel like I get picked on you and junior high.
You have social anxiety at all?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
No, no, man, like, I'm always I'm a very chill guy.
Man Like I could be the dude in the corner
that's just having a personal conversation, or I could be
your right hand man, or I could go on stage
and be the artist.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
What a wife if you're just sitting around, how do
you feel?
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Then I have a hard time just like hanging out
and not doing anything. And I think I get that
from my mom because she's like hardcore cowgirl, like needs
to do like everything always.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
But if you're like relax at home, yeah, butt naked, Yeah,
everything's so relaxed. You have something on TV, like everything's
just perfect. Does your speech impediment still show up?
Speaker 1 (52:25):
No, No, it's weird. But around my parents it's like
really bad. Why that is? I don't know. I don't know.
And even with you here, like I thought that it
was going to be kind of bad because I was like,
oh man, this is a big interview. I'm nervous. But
it's been like probably eighty five percent fluid. It's been
(52:45):
pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah yeah, so it's like I'm pretty warm amazing though,
just warm up and you know, just be cool.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
So I just never know, man, And.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
You're true most people most people douchebags. Yeah, we're deally to.
That's not okay. Here's what I want to say. We
talked about long lift cowgirls before you came in. Uh,
why Buffalo is out now? And you guys follow Ian
at Ian munsick and I'll say this, You'll see him
and you'll go that dude might shank me.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
And he might. But I'm telling you, like, I like you.
I would go play basketball with you guys. Oh, come on.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
The only reason I haven't gotten to play so far
has been you. And I was like, I don't like
that guy. But now I'm gonna go. I'm terribly afraid.
I do a lot of physical stuff now with shows
and stuff. I'm terribly afraid I'm gonna tear the now,
I'm gonna get hurt. Yeah, you see, Kane built his
Kane Brown built his new his gym.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, it's so awesome and like this in the dumbest
most awesome way, like because Caine likes the ball.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, and so he was like, screw it, I'll just
build it. It's awesome. Is it like an indoor court
with life like like the like the hardwood floor and
oh my gosh, spot too much.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
But yep, dream he's got like a gym, you know,
Like that's amazing. It's amazing, all right, look and I
enjoyed you man. Yeah you're freaking awesome. Tell your wife.
I Hello, I don't know her either. But again, I
see you guys on social media, and I figure that
of the two, I would like her way more than you,
And to be honest, I still feel that way, but
I like you a lot too. All Right, buddy, all right,
(54:11):
you guys follow Ian at Ian Munsick Long Lived Cowgirls
the song you guys, go stream White Buffalo, and if
he comes to town with Laney or himself.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Go check out a show. It's what you're doing to me?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Is I just like it when somebody knows who they
are and they go after it even though it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Thank you, all right there, he is
Speaker 5 (54:28):
In Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
I was in the studio making music and I was like,
oh gosh, I do not want to do this. I'm like,
right where I need to be. Turns out, going out
to the bar is sometimes where you need to be.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to episode four twenty seven with Ian Munsick who.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
When Ian left, I was like, I don't know, I
love that dude.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I guess I expect some of these guys, these young
artists who have blown up so fast because of social
media or because of like crazy streaming, to be a
bit more entitled.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It's unfair of me to.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Feel that way, because I felt that way with Bailey'szimmerman.
We were firstly ever interview, like he'd never done an
interview period. And Bailey and I text every week, like
I just check out on him and he gets me
back sometimes.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah like that. I love that dude, And you know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
He grew up and Bailey comes from situationally somewhere like
I did, so we kind of keep track of each other.
But Ian, I guess I just thought, man, this guy's
blown up so quick and he's probably gonna be all cool.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And you look at his pictures.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He's got long hair and he sounds like he's on
the frontier.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Dude, he was the best, don't you agree? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think also because we were around the same age,
I was like, I want to be his friend.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Ian was awesome and he's who knew he was an athlete.
W end up calling Gator who runs a bunch of
radio stations. He runs one in Nashville, but a bunch
of cities to see if Ian's a decent basketball player,
and turns out he is. Uh So Ian munsick. Here's
a song called Long Lived Cowgirls. This current single here.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Long Live cal Girl, Will she Road? And here is
long Haul No we ain't one day? Round up through
the map where the cat.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And he wrote leather that Cody Johnson cut and made
his whole album.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He talks about that coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You can be, but you can't break.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Think about this guy is and I say it to him.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
He doesn't have to convince anybody of who he is
because you autumn no, like he doesn't have to try.
He grew up running cattle by day and he played
music in the family band each night. This is not accurate,
but I pictured somebody in the family band having a bottle.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Ohug, yeah, jug like Andy Griffin.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Because that's that's what I think about when it's like
on the range, you just find any instruments.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Somebody has a watchboard, the spoons, yes, and the spoons. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
The youngest of three brothers. I picked up piano when
he was young, and I mean the dude's legit. Signed
a deal in twenty twenty one with Warner Music.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
He's got a one hundred million streams plus.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
His first album, Coyote Cry, came out in twenty nineteen,
which had that song long Haul. And his manager is
his wife, but he didn't marry his manager. He dated
his wife and then it's the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, here we go, let's do it. This is
Ian Munsick. Follow him at Ian Munsick on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah he left and I was like, I want to
be that guy's friend. Here. He is Ian Munsick.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Ian, how are you, buddy man? You have a we
have I don't know that we've met. Yeah, okay, yeah,
you have an interesting vibe in that I follow you
as far as like I've been watching you, watching your
career blow up how it has and you look and
pictures and even this promo picture you have here like
(03:22):
you might kill an animal and eat it before you
cook it and maybe listen to some skinner while. But
but you're also like a very pleasant dude. I didn't
expect you to be so pleasant.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Oh man, well, thank you and not you're you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You didn't seem not pleasant. You just you know your vibe,
your music, your image, and that's who you are. I
mean you were in a freaking Eagle T shirt, like
a not the Eagles the band, like a like just
a freaking eagle like that's you. But yeah, you're super
pleasant man, thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah? What like what you're married? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, I've seen I know I'm sometimes I'll ask to
know the answer. Yeah, so don't know that. I don't
know because i've seen your wife. You're what you guys
do a bunch of stuff together? Yes on social media?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What is?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
What would your wife say about your personality.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
The real you? Man? She would say probably that I'm
a party pooper. She actually got me a party pooper
costume for Halloween that look like poop. No, it's it's
like there's a toilet and then there's like a party
hat on top of Yeah. Yes, why would she say
you're a party pooper. Well, she likes to have the
(04:30):
good time, and I do too. But when I'm at home, man,
I like to like I'm probably as chill as they come.
I like I like to go to bed early, wake
up early, stay at home, work on music. That is
my ideal day, Whereas like she wants to get out
of the house and like go have a good time,
(04:51):
you know, which is great, and like go on explorations, vacations,
adventures and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Would you're waking up early even now liking to wake
up early. Would it be because of like when you
were like running cattle and having to do that early
in your life.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Man.
It's ingrained in my dna to wake up when my
parents do and they wake up Like but cracking down.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
At what age do you have to start doing real work?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Real work?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, like you're wow, you know you live in the
animals everywhere, you got the ranch, and when do you
have to start doing real work?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Like twelve? I mean, man, always helping like from a
young age, like probably eight or nine is when I
had to do ranch chores like get the eggs at night. Oh, yeah,
(05:51):
to make sure the cows are fed. Stuff like that,
but like real manual stuff, probably like high school. That's
really when it kicks in. Could you still opt right
a few big machines if you needed to? Yeah, yeah,
what's your favorite? I love to run the tractor during
hay season. That's like the best.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
One I used to haul. Hey yeah, Oh iudther run
the tractor that haul of the freaking hair.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Oh dude, yes, man, I mean dude. Stacking square bales
is just as that is almost that's probably the hardest
that I have manually worked in my entire life. It's
it's brutal.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
There'd usually be a crew of us three in Arkansas,
and one of us would be in the truck to
catch it, yeah stack, and the other two would be
up beside the truck trying to throw it in, and
everybody was exhausted, and you would try to strategize so
you could be the one that was least tired, but
it didn't matter because either you were by yourself grabbing
both of them trying to stack, or you're running beside
the truck trying to throw like and that's not even.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Real, like you do you did real work.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I also drove a combine a little bit oh nice
doing like some corn stuff, and that was fun because
the combine was like.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, dude, AC Radio. Yeah, like a luxury Campshire.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I drive by in the Farnel Like I'm jealous of
them driving the combine right there. Yeah, how do you
Whenever you're on stage there's no stutter at all?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I know, weird. What does it? What does a
doctor say about that? Honestly, I haven't been to one
since I was probably fourteen years old. What does the
internet say about that? Have you looked it up? No? No,
it's just so comfortable I need to Yeah, dude, I
think that's what it is. And honestly, it's like this
is going to sound cheesy, but that's where I belong, man,
Like I belong on stage performing and whenever I'm there,
(07:32):
it's like even if I'm talking, no speech impediment, and
it's like it's really proof to me that God wants
me to be fluent to spread my word on stage.
And there's just like, I don't know what other reason
(07:53):
there could be that that's the case.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
What about music in your house? And I know your
family all pretty musical. Yeah, were you and couraged very
young to start enjoying music.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, man, my dad, he really raised my two
older brothers and I to love music and play music.
So being the youngest of three boys, it was just
always in our house from a very very young age.
So I never really had a choice, man, it was
just there.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Being the youngest. Did you have a choice though, in
what instrument you could play? Because I would assume you
everybody should learn. I didn't until later in life learn piano.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
That was always the first one. Yeah, but it's like
if your brother's playing guitar and your.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Other you get stuck with the bass or a weird
drum or something.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well I did, Yeah, really, I got stuck playing the
bass and the mandolin. Those were the two that I
was stuck with. But honestly, I love the bass is
my favorite instrument. I love, love, love the Beatles and
Paul McCartney's my dude, So I just learned all of
their stuff and it was actually the bridge for me
(08:57):
to get into the touring world was playing bass.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So playing bass with the family I moved.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Here when I was eighteen, and that was the way
for me to My dad was very real. He's like, man,
there's a lot of talent in that town. But if
you learn how to play the bass and sing harmonies,
you're gonna be fine. You'll always be able to put
a meal on your table. And so that's what I did,
and I toured for a few years playing that role,
(09:26):
and that's kind of what introduced me to my wife.
I got to learn how the industry works with record
labels and touring and stuff like that, without having to
be my own artist yet, you know, so I learned
a lot from that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Dad pretty dialed in to even know that. What was
his musical background? Did he ever like try to make
it like, how did he know about Nashville.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
He played in a group in Wyoming, and the guitar
player that he played with, his name is Larry Johnson,
and he was a writer here, just a monster player,
monster song. He actually wrote Don't Take the Girl by
Tim McGraw, and so he learned from him kind of
what Nashville was all about. But my dad never, I mean,
(10:10):
he's a cowboy through and through, wants to be on
the ranch. Can't stand Nashville, you know, so he sometimes
he's Wyoming for the ranch part, but yeah, sometimes yeah, yeah, man,
he's he's just wyoming through and through man, So that
was never really on his radar. He just wanted to
be able to play music and be a cowboy, a
cowboy first the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I was gonna call I know, you know, a
Gator a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh yeah, he's a man.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You think Gator's man? Yeah, I'm just kidding. Let's say
Gator text me earlier and was like, hey, you wanna
play all I'm like, no, end's coming over, and I
think he may have thought I meant like to play
video games.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I didn't really say, like what you were coming over for?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And who even knows. Let me see if I can
he'll answer. I know he's on the golf course right now,
but I have a question for him about you. Okay, cool,
all right, we're going to Gator. Hey, I'm gonna You're
gonna be close, but I'm gonna put your microphone up
to the mic. Is he a good basketball player or no,
he is?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You can tell.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Last time we played, he had to wipe a little
rust off jump through the top of the roof. I mean,
hops on that guy unmatched.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
What I was telling him earlier was when I see
him in pictures or I see his promo stuff or
social media. I'm just kind of scared of him. And
then when I meet him, I like him. He's like
pretty warm, And then I didn't You didn't think he'd
be a basketball player. Like he's in an eagle tucked
in American Eagle shirt with snake skin boots and blue jeans.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yet he can still.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Ball a little bit like the guy's you know, multifaceted.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
The The other thing about it is too, he's got
that long hair, which he like throws up in this big,
long ponytail. So if he's driving hard to the home
man whipped in the face of that thing.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How did you and Ian get to know each other?
Mutual friend?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I think introduced us at the beginning, wasn't it Ian, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Trying to remember now, I think so, Yeah, man, I
think so. But anyway, we found out really quick.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
We had common interest in that we both loved to basketball,
and I invited him. He said I'll show up and
he actually did. So that's how we hang out.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, okay, I when you think about his music fair
below average, which one of those two okay, uh.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Average, I think it is incredibly unique, which is what
makes him incredibly special and how he's been able.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
To create this brand and culture.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
And I also think that it's going to take a
minute for everybody to realize and see just how different
unique this is, because anything new and different takes a minute.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But I think he's special and I look forward to
his contribution to country music.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
All right, I just want to hear the basketball thing. Mostly,
we're going to cut out the compliments, all right. Hey,
thanks Nancy Letter. All right, that's funny athlete too.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Huh ah. Man, did you play anything high school? Yes?
I played basketball, track and soccer in high school, but
the basketball has always been my favorite. Man. Yeah, yeah,
you're pretty outdoorsy guy.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Obviously what I heard what you were doing a documentary
at least working on one. Oh yeah about yeah, about
naive American culture. Yeah, man, that's why I was drawn
to the eagle in your shirt. I don't know if they
have anything to do with each other, but so.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So what is that about. So it's called Voices of
the West. And I grew up just like a few
miles from the Crow Reservation, and their culture where I'm
from has a huge influence on the way of life
and and how cowboys and ranchers view the world. Their culture,
(13:45):
their culture, their their culture, and man, just it's one
of those things that not a lot of people know
too much about because they're extremely protective of their culture.
Like there's not a lot of white people that know
too much about it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And also, you know, so you know, let's be honest,
it's not something that a bunch of white people want
America to know.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, I know what they did exactly, and what.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
They stole, the land they stole, and how unfair and
awful it is, the atrocities that happened. And so if
you don't think there's from the inside a bit of.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Suppression, totally, Oh yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And so when I read about what you were doing,
I was like, think, that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I wonder why he's doing it. Yeah, man, I just
you know, growing up with them, the going to school
with them, playing sports, and just seeing my friends who
are Native Americans thrive right now is really really cool
because there's a lot of times where you'll see a
lot of stories about them that aren't positive stories, you know,
(14:46):
but it was important for us to highlight the ones
that are out there absolutely thriving and living their dreams
out and man, I can't wait to use my platform
to help their stories get.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Out and say bear. I heard you say bear. But
you ever see bears where you live?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Uh? Yes? So I was out.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I was in Montana and they were like, Okay, here's
what you do if a bear comes.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I had a gun at a rifle, but they
were they don't want you to shoot a bear.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah right, they're very protected and so you can't. You actually,
you'll know this more than I will. So stop me
if I'm wrong. If you shoot a bear and you can't,
he wasn't attacking you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You're in trouble. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So they're like, if a bear decides to come at you,
this is then the can the bear spray and they're
like sprayed at the ground and then it will come up.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I didn't know that. There's no chance I would have
done that. Yeah no, I would have just gone the
face or just.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Thrown the can at it. So growing So okay, so
you and who knows, they're just messing with me. But
so you haven't never univer heard of spray the bear
spray under the.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Ground and now come up. No, but I mean, I'm
sure it's true. If they told you they know more
than that, I don't know. I trust I trust somebody
who live there. What what kind of bears were they
talking about? Black bears or grizzlies. Probably grizzly Yeah, I mean, dude,
if you run into a grizzly bear, they're so way
large and fast. Yeah, dude, you just yeah, you're screwed.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's with a grizzly you would think, Well, the good
thing about it grizzly is it's so big and fat.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I could probably get away.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No wrong, Yes, well then I guess I'll just run
up a tree.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
No wrong answer.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You're not gonna do that either, or just go swim
like no, he's gonna you're gonna do that either.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
No matter what you do. Yeah, but a black bear, man,
I mean you can just like yeah, and then that'll leave,
you know, give.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It a blowny sandwich in it' and I get out
of there. So with long lived cowgirls that originally had
Cody Johnson on it, and you sit the version of
yourself for like promo to video for streaming of of
just you on it?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
What was that about? By the time our duet that
came out, which I think was January of twenty twenty
twenty two, so almost two years ago. We felt like
we needed to refresh it a little bit. And for me, man,
I don't I never want to ride anybody's coattails. I'm
happy to take the opportunities that are thrown my way.
(16:58):
And Cody did a ton for that. Especially in the
radio world, I feel like people's hands get tied a
lot easier where it's like, well, he has a he
has a tune on radio right now, so it's like,
is that going to get in the way of that?
So it was a way to to give stations the
choice to play the duet or play mine. So it's
(17:20):
still like, hey, you can play the edit. What absolutely? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, you'd share that you never like writing songs
for other people, that it wasn't your thing, it's how
you hated it. No, no, But with Cody song leather that, yeah,
you know, worlds collide again. Yeah, I know how why
give that song to Cody?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Really, he didn't give me too much of a choice.
It was it was. I played it for him on
the bus. He stared me down the entire time had
I played it, and I was like, dude, are you
mad at me for something? And he's like, dude, if
you give me that, I will cut my album around it.
So I was like, and he named the whole freaking record.
I know, I know. So it was like, all right, man,
well let's just table this. And then he calls me
(18:15):
two months later. I answer it. He doesn't say anything,
hits on speakerphone and he plays it just him and
guitar on his porch in Texas, and then he got
done with it and I was like, oh, dude, that's
not my song, and issued the man, he's like he
learned it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
He put his own nuance with it, and he's like,
you're gonna I've been watching I've been watching this kid
for eight years. Just you left town and now I
can't be his father's basically what.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That was right there? And what are you gonna say? Yeah?
Your dad? Did you?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I like, you hit him with the old let's circle back?
Oh yeah, and you never circle. But he circled. He
came right back.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He circled hard. Yeah, but that's also.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Got as much as as great as that song is,
as much as you probably wanted to cut the song yourself.
It's got to be really cool to have somebody that
you admire and think that what you.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Do is so good, they'll do that. Yes, man, that's honestly,
I've never thought about that, And that's really really cool. Man.
That just kind of hit me hard. Wow, that's I
always knew that that he wanted to be a part
of it and to help me. But man, that tune.
I wrote it for my older brother, who is as
cowboy as they come, Like that is his more than you?
(19:22):
Oh my god, oh dude, ten times. I live in Nashville.
Let's be honest, Like, I.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Know you can I go up on a ranch, but
you can tell you're not trying to be a cowboy. Yeah,
and that's the best compliment to account.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You're not. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Nothing about you needs to be acknowledged as a cowboy.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yes, absolutely, you just know what you are. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
and your brother's more than that, huh. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
I mean, dude, he lives out on the ranch thousands
of acres, has done rodeo, He's done it all man,
And you know, just as humble as they come. He's
five foot eight weighs one hundred and thirty pounds. But
I do not want to scrap with him, dude, he
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would He's as tough as leather and that's where that
idea came. And but man, the Cody is that way too.
I mean, he's he's the epitome of what a cowboy is.
And man, having a guy that you know, like the
culture wall is a cowboy who also plays music. I
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play music and I am also a cowboy. The Cody is
half and half, and for anybody to live those two
lifestyles in one is like he's the only one that
I've ever seen do that. There's nobody else. I mean,
being a cowboy is a full time job, full full
full time. Being an artist is a full time job,
full full time. So it's like, man, props to Cody
(20:40):
for living two lives fully because it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Man, Cody is a guy you want as your friend
because first of all, you don't want him as your
enemy just in case, because you don't know what he's
capable of.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And that's the scariest. Yeah, when you do.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Know what someone's capable of, Okay, Well, it's not that
scary because you know what they can do. Yeah, what's
great about Cody is he is. It's just like he's
such a cool dude, and he's so loyal oh yeah
to his people that have been with him forever, and
you feel like some of that stuff that you don't
know he's gonna go do to somebody they.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Mess with his people, Oh yeah, dude, Like he has.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
That that when you meet Cody, it's like an instant
respect yep of he's gonna shoot straight. You may love it,
you may not like him, but at least he's gonna
be consistently honest with you. And I think that's what
drew me to really enjoying Cody was. You know, I
do this goofy job where I.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Talk to people all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
People put on shows they're supposed to they're entertainment. But
with Cody, it's very consistent. Yeah, and I very much
appreciate that. And you spent time with him out I'm
assuming he's like that on the road too.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He is, man, he is, I mean, and I think
that you can tell that from his music. Man. I mean,
he does not ever record a average I mean, they're
all great songs, you know, like all of them, And
I think that's just it's a he's been doing it
for a long long time for for a long time,
(22:02):
and for him now to be the star that he
is in mainstream is so good for country music.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
When you come to school here and you go to
Belmont and you meet your she's now your wife.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Did you have a bunch of classes together? How did
that relationship start? We had one class and uh, I
was a good student. She was not. How does she
feel about you saying that she's fine with I mean,
she's one of those that she doesn't have to try
to get okay grades. I had to work my butt
off to get okay grades. And then in college, like
(22:36):
you know, like it just kind of clicked and I
got the good grades. But she would ask me for
answers for stuff. So yes, she would cheat off of me.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Was it sort of romantic while she was cheating off?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Now?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No, she was like, I am here for one reason
and to pass his class?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And were you letting her cheat because possibly like she's hot?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Kind of yeah? How would you not? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At what point did you guys start to turn a
scholastic relationship into something that's a little more non professional.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So she was at Tin Roof Classic how it always
starts right in Nashville. She was at Tin Roof and
Travis Tritt's crew was there, and she had known them
for a while and was good friends with them, and
Travis Tritt's kid named Tristan. He came up to her
(23:31):
and was like, oh my gosh, I just I found
this guy. He's awesome. You got to hear his music
and he plays me on on his phone on YouTube.
I think to her, and she's like, oh my gosh,
I know that guy. No way, I need to call
him real quick. Some you didn't set that up.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
No, no, some dude goes up to this girl that
you're letting cheat off of you, that you're helping in
school because she's cool and she's pretty. You happen to
have this thing going. It's not a thing again, it's
a scholastic thing. But to you, you're like, she's awesome.
Some that she knows that you don't know takes a
video of you and goes this, dude's awesome. Yes, yes,
that's the greatest story I've ever heard. If that's true,
it is one.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And then she calls me because like, hey, like, I
know it's been a while, but you need to come
down here and so the bar, Yes, got it? And
I'm not that kind of guy. I was in the studio,
home studio making music and I was like, ah, gosh,
I do not want to do this. I'm like right
where I need to be. Turns out, going out to
(24:29):
the bar is sometimes where you need to be. And
I did that And what was that night? Like? He
was actually like, yeah, did she was?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
She like kind of interested in now because there was
a different side of you she saw.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think she really just wanted me to meet them,
and it's like, all right, got it. She's still thinking
about I knew her heart as like dude, you have
a pure heart and you want what's best for me,
And it's like that is just an easy It was
just a very organic way for her to be my manager,
(25:03):
and then through that we fell in love. Like a
few months later, did you feel when she was managing you,
because again, you didn't start dating right when she started
managing No, no, but did you feel when you guys
started dating that you needed to hide that for a while? Yes? Yes,
you know. I was a twenty four year old new artist,
no labels deal, no publishing deal, no agency, nothing, and
(25:27):
she was a brand new manager, didn't have any employees,
just new people in town. So we were like, hey,
I think for people to know that we're for real
and what we're trying to do, let's just make sure
that we keep it professional. And then we announced us
(25:50):
going out for the first time when she was pregnant. Surprise.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, so how pregnant though, I mean large? Okay, so
that and this is my question and I was gonna
get to this. So she's like, she's pregnant. You know,
she's pregnant, but she's not dating anybody, So what's that
story for the first five.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And a half month.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Honestly, I don't even know, dude, immaculate conception.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I think I think she told her good friends. I
told my good friends and my family obviously, and her family,
But honestly, I don't really even know how people didn't.
And I think a lot of people thought that we
(26:38):
were going out, yeah, even before she was pregnant, just
because it's like, all right, these two were always together,
they've been together for two years, they're both young, you know,
but yeah, we announced to the world that one we're
dating two, We're going to have a child in three months.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a lot of now, yeah that's a big announce Yeah,
a lot of likes on Instagram, it's a lot of
it's a lot of double analysis.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah yeah. So and then what was like having a baby? Awesome? Man,
it's it's it was. It was the best thing that's
ever happened to me. And you know, I've always been music, music, music.
If I'm not spending my time creating music, I'm wasting
my time. Having the child totally changed that. Whereas if
I'm not with him or creating music that's going to
(27:28):
help him, then I'm wasting my time. And it gave
me a new perspective on creating music, which has helped
my music, which is kind of you don't really think
that those two things go hand in hand, but man
they do. And he is the man. I love, love
love love being a dad. It is awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
The interesting thing about your baby, and I'd not seen
it with another baby before, but when he was born,
he had a beard and long hair, and I never
see on a baby.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I just knew it was your kid though.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
With the eagle, yeah, yeah, I was like, that's the Hey,
that's Ian Skid.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You can definitely tell there.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So all the all the munsig boy, what's up worth it?
What's the music still? Do you ever get back together.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And play around? Man? Yeah, we get together a few
times a year. I always try and throw them on
at least one one gig a year. But man, they're
in Wyoming. I mean they all three live on their
own ranches and they don't really like leaving. I wouldn't either.
(28:32):
I don't like leaving. I don't want to go anywhere ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, and you're probably where it's like you probably travel
so much.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, that's when I'm home. I just want to be homed.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, earlier I just felt you and you said I'm
kind of the party pooper. But it's when you're always
having to be at the party, I know, or throw
the party.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's the real thing. The last thing you want to
do is go to another party. Yeah yep. Yeah, So
it's like I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I never want to be gone. I've gone so much
doing that. It's like when I and be home, I
just want.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
To be home. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, do you have how's playing these shows and playing
a bunch of show at night?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
How's your voice man for me, I have a high voice,
so uh, I'm not one of those guys that can
like drink and smoke all night and then be even
cooler in the morning. Like I have to like drink
a ton of water, drink tea every night to make
sure I get eight hours asleep. It's kind of like
(29:27):
my whole world really revolves around my voice, which is
good for my health. Honestly, like it, like it, like
it makes me want to take care of my It's not.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Always convenient, but no, but Matt macro, yes, it's definitely
good for you.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You know a friend of mine that are singers or
even lead singers of bands, and not even people that
I'm friends with me they have more of a responsibility
because let's just say you're in a five bands, say
you're in cold Play. Well, Chris Martin, he can't get sick.
He can't lose his voice. Where the other guys they can.
You hope they don't. But the show goes on. If
there's not a keyboardist or you, all your guys are
(30:03):
depending on you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
And if you go out and stay up too late
and don't get enough sleep, yeah, the voice goes and
so there's a real I think it's pretty fortunate that
you're lame. Then that's that's how I feel about waking
up early in the morning. I'm very fortunate that I'm
lame because if not this, that this would have been
brutal for me to wake up this or.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh gosh, yeah, it's helped me take care of myself,
and I'm jealous the people that don't have to take
care of their voices. Same but at the same time,
it's the macro thing, like.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You said, yeah, music growing up what because again it's
this kind of juxtaposition of a cowboy versus somebody who's
I would assume you're a millennial or gen z right in,
like okay, yes, almost you're a millennial.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah yeah, So here you are.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And you got that mixture of cowboy which I think
classic country, which I think all of those influences of
even not even Nashville country, like some of that California
stuff like one.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But then also, yeah, had streaming.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Music, So what was it for you that you would
listen to all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay, So, being the youngest of three boys, CDs were
it for me and my brothers had those huge albums
you know that that you'd with the four on each side. Yeah.
Uh so stealing my older brother's albums was Blinklin eighty two, Sublime,
Eminem Tupac, System of a Down. Those were kind of
(31:34):
the main ones. And dude, those albums I just wore
to death. Yeah those are those were really the main
influential artists of my teens. And then when I moved
away from Wyoming was really when I was like, oh
my gosh, like, I need music that can make me
(31:56):
feel like I'm back home now. So it's always that escapism. Man,
Like being on the ranch. It's like, all right, yes,
I love the country music, but I want to feel
like I'm not here, you know. And then you leave
and it's like, oh man, I wish I was back home.
So the grass is always greener. And that's what I
think I've tried to hone in on in my music
(32:17):
is to make people feel like they're in the West
three minutes at a time, even though they might be
on the East Coast. So I think escapism is what
is a thing that is incredibly magical about music.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You had music built into you, like you said, there
was a culture of music that we all had, the
escapism type of music because you know, Blank One, a
two punk band from California, California, right, mike' whre they're
from from Okay. So but what music was there that
you had no choice? Because we all had those two absolutely,
and there was a lot of gospel records going up.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I had no choice. I just knew them.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
I didn't want to listen to if I had to choose.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But that was the built in musical culture. Yeah, what
about for you? For me, it was Merle Haggard Ian Tyson,
those were kind of the two. But my dad being
a musician and a really good one too, I mean, dude,
he can play jazz music. I mean he's all over
the place. He's a freak. So there was just a
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ton of music. Man, there was all kinds of music
in my house. Where did that come? I mean, it
was just naturally. He said that he took piano for
two years when he was like five years old, didn't
touch the piano until he was twenty two, and then
he said that had just clicked and then he could
just play all this stuff. It's like, how does that
even make sense.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, that's like somebody waking up after a wreck and
speaking in a British like I don't even understand how
that happens, like whatever is happening in the body.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So, but some of that had to come down to you,
I think. So yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I'm nothing's easy, especially being great at anything. Nothing, nothing's
easy to be great at. What to you, though, do
you feel like you take naturally to the most.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Honestly, man, my ears like hearing the chords hearing can
you hear a chord? Inate it? No? No, I'm not,
that's what I heard. I don't have perfect, perfect pictures. No, no, no, no,
that is a curse, not a blessing. I always, in
terms of writing, melodies come very natural to me, and
(34:36):
melody first times, most times, most of the time. Yeah,
And if it doesn't have that, then I don't want
any part of it. It's like like, if you're going
to do that, then just write a poem, you know, Yeah,
like there has to be a good melody.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I write a poem, loser, that's what I say.
A melody called a poem, idiot, that's what I say. Uh,
So I don't I don't want to say that I'm
just being cool right now, white buffalo?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What is it? What does that mean? So? In Native
America culture, it is a omen of good things to
come in.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The future and return. Really, so if you see one
to the old days.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yes, like an opposite of the black cat, that's yeah,
that's exactly right. Yes, hush, green grass. Plenty of animals
to hunt, that's what white buffalo means. Would anybody own
a white buffalo and.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Like just strategically drop it off places because that would
be legit, Like you hire a white blow that didn't
have Okay, I don't want to scam, but I know.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
A lot of people have them. Really, the lot of
people there's more than three. I get tagged and stuff
all the time. That's like a white buffalo that was
just born on a ranch and this guy is so cool.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Is it supposed to be super good luck if you have,
like a white buffalo is born to you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh yeah, big time, big time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I always heard I people see a dog taking a dump,
it's good luck.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Oh gods should drive by you ever see that? I mean,
you ever hear that? That good luck?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Like if you drive buying a dog's in mid dump,
like that's supposed to be good luck.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, hey man, now I know, but.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
If you see a white buffalo taking a dump, that's
that's why get a lottery. Take Yeah, so white buffalo
obviously it means something to you personally. He told us
what the actual meaning is. Why take that and personally
put that with your brand?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Man? So I had I had that idea for a title.
So we wrote it. And after we wrote it, I
remember I played it for my wife and she's like,
oh my gosh, that needs to be the title track.
And that's kind of what sparked the idea to do
the documentary and to really incorporate Native American themes in
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our branding and all of that. And man, it just
there's a certain spiritualism that goes hand in hand with
the part of the country that I come from that
I think people are so attracted to, and it's the
land and the animals, and that is like the perfect
icon to encapsulate those things.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
If you go back a few years, your last maybe
your last I may mess this up, so tell me
if I do go from a memory here, but coyote cry, Yeah,
uh okay, so that was that?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Why was it?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Coyote cried then white but yes, okay, so okay we
go we got another animal? Yeah, I already cry what's
up with that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
That? That is a lyric in my song long Haul,
and Long Haul was was kind of the tune that
this is my first gold record. It introduced me to
a lot of people in mainstream country music, and it
was a lyric in that. So like I always had
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the idea of like, Okay, that could be a cool name,
and then I was like, I do this howling thing
to quite a bit to my music. So it kind
of like is like a wink to that as well.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
The howling thing is like almost like Jason Derula, it's
kind of you know what that is I do?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, of course, of course make it sure because it's
not another one or another. Yeah, it's like you're you know,
you know, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, man exactly. You're
going out with Lanny Wilson. That's pretty cool. Yeah, Wade
and beast crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I know, dude, I still have right down the road
from where I live now in Whenever. Blanco first before
the Get Up Blew Up, there was a video of
him and Laney doing the get Up That dance and
went viral. And they were dancing the parking lot of
their record label. I texted Laney, I mean, she barely
had a deal, and I was like, hey, will you
come show me how to do this dance? And she
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so she came over to the house showed me how
to do the dance, and so I got a little
crew over to shoot us doing it because it was
going a boy. I thought it be funny to do
and I was like, Lanny, do you want to get
in the video? And She's like, Nah, nobody's gonna know
who I am. There's gonna be confused if I'm in
this video with you guys.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Wow. And now how many years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Eighteen? Okay? Yeah? Five?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, I mean not that I mean, but really in
the grand scheme.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh dude, yeah, not that long ago, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And to see somebody like her and what's crazy? And
this is how I'm going to get it back to you?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Is that again?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I've known Lanny when she was just from Arkansas. She's
from Louisiana. She had a very thick accent. When it
was just hilarious that her accent was so thick and
she was lady and that's just who she was. But
now to see people be like that accent's fake. Yeah,
she's putting on yeah, like no, yeah, none of that's fake.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I've been knowing lady for a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It wasn't fake then, it's not fake now. So but
somebody who has again, her brand is so much who
she really is.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Same with you.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Do people ever go come on, dude, oh yeah all
the time like you faking it a little bit, especially
now where the cowboys are cool and like the whole,
like the Yellowstone thing, it's like, oh my gosh, like
you you're not really from a ranch in Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's like, dude, all right if you don't think so they.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Start talking to Australia and then be like it, don't
tell you what, ud I imagine because again you're so that,
but you're so naturally that that people have to question
it because you're so good at it.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Well gosh, I don't yeah, I don't. I don't know, man.
It's a just being from the state of Wyoming. There's
there's nobody else in country music from there, Like have
you met anybody from Wyoming? Well? Funny as because I'm
gonn to give you a bad answer on this one.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I played Frontier Days with Toby Kei and yeah, so
it was there were a bunch of people and then
we were next to last and Toby was was right?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Was right? Then we got long ago? Was that three
four years ago?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
And so I'll see if can gets with the artist
is And so we're playing who was Chancey Williams?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
No, ned La Yes, isn't it ned La dou?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And so ned was playing a couple of spots in
front of us, and we were just talking about Wyoming.
And so when you said that, I think you're right.
Nobody that like has super crossed over that, like general
public would go Wyoming. But I cheat, I was there,
I played it.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know you were in Wyoming. Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, it's it's kind of cool being being from markets.
A lot of people that my state's pretty impoverished and
there's not for me. There's not a lot of people
that have the resources to get out where Wyoming is.
You guys have your own culture that's in port. You're ranching,
You're like what you guys do that it's different than
being impoverished, but that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Culture is not to get out.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No, it's freaking an awesome job being in YEP and
so it makes sense there's not a lot of people
that are like Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, dude, I mean I was. Of my classmates, I
think two or three of us aren't in Wyoming anymore,
you know, so, but we only had a class of
like thirty people. But so that's kind of a high percentage.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hey, uh eh, but I went to small school too.
My whole school kindergarten through twelfth grade with six hundred people.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, that's pretty small, but yours a had to be
that size. Yeah, ours was high school was one hundred kids.
You're smaller than Yeah. Yeah, well how was you like?
Would you go back? Let me change it up. Would
you want your son to go to a small school? Absolutely,
because because oh man, I could go on and on
and on. Really, people are just good people. The smaller
(41:56):
the group is. I would definitely agree with that too.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, pac mentality makes people, we mean angry.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
See in politics, Yeah, dude, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
The the more people fall out into their group, the
less they are of the person they are, regardless of
the group, because they feel like they have to maintain
the identity of what that group. I said, their identity
needs to be. Oh yeah, the small school that's good.
What was your school? Like, where's your mascot? We were
the Eagles, of course you were. Of course you were
the freaking eagles, t.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Birds and then the Eagles. When you get the high school.
Oh you like boy Scouts, Cubs Scouts, boy Scouts, Birds, Wolf.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Were the slow Yeah that was cub Scout's boy all that.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, I was a Cub Scout. Didn't quite make the
boy Scouts. Did you make it? Uh? What's the highest
that you got in the Cub Scout animal? I think
very high, Tiger. I don't even remember.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I was trying to get those badges though, and that
was this point I couldn't get a cookie badge and.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
They're like, that's the girls Scouts and I was like.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's the one I wanted. I want to get. I
want the freaking cookie badge.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Man. What the schools in Wyoming like where you went to?
Where they were?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
They a long ways away? Like travel a long ways
for away games?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh dude, yes, I mean over mountain ranges, prairie. That's
so cliche and awesome and it's kind of brutal yeaheah, yeah,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Did you guys have like area rivalries like your range
sucks all right, you know your mountains blow?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah. Our rivals were on the other ends of the
Big Horn Mountains, which is only like an hour away,
but man, just hated each other. It's like, dude, we
have the same mountains, and it's like we're in the
same area. And then you get to be twenty eight
then friends. Yeah, you're like you grew up together the
whole time.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, So we think about Nashville. I like it, man.
I think that this is the only urban area that
I could ever live in. Music being the common language
really helped me move here and just meet people very
quickly because you could speak that same language.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, you could be from la I could be from Wyoming,
and then we could just jam and talk for hours
and hours and hours, man. And that's that's another thing
that's so cool about music, man, is that it brings
people together. If you're touring a lot, can you write
a lot? Right? A lot? Yeah? I am not very
good at that. It's honestly the opposite half of the
(44:23):
brain in my opinion, Like one is like all eyes
on me, all eyes on me, let's do this thing.
Let's make sure that they leave thinking that that was
the best energy that they've ever had on stage or
in a room. Whereas writing, it's like, all right now,
how introspective can I be? Don't want anybody to be
listening to what I'm doing, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So just have a couple things. I want to make
an analogy here and see if you feel the same.
But for me, you know, I grew up a certain
way and small town all that. Then I get here
and there's a long, slow process to me. But I
had some big success and then things started to go
really well for me, where I can kind of get
back in touch and remember the things I'm supposed to remember,
(45:06):
or when I go home, yeah, or when I get
on the road and get to actually talk to real people,
uh huh, because in this town real people. Yeah, And
so going on the road is good for me. I
get tired, but going on.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
The road and just hanging out with like people that come.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
To shows or going home, because like, that's who I am.
And sometimes it's easy not to forget who you are,
but for it to kind of slip out of your
creative conscious and I'm often reminded of that, and I
do that purposefully.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Do you ever go home for that reason. Yes, absolutely, man.
I try and go home for a couple weeks out
of the year, and every single time I do that,
I have just this am your AMMO of titles, ideas, lines,
melodies that then I come back to Nashville and write them,
(45:57):
you know, And you.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Keep a listening to your phone of all your stuff,
just constantly updated. Yes, like song titles that you've never
gotten to but you still think one day.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I get them in there all the time. And every
time that I have a write the coming up scheduled
that I always go through it is like, all right, now,
which one of these would work the best with these
writers here? You know.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I have a list of like jokes and like funny
songs that I want to write, and some of them
I just and I'm going to ask you if you've
ever had this happen to you. But sometimes I just don't.
I'm not on the right path to create it, whatever
the correct version is. Sometimes I write a joke and
I'm like, that's not it. I write a song and
I'm like, man, I don't want to write this whole
(46:39):
song and do it this way because it doesn't feel
like I feel like this way can be done better.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And this is so stupid compared to your stuff, because
you're as good.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
But like, I have this idea and I've tried to
write it a couple of times, and I wanted to
write the hardest sing along song of all time, meaning
people love to sing friends in the place this sweet Caroline.
I want to write the hardest sing along song of
all time.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
See that's hard concept.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well, the song is called Plural Murals, and I've tried
it and it's not I get it to a place
where I'm like, that's only C minus and it could
be the stupidest idea ever and it may never come
to something. But Plural Rural Murals the hardest sing along
song of all time. It feels too important to me
for it not to be.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Perfect, just perfect.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Do you ever have a song like that where you've tried,
you know, you've tinkered with it, But I can't you
stop laughing on that song you need You just can't
invest it into that because it's not right yet.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Man. Yeah, I have a tune called more than Me
Had I put out on White Buffalo, and it took
me two and a half years to write it just
because it wasn't right the first time we did it,
it wasn't right the next time that we did it,
and then I was like, all right, I'm gonna take
it home and I'm just gonna work on it for
(47:50):
like a year, And that's what I did, and then
I brought it back into the right. We got ninety
percent of it done, I was like, all I still
not quite there, and then like another few months went
by and then finally we get it done. Man. But
there's no rush man, I mean, you know, there's no
rush on art. And there's tunes that I've wrote in
(48:11):
an hour that have more streams than that one that
took me two and a half years. Right, So it's
like there's no right or wrong way to do it.
I've heard that song. It's no plural rural murals. It's
pretty good plural rural murle exact sing that mirals. It's
possible murals, murals, murals, murals, mural, but we have a
(48:33):
different rural murals murals murals, no murals, But I haven't.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
I mean, no, no, you may be saying it right, Mike,
how do you.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Say it murals murals?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, that's but he's not saying like you say it
how am I saying it?
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Murals like you're saying it, murals, murals you're not saying.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
See and then everybody be like, Okay, well, like a
couple of minutes left here. But I'm a fan, Like
Gator said earlier, I'm a fan because anytime you do
something that other people aren't doing, they're either going to
be resentful of it not understand it, so then they
don't get it angry at it because they didn't do it.
(49:16):
Like there are all of these reasons you shouldn't do
what you do. Yeah, absolutely, and for someone like you
to just go, this is what it is. And I'm
not only making it like I'm here, I'm fighting for it.
I'm putting all my time and effort. I'm not changing.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
You could have easily altered your whole essence thirty two
percent and still been the cowboy but a little a
little less western edgy. Yeah yeah, and had a lot
more mainstream success way earlier. I firmly believe you could
have done that, but you didn't. And what's awesome is whenever,
(49:50):
because it's it's freaking killing right now, but whenever it
pops so hard, you're going to own that space.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Thank you, and that's what's going to be great about it, man.
I mean, I just I don't think that that artistically,
I could throw myself out there and know that it's
not me, because if it did blow up, then I'd
just be acting for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It's like, that's the life. You get a lot of money,
Why would you want to do that? I agree, I
don't either, but I'm never gonnat a.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Lot of money. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
I think it's so cool what you're doing, how you're
doing it. Thank you, and that you'd still keep doing
it if you knew you were never gonna be oh yeah,
oh yeah, entertainer of the.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Year, you'd still be like, this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
If I'm living at home, I'm gonna do it absolutely.
That's also where the best freedom and best joy is.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Too, which makes the best art. And that's really all
I want to do, man, is make music that I
want to listen to.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, I like I guess I don't tell jokes or stories
I don't want to hear. I often get annoyed with myself.
Look good for you for making music, you like. I
think I would hate me. I'd be on the radio,
or i'd be he's playing that theater.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I'm not going to that, but good for you. That's
I need to do. Then do stuff that I would like, Yeah, dude,
of course, dude, I will say I saw your last
too much access.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Oh yeah with the volleyball or the yes, oh god, yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
The volleyball that I mean, that's the content that you
would want to watch.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, but I look like an idiot, and I like
to see the other people look like idiots.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Volleyball is hard, dude. I mean, no matter how athletic
you are, I suck at volleyball. Then I can jump high.
But dude, like, I just I am absolutely horrible at volleyball.
So to watch you like.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Like an alley like, I'm appreciate you. Okay, it's enough.
I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about that. I
feel like I get picked on you and junior high.
You have social anxiety at all?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
No, no, man, like, I'm always I'm a very chill guy.
Man Like I could be the dude in the corner
that's just having a personal conversation, or I could be
your right hand man, or I could go on stage
and be the artist.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
What a wife if you're just sitting around, how do
you feel?
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Then I have a hard time just like hanging out
and not doing anything. And I think I get that
from my mom because she's like hardcore cowgirl, like needs
to do like everything always.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
But if you're like relax at home, yeah, butt naked, Yeah,
everything's so relaxed. You have something on TV, like everything's
just perfect. Does your speech impediment still show up?
Speaker 1 (52:25):
No, No, it's weird. But around my parents it's like
really bad. Why that is? I don't know. I don't know.
And even with you here, like I thought that it
was going to be kind of bad because I was like,
oh man, this is a big interview. I'm nervous. But
it's been like probably eighty five percent fluid. It's been
(52:45):
pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah yeah, so it's like I'm pretty warm amazing though,
just warm up and you know, just be cool.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
So I just never know, man, And.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
You're true most people most people douchebags. Yeah, we're deally to.
That's not okay. Here's what I want to say. We
talked about long lift cowgirls before you came in. Uh,
why Buffalo is out now? And you guys follow Ian
at Ian munsick and I'll say this, You'll see him
and you'll go that dude might shank me.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
And he might. But I'm telling you, like, I like you.
I would go play basketball with you guys. Oh, come on.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
The only reason I haven't gotten to play so far
has been you. And I was like, I don't like
that guy. But now I'm gonna go. I'm terribly afraid.
I do a lot of physical stuff now with shows
and stuff. I'm terribly afraid I'm gonna tear the now,
I'm gonna get hurt. Yeah, you see, Kane built his
Kane Brown built his new his gym.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
It's insane.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, it's so awesome and like this in the dumbest
most awesome way, like because Caine likes the ball.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah, and so he was like, screw it, I'll just
build it. It's awesome. Is it like an indoor court
with life like like the like the hardwood floor and
oh my gosh, spot too much.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
But yep, dream he's got like a gym, you know,
Like that's amazing. It's amazing, all right, look and I
enjoyed you man. Yeah you're freaking awesome. Tell your wife.
I Hello, I don't know her either. But again, I
see you guys on social media, and I figure that
of the two, I would like her way more than you,
And to be honest, I still feel that way, but
I like you a lot too. All Right, buddy, all right,
(54:11):
you guys follow Ian at Ian Munsick Long Lived Cowgirls
the song you guys, go stream White Buffalo, and if
he comes to town with Laney or himself.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Go check out a show. It's what you're doing to me?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
Is I just like it when somebody knows who they
are and they go after it even though it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Thank you, all right there, he is
Speaker 5 (54:28):
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