Lauren Watkins (@lauren.watkins) is one of those rare artists who actually grew up in Nashville. She sat down with Bobby Bones to share her experience of growing up in Music City and the struggles she faced trying to break into the music scene and why she feels it's hard to play in Nashville. Lauren went to Ole Miss and details how the SEC influenced her music. She also reveals how nervous she is to be opening for Morgan Wallen in stadiums on his tour this summer. Lauren has been described as having "barstool charm" and opens up about what she thinks that means. Plus, Bobby has a big surprise for her and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I had this title. When I came up with it,
I thought, this is great. Somebody's totally gonna like this.
And I remember I went in to write. It was
a group of writers I didn't know that well, and
I throughout the title as an idea and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Say laughed at me.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I thought you were kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yeah, Episode four thirty nine, Lauren Watkins. I became a
fan of Lauren threw other people I'm a fan of.
She's like such a cool singer. Didn't know her, so
this was cool for me to bring in somebody who's
a new artist who I'm a fan of, I think,
and then they come in and I'm like, oh, yeah,
for sure, Like she's super cool. Follow her Lauren dot
(00:40):
Watkins on Instagram. That way you can't even go see
what she looks like. But I swear she just got engaged,
like the day after we did this. Yeah, is that true?
As we're recording this four days ago, she got engaged?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Huh? It was it great before or right after? It
was right? I think it was right after we had.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Her on and I was telling my wife how cool
I thought Lauren was because we invited her on this
to do the Million Dollar Show, which she did the
next she did cant soa yesh, she wanted to do it,
but you'll hear that whole you know, back and forth,
and I was like, yeah, Laura Watkins, she's really cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And then I was like, well, she just got engaged
to bring up to you crazy. Yeah, So a little
bit about Lauren.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
She's got two EPs, the Heartbreak and introducing Lauren Watkins.
She'll have new music out this year. But there's a
song Anybody but You that's really good. She on the
road now is Connor Smith. She's, you know, a Nashville girl,
but she didn't grow up in Nashville music. She kind
of grew up as a Nashville normal kid. Her sister
is a bit as a songwriter. But she went to
(01:34):
Ole miss she graduated college. She did marketing communications. I
mean she did music young and she'll talk about that.
But then she was like, you know, I'm just gonna
go live a normal life. But then she she couldn't resist.
She needed to come get some of this. I don't
even know what this town is, but she's awesome. She's different,
she's edgy, but she doesn't try to be Lauren Watkins again.
(01:56):
Lauren dot Watkins on Instagram or Laura dot Watkins on
TikTok and she will be playing the Million Dollar Show
with the Raging Idiots coming up April third. I always
like to bring new artists and she's one that I
was like, man, I gotta bring it. She never played
the Rymand, which is super cool. We did that with Laney. Yeah,
she never, you know, played the Rymen or anything. We
were like Lanny Wilson and I said, I'm gonna believe
in you and I'm gonna make you a star and
(02:17):
look good a happening. And look what happened all because
of me? Not not all right. Here she is Lauren Watkins.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Lauren, it's good to meet you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I texted you last week and I'm going to keep
names out of it, but I've been a big fan
of your music and you're writing for a while through
association because people would just talk about how h some
of the words refreshing, how bad a you were like
things like that. People that I trust, people that I know, Yeah,
one of them being Nicole. I've known for a long time,
(02:47):
both as a songwriter and as an artist. When I
went and hosted the Today Show for a week, I
brought her with me and was like, come perform on.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The Today Show.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So like, I genuinely think she's awesome. And when somebody
awesome says that somebody is awesome, you give them a listen.
So you come very highly recommended. And then I would
just listen to your stuff. And one of my friends
hit me up, and you know the story, but just
for my listeners, won't say the friend is. They said, hey,
I'm looking for somebody to do a song with. Immediately
you can online, even though we never met. I was like,
you got to call Lauren Watkins.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And he was like, what's the number. I was like,
I have no.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Idea, but I'll figure.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was like, I've actually never met her. I only so,
but then you.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Know, I got your number and I remember texting you going.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hope, this isn't creepy, not at all. It's like you
know this, it's popping up with just a number.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You're like, sorry for the random sorry for the random text.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I'm not creeping here, But like, that's how much even
before we get started to expect you as a songwriter,
but even as an artist, like your sound, because I'm
sure and I'll start with this before we get back
to the end of the depth of who you are.
I'm sure there have been people because you do have
a bit of a different sound sonically vocally, like it
is a bit edgier that some people may be like,
(03:54):
I don't know that little a little aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Ya does that happen to you at all?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah? I think anything that's like a risk. It's just
anything that comes off as a risk like scares people.
And to me, it's not risky because it's just like
who I am and it's just the way that I
sing or the way that I write.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So I just try to think of it as that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And yeah, it definitely can rub people wrong, but I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Your accent is definitely a Southern accent. But did you
grow up here?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I grew up here.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
People that grew up in Nashville either don't have like
it's like Iowa, or they don't have an accent, or
they s well for markets. Also, I have an accent,
but I've had to get rid of a lot of it,
or they sound like they're from Tennessee, which is you do?
I yeah, did you live in the city or were
you in like the rural part of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I wouldn't say rural, but I wouldn't say city either.
I mean, you know how it is in Nashville. People
like a lot of times people outside in Nashville assume
that you live like on Broadway, you know, and I
just grew up in the suburbs.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Did your parents grow up in Nashville?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
How did my mom? My mom grew up in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And my dad is from Mississippi, so that's probably where
some of that because half of my family's there and
then the other half is here. So they went to Ole, Miss,
met there, and you know, my mom was like, we're
not going back to small town.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We're going to Nashville.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
An Ole, Miss couple.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Huh, an Ole Miss couple.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I've been, and I you know, I'm from Arkansas
and I've been to all Miss a bunch of times.
And the Grove, you know where they tailgate before games,
and it's very it's very like southern fruitfrew.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It is it is.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I don't really take you as fruitfru And I'm not
saying you are because your parents are not there, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, it it definitely the grove. It can definitely be
fru through like there they people have for anybody who
hasn't been, Like it's just the tailgate spot, and people
come and they pack their they packed tables in tents
and people will even put.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Chandeliers in the tent.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It's the craziest scene.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's wild, the flexiest, richest tailgate I've ever seen, but
purposefully like it's part of the culture and you don't
even hate on.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It because you just know that's what ole. Miss.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, it's just it's tradition, really, like it's just tradition.
But it's also like fancy rednecks.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And I've learned, even with myself, if you give a
rednecks some money, weird things happen.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They're going to do different stuff with it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, you're average person. So did you yourself got all miss?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So you're uh legacy?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah is that what they're Yeah, I guess I'm a legacy.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah. How did you like your experience there?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I would do it one hundred times over again, Like
I really really did love it. And I was kind
of like I was one of those kids that like
it was just in my blood. I grew up going
to the games, my parents, my dad especially as a
diehard ole Miss fan. So is his dad, and I
just knew I wanted to go there. My parents had
such great stories of just college and what that was like,
(06:44):
and I never questioned it. I I literally never considered
going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It was always in your mind that you were going
to go to Oxford. Yeah, what's the drive there from here?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Though?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Four it's like exactly four hours.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That's just not annoying enough.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, it's so easy. So it starts going five. It's
a day like it's it's a travel day.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
What did you study?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I studied marketing.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And did you really study with the idea of a
something in marketing or were you going because you wanted
to go to ole Miss. Your parents went to ole
Miss and you were going to get a degree, but
you really wanted to do music.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I had no idea what I wanted to do, and
I didn't know I was going to do music. I
went kind of with basically, I mean, I grew up
playing music. Me and my older sister grew up singing together,
playing gigs. She started writing songs. I kind of watched
her do that. Didn't know if I could do it,
but I just thought, oh, that's cool. I guess it's
possible to do that. And when I was a senior
(07:35):
in high school, I was kind of like just ready
to get out.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I was sick of it here.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I liked growing up here, but I was done, like
any kid in their hometown, I like to say. I mean,
I was just I was over it, and I was like,
get me out.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Knew I wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
To Ole, Miss And also the truth is I had
music was a hobby for me. It was I just
loved doing it. I didn't think this is going to
be my career. Probably a lot of that was fear.
I was scared of doing it alone because I'd always
done it with my sister. And I also had grew
up watching her story, which was just totally different. She
(08:10):
was like, you know, kind of the classic. She signed
a publishing deal, write out of high school, went to Belmont,
stayed in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like she was hardcore.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Doing that from the get go, and I kind of
thought that was the only way. For whatever reason, that
made me think, all right, well, I either skip college
and do music now, or I go to college and
I can never do music again. So I just thought,
all right, well, I'm out here. I'm going to college,
whatever where life takes me. And about two years in,
it was this pull that was always kind of there,
(08:40):
and I would just ignore it. And eventually I think, like,
what you're called to do is always going to just
take over everything else, And so eventually it got too
strong for me to ignore. And I knew that as
soon as I was graduated, I was coming back to
Nashville Music.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
She's two years older, Okay, so not like she can
give you sage advice. She'd give you advice because she's
got two years on you, but it's not like she's
fifty two.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. No, we're in it together in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And so when you left, because she had done a
lot with you, I guess she wasn't emotionally as dependent
on you being a part of what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, she had she had been
because a lot of what she was doing with songwriting stuff.
She kind of tried the artist thing for a little while,
but her main gig was songwriting. That was really all
she wanted to do, and a lot of it she
was letting me tag along for out of just the
goodness of her heart. She'd let me get up and
sing background vocals with her, and then a lot of
(09:34):
stuff we just fully did together. But no, she was
she wanted me to stay like she she she wanted
me to but I wanted to do. But she also
knew I wasn't gonna stay. I was going to go
to college, and so she wanted that for me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
The music part in your family, did her get the
bug or did your parents pass it down to her
in some way?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, they're not musical at all. No, no, people always
ask that just.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I guess being from Nashville, but we had no idea what.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The music industry was when we were growing up. I
have music musical people in my family.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
My grandmother and her dad were both so good on piano,
just had a very natural musical ear. Never took a
lesson in their life, couldn't read music, but just could
play anything. And then I have some cousins that sing
and write, but nobody who was really going for it.
Where we got any sort of taste of the music industry.
It was really my older sister who started kind of
(10:30):
getting out there when she was like thirteen.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And why did she Where did that come from in her?
Did she have friends around that that was doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think we just all I think, well, the two
of us just loved music, so and when you grow
up here, it's not like we're rounded by people doing it,
but it just seems that possible.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That's a good point because a lot of times, even
myself included from a very small town in Arkansas, and
nothing seemed possible because nobody did it anywhere. I didn't
even know a person who told jokes or yeah was
on the radio on TV like that was Hollywood, that
was new where you can grow up the same socioeconomically
as me here, but you literally can see that it
(11:07):
is almost a tangible thing that people get.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And you don't have to be a superhero. You just
have to work hard and be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And so I can see where being from Nashville would
actually be an advantage there because it was something that
as somewhat attainable.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
As a kid. Did you ever go to school with
any kids that were in music or their parents were
big music.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think I probably did, but I didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I think some kids probably had parents who were big
shots in the music industry and I just had no.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But it wasn't even such a big deal that people
didn't know them as that's cool.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well that's also pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, it was normal. Yeah, and you're so right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Like like you said, when you growing up in Arkansas,
you probably were going I have this passion and this talent.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I know it's in me, But where do I go
with it?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And who do I ask questions about it to? Yeah,
because nobody. You just went to work at the mill.
You went to work somewhere near you didn't even leave. Yeah,
but here it would have been cool. I always wanted
to live in a big city growing up, because you.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Just have resources. There are tall buildings, and in tall
buildings are people that are mould decisions. That's how I
always associated it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
When I moved to Little Rock, they had like three
tall buildings, I was like, I'm here, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I did. I'm in Little Rock.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So being here, did you like country music or was
it you there was country music?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So you didn't like country music?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I loved country music. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I liked country music way more than I liked the
town itself. And I don't know, I guess that comes
from I mean, I guess the love of country music
just comes from it being everywhere, but also there were
kids in Nashville that hated country music.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Sure, they're so close to it, you're gonna hate it
or love it. Yeah, and probably you're going to go
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Totally yeah, which I always loved it, but I vividly
remember because when you're so like tunnel vision, I just
didn't know that. Wow, there's people that don't like country.
And I vividly remember this girl. It was like close
to summertime. We were like in eighth grade, and she goes,
she was like, it's getting warmer outside. It's about time
(13:08):
for country music season. And I was like, huh, what.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Like I had no idea what she meant by that,
And then it dawned on me, Oh, there's people that
only listen to it in the summer.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That's so weird. Couldn't be me.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So they can put on shorts and cuts, which I
get that.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Cosplay Yeah, yeah, cosplay country but which I totally get that,
but not me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I listened to it all year round, and I don't know,
I just love it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Did you do music at all? Mess at all?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I that was kind of one of the things that
made me want to come back to it so much,
is that I missed it? Like I I was always
everywhere that I lived, you know, every different apartment I lived.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I always had my guitar with me.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I was always playing every day, singing in my room
every day, or writing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But I wasn't performing.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Did people know you as Lauren the singer songwriter or
were you just Lauren but you also secretly kind of played.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
In sand It kind of knew me as this girl
that because.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You would do it with amongst friends.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, like my roommates would get me drunk and talking
into playing in our living room. And but what was
cool to me about it was before when I was
in Nashville, I kind of was always known as Lauren
the girl who sings with her sister, which I love that,
but I knew I could do it on my own,
and so it was nice when I because when I
(14:25):
got to college, nobody even knew I had a sister
at first. Everybody just knew me as Lauren the girl
that sings by.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Herself, which is I like that refreshing when you came back.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Is your sister still here?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, she's a songwriter in town.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And did you feel like you had to still establish
we're different or you were just gone for four years,
so you weren't first first her sister. You were first Lauren,
this girl who wants to pursue music and write, and
then oh she's also the sister.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think we both at first, like when I came back,
I think we both at first felt a little bit,
felt a lot, little bit like, Okay, we got to
make sure we have a good amount of separation, but
we knew we wanted to work together because I mean,
she's a killer songwriter. I mean, she told me so
much that I know about songwriting, and she knows me
so well.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So we just write good together.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So we kind of just had to figure out a
balance of how much can we work together while also
having sure separate.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Didn't want to change your name though, you don't be
like Lauren Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, no, no no, but some of.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
The guys do.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
His dad's famous, like Bob Son, Jacob Dillon forever. He
wouldn't go by Dylan. My dad is actually Bob Barker,
but I changed it to Bones because I don't want
be able to know that I like it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean, I just feel like I'm so do you
know Bob Barker.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Is okay, so totally missed.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I thought she was just playing along with a bit,
but then I realized she's in her twenties that she
might us know Bob Barker is Price is Right?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is your name not really Barker? Yeah, it is Bob Barker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Wait my name? Yeah? No, no, no, I'm Ryan Seacrest.
Bob to me, Bob Barker was the host of Price
is Right, the really old guy. Okay, yeah, and he'd
be like spaying newd to your page.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now what's terrible is I have a Price is Right
T shirt but I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And my name is Bobby Bone.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm a man, I know, but I thought you were
saying your name. Originally was just something.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That I was Bob Marker's son, but it was a
terrible joke because it's way too I could have made
a mister T reference.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But your real name is Bobby Bone.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No, my real name is Bobby Estella.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And I used to I don't know if you're serious.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, I am serious. And you Mike Voucher certificate. Well
I used to not say it, but my wife, sure
this goes by.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
She was like, I'm not going by Caitlyn Bones.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Because Bone is kind of stupid anyway, and she was like,
I'm just gonna go by my real name.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I'm not going by your stage name. So we got married.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
My wife's quite independent where it's like awesome ninety three
percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so sure.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Her name is Caitlyn Estell and so that's her name.
People just go, oh, that's your real name, Like, yeah,
it is. So it's all out there because she was
just like, but she also wanted to change our last name,
meaning not not take it, because I was like, you
can keep Parker, that was her maiden name.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I'm all for the movement. Stay, you will be married,
but you can not change your name.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
She said, no, no, no, because you know, eventually when we
have kids, we want them to have not the confusion,
but my name. Because we're from Arkansas, they would always
say it all right. But she says her name Caitlyn
Estelle and I'm like, that's not our name.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But she's like, yeah, it is to me.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
My name.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
My name is Kaitlyn Estelle.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's her name, nol.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yes, she's I was like, you can't change.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
My name, and she said, when you talk to people
that you don't know, this calling like credit card companies,
you say Estelle so because it's spelled that way. But
my name is Bobby Estell, but to her it's Caitlyn Estelle.
And I'm not Bob Barker's son. And you didn't change
your last name. This is for the separation. But luckily
your name is pretty common, so people won't assume every
Watkins is Yeah, I mean, does do you guys still
(17:52):
bounce ideas off each other? Is there any sort of
competitive and that's like fun competitiveness with me?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And yeah, I think there's healthy competitiveness, but it's also weird.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I mean, I'm hoping that we have.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So much success together as much success together as we
do outside of each other. But yeah, there's a healthy competitiveness.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It's fun for the first time, and I'm sure you
are way graduated into a great mental health space that
I've ever been in. But for the first time, in
like the last year, I understood having a healthy jealousy
and a healthy that I actually rooted for the person
and also was still a little jealous, but I was
actually very happy that they were achieving. That to me
(18:35):
was tough, major breakthrough for me because I think everybody,
let's kill them all.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I'm the only one.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And I have to if I because if somebody else
has it, I can't have it, and that means I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Not good enough.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, I got hey same.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I finally have a friend that I his named Charlemagne
and he works in New York but he does huge
things and I'm like so happy for him, but IM
still a little bit jealous. Yeah, yeah, And it also
motivates me. And do you and your sister have that?
Does she have that towards you now?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
A little bit?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Probably? I think we probably both have a little bit
of it. Like it keeps you moving.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean it's the same that we have with all
of our other really close friends that we write together.
Like I think you all it just keeps you moving.
But the thing I like about and this is not
to be like a everybody wins answer, but I really
like about Nashville is it's so collaborative that you kind
of can't succeed if you're not willing to be like
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to work with other people and be happy for them.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You know that part. I know people want.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's really hard to do, but I've just kind of
had to learn that that, like, well, you really can't
make it here if you can't figure out how to
like people and and fake it route for them or a.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Police fake it.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Hang ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
What is your perfect environment for a rite? Do you
like starting at nine am? Go nine to two?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Or three? Do you like two? Three? Like, what is
the perfect environment? On your calendar? You have a right
and it's like, this is what I like lately.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I like retreats, which means you leave down and yeah,
I get to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's just nice because I usually am on retreats with
people that I'm really close with and it's just nice.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
There's something, so.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I can't really explain it, but I feel something when
I leave Nashville.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, all the distractions of home here.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yes, So it's not there's eighty three things that you
could and should be doing if you're here. That's like
little things, yeah, errands, Yeah, but you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You're fully removed from it and you're focused on one thing.
And like you said about the whole competitiveness, I mean
there's something to not being in one room over from
somebody who you feel competitive with, Like it just kind
of adds a stress to the building.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Whether anyone will admit that or not, it's true. It's
tough to be around people that you're working with and against,
and you know, it's just it's nice to just get
away from all of it and you're not thinking about anything.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You're just with your people.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And there's a lot of connection when you're off and
out right, you're able to connect even with the people
that you're with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, a lot more.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Do you like to go on these retreats for you
as the artist or do you go for you as
a writer for other artists?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
What are you mostly doing?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I would totally do that because I just love to write.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But lately I've been doing them for me, like just
writing for my projects and getting songs for.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Me Nashville only. What's the perfect right? Give me the
time you like to start, and we won't say the time.
You can't say fifteen minutes later, but let's say it's
a tipical like nine to two or not, Like, give
me a five what five hour window would you like
to write?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I like to write at eleven, which is very, very standard,
but I like it. I don't love to get up
at the crack of dawn. I like to get up
at seven ish and get a good workout in before
and take my time showering and getting ready, and then
show up to write. And then I feel like I'm
the most clear headed.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And also.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Everybody is, so everybody feels so different differently about this,
which I think is interesting. But I like to have
almost a cutoff time, not a cutoff time where you
feel like you might not finish, but eleven to let's
say four, that's plenty of time to write a song.
And then after four I can do my meetings and
interviews whatever else I need to do. Some people like
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to do the opposite. They like to get all that
out at first and then do the creative at the
end of the day, which I totally get that, and
I would actually I would think that I would be.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That way, But for me, it's hard. By the end
of the day, I'm so beat.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
My mind is I can't I can't like like create.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I also have for me a deadline at times if
I'm a little too passive or I'm not feel I'm
just like I'm not feeling anything. If I have a deadline,
I at least will take something that I'm kind of
feeling and run with it. And sometimes that get traction, yeah,
and sometimes it doesn't. But I feel I'm like you
where I like to have that line. I'll schedule things
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past that line that I have to be done because
it at least makes me commit to something and not
waste the full freaking day going I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Good enough, I'm not funny.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yes, so what's the overthinking?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Because it has to otherwise you just spent a whole
day wasted, and you have somebody with you working and
you wasted their day too, and then.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're all frustrated because you didn't get what you wanted.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And do you keep notes in your phone for ideas constantly?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah? How many?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
How many times do you go to your phone a
day to write something? Not a song, not a later,
but just an idea?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
A few, sometimes none, and sometimes five times.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It just depends on the day.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But it's funny that you say that, because I've been
trying to, like my New Year's resolution kind of is
to use my phone less.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I have no.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Structure it doesn't count, though.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I don't think keeping organization in phone does not count
as using your phone.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, if you're on social media, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But the reason I say that is because I thought
I was just thinking of ways that I could just
leave my phone and not touch it for a certain
mon time, and then I thought, ideas, what am I
going to do?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I must have it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I can't bring a notebook with me everywhere I go.
I mean I guess I could.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't want to do absolutely not want to.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah I have. Do you keep yours different? Organized differently?
And I'll ask you why because I have, For example,
I need a look I have. I keep a list
of the lies. I just generally that's good for a
couple of reasons. One, I tried to not lie as
much if I'm embellishing a story for creative if I'm
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like really entertaining, and that's a bit different. But sometimes
and the example that I've usedcause I don't really lie
that much in the past week and a half or so,
it's pretty great for me. And the last I was talking,
I said, Hey, I talked to this person. It turns
out I didn't talk to them. I just texted with them,
and I was like, that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm going to write it down. I hear you.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
But I felt for the dynamic of the story when
I was like I talked to them, I felt like
I was misleading them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So I wrote it down.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So I have all these I have like lies i've
told because I I'm trying to lie less and I
think about it more. If I know I have to
write it down. That's even if it's a lie, that
doesn't matter. Yeah, So I have the lie list. And
then I have bits that I think are For example,
like I have this paper roxisors thing.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't lose paper broxisors. If I do one hundred,
I might lose two.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You I'm great at paper rock scisors because it's like poker.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I can read.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Not going to ask to test it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, I don't like absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And then I have a thing like Morgan runs the
podcast Network and it's like get this person to Morgan.
But and then I have a whole thing on bits
that I want to do. And then I have something
about Harry Houdini. I was reading about him. I have
one of my friends that wears a cowboy hat but
he's not a cowboy, and my thoughts on that. Then
I have a song idea when so I have all
these different do.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You're pretty organized structure?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I have to be, because if I'm not, there's no
organization whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's a tornado.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Okay, how do you organize yours? Or is laugh it
all down and go back because then I can't remember
why I wrote it down.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I've tried to organize.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I've tried to separate it by title versus line, idea
or concept, but it never sticks. I ultimately I literally
just have like right now, my my song title list
is called December Ideas. I don't know why it's called December,
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it's February, but that's what.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I've been really have changed the hand and I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Just actually like And then the one before that was
called like new ideas, Like I'll just come up with
a list until I get tired of it and I
don't like anything on there anymore, And then I started
a new one. There's no rhyme or reason but titles.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What did it take to delete something forever that you
never got to? Well you ever?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Finally I'm such a list guy, and I like to
black everything out when it's done. I like to so
I'm very like control freak about if it's here, I
got it.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's so why I set the deadline on time too.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I can be that way too.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But it's hard for me to delete something forever if
I felt like it was worthy of writing it down
at one point, will you ever just go, I'm this
is stupid.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm never gonna get to it. Delete.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I've totally done that, but I've stopped doing that.
Stop doing that because Nicole is somebody who told me.
She said, never do that, because you don't know when
you might look at it on a different day and
it hits you totally differently and then you go, oh,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And that's happened before.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Also, I had this title that I thought was When
I came up with it, I thought, this is great,
somebody's totally gonna like this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And I remember I went in to write and.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I it was a a group of writers I didn't
know that well, and I threw out the title as
an idea and they laughed at me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I thought you were a kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I was like, okay, anyway, I was just kidding, guess,
so I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
About, well, I guess I'm never going to write that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Then a year later I brought it to my friends
and I was like, so I got laughed at for
this idea, but I think y'all will see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And they loved it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We wrote the song and it's so good and it's
gonna come out eventually. So I'm not gonna say what
it is. But if I would have deleted that, then
I never would have had what I do now, and
I thank god I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, you just think songs find the right people.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
To be written with, Yeah, and probably a bit more
comfortable with your friends to go. I was laughed at
for this, I'd like to share it, and if you
want to laugh at me, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
My feelings much Yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I had thrown my whole phone away, they had left
me and have been like, well, not just a little insecure,
I'm throwing this whole thing out of here, anybody, but
you it's all.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love it, thank you, it's all.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Why why that one? Because it's not like you have
seventeen albums out there. You have to be very selective now,
you have to be with the music you release when
you kind of launch yourself.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Why that song?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why did I release it?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah? Why did you select that?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, it's just so college and on that EP
specifically pretty much all I was so fresh out of
college when I wrote. I think that that shows in
a cool way.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Two EPs last year.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Right, The first one was, you know, just trying to
introduce me and where I've been and what I've been through,
and that just felt so right and part of introducing me,
because I mean a big part of me is the
fact that I did the whole SEC school experience. That's
so many my life experiences came from that, you know, Whether.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like it or not, that's that is a huge
part of me and my songwriting. And so oh do
not like it, right, Not that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I wouldn't like it, but just that that's such a
small part of life, Like that's such a short period
of time. But truth is so my like huge heartbreak
or just life memories came from that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I mean, I still love it. I still love it.
I'm big SEC. I've been doing it for forever.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It's my favorite thing in the whole world, like we're
going to raise my games tomorrow, you Knowville.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But yeah, You're like it's a small part. I feel
like I lose it.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I'm on my phone out the room now because you're
like I did my four years and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But I'm like, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, I don't mean all.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean like I'm still like I'm I'm so fresh
out of that like that. I mean that was only
two three years ago. And to me, it's like these
dramatic years.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Which did you live in the dorm at first?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Yeah, everybody not stay in the se outgrow the dorm quick.
But for me, that's where I met even my friends
I have today me too.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
What was a dorm like for you?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It was fun?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It was your co ed no is.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
We had basically two the ones that I lived in.
It was one building of girls and one building of guys.
And they were neighbors, so they like connected at the bottom.
It's like when you'd come home, like you'd run into
people in the lobby, but like up in the room.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Because they go up to the rooms were they supposed to.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know. I think that they could like during
the day, but there was like an hour there was
there were hours for it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
We couldn't not name they could. I never had a girl. Yeah,
I think girls knew I lived in that dorm when
they stayed away from the whole building.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yes, it was like North and North Magnet where it
was like pushed them away.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
How long were you in the dorm?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Just a year, just freshman year.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And then and then I moved into kind of these
little condos. There were really a bunch of townhouses where
I was in a sorority.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
And so this is an ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I don't know if this is everywhere, but Ole Miss
does this thing where they like sorority will kind of
not buy but like get a deal with like a
like a condo complex or an apartment. And so all
the girls in that year, like this year it was
our sophomore year, we all lived in these condos together.
So I was living with girls in my sorority, which
was really fun.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby cast.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I wrote in my first book. But how I got
to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I was a little out of control for a while,
not partying, but I just never had access to anything.
And then all of a sudden, not drugs not not
not coke, not not that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, I'm following, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Just like, okay, girls, I'll just say it.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can be honest.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And I never had nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
But when I got here there, I had a like
two years that I finally I was just like, man,
I don't I went hard.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Was school like that? Do you was all mess like
that for you? Or did move into Nashville? Are you
doing that now?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
That's a good question. I was definitely also very sheltered
in high school, like I had seen nothing. So when
I got to college, it was such a culture shock.
And so I definitely had fun in college, but I
wasn't like I just I had fun all four years.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
We'll just say that, like I really said it enough
right there?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I did.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, And so then when I came like I've been
back home for what two years now? I guess ish,
I don't know whenever twenty twenty one was is when
I moved back.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
All years are now void because I don't know what's whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
But now like I kind of I kind of got
the partying out of my system and I'm slowing down now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I spent all the money on going on lots
of dates and I'm done too. Yeah, never thought I
was gonna get married. I met my wife, And.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
When did y'all get married?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Two years?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So it's been years.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, we wanted to celebrate you moving back to Nashville
by getting married.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Totally right around I could feel it. Yeah, it was
right around that time.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I was reading an article about you and they have
said something about you.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It was a weird term. It was called like barstool chice.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I know what you're thinking of, and I think of it.
It was the barstool charm.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
That's what it was. You had a barstool charm, and
I didn't know whether.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I don't know what that means. If you're gonna ask, I.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Don't know what it means either, And I could look
at it and both ways, I think barstool charm. Barstool
would mean one of us normal, yeah, cool related, but
it also yes, it also.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Means more of that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
What did you did you read that? Have you seen
people call you that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No, no, I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
So what did you take that as?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I wouldn't have said bartol charm, but I didn't know you.
I still wouldn't say barstool.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think a lot of my songs are set in
a bar, and maybe I'm able to make it seem
more charming than it really is.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's how I took it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I kind of I romanticized.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I would have found that super negative anything about me
I turned super negative.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Good for me.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, how can this be a good thing?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, you're like the heartbreak for example, that is not
a positive thing. And that's the whole the name of
the whole product, the project there that you got to
be pretty vulnerable to even talk about heartbreak and did
a second ago?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
How hard? How easy was that?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And then especially if people know you're singing about them,
like how wait say that again?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Is multi layered? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Hold on, if you're the whole song about having heartbreak
in general, or you have you have a project, it's
called heartbreak, That heartbreak had to come from root. Yes,
So first of all you have to talk about it,
and that that is like here I'm gonna open my
ribs up. Here's a vulnerable Yeah. But then it's the
person that maybe broke your heart also getting to do
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a victory lap because I get to hear you singing
about it like that. To me, my ego wouldn't allow that.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No, I get that.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, And honestly, those are all thoughts that crossed my
mind at some point, but just kind of went in
one of the other because I'm just like, whatever, right,
these are things I got to get off my chest.
And Yeah, but I also the songs are probably about
lots of different people, not just one.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh, I completely agree with there's a lot of different people.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Then there's like she wrote, lots of people doing or
they're wrong and they think it's about it's not and
they're telling them.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I kind of like that though, because it's sort of like,
I don't know, it's kind of funny if they think
it's about them and it's really not.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
See, I would be so, why do you think that's
about you? That's why I wouldn't be good. No, there's
a lot of reason I wouldn't be good a songwriting.
But that's the part where I would really struggle, was
like to give somebody else like a little bit of
shine where they were.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I totally get that, and you know, I guess what
I'll say to that is my songs are for They're
more for the people that i'm singing too, rather than
people i'm singing about. So those people can think whatever
they think. M m, but I just try not to
care about it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Have you written anything ever and then someone heard it
and you guys weren't good and they heard it, they
were like, you know what that spoke to me?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And then you were good again.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh like a guy.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Sure it could be a it could even be a friend. Okay,
like like some dude.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I've definitely burned bridge. Yes, if there was a bridge left,
it was burned with the songs.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
But you didn't burn it so bad. It kind of
rebuilt itself. No, yeah, good for you, I don't think
so good for you.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
What's the most unexpected place that you've played, Like, difficult
to play because you people weren't even really paying attention.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh my gosh, that's happened so many times. You know,
I'm gonna say something that could be controversial. Nashville is
tough to play.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Oh hey, this is going to really be controversial. I'll
get a lot of hits on that one. Yes, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Know you can probably like understand that's sucks to play.
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'll see.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I hate playing shows here because I'm gonna say a
bunch of mean stuff, so then it doesn't make you
look at it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, so I'll cover for you, but then you follow me.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I hate playing shows, and that I love the people
that live in Nashville are that come to my shows.
I hate planning shows in Nashville because there are two
things that happen. One there's this like, all right, impressing
me expectation because I don't perform it all. I'm on
the road all the time if I'm doing stand up,
and so if I'm finally doing a show here, it's
people that just like see pictures on it and they're like, okay,
well let's see how good you really are.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, that vibe exists. First of all, there are peers.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
That finally want to come out and go like, all right,
well let's see what you got that competitive yes, and
then you want to hear something back from it, and then
it starts to be unhealthy. And then it's also like
ten hour meet and greets with everybody who you know
and that live here that want to come and see.
So Nashville is the worst place to I love Nashville
and the people, but for the industry, it's hard because
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it's not just going to do a show for people
that want to be entertained. It's also going to do
a show for people that want you to prove your
worth of crap and worth.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, and that to me is why it's hard for me. Here.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You've said it best.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, I literally that's everything I'm thinking you just said.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Like it hurts me as a native because I mean
when I was growing up, like I said, I had
no like foot in the industry. I didn't know that
even existed. So when I was going to concerts, I
was in the front row screaming my head off, not
caring about who was there or whatever. I just wanted
to be there. And yeah, it's tough. Now it does
feel like everything you just said, it's a lot of
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people just try to be too cool.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
And the thing is.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
That people this is funny, like the people who matter,
and by matter, I just mean like like kind of
the big shots in the industry, like people who are
really like I don't know if the people that you
want to impress, they're not really trying to be too cool.
They're just they're doing their job, like like there to
cheer you on.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But it's the people that are like insecure.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, and I'm insecure, and I say that from an
insecure place. I'm not insecure in that way, yeah, but
I'm too. It's definitely a place of if somebody else
roots for you, or somebody else says why you're really good,
that must mean to them that they're not.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I struggle with the same thing, but in different ways.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Oh same, So there are probably peers of yours or
any artists. It's at a show and it's a little
bit jealous, but can't be healthy about it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
It's hard. And I also think people like even as simple.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
As yelling out during the show, yelling and screaming, cheering,
people don't want to do They're scared people are looking
at them. Oh who's in the room, Who's going to
see me look stupid? Yeah, And I a lot of
my songwriter friends and I love to protest against that.
And we'll go to our friend shows in town and
just be the biggest fans because that's what you want.
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I mean, you work so hard, you're on the road
and and and you then you get so excited to
come home and play a show for your your people,
and then it's like that and.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's sort of sad.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
My one of my best friends is Brett Eldridge. We're
like best best friends. And again this is a two
part story. We don't get to see each other perform.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, he's on the road. That's it. That's something never.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Do we get to seach. And so like one time
in the past two or three years, he came to
one of my shows. Because otherwise, if I'm here, it's
like one weekend day a year, and it has the
time just right.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So he came to one of my my shows.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And then he does his Christmas shows at the Rhymen,
and so I went to the Rhyman to watch. I
gave him like nine standing ovations and people were looking.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
At me like, what are you doing.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh, well, he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I would stand, but I would get other people to
come up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And there was a point where I felt like he
looked at it. He's like, I get a dude, Yeah,
I get it. I gave him, I gave him some
solid but I was I just thought it was so
cool and my wife for you for doing that, Yeah,
because some people don't. We were sitting there with a
bunch of people in the industry, and then if you're
in any other city people we'd be going nuts, maybe
going crazy. My wife had we had been hanging out
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with brutt you know, once a week, twice a week
for three or four years, very close.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
My wife had never seen it before.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Really.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, I knew his music fine, but yeah, never seen
him sing in real life.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
For a birthday every year, he'll.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Sing at dinner he does, like Oklahom song from Oklahoma
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But she'd never seen him.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And my wife's funny and she she will cut you,
but she'll be honest. You know, she's always gonna be
It reminds me of you a little bit too, just
how I feel like your music is like I feel
like when you're singing and you have a message, like
you're being honest about it, even if it's uncomfortable. Yeah,
And my wife is like that. And so she was like,
I hope this does not feel douchey, And I'm like,
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what do you mean.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
She goes, I've never seen him sing.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
I only know him as this kind of if he
comes out and it's duche, I don't know I'm going
to do because she'll tell me sometimes that joke wasn't
good or that, And so he comes out for and
I'm watching her and then she starts crying and she's like,
this is so good.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I did She was like, I did not.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I didn't know that version, but she was like so
happy and proud for him because she saw him in
a different like his element, Like you said, so what
you're pulled to do?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
But then even she was like, man, these people should
be going a little crazier for you than they are.
But yeah, that's the town. It's a bunch of it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's just the too cool.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's people being too cool. But I just try not
to let it. It gets to me, but I try
not to let it because then I don't want it
to affect the show.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I get too tight too.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
If I'm like trying to impress people that I think
I should impress, I'm not as good me either. If
I'm so focused on being perfect, I'm not I'm not
gonna be great me too, because I'm so dialed in.
I got to do it just right to be perfect.
And then there's no spaonity, there's no freedom minutes. Yeah,
how many shows? Because I know you did the Morgan walling,
that's that's massive, by the way, it's like huge.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I don't know how I got there.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Well, no, I could guess how you got there, because like,
you're really your music's great. As a songwriter, you're great.
You guys have it's just awesome. I think you deserved
it for sure. And when I saw it announced, I
was like, that's awesome. I would I don't know her.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
But.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
That is such a big That setting.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Is large, totally different.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
There's not really been a middle middle ground for like
you've played shows, but now it's like, we're gonna go
do some some stadium.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, it's I am. I'm so excited, but I'm so nervous.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm being honest, I mean, and yeah, it's just totally
different than what I'm used to. It's funny because I
played a couple of shows with them last year in arenas,
which you know, not stadium but still.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Huge, massive, But that's a huge jump, right, because that's
the major leagues.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yes, because if there, I I just like, I think
the biggest The biggest thing I noticed that was different
was I've been playing clubs right now, so you know,
smaller rooms, but they're packed and people are right up
on the stage, they're literally you could you can reach
out and touch them sometimes so they'll hand you your
their cell phone get you to take a picture. But
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with arenas or stadiums, it's you're there's a level of separation,
and those guys that do it all the time, I
don't know how I think that. I guess you just
have to learn how to kind of how to still
connect when you're separated.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
But I'm so new, I don't know I'm learning there.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
The bigger we were in Tallahassee yesterday.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
We were doing a sports show that I do, and
we were shooting some footage with a Florid State basketball team.
But we had been Eddie and I, my friend and
my comedy music partner. We had played the Florida State
football stadium like four years prior before COVID, and it
was super cool for us, and it was really large,
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and I remember I ran around way too much because
I thought, since it's big, I need to run every
futilize and I was out of breath the whole time,
and I remember thinking this is not I don't need
to go touch everybody, literally, But I really struggled with
the largest because I feel like I need to do
more to be larger.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And it was the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And I probably was terrible because I couldn't breathe the
whole time because I thought I'll just run and have
all this energy to equal the size of the place.
And then another thing was I would get distracted because
if a place that big, everybody's not going to be
paying attention.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah. Well, and especially with comedy like that would be tough.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
To I mean, we're doing music comedy there. When I
do stand up, it's different.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
I don't only make it out their seat, but music
we're playing football stadium and people are going to get
beers and stuff, and I'm insulted.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
No, I totally get it, but I shouldn't be insulted.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
That's part of the.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
It's part of the thing. But I get it. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I will say with with a.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
With a room that big, it's harder to notice people
leaving and moving around like this.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
The opposite.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
You notice in a small room there's only like a
club or a small theater, like I have everybody in
my vision, right, you.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Kind of focus on the Yeah, well, nobody.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Can do anything that's so small. I see anybody on
the room I look around at you. People do not
try to find people leaving so I could be sad. Yeah,
I think that's what I do. I hunt sadness, so
I try to find Oh, yeah, I get it. I
was talking with Kip Moore once, not on air or anything,
and he was like, how do you And I'm not
the guy to ask, but he's like, how do you
deal with if people don't laugh or seats are empty?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And I'm like, not, well, like not at all? And
he said, well, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Because he got really mad because some guy wouldn't look
up when he was playing a show, or like wouldn't
get off his phone. And I don't know if you
know a Kip at all, but keeps a very emotional guy.
And Kevin I definitely had our run iNTS early in
my career here, but then we kind of got each
other and now we're great.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And I said, sometimes there's people that look like they're
enjoying it the least are the ones that actually are
loving it the most. We don't all react the same
way with two things we enjoy. And I said, I'll
look at people's four heads to because I don't want
to see people laughing or not laughing because I don't
want to judge how I'm doing based on their mouth,
because I don't laugh when i'm watching it. If something's funny,
I'm like, that is funny, or you're kind of like
(46:36):
but and I think it's really funny. But I'm not
slapping my leg. But yet I expect everybody to slap
their leg.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
So I look at four heads and I kept like.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Two weeks later, he's like, hey, man, I just did
a show somewhere, and he goes, this dude would not
look up. He looked like he was having a miserable time.
He said, did this dude end up coming back after
the show? And I was like, why would you want?
He's like, man, I almost cried.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
It was so good.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And the guy that really mad at because he wasn't
paying attention.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
He was, he was just doing it in a way.
That was how he communicated.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, you're so right. That's I probably should think about
that more because I'm the same. Like for me, it's
like I want people to cheer after the first chorus.
It's like when you hear the hook or the first time,
like I want cheering and when I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I'm like, I'm terrible and I.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
People some people just they show it differently. And I
remember one time I was playing I don't remember where,
somewhere in Georgia, but it was this tiny, tiny crowd.
There was barely anybody there, and that's awkward, Like it's
tough to play.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
When there's nobody there. You don't you don't, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Too much connection, too much.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
You don't want to freak people out.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
And where do you look because if you look at
any one person and there's and then you end.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Up accidentally looking at them the whole show because you
just feel like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I've got someone, and then I have to like tell
them I'm.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Sorry for being creepy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
But there was one at this show. I was this
one guy like this like big dude. He was like
probably in his in his fifties, Like he looked like
a dad, and he's like this big old guy, and
you know, he was sitting down the whole time, and
after like a chorus or after a song, I like
saw him go like he like nodded in approval, and
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that was like that was the best thing to me, because.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
That something about like a big guy not showing.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
A marketing somebody that shouldn't be convinced.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yes, I felt so, and then the rest of the
show was like that is all that I wanted.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Uh, your sets when you go out and you're so
you'll be with Morgan?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Who else is on that? On your show? Who's doing
that like that?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
There's a lot of different there's a lot who's.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
After they changing that up to.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, it'll be for most of my shows, it's me,
Nate Smith and Bailey and then Ernest sprinkled into some of.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Those is always sprinkled in ye.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, but for me, that's the main lineup for my shows,
other than like a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
And how will you will you played thirty How how
long do you play usually on those Morgan.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Shows's gonna been twenty five and thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
That's a pretty good per I mean, that's that's a
good amount of time for Affert. I know obviously you
want to go into an hour and you do your
own club shows. I'm sure you do eighty minutes whatever
it is. Yeah, how do you decide what you're going
to do in the super efficient set?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, well it's really hard because I it's like I'm
when I play with my band, I love to, like
you said, I love to play an hour, even forty
five minutes, But when you're in an arena that size
and nobody knows me yet, I want to be digestible.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
You don't want to go.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
It was the perfect amount of time where people still care,
and then you go over that and it's like, all right,
who's next, like we've we got it, and so I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I try to.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I mean, honestly, the songs that are streaming the best,
I'll definitely do the songs I know people have heard
and that like have they've been reacting to the best,
But I want to sprinkle in a couple new ones,
so it'll probably be like, I mean, twenty five minutes
for me is maybe six songs.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
The good thing about the new songs of if you're
an artist that most people aren't familiar with yet is
they don't know the difference in new and yeah exactly.
But if you're like an artist that has and you're
throwing new ones in, that's hard.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
That's when it sucks.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, I can I can get away with sprinkling one.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Or two because you want to always do new music. Yeah,
but I think Garth is the best I've ever seen
do that where he might play one, but he also
has to hit It's Garth's not the same as anybody else. Yeah, however,
but he just knows people came to hear the songs
that they know for the most part. Yeah, it's true,
and there's very few Like if John Mayer plays new stuff,
I usually like it because I'm just such a big
John Mayer.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
His fans are that he has that kind of crowd
where they are hanging on every word they want to.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Or Casey if I would love to do anything new
from her and if.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
She's doing like a song, that's But most artists, if
I'm just a semi fan, they do new stuff like
uh get bored.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, I mean it's just a fact. Yes, it's true.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
What do you start with?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Start with Fine County Line?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And then is that every show or we switch it
every show?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Typically every show start with that?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Why why that one?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
It just has good energy and it's out people have
you know heard it by chance? So just has good energy.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's like a fun song to start with, and it
gets my band loves like we just get it gets
us in a good place.
Speaker 6 (51:05):
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Speaker 3 (51:19):
Who's been with you the longest of your band?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
The longest is my guitar, Wade?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
And how long has Weade been with you?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
A little over a year.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh, that's fifty percent of your time here to go back,
I would.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Say that, yeah, No, he's he's been my tried and true.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah awesome.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Does he handle the awkward stuff for you? If it's
an issue with somebody that he goes and.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Takes care of it? You mean likes of the band? No?
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Like?
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Oh I too.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
If the drummer's fighting with the basis this is a hypothetical,
who handles it?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's a great question. I'll be honest. My band they
love each other for now, they do yes for now.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
But even people that love each other get in fight.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I would say the mediator would probably be my bass player.
He's very even keel, he's cool.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
I could, I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He'd probably be the mediator.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I have tour manager or Eddie. Hey man, I don't
want to go fight with him. I need you to
go yes at this point, And also, like I only
have so much.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Energy exactly do you need to be creative and be
able to.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I say that I could, I could do it, but
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have much energy for it
anymore either.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Do you know what would be fine? I don't know. Morgan?
We should Morgan, you met Morgan earlier.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
If your town on April thirty, should come to the
Rhyman and play a couple of songs in our We
do a show once a year, a million dollars show.
We haven't really announce wh's lineup get announced? Okay, so
it'll be already announced by this okay, So Nate Smith,
Sam Hunt, John Party, go ahead, Morgan, who Ian Munsick?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Go ahead? Edwin McCain from like the nineties. Nah, it
will be your crying shoulder, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I do, Ben Rector, Matt Carny, Matt Harney. So who else? Oh?
Meghan Maroney?
Speaker 2 (53:01):
What a lineup?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:02):
I inspired all them to be who they are, So
they come out and we do. My band and my
band Eddie and I are the two. But we have
basically awesome session players because we do so few shows
as a full band. Yeah, but every year we do
this big show for Saint Jude. If you're in town
and don't commit yes or no here because I'll think
it's we're just doing a bit anyway, So I will
(53:23):
not allow you to commit. I'm just gonna text a
Cale because she text.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Me a minute to go.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
It's be like, hey, I invited Laura to play a
million dollar show. If she wants to come and do
a couple of songs, you are invited to come and
play a couple of songs in the rym and it'll
be sold out.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
My gosh, I've never played the rhyme before.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
That would I'm not letting you commit or say no,
I'm not even be in town.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Let me say, let me no. I don't even want
to hear that. You have our tour calendar.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Website.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Oh I was gonna, oh no, where is it in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
The next night though, Yeah, that's what we drove the indie.
I don't know me we can.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Make this world on.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Let me let me text Nicole because she like she
literally just text me. I know she's not the person,
but I just want to put it on her. No,
she yeah, no, Radar, because this is not a bit
it's my point. This is not a bit. Anything I
do out of this circle is not a bit.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Okay, Well, I'm honored that you would ask me about.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Hey, Nicole, I'm sitting here and we're talking about life,
and you know, you.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Know how I do. And Lauren and I we're about
to finish. We've done in an hour.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
And I invited Lauren to play the million Dollar Show
this year with us at the Ryman on April third.
I told her she can't say yes or no to
me right now because we're recording, and I feel like
it was a bit regardless of what she said, So
I'm gonna leave this with you. I'm recording this too.
By the way, that's there she is. That's the real Lauren.
And I know she has a show with Morgan on
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the fourth, but it's April third, and the million Dollar
Show this year is Megan Maroney, Sam Hunt, John Party Carney,
director Nate Smith, Ian mun Sick.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I don't know if you get anybody, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
We would love, we would love for Lauren to come
come and play two songs with us, So you guys
can have that talk and let me down easy if
she can't. Although Indianapolis is not Hawaii. It's not that far.
But okay, cool, all right, thanks by all right.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Oh my gosh, Okay, I'm not gonna say anything.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
But send it over. We can call her afterward.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
But I just don't want you to be like yeah,
then you're like I had to say yeah. It's like
when someone got when someone.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Get from pressured in saying yes.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah. It's like the kiss cam. You don't want to
be kiss cam.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
We're like, I got to kiss the dude I'm sitting
next to because the kiss cam put it on.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You're like, it's a pity kid. Yes, well listen if
I if I can make.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
That work, I would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Thank you for it, seriously, thank you that that would
be that would be so awesome.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
So if she says yes, though, soon we have to
add her to the page.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
We we just built the image. We just built the image. Yeah, no,
rush though.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
What's the what's kind of the structure of the show?
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Is it? Like?
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Look, so what am I.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Going to get into it?
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Just whatever you want? The structure? That's Mike Quirk. Yeah, Morgan,
can you hop on Mike the structure?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Honestly, it's out of my curiosity that works.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Can we have so have full band on the rheman
and the band never leaves, but it's like a seven
or eight piece band.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Morgan, we go.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Ahead, Oh, Mike doesn't work now okay, now it's on.
Now it's off, Now it's on.
Speaker 5 (56:17):
Okay. When we make the ask two different artists, we say, hey,
we're going to have you come play two to three
songs with our house band, the Raging Idiots. They can
play either boat songs or one song. You could play
so loo acoustic on one, but it's pretty lightlifting.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
And then we'll have a.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Rehearsal day that you could show up to if you
want to.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
But the band is so good, we don't. We don't
even deserve them. The band is so good, they've been
so loyal. It's Brett's drummer. It's Ryan Medora, who's like
rights for Bassis magazine.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
It's like a really great group.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Well that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
You're more than well in our band. You just slide
in and out. It's this instant changed my first time
at the Rhymn. It's still Bret's rummer the year or
do we change it?
Speaker 5 (56:57):
No, same drummer.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Well, listen this is awesome. It's really cool to finally
meet you in person. Like I said, I've been a
big fan of your just how you do your music.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
And I was talking, I was actually talking, oh like that.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
I was actually talking with a friend of mine about you,
and he was going through people and was like, what
about this person? And this is after I'd said your name.
He just wanted to run people by me as well.
And I said, I think the difference in Lauren and
the two or three people he named, and all were great.
So the difference is I had to invest a bunch
of time with them to realize, yeah, I like them,
(57:37):
but I'd have to invest that much time with you
because I felt like your voice, not just your singing voice,
but like your voice, who you are, what you're, what
you're saying felt so authentic and a bit edgy that
it felt so real that I just knew I liked
your sound and what you were saying immediately.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Thank you, or I would have known I didn't like it.
But I think that's where it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
is this not being out?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, well, thank you?
Speaker 3 (58:03):
That is.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I mean, seriously, that's the biggest compliment to me. That
is that is really really sweet.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
And I wouldn't recommend you to a friend if I
didn't think you're awesome totally.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
I know, I know you mean that and you're you're
so genuine and I really like I'm a fan of
yours too, So, like we were.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Saying earlier, say that, and I don't believe that. This
is a bit, this is a bit. Don't do the bit.
I don't want to hear the bit. I don't want
to hear this bit.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
I was going to make a great point, but go
ahead and make a great point, but not about me, because.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I won't believe.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Okay, Okay, Well, I was going to say, like earlier,
we were talking about like being in Nashville and when
somebody who you have been a fan like approves of
you and says, hey, I believe in you, Like that's
so cool, and I mean, you're one of those people
for me, Like there's so many which I'm sure you've
felt that too, with other people, like where somebody approves
of you.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
Only one, a new artist named Eric Church, and I
believe done it from the beginning. He was the only
one that I know. But yes, I think this You're
going to be here for a long time. Being very successful,
and mostly because the way you did it. I hope
you're right, because some people, if they wanted you to
be a flash and a splash, they could have already
had that with you. They could have they could have
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done a cliche.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
I'm trying to I feel even if it's a slow build,
I want it to be lasting.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
That's the key. And I think it's going to be
so lasting because I think you're so good. So I
really appreciate you coming in. Thank you at Lauren dot
Watkins is Instagram and TikTok's Laura Watkins On TikTok, I
think it's all is there A on it or nor?
Speaker 2 (59:27):
No, it's Laura under I don't know. I think it's
a No, it's just Laura l a you are.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
But the Instagram has a Yeah, well Instagram is Lauren
dot Watkins.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
And the it's Laura dot Watkins. Yeah, you can get
the A on the TikTok. No, people just call me Laura,
but then why not do Lauren Instagram.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I don't know, you need to go question all your people.
I don't have a real hard time.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
I try not to think too hard about social media
but sometimes it can.
Speaker 4 (59:54):
Be Well, get on your phone more. That's my resolution
for yous to be on your phone more.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
I screw my resolution.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
He mike thing for Lauren. That was awesome. There you
go yay.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
No, No, she say yes, and I'm not making her
feel pressure to say yes, but it would be really cool.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Do you want to? You want to see art work
for it and then we'll yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Well also that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
No, we're still going yeah, so that's all the net
people's names are behind us, and don't judge by your name.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But no, I love it. It's our seventh one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
That's us.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
So we'll add your name to it if you say yes.
But if you don't, that's okay. Well we'll delete this
whole episode.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
What what we're gonna do? You want to say it
after we're off?
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I guess I shouldn't. Well, it's just about I could
go to that because we're taking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I said, don't say yes.
Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I know even if you said it when we turned
the MIC's off, it doesn't count because it's still in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
This Okay, yes, so I'm shutting.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
We're done. We're done, over and out, over and out.
Great to meet you. Great, I'll see you around for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
It's really awesome, all right, Lauren dot Watkins on Instagram,
lar dot Watkins on TikTok all right, there she is.
Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
I had this title. When I came up with it,
I thought, this is great. Somebody's totally gonna like this.
And I remember I went in to write. It was
a group of writers I didn't know that well, and
I throughout the title as an idea and.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Say laughed at me.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I thought you were kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yeah, Episode four thirty nine, Lauren Watkins. I became a
fan of Lauren threw other people I'm a fan of.
She's like such a cool singer. Didn't know her, so
this was cool for me to bring in somebody who's
a new artist who I'm a fan of, I think,
and then they come in and I'm like, oh, yeah,
for sure, Like she's super cool. Follow her Lauren dot
(00:40):
Watkins on Instagram. That way you can't even go see
what she looks like. But I swear she just got engaged,
like the day after we did this. Yeah, is that true?
As we're recording this four days ago, she got engaged?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Huh? It was it great before or right after? It
was right? I think it was right after we had.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Her on and I was telling my wife how cool
I thought Lauren was because we invited her on this
to do the Million Dollar Show, which she did the
next she did cant soa yesh, she wanted to do it,
but you'll hear that whole you know, back and forth,
and I was like, yeah, Laura Watkins, she's really cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And then I was like, well, she just got engaged
to bring up to you crazy. Yeah, So a little
bit about Lauren.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
She's got two EPs, the Heartbreak and introducing Lauren Watkins.
She'll have new music out this year. But there's a
song Anybody but You that's really good. She on the
road now is Connor Smith. She's, you know, a Nashville girl,
but she didn't grow up in Nashville music. She kind
of grew up as a Nashville normal kid. Her sister
is a bit as a songwriter. But she went to
(01:34):
Ole miss she graduated college. She did marketing communications. I
mean she did music young and she'll talk about that.
But then she was like, you know, I'm just gonna
go live a normal life. But then she she couldn't resist.
She needed to come get some of this. I don't
even know what this town is, but she's awesome. She's different,
she's edgy, but she doesn't try to be Lauren Watkins again.
(01:56):
Lauren dot Watkins on Instagram or Laura dot Watkins on
TikTok and she will be playing the Million Dollar Show
with the Raging Idiots coming up April third. I always
like to bring new artists and she's one that I
was like, man, I gotta bring it. She never played
the Rymand, which is super cool. We did that with Laney. Yeah,
she never, you know, played the Rymen or anything. We
were like Lanny Wilson and I said, I'm gonna believe
in you and I'm gonna make you a star and
(02:17):
look good a happening. And look what happened all because
of me? Not not all right. Here she is Lauren Watkins.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Lauren, it's good to meet you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I texted you last week and I'm going to keep
names out of it, but I've been a big fan
of your music and you're writing for a while through
association because people would just talk about how h some
of the words refreshing, how bad a you were like
things like that. People that I trust, people that I know, Yeah,
one of them being Nicole. I've known for a long time,
(02:47):
both as a songwriter and as an artist. When I
went and hosted the Today Show for a week, I
brought her with me and was like, come perform on.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The Today Show.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
So like, I genuinely think she's awesome. And when somebody
awesome says that somebody is awesome, you give them a listen.
So you come very highly recommended. And then I would
just listen to your stuff. And one of my friends
hit me up, and you know the story, but just
for my listeners, won't say the friend is. They said, hey,
I'm looking for somebody to do a song with. Immediately
you can online, even though we never met. I was like,
you got to call Lauren Watkins.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And he was like, what's the number. I was like,
I have no.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Idea, but I'll figure.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I was like, I've actually never met her. I only so,
but then you.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Know, I got your number and I remember texting you going.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hope, this isn't creepy, not at all. It's like you
know this, it's popping up with just a number.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You're like, sorry for the random sorry for the random text.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I'm not creeping here, But like, that's how much even
before we get started to expect you as a songwriter,
but even as an artist, like your sound, because I'm
sure and I'll start with this before we get back
to the end of the depth of who you are.
I'm sure there have been people because you do have
a bit of a different sound sonically vocally, like it
is a bit edgier that some people may be like,
(03:54):
I don't know that little a little aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Ya does that happen to you at all?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah? I think anything that's like a risk. It's just
anything that comes off as a risk like scares people.
And to me, it's not risky because it's just like
who I am and it's just the way that I
sing or the way that I write.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So I just try to think of it as that.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And yeah, it definitely can rub people wrong, but I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Your accent is definitely a Southern accent. But did you
grow up here?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I grew up here.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
People that grew up in Nashville either don't have like
it's like Iowa, or they don't have an accent, or
they s well for markets. Also, I have an accent,
but I've had to get rid of a lot of it,
or they sound like they're from Tennessee, which is you do?
I yeah, did you live in the city or were
you in like the rural part of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I wouldn't say rural, but I wouldn't say city either.
I mean, you know how it is in Nashville. People
like a lot of times people outside in Nashville assume
that you live like on Broadway, you know, and I
just grew up in the suburbs.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Did your parents grow up in Nashville?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
How did my mom? My mom grew up in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And my dad is from Mississippi, so that's probably where
some of that because half of my family's there and
then the other half is here. So they went to Ole, Miss,
met there, and you know, my mom was like, we're
not going back to small town.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We're going to Nashville.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
An Ole, Miss couple.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Huh, an Ole Miss couple.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, I've been, and I you know, I'm from Arkansas
and I've been to all Miss a bunch of times.
And the Grove, you know where they tailgate before games,
and it's very it's very like southern fruitfrew.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It is it is.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I don't really take you as fruitfru And I'm not
saying you are because your parents are not there, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, it it definitely the grove. It can definitely be
fru through like there they people have for anybody who
hasn't been, Like it's just the tailgate spot, and people
come and they pack their they packed tables in tents
and people will even put.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Chandeliers in the tent.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It's the craziest scene.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's wild, the flexiest, richest tailgate I've ever seen, but
purposefully like it's part of the culture and you don't
even hate on.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It because you just know that's what ole. Miss.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, it's just it's tradition, really, like it's just tradition.
But it's also like fancy rednecks.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And I've learned, even with myself, if you give a
rednecks some money, weird things happen.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They're going to do different stuff with it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, you're average person. So did you yourself got all miss?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So you're uh legacy?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah is that what they're Yeah, I guess I'm a legacy.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah. How did you like your experience there?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I would do it one hundred times over again, Like
I really really did love it. And I was kind
of like I was one of those kids that like
it was just in my blood. I grew up going
to the games, my parents, my dad especially as a
diehard ole Miss fan. So is his dad, and I
just knew I wanted to go there. My parents had
such great stories of just college and what that was like,
(06:44):
and I never questioned it. I I literally never considered
going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It was always in your mind that you were going
to go to Oxford. Yeah, what's the drive there from here?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Though?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Four it's like exactly four hours.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That's just not annoying enough.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, it's so easy. So it starts going five. It's
a day like it's it's a travel day.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
What did you study?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I studied marketing.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
And did you really study with the idea of a
something in marketing or were you going because you wanted
to go to ole Miss. Your parents went to ole
Miss and you were going to get a degree, but
you really wanted to do music.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I had no idea what I wanted to do, and
I didn't know I was going to do music. I
went kind of with basically, I mean, I grew up
playing music. Me and my older sister grew up singing together,
playing gigs. She started writing songs. I kind of watched
her do that. Didn't know if I could do it,
but I just thought, oh, that's cool. I guess it's
possible to do that. And when I was a senior
(07:35):
in high school, I was kind of like just ready
to get out.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I was sick of it here.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I liked growing up here, but I was done, like
any kid in their hometown, I like to say. I mean,
I was just I was over it, and I was like,
get me out.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Knew I wanted to go.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
To Ole, Miss And also the truth is I had
music was a hobby for me. It was I just
loved doing it. I didn't think this is going to
be my career. Probably a lot of that was fear.
I was scared of doing it alone because I'd always
done it with my sister. And I also had grew
up watching her story, which was just totally different. She
(08:10):
was like, you know, kind of the classic. She signed
a publishing deal, write out of high school, went to Belmont,
stayed in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like she was hardcore.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Doing that from the get go, and I kind of
thought that was the only way. For whatever reason, that
made me think, all right, well, I either skip college
and do music now, or I go to college and
I can never do music again. So I just thought,
all right, well, I'm out here. I'm going to college,
whatever where life takes me. And about two years in,
it was this pull that was always kind of there,
(08:40):
and I would just ignore it. And eventually I think, like,
what you're called to do is always going to just
take over everything else, And so eventually it got too
strong for me to ignore. And I knew that as
soon as I was graduated, I was coming back to
Nashville Music.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
She's two years older, Okay, so not like she can
give you sage advice. She'd give you advice because she's
got two years on you, but it's not like she's
fifty two.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah. No, we're in it together in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And so when you left, because she had done a
lot with you, I guess she wasn't emotionally as dependent
on you being a part of what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, she had she had been
because a lot of what she was doing with songwriting stuff.
She kind of tried the artist thing for a little while,
but her main gig was songwriting. That was really all
she wanted to do, and a lot of it she
was letting me tag along for out of just the
goodness of her heart. She'd let me get up and
sing background vocals with her, and then a lot of
(09:34):
stuff we just fully did together. But no, she was
she wanted me to stay like she she she wanted
me to but I wanted to do. But she also
knew I wasn't gonna stay. I was going to go
to college, and so she wanted that for me.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
The music part in your family, did her get the
bug or did your parents pass it down to her
in some way?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, they're not musical at all. No, no, people always
ask that just.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I guess being from Nashville, but we had no idea what.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
The music industry was when we were growing up. I
have music musical people in my family.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
My grandmother and her dad were both so good on piano,
just had a very natural musical ear. Never took a
lesson in their life, couldn't read music, but just could
play anything. And then I have some cousins that sing
and write, but nobody who was really going for it.
Where we got any sort of taste of the music industry.
It was really my older sister who started kind of
(10:30):
getting out there when she was like thirteen.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And why did she Where did that come from in her?
Did she have friends around that that was doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think we just all I think, well, the two
of us just loved music, so and when you grow
up here, it's not like we're rounded by people doing it,
but it just seems that possible.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That's a good point because a lot of times, even
myself included from a very small town in Arkansas, and
nothing seemed possible because nobody did it anywhere. I didn't
even know a person who told jokes or yeah was
on the radio on TV like that was Hollywood, that
was new where you can grow up the same socioeconomically
as me here, but you literally can see that it
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is almost a tangible thing that people get.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
And you don't have to be a superhero. You just
have to work hard and be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And so I can see where being from Nashville would
actually be an advantage there because it was something that
as somewhat attainable.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
As a kid. Did you ever go to school with
any kids that were in music or their parents were
big music.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I think I probably did, but I didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I think some kids probably had parents who were big
shots in the music industry and I just had no.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But it wasn't even such a big deal that people
didn't know them as that's cool.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well that's also pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, it was normal. Yeah, and you're so right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Like like you said, when you growing up in Arkansas,
you probably were going I have this passion and this talent.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I know it's in me, But where do I go
with it?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
And who do I ask questions about it to? Yeah,
because nobody. You just went to work at the mill.
You went to work somewhere near you didn't even leave. Yeah,
but here it would have been cool. I always wanted
to live in a big city growing up, because you.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Just have resources. There are tall buildings, and in tall
buildings are people that are mould decisions. That's how I
always associated it.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
When I moved to Little Rock, they had like three
tall buildings, I was like, I'm here, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I did. I'm in Little Rock.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So being here, did you like country music or was
it you there was country music?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So you didn't like country music?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I loved country music. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I liked country music way more than I liked the
town itself. And I don't know, I guess that comes
from I mean, I guess the love of country music
just comes from it being everywhere, but also there were
kids in Nashville that hated country music.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Sure, they're so close to it, you're gonna hate it
or love it. Yeah, and probably you're going to go
back and forth.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Totally yeah, which I always loved it, but I vividly
remember because when you're so like tunnel vision, I just
didn't know that. Wow, there's people that don't like country.
And I vividly remember this girl. It was like close
to summertime. We were like in eighth grade, and she goes,
she was like, it's getting warmer outside. It's about time
(13:08):
for country music season. And I was like, huh, what.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Like I had no idea what she meant by that,
And then it dawned on me, Oh, there's people that
only listen to it in the summer.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That's so weird. Couldn't be me.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So they can put on shorts and cuts, which I
get that.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Cosplay Yeah, yeah, cosplay country but which I totally get that,
but not me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I listened to it all year round, and I don't know,
I just love it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Did you do music at all? Mess at all?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Not really?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I that was kind of one of the things that
made me want to come back to it so much,
is that I missed it? Like I I was always
everywhere that I lived, you know, every different apartment I lived.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I always had my guitar with me.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I was always playing every day, singing in my room
every day, or writing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But I wasn't performing.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Did people know you as Lauren the singer songwriter or
were you just Lauren but you also secretly kind of played.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
In sand It kind of knew me as this girl
that because.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You would do it with amongst friends.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, like my roommates would get me drunk and talking
into playing in our living room. And but what was
cool to me about it was before when I was
in Nashville, I kind of was always known as Lauren
the girl who sings with her sister, which I love that,
but I knew I could do it on my own,
and so it was nice when I because when I
(14:25):
got to college, nobody even knew I had a sister
at first. Everybody just knew me as Lauren the girl
that sings by.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Herself, which is I like that refreshing when you came back.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Is your sister still here?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, she's a songwriter in town.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And did you feel like you had to still establish
we're different or you were just gone for four years,
so you weren't first first her sister. You were first Lauren,
this girl who wants to pursue music and write, and
then oh she's also the sister.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think we both at first, like when I came back,
I think we both at first felt a little bit,
felt a lot, little bit like, Okay, we got to
make sure we have a good amount of separation, but
we knew we wanted to work together because I mean,
she's a killer songwriter. I mean, she told me so
much that I know about songwriting, and she knows me
so well.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So we just write good together.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So we kind of just had to figure out a
balance of how much can we work together while also
having sure separate.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Didn't want to change your name though, you don't be
like Lauren Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, no, no no, but some of.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
The guys do.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
His dad's famous, like Bob Son, Jacob Dillon forever. He
wouldn't go by Dylan. My dad is actually Bob Barker,
but I changed it to Bones because I don't want
be able to know that I like it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean, I just feel like I'm so do you
know Bob Barker.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Is okay, so totally missed.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I thought she was just playing along with a bit,
but then I realized she's in her twenties that she
might us know Bob Barker is Price is Right?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Is your name not really Barker? Yeah, it is Bob Barker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Wait my name? Yeah? No, no, no, I'm Ryan Seacrest.
Bob to me, Bob Barker was the host of Price
is Right, the really old guy. Okay, yeah, and he'd
be like spaying newd to your page.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Now what's terrible is I have a Price is Right
T shirt but I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And my name is Bobby Bone.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm a man, I know, but I thought you were
saying your name. Originally was just something.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That I was Bob Marker's son, but it was a
terrible joke because it's way too I could have made
a mister T reference.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But your real name is Bobby Bone.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
No, my real name is Bobby Estella.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And I used to I don't know if you're serious.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, I am serious. And you Mike Voucher certificate. Well
I used to not say it, but my wife, sure
this goes by.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
She was like, I'm not going by Caitlyn Bones.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Because Bone is kind of stupid anyway, and she was like,
I'm just gonna go by my real name.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I'm not going by your stage name. So we got married.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
My wife's quite independent where it's like awesome ninety three
percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so sure.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Her name is Caitlyn Estell and so that's her name.
People just go, oh, that's your real name, Like, yeah,
it is. So it's all out there because she was
just like, but she also wanted to change our last name,
meaning not not take it, because I was like, you
can keep Parker, that was her maiden name.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I'm all for the movement. Stay, you will be married,
but you can not change your name.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
She said, no, no, no, because you know, eventually when we
have kids, we want them to have not the confusion,
but my name. Because we're from Arkansas, they would always
say it all right. But she says her name Caitlyn
Estelle and I'm like, that's not our name.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But she's like, yeah, it is to me.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
My name.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
My name is Kaitlyn Estelle.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's her name, nol.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yes, she's I was like, you can't change.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
My name, and she said, when you talk to people
that you don't know, this calling like credit card companies,
you say Estelle so because it's spelled that way. But
my name is Bobby Estell, but to her it's Caitlyn Estelle.
And I'm not Bob Barker's son. And you didn't change
your last name. This is for the separation. But luckily
your name is pretty common, so people won't assume every
Watkins is Yeah, I mean, does do you guys still
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bounce ideas off each other? Is there any sort of
competitive and that's like fun competitiveness with me?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And yeah, I think there's healthy competitiveness, but it's also weird.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I mean, I'm hoping that we have.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So much success together as much success together as we
do outside of each other. But yeah, there's a healthy competitiveness.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It's fun for the first time, and I'm sure you
are way graduated into a great mental health space that
I've ever been in. But for the first time, in
like the last year, I understood having a healthy jealousy
and a healthy that I actually rooted for the person
and also was still a little jealous, but I was
actually very happy that they were achieving. That to me
(18:35):
was tough, major breakthrough for me because I think everybody,
let's kill them all.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I'm the only one.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
And I have to if I because if somebody else
has it, I can't have it, and that means I'm.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Not good enough.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, I got hey same.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
I finally have a friend that I his named Charlemagne
and he works in New York but he does huge
things and I'm like so happy for him, but IM
still a little bit jealous. Yeah, yeah, And it also
motivates me. And do you and your sister have that?
Does she have that towards you now?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
A little bit?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Probably? I think we probably both have a little bit
of it. Like it keeps you moving.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean it's the same that we have with all
of our other really close friends that we write together.
Like I think you all it just keeps you moving.
But the thing I like about and this is not
to be like a everybody wins answer, but I really
like about Nashville is it's so collaborative that you kind
of can't succeed if you're not willing to be like
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to work with other people and be happy for them.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You know that part. I know people want.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's really hard to do, but I've just kind of
had to learn that that, like, well, you really can't
make it here if you can't figure out how to
like people and and fake it route for them or a.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Police fake it.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Hang ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
What is your perfect environment for a rite? Do you
like starting at nine am? Go nine to two?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Or three? Do you like two? Three? Like, what is
the perfect environment? On your calendar? You have a right
and it's like, this is what I like lately.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I like retreats, which means you leave down and yeah,
I get to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's just nice because I usually am on retreats with
people that I'm really close with and it's just nice.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
There's something, so.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I can't really explain it, but I feel something when
I leave Nashville.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, all the distractions of home here.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yes, So it's not there's eighty three things that you
could and should be doing if you're here. That's like
little things, yeah, errands, Yeah, but you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You're fully removed from it and you're focused on one thing.
And like you said about the whole competitiveness, I mean
there's something to not being in one room over from
somebody who you feel competitive with, Like it just kind
of adds a stress to the building.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Whether anyone will admit that or not, it's true. It's
tough to be around people that you're working with and against,
and you know, it's just it's nice to just get
away from all of it and you're not thinking about anything.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
You're just with your people.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And there's a lot of connection when you're off and
out right, you're able to connect even with the people
that you're with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, a lot more.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Do you like to go on these retreats for you
as the artist or do you go for you as
a writer for other artists?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
What are you mostly doing?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I would totally do that because I just love to write.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
But lately I've been doing them for me, like just
writing for my projects and getting songs for.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Me Nashville only. What's the perfect right? Give me the
time you like to start, and we won't say the time.
You can't say fifteen minutes later, but let's say it's
a tipical like nine to two or not, Like, give
me a five what five hour window would you like
to write?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I like to write at eleven, which is very, very standard,
but I like it. I don't love to get up
at the crack of dawn. I like to get up
at seven ish and get a good workout in before
and take my time showering and getting ready, and then
show up to write. And then I feel like I'm
the most clear headed.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And also.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Everybody is, so everybody feels so different differently about this,
which I think is interesting. But I like to have
almost a cutoff time, not a cutoff time where you
feel like you might not finish, but eleven to let's
say four, that's plenty of time to write a song.
And then after four I can do my meetings and
interviews whatever else I need to do. Some people like
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to do the opposite. They like to get all that
out at first and then do the creative at the
end of the day, which I totally get that, and
I would actually I would think that I would be.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That way, But for me, it's hard. By the end
of the day, I'm so beat.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
My mind is I can't I can't like like create.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I also have for me a deadline at times if
I'm a little too passive or I'm not feel I'm
just like I'm not feeling anything. If I have a deadline,
I at least will take something that I'm kind of
feeling and run with it. And sometimes that get traction, yeah,
and sometimes it doesn't. But I feel I'm like you
where I like to have that line. I'll schedule things
(23:08):
past that line that I have to be done because
it at least makes me commit to something and not
waste the full freaking day going I'm not.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Good enough, I'm not funny.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yes, so what's the overthinking?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Because it has to otherwise you just spent a whole
day wasted, and you have somebody with you working and
you wasted their day too, and then.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're all frustrated because you didn't get what you wanted.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And do you keep notes in your phone for ideas constantly?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah? How many?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
How many times do you go to your phone a
day to write something? Not a song, not a later,
but just an idea?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
A few, sometimes none, and sometimes five times.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It just depends on the day.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But it's funny that you say that, because I've been
trying to, like my New Year's resolution kind of is
to use my phone less.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I have no.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Structure it doesn't count, though.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I don't think keeping organization in phone does not count
as using your phone.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, if you're on social media, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
But the reason I say that is because I thought
I was just thinking of ways that I could just
leave my phone and not touch it for a certain
mon time, and then I thought, ideas, what am I
going to do?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I must have it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I can't bring a notebook with me everywhere I go.
I mean I guess I could.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't want to do absolutely not want to.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah I have. Do you keep yours different? Organized differently?
And I'll ask you why because I have, For example,
I need a look I have. I keep a list
of the lies. I just generally that's good for a
couple of reasons. One, I tried to not lie as
much if I'm embellishing a story for creative if I'm
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like really entertaining, and that's a bit different. But sometimes
and the example that I've usedcause I don't really lie
that much in the past week and a half or so,
it's pretty great for me. And the last I was talking,
I said, Hey, I talked to this person. It turns
out I didn't talk to them. I just texted with them,
and I was like, that's a lie.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I'm going to write it down. I hear you.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
But I felt for the dynamic of the story when
I was like I talked to them, I felt like
I was misleading them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
So I wrote it down.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So I have all these I have like lies i've
told because I I'm trying to lie less and I
think about it more. If I know I have to
write it down. That's even if it's a lie, that
doesn't matter. Yeah, So I have the lie list. And
then I have bits that I think are For example,
like I have this paper roxisors thing.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't lose paper broxisors. If I do one hundred,
I might lose two.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You I'm great at paper rock scisors because it's like poker.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I can read.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Not going to ask to test it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean, I don't like absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
And then I have a thing like Morgan runs the
podcast Network and it's like get this person to Morgan.
But and then I have a whole thing on bits
that I want to do. And then I have something
about Harry Houdini. I was reading about him. I have
one of my friends that wears a cowboy hat but
he's not a cowboy, and my thoughts on that. Then
I have a song idea when so I have all
these different do.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You're pretty organized structure?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I have to be, because if I'm not, there's no
organization whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's a tornado.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Okay, how do you organize yours? Or is laugh it
all down and go back because then I can't remember
why I wrote it down.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I've tried to organize.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I've tried to separate it by title versus line, idea
or concept, but it never sticks. I ultimately I literally
just have like right now, my my song title list
is called December Ideas. I don't know why it's called December,
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it's February, but that's what.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I've been really have changed the hand and I'll.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Just actually like And then the one before that was
called like new ideas, Like I'll just come up with
a list until I get tired of it and I
don't like anything on there anymore, And then I started
a new one. There's no rhyme or reason but titles.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What did it take to delete something forever that you
never got to? Well you ever?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Finally I'm such a list guy, and I like to
black everything out when it's done. I like to so
I'm very like control freak about if it's here, I
got it.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's so why I set the deadline on time too.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I can be that way too.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But it's hard for me to delete something forever if
I felt like it was worthy of writing it down
at one point, will you ever just go, I'm this
is stupid.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm never gonna get to it. Delete.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I've totally done that, but I've stopped doing that.
Stop doing that because Nicole is somebody who told me.
She said, never do that, because you don't know when
you might look at it on a different day and
it hits you totally differently and then you go, oh,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And that's happened before.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Also, I had this title that I thought was When
I came up with it, I thought, this is great,
somebody's totally gonna like this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
And I remember I went in to write and.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I it was a a group of writers I didn't
know that well, and I threw out the title as
an idea and they laughed at me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I thought you were a kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I was like, okay, anyway, I was just kidding, guess,
so I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
About, well, I guess I'm never going to write that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Then a year later I brought it to my friends
and I was like, so I got laughed at for
this idea, but I think y'all will see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And they loved it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We wrote the song and it's so good and it's
gonna come out eventually. So I'm not gonna say what
it is. But if I would have deleted that, then
I never would have had what I do now, and
I thank god I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, you just think songs find the right people.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
To be written with, Yeah, and probably a bit more
comfortable with your friends to go. I was laughed at
for this, I'd like to share it, and if you
want to laugh at me, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
My feelings much Yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I had thrown my whole phone away, they had left
me and have been like, well, not just a little insecure,
I'm throwing this whole thing out of here, anybody, but
you it's all.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I love it, thank you, it's all.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Why why that one? Because it's not like you have
seventeen albums out there. You have to be very selective now,
you have to be with the music you release when
you kind of launch yourself.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Why that song?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Why did I release it?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah? Why did you select that?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, it's just so college and on that EP
specifically pretty much all I was so fresh out of
college when I wrote. I think that that shows in
a cool way.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Two EPs last year.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Right, The first one was, you know, just trying to
introduce me and where I've been and what I've been through,
and that just felt so right and part of introducing me,
because I mean a big part of me is the
fact that I did the whole SEC school experience. That's
so many my life experiences came from that, you know, Whether.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like it or not, that's that is a huge
part of me and my songwriting. And so oh do
not like it, right, Not that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I wouldn't like it, but just that that's such a
small part of life, Like that's such a short period
of time. But truth is so my like huge heartbreak
or just life memories came from that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I mean, I still love it. I still love it.
I'm big SEC. I've been doing it for forever.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It's my favorite thing in the whole world, like we're
going to raise my games tomorrow, you Knowville.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But yeah, You're like it's a small part. I feel
like I lose it.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
I'm on my phone out the room now because you're
like I did my four years and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But I'm like, I haven't.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, no, no, I don't mean all.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean like I'm still like I'm I'm so fresh
out of that like that. I mean that was only
two three years ago. And to me, it's like these
dramatic years.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Which did you live in the dorm at first?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Yeah, everybody not stay in the se outgrow the dorm quick.
But for me, that's where I met even my friends
I have today me too.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
What was a dorm like for you?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It was fun?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It was your co ed no is.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
We had basically two the ones that I lived in.
It was one building of girls and one building of guys.
And they were neighbors, so they like connected at the bottom.
It's like when you'd come home, like you'd run into
people in the lobby, but like up in the room.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Because they go up to the rooms were they supposed to.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know. I think that they could like during
the day, but there was like an hour there was
there were hours for it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
We couldn't not name they could. I never had a girl. Yeah,
I think girls knew I lived in that dorm when
they stayed away from the whole building.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yes, it was like North and North Magnet where it
was like pushed them away.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
How long were you in the dorm?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Just a year, just freshman year.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And then and then I moved into kind of these
little condos. There were really a bunch of townhouses where
I was in a sorority.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
And so this is an ole Miss.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I don't know if this is everywhere, but Ole Miss
does this thing where they like sorority will kind of
not buy but like get a deal with like a
like a condo complex or an apartment. And so all
the girls in that year, like this year it was
our sophomore year, we all lived in these condos together.
So I was living with girls in my sorority, which
was really fun.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby cast.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I wrote in my first book. But how I got
to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I was a little out of control for a while,
not partying, but I just never had access to anything.
And then all of a sudden, not drugs not not
not coke, not not that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
No, I'm following, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Just like, okay, girls, I'll just say it.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can be honest.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And I never had nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
But when I got here there, I had a like
two years that I finally I was just like, man,
I don't I went hard.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Was school like that? Do you was all mess like
that for you? Or did move into Nashville? Are you
doing that now?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
That's a good question. I was definitely also very sheltered
in high school, like I had seen nothing. So when
I got to college, it was such a culture shock.
And so I definitely had fun in college, but I
wasn't like I just I had fun all four years.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
We'll just say that, like I really said it enough
right there?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I did.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, And so then when I came like I've been
back home for what two years now? I guess ish,
I don't know whenever twenty twenty one was is when
I moved back.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
All years are now void because I don't know what's whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
But now like I kind of I kind of got
the partying out of my system and I'm slowing down now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I spent all the money on going on lots
of dates and I'm done too. Yeah, never thought I
was gonna get married. I met my wife, And.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
When did y'all get married?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Two years?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
So it's been years.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Well, we wanted to celebrate you moving back to Nashville
by getting married.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Totally right around I could feel it. Yeah, it was
right around that time.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I was reading an article about you and they have
said something about you.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It was a weird term. It was called like barstool chice.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I know what you're thinking of, and I think of it.
It was the barstool charm.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
That's what it was. You had a barstool charm, and
I didn't know whether.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I don't know what that means. If you're gonna ask, I.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Don't know what it means either, And I could look
at it and both ways, I think barstool charm. Barstool
would mean one of us normal, yeah, cool related, but
it also yes, it also.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Means more of that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
What did you did you read that? Have you seen
people call you that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No, no, I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
So what did you take that as?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I wouldn't have said bartol charm, but I didn't know you.
I still wouldn't say barstool.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think a lot of my songs are set in
a bar, and maybe I'm able to make it seem
more charming than it really is.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's how I took it.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I kind of I romanticized.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I would have found that super negative anything about me
I turned super negative.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Good for me.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I was like, how can this be a good thing?
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, you're like the heartbreak for example, that is not
a positive thing. And that's the whole the name of
the whole product, the project there that you got to
be pretty vulnerable to even talk about heartbreak and did
a second ago?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
How hard? How easy was that?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And then especially if people know you're singing about them,
like how wait say that again?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Is multi layered? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Hold on, if you're the whole song about having heartbreak
in general, or you have you have a project, it's
called heartbreak, That heartbreak had to come from root. Yes,
So first of all you have to talk about it,
and that that is like here I'm gonna open my
ribs up. Here's a vulnerable Yeah. But then it's the
person that maybe broke your heart also getting to do
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a victory lap because I get to hear you singing
about it like that. To me, my ego wouldn't allow that.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
No, I get that.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, And honestly, those are all thoughts that crossed my
mind at some point, but just kind of went in
one of the other because I'm just like, whatever, right,
these are things I got to get off my chest.
And Yeah, but I also the songs are probably about
lots of different people, not just one.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Oh, I completely agree with there's a lot of different people.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Then there's like she wrote, lots of people doing or
they're wrong and they think it's about it's not and
they're telling them.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I kind of like that though, because it's sort of like,
I don't know, it's kind of funny if they think
it's about them and it's really not.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
See, I would be so, why do you think that's
about you? That's why I wouldn't be good. No, there's
a lot of reason I wouldn't be good a songwriting.
But that's the part where I would really struggle, was
like to give somebody else like a little bit of
shine where they were.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
No.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I totally get that, and you know, I guess what
I'll say to that is my songs are for They're
more for the people that i'm singing too, rather than
people i'm singing about. So those people can think whatever
they think. M m, but I just try not to
care about it.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Have you written anything ever and then someone heard it
and you guys weren't good and they heard it, they
were like, you know what that spoke to me?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And then you were good again.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh like a guy.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Sure it could be a it could even be a friend. Okay,
like like some dude.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I've definitely burned bridge. Yes, if there was a bridge left,
it was burned with the songs.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
But you didn't burn it so bad. It kind of
rebuilt itself. No, yeah, good for you, I don't think
so good for you.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
What's the most unexpected place that you've played, Like, difficult
to play because you people weren't even really paying attention.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh my gosh, that's happened so many times. You know,
I'm gonna say something that could be controversial. Nashville is
tough to play.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Oh hey, this is going to really be controversial. I'll
get a lot of hits on that one. Yes, I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Know you can probably like understand that's sucks to play.
It sucks.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'll see.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I hate playing shows here because I'm gonna say a
bunch of mean stuff, so then it doesn't make you
look at it.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, so I'll cover for you, but then you follow me.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
I hate playing shows, and that I love the people
that live in Nashville are that come to my shows.
I hate planning shows in Nashville because there are two
things that happen. One there's this like, all right, impressing
me expectation because I don't perform it all. I'm on
the road all the time if I'm doing stand up,
and so if I'm finally doing a show here, it's
people that just like see pictures on it and they're like, okay,
well let's see how good you really are.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, that vibe exists. First of all, there are peers.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
That finally want to come out and go like, all right,
well let's see what you got that competitive yes, and
then you want to hear something back from it, and then
it starts to be unhealthy. And then it's also like
ten hour meet and greets with everybody who you know
and that live here that want to come and see.
So Nashville is the worst place to I love Nashville
and the people, but for the industry, it's hard because
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it's not just going to do a show for people
that want to be entertained. It's also going to do
a show for people that want you to prove your
worth of crap and worth.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, and that to me is why it's hard for me. Here.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You've said it best.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, I literally that's everything I'm thinking you just said.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Like it hurts me as a native because I mean
when I was growing up, like I said, I had
no like foot in the industry. I didn't know that
even existed. So when I was going to concerts, I
was in the front row screaming my head off, not
caring about who was there or whatever. I just wanted
to be there. And yeah, it's tough. Now it does
feel like everything you just said, it's a lot of
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people just try to be too cool.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
And the thing is.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
That people this is funny, like the people who matter,
and by matter, I just mean like like kind of
the big shots in the industry, like people who are
really like I don't know if the people that you
want to impress, they're not really trying to be too cool.
They're just they're doing their job, like like there to
cheer you on.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
But it's the people that are like insecure.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, and I'm insecure, and I say that from an
insecure place. I'm not insecure in that way, yeah, but
I'm too. It's definitely a place of if somebody else
roots for you, or somebody else says why you're really good,
that must mean to them that they're not.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I struggle with the same thing, but in different ways.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Oh same, So there are probably peers of yours or
any artists. It's at a show and it's a little
bit jealous, but can't be healthy about it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
It's hard. And I also think people like even as simple.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
As yelling out during the show, yelling and screaming, cheering,
people don't want to do They're scared people are looking
at them. Oh who's in the room, Who's going to
see me look stupid? Yeah, And I a lot of
my songwriter friends and I love to protest against that.
And we'll go to our friend shows in town and
just be the biggest fans because that's what you want.
(39:37):
I mean, you work so hard, you're on the road
and and and you then you get so excited to
come home and play a show for your your people,
and then it's like that and.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's sort of sad.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
My one of my best friends is Brett Eldridge. We're
like best best friends. And again this is a two
part story. We don't get to see each other perform.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, he's on the road. That's it. That's something never.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Do we get to seach. And so like one time
in the past two or three years, he came to
one of my shows. Because otherwise, if I'm here, it's
like one weekend day a year, and it has the
time just right.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So he came to one of my my shows.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And then he does his Christmas shows at the Rhymen,
and so I went to the Rhyman to watch. I
gave him like nine standing ovations and people were looking.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
At me like, what are you doing.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh, well, he deserves it.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I would stand, but I would get other people to
come up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
And there was a point where I felt like he
looked at it. He's like, I get a dude, Yeah,
I get it. I gave him, I gave him some
solid but I was I just thought it was so
cool and my wife for you for doing that, Yeah,
because some people don't. We were sitting there with a
bunch of people in the industry, and then if you're
in any other city people we'd be going nuts, maybe
going crazy. My wife had we had been hanging out
(40:46):
with brutt you know, once a week, twice a week
for three or four years, very close.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
My wife had never seen it before.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Really.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Yeah, I knew his music fine, but yeah, never seen
him sing in real life.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
For a birthday every year, he'll.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Sing at dinner he does, like Oklahom song from Oklahoma
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
But she'd never seen him.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
And my wife's funny and she she will cut you,
but she'll be honest. You know, she's always gonna be
It reminds me of you a little bit too, just
how I feel like your music is like I feel
like when you're singing and you have a message, like
you're being honest about it, even if it's uncomfortable. Yeah,
And my wife is like that. And so she was like,
I hope this does not feel douchey, And I'm like,
(41:23):
what do you mean.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
She goes, I've never seen him sing.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
I only know him as this kind of if he
comes out and it's duche, I don't know I'm going
to do because she'll tell me sometimes that joke wasn't
good or that, And so he comes out for and
I'm watching her and then she starts crying and she's like,
this is so good.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I did She was like, I did not.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I didn't know that version, but she was like so
happy and proud for him because she saw him in
a different like his element, Like you said, so what
you're pulled to do?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:51):
But then even she was like, man, these people should
be going a little crazier for you than they are.
But yeah, that's the town. It's a bunch of it.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's just the too cool.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's people being too cool. But I just try not
to let it. It gets to me, but I try
not to let it because then I don't want it
to affect the show.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I get too tight too.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
If I'm like trying to impress people that I think
I should impress, I'm not as good me either. If
I'm so focused on being perfect, I'm not I'm not
gonna be great me too, because I'm so dialed in.
I got to do it just right to be perfect.
And then there's no spaonity, there's no freedom minutes. Yeah,
how many shows? Because I know you did the Morgan walling,
that's that's massive, by the way, it's like huge.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I don't know how I got there.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Well, no, I could guess how you got there, because like,
you're really your music's great. As a songwriter, you're great.
You guys have it's just awesome. I think you deserved
it for sure. And when I saw it announced, I
was like, that's awesome. I would I don't know her.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
But.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
That is such a big That setting.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Is large, totally different.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
There's not really been a middle middle ground for like
you've played shows, but now it's like, we're gonna go
do some some stadium.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, it's I am. I'm so excited, but I'm so nervous.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm being honest, I mean, and yeah, it's just totally
different than what I'm used to. It's funny because I
played a couple of shows with them last year in arenas,
which you know, not stadium but still.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Huge, massive, But that's a huge jump, right, because that's
the major leagues.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yes, because if there, I I just like, I think
the biggest The biggest thing I noticed that was different
was I've been playing clubs right now, so you know,
smaller rooms, but they're packed and people are right up
on the stage, they're literally you could you can reach
out and touch them sometimes so they'll hand you your
their cell phone get you to take a picture. But
(43:43):
with arenas or stadiums, it's you're there's a level of separation,
and those guys that do it all the time, I
don't know how I think that. I guess you just
have to learn how to kind of how to still
connect when you're separated.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
But I'm so new, I don't know I'm learning there.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
The bigger we were in Tallahassee yesterday.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
We were doing a sports show that I do, and
we were shooting some footage with a Florid State basketball team.
But we had been Eddie and I, my friend and
my comedy music partner. We had played the Florida State
football stadium like four years prior before COVID, and it
was super cool for us, and it was really large,
(44:24):
and I remember I ran around way too much because
I thought, since it's big, I need to run every
futilize and I was out of breath the whole time,
and I remember thinking this is not I don't need
to go touch everybody, literally, But I really struggled with
the largest because I feel like I need to do
more to be larger.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And it was the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
And I probably was terrible because I couldn't breathe the
whole time because I thought I'll just run and have
all this energy to equal the size of the place.
And then another thing was I would get distracted because
if a place that big, everybody's not going to be
paying attention.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah. Well, and especially with comedy like that would be tough.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
To I mean, we're doing music comedy there. When I
do stand up, it's different.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
I don't only make it out their seat, but music
we're playing football stadium and people are going to get
beers and stuff, and I'm insulted.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
No, I totally get it, but I shouldn't be insulted.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
That's part of the.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
It's part of the thing. But I get it. I
get it.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I will say with with a.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
With a room that big, it's harder to notice people
leaving and moving around like this.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
The opposite.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
You notice in a small room there's only like a
club or a small theater, like I have everybody in
my vision, right, you.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Kind of focus on the Yeah, well, nobody.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Can do anything that's so small. I see anybody on
the room I look around at you. People do not
try to find people leaving so I could be sad. Yeah,
I think that's what I do. I hunt sadness, so
I try to find Oh, yeah, I get it. I
was talking with Kip Moore once, not on air or anything,
and he was like, how do you And I'm not
the guy to ask, but he's like, how do you
deal with if people don't laugh or seats are empty?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
And I'm like, not, well, like not at all? And
he said, well, what do you do?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Because he got really mad because some guy wouldn't look
up when he was playing a show, or like wouldn't
get off his phone. And I don't know if you
know a Kip at all, but keeps a very emotional guy.
And Kevin I definitely had our run iNTS early in
my career here, but then we kind of got each
other and now we're great.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
And I said, sometimes there's people that look like they're
enjoying it the least are the ones that actually are
loving it the most. We don't all react the same
way with two things we enjoy. And I said, I'll
look at people's four heads to because I don't want
to see people laughing or not laughing because I don't
want to judge how I'm doing based on their mouth,
because I don't laugh when i'm watching it. If something's funny,
I'm like, that is funny, or you're kind of like
(46:36):
but and I think it's really funny. But I'm not
slapping my leg. But yet I expect everybody to slap
their leg.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
So I look at four heads and I kept like.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Two weeks later, he's like, hey, man, I just did
a show somewhere, and he goes, this dude would not
look up. He looked like he was having a miserable time.
He said, did this dude end up coming back after
the show? And I was like, why would you want?
He's like, man, I almost cried.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
It was so good.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And the guy that really mad at because he wasn't
paying attention.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
He was, he was just doing it in a way.
That was how he communicated.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, you're so right. That's I probably should think about
that more because I'm the same. Like for me, it's
like I want people to cheer after the first chorus.
It's like when you hear the hook or the first time,
like I want cheering and when I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I'm like, I'm terrible and I.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
People some people just they show it differently. And I
remember one time I was playing I don't remember where,
somewhere in Georgia, but it was this tiny, tiny crowd.
There was barely anybody there, and that's awkward, Like it's
tough to play.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
When there's nobody there. You don't you don't, it's it's.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Too much connection, too much.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
You don't want to freak people out.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
And where do you look because if you look at
any one person and there's and then you end.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Up accidentally looking at them the whole show because you
just feel like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I've got someone, and then I have to like tell
them I'm.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Sorry for being creepy.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
But there was one at this show. I was this
one guy like this like big dude. He was like
probably in his in his fifties, Like he looked like
a dad, and he's like this big old guy, and
you know, he was sitting down the whole time, and
after like a chorus or after a song, I like
saw him go like he like nodded in approval, and
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that was like that was the best thing to me, because.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
That something about like a big guy not showing.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
A marketing somebody that shouldn't be convinced.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yes, I felt so, and then the rest of the
show was like that is all that I wanted.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Uh, your sets when you go out and you're so
you'll be with Morgan?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Who else is on that? On your show? Who's doing
that like that?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
There's a lot of different there's a lot who's.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
After they changing that up to.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, it'll be for most of my shows, it's me,
Nate Smith and Bailey and then Ernest sprinkled into some of.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Those is always sprinkled in ye.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, but for me, that's the main lineup for my shows,
other than like a few exceptions.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
And how will you will you played thirty How how
long do you play usually on those Morgan.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Shows's gonna been twenty five and thirty minutes.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
That's a pretty good per I mean, that's that's a
good amount of time for Affert. I know obviously you
want to go into an hour and you do your
own club shows. I'm sure you do eighty minutes whatever
it is. Yeah, how do you decide what you're going
to do in the super efficient set?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, well it's really hard because I it's like I'm
when I play with my band, I love to, like
you said, I love to play an hour, even forty
five minutes, But when you're in an arena that size
and nobody knows me yet, I want to be digestible.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
You don't want to go.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
It was the perfect amount of time where people still care,
and then you go over that and it's like, all right,
who's next, like we've we got it, and so I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I try to.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I mean, honestly, the songs that are streaming the best,
I'll definitely do the songs I know people have heard
and that like have they've been reacting to the best,
But I want to sprinkle in a couple new ones,
so it'll probably be like, I mean, twenty five minutes
for me is maybe six songs.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
The good thing about the new songs of if you're
an artist that most people aren't familiar with yet is
they don't know the difference in new and yeah exactly.
But if you're like an artist that has and you're
throwing new ones in, that's hard.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
That's when it sucks.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, I can I can get away with sprinkling one.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Or two because you want to always do new music. Yeah,
but I think Garth is the best I've ever seen
do that where he might play one, but he also
has to hit It's Garth's not the same as anybody else. Yeah, however,
but he just knows people came to hear the songs
that they know for the most part. Yeah, it's true,
and there's very few Like if John Mayer plays new stuff,
I usually like it because I'm just such a big
John Mayer.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
His fans are that he has that kind of crowd
where they are hanging on every word they want to.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Or Casey if I would love to do anything new
from her and if.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
She's doing like a song, that's But most artists, if
I'm just a semi fan, they do new stuff like
uh get bored.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, I mean it's just a fact. Yes, it's true.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
What do you start with?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Start with Fine County Line?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And then is that every show or we switch it
every show?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Typically every show start with that?
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Why why that one?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
It just has good energy and it's out people have
you know heard it by chance? So just has good energy.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's like a fun song to start with, and it
gets my band loves like we just get it gets
us in a good place.
Speaker 6 (51:05):
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Speaker 3 (51:19):
Who's been with you the longest of your band?
Speaker 2 (51:21):
The longest is my guitar, Wade?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
And how long has Weade been with you?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
A little over a year.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh, that's fifty percent of your time here to go back,
I would.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Say that, yeah, No, he's he's been my tried and true.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Yeah awesome.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Does he handle the awkward stuff for you? If it's
an issue with somebody that he goes and.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
Takes care of it? You mean likes of the band? No?
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Like?
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Oh I too.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
If the drummer's fighting with the basis this is a hypothetical,
who handles it?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's a great question. I'll be honest. My band they
love each other for now, they do yes for now.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
But even people that love each other get in fight.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I would say the mediator would probably be my bass player.
He's very even keel, he's cool.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
I could, I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
He'd probably be the mediator.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I have tour manager or Eddie. Hey man, I don't
want to go fight with him. I need you to
go yes at this point, And also, like I only
have so much.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Energy exactly do you need to be creative and be
able to.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I say that I could, I could do it, but
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have much energy for it
anymore either.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Do you know what would be fine? I don't know. Morgan?
We should Morgan, you met Morgan earlier.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
If your town on April thirty, should come to the
Rhyman and play a couple of songs in our We
do a show once a year, a million dollars show.
We haven't really announce wh's lineup get announced? Okay, so
it'll be already announced by this okay, So Nate Smith,
Sam Hunt, John Party, go ahead, Morgan, who Ian Munsick?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Go ahead? Edwin McCain from like the nineties. Nah, it
will be your crying shoulder, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I do, Ben Rector, Matt Carny, Matt Harney. So who else? Oh?
Meghan Maroney?
Speaker 2 (53:01):
What a lineup?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:02):
I inspired all them to be who they are, So
they come out and we do. My band and my
band Eddie and I are the two. But we have
basically awesome session players because we do so few shows
as a full band. Yeah, but every year we do
this big show for Saint Jude. If you're in town
and don't commit yes or no here because I'll think
it's we're just doing a bit anyway, So I will
(53:23):
not allow you to commit. I'm just gonna text a
Cale because she text.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Me a minute to go.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
It's be like, hey, I invited Laura to play a
million dollar show. If she wants to come and do
a couple of songs, you are invited to come and
play a couple of songs in the rym and it'll
be sold out.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
My gosh, I've never played the rhyme before.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
That would I'm not letting you commit or say no,
I'm not even be in town.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Let me say, let me no. I don't even want
to hear that. You have our tour calendar.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Website.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Oh I was gonna, oh no, where is it in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
The next night though, Yeah, that's what we drove the indie.
I don't know me we can.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Make this world on.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Let me let me text Nicole because she like she
literally just text me. I know she's not the person,
but I just want to put it on her. No,
she yeah, no, Radar, because this is not a bit
it's my point. This is not a bit. Anything I
do out of this circle is not a bit.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Okay, Well, I'm honored that you would ask me about.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Hey, Nicole, I'm sitting here and we're talking about life,
and you know, you.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Know how I do. And Lauren and I we're about
to finish. We've done in an hour.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
And I invited Lauren to play the million Dollar Show
this year with us at the Ryman on April third.
I told her she can't say yes or no to
me right now because we're recording, and I feel like
it was a bit regardless of what she said, So
I'm gonna leave this with you. I'm recording this too.
By the way, that's there she is. That's the real Lauren.
And I know she has a show with Morgan on
(54:43):
the fourth, but it's April third, and the million Dollar
Show this year is Megan Maroney, Sam Hunt, John Party Carney,
director Nate Smith, Ian mun Sick.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I don't know if you get anybody, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
We would love, we would love for Lauren to come
come and play two songs with us, So you guys
can have that talk and let me down easy if
she can't. Although Indianapolis is not Hawaii. It's not that far.
But okay, cool, all right, thanks by all right.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Oh my gosh, Okay, I'm not gonna say anything.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
But send it over. We can call her afterward.
Speaker 4 (55:14):
But I just don't want you to be like yeah,
then you're like I had to say yeah. It's like
when someone got when someone.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Get from pressured in saying yes.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah. It's like the kiss cam. You don't want to
be kiss cam.
Speaker 4 (55:24):
We're like, I got to kiss the dude I'm sitting
next to because the kiss cam put it on.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
You're like, it's a pity kid. Yes, well listen if
I if I can make.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
That work, I would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Thank you for it, seriously, thank you that that would
be that would be so awesome.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
So if she says yes, though, soon we have to
add her to the page.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
We we just built the image. We just built the image. Yeah, no,
rush though.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
What's the what's kind of the structure of the show?
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Is it? Like?
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Look, so what am I.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Going to get into it?
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Just whatever you want? The structure? That's Mike Quirk. Yeah, Morgan,
can you hop on Mike the structure?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Honestly, it's out of my curiosity that works.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Can we have so have full band on the rheman
and the band never leaves, but it's like a seven
or eight piece band.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Morgan, we go.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Ahead, Oh, Mike doesn't work now okay, now it's on.
Now it's off, Now it's on.
Speaker 5 (56:17):
Okay. When we make the ask two different artists, we say, hey,
we're going to have you come play two to three
songs with our house band, the Raging Idiots. They can
play either boat songs or one song. You could play
so loo acoustic on one, but it's pretty lightlifting.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
And then we'll have a.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Rehearsal day that you could show up to if you
want to.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
But the band is so good, we don't. We don't
even deserve them. The band is so good, they've been
so loyal. It's Brett's drummer. It's Ryan Medora, who's like
rights for Bassis magazine.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
It's like a really great group.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Well that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
You're more than well in our band. You just slide
in and out. It's this instant changed my first time
at the Rhymn. It's still Bret's rummer the year or
do we change it?
Speaker 5 (56:57):
No, same drummer.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Well, listen this is awesome. It's really cool to finally
meet you in person. Like I said, I've been a
big fan of your just how you do your music.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
And I was talking, I was actually talking, oh like that.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
I was actually talking with a friend of mine about you,
and he was going through people and was like, what
about this person? And this is after I'd said your name.
He just wanted to run people by me as well.
And I said, I think the difference in Lauren and
the two or three people he named, and all were great.
So the difference is I had to invest a bunch
of time with them to realize, yeah, I like them,
(57:37):
but I'd have to invest that much time with you
because I felt like your voice, not just your singing voice,
but like your voice, who you are, what you're, what
you're saying felt so authentic and a bit edgy that
it felt so real that I just knew I liked
your sound and what you were saying immediately.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Thank you, or I would have known I didn't like it.
But I think that's where it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
is this not being out?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, well, thank you?
Speaker 3 (58:03):
That is.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I mean, seriously, that's the biggest compliment to me. That
is that is really really sweet.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
And I wouldn't recommend you to a friend if I
didn't think you're awesome totally.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
I know, I know you mean that and you're you're
so genuine and I really like I'm a fan of
yours too, So, like we were.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Saying earlier, say that, and I don't believe that. This
is a bit, this is a bit. Don't do the bit.
I don't want to hear the bit. I don't want
to hear this bit.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
I was going to make a great point, but go
ahead and make a great point, but not about me, because.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I won't believe.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Okay, Okay, Well, I was going to say, like earlier,
we were talking about like being in Nashville and when
somebody who you have been a fan like approves of
you and says, hey, I believe in you, Like that's
so cool, and I mean, you're one of those people
for me, Like there's so many which I'm sure you've
felt that too, with other people, like where somebody approves
of you.
Speaker 4 (58:47):
Only one, a new artist named Eric Church, and I
believe done it from the beginning. He was the only
one that I know. But yes, I think this You're
going to be here for a long time. Being very successful,
and mostly because the way you did it. I hope
you're right, because some people, if they wanted you to
be a flash and a splash, they could have already
had that with you. They could have they could have
(59:07):
done a cliche.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
I'm trying to I feel even if it's a slow build,
I want it to be lasting.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
That's the key. And I think it's going to be
so lasting because I think you're so good. So I
really appreciate you coming in. Thank you at Lauren dot
Watkins is Instagram and TikTok's Laura Watkins On TikTok, I
think it's all is there A on it or nor?
Speaker 2 (59:27):
No, it's Laura under I don't know. I think it's
a No, it's just Laura l a you are.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
But the Instagram has a Yeah, well Instagram is Lauren
dot Watkins.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
And the it's Laura dot Watkins. Yeah, you can get
the A on the TikTok. No, people just call me Laura,
but then why not do Lauren Instagram.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I don't know, you need to go question all your people.
I don't have a real hard time.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
I try not to think too hard about social media
but sometimes it can.
Speaker 4 (59:54):
Be Well, get on your phone more. That's my resolution
for yous to be on your phone more.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
I screw my resolution.
Speaker 3 (59:59):
He mike thing for Lauren. That was awesome. There you
go yay.
Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
No, No, she say yes, and I'm not making her
feel pressure to say yes, but it would be really cool.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Do you want to? You want to see art work
for it and then we'll yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Well also that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
No, we're still going yeah, so that's all the net
people's names are behind us, and don't judge by your name.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But no, I love it. It's our seventh one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
That's us.
Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
So we'll add your name to it if you say yes.
But if you don't, that's okay. Well we'll delete this
whole episode.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
What what we're gonna do? You want to say it
after we're off?
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I guess I shouldn't. Well, it's just about I could
go to that because we're taking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I said, don't say yes.
Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
I know even if you said it when we turned
the MIC's off, it doesn't count because it's still in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
This Okay, yes, so I'm shutting.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
We're done. We're done, over and out, over and out.
Great to meet you. Great, I'll see you around for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
It's really awesome, all right, Lauren dot Watkins on Instagram,
lar dot Watkins on TikTok all right, there she is.
Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
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