Colin Cowheard On His Career Journey + Dan Patrick On How He Gets Motivated For Interviews & Being Prepared For The Moment + Jerry Jones On His Journey To Becoming Owner Of The Dallas Cowboys + Rich Eisen On The First 'Big Call' In His Career

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
If you listen to this podcast, you know some of
my favorite artists, songwriters, music people.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
They love sports like I do.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
And a lot of times that's how we bond during
the Bobby Cast is that we'll find something sports related
and it kind of allows us to get to other places.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I mean, heck, it's how I bond with my father
in law a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Like it's like, oh, let's talk football, and the next
thing you know, we're crying on each other's shoulder. Well,
that part's not true, but I did want to play
some of the best most fun sports interviews from twenty
five Whistles here now because it's not just sports talk.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is life career, These are legends.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's the same way that I interview people on any
podcast or show that I do. It's much more of
their journey to get places and very little All right,
we're gonna go thirty two minus three. We're gonna So
that's what this is. And I'm super excited to be
able to put this together because this, to me, was
some of the most fun that I've ever had interviewing people.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
First up is Colin Cowherd. He works at Fox Sports
Now and Colin Cowherd. I guess I knew him first
from ESPN he went to Fox Sports. He's one of
those rare people that have been able to be super
super successful even when he made a transition from network
to network. And as someone who works in the morning radio,
I did want to know what Colin's day look like.
He's got a massive show. We talked about going from

(01:21):
a small town in Washington now he's one of the
biggest faces and voices on sports television, radio podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
You know what motivated him growing up?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
And thanks to Colin for being so open to talk
about his life, his career journey.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Here he is Colin Cowherd.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Hey, Colin, first off, just been a massive fan for
I'm just going to start with this then we'll move
to the real stuff. But for like fifteen years, like
diehard massive fans.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So to be able to sit and talk with you
for just a few minutes, like, it's a real thrill
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh of course, Yeah, your career's exploded. It's just amazing.
They're really behind you at the company.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So what I'm curious at how other people do their
creative endeavors and before I cause I did want to
go back to when you were a kid.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
But I want to know what your day is like.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Meaning I watch a show and I DVR it, so
I do get to watch, or I'll hit the podcast
and so I see and I hear. But people don't
see the behind the scenes stuff. What how do you
get in the daytime? And how many people do you
sit with before a show and go over ideas or segments?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Get up at about five forty, leave my house at
about six there at six point fifteen, put the contacts in,
walk upstairs, and it's about an hour and a half process.
It used to be about two hours. But we've got
a really good crew. I would say there are nine
people in the room. They've got about ten stories laid

(02:41):
out for me. I picked probably four, and then they
just keep throwing ideas at me. I usually come in
with something to say on one or two. I have
kind of a worldview on how I view each story,
and then I just like them to pitch ideas and
funny lines and argue and anyway can sandpaper it to

(03:01):
get the most interesting take, you know, I tell young
broadcasters all the time, don't be consumed with being right.
It'd be great to be right, but be interesting. Find
the most interesting angle on something. And that's what we
already strive for just and I've done it long enough
Bobby where I can kind of sense like, oh yeah,
I haven't heard anybody say that on that story. And I,

(03:22):
by the way, I'm always hoping to be right. But
what I think is you're probably curious. I think I'm curious.
I'm looking for angles on stuff, and I like the
the why better than the what, Like why is this happening?
I can see what is happening. I think ninety nine
percent of sports talk show host tell me what I see.

(03:43):
I like to be the one percent that says, this
is why you're seeing it. And you know, a lot
of times I'm wrong, my theory is wrong, but I
think a lot of times that's what we're always seeking,
kind of the why why something is happening.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know, it sounds to me when you describe what
you do there's still a your voice about what you
do and to be doing it at such a high
level for so long to still have that passion like
what is it? What happened in your childhood? With me,
it was just growing up a food stamp kid and
a welfare kid. But what is it for you that
keeps you just driven towards this this success really that
no one else has had like you've had it?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Well, you know, you know I had all the things necessary,
probably a childhood divorce, high school acne, girls not dating me.
The divorce left me very poor. Always felt loved, but
kind of a reluctant. My mom was sort of British, doting,

(04:40):
kind of protective.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Dad was a really decent guy, small town doctor, but
very career driven. Maybe I felt ignored and wanted people
to pay attention to me. I knew what I wanted
to do at a very early age, but I also felt,
and it's not sad, but I felt I was kind
of on my own. Like it's not that my parents

(05:07):
weren't there for me. I mean, you know, I never
felt never verbal abuse, or I wasn't loved, none of
that stuff, but I always kind of felt my dad
was a workaholic, my mom was British, didn't really wasn't
going to help me a lot in my career, and
so I always felt sort of a the word escapes me.

(05:32):
I would say, if I needed to be self reliant
and if and if I didn't succeed, then I wouldn't
succeed if I didn't make my own pass. And I,
you know, I tell my kids this all the time,
is that I don't I want to raise you, so

(05:53):
at twenty years old, you don't need me anymore. Like
that's kind of how I was raised. And I think
that kind of fight and that sort of Bible mechanism
has been really powerful for me. So, you know, I
definitely child of divorce a sister that was five and
a half six years older. So by the time I
was in high school, she was out. You know, we

(06:13):
weren't close. No eighteen year old girl wants to hang
around at twelve and a half year old boy, right,
And so I and I lived. It was rural, so
I didn't have this wide social net of friends. I
mean every house was you know, a ways away, so
you kind of had to make up your own fund.
And I would make up batting lineups and a piece

(06:36):
of paper and do the play by play and play
whipplet ball by myself, and and play basketball sometimes by myself,
and shoot baskets. And you know, I was a laker.
It's jabbar over to this player, over to that player.
Eighteen foot are good? Talk to myself still do a lot,
so that independence, self reliance still kind of you know,

(06:57):
it thrives in me today.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Rural. That's how I describe where I'm from.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I'm from a small town in Arkansas, like seven hundred people,
and there was nobody to tell me that I couldn't
do anything.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
But nobody actually knew you could outside of where you lived.
There was a mill.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's a saw mill town, and so they weren't saying
you can't go and do a TV show or a
big radio show, but they definitely weren't saying I could.
And the same thing about you, like who told who put.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
It in you?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Who instilled in you that there were these dreams that
no one around you had actually reached out in touch,
but that you could do it.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's a good question. I think that is a good
question who instilled these dreams? I think I always felt
like an underdog, Like when I went to college, I
always had that chip on my shoulder. Nobody thought I
could do it. You know, I didn't have a lot

(07:49):
of money. I had to work while I went to school.
And I think there's a survival thing. I think. I
don't know if anybody told me I could or couldn't
do it. I just remember my mom when I was
about thirteen years old, twelve or thirteen years old, telling
me one day I was reading the paper. She goes,
you know, you just can't read the sports section. That

(08:10):
just can't be it. And I said, yeah, it can't.
I am going to work in sports. I am going
to work in sports, and I know it, and I
just I just at a very early age, you know,
I quarterback my high school team. I was a little
taller than some guys, a little more athletic. I always said,
you know, I dated like a cheerleader. I always had
kind of even though I was kind of goofy, I

(08:30):
kind of had this confidence about me. And you know,
I can remember when I was, you know, seventeen to
twenty seven, you know, and I was in Vegas. I remember,
you know, I would date women, are go on dates,
and they'd be like, man, you're you are driven, like
you you just you are. They're like, you know, you'd
be impossible to marry, like you're married to your career.

(08:51):
And I would be like, yeah, it's great, it's a
great career. It's a great life, you know, and then
all of a sudden you have kids, I get married,
it's thirties. But I think I think Bobby. I just
think I was so driven and that comes from loneliness
and you know, just sort of this small town underdog mentality.

(09:13):
And I think it's just always been in me. I
don't know if it was engineered by anybody. If it was,
I don't remember it, but I always knew. I can
remember when I was young, just thinking I had no
doubt in my mind I was going to be like
a network sportscaster. It never And when I went to
college and people didn't care as much as I did,

(09:34):
I remember thinking this is my competition. And then I
went to Vegas and got a job, and the people
I worked with didn't care as much as I did.
So every step of the way, I was like, man,
I am really into this, and other people think it's
just the job. And so every market I went to,
it was like, man, they just don't love it like
I do. They don't think about it, they don't dream
about it, they don't plan for it, they don't construct
their day around it. So I kept being reminded how much.

(09:58):
I loved it and if I worked hard how I
could get there. And it was just step after step
after step after step, and that passion, that confidence just grew.
Is I'd be I'd joined clubs or stations or radio
stations or TV stations, and I could just tell it
was a job for people and it was more of
a mission for me.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I talked to my therapists a lot about balance, because I,
like you, have just been consumed with me having this
humongous chip, probably much bigger than I should have, but
and trying to prove people wrong, and now trying to
prove people right. Like I'm at the point of my
career where is I go. Okay, I'm going to prove
these folks right who have invested in me. And I've
done pretty good sin on the old therapist couch, but

(10:40):
I've been I'm married now for the first time, I
think it, Mary tells forty years old. And balance is
a struggle because I have been so consumed with what
I do, which was my job.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
How in the world do you.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Reach the level that you've reached and still achieve any
sort of balance.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I'm I've had some balance, Bobby. What I really
try to do, and it's not always easy. Is live
very much in the moment. Is that when I'm around
my wife or my kids, I really live in the moment.
I just this is going to be what I do.
I went to Rome with my wife, I went to

(11:17):
Italy for a week and just put the phone down.
Or I go to Turks and Caicos, take pictures, put
the phone down. So try to live in the moment
when I have these opportunities. But I think it's a struggle.
You know, I said this once to a therapist. I
think I wrote about this once in my first book.
I said, you know, they there's a lot of things

(11:38):
that make people happy. If you googled what makes people happy,
they would say animals, giving good friends. You know what?
They never say balance. Peyton Manning wasn't balanced. I mean,
was Michael Jordan balanced? I think balance. I think it's

(12:02):
a little overrated, you know what. I'd rather be wildly
passionate about my wife, about my job, about the volume.
I think I'm really passionate. And as I've gotten older,
I've pruned my tree like that doesn't matter. If that
doesn't matter, that doesn't matter. But I don't think balance

(12:23):
has ever made me happy? I mean, you tell me
I'm happy today?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Are you happy?

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm happy because I'm at the place now where like
all that I've been working for forever is finally coming
to fruition, right, Like I've really just in the TV
world and the radio world, and it's like I'm finally
getting the opportunity to pick what I want to do
instead of I get to say no to things.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Like how cool is that? I know I've never got
to say no to.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Things before, like real things, and I get to say no.
And it's a weird thing too, but that to me.
And I told my wife because she has a great family,
and to her family has always been a bit but
I didn't have a dad and have mom, so I've
just had my career and so now I'm you know,
you're trying to figure I'm trying to figure out, like
how in the world do I And balance doesn't mean
fifty to fifty, but how in the world do I

(13:10):
balance this at all? And I look at someone like
you who's able to crush it professionally, and I hear
you talk about your wife and even your kids, and it's.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like, dang, God, does he do that.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
So I guess if anything else, I'll send you a
bill for this therapy session.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
This is over.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
But but you know, you know who never seems happy
to me? Ski bum poet, web designer, part time artist,
A million things that are not a mile deep on
any of them. If you're totally invested in your wife
and totally invested in your career, and then you have
a really great charity and then you have a couple

(13:45):
of kids, what a life do you have when you're
into those I mean, balance is one of those sort
of like ethereal, sort of nebulous things. It's like, I
live a balance life. No, I sleep for seven, I
work for six. I nap and listen to music for one.
I work out for one, I eat for two. I'm

(14:08):
into all of those things. When I'm doing them. I
don't sit around worrying about balance. What I worry about
is enjoying the time I have in the moment doing
what I'm doing, and if it comes out as balance.
But there are some days I don't do much work.
You know, once the football season ends, I get three
day weekends. I don't even think about work. So and

(14:28):
then there are other times during the football season I'm
you know, my Sundays are a work day. So I
think sometimes people it's like fomo fear of missing out.
There's this fear of lacking balance will create a new
folb fear of lacking balance. I don't think that many
people have balance, and I don't think perfect balance makes
anybody happy.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Let's go back to a job that you had early
on that at the time seem tough, but you look
back and like, dang, I actually learned a lot there.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I did play by play the home games, did played
with play for Division two Hinderson State University, and then
on the road I had to do play by play
in color because we couldn't afford to send two people
out in the crew, and that.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It was really hard.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
But I'll look back and I'm like, man, I really
learned a whole lot there in Hot Springs, Arkansas doing
radio show.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I learned a whole lot because I had to do everything.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
When you look back at your career, what was that
job or a couple of jobs for you where really difficult,
but you're so thankful you had them because of everything
that you developed.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Well, my first job out of college was really doing
an inning of play by play for Las Vegas. You
say an inning, I did it, just an inning. I
had to sell and they would give me one inning
of play by play if I so. I was like
twenty two, So the guys around me were like thirty
eight forty. They were been doing it for years. They
probably resented me. And it was hard because I wanted

(15:46):
to be on the air more. So I had to
do sales all day and then I would do prep
and then I would do an inning and save my tapes.
And I mean I spent like seven eight years in
Vegas a couple of sales, a couple do an inning,
than a TV station hired me. Vegas was a grind.
It took years off my life. It was really really hard.

(16:07):
I didn't have a lot of money for probably the
first five six years childhood divorced, so I went into
the city broke. I was broke for about five six years,
I mean, had no money and was working NonStop inning
a play by play, doing sales. Then a local TV
station hired me. I did an internship turned into a
weekend sports job. But I will tell you this, I

(16:29):
needed other people and there were a lot of beer
and chicken wing nights with TV people and radio people.
And as you and I get more successful, I think
we'll just sort of naturally have fortresses around us. Right,
you have the agent and you have the bosses, and
you don't deal with the day to day because you're
going to start. You're making so much money for the

(16:51):
company now, and hopefully I am that. You know, we
are two of the people at the company that are
you know, business is thriving, and so this is where
I wanted to be. But those journey years for me,
I have such good memories, all the mistakes, all the
dollar chicken wings. I was a more social animal then.

(17:13):
I'm probably less social now because it's more about family
and business. So those years I have very six seven years,
very fond Vegas memories. The mob was still in Vegas
then it was it was a different town than it's
very corporate now. I feel like I got to see
the old that was transitioning Old Vegas, like the movie Casino,
you know, that was just ending, and then I went

(17:34):
to Vegas and it was starting. Instead of like a
guy owning at casino. It was the Hilton, it was
the MGM, it was you know, so I felt like
I was in a transition stage in Vegas, and I
feel so lucky that I lived through that.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I got out on a Southwest flight once and Barry
Switzer was on the flight, and I was like, dang,
this is crazy. Barry Switzer, who's from Arkansas, near where
I'm from. Yeah, obviously coached Oklahoma with cowboys, but he's
an Arkansas guy like me, and I flipped out. And
I think we're both probably pretty jaded now when it
comes to celebrities because we know they just happened to
have a skill that culturally we deem a little cooler

(18:08):
than the rest. It just so happens their skill is
deemed cooler, and so at this point I don't get
star strugg by many folks, and I would assume it's
the same for you. But who have you met in
the last few years where you're just like, this is
so freaking cool. I get to meet and talk with you.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Well, I'm always amazed. A lot of people watch sports
shows or see my clips, and I think the funniest
story was I was still a Keith Oberman had a
show on ESPN years ago, and he took a couple
of days off, and so they called me and said
would you do Keith's show? It was a TV show
in a New York setting. So I drove to New

(18:44):
York to day the night and I did the show
for a couple of days. And he doesn't like college
football much, so they said, hey, we want to put
some college football on the show. Conda Lisa Rice is
a big fan of college football. I was like, oh, awesome,
and so I pre tape the interview with Conda Lisa Rice.
Right that you put into the show and it looks live,
and you tape it for twelve fifteen minutes. You use

(19:06):
eleven o it or ten of it, and so like
here we can see each other on a screen and
I'm like three two one three two one, And all
of a sudden, I hear this the herd and I'm like,
I'm like, she goes, oh, I listen to you every
morning on the treadmill, and I'm like, you're running the country.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Stop that.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
That's stop that right now. Don't do that. And we
sat and talked about things for about ten minutes, and
that was like one of those this is really really cool.
That's one that really jumps out to me that I've
had these conversations with Jimmy Johnson off the air in
the green room when I used to do the Sunday
Show for Fox, and I would just pepper him with

(19:47):
questions and Bobby would tell me the hurricane days and
the Dan Marino stories and the Dallas stuff that you
can't say on the air. That to me is when
I'm just jaw dropping in awe of what I do
for a living. I'm like, nobody's this is the coolest
thing in the world right now talking to Jimmy Johnson

(20:08):
about the Miami hurricane days. And I can't tell any
of these stories.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
On there's Those are the best stories. I get those
a lot too, where I'm like, one day I'll be
able to share this. And because you know, in this
industry here, there's a lot of shady stuff that goes
down that's very interesting and very entertaining, but it's also
the shady stuff that you can't share.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And so I know, you know, Bobby, when I when
I when I started in this business, I tell people this.
In my twenties and early thirties, if I had information,
I wanted to make sure everybody knew I had information.
Now I'm in my fifties, I have to bury information

(20:47):
because I've built up all these sources through the years
and they tell me stuff and I can't let it out,
and so I'll never write a book on it. I'm
not going to do a ghialdo and write a book,
you know, at the end of my career. So I
find that early in my career, I was like, Hey,
I got information I want to tell you now, Like you,
you have sourcing, you want to be close to people,

(21:07):
you want to be trusted, and I don't say stuff.
I got a lot of information that I can kind
of use on the air as a direction or or
starting point on a story. But I'm so glad there
are people out there that trust me, like gms, you know, players,
and they know I'm not going to burn them. But

(21:28):
that's the part of my job. Like you, you and
I will have this closet, this little black book of
stories that will never get out. But that is one
of the great things about our job, that information and
that proximity to people that they trust us. And I
really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Who was the first person that actually expressed to you
and you believe them that you could be great?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
So I was. I had worked in Vegas seven years
and then I got a job in Tampa doing weekends
and to supplement my income. A local Rob Wineingartener I
think is his name, Rob Winegarden. He was a program

(22:20):
director at a sports talk radio station in Tampa and
he had seen me on TV and he said, I
got this old guy, Hubert Mizell. He was a sports writer,
the late Hubert Misella. Good friend. He goes, I want
to couple you with him in the mornings.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I said it'd be awesome.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So we did it. And I'd been doing it for
about six months and one day Rob came in and
Rob said, hey, you have a phone call. I want
you to call this guy back after the show. He's
a sports talk radio consultant. His name is Rick Scott,
Seattle based. So I did the show with Hubert. Hubert
was very funny. We got along great, and the show

(22:55):
was overnight. I called this guy back and Rick Scott
was in town. I think you he was, you know
at that time, Bobby and still is, there was like
two or three sports radio stations in town. And he
had seen me the night before on TV and he said,
you don't know who I am. He says, quit television.

(23:17):
You are going to be the Rush Limbov sports talk
radio host. And I went, what do you mean, and
he said, I've heard everybody in the country. He goes,
quit television. He goes, I'm going to call you in
about three months, four months, keep working at it, and
blah blah blah blah blah. A while later, a few

(23:40):
months later. So that was the first person that ever
said anything. And I was just like, you know, because
I didn't listen. I didn't listen to everybody else. I
didn't know what everybody else sounded like. Except the people
in Tampa. They were fine. And then a few months
later I was sending out TV tapes and another guy
called me. Bruce Arena ran a state in Portland, and

(24:00):
he said, I got a call from Rick Scott and
I was told hire you. He goes, I've never heard
of you, and I've never heard your tape, but I
trust Rick, so you want to be my sports afternoon host.
So that was my big break. But that was the
first time I thought, you know, I Hugh Bobby. I
thought it was a hard worker, and I was talented,
and I cared about it and I was invested in it.
But nobody had ever said, hey, you could do this,

(24:24):
and it really inspired me. It was really inspiring to me.
It was just like wow, I almost felt like, Okay,
this guy knows this industry way better than I do.
I don't want to disappoint him. So it made me
work harder. You know, before sports Talk Ready, when I
first started was I was a TV guy and I
just liked talking and Hubert Mysell was very funny and

(24:45):
he had this sort of southern charm and I just
liked him well, liked the same stuff. We laughed a lot.
But it didn't pay at all back then, and and
and it just wasn't as formidable like with iHeart as
it is now. It just it just wasn't I think
Rome was Jim Rome was just starting and it just
wasn't that. It wasn't the industry that it is now.
So that was it. That was the first time somebody said,

(25:09):
but you could potentially be something pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, this is one of those moments for me that
I mentioned earlier where it's just freaking cool to be
able to hang out. So thanks for being so generous
with your time. Been a massive fan forever, and I'll
just continue to be a massive fan. And that's it,
so thanks Colin, and hopefully one day I'll see in
real life.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Bobby, you are beloved at the company. Your career is
on fire for a reason. Musically gifted, verbally gifted, you
have earned all of it, and you're one of the
easiest guys in our business to root for. So I'm
really happy for you.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Thanks Colin.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
I hope you have a great day. Thanks for the time, Buddy,
hang ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back, and
we're back on the Bobby Cast. Thanks again to Colin
for being so open and great when he came on.
Now let's go to Dan Patrick. This one was crazy

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to do.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Dan worked as a radio and TV sports anchor host
for years with ESPN. Like he was Sports Center. Dan
Patrick's one of the coolest people that I had never met.
Now that I had spent some time with him, at
least on an interview, like, I'm even happier that I
adored what he did, Like he was one of those
guys that really got Sports Center in ESPN and kicked

(26:28):
it off to being a major pop culture phenomenon. Now
you can listen to Dan on Peacock on Premiere Radio Networks.
Dan and I talked about his years of interviews how
he can still get motivated to do them many years later,
even after being so jaded and knowing that, you know,
how trivial is this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Dan also told me about being on the right place
at the right time, and how being overly prepared for
the moment led to him and his career to where
it is today.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Here he is Dan Patrick, whoa Dan, good to talk
to you.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I'm young, massive fan, just a massive, massive fan, so
so you know, when they said you would actually spend
a few minutes with me, I was shocked first of
all and elated, So just humble thank you before we start.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Great, great glad to help.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You know, whenever I'm doing an interview in one capacity
or the other, I do them all the day, all
the time, either on the radio show or on a
TV show. But it starts to just be a wheel
and you're just doing them as they come, and you
rarely get excited. Sometimes you're a little more up for
one because you know the value of a bit. At
this point in your career, do you still get pumped

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about interviews?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
And with who especially?

Speaker 7 (27:34):
I think if you have somebody who's going to be
honest with you, because you want to make sure you're
not wasting the time of your audience. And I always
want to make sure if I have somebody on, maybe
you don't know who they are, but I'm going to
bring out something in them that you would be interested in.
I like the challenge of doing that. But it's the
person who's going to be honest or most honest that
I find interesting. It's the person who tries to dodge

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what you're asking, doesn't give you much, wants to be
very vanilla.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Then that's where it gets really tedious.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Give me an example, somebody who's great that you know,
all right, we're gonna do it and they're gonna be awesome.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
Charles Barkley's always great. Reggie Miller is always great. I
find that if you know my guests know if they
come on the show, that this is what we're asking
them to do. Don't come on the show unless you're
ready to really give something, reveals something. But it's up
to me sometimes to kind of extract thumb that from

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these guys. They get interviewed more than anybody. When you
think about it, athletes are interviewed more than anybody.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
You know, where they are.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
You know every day at practice, you know before a game,
after a game with the NBA, you have to have
an approach that is refreshing to them and their competitors.
And I find I got to compete with you to
get an answer out of you. John McEnroe said you
got to work harder to get a better answer out
of me, and he was right. This is early in

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my career, and I never forgot that sometimes you got
to work harder to get a better answer out of somebody.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Do you feel like you're a better interviewe because you
interview so many people?

Speaker 7 (29:08):
No, because you know what I'll do is all critique
your questions while you're asking them, and it's not fair
to you. But I've given so much thought to interviewing.
When I was at ESPN, I did a seminar that
was five days, eight hours each day on interviewing. It

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was the best thing that ever happened to me in
my career. But it's the worst thing when you start
to listen to radio or you listen to somebody on
TV doing interviews, because you're listening for the things that
they're not doing what you were told to do to
bring out a good interview, open ended questions, short question.
You know that first question, what are you setting up

(29:50):
for the next question? For your last question, what are
you trying to get at? Like there's a strategy to it.
And I wouldn't have known this until I took this class.
It was a guy named John Swatsky out of Canada.
He was the master of the interview and I was
fascinated by it. I don't know who else, if anybody
else was at ESPN. They were mad at me because

(30:12):
I wanted to bring this guy in to teach us
how to interview, because I saw an article and people
were like kicking and screaming going to this seminar, and
they didn't realize that I'm the reason why they were
going there, because I wanted this guy to come in
and help us.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, when you talk about the ESPN stuff, and
I didn't have a lot of questions about that, and
I still don't, but it makes me think about, you know,
my whole lifetime of watching you on ESPN and even
Rock and Roll Jeopardy, which I was a big Jeopardy
guy and a music guy obviously, and then you know,
watching on Sunday nights and I would come home from
the radio show and watch your radio show, you and
all the dan ET's like just a massive fan. But

(30:46):
you know, I've started to realize that I, as a
public figure, people think they know me at times more
than they actually do, and they'll come up and so,
you know, one of the things that I'm most curious
about is like if you go to your house and
I feel like I know you, but I obviously don't
on a personal level, Like in your house, what is
your favorite picture in your house?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Which if I just asked that question, what is it,
Who's in it.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
I'm a big fan of the artist Wolf Con he
passed away. I think he was just over the age
of ninety. And you can't be in a bad mood
when you look at a painting of wolfcan now pictures.
There's a picture of my daughter in the library where
she's in Galway, and she's in a mud puddle and

(31:31):
she's probably eleven years of age, and she's got mud
all over her. She's thrown mud in the air and
she got the biggest smile and it's one of those
moments that you just go that person is having a
great day. So I tend to gravitate towards you feel
better after you you see that picture and you see
a painting from Wolfcan.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
What about if I ask about sports, what personal sports
picture do you have. Either you're somewhere with someone that
you look at and it's not it doesn't mean as
much because obviously that's your daughter, but it's like, man,
that was a great moment, either in sports life or
my life.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
I was in a boxing ring.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
It was a fight night in Arizona, and I was
the host and we were honoring Muhammad Ali and we
were going to give him this ring. And Muhammad Ali
is standing next to me waiting for me to give
him this ring. And I'm describing to the audience what
this ring signifies, and I'm going to hand this to

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Muhammad Ali. And this was probably twenty years ago, but
you know, Parkinson's the onset of Parkinson had started there,
and I just remember in the moment, I'm thinking, I'm
going to give a ring to Muhammad Ali, and I

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sort of fanboyed that. I was like, I got to
get this out of my head because I sometimes that's
the problem. I have too many things I'm thinking of
when I'm doing something that I shouldn't be thinking about
but that moment where I look and I go, who
would have thought that a kid came from a small
town in Ohio is there with Muhammad Ali honoring Muhammad Ali?

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And it's never lost on me where I came from
and growing up in a big family, that I came
a long way, but that you can come from a
small town where you never would have thought you've gotten there.
So it brings out a lot of different thoughts memories
there of you're still this kid who's from Mason, Ohio,

(33:30):
but you got here.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Don't forget where you came.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
From from Mountain Pine, Arkansas, population seven hundred, So similar instances,
you know, growing up and there wasn't a lot of
resource where I came from. So how what showed you
and who showed you that there was actually a path
too greater even though you couldn't quite define greater.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
I think I was too naive or stupid to let
reality sink in that you can't do this. I didn't
have a plan B So when people said, oh, if
you weren't going to be a sportscaster, what would you be?

Speaker 6 (34:05):
And I'd be like, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
I'm guessing bartender, but I didn't know, and I had
been rejected in quite a few places. I lost a job,
a local job in Dayton, Ohio, and I was distraught.
So I'm I'm twenty six, twenty seven. I don't have
a full time job in sports, and that's old in

(34:27):
this business to get started, and I thought I'm never
going to get in. I was doing morning drive radio
rock and roll station, and I thought, this is what
I'm going to be doing. And an next girlfriend said,
just come down to Atlanta. I said, I don't want
to go to Atlanta. She goes, no, just come down here.
CNN's hiring.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I go.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
I just I'd lost out on a job in Dayton, Ohio.
I'm not going to get a job at CNN. So
I go down there, lo and behold.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
I go in there.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Last day I'm in Atlanta. Give him my resume. Tape
guy says, when can you start? So if I don't
go to Atlanta, I'm not here. I mean I'm somewhere,
but I'm not here because CNN. I was there for
five years, and after that I went to ESPN for eighteen.

(35:15):
So I always tell people right place, right time, but
you better be right about what you have to know,
like you have to know it if you get that opportunity.
And I'm sure that at some point somebody wanted to
see if you knew exactly what you needed to know,
and you did, or you wouldn't be seated there. Like
we get those moments, but be ready for the moment.

(35:38):
And that was something that stayed with me, stays with me.
I tell that to my kids all the time. Be prepared,
be over prepared, even if you don't get it, you'll
still show that that person you show them respect by
being prepared.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You mentioned eighteen years at ESPN, and.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I worked on American Idol for four seasons, and I
would talk to some of the old contestants from back
when Idol was so big, but they said they didn't
know it, they couldn't feel it because they were in it.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
ESPN was a culture, especially for me.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Was that situation similar because you guys were changing culture?
Did you know it and could you feel it then?
Or was it its own bubble?

Speaker 7 (36:15):
We were cordoned off, absolutely, and I think that's by
design by management. They didn't want us to be bigger
than those four letters. Not that we could be, but
they didn't want us coloring outside the lines. Management even
told me on one occasion, we don't want another Chris Berman,
because Berman is the most important person in the history

(36:38):
of ESPN. But he was sort of a hot air
balloon that was higher than everybody else but still tethered,
and they didn't want that. They didn't want that to
happen to me or Keith Oberman or Stuart Scott or
whoever you want to throw in there. So they didn't
want you to be a personality. So I think that

(37:00):
that was kind of eye opening that we were getting honored.
Mentioned people came up to us when we saw them
when we were out at events, but we weren't in
New York or LA. We were in Bristol, Connecticut. We
didn't run into anybody, but when we did, then you
heard the impact that we were having, and you kind

(37:23):
of juxtapose that to management. We never knew our ratings.
They never told us. They didn't They didn't want to
empower you and say, you guys are really kicking ass here.
It was like, yeah, you guys, solid and improving, you know,
kind of doing a good job there. You're like, damn,
I thought I thought we were good, but that was

(37:43):
that was eye opening there that management wanted to kind
of keep us under their thumb.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Final question about the ESPN days and as far as
who is would you say as your BFF now from
those days if you had to pick one, Oh.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
I would say that I core spawn with Rich eyes
and more than anybody else. The people I really enjoyed
were producers, associate producers, the makeup people, camera people. Those
are the people I always enjoyed being around. Nobody wants
to be around talent because all we do is talk
about ourselves. I wanted to be around the people who

(38:22):
were just normal or as normal as possible in our business,
and those are the people I'm still in touch with,
more the producers than the talent there, but probably Rich Eyesen.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
How hard is it to have a source that's telling
you something but you can't say it, and you almost
have to act like you don't know it.

Speaker 7 (38:40):
For the most part, I don't want to know if
I can't use it. I say that to and I'm
fortunate having been in this business for almost forty years.
You meet people that you trust because you can go
back to them or they'll they'll let you know if
you're right or wrong.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
On something.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
But I don't want to know something that I can't
even hint because then I'm not being Then it's gossip, ye,
and I don't want to do that, but it is
a tough situation to be in sometimes when somebody goes, hey,
you can't use it, don't tell me because I don't
want to know. But when they're like, you didn't get
it from me, which is different, but sources can be tricky.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Last question, and this has really been a treat for me,
way more for so for you, because I'm sure you've
rated this and given it a low grade. You do,
And as soon as you said that, I was like, god, dang,
And now I'm going to actually feel like a a
critique during the interview.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I didn't feel like that going in.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
But final question is, uh, you know I'm about to
go through a big contract negotiation here with a ooh right,
so okay, you know and it's it's it's it's quite
the monster. I'm not going to lie to you. What
what's the what am I? What am I not knowing
to ask for?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
What is it you don't have?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I don't know, I'm no pretty good Dan.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Yes, I always look at it this way.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
I love for fifteen years being at ESPN, and I
could have gotten jobs out outside of it, but I
loved what I was doing. But you can't tell them
that you love it so much that you don't factor
in what you're worth outside of what you're doing. If
that makes sense that, hey, on the open market, what
would I be worth? Take care of me here? And

(40:16):
I always took less, but I didn't have any I
didn't want to.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
Do anything else. So do what you love.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
And it's really hard to find that because if you
let money be the carrot that's in front of you,
you'll always chase it and you'll never be satisfied. But
if you have people you like you got, you know,
they make sure that the people who are surrounding you
are good people, fun people. I love seeing my guys

(40:43):
every single day.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
We just laugh.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
I mean, you're serious when you need to be, but
we have fun. I enjoy them. And it's twenty years
for some of these guys. But I think that's the
moment you know that you got to kind of go.
And if you say to your wife, what do you think?
Because sometimes my wife is the smartest person, and you know,
you get somebody on the outside kind of looking at

(41:07):
all this because we get too close to the sun
and you don't want to be Icarus here and you know,
go down and flame. So do what you love as
long as you can do it, or you can just
take a load of money and then run with it.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, I was hoping for that, like airplane.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Hey, I'm just a massive fan, just massive, And thank
you for your time, and you know that's all. And
I know you've got a busy day ahead, so thank
you very much. And one day, hopefully I hope I
can touch you soon.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
You know I would. Uh, yeah, I hope we cross paths.
Congratulations on all your success, and I think that it's
not by accident, you know, but I think that that's
important as you move move forward, don't forget the kid
from a small town in Arkansas, because staying humble, because
this business will bite you in the ass quickly.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Thank you, Dan, have a good day.

Speaker 8 (41:58):
Thank you, Bobby. The Bobby Cast will be right back.
This is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's Dan Patrick. That was super cool. Let's talk about
another one that was just insane. Jerry Jones. I sat
down with Cowboys, a legendary owner. Jerry Jones We went
to Dallas and we hung out with the whole Jones family.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
It was kind of insane.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Mister Jones hosted me, my wife, Eddie, Mike d We
went into suite, watched the game an Arkansas native and
that's really what got me in because I just emailed
randomly to the website and so we talked and Jerry
hung out with us forever. We talked about his upbringing,
whether or not a legendary story about him was true,
so much more here he is Jerry Jones. Mister Jones.

(42:52):
Have heard people call you many things since we've been here.
The last hour, I've heard mister Jones they referred to
as Jerry. Someone called you uncle Jerry a minute ago.
You have a lot of names here as you walk around.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
Well, I do prefer especially from you, Jerry.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Is that really what I feel like? I can call
you Jerry because that means we're friends.

Speaker 9 (43:10):
Now, of course we are friends, and but mainly you've
got that Arkansas blood, isn't you, which qualifies us both
to have a little fun my cousins and why not
can be I've got a lot of Joneses running around
out here. Just get in line.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, A story that I've rarely shared, and there's zero
percent chance that you would remember this, and don't expect
you to. But as probably fifteen or so years ago,
you were in Hot Springs. You were sitting in a
section of a restaurant and I think it was Oakland.
Oakland was I was at the races. You were sitting
in a section between the restaurant and the bar, waiting
on somebody. And I saw you sitting there and I thought,

(43:49):
Jerry Jones from Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I'm from Arkansas. Why can I not go up and
say hello?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
And so I approached you and I said hello, And
I sat beside John's waiting on people too, and you
and I talked for like ten to fifteen minutes, and
I kind of just told you my story. You talked
to me for a while, and I remember thinking, I
can't believe Jerry Jones is a normal, like nice person,
because we always see big Jerry Jones, you know, the
guy that's running the Cowboys, But you are such a
normal person. And at the end of the conversation, you
literally gave me your cell phone number and said, if

(44:13):
you ever need anything, call me.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I never called you.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I actually needed a few things, but I never called you,
but I left that going like Jerry Jones is like
a like a for real caring guy, like a guy
who seemingly cares about relationships a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Is that probably?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Would you say that as the key to your success
here has been relationships.

Speaker 9 (44:31):
Well, let me say this, My life is spent with
my one on one relationships. What is a little confusing
about this thing is that more visibility you have and frankly,
being associated with the Cowboys. I don't ever confuse the
interest in Jerry Jones with what the real deal is,

(44:54):
and that's the interest in the Dallas Cowboys. I'll say
this seriously. Yes, I did have a marvelous young life
growing up in Arkansas, and I was coached up real
good in life, not necessarily football, but life, great parents, entrepreneurs,
always struggling but wonderful around the kitchen table, osmosis. But

(45:20):
I certainly got a great appreciation for the kinds of
lives that make up Arkansas. For sure, there's no question
that my affinity is there. I continue to have things there,
continue to have all the relationships I've had. But having
said that, when I got involved with the Cowboys, I

(45:41):
knew it was going to be tough because the Cowboys
were losing a million a month in cash flow, and
I bought part of them from the government they had
been foreclosed on and football was not going strong then
not pro football at the time. As a matter of fact,
I don't never have heard of anybody that ever made
a positive dollar in sports on a team period, football

(46:04):
or otherwise. Where I'm going with this, But I was proud.
I was really proud to my master's thesis at Arkansas
when I got to play on our national championship team.
But I was also going to school. My master's thesis
was the role of marketing in modern day football. I
dreamed of somehow being a part of a life that

(46:24):
had something to do with football. But this is my
point to everyone, go to your passion. Because I just
thought that I had accomplished a little something that I
could be proud of when I bought the Cowboys. What
I didn't realize was that every day, inspired by getting

(46:45):
to be a part of the future, getting to be
a part of the fans, getting to be a part
of the game, it just caused me to try things
I would have never done and caused things to happen
that would have never happened, And so the facts are
I really was just getting started the Cowboy inspired me
way beyond just the touchdowns are any financial game.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I wrote a book called fail until you Don't, which
is and I had Governor Hutchson in Arkansas and Chris Stapleton.
A lot of guys that we know is super successful
artists or in business talk about their biggest failure but
how that actually led them to their biggest successes. And
we see you as just an eternal success story because
we see you on TV or we hear you. Was

(47:28):
there a certain failure early on that actually taught you
so much that allowed all of this success later on?

Speaker 9 (47:34):
Well, when we were first married, my wife Jeane and I,
they came to the house when she stepped out one
day and took her purse and grabbed all the credit
cards out and cut them into About fifteen years before
I bought the Cowboys, I came to Dallas, and after
I bought the Cowboys, a writer asked when we didn't

(47:54):
win but one game our first year, which was a
little downer, but when we didn't he said, these have
got to be some of the roughest days of your life.
And I said no, not even here. In Dallas. About
fifteen years ago, I landed at Love Feel, took my
card up to rent a car from I think Hurts,
and they looked down a list and cut my card

(48:16):
into and said, young man in front of you, you
need to learn how to pay your bills. Now. That's
a hard day in Dallas. Not necessarily a one loss
record with the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So much Salvation Army.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I feel like people know about it now because of
what you guys do as far as starting that campaign.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Why is that so important to you?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Guys have the cattle and Salvation Army is not only
part of the Cowboys, but just to be a part
of that brand all over the country.

Speaker 9 (48:42):
Again, the thing that's surprised, I'm never surprised at the
interest in the team. But what does surprise me is
when I travel, and I travel a lot, I have
as many people come up and say thanks for what
you do for the Salvation Army and the Red kettlest
say go Cowboys. It probably is the most meaningful or

(49:05):
notable thing for me about having been associated with pro
sports or the Dallas Cowboys. We have three million volunteers
in this country on red Cattle time, in the Christmas time,
while people are having meetings or board meetings about how
to help people. They've got Santa Claus under a tree,

(49:27):
They've got shoes on somebody here, they got food their
stomach before they can even have a board meeting in
other organizations. And they get it there with most of
the dollar that you put in that kettle going right
where you'd love to see it go. That's why I'm
such a fantom. We could play football as good as
the people that Salvation Army do their job, would be

(49:48):
world champs every year.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Do you get nervous before games? Very still?

Speaker 9 (49:52):
And I'm nervous right now, very nervous I always have,
but really almost sick. Nervous.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
This many games into owning such a big franchise and
you're nervous. Why do you think the nerves are in
you still today?

Speaker 9 (50:07):
Well, you look at what might be the possibility of
coming out playing good, if we can get through this
thing without serious injuries, all of the things. I think
like anything, really, but you need to be positive to
play football. I played football for the Razorbacks and I

(50:31):
had to call on it. Boy, it hurt me to
play football. I love baseball so one time, my trainer said, Jones,
he's had a Virginia brogue. And he said, Jones, You've
got to have the lowest tolerance for pain of any
kid we've ever had with the Razorbacks. And I said,
damn it, Groundie, it hurts me more than it does
everybody else. I said, hell, their toes are hanging off,

(50:53):
and I said, it hurts me to get kicked. I
deserve an honor. Figure up an honor for me. I'm
brave to be out there. It hurts more than they do.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
You played running back in high school and then offensive
line for the sixty four championship team.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Right? Is my accurate? There?

Speaker 9 (51:06):
Correct? It's done your homework.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Boy, that way I live. I live.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I'm die hard. You know I'm die hard razorback, diehard
Jerry Jones. So, if what's that transition? And did you
not want to play running back in college or did
they say you should now play offensive line.

Speaker 9 (51:21):
One of the toughest things I ever had the stomach
was my junior year. I was the starting fullback for
the Razorbacks. I was so proud. I replayed almost everything
that was going to happen for the year we came
to school and I started the first three or four games.
I pulled a ham and we had some other fullbacks,

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good ones, Bobby Nick's, Charles Daniels, people that we all
could remember back. But we lost all of our guards.
And I had played guard my first year at the Razorbacks,
so they moved me to guard. I went over to
talk to coach Brawl's to tell him my heart wasn't it.
I couldn't move to guard. I wanted to carry the ball.

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I wanted to catch passes, and so he said, fine, Jerry. Well,
another coach came back to my locker and he went
around the room and he named guys that had never
been on the field. Fred Marshall, who became the great
quarterback that led us to our national championship team, Kenny Dean,
a great running back, never been on the field. There

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were all kinds, handfuls that had never been on the field.
And my coach looked at me and said, Jerry, I
told you mother and daddy when to offer you the scholarship.
I'd take care of you. He says. Coach Brawls will
sit you down and you may never see a field again.
You can make this move that he's asking you to do,
and you can have a hell of a career and
be a starter. Don't you see the handwriting on the wall? Well,

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I did, thought I did, like he did. I was
mad about having done it. Then I'm mad about it
at eighty years old today, I'm still mad about it.
I should have been carrying ball and catching passes.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Whatever player says that to you.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
What if they're like, I don't you know, I don't
want to move, I don't want to return points. You know,
I'm the what kind of conversation would you have with them?

Speaker 9 (53:06):
Well, first of all, because really, as much as anything
that story I would have, I mean this, I would
have grace. I've had it said to me in different ways,
not necessarily the same situation about a position, but I've
had it to me with other men and women. And
when I see somebody buck, when I see them stop

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and come in and it's hard. I know it's hard,
and tell me, look, I respect you. I'm not trying
to be awkward, but I want to go this way.
I respect that, and I remember that story and I
go there I've had I'm a cat that's had eight
lives out of nine, and so I'm a life of giver.

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I hope and do show grace when somebody has some
real mindset as to where they will go with their life.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Got three questions of life.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Now, this is an urban life that I've heard about
you that when you were and you can tell me
if this is false, but I want to get the
whole story out. And you've had such an instrumental part
designing this facility, which is still a plus. And you
know we were talking earlier. After fourteen years, people still
treated like it's brand new and they have you seen
it yet?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
But the story is that.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
There was a tile that you wanted and you flew
to another country to say, I'd like to have this tile.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
They said, we don't have. It's on back order.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
So you said, you bought the whole place, then you
got the tile, then you sold the place and made
money off the selling of the business.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Is that story true?

Speaker 9 (54:30):
Well, let me say this, I don't know that I've
made money when I sold it back. So that's what
I was creative in getting the tile. Now you have
a little problem when you want a foot of tile
and a place like this, you're talking about four million
square feet five million square feet so if tile is

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three dollars and twenty cents, then multiply that time through
a four million. Well, in this particular case, I was
trying to get my wife Jeans to find the perfect
tile for the right price, which was a lot less,
but she found it. And one of the other things
she did is she took and took granted and they

(55:15):
chopped the granted up and then they aggregated it back
as a solid and it's most beautiful thing you've ever seen,
and we have it on our bartops all around. But yeah,
you bought this place, this place, Yes, yes, this place
did have the benefit of us all getting in and
looking at every countertop and looking at every corner that

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was out there, and it was a labor of love.
While we're talking about it, and I know we're talking
too much about Arkansas, but Coach Brawl's was such an
inspiration for me here and he really gave me a
lot of keep going and a lot of confidence, if
you will on it. He took us to the Astronaut
when I was nineteen. We were down there to get

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ready to play Nebraska and the Cotton Bowl here in Dallas,
and he took us away from the fans. He took
us out there. There'd never been a game played in
the astrodome, but it was ready to go. Godly, it
looked like Mars. How could you think about playing a game?
And all I know is that from that point forward
I read everything I could talk to everybody I could

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about it. Roll the clock forward thirty years later, I
was thinking about this place at and T Now show
you how kicking in for young people happens. I didn't
know where I was gonna get all the money, but
I knew one thing a man could do it, because
I had been in one that a man did, the astrodome. Well,
guess what happens when you're young, When you get a

(56:45):
chance to do it, you go. You can put five
of those damn astrodomes in here today, so you always
if you get inspired, then you can make it go.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Question two, talking about music for a second, any free time,
who do you listen to? And then the ACMs are
coming here like you're super instrumental in that. Why do
you feel like country music is so on brand with
what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And then also who do you listen to?

Speaker 9 (57:08):
Well, first of all, it comes natural. When my father
had his store grocery store. My sister and I lived
above it. But in the middle of the store he
built a bandstand and he brought in a great marketer
announcer in Little Rock called Brother how And he brought
Brother how in from Forest City, Arkansas. And Brother Howll

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did live amateur talent contest and he basically made and
produced and produced shows right out of the middle of
the store. And it was a big stand right in
the middle of the store. And so I just grew up.
I was around it all the time. I was around
the store constantly. Right across the street there was a

(57:52):
great if you will, honky Tonk and some of the
greatest names of a country Hank Williams, those kind of guys,
and I got to see it because of my age
evove up through. I was a couple of years older
than me. But my point is I have lived the

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great mainstream of country and if you will, a little
of the rock and roll that we all look back
on today, well I live that. And my dad would
just frankly in his own way and doctorated, and he
had a band called the Pat Supermarketeers. His name was Pat,
was called Pat's exactly Pats, and he would take that band,

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and he'd be out late and having a good time
where the country music rolling, and boy, he'd bring that
band in and here it would go, and he'd only
let his friend stay in, but everybody was his friend,
so they'd have a big time and keep it over.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Who'd you listen to this morning? Just give me a
couple of artists you likes to.

Speaker 9 (58:50):
I like Stapleton, of course, and not of course, but
I like Stapleton, and I stop in my tracks when
any of those great ones come in. But I'm a
great Roy Orbison fan, uh, and he'll stop me in
my tracks when I see some of his great music,

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and I can't move when dream comes on, Dreams.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Sing a little bit, dream Dream Dreams.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
That's pretty good. Huh, Roy, You're right on. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Final question for you, mister Jones, Sorry, Jerry, final question.
I know that so much of what you do is
giving back to not only this community, but also you
can drive on the campus of Fabel the football complex.
You guys have done so much there, but now there's
a museum being built right outside of the stadium.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Can you tell me about that?

Speaker 9 (59:39):
Well, we're extraordinarily privileged to get to use this forum,
if you will. The Cowboys the visibility and the National
Medal of Honor winners, not winners, but recipients, decided to
let us help fund and build the Nation Medal of

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Honor Museum. And in conjunction with that, the same monument
is not the same one, but a monument is being
built in Washington to recognize the great stories as patriots
of what men and women have done for this country.
And I think it's so big right now where the

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Cowboys want to do something special is it's like this stadium.
This stadium was not built for the one hundred thousand
that come to the game. It's a great place, but
it was built for thirty five million. It was built
for thirty million. That's who our Michaels is talking to.
That's who John Madden was talking to. Well, we want
to take the stories of the Medal of Honor recipients

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and we want those to not only be recognized through
a tangible thing close by, but somehow we want those
stories to get involved, somehow mixed in. Wonder how we're
going to do that. We've got a plan and mixed
in and so that when thirty million people are watching
these games, they can hear about what these medal of
honors did for them to get to sit there with
the freedom to watch the game.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Jerry, I appreciate the time, thank you very much, massive fan,
and can't wait to come back for the ACMs, which
they're thinking about letting me host. I think a call
from Jerry Jones saying Bobby Bones is my guy, I
would really kick that door in.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
Well, Bobby, I'm a great fan of yours, I really
really am. And let's don't make this the last time
that we have a visit. So you've got a passion
between them. Just generally, you're what you think is important,
and music is a big part of it. Music is
a big part of the Cowboys. We play it hard
every day during practice just to have the kind of

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replicating the noise that they'll be seeing. And I was
down here in the dressing room. I wish I'd have
taken you down, but you couldn't have heard yourself talk
in that dressing room. And the biggest fights that come
on in a dressing room. So whether we're gonna pay country,
we're gonna play some soul, and then every now and
one will step up and say, guys, I'm tired of
this argain. We're gonna have little church music he can

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hear before we go the field.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
And maybe little Roy Orberson dream. Jerry Jones, everybody, Jerry,
thank you for making Bobby.

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.
Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
That was Jerry Jones again. Absurd that we got to
do that. We flell in his helicopter with him. It
was just me, my wife, Eddie, Mike d Jerry and
his son and the helicopter. I was a pilot, That's
how crazy it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
No, I wasn't. But still.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Now let's move on to one of the coolest guys
in sports entertainment now, which is Rich Eisen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I listened to his podcast almost every single day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I filled in for Rich Eisen, which other than this interview,
I've never met Rich in person, but I did go
and fill him for a show for a couple of days,
which was a highlight for me career wise. Rich worked
for ESPN for a year, same kind of Dan Patrick vibe,
where he's one of the guys that really made ESPN
a pop culture phenomenon. And you know, he does a
radio show He's NFL Network NFL Combined. Rich also runs

(01:03:05):
the forty yard Dash every year to raise money for
Saint Jude and anybody that is consistent and raises money
for Saint Jude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Obviously, I love Rich Eisen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We talked about his first big call in his career
and then all kinds of good career talk here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
He is Rich Eisen massive fan and have been for
a whole long time. And I watch you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
If I listen to your podcast, each hour is loaded separately,
so I try to I'm a big fan. If you
can't tell I know all the nuances of the Rich
Eisen Show, but I have the Roku app that I
can watch you guys on You've had to transition a
bit with all the new technologies. You know, you have
an eleven year old son too, Does he help you
stay on to what's fourteen?

Speaker 11 (01:03:43):
And eleven and and a nine? And they are It's
amazing because back when I was a kid, you know,
back when I was a kid, it would.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Be what's on channels two, four and seven.

Speaker 11 (01:03:59):
Right now they know what's on an app and they
get pissed at me when I when I go to
try and search for anything on the old Roku device.
They're like, Dad, that's on Paramount plus Dad that's on
that's on Disney like and they and and they say
it with such scorn. I don't understand it, but that's
you know, I take it, I absorb it, and I

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try to get better every day. That's why I have
this sign on my desk every day. I don't know
if anybody's ever going to try to take this away
from me, the best at ever, but you know that's
I'm in my hopefully fourteenth consecutive year of that title
run that I'm on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I want to talk about getting the call, like the
big call, and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
You know, I just knowing your history, you know, just
being you know, a sports anchor and reporterback at a
local station, but moving up to ESPN. When you got
the call that we want you at ESPN, Where were
you and what what was actually said on the call?

Speaker 11 (01:04:54):
So I was in Reading, California at the ABC local
affiliate KRCR Television, and I send a tape to a headhunter,
three of them across the United States. I was twenty
five years old. This was nineteen ninety five, and I'm like,
you know, I was there for a year I'm like,
what does it matter, It's just first class postage.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
I'll send these tapes out.

Speaker 11 (01:05:17):
So they send the tapes out to a headhunter, and
I get a phone call at home from a headhunter
who says to me, I've got a very interesting bite.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
A big time shop is interested in more of your work.

Speaker 11 (01:05:31):
Send the best written material, another tape, Send another tape.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
And then I go to work one day and.

Speaker 11 (01:05:40):
It's a phone where it would ring once, one loud
ring if it was a local call, and a ring
ring if it was outside of the area code. I mean, again,
this is nineteen ninety five, and whenever it would ring ring,
it would it would be my parents or my brother,
because I'm from New York City and they lived in
New Jersey and my brother was in southern California. So

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it never would ring ring twice, and it ring ring,
and I pick up the phone and it was an
agent named Henry Reich from the William Morris Talent Agency,
saying he wanted my reel immediately because I was the
hottest up and coming sportscaster in America according to him
and what he had been hearing. And I'm like, all right,

(01:06:24):
because I'm about to go drive fifty miles into the
Shasta Mountain Range to try and cover a local high
school volleyball game with my three quarter inch camera connected
with a coaxial cable to the deck with a huge,
you know, strap over my other shoulder, one man banding
the whole thing. And so I'm not feeling very hot.
He goes send me to take great, hang up the phone,

(01:06:46):
call my brother up, and I'm like, You'll never guess
what just happened. And I tell him. He goes, get
out of here, no kidding. I'm like, yeah, this's just tappened.
Hanging a phone up, ring, ring, and another one, and
I'm this is in five minutes of each other. And
I'm like, watch, I am such hot. That's ESPN on
the phone. And sure enough, it was a guy named
Al Jaffy from ESPN, their headhunter, who I had sent

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multiple unsolicited tapes and resumes to over the previous five
year period. And it was him telling me that he
had gotten my tape. They really like it and they
want to set up an interview in an audition. And
I thought it was my brother telling all of my
friends back home, call Rich, say you're Al Chaffie all that,
and I thought it was all my friends trying to motherly,

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you know, and it was not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
It was the real deal guy.

Speaker 11 (01:07:33):
And I almost cursed him out, thinking it was a friend,
like who are you? But it was really him, and
I flew down to Los Angeles a few weeks later
to interview. I did with a whole bunch of executives
that were there for the Cable Ace Awards, which no
longer exist. And then a few weeks later I auditioned
for the gig on a Monday after by the way,

(01:07:57):
a snowstorm prevented me from getting half across the country
in the initial time of auditioning, So it was a
long wait, a lot of ups and downs, but I
got the gig after auditioning with Al Jaffe. And that's
my story.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Did you ever have impostor syndrome or at any time
did you have imposter syndrome while you were there, especially
the early days.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
What do you mean, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
You're like, Okay, I'm probably not at the level do
they think I am.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I'm about to do this and I'm not really that good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Oh. My first Sports Center with Larry Beial was the
Sports Center anchor.

Speaker 11 (01:08:28):
He's now out in northern California, and it was this
was before ESPN News, so I was the last guy
that they hired that they threw directly on Sports Center,
and so ESPN News is what they would put guys
and gals on to get their teeth cut and get
up to speed. So I just remember it was a

(01:08:50):
half hour Sports Center on the round of thirty two day,
I believe, or it was a sweet sixteen. It was
the middle of March, so it's probably a round to
thirty two day. And I had eleven highlights. I'd only
seen one of them, so they were going to hand
me ten paperwork shot sheets with it where you could
follow along what's written there to know what the highlights were.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
And I would have to add lib the whole damn thing.

Speaker 11 (01:09:16):
And I remember walking downstairs and saying to myself, I
have two choices. I can either pee down my leg
or I could just suck it up and say I'm
ready for this. And I think I did both, and
it was wild. And I just looked around and the
people that were in the news room were all the
anchors who I had emulated or wanted to emulate, or

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had watched for years.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
And what made me.

Speaker 11 (01:09:41):
Want to be a sports center anchor. And they were
automatically my colleagues. And it was overwhelming, no question about it.
Keith Olberman and Dan Patrick and Kilbourne and you know,
Robin Roberts and Dave, you know, Charlie Steiner, Bob Lee.
I mean, my god, these were all the people that
I was now colleagues with. It was overwhelming, but you know,

(01:10:02):
I was age twenty six, but it was time in
my life seven years met my wife there. My children
are ESPN babies because of that, technically and unbelievable, what
a run.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I watch a lot of your work with the Draft,
and I wonder with people being a big fan of you,
people admiring what you do, do you sometimes get a
lot of inside information that you can't share. Like there's
a fine line of things you know and things you
can actually say.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:10:28):
I mean yeah, But I mean I don't think I'm
I do this thing to break news, you know, And
I say that having a journalism degree from Northwestern, I
know that that's not something you want to say. I
think I'm here to just kind of guide everyone through
what I'm hearing and understand what I can say, what

(01:10:48):
I don't say, you know, I'm not chefter. I muddy
in rapaport, my colleague get the NFL network. That's not
what I'm doing. If I hear something that can break something,
I will do that. But you know, a great for
instance is it. But prior to the twenty eighteen draft,
all I heard this is the draft in Dallas that
it went Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen,

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and then Lamar Jackson was the last quarterback. That was
the quarterback draft of twenty eighteen. We had heard quite
a bit on this show from people who we spoke
to off camera and what I heard at the combine
leading up, we heard a lot that Russell Wilson was
in play. We're like, you get out of here, like
what the hell really? And you know, we didn't say anything,

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which is good because Russell didn't get traded. But now
we found out literally in the week before his home
opener in Seattle, as a member of the Broncos, he
let it be known they did try to trade him
prior to twenty eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
So what we.

Speaker 11 (01:11:47):
Heard was actually accurate. But had we said it, we
would have created this huge stir.

Speaker 9 (01:11:54):
Or.

Speaker 11 (01:11:55):
I shouldn't say that what I say creates a huge stir.
I shouldn't say that. I would just say that we
would have definitely put something out there that might have
gained attention potentially significantly, that would have been inaccurate, even
though it was accurate, And I don't like the traffic
in those waters.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
I would just.

Speaker 11 (01:12:13):
Prefer to kind of make you smarter by by talking
about the things that I think are going to happen,
not what I'm hearing could happen like that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
That is not what I like to traffic in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
You've been running that the forty for a bunch of years. Now,
are you ever going to hit a time where you're like,
all right, I gotta stop doing it. If you hit
like a seven seven seconds, are you going to go like,
I need to pass this down and let my son
do it now?

Speaker 11 (01:12:34):
No, Bobby, If I if I need a walker, that's
when I'll stop. Okay, I had actual help, you know,
doing that. But to be very straightforward with you again, yeah,
there is like at some point, I don't think people
want to watch some guy run, you know, with a
limp and do something particularly bad. My wife wants me

(01:12:56):
to train for it and and I don't know. I mean,
I go back and forth like should I really really
train for it? Like it was sort of like an
everyman approach where just like it's just anybody coming off
the couch and running it. But now maybe as again
I'm fifty three, perhaps me training for it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Could be.

Speaker 11 (01:13:18):
Could be, I guess, an example to people who are
advancing to stay in shape. And maybe that's another aspect
of it that I need to focus on, because the
reason why I do it now and don't want to
give it up is because of the fundraising aspect for
Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
But it has been, you know, amazing.

Speaker 11 (01:13:40):
It's the as you could see here the logo of
my show and what so many people do associate me with.
And it was born, like many things in television, out
of complete boredom waiting.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
To shoot a television show.

Speaker 11 (01:13:54):
As I was sitting next to Terrell Davis under the
buzz of the old RCAA dome which got blown to
smithereens for the News Stadium in Indianapolis, where he said, I said,
how fast do you think I can run the forty?

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
He laughed at me. I cursed at him and went
down and ran.

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
It had no idea that the NFL Network crew on
a break was actually recording it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
They played it back as.

Speaker 11 (01:14:15):
A surprise to me on live TV and it kind
of got a life of its own that still lives today.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Well, Rich, I appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I'm a big fan, like again, and if you guys
have Roku a Roku channel, which I have the Roku app,
and I'm able to catch Rich on al listening on
podcast as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
One of the interviews that I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Really enjoyed was when you talk to the guys that
do the town halls, the Chad Kroger, the you know
when you went and you were like, hey, cause they
go into these town hall meetings and like propose water
towers named after Britney Spear. I thought that was such
a funny interview. And I'll end with this, because you
are interviewing celebrities and athletes, have you had to change
your style or research a bit more because your interviews

(01:14:53):
are a bit different now.

Speaker 11 (01:14:54):
Well, you know, I've got a great production team that's
stuck with me and this show through the pandemic and
through many different partners. Hopefully the Roku channel is the
last switch that I make and I appreciate that you
you got a Roku device just to keep watching. That's
pretty cool. But we we we dig in to see

(01:15:17):
if there is a celebrity sports cross section, because that's
the idea of this show is, you know, uh that
sports is a touchdown of pop culture just as much
as movies and television. The greatest sporting event that the
that the American sports scene puts on in exports, the

(01:15:38):
super Bowl is stopped in the middle for a rock
concert and nobody bats an eyelash anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
So it it. It really is.

Speaker 11 (01:15:45):
Something that I love to put together and I'm thrilled
that the folks at Roku and the Roku channel are
into it too. So whenever a celebrity comes on, we see,
you know, did they play sports or if they're a
diehard fan of the team, happy to dive and let
them be a pundit and give opinions, because I think

(01:16:06):
when a celebrity who's into that comes in to promote
his or her movie or television show or music or album,
they prefer to talk about that rather than the funny
story from their vacation. And then there are some celebrities
who don't know sports very well, and are deathly afraid
that if they come on, it'll be like if you

(01:16:28):
saw the movie Diner, where you know, one of the
characters won't get married to his fiance unless she passes
a quiz on the Baltimore Cult successfully. They feel like
that's what I'm going to do with them or to them,
which is the worst thing for a host to do.
So I try to make it comfortable and just talk
about their movie or TV history. And so we've got to,

(01:16:50):
as I said, a terrific crew that we put together
here and we all, you know, I think, really like
each other. That we come up with a segment called
Celebrity True or fall or we just go through their
history about well, this story was on the internet, this
story was on your IMDb page.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Is it true or false? About your TV show or
about your movies?

Speaker 11 (01:17:11):
And it's just a great way and fans eat it up,
thank goodness. I mean, we had Henry Winkler on the
other month and we talked about Jump the Shark. We
had you know, Gerald McCraney here the other day, from
so many terrific shows. We asked them about Major Dad.
And that's what I love to do, just having people

(01:17:32):
from across a pop culture landscape talk about their movies
and TV. So yes, my long winded answer is yes,
there is a lot more research that goes into it,
but you put up a production construct to place it in.
And not only is it something enjoyable to watch and
listen to live, it's very consumable on an on demand
podcast or YouTube or YouTube page, YouTube dot com slash

(01:17:55):
Richeisenshow has twenty eight thousand videos from our near eight
here history on it, And so yeah, I do love
having celebrities on, and it does require a little bit
more help. Certainly if you mentioned Chat and TJ, they
come on and drop the word paraneum for the first
time in my show's history.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Well listen, big fan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
You guys follow at Rich Eisen at Rich Eisen Show,
Roku as you say, now you'll be announcing a serious
channel really soon radio Like, I'm a total fan boy,
you know. I'll admit it now that it's over, and
I've admitted it six times during But just keep doing
it and I'll be listening every day and hopefully I'll
meet you in real life sometime soon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Rich, thanks a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:18:35):
When you're back here in Los Angeles after waking up
at one in the morning and you're done with your show.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
You come in here and sit next to me. We'll
have a chat, all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Right, buddy, Thank you, Sealtter. I really hope you enjoyed
this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
You know, it's kind of a crossover episode with the
sports show twenty five Whistles. But if you listen to this,
I'm sure you listen to a lot of people that
maybe you weren't a fan of until you actually heard
the interview. So and these weren't super sports related and
I thought you guys man joy them altogether. If you
did enjoy these conversations, there are plenty more like this.
Just go over to twenty five Whistles and subscribe or don't.
I still wanted you to hear them anyway, Thanks again

(01:19:09):
for listening, and thanks to all the guests that joined me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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