May 23, 2020 • 25 mins
Just what the world needs: a planet going in retrograde. Kelly and Chip discuss the effects of a planet being in retrograde and why it may actually not be a bad thing. Even if you roll your eyes at all things astrology, some of their research here may surprise you and remind you why it’s important to always #actcasual!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So just when you think things can't get any worse,
you go ahead and add something like a retrograde into
the mix. Oh my god, I mean, can we not
have just one little moment of peace here? Well, I
mean I didn't know that there were so many retrogrades
and life is fucked right starting my research for this,
(00:25):
it's like every time you turn around, something's going into retrograde. Right. Well,
the one that's most commonly talked about is mercury retro grade.
Everyone always feels like the world is just kind of
going to ship when that happens, and it's just like
communication errors, like equipments breaking. I feel like there's always
like travel issues, it's things like that. But what's happening
right now is called venus retrograde, which has a completely
(00:47):
different effect than mercury. Right yeah. I mean from the
research that I did, every planet can goes into retrograde,
which just means they go spinning backwards. Is that the deal? Yes,
or they appear they appear to whether or not they're
actually spending spinning backwards. One Venus in fact, does spend
the opposite direction as Oarth all the time, but it's there.
(01:11):
It looks like their rotation around the sun is doing
what I read was it looks like a moonwalk backwards moonwalk. Yeah,
look at me, you're just like a regular astrologer over there.
Call me Susan Miller, all right, but yeah, I mean,
and I think the mercury thing, it's it's it happens
(01:31):
like two or three times a year, so it's really frequent.
So that's probably why it's the more popular one, whereas
venus and retrograde is every year and a half to
two years that happened, right, It's not as common. But
this one affects love relationships. What was the other thing?
Beauty and money, you're you're you're spending, habits and your
(01:52):
financial well being an effect to which everything right now
is so different anyway in quarantine. So I feel like
all of these things have been a facted before this
started happening, and this just there's a whole another wrench
in the picture right right Well there, I don't I
don't know the exact dates, but there's something called like
a shadow period with retrogrades, and there's a pre shadow
(02:15):
and a post shadow, and I think so this retrograde
started on May thirteen, and it's going to go until June,
and I think I read that the shadow period started
April nine, which is very far into like when the
king was like, you know, really taking hold. So it's
it's i mean, funny, ironic. I don't even know what
(02:37):
the word is. Interesting. Interesting that like all of these
things were being affected while this global pantanic pandemic was happening,
and there must be some sort of alignment that's causing
this to fall in that time makes sense. I think
the interesting thing about retrogrades though, is, like we were
(02:57):
saying before, you know, mercury retrograde is kind of deemed
as this like terrible time period, and if you talk
to any astrologer about that, they're actually like, it's not
so bad. I don't know why people make it into
such a bad thing. Retrogrades are actually a time to
slow down. There are times of reflection of growth. It's
you know, it's the kind of the time where you
(03:19):
can look at introspectively what you actually want, what's happening
inside of you. It's just knowing how to deal and
knowing what they bring into the world so that you're
not just completely like, oh shit, this is terrible, right, Yeah, No,
I mean everything that I read was about exactly that, like,
and in fact, I've read it as a speed bump
(03:42):
in life, you know, So it's not you're driving your
car into a wall. It's telling you to slow down,
approach things with caution, right and and and and check
your surroundings. And by surroundings, it means look inside. I
like that about a speed bump, which is essentially how
we're all having to live life right now anyway, totally, totally,
(04:02):
and you know, it's funny, like I feel like every
conversation I have about quarantine and I'm you know, I'm
having conversations with people haven't spoken to it a long time.
So there's a lot of those, like you're still having
that same conversation over and over again. But the general
consensus is that like, yes, people are freaked out, but
people are also like leaning into this. There's a lot
of you know, I've heard a lot of stories about
(04:23):
people who had babies right before the quarantine hit, and
I mean, yes, it's a scary time to have a baby,
but what an amazing time for parents to be home.
And it's not they're not rushing back to work a
little more focused. Yeah, especially you know, like, traditionally, the
fathers haven't had the same sort of paternity leave that
mothers have, and they get so little time with their newborns,
(04:46):
and now they get all this amazing time. Um. I
think it's going to have an amazing impact on this generation,
which is also sort of essentially what we're saying about
retrogrades today. I wanted to talk about this because it
is some time. I'm where I'm reading a lot of
articles where people are freaking out and they're just like,
how can we handle one more thing? And the thing
(05:07):
that we said earlier about just knowing what the retrograde
brings can actually make it a really great time. And
if you just act casual, you can learn a lot
during this time, especially about yourself and with venus, your relationship.
So let's talk a little bit about venus rector grade.
What is actually happening happening right now? Wait, first, I
want to know what's your sign? Chip, I'm a Scorpio. Okay,
(05:32):
I have a lot of friends who are scorpios. Yeah,
we're all Valentine's Day, baby, we were like made on
Valentine's Day. It's kind of gross, that's disgusting to think about.
I thank you for that visual. It's like it's like
being conceived at prom, you know what I mean, It's
like the adult person of being conceived a prom. It's
so big, got like a little too drunk. My parents
(05:52):
were on vacation over Valentine's Day and got pregnant. It's
totally are well. I am a cancer, which is already
super emo of a sign, and apparently during Venus retrograde
that the signs that are the most affected are Gemini
(06:13):
cancer and Sagittarius, and my boyfriend is a Sagittarius. This
is gonna be a wild ride. Well, I hope you
all are leaning into the communication about your relationship. The
funny thing is is before I knew this is exactly
my point. Before I knew about Venus retrograde, I was
like a little bit I've been a little bit short
tempered lately, and so like you know, things can agitate
(06:36):
you or you just want to over communicate. That's always
my go to And now that I know what's going on, um,
just you know, with this energy, it does help me
to kind of take a pause and go, maybe I
should go journal instead of taking that one to him
right now? Okay, Well, so Now that we know that,
let's talk about They say specifically, these are the main
(06:56):
points of what not to do in a Venus retrograde.
One of them is don't change anything with love, so
don't do a breakup right now. Don't change anything with money,
and don't change anything with beauty during this time. Correct
like bangs, don't do retrograde bang, whatever you do, don't
(07:17):
cut your bank. Well. Quarantine is also a time where
everyone is feeling like I need a haircut, and it's
like just at this point, just waited out. Salands are
about to reopen. Do not make any changes, especially before June.
Don't go do the bleach, you know, get bleach and
like dye your hair. That's you're going to burn it off.
You already did it so it actually looks really good though,
(07:38):
thank you, But I trust you more than that trust
a lot of people. Well. I also, you know, my
hair is not that long, so if I was a
woman with long hair that don't go chop things off.
All of those things that I was reading into Lord
dot com and they say, Venus is the planet of love,
abundance and beauty. During its retrograde, it's not a good
idea to make drastic changes to your appearance, so hold
(08:00):
off on the quarantine banks. They also say that any
plastic surgery is also ill advised, So maybe it's a
good thing that all these botox and filler places are
kind of they're not open right now, so we can't.
We're not going to be our own worst enemies in
this situation. Yeah, and no, like in home botox, because
(08:22):
is that an option? I mean, I feel like people
do crazy ship all the time. I bet you if
we've researched, we could find pictures of people that did
bo talks themselves. That is one thing I do not
want to do. I would my face would be like paralyzed.
I bet you. There are people that like work in
those clinics that administer both talks to themselves. Oh for sure,
that's another story. Um. Laura also says during this time,
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our lives, our love lives may feel stagnant and an
array of emotions are likely to arise. It's wise to
address these feelings as they come up, Like if you
secretly resent your partner's close relationship with their X, for example,
that's not going to be a secret for much longer.
Add to the fact that many of us are quarantined
with lovers and under tremendous stress. You can bet that
no stone will be left unturned. So they're saying conversations
(09:07):
are going to happen, but if you're aware that, you know,
maybe emotions are a little bit heightened right now, it's
not necessarily the time to bring it all to surface,
or if you do it, do it cautiously. You're right,
like everything that I read said it is it's as
long as what you're doing is to push the relationship
(09:28):
forward and positive, positive, even if it is a difficult conversation,
now is a good time to have them. But it's
not a good time just to decide you're over something
and break up, and it's probably not a good exactly.
It's also you know those times I don't know if
anyone else goes through this, but like if you have
a feeling and you just feel like you have to
tell your partner every single feeling that you have, like
(09:52):
like just like well today I'm feeling this or today
it's like that, and it's like, maybe this is a
time to be extra cautious of those things because they
might weigh on your relationship a lot, right right, you
brought up feelings about X is something that I thought
was interesting and kind of a coincidence, a quarantine coincidence,
and we've spoken about it on here before. Was that
(10:15):
because it's this is love is one of the things
that UM is, you know, heightened during the venus and retrograde.
You can expect to hear from your exes. I'm sorry
I was taken aback because you just said Venice. Nice. Sorry,
I'm not talking about a city in Italy, Venice, ven Sorry,
(10:38):
Thank you for calling me out all that. I would
have been so embarrassed when I listened back. What did
What did they say about the ex is? Sorry? I
got very sad checked They said that you can expect
to hear from them and to use your intuition when
responding because well a right now, like it is fairly
fairly common that exes are reaching out so because from
(11:00):
a time of crisis, and it's okay, But if you
are going to reach out, you have to UM sort
of set your expectations and know what you want out
of it, UM, because it might just be that you
were hoping to hear from an X and it's a
time to reconnect, but not to make any major choices
like if it's if you want to reconnect, lead into it, reconnect,
(11:23):
but don't get back in a relationship right now with
your ex. Right you're referencing the podcast we did last
week about XS is reaching out during quarantine, which that
is an interesting point. I mean, that makes all of
these emotions even more heightened because we've got this energy
of venus and you're in quarantine. Maybe you're lonely, So,
like you said, actually go listen to the podcast because
I think we gave some good tips on how to
(11:43):
navigate that. The other thing to think about that I
read is if you're in a relationship and XS are
reaching out, because they say that might happen too, that's
always a hard one to navigate. Yeah, look, I think
he goes back to the communication like if you if you,
if you choose to respond, there's two manas you can
know about it. Like if you're gonna respond and don't
want to engage, you could say it's great to hear
(12:04):
from you, you know, and sort of like nip it
in the bud. Or if you feel like you want
to be a friend or reconnect with this person, I
think you just have to communicate that with your partner
so that it's clear, because nothing sketchier than doing something
secret secretly, right, even if your intentions are pure, it's
gonna be a really hard to convince your partner that
(12:26):
they were if you hadn't communicated what was going on
at such a good point. I was having that conversation
with another friend I guess this was last week and
her boyfriend, you know it was trying to keep the
peace in a relationship and deleted a text thing because
he was like, it's not a big deal and I
don't want to cause a fight. But then she told
I mean, he ended up telling her and was like,
I shouldn't have probably done that. She's like, you can't
(12:47):
because that makes it look so sketchy, you know, And
that is something that's what is your protocol in relationships?
Do you want to be told if an X reaches
out to your partner? Well, I think it depends on
like the context, how how engaged you are in the
context of it, like yeah, I mean it's and also
like kind of how the relationship ended, like if you
(13:09):
know that history, Like I said this in the past podcast,
like I'm I'm good friends with a lot of my
acts so and and literally have zero interest in dating them.
And again, so I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't. I
could justify doing it, but I think that I would
probably be like make it out and the open that
it did happened, like that's you're communicating. It's such a
(13:31):
fine line because like a lot of times, if you're
like you said, if you're friends with someone and it
can seem like threatening almost like they're just like it's
like what do you want to say? Every single time
you'll text, you want them to be like, hey I
texted with so and so today, Like that can kind
of get exhausting. But at the same time, you really
do have to decide with your partner, Like I, you know,
(13:52):
we kind of have an arrangement where it's like if
a random reaches out, I mean, we're going to tell
each other because there's just like a no secrets thing,
which makes you feel more secure. I think it makes
him feel more secure. But but again it's like it
just depends on your relationship. I guess yeah, And look,
I think that openness and honesty is what makes a
healthy relationship. And even if what you're doing is um
(14:16):
like I said, with pure intention, like if you're keeping
it secret, it it puts a fog on it. Then
it causes doubt in your partner, it breaks the trust.
So I think the more open you can be, especially
in a time like venus and retrograde, when it's relationship
stuff is heightened anyway, So it's all about communication exactly,
(14:41):
then like over the overly communicative exactly, And if you
think it's going to cause problems in your relationship, then
it's probably best to let your gut speak to you
and don't respond, you know, right, that's a good point
to you don't always have to respond. Another question that
I read about was will venus retrograde as breakups, which
on the heels of this conversation, I mean, I think
(15:03):
that's an easy transition, and Women's Health dot Com says
it can. But if the breakups occurred during this time,
just know that they probably would have happened anyway, or
they should have happened anyway. Like, it's not a time
that's going to cause a breakup. It might just heighten
things so that that breakup happens a little quicker, But
it could also go the opposite way, so where you
(15:23):
know there's these issues coming up, like we were just saying,
and it can strengthen your relationship because you actually work
through these things and you work through some underlying issues
that might have always been there well. And I think
further to that is, if you know, if a problem
arises that it looks like it's moving towards breakup, don't jump,
don't jump to that conclusion. I think now is a
(15:43):
really good time to try to work through it and
communicate through it. Whereas you know, I think a lot
of relationships end sometimes for stupid reasons and it's just
a fight that you can't get past and communication has
been poor. So maybe this is a time to like
slow the role on the break up and and give
yourself the time to work through it. Yeah, like that
(16:04):
you said, you read an article in the Huffington's Post
with some notes on the things that are heightened during
Venus retrograde. Is that right? Yes? Yeah? This is It
is um eight ways to protect your beauty, love, relationships,
and money. And this is actually from two thousand fifteen,
but it's still obviously um it pertains to what's going
(16:24):
on right now because this is every time that Venus
is retrograde relevant if you will yes, so it says,
hold off on getting married or making wedding plans. Well,
anyone has to worry about that? Well yeah, right now,
it's like you can't even get married, right, but you
can't have a way to zoom. Don't do a zoom wedding, okay, thanks.
Do not begin a new relationship or breakup from the
(16:46):
one you're in. Why did they don't begin a new one? Okay,
I'll just read this. A little thing says Venus rules love,
relationship and partnerships of all kinds. The retrograde is not
a time for moving forward new beginnings. You're changing the
status quo you are. You're not operating from a practical
place of objectivity about your needs. Your heart is plugged
into love, romance, and sensuality. You may be so attracted
(17:08):
to someone that you cannot see how they can do
any wrong. If you've just met someone, just enjoy them
without feeling a need to tell your relatives and friends
this is the one. If you've been dating someone for
a while, take a breath before you escalate your romantic commitment.
If you've been in a serious relationship for some time,
hold off a little longer to propose Okay, so just
(17:28):
no major changes including proposing, breaking up, or taking things
to the next level. Okay, interesting, What's next? UM Number
three is make an appraisal of your current relationship. I
think you know we've touched on that. So prepare for
old relationships to return to your life. Be aware of
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making changes in your beauty and overall appearance. But no
thanks postpone monetary matters, which I'll touch on that because
that really hit home for me. Well, I've been over
the last few months, I've had a desire to sell
my house and and find something new, move to a
(18:09):
different neighborhood. And it's been a process, like I looked
at one million homes, it feels like, and I have
looked at land and um just trying to figure out
what it is exactly that I want versus just the
itch to have something different. And over the last couple
of weeks, like I've sort of slowed my role a
little bit and like subconsciously consciously, And I think a
(18:33):
lot of it probably had to do with like ship
we're in the middle of a global pandemic, Like I
took a pay cut. Maybe this isn't the best time.
But in reading about this, stuff. I'm like, wait, maybe
it was subconsciously the retrograde of Venus speaking to me,
this is not a good time to do it, um,
just and it's it's been weird because it hasn't been
(18:54):
like a heavy decision. It's been more of a gut decision.
And when my realtor sends me thing, it's like, I
hate telling her. I don't like it because I feel
like I should be looking for something, but like nothing
is speaking to me right now. The only things that
are speaking to me are out of my reach. And
I don't want to overspend and I don't want to
get into a place where I'm also poor, you know, right, well,
(19:15):
so this is a great time. I mean, this is
a great note for you to even think about that
and be a little more peaceful in trusting your debt.
Right interesting, Okay, totally, Um number seven is reconsidered whether
or not it is the right time for an investment,
which you know, we just sort of and then cautiously
evaluate any luxury items that you want to buy. Now
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is not the time for extravagance. I mean, luckily for
all of us, maybe this is a great thing that
we're in this pandemic right now because a lot of
these issues just are kind of irrelevant. I think a
lot of us are already doing these things, like avoiding
the lave or maybe I'm wrong, but I know, for
me avoiding the luxury items, like I haven't been spending
the way I used to spend cut back right now,
you know we had to. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
(19:59):
that has been sort of a blessing here. I guess it's.
I mean I basically shocked at two places right now,
the grocery store and Amazon. That's what you're going to say,
the grocery store and the liquor store. Just me, No, Well,
you know, I was a stocked up on liquor, so
I can get beer and wine in the en fair enough.
(20:21):
But but Amazon is for all the other like non essentially,
I'm like, I've really learned to sort of check myself
when I'm on there, Like I'll fill up my cart
and then I go through and delete ship. Yeah, I mean,
this is it essential? So why are you buying another
book when you haven't read the ones you have? Exactly? Yeah?
What about you were mentioning that you think you might
(20:42):
be you might have been born during a venus retrograde.
Why do you think that? Well, okay, so some here's
the thing about my astrological knowledge and just how I
feel about it in general, like i've I've often, you know,
I questioned the validity of it. But then I read
definitely yeah, And then you read stuff and you're like,
(21:02):
oh my god, this is nail on, you know, like
and um, so a lot of things were like pointing
towards me feeling like maybe I was born in retro
Venus and retrograde, but then some things aren't. Basically what
I read was ten percent of people, somewhere between eight
and ten percent of people are born in Venus and retrograde.
And and some of the qualities of those people are
(21:25):
that you sort of you marched the beat of your
own drum. You you um, you don't bow to societal norms.
You seek up to fulfill a higher, higher spiritual purpose. Um.
You like you like there's a desire to like seek
your own truth, even if it makes life a little
(21:46):
bit more complicated, like because you're going against the flow. Um,
there is I'll read this. This is from Cafe Astrology
dot com. It says people born under Venus retrograde. I
have to watch self sabotage and love relationships. They may
have an underlying feeling of not being good enough, attractive enough,
or lovable enough. Deep insecurities can be present. Self love
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can be an issue. Fears can lead them to overcompensate,
such as to overeat and serial date. So there was
there's like all these things, like a lot of that
does apply to me. Um, but then there's some things
where it's like, um, you're shying your youth because of awkwardness,
small talk, social graces, you have a version of superficialities. Um,
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love is extremely important. So some of those things do
which I check those boxes and some of them they
don't check. So um, But it was I don't know
how to figure out if that's in my chart or not.
So I was doing the research and try and figure
it out, and I just I couldn't figure out. I'm
probably gonna have to go to Marv and have him
let me know. Well, funny that you should mention that,
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because in five minutes I have a session with Marv.
So I'm marvels are astrologer. If you got have not
listened to my podcast with him, he is insanely smart
and it just makes this whole thing very interesting. I
do think it's a hard thing for a lot of
people to buy into. I know my boyfriend specifically is like, okay, retrograde,
you know, like just it's just like whatever. People don't
(23:14):
buy into it. But if you read about it like
you're saying, I think it's an interesting thing to think about,
and especially to put on your plate during this quarantine
time and maybe to think about maybe taking a little
bit of a pause before you get in these major
fights or make any huge decisions in relationships and love
and money. Beauty, please don't cut your bangs things like that. Um, basically, yeah,
(23:37):
I mean, I was just thinking the main notes that
I took away after researching today where you know, I'm
going to just take a little breath, and it actually
helped ease a little bit of my anxiety of some
things I've been thinking about, and just like take it
to the journal, right it out. You can always make
the decision later. You don't have to do it right
this second. This ends June, right, so who knows where
the world could be at that time. We could be
out of quarantine even who knows. But and you don't
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want add bangs at that point because somebody, if you
don't have somebody want I wanted to add something to
it too, And UM, I thought this was a really
interesting thing because I've heard the quote before and UM,
you know, I don't know why this is a generalization,
but I feel like we have more female listeners and
we have male listeners. But I wanted to sort of
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inject this because it sort of brings the mail into
this conversation a little bit. So, UM, I never really
knew what men are from being a men are from Mars,
women are from Venus even met but UM, I found
this thing. I believe it was an helping compost and
it says that saying is outdated and gendered, but if
we look at it through the modern lens and understand
that gender is fluid, it can still help us to
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understand what these two planets and the resulting retrogrades mean.
We all contain both masculine and feminine energy. Venus is
a softer, nurturing counterpart to the more heavy aggressive energy
of Mars. Ramp up that self care and nurture your
inner child. I think that's a great point to leave
on to just really like take this time to get
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introspective and ask yourself what you need, which I mean
we all need to be doing anyway during this quarantine time.
If you ask, yeah, look, don't let this time be wasted.
It's a great time to really like be introspective and
and build yourself up for when the world opens back up,
so you come out stronger and more um centered. I
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think the biggest point we need to make is that
if nothing else, a retrograde is the perfect time to
just remember act bye.
So just when you think things can't get any worse,
you go ahead and add something like a retrograde into
the mix. Oh my god, I mean, can we not
have just one little moment of peace here? Well, I
mean I didn't know that there were so many retrogrades
and life is fucked right starting my research for this,
(00:25):
it's like every time you turn around, something's going into retrograde. Right. Well,
the one that's most commonly talked about is mercury retro grade.
Everyone always feels like the world is just kind of
going to ship when that happens, and it's just like
communication errors, like equipments breaking. I feel like there's always
like travel issues, it's things like that. But what's happening
right now is called venus retrograde, which has a completely
(00:47):
different effect than mercury. Right yeah. I mean from the
research that I did, every planet can goes into retrograde,
which just means they go spinning backwards. Is that the deal? Yes,
or they appear they appear to whether or not they're
actually spending spinning backwards. One Venus in fact, does spend
the opposite direction as Oarth all the time, but it's there.
(01:11):
It looks like their rotation around the sun is doing
what I read was it looks like a moonwalk backwards moonwalk. Yeah,
look at me, you're just like a regular astrologer over there.
Call me Susan Miller, all right, but yeah, I mean,
and I think the mercury thing, it's it's it happens
(01:31):
like two or three times a year, so it's really frequent.
So that's probably why it's the more popular one, whereas
venus and retrograde is every year and a half to
two years that happened, right, It's not as common. But
this one affects love relationships. What was the other thing?
Beauty and money, you're you're you're spending, habits and your
(01:52):
financial well being an effect to which everything right now
is so different anyway in quarantine. So I feel like
all of these things have been a facted before this
started happening, and this just there's a whole another wrench
in the picture right right Well there, I don't I
don't know the exact dates, but there's something called like
a shadow period with retrogrades, and there's a pre shadow
(02:15):
and a post shadow, and I think so this retrograde
started on May thirteen, and it's going to go until June,
and I think I read that the shadow period started
April nine, which is very far into like when the
king was like, you know, really taking hold. So it's
it's i mean, funny, ironic. I don't even know what
(02:37):
the word is. Interesting. Interesting that like all of these
things were being affected while this global pantanic pandemic was happening,
and there must be some sort of alignment that's causing
this to fall in that time makes sense. I think
the interesting thing about retrogrades though, is, like we were
(02:57):
saying before, you know, mercury retrograde is kind of deemed
as this like terrible time period, and if you talk
to any astrologer about that, they're actually like, it's not
so bad. I don't know why people make it into
such a bad thing. Retrogrades are actually a time to
slow down. There are times of reflection of growth. It's
you know, it's the kind of the time where you
(03:19):
can look at introspectively what you actually want, what's happening
inside of you. It's just knowing how to deal and
knowing what they bring into the world so that you're
not just completely like, oh shit, this is terrible, right, Yeah, No,
I mean everything that I read was about exactly that, like,
and in fact, I've read it as a speed bump
(03:42):
in life, you know, So it's not you're driving your
car into a wall. It's telling you to slow down,
approach things with caution, right and and and and check
your surroundings. And by surroundings, it means look inside. I
like that about a speed bump, which is essentially how
we're all having to live life right now anyway, totally, totally,
(04:02):
and you know, it's funny, like I feel like every
conversation I have about quarantine and I'm you know, I'm
having conversations with people haven't spoken to it a long time.
So there's a lot of those, like you're still having
that same conversation over and over again. But the general
consensus is that like, yes, people are freaked out, but
people are also like leaning into this. There's a lot
of you know, I've heard a lot of stories about
(04:23):
people who had babies right before the quarantine hit, and
I mean, yes, it's a scary time to have a baby,
but what an amazing time for parents to be home.
And it's not they're not rushing back to work a
little more focused. Yeah, especially you know, like, traditionally, the
fathers haven't had the same sort of paternity leave that
mothers have, and they get so little time with their newborns,
(04:46):
and now they get all this amazing time. Um. I
think it's going to have an amazing impact on this generation,
which is also sort of essentially what we're saying about
retrogrades today. I wanted to talk about this because it
is some time. I'm where I'm reading a lot of
articles where people are freaking out and they're just like,
how can we handle one more thing? And the thing
(05:07):
that we said earlier about just knowing what the retrograde
brings can actually make it a really great time. And
if you just act casual, you can learn a lot
during this time, especially about yourself and with venus, your relationship.
So let's talk a little bit about venus rector grade.
What is actually happening happening right now? Wait, first, I
want to know what's your sign? Chip, I'm a Scorpio. Okay,
(05:32):
I have a lot of friends who are scorpios. Yeah,
we're all Valentine's Day, baby, we were like made on
Valentine's Day. It's kind of gross, that's disgusting to think about.
I thank you for that visual. It's like it's like
being conceived at prom, you know what I mean, It's
like the adult person of being conceived a prom. It's
so big, got like a little too drunk. My parents
(05:52):
were on vacation over Valentine's Day and got pregnant. It's
totally are well. I am a cancer, which is already
super emo of a sign, and apparently during Venus retrograde
that the signs that are the most affected are Gemini
(06:13):
cancer and Sagittarius, and my boyfriend is a Sagittarius. This
is gonna be a wild ride. Well, I hope you
all are leaning into the communication about your relationship. The
funny thing is is before I knew this is exactly
my point. Before I knew about Venus retrograde, I was
like a little bit I've been a little bit short
tempered lately, and so like you know, things can agitate
(06:36):
you or you just want to over communicate. That's always
my go to And now that I know what's going on, um,
just you know, with this energy, it does help me
to kind of take a pause and go, maybe I
should go journal instead of taking that one to him
right now? Okay, Well, so Now that we know that,
let's talk about They say specifically, these are the main
(06:56):
points of what not to do in a Venus retrograde.
One of them is don't change anything with love, so
don't do a breakup right now. Don't change anything with money,
and don't change anything with beauty during this time. Correct
like bangs, don't do retrograde bang, whatever you do, don't
(07:17):
cut your bank. Well. Quarantine is also a time where
everyone is feeling like I need a haircut, and it's
like just at this point, just waited out. Salands are
about to reopen. Do not make any changes, especially before June.
Don't go do the bleach, you know, get bleach and
like dye your hair. That's you're going to burn it off.
You already did it so it actually looks really good though,
(07:38):
thank you, But I trust you more than that trust
a lot of people. Well. I also, you know, my
hair is not that long, so if I was a
woman with long hair that don't go chop things off.
All of those things that I was reading into Lord
dot com and they say, Venus is the planet of love,
abundance and beauty. During its retrograde, it's not a good
idea to make drastic changes to your appearance, so hold
(08:00):
off on the quarantine banks. They also say that any
plastic surgery is also ill advised, So maybe it's a
good thing that all these botox and filler places are
kind of they're not open right now, so we can't.
We're not going to be our own worst enemies in
this situation. Yeah, and no, like in home botox, because
(08:22):
is that an option? I mean, I feel like people
do crazy ship all the time. I bet you if
we've researched, we could find pictures of people that did
bo talks themselves. That is one thing I do not
want to do. I would my face would be like paralyzed.
I bet you. There are people that like work in
those clinics that administer both talks to themselves. Oh for sure,
that's another story. Um. Laura also says during this time,
(08:44):
our lives, our love lives may feel stagnant and an
array of emotions are likely to arise. It's wise to
address these feelings as they come up, Like if you
secretly resent your partner's close relationship with their X, for example,
that's not going to be a secret for much longer.
Add to the fact that many of us are quarantined
with lovers and under tremendous stress. You can bet that
no stone will be left unturned. So they're saying conversations
(09:07):
are going to happen, but if you're aware that, you know,
maybe emotions are a little bit heightened right now, it's
not necessarily the time to bring it all to surface,
or if you do it, do it cautiously. You're right,
like everything that I read said it is it's as
long as what you're doing is to push the relationship
(09:28):
forward and positive, positive, even if it is a difficult conversation,
now is a good time to have them. But it's
not a good time just to decide you're over something
and break up, and it's probably not a good exactly.
It's also you know those times I don't know if
anyone else goes through this, but like if you have
a feeling and you just feel like you have to
tell your partner every single feeling that you have, like
(09:52):
like just like well today I'm feeling this or today
it's like that, and it's like, maybe this is a
time to be extra cautious of those things because they
might weigh on your relationship a lot, right right, you
brought up feelings about X is something that I thought
was interesting and kind of a coincidence, a quarantine coincidence,
and we've spoken about it on here before. Was that
(10:15):
because it's this is love is one of the things
that UM is, you know, heightened during the venus and retrograde.
You can expect to hear from your exes. I'm sorry
I was taken aback because you just said Venice. Nice. Sorry,
I'm not talking about a city in Italy, Venice, ven Sorry,
(10:38):
Thank you for calling me out all that. I would
have been so embarrassed when I listened back. What did
What did they say about the ex is? Sorry? I
got very sad checked They said that you can expect
to hear from them and to use your intuition when
responding because well a right now, like it is fairly
fairly common that exes are reaching out so because from
(11:00):
a time of crisis, and it's okay, But if you
are going to reach out, you have to UM sort
of set your expectations and know what you want out
of it, UM, because it might just be that you
were hoping to hear from an X and it's a
time to reconnect, but not to make any major choices
like if it's if you want to reconnect, lead into it, reconnect,
(11:23):
but don't get back in a relationship right now with
your ex. Right you're referencing the podcast we did last
week about XS is reaching out during quarantine, which that
is an interesting point. I mean, that makes all of
these emotions even more heightened because we've got this energy
of venus and you're in quarantine. Maybe you're lonely, So,
like you said, actually go listen to the podcast because
I think we gave some good tips on how to
(11:43):
navigate that. The other thing to think about that I
read is if you're in a relationship and XS are
reaching out, because they say that might happen too, that's
always a hard one to navigate. Yeah, look, I think
he goes back to the communication like if you if you,
if you choose to respond, there's two manas you can
know about it. Like if you're gonna respond and don't
want to engage, you could say it's great to hear
(12:04):
from you, you know, and sort of like nip it
in the bud. Or if you feel like you want
to be a friend or reconnect with this person, I
think you just have to communicate that with your partner
so that it's clear, because nothing sketchier than doing something
secret secretly, right, even if your intentions are pure, it's
gonna be a really hard to convince your partner that
(12:26):
they were if you hadn't communicated what was going on
at such a good point. I was having that conversation
with another friend I guess this was last week and
her boyfriend, you know it was trying to keep the
peace in a relationship and deleted a text thing because
he was like, it's not a big deal and I
don't want to cause a fight. But then she told
I mean, he ended up telling her and was like,
I shouldn't have probably done that. She's like, you can't
(12:47):
because that makes it look so sketchy, you know, And
that is something that's what is your protocol in relationships?
Do you want to be told if an X reaches
out to your partner? Well, I think it depends on
like the context, how how engaged you are in the
context of it, like yeah, I mean it's and also
like kind of how the relationship ended, like if you
(13:09):
know that history, Like I said this in the past podcast,
like I'm I'm good friends with a lot of my
acts so and and literally have zero interest in dating them.
And again, so I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't. I
could justify doing it, but I think that I would
probably be like make it out and the open that
it did happened, like that's you're communicating. It's such a
(13:31):
fine line because like a lot of times, if you're
like you said, if you're friends with someone and it
can seem like threatening almost like they're just like it's
like what do you want to say? Every single time
you'll text, you want them to be like, hey I
texted with so and so today, Like that can kind
of get exhausting. But at the same time, you really
do have to decide with your partner, Like I, you know,
(13:52):
we kind of have an arrangement where it's like if
a random reaches out, I mean, we're going to tell
each other because there's just like a no secrets thing,
which makes you feel more secure. I think it makes
him feel more secure. But but again it's like it
just depends on your relationship. I guess yeah, And look,
I think that openness and honesty is what makes a
healthy relationship. And even if what you're doing is um
(14:16):
like I said, with pure intention, like if you're keeping
it secret, it it puts a fog on it. Then
it causes doubt in your partner, it breaks the trust.
So I think the more open you can be, especially
in a time like venus and retrograde, when it's relationship
stuff is heightened anyway, So it's all about communication exactly,
(14:41):
then like over the overly communicative exactly, And if you
think it's going to cause problems in your relationship, then
it's probably best to let your gut speak to you
and don't respond, you know, right, that's a good point
to you don't always have to respond. Another question that
I read about was will venus retrograde as breakups, which
on the heels of this conversation, I mean, I think
(15:03):
that's an easy transition, and Women's Health dot Com says
it can. But if the breakups occurred during this time,
just know that they probably would have happened anyway, or
they should have happened anyway. Like, it's not a time
that's going to cause a breakup. It might just heighten
things so that that breakup happens a little quicker, But
it could also go the opposite way, so where you
(15:23):
know there's these issues coming up, like we were just saying,
and it can strengthen your relationship because you actually work
through these things and you work through some underlying issues
that might have always been there well. And I think
further to that is, if you know, if a problem
arises that it looks like it's moving towards breakup, don't jump,
don't jump to that conclusion. I think now is a
(15:43):
really good time to try to work through it and
communicate through it. Whereas you know, I think a lot
of relationships end sometimes for stupid reasons and it's just
a fight that you can't get past and communication has
been poor. So maybe this is a time to like
slow the role on the break up and and give
yourself the time to work through it. Yeah, like that
(16:04):
you said, you read an article in the Huffington's Post
with some notes on the things that are heightened during
Venus retrograde. Is that right? Yes? Yeah? This is It
is um eight ways to protect your beauty, love, relationships,
and money. And this is actually from two thousand fifteen,
but it's still obviously um it pertains to what's going
(16:24):
on right now because this is every time that Venus
is retrograde relevant if you will yes, so it says,
hold off on getting married or making wedding plans. Well,
anyone has to worry about that? Well yeah, right now,
it's like you can't even get married, right, but you
can't have a way to zoom. Don't do a zoom wedding, okay, thanks.
Do not begin a new relationship or breakup from the
(16:46):
one you're in. Why did they don't begin a new one? Okay,
I'll just read this. A little thing says Venus rules love,
relationship and partnerships of all kinds. The retrograde is not
a time for moving forward new beginnings. You're changing the
status quo you are. You're not operating from a practical
place of objectivity about your needs. Your heart is plugged
into love, romance, and sensuality. You may be so attracted
(17:08):
to someone that you cannot see how they can do
any wrong. If you've just met someone, just enjoy them
without feeling a need to tell your relatives and friends
this is the one. If you've been dating someone for
a while, take a breath before you escalate your romantic commitment.
If you've been in a serious relationship for some time,
hold off a little longer to propose Okay, so just
(17:28):
no major changes including proposing, breaking up, or taking things
to the next level. Okay, interesting, What's next? UM Number
three is make an appraisal of your current relationship. I
think you know we've touched on that. So prepare for
old relationships to return to your life. Be aware of
(17:49):
making changes in your beauty and overall appearance. But no
thanks postpone monetary matters, which I'll touch on that because
that really hit home for me. Well, I've been over
the last few months, I've had a desire to sell
my house and and find something new, move to a
(18:09):
different neighborhood. And it's been a process, like I looked
at one million homes, it feels like, and I have
looked at land and um just trying to figure out
what it is exactly that I want versus just the
itch to have something different. And over the last couple
of weeks, like I've sort of slowed my role a
little bit and like subconsciously consciously, And I think a
(18:33):
lot of it probably had to do with like ship
we're in the middle of a global pandemic, Like I
took a pay cut. Maybe this isn't the best time.
But in reading about this, stuff. I'm like, wait, maybe
it was subconsciously the retrograde of Venus speaking to me,
this is not a good time to do it, um,
just and it's it's been weird because it hasn't been
(18:54):
like a heavy decision. It's been more of a gut decision.
And when my realtor sends me thing, it's like, I
hate telling her. I don't like it because I feel
like I should be looking for something, but like nothing
is speaking to me right now. The only things that
are speaking to me are out of my reach. And
I don't want to overspend and I don't want to
get into a place where I'm also poor, you know, right, well,
(19:15):
so this is a great time. I mean, this is
a great note for you to even think about that
and be a little more peaceful in trusting your debt.
Right interesting, Okay, totally, Um number seven is reconsidered whether
or not it is the right time for an investment,
which you know, we just sort of and then cautiously
evaluate any luxury items that you want to buy. Now
(19:35):
is not the time for extravagance. I mean, luckily for
all of us, maybe this is a great thing that
we're in this pandemic right now because a lot of
these issues just are kind of irrelevant. I think a
lot of us are already doing these things, like avoiding
the lave or maybe I'm wrong, but I know, for
me avoiding the luxury items, like I haven't been spending
the way I used to spend cut back right now,
you know we had to. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
(19:59):
that has been sort of a blessing here. I guess it's.
I mean I basically shocked at two places right now,
the grocery store and Amazon. That's what you're going to say,
the grocery store and the liquor store. Just me, No, Well,
you know, I was a stocked up on liquor, so
I can get beer and wine in the en fair enough.
(20:21):
But but Amazon is for all the other like non essentially,
I'm like, I've really learned to sort of check myself
when I'm on there, Like I'll fill up my cart
and then I go through and delete ship. Yeah, I mean,
this is it essential? So why are you buying another
book when you haven't read the ones you have? Exactly? Yeah?
What about you were mentioning that you think you might
(20:42):
be you might have been born during a venus retrograde.
Why do you think that? Well, okay, so some here's
the thing about my astrological knowledge and just how I
feel about it in general, like i've I've often, you know,
I questioned the validity of it. But then I read
definitely yeah, And then you read stuff and you're like,
(21:02):
oh my god, this is nail on, you know, like
and um, so a lot of things were like pointing
towards me feeling like maybe I was born in retro
Venus and retrograde, but then some things aren't. Basically what
I read was ten percent of people, somewhere between eight
and ten percent of people are born in Venus and retrograde.
And and some of the qualities of those people are
(21:25):
that you sort of you marched the beat of your
own drum. You you um, you don't bow to societal norms.
You seek up to fulfill a higher, higher spiritual purpose. Um.
You like you like there's a desire to like seek
your own truth, even if it makes life a little
(21:46):
bit more complicated, like because you're going against the flow. Um,
there is I'll read this. This is from Cafe Astrology
dot com. It says people born under Venus retrograde. I
have to watch self sabotage and love relationships. They may
have an underlying feeling of not being good enough, attractive enough,
or lovable enough. Deep insecurities can be present. Self love
(22:09):
can be an issue. Fears can lead them to overcompensate,
such as to overeat and serial date. So there was
there's like all these things, like a lot of that
does apply to me. Um, but then there's some things
where it's like, um, you're shying your youth because of awkwardness,
small talk, social graces, you have a version of superficialities. Um,
(22:31):
love is extremely important. So some of those things do
which I check those boxes and some of them they
don't check. So um, But it was I don't know
how to figure out if that's in my chart or not.
So I was doing the research and try and figure
it out, and I just I couldn't figure out. I'm
probably gonna have to go to Marv and have him
let me know. Well, funny that you should mention that,
(22:52):
because in five minutes I have a session with Marv.
So I'm marvels are astrologer. If you got have not
listened to my podcast with him, he is insanely smart
and it just makes this whole thing very interesting. I
do think it's a hard thing for a lot of
people to buy into. I know my boyfriend specifically is like, okay, retrograde,
you know, like just it's just like whatever. People don't
(23:14):
buy into it. But if you read about it like
you're saying, I think it's an interesting thing to think about,
and especially to put on your plate during this quarantine
time and maybe to think about maybe taking a little
bit of a pause before you get in these major
fights or make any huge decisions in relationships and love
and money. Beauty, please don't cut your bangs things like that. Um, basically, yeah,
(23:37):
I mean, I was just thinking the main notes that
I took away after researching today where you know, I'm
going to just take a little breath, and it actually
helped ease a little bit of my anxiety of some
things I've been thinking about, and just like take it
to the journal, right it out. You can always make
the decision later. You don't have to do it right
this second. This ends June, right, so who knows where
the world could be at that time. We could be
out of quarantine even who knows. But and you don't
(23:59):
want add bangs at that point because somebody, if you
don't have somebody want I wanted to add something to
it too, And UM, I thought this was a really
interesting thing because I've heard the quote before and UM,
you know, I don't know why this is a generalization,
but I feel like we have more female listeners and
we have male listeners. But I wanted to sort of
(24:21):
inject this because it sort of brings the mail into
this conversation a little bit. So, UM, I never really
knew what men are from being a men are from Mars,
women are from Venus even met but UM, I found
this thing. I believe it was an helping compost and
it says that saying is outdated and gendered, but if
we look at it through the modern lens and understand
that gender is fluid, it can still help us to
(24:44):
understand what these two planets and the resulting retrogrades mean.
We all contain both masculine and feminine energy. Venus is
a softer, nurturing counterpart to the more heavy aggressive energy
of Mars. Ramp up that self care and nurture your
inner child. I think that's a great point to leave
on to just really like take this time to get
(25:04):
introspective and ask yourself what you need, which I mean
we all need to be doing anyway during this quarantine time.
If you ask, yeah, look, don't let this time be wasted.
It's a great time to really like be introspective and
and build yourself up for when the world opens back up,
so you come out stronger and more um centered. I
(25:26):
think the biggest point we need to make is that
if nothing else, a retrograde is the perfect time to
just remember act bye.
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