April 5, 2024 • 40 mins
Unless you live under a rock, you have seen the headlines about Brittany and Abby Hensel, conjoined twins who are making news recently about Abby getting married. The thing most people aren't reading about is that this happened in 2021, yet somehow just making news by going viral on social media. Of course this topic is super complex and brings up A LOT of questions, but the bigger point being how the twins are being treated on social media and in the press. Kelly and Chip discuss some of the issues they see happening with our current consumption of information and mis-truths, but also bring up the lack of empathy and kindness that seems like the natural reaction nowadays to anything and everything. They also discuss their questions about the complexities of the twin's lives and give some interesting information about their lives not being written about in the tabloids.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Now I'm gun shy about how to start a podcast
after last week and then getting distracted by my cats.
Apparently that is a big thing of neighbors getting pissed
off that their cats disappear to other neighbors' houses. And like,
I've gotten sent so many tiktoks and stuff from Twitter
(00:29):
and things like that since I posted about being obsessed
with my neighbor's cat. I mean, this was unknowingly my
neighbor's cat just started gravitating towards my house. We've developed
an intense bond, I would like to think.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I would like to say, I mean that's what it appeared.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
To me, right, Well, it's maybe one side it, but well,
I mean she.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Does visit, she keeps coming back.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
My mother's best friend had a cat that disappeared literally
for three years once and then back up, and the
only assumption was that someone letter into their house.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, and she lived life.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, But I'm like, let me go ask around my
neighborhood in my street. First. Sure enough, two doors down
was like, yeah, that's our cat. I was like, cool.
They're like she goes out in the day and then
she'll just come back at night. But I'm like I
wonder if she does do it forever for longer. Also,
it's just like you don't know where they came from,
so you almost just let them in out of Oh
(01:26):
my god, is this astray? Like do I need to
help them? I just can't believe I'm a cat lady now.
I'm like so upset by it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I would also, I mean, I would be beside myself
if my cat didn't come home one night, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Like you saw my reaction last week, and I was
like you, because I'm not just a pussy, just a pussy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, it's just like change one letter. What do
you mean, uppy pussy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh right, one letter double there you go. Well look
at that. Hey, happy Friday, you guys, hie. Nothing like
a little pussy talk to get your Friday started right. Okay,
that's actually not what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's actually kind.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh there talk?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So okay, Well, yeah, that was a very interesting transition
because I know what we're talking about. Okay, this is
one of those ones. There's definitely topics where I feel
like Chip and I go back and forth for like
a week and we're thinking, can we talk about this?
How do we talk about this. We have obviously grown
(02:40):
and changed, I would say as a podcast through the years,
and some of that has been great for people, and
some of that's been upsetting. But I have to go
with my own evolution, and I think you feel the
same way. And it's like, if I'm trying to do
certain things in my personal life, I have to do that.
I have to like include that in my work and
the conversations I'm having publicly and what we're bringing to
(03:04):
the world. Like I personally feel like I need that
to all be in alignment, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I mean, look, I do love to poke fun,
but the older I get, the older I get, like
I would I much prefer to poke fun at my
friends who I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, I'm poking fun like it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Fair to judge and make fun of people, circumstances whatever
that you really don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So well, let's get real here. You and I used
to do that on this podcast all the time. I'm
trying to sit here on some high fucking horse and
be like, oh, I'm above this everyone, but let me
tell you what happens. I mean, everyone knows what happened
to me. But it's like when something happens in your
life specifically, and I think you witnessed enough of that
with me, and also you've seen it with the clients
(03:52):
that you work with. In the way the media works
in general, and it's so destructive to people's lives and
it's so not accurate that I think once you realize
how false and fake and straight up lies that are
in the news, you kind of go, wait a second,
like I can't condone this, I can't be a part
(04:14):
of this. And anything that we're talking about here pop
culture wise is actually just you know, we're trying not
to do the same thing that the news is doing
right now, which we think is all about clicks and
about like right the headlines and they'll say anything.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Just not just news either at social media.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And it's well, I think it's stemmed from social media.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And it's it's stemmed from the digitization of media because
it used to be you know, real nightly news. There
were like it was like real reporters doing real stories
that we're digging, same thing with newspapers and magazines. But
now that it's about like instant like get stuff up quickly,
(04:53):
a lot of that has been gone out the window,
you know, and it's it literally is about getting clicks.
Like I recognized it when I had a client have
something happen.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And it was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Media outlets were stooping to the level of what normally
it would just be the tabloids saying. And it was
really eye opening for me because I'm like, fuck these people,
We're never going to speak to them again, like they
are blacklisted.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's it's one thing to tell an uncomfortable story, but
tell it with facts or at least with you know,
some humanity to it. And so I was able to
witness it, you know, very firsthand, like what clickbait does.
So it's like for everyone out there who's had to
be on the receiving end of that bullshit, like I
(05:46):
feel for you, Thank you well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I said to you the moment that really hit me
the worst, and you're being very PC right now. I'll
straight up say, good morning America. Referred to me as
a home wrecker and straight upset. I had an affair
that I didn't have when I was back on this
reality show, and that was the moment, Like it's one
thing to have TMZ calling your phone about shit that's
(06:10):
what they're known for.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Everyone knows that. And even though I used to be
a person that believed that stories in the tabloids had
at least half a truth to it, and you know,
I was like, oh, well, they're not going to say
something that's not doesn't have some basis, Like you kind
of convince yourself that maybe it's not completely accurate, but
there's some truth to it, you know. And what I
(06:31):
realized is that is actually not true at all. And
I don't think that we as a society are aware
of how much we're being lied to, and like, this
isn't supposed to be some conspiracy. And I swear to
god we'll get to the topic in just a second.
But I have to say this stuff because it's been
a personal experience of mine and because I wasn't aware
and just what you just said, this situation you're talking
(06:51):
about wasn't even that long ago, so you had already
witnessed me go through it, and it still took another
situation for you to go Holy shit. This is like
legit news outlets that are still straight uplying making up stories.
They're not having their facts checked at all, and they're
just saying it as if it's a truth.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, all they need is one source to be a scapegoat,
so they can just it can all fall on a
source who.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You can be a publicist of anyone by them.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And because of our laws, they are able to keep
them anonymous.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Those kind of laws were put into place to keep
the freedom of the press, like so that the press
wasn't scared to write the truth. And it's funny that
they're being bastardized. They're being bastardized to use those laws
to actually tell things that are untrue, right, rather than
actually do the work and find the truth. I don't
know if you'll remember this, but this was several years ago.
(07:48):
I lived in Los Angeles when it happened. But there
was a story that circulated because a website posted a
picture of a receipt from a restaurant where Donald Trump
had gotten a burger and a coke and had tipped
ten thousand dollars, and all these news outlets picked it
(08:08):
up as if it were true, okay, and it became
this huge story and it was obviously a photoshop job
because Donald Trump was like, I wasn't even in Santa Monica,
that that's insane.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So it was something that was very easy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's a positive for him, and he was still just like, Okay,
that's not even yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's not even true.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And so it was just like it was I can't
remember the name of the website, but it's these two
brothers that launched what is now a very big website,
and it was one of their first posts, and it
just got them traction and it was this really smart
thing they did.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But it also proved that I mean, I think CNN
wrote about like legitimate.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Newsplaces picked up the story without trying to fact check
it for a second because they're like, oh, someone else
did that job well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And also, I think your point is the website The
Tribe is a joke though, isn't it. Well, they just
I'm thinking of The Onion.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, The Onion is a comedy website. The Tribe does
post a lot of like just Memei shit, but like
it's meant to be entertainment. But like that's how they
got a lot of eyeballs on their website to begin with.
Was that lie that they created.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's crazy. Yeah, I mean I think you made such
a good point at the beginning of when we started
talking about this about nowadays. Two, there's such a rush
to be the first and like we're so oversaturated. That's
the problem with everything, right, that's the I mean, it's
like it's changed streaming completely, It's changed everything in this
podcast world, has changed everything with social media world. Just
(09:39):
how oversaturated we are. I mean there at some point
it's gonna blow up, right, like it has to everything.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We can't kill it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, like there's got to be changes. And so anyway,
one of the changes that I really hope starts to
happen is that if we as a collective start to
understand and I think it's happening, that headline are not
the truth. Like when you go in and read stories,
case in points, something I sent you earlier that I'll
talk about in a second, you're like, wait, what the
(10:09):
headline is literally the most misleading statement, And if you
go in and read the article, most of the time
there's no fact to it or no truth to it,
and that or that's just like in general, like they
were clearly trying to get you to click on this,
So anyway, I get that that's giving them clicks, which
then if you don't do that, then you believe the
headline and that's not real. So do your do Jill
(10:33):
do dill build dilligit wow, and you know, make sure
that what you're reading is true. But the other thing
that I've really struggled with with this topic, and I'll
just say, we're about to talk about the conjoined twins
that have been in the media recently, and one of
my big things is is I also experience this. But then,
(10:53):
you know, I've just observed it so much in the
last couple of years, how just like cruel everyone is
to everyone like there's no empathy. And you and I
had touched on this a while back when that whole
Will Smith Chris Rock thing happened, and I was this
random voice I think, you know, I got like a
little bit of heat for it because it was like
(11:14):
very opposite of what a lot of people were saying.
I wasn't trying to condone what Will Smith did. I
did think that he should not have slapped Chris Rock
on the oscars. However, wait was it the oscars?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
However, I was like clearly witnessing a person that had
been traumatized in some capacity and was having a trauma response,
like a reaction that we all have, whether you want
to admit it or not. And his happened to be
on a very public stage that would be mortifying, embarrassing,
my worst nightmare or all of the things. And I
was just asking that maybe we'd give will a little
(11:49):
grace because the way he handled it after, I thought
was very good and it was probably him.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So yeah, you have to raise those.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Questions and just to look at the human Peace said this,
like the human piece of any story, I mean, And
so that's what I want to keep in mind as
we talk about this topic today. We find it to
be very fascinating and these women to be very fascinating,
but we don't want it to come across like we
are ever poking fun at their situation or kind of
(12:18):
making a spectacle of it. I guess like we're just
trying to talk about the topic because it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well, you know, look, the internet is cruel, and I
think in the same way that the same way that
the media wants clicks, everyone does. We're all conditioned to
like want likes, and you know, a snark does really
well on the Internet, and so I think different is
always when something is different, it's always.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
A more immediate target. And so I think the.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Reaction to this marriage of one of the twins can
joined twins caused a snarky react on the internet, which
is really cruel, and because that was the reaction, that's
what we were seeing, so we were receiving that and
so on. My initial reaction was like holy shit and
(13:11):
to laugh. But then I stepped back and I was like,
wait a minute, Like, these people are actual human, fucking.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Beings living a full fucking life, living.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A full life. By the way, I'm not married.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Like they've done something I haven't done, or one of
them has, And so rather than make fun of them,
I was like, I need to sit back, do a
little research and sort of try to understand their journey.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I loved that though when you said that, of course,
I was like, oh my god, talk it's speaking.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We Some of some of the questions are like very
plain questions like how why what you know? Like how
common is this? And then there's like the she's married,
let's talk about the dirty bits, right, And I think
that's where the Internet has gotten really crass about it.
But it's a very real things. So I think that
there is a real conversation to be had. Obviously, neither
(14:04):
of us are conjoined twins, so we're not speaking from
a point of view that is factual to like our existence.
But we have done some research where we hope to
enlighten our listeners.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So if you somehow live under a rock and you
haven't heard this story, Abby and Brittany Hinsel are conjoined twins.
They were born together. Where they they have two separate
heads and share a lower half. I'm making sure I'm
saying this correctly, like from waist down they share upper half.
(14:37):
One person has control of the left side, one person
has control of the right side, and then there's two
heads when they're not complete.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
They have completely separate emotions. They have separate thoughts, They
have separate likes and dislikes. They have agree and argue
on things like one of them might want to see
one movie, the other one wants to see another.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
One.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
One of them might be in a good mood, one
of them might.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Be One might have a headache, the other one might not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Talk about having to navigate partnership more than any human
on this planet, I think, like could you, There is
not one moment where either of those women are alone ever.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ever, Like including when one is having sex with her husband.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And taking ship. That was the other time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The ship. Well, they they're bowels. They share so they
both do poop together.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But I know, but they're in it together. That's the
part that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
For both of them.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I guess they that is true. Okay, so you
brought up sex, which has been a big part of
the conversation on the internet recently, and that actually was
my first thought too, was like, first of all, who
is this guy that married them? And then second of all,
how does he navig I mean, there's so many layers
to that to me, like how does he navigate being
(15:54):
married to only one of them? So recently one of
was it was Brittany that got married.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Correct, Brittany got married.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yes, Brittany got married, And so that's kind of brought
up this conversation of well, how does Abby feel about
all of this and how does Abby.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Naturally, sorry, Abby is the one. It's Abby Bowling is
her new name.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, I'm sorry. Abby got married. Britney is the one
that is learning how to navigate a relationship that her
sister is in, but she is obviously a part of
because they share a body. And I just said to
you like, that is so much her sister signed up
for so much? Like what if her sister wants to
(16:36):
get married or go on a date?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Like does does Abby go on a date with Brittany
as a married woman?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Do they double date? Do they double date? What do
they have group sex?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, it's it's all very interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
What if Britney can't fucking stand Josh exactly? I thought
about it because they have different brains and so like,
like think about even your friends, Like I've never felt
like I want to be with any of my friend's partners.
I love them, like I adore them, but they're very
much for my friends, like they're my friends' types. They're
(17:12):
like you know what I'm saying, Like we all have
different types, and I guess that's a blessing. It would
suck if you had like the same type as your
best friend, right, But but I just can appreciate who
the person is, but I don't want to like be
in a partnership with them, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Also, Brittany is she is there to witness every argument
that they have everything. And so when you think about
when I think about, like when my friends are going
through a really hard time in a relationship, Like I'm like,
I'm a cut a bit, like I am here.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
For my friends one hundred person.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I am spewing hate. I am like ready to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, I told you I would slash tires anytime
you're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So it's like, how does Brittany have to internalize all
of that, hear it and then forgive him when Abby's
saying it's fine, I love him, like you know, it's
because she is privy.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
To everything exactly and think about like, yeah, I mean
I think that That's what I was trying to say about.
This is the biggest example of learning how to be
in a partnership. Also like compassionate communication, because they have
to be constantly communicating, I would think, or else the
resentment that all the things like like you said, if
(18:25):
Abby gets in a fight with her husband and Brittany's like,
fuck that guy, like we're not taking him back, you know,
And Abby's like, yes, I am, like I love him,
but Brittany doesn't love him, so she's just fucking pissed,
you know. Yeah, it's so complex, Like I have so
much respect for the fact that that is how like
they live their lives completely together that piece alone. I'm
(18:48):
just like the navigation of that is so impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I can't even wrap my head
around it.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like yeah, And that's that's why I sort of wanted
to talk this because it's and right now as we're talking,
more questions are popping into my mind, like what like
even just the whole idea of like the argument situation.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The argument was a great point. I hadn't that I
thought about it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There's so many instances in our lives.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, Like I mean, we all have our secrets, you
know what I mean that we don't share with people.
And it's like those two can't, right, they cannot have
they neither one of them have a single secret unless
it's just a thought. It's the only way that they
can have a secret.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I want to meet them so bad just to see,
like I want to know if there is a lot
of suppression happening, you know, are the because they're like,
that's the only private place that I have, So I
want to keep things to myself, like do you develop
different sort of mental and emotional safety strategies than you
know other other people? Because we like if I want
(19:57):
to get away from it. If I'm just like, ugh,
I just knew break from my friends, my partner, my family, anybody,
I can go take it. They can't take a break
from each other, and I guess they could be quiet,
but it's still like it's such a part of your
body too, Like imagine not having control of one side
of your body and having to rely on another person
(20:17):
for that in and of itself is a lot. But
then what if like y'all get in a fight and
she's like other, yes, or just like they're slapping each
other or they're like can we go do this and
they're gonna punish them, Like I'm like does that happen?
Or you guys punish each other with not doing something
(20:38):
that the other one wants to do, you know, like
how does that work? Or what are the boundaries? It's
just there's so many questions. It's so complex, and doesn't
it make you ultimately go wow, the fact that any
of us just wake up every day and we don't
even think about how often we take for granted that
(20:58):
we have like a body that function. Yes, Just like
the fact that childbirth ever happens normally is shocking when
you really start to realize how much can go wrong
or like or just like different situations that can come
about like this, like well of many of us.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And in my research, they still don't.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
There's two ways that they believe this happens, because it's
like one in one hundred thousand births, okay, and most
don't survive they're still born, or one's born still born
and one's alive, or they last.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So then they have a surgery to remember.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
They'll yeah, or you know, some of them only last
twenty four hours. All of them have to be born
be a cesarean because it's too dangerous for a vaginal birth,
but they're they The main theory is they think that
in the egg starts to split because identical twins.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The egg splits at like ten or twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Days in station, and they think that this is a
delayed spa where it's like fifteen sixteen days.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And it okay, it splits, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Or the other theory is that it's two fertilized eggs
that fuse. But the majority theory is that it's an
egg that doesn't split.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The whole way.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Just looking at them, I feel like the first theory,
don't you, Because it's like the top did split. It
seems like because they have separate heads and brains. You
know what I thought was bullshit. They had to pay
two tuitions but they only get paid one salary.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
One salary.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Isn't that bullshit because it should just be equal either way,
like if they paid wish. So when they went to college,
they went they went all the way to call it
like through college. I believe, yes, they went through college
and paid two tuitions because technically it's two brains, so
it's two people. I guess, so yeah, and so they
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would take separate tests and things like that. That would
make that make sense though, because it's two brains. But
now they're school teachers and they're only paid one salary,
which makes sense for the fact that it's probably one classroom,
you know, like maybe they're covering the stuff that one
teacher would cover. I would guess that's how it's working.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I read that it was they teach different subjects though.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Then okay, see, right, that's two people. They should be
paid double salaries, like each of them should be paid
an individual salary. I think, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But then it gets where it gets hairy too, is
like insurance like are they both insured or are they
ensuring one body?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's because it is one body, two people, So it's.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, it's so complex, it's such.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
A it's such an interesting thing to navigate because I'm
sure so many systems in our world are not created
for them to fit into.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
No systems Like there's not that's just no, there's not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Everything's in abnormality for them, which is and they are
seeing they had a reality show. They're seemingly like quite
healthy and physically normal, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
They have normal desires.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh yeah, I mean there are very normal time or
I guess Abby's the one responding to a lot of
people have had questions about sex, and okay, this is
what I'm sorry, let me go back really quick. What
I did want to point out, I sent you an
article earlier. They got married or Abby got married in
twenty twenty one, and this is for some reason just
hitting the news today, and it's that's that was My
(24:35):
point is, like everyone is so we're just literally reading
headlines so quickly that all we think is, oh, this
can join twin just got married. She got married years ago,
and for some reason, social media got ahold of it.
Like the last two weeks and that just goes to
show how crazy social media can be. When something goes viral,
it goes viral, and this went viral for some reason recently,
(24:58):
but it's really not new news. They've been living this
way since twenty twenty one with Abby's husband. But the
big question, and I said, I mean this was my
first thought was like, how does he have sex with that,
like with both of them, Like how does this work?
And you said, well they share a bottom half, so yeah,
(25:19):
And to me, I'm like, is that like traumatic for Brittany,
like what or is she enjoying it? Like I have
so many questions about that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And so I apparently feel the orgasm, which is right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah. So Abby has come out to answer questions because
I guess they're getting a lot of people asking about this,
and she said they do share whenever they climax, they
both feel it and that when she's having sex with
her husband, Brittany reads a book or puts on a
podcast or something. And I mean, this is where the
internet's tough, because there are a lot of funny like tiktoks,
(25:58):
you know, in these responses and people are a funny,
but it is where it gets to the point of like,
all right, it's like, I mean, laugh to yourself, I guess,
but like we got to all like have a little
more sensitivity. This is these people's lives. So yeah, I
just can't imagine, like imagine what that would be like
if you and I were connected and you were having
(26:18):
sex with someone and I'm just like reading a book
right there, I wouldn't want to cry.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right, Have you ever been in the room when someone
is having sex?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Not that I know of, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You witness I witnessed a friend having sex.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like did they think you were asleep?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know what? I really am not certain how it
happened because I mean it's been a long time. It
was like right after college.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I feel like we're all kind of sitting here going, well,
we're going to need more of this story.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, I mean, and but I witnessed it, and it
was kind of traumatic.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That's what I'm saying. It was our friends and our
people that we would not normally see. Yeah, but they've
never not seen that either, because like even if they
were younger and they were like if they've ever masturbated, like.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't know, well, I mean, if you think about it,
one of them controls the right hand, the other one
controls the left right weight. One of them can masturbate
without the permission of the other one.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh, I didn't think about that, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Like if one because if if masturbation comes from an
emotional place, yeah, then one might be in the mood
when the other one.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Does it come from an emotional place? I mean you're saying,
if isn't it like it does it's hormonally, it can be, yeah,
but something if you're corny, it's physical, right, but don't.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You Yeah, but isn't there aren't there times? And maybe
this is the difference between a man and a woman too,
Like sometimes you just think like, oh, I'm gonna go
jerk off, you know what I mean. It's like and
it doesn't necessarily feel like something that's like a whole
body thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's just like I'm bored. I'm gonna jerk off.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean I think that's humans.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right, So there's in theory, Brittany could be bored and.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Be like like be sleeping and she wakes up and
she's like, bitch, are you at it again? Like it's
just like there's it's so many scenarios, so many scenarios
such a deep level of intimacy that I don't think
any of us could even process, Like I really don't.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
It really is fascinating, And the two of them seem
happy with each other, which like, for ends, I love
my sister, I would not want.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
To Yeah, I mean, I just think about how different
my brother and I are and I'm like, he would
literally want to murder me, and vice vera, like we would.
Just like the way we live our lives even is
so different, just like preferences like even what time we
wake up in the day or like go to bed
at night, you know what I mean, Like you really
have to work together, and no, twins do have stronger
(28:53):
bonds a lot of times, and so if it's a
you know, a good positive bond, then maybe they just
feel even more connected and want to be together a lot.
Have a couple of friends actually oddly that are twins,
and they're so close with their twin Like it's just
it's they say, they'd say it physically feels like a
part of you so or emotionally feels like a part
(29:14):
of you. But these girls are feeling the physical, emotional,
the all of it. But they did they were born
in the same womb, you know, they just came out.
They happen to come out different than other twins because
they're also in the same body. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Oh, the layers, the layer, the biggest onion.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like I know, and I've said complex eight hundred times,
but it really is so complex because, just like you said,
the second you start diving down the rabbit hole of thoughts,
another question comes up and you're just thinking, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think what's gripped the world with this is is
that it's not something most of us had ever thought of.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I just hadn't I really literally but met either.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
And then the more I dug like it's weird, there's
like Reddit chats about like people talking about it. So
it's not something that hasn't been thought of before. I
personally had never thought of it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So, but isn't that the point we're trying to make here,
that kind of what we are noticing in society and
what I'm trying to personally really pay attention to in
my own life. It's like we just get going in
all of these different directions. We get busy, we have
our lives, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think that's just a normal human thing, and it's
(30:41):
often that we just cannot put ourselves in other people's shoes,
and so when something new is brought to the table,
it seems like a better reaction would be curiosity. Like
sort of what we're trying to say here is like
I have a lot of questions like, yeah, oh my god,
I'd never thought about living a life like that. What
is that life? And that's why both of us enjoyed
(31:02):
doing this podcast is topics like that, getting to talk
to guests and learn about different lifestyles. But yeah, but
like instead of going, oh my god, ha ha ha,
look at this shit, what about if you took a
second and you were like kind and thought, huh, first
of all, gratitude that like my life on a day
(31:22):
to day I just get to hop out of bed,
like I don't have those things to factor in that,
just as it's a lot of layers, like we've said,
so there's a sense of ease that I have that
they don't have. Right, and then also like societal pressures.
I mean I can't imagine what going to school was
like for them as kids and stuff, you know, like
just all of the different things of that, but maybe
(31:44):
if we could all try to come from a place
of like stay curious versus let's troll people, that would
change some things, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just so fascinated by them and the
perseverance that takes to get to this age.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean that just made me have another.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Thought, like what what if one of them was suffering
from depression and wanted to kill herself.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right, you know, well then the other one would have
to pep talker out of it, right. I did read
about the death piece of that though, because I was
also thinking do they die at the same time? What
if they didn't and they don't, So, I mean that
actually makes me want to cry because that I mean, right,
well they say that like it doesn't have to happen
(32:31):
that way, Like one of one person could die and
then you would either have to have a surgical situation,
like a surgical procedure to have that person removed. So
I mean, just the trauma in that losing your best
friend's sister, person who you've spent every minute with, and
(32:52):
then like having to survive. And then also the reason
they didn't have the surgery to start was because the
doctors told their parents it was super risky with however
they were built to try to separate them. There was
a high likelihood they wouldn't survive, and so the parents
were like, well, we don't want to lose them, and
so they decided to keep them together. But yeah, the
(33:14):
death piece of it, and it's so hard, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, if they think they could get in the
car accident and one could end up brain dead, well right,
from some sort of physical trauma.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I know, it is just the what if? What if?
What if?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is like you're like, my mind is I know.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I'm fascinated by that. I think they are two of
the most interesting people on earth.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I agree with you, and resilient.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Like it's I mean the fact that walk through life
like this.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Everywhere you go, everyone is staring and probably for the
wrong reasons, you know, Like most people are probably laughing
and pointing and are really insensitive about their difference. And
as someone who grew up feeling other than I can
empathize with that, but I cannot get anywhere near the
(34:10):
idea of what they feel.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well, because the reality of your situation is like if
you exactly if you wanted to pretend, like like if
you were in a situation with a bunch of straight
guys like you're you could go in and be like, yeah,
I'm a straight white dude too. Like you could literally
if you wanted to be the guy that just like
fit into the easiest scenario or what you felt like
(34:33):
you needed to in that moment, you could do it,
and so could I, and so could most humans. I mean,
it would be self abandonment, and we would hope, you know,
I would hope you wouldn't feel the need to do
that ever in your life, especially at this point. But
like you could and they can't, Like it's just not
an option. It's never been on the table for them.
So I love that you use the word resilient, because
(34:55):
I think the idea of that. First of all, this
this went viral recently for no reason. They're just like
living their lives and all of a sudden, they're all
over the news, the Internet all these things, and it's like, yeah,
Abby's like, yeah, I'm happily married and having sex and
like she's like found her way in her life, and
(35:15):
I mean, I hope Brittany has too. We're just not
hearing as much about it, obviously, because we're talking about
Abby's situation with the wedding, but yeah, I don't know.
I mean I have a lot of questions about that
guy too, but that's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Well yeah, I mean that's funny because some of my
friends their reaction was like, what a fucked up individual.
But it's like, again, it takes a lot to look
at a situation and be like, I know this isn't normal,
but I'm in love with this person and I'm gonna
(35:49):
make it work.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, we just don't know him, so it's hard. It
would be hard to sit here and say anything because
we don't know the situation. We don't know the relationship,
we don't know even how they met or anything about
it him. So other than now, there's articles about some
paternity thing that really, if you get in and read
the articles, you're like, what this is not even is
this real? I'm just like so over the media. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, it's the media is It's what's fucked up about
those stories is the media is asking the questions in
the article rather than going and getting the answers and
telling us the facts. Because what it is is there
is a paternity test, he has a child, with his
ex wife that there's custody, you know, they share custody,
(36:32):
and then there's like a non custodial child that they're
assuming is the one that was born after they separated. Yes,
so the assumption is that the mom is saying, well,
you're not the dad or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But he may not be.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
But he may not be, and you know what, like
they're not going to know the fucking answer until there's
a paternity test. H So like it's it's there's no,
it's an idea. It's not news yet, so stop writing
about it. Like it becomes news when they're like, oh,
here's another layer to the story. Wife was cheating, and
it's news, but it's also none of our business.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I'm obsessed with these girls.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You really are, like every afternoon.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, and the thing is is like when we first
were like do we talk about this, We're like no,
we can't because you said you were like.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
No, we can't talk about this, but I love them.
I'm like so obsessed with this.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And then and then she texted me today and she
was like, what are we talking about today?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And I was like, I feel like we have to because.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
And it's so public now and I'm just fascinated by them.
I think, like I need to go back and find
their reality show. I've never heard of them until you know,
last week.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
That's the thing about reality TV, isn't it. It sticks.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, it's out there somewhere, It's out there.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I would love nothing more than to know what you
guys think about this. I mean, obviously be kind as
you see our intentions with having this conversation, but please
email us at the edge at velvetedge dot com if
you have questions where your head is going with this,
because we're like, I think both Chip and I are
a bit scrambled if you can be if we're being honest,
(38:15):
So yeah, email us at the edge at velvetsedge dot com.
You can also leave us a voicemail. We have a
lot of new voicemails and I'm so excited, like I
got them over this past week. I've kind of going
through some more and they make me so excited. Like
I don't know if you feel the same, Chip, but
for me, it's just like a direct connection to the listeners,
(38:37):
and I'm like, oh, right, there are people out there
we're talking with y'all now, not just like talking into
microphones and kind of wondering where it's floating off to.
So if you want to leave us a voicemail, I
have that link in my bio on Instagram. It's at
Velvet's Edge. Chip also put it in his bio on Instagram.
(38:58):
And what is your Handlechip, Chip.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Door, shouls Chip d O R s ch Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I still have a lot of questions after this one,
but many. Hopefully we got just some information across. I
don't know, It's just sparked a little like love.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I'm sending them love because I feel like they need
a little bit of love sent their way right now.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah. Fuck the trolls, man, I am over it. Why
are people such bitches? Like I just can't it's just
be nice? Why is that so hard? Like? Why can't
we just be kind to each other?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
You know what's interesting about that whole idea is what
they are making fun of these women, mostly because of
their physicality, but in doing so, they are showing that
they are ugly on the inside.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Way worse, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
It's so much worse. And I'm that's not me calling
Abby and Britney ugly. I'm just saying they're making fun
of physicality.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, I was just like, it's just not cute. Guys,
get it together. No, I actually don't think that we
have those people listening to this pot cast anymore, thankfully.
All Right, Well, as you guys go into your weekend
and hopefully you're living on the edge, I hope you
always remember too.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Bye casual, Bye bye
Now I'm gun shy about how to start a podcast
after last week and then getting distracted by my cats.
Apparently that is a big thing of neighbors getting pissed
off that their cats disappear to other neighbors' houses. And like,
I've gotten sent so many tiktoks and stuff from Twitter
(00:29):
and things like that since I posted about being obsessed
with my neighbor's cat. I mean, this was unknowingly my
neighbor's cat just started gravitating towards my house. We've developed
an intense bond, I would like to think.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I would like to say, I mean that's what it appeared.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
To me, right, Well, it's maybe one side it, but well,
I mean she.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Does visit, she keeps coming back.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
My mother's best friend had a cat that disappeared literally
for three years once and then back up, and the
only assumption was that someone letter into their house.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, and she lived life.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, But I'm like, let me go ask around my
neighborhood in my street. First. Sure enough, two doors down
was like, yeah, that's our cat. I was like, cool.
They're like she goes out in the day and then
she'll just come back at night. But I'm like I
wonder if she does do it forever for longer. Also,
it's just like you don't know where they came from,
so you almost just let them in out of Oh
(01:26):
my god, is this astray? Like do I need to
help them? I just can't believe I'm a cat lady now.
I'm like so upset by it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I would also, I mean, I would be beside myself
if my cat didn't come home one night, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Like you saw my reaction last week, and I was
like you, because I'm not just a pussy, just a pussy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, it's just like change one letter. What do
you mean, uppy pussy?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh right, one letter double there you go. Well look
at that. Hey, happy Friday, you guys, hie. Nothing like
a little pussy talk to get your Friday started right. Okay,
that's actually not what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's actually kind.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh there talk?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So okay, Well, yeah, that was a very interesting transition
because I know what we're talking about. Okay, this is
one of those ones. There's definitely topics where I feel
like Chip and I go back and forth for like
a week and we're thinking, can we talk about this?
How do we talk about this. We have obviously grown
(02:40):
and changed, I would say as a podcast through the years,
and some of that has been great for people, and
some of that's been upsetting. But I have to go
with my own evolution, and I think you feel the
same way. And it's like, if I'm trying to do
certain things in my personal life, I have to do that.
I have to like include that in my work and
the conversations I'm having publicly and what we're bringing to
(03:04):
the world. Like I personally feel like I need that
to all be in alignment, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I mean, look, I do love to poke fun,
but the older I get, the older I get, like
I would I much prefer to poke fun at my
friends who I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, I'm poking fun like it's not.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Fair to judge and make fun of people, circumstances whatever
that you really don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So well, let's get real here. You and I used
to do that on this podcast all the time. I'm
trying to sit here on some high fucking horse and
be like, oh, I'm above this everyone, but let me
tell you what happens. I mean, everyone knows what happened
to me. But it's like when something happens in your
life specifically, and I think you witnessed enough of that
with me, and also you've seen it with the clients
(03:52):
that you work with. In the way the media works
in general, and it's so destructive to people's lives and
it's so not accurate that I think once you realize
how false and fake and straight up lies that are
in the news, you kind of go, wait a second,
like I can't condone this, I can't be a part
(04:14):
of this. And anything that we're talking about here pop
culture wise is actually just you know, we're trying not
to do the same thing that the news is doing
right now, which we think is all about clicks and
about like right the headlines and they'll say anything.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Just not just news either at social media.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And it's well, I think it's stemmed from social media.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
And it's it's stemmed from the digitization of media because
it used to be you know, real nightly news. There
were like it was like real reporters doing real stories
that we're digging, same thing with newspapers and magazines. But
now that it's about like instant like get stuff up quickly,
(04:53):
a lot of that has been gone out the window,
you know, and it's it literally is about getting clicks.
Like I recognized it when I had a client have
something happen.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And it was legitimate.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Media outlets were stooping to the level of what normally
it would just be the tabloids saying. And it was
really eye opening for me because I'm like, fuck these people,
We're never going to speak to them again, like they
are blacklisted.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It's it's one thing to tell an uncomfortable story, but
tell it with facts or at least with you know,
some humanity to it. And so I was able to
witness it, you know, very firsthand, like what clickbait does.
So it's like for everyone out there who's had to
be on the receiving end of that bullshit, like I
(05:46):
feel for you, Thank you well.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I said to you the moment that really hit me
the worst, and you're being very PC right now. I'll
straight up say, good morning America. Referred to me as
a home wrecker and straight upset. I had an affair
that I didn't have when I was back on this
reality show, and that was the moment, Like it's one
thing to have TMZ calling your phone about shit that's
(06:10):
what they're known for.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Everyone knows that. And even though I used to be
a person that believed that stories in the tabloids had
at least half a truth to it, and you know,
I was like, oh, well, they're not going to say
something that's not doesn't have some basis, Like you kind
of convince yourself that maybe it's not completely accurate, but
there's some truth to it, you know. And what I
(06:31):
realized is that is actually not true at all. And
I don't think that we as a society are aware
of how much we're being lied to, and like, this
isn't supposed to be some conspiracy. And I swear to
god we'll get to the topic in just a second.
But I have to say this stuff because it's been
a personal experience of mine and because I wasn't aware
and just what you just said, this situation you're talking
(06:51):
about wasn't even that long ago, so you had already
witnessed me go through it, and it still took another
situation for you to go Holy shit. This is like
legit news outlets that are still straight uplying making up stories.
They're not having their facts checked at all, and they're
just saying it as if it's a truth.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, all they need is one source to be a scapegoat,
so they can just it can all fall on a
source who.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You can be a publicist of anyone by them.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And because of our laws, they are able to keep
them anonymous.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Those kind of laws were put into place to keep
the freedom of the press, like so that the press
wasn't scared to write the truth. And it's funny that
they're being bastardized. They're being bastardized to use those laws
to actually tell things that are untrue, right, rather than
actually do the work and find the truth. I don't
know if you'll remember this, but this was several years ago.
(07:48):
I lived in Los Angeles when it happened. But there
was a story that circulated because a website posted a
picture of a receipt from a restaurant where Donald Trump
had gotten a burger and a coke and had tipped
ten thousand dollars, and all these news outlets picked it
(08:08):
up as if it were true, okay, and it became
this huge story and it was obviously a photoshop job
because Donald Trump was like, I wasn't even in Santa Monica,
that that's insane.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So it was something that was very easy.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's a positive for him, and he was still just like, Okay,
that's not even yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's not even true.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And so it was just like it was I can't
remember the name of the website, but it's these two
brothers that launched what is now a very big website,
and it was one of their first posts, and it
just got them traction and it was this really smart
thing they did.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But it also proved that I mean, I think CNN
wrote about like legitimate.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Newsplaces picked up the story without trying to fact check
it for a second because they're like, oh, someone else
did that job well.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
And also, I think your point is the website The
Tribe is a joke though, isn't it. Well, they just
I'm thinking of The Onion.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, The Onion is a comedy website. The Tribe does
post a lot of like just Memei shit, but like
it's meant to be entertainment. But like that's how they
got a lot of eyeballs on their website to begin with.
Was that lie that they created.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's crazy. Yeah, I mean I think you made such
a good point at the beginning of when we started
talking about this about nowadays. Two, there's such a rush
to be the first and like we're so oversaturated. That's
the problem with everything, right, that's the I mean, it's
like it's changed streaming completely, It's changed everything in this
podcast world, has changed everything with social media world. Just
(09:39):
how oversaturated we are. I mean there at some point
it's gonna blow up, right, like it has to everything.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We can't kill it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, like there's got to be changes. And so anyway,
one of the changes that I really hope starts to
happen is that if we as a collective start to
understand and I think it's happening, that headline are not
the truth. Like when you go in and read stories,
case in points, something I sent you earlier that I'll
talk about in a second, you're like, wait, what the
(10:09):
headline is literally the most misleading statement, And if you
go in and read the article, most of the time
there's no fact to it or no truth to it,
and that or that's just like in general, like they
were clearly trying to get you to click on this,
So anyway, I get that that's giving them clicks, which
then if you don't do that, then you believe the
headline and that's not real. So do your do Jill
(10:33):
do dill build dilligit wow, and you know, make sure
that what you're reading is true. But the other thing
that I've really struggled with with this topic, and I'll
just say, we're about to talk about the conjoined twins
that have been in the media recently, and one of
my big things is is I also experience this. But then,
(10:53):
you know, I've just observed it so much in the
last couple of years, how just like cruel everyone is
to everyone like there's no empathy. And you and I
had touched on this a while back when that whole
Will Smith Chris Rock thing happened, and I was this
random voice I think, you know, I got like a
little bit of heat for it because it was like
(11:14):
very opposite of what a lot of people were saying.
I wasn't trying to condone what Will Smith did. I
did think that he should not have slapped Chris Rock
on the oscars. However, wait was it the oscars?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
However, I was like clearly witnessing a person that had
been traumatized in some capacity and was having a trauma response,
like a reaction that we all have, whether you want
to admit it or not. And his happened to be
on a very public stage that would be mortifying, embarrassing,
my worst nightmare or all of the things. And I
was just asking that maybe we'd give will a little
(11:49):
grace because the way he handled it after, I thought
was very good and it was probably him.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So yeah, you have to raise those.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Questions and just to look at the human Peace said this,
like the human piece of any story, I mean, And
so that's what I want to keep in mind as
we talk about this topic today. We find it to
be very fascinating and these women to be very fascinating,
but we don't want it to come across like we
are ever poking fun at their situation or kind of
(12:18):
making a spectacle of it. I guess like we're just
trying to talk about the topic because it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well, you know, look, the internet is cruel, and I
think in the same way that the same way that
the media wants clicks, everyone does. We're all conditioned to
like want likes, and you know, a snark does really
well on the Internet, and so I think different is
always when something is different, it's always.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
A more immediate target. And so I think the.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Reaction to this marriage of one of the twins can
joined twins caused a snarky react on the internet, which
is really cruel, and because that was the reaction, that's
what we were seeing, so we were receiving that and
so on. My initial reaction was like holy shit and
(13:11):
to laugh. But then I stepped back and I was like,
wait a minute, Like, these people are actual human, fucking.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Beings living a full fucking life, living.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A full life. By the way, I'm not married.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Like they've done something I haven't done, or one of
them has, And so rather than make fun of them,
I was like, I need to sit back, do a
little research and sort of try to understand their journey.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I loved that though when you said that, of course,
I was like, oh my god, talk it's speaking.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We Some of some of the questions are like very
plain questions like how why what you know? Like how
common is this? And then there's like the she's married,
let's talk about the dirty bits, right, And I think
that's where the Internet has gotten really crass about it.
But it's a very real things. So I think that
there is a real conversation to be had. Obviously, neither
(14:04):
of us are conjoined twins, so we're not speaking from
a point of view that is factual to like our existence.
But we have done some research where we hope to
enlighten our listeners.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So if you somehow live under a rock and you
haven't heard this story, Abby and Brittany Hinsel are conjoined twins.
They were born together. Where they they have two separate
heads and share a lower half. I'm making sure I'm
saying this correctly, like from waist down they share upper half.
(14:37):
One person has control of the left side, one person
has control of the right side, and then there's two
heads when they're not complete.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
They have completely separate emotions. They have separate thoughts, They
have separate likes and dislikes. They have agree and argue
on things like one of them might want to see
one movie, the other one wants to see another.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
One.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
One of them might be in a good mood, one
of them might.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Be One might have a headache, the other one might not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Talk about having to navigate partnership more than any human
on this planet, I think, like could you, There is
not one moment where either of those women are alone ever.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Ever, Like including when one is having sex with her husband.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And taking ship. That was the other time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
The ship. Well, they they're bowels. They share so they
both do poop together.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
But I know, but they're in it together. That's the
part that.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
For both of them.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I guess they that is true. Okay, so you
brought up sex, which has been a big part of
the conversation on the internet recently, and that actually was
my first thought too, was like, first of all, who
is this guy that married them? And then second of all,
how does he navig I mean, there's so many layers
to that to me, like how does he navigate being
(15:54):
married to only one of them? So recently one of
was it was Brittany that got married.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Correct, Brittany got married.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yes, Brittany got married, And so that's kind of brought
up this conversation of well, how does Abby feel about
all of this and how does Abby.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Naturally, sorry, Abby is the one. It's Abby Bowling is
her new name.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, I'm sorry. Abby got married. Britney is the one
that is learning how to navigate a relationship that her
sister is in, but she is obviously a part of
because they share a body. And I just said to
you like, that is so much her sister signed up
for so much? Like what if her sister wants to
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get married or go on a date?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Like does does Abby go on a date with Brittany
as a married woman?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Do they double date? Do they double date? What do
they have group sex?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, it's it's all very interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
What if Britney can't fucking stand Josh exactly? I thought
about it because they have different brains and so like,
like think about even your friends, Like I've never felt
like I want to be with any of my friend's partners.
I love them, like I adore them, but they're very
much for my friends, like they're my friends' types. They're
(17:12):
like you know what I'm saying, Like we all have
different types, and I guess that's a blessing. It would
suck if you had like the same type as your
best friend, right, But but I just can appreciate who
the person is, but I don't want to like be
in a partnership with them, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Also, Brittany is she is there to witness every argument
that they have everything. And so when you think about
when I think about, like when my friends are going
through a really hard time in a relationship, Like I'm like,
I'm a cut a bit, like I am here.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
For my friends one hundred person.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I am spewing hate. I am like ready to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, I told you I would slash tires anytime
you're ready.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So it's like, how does Brittany have to internalize all
of that, hear it and then forgive him when Abby's
saying it's fine, I love him, like you know, it's
because she is privy.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
To everything exactly and think about like, yeah, I mean
I think that That's what I was trying to say about.
This is the biggest example of learning how to be
in a partnership. Also like compassionate communication, because they have
to be constantly communicating, I would think, or else the
resentment that all the things like like you said, if
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Abby gets in a fight with her husband and Brittany's like,
fuck that guy, like we're not taking him back, you know,
And Abby's like, yes, I am, like I love him,
but Brittany doesn't love him, so she's just fucking pissed,
you know. Yeah, it's so complex, Like I have so
much respect for the fact that that is how like
they live their lives completely together that piece alone. I'm
(18:48):
just like the navigation of that is so impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I can't even wrap my head
around it.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like yeah, And that's that's why I sort of wanted
to talk this because it's and right now as we're talking,
more questions are popping into my mind, like what like
even just the whole idea of like the argument situation.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
The argument was a great point. I hadn't that I
thought about it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There's so many instances in our lives.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, Like I mean, we all have our secrets, you
know what I mean that we don't share with people.
And it's like those two can't, right, they cannot have
they neither one of them have a single secret unless
it's just a thought. It's the only way that they
can have a secret.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I want to meet them so bad just to see,
like I want to know if there is a lot
of suppression happening, you know, are the because they're like,
that's the only private place that I have, So I
want to keep things to myself, like do you develop
different sort of mental and emotional safety strategies than you
know other other people? Because we like if I want
(19:57):
to get away from it. If I'm just like, ugh,
I just knew break from my friends, my partner, my family, anybody,
I can go take it. They can't take a break
from each other, and I guess they could be quiet,
but it's still like it's such a part of your
body too, Like imagine not having control of one side
of your body and having to rely on another person
(20:17):
for that in and of itself is a lot. But
then what if like y'all get in a fight and
she's like other, yes, or just like they're slapping each
other or they're like can we go do this and
they're gonna punish them, Like I'm like does that happen?
Or you guys punish each other with not doing something
(20:38):
that the other one wants to do, you know, like
how does that work? Or what are the boundaries? It's
just there's so many questions. It's so complex, and doesn't
it make you ultimately go wow, the fact that any
of us just wake up every day and we don't
even think about how often we take for granted that
(20:58):
we have like a body that function. Yes, Just like
the fact that childbirth ever happens normally is shocking when
you really start to realize how much can go wrong
or like or just like different situations that can come
about like this, like well of many of us.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And in my research, they still don't.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
There's two ways that they believe this happens, because it's
like one in one hundred thousand births, okay, and most
don't survive they're still born, or one's born still born
and one's alive, or they last.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So then they have a surgery to remember.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
They'll yeah, or you know, some of them only last
twenty four hours. All of them have to be born
be a cesarean because it's too dangerous for a vaginal birth,
but they're they The main theory is they think that
in the egg starts to split because identical twins.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The egg splits at like ten or twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Days in station, and they think that this is a
delayed spa where it's like fifteen sixteen days.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And it okay, it splits, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Or the other theory is that it's two fertilized eggs
that fuse. But the majority theory is that it's an
egg that doesn't split.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The whole way.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Just looking at them, I feel like the first theory,
don't you, Because it's like the top did split. It
seems like because they have separate heads and brains. You
know what I thought was bullshit. They had to pay
two tuitions but they only get paid one salary.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
One salary.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Isn't that bullshit because it should just be equal either way,
like if they paid wish. So when they went to college,
they went they went all the way to call it
like through college. I believe, yes, they went through college
and paid two tuitions because technically it's two brains, so
it's two people. I guess, so yeah, and so they
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would take separate tests and things like that. That would
make that make sense though, because it's two brains. But
now they're school teachers and they're only paid one salary,
which makes sense for the fact that it's probably one classroom,
you know, like maybe they're covering the stuff that one
teacher would cover. I would guess that's how it's working.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I read that it was they teach different subjects though.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Then okay, see, right, that's two people. They should be
paid double salaries, like each of them should be paid
an individual salary. I think, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But then it gets where it gets hairy too, is
like insurance like are they both insured or are they
ensuring one body?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's because it is one body, two people, So it's.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, it's so complex, it's such.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
A it's such an interesting thing to navigate because I'm
sure so many systems in our world are not created
for them to fit into.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
No systems Like there's not that's just no, there's not.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Everything's in abnormality for them, which is and they are
seeing they had a reality show. They're seemingly like quite
healthy and physically normal, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
They have normal desires.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh yeah, I mean there are very normal time or
I guess Abby's the one responding to a lot of
people have had questions about sex, and okay, this is
what I'm sorry, let me go back really quick. What
I did want to point out, I sent you an
article earlier. They got married or Abby got married in
twenty twenty one, and this is for some reason just
hitting the news today, and it's that's that was My
(24:35):
point is, like everyone is so we're just literally reading
headlines so quickly that all we think is, oh, this
can join twin just got married. She got married years ago,
and for some reason, social media got ahold of it.
Like the last two weeks and that just goes to
show how crazy social media can be. When something goes viral,
it goes viral, and this went viral for some reason recently,
(24:58):
but it's really not new news. They've been living this
way since twenty twenty one with Abby's husband. But the
big question, and I said, I mean this was my
first thought was like, how does he have sex with that,
like with both of them, Like how does this work?
And you said, well they share a bottom half, so yeah,
(25:19):
And to me, I'm like, is that like traumatic for Brittany,
like what or is she enjoying it? Like I have
so many questions about that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And so I apparently feel the orgasm, which is right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah. So Abby has come out to answer questions because
I guess they're getting a lot of people asking about this,
and she said they do share whenever they climax, they
both feel it and that when she's having sex with
her husband, Brittany reads a book or puts on a
podcast or something. And I mean, this is where the
internet's tough, because there are a lot of funny like tiktoks,
(25:58):
you know, in these responses and people are a funny,
but it is where it gets to the point of like,
all right, it's like, I mean, laugh to yourself, I guess,
but like we got to all like have a little
more sensitivity. This is these people's lives. So yeah, I
just can't imagine, like imagine what that would be like
if you and I were connected and you were having
(26:18):
sex with someone and I'm just like reading a book
right there, I wouldn't want to cry.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right, Have you ever been in the room when someone
is having sex?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Not that I know of, Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You witness I witnessed a friend having sex.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like did they think you were asleep?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know what? I really am not certain how it
happened because I mean it's been a long time. It
was like right after college.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I feel like we're all kind of sitting here going, well,
we're going to need more of this story.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, I mean, and but I witnessed it, and it
was kind of traumatic.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
That's what I'm saying. It was our friends and our
people that we would not normally see. Yeah, but they've
never not seen that either, because like even if they
were younger and they were like if they've ever masturbated, like.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't know, well, I mean, if you think about it,
one of them controls the right hand, the other one
controls the left right weight. One of them can masturbate
without the permission of the other one.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh, I didn't think about that, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Like if one because if if masturbation comes from an
emotional place, yeah, then one might be in the mood
when the other one.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Does it come from an emotional place? I mean you're saying,
if isn't it like it does it's hormonally, it can be, yeah,
but something if you're corny, it's physical, right, but don't.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You Yeah, but isn't there aren't there times? And maybe
this is the difference between a man and a woman too,
Like sometimes you just think like, oh, I'm gonna go
jerk off, you know what I mean. It's like and
it doesn't necessarily feel like something that's like a whole
body thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's just like I'm bored. I'm gonna jerk off.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean I think that's humans.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right, So there's in theory, Brittany could be bored and.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Be like like be sleeping and she wakes up and
she's like, bitch, are you at it again? Like it's
just like there's it's so many scenarios, so many scenarios
such a deep level of intimacy that I don't think
any of us could even process, Like I really don't.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
It really is fascinating, And the two of them seem
happy with each other, which like, for ends, I love
my sister, I would not want.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
To Yeah, I mean, I just think about how different
my brother and I are and I'm like, he would
literally want to murder me, and vice vera, like we would.
Just like the way we live our lives even is
so different, just like preferences like even what time we
wake up in the day or like go to bed
at night, you know what I mean, Like you really
have to work together, and no, twins do have stronger
(28:53):
bonds a lot of times, and so if it's a
you know, a good positive bond, then maybe they just
feel even more connected and want to be together a lot.
Have a couple of friends actually oddly that are twins,
and they're so close with their twin Like it's just
it's they say, they'd say it physically feels like a
part of you so or emotionally feels like a part
(29:14):
of you. But these girls are feeling the physical, emotional,
the all of it. But they did they were born
in the same womb, you know, they just came out.
They happen to come out different than other twins because
they're also in the same body. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Oh, the layers, the layer, the biggest onion.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like I know, and I've said complex eight hundred times,
but it really is so complex because, just like you said,
the second you start diving down the rabbit hole of thoughts,
another question comes up and you're just thinking, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I think what's gripped the world with this is is
that it's not something most of us had ever thought of.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I just hadn't I really literally but met either.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
And then the more I dug like it's weird, there's
like Reddit chats about like people talking about it. So
it's not something that hasn't been thought of before. I
personally had never thought of it.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So, but isn't that the point we're trying to make here,
that kind of what we are noticing in society and
what I'm trying to personally really pay attention to in
my own life. It's like we just get going in
all of these different directions. We get busy, we have
our lives, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think that's just a normal human thing, and it's
(30:41):
often that we just cannot put ourselves in other people's shoes,
and so when something new is brought to the table,
it seems like a better reaction would be curiosity. Like
sort of what we're trying to say here is like
I have a lot of questions like, yeah, oh my god,
I'd never thought about living a life like that. What
is that life? And that's why both of us enjoyed
(31:02):
doing this podcast is topics like that, getting to talk
to guests and learn about different lifestyles. But yeah, but
like instead of going, oh my god, ha ha ha,
look at this shit, what about if you took a
second and you were like kind and thought, huh, first
of all, gratitude that like my life on a day
(31:22):
to day I just get to hop out of bed,
like I don't have those things to factor in that,
just as it's a lot of layers, like we've said,
so there's a sense of ease that I have that
they don't have. Right, and then also like societal pressures.
I mean I can't imagine what going to school was
like for them as kids and stuff, you know, like
just all of the different things of that, but maybe
(31:44):
if we could all try to come from a place
of like stay curious versus let's troll people, that would
change some things, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just so fascinated by them and the
perseverance that takes to get to this age.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean that just made me have another.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Thought, like what what if one of them was suffering
from depression and wanted to kill herself.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right, you know, well then the other one would have
to pep talker out of it, right. I did read
about the death piece of that though, because I was
also thinking do they die at the same time? What
if they didn't and they don't, So, I mean that
actually makes me want to cry because that I mean, right,
well they say that like it doesn't have to happen
(32:31):
that way, Like one of one person could die and
then you would either have to have a surgical situation,
like a surgical procedure to have that person removed. So
I mean, just the trauma in that losing your best
friend's sister, person who you've spent every minute with, and
(32:52):
then like having to survive. And then also the reason
they didn't have the surgery to start was because the
doctors told their parents it was super risky with however
they were built to try to separate them. There was
a high likelihood they wouldn't survive, and so the parents
were like, well, we don't want to lose them, and
so they decided to keep them together. But yeah, the
(33:14):
death piece of it, and it's so hard, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, if they think they could get in the
car accident and one could end up brain dead, well right,
from some sort of physical trauma.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I know, it is just the what if? What if?
What if?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is like you're like, my mind is I know.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I'm fascinated by that. I think they are two of
the most interesting people on earth.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I agree with you, and resilient.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Like it's I mean the fact that walk through life
like this.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Everywhere you go, everyone is staring and probably for the
wrong reasons, you know, Like most people are probably laughing
and pointing and are really insensitive about their difference. And
as someone who grew up feeling other than I can
empathize with that, but I cannot get anywhere near the
(34:10):
idea of what they feel.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Well, because the reality of your situation is like if
you exactly if you wanted to pretend, like like if
you were in a situation with a bunch of straight
guys like you're you could go in and be like, yeah,
I'm a straight white dude too. Like you could literally
if you wanted to be the guy that just like
fit into the easiest scenario or what you felt like
(34:33):
you needed to in that moment, you could do it,
and so could I, and so could most humans. I mean,
it would be self abandonment, and we would hope, you know,
I would hope you wouldn't feel the need to do
that ever in your life, especially at this point. But
like you could and they can't, Like it's just not
an option. It's never been on the table for them.
So I love that you use the word resilient, because
(34:55):
I think the idea of that. First of all, this
this went viral recently for no reason. They're just like
living their lives and all of a sudden, they're all
over the news, the Internet all these things, and it's like, yeah,
Abby's like, yeah, I'm happily married and having sex and
like she's like found her way in her life, and
(35:15):
I mean, I hope Brittany has too. We're just not
hearing as much about it, obviously, because we're talking about
Abby's situation with the wedding, but yeah, I don't know.
I mean I have a lot of questions about that
guy too, but that's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Well yeah, I mean that's funny because some of my
friends their reaction was like, what a fucked up individual.
But it's like, again, it takes a lot to look
at a situation and be like, I know this isn't normal,
but I'm in love with this person and I'm gonna
(35:49):
make it work.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Well, we just don't know him, so it's hard. It
would be hard to sit here and say anything because
we don't know the situation. We don't know the relationship,
we don't know even how they met or anything about
it him. So other than now, there's articles about some
paternity thing that really, if you get in and read
the articles, you're like, what this is not even is
this real? I'm just like so over the media. It's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Well, it's the media is It's what's fucked up about
those stories is the media is asking the questions in
the article rather than going and getting the answers and
telling us the facts. Because what it is is there
is a paternity test, he has a child, with his
ex wife that there's custody, you know, they share custody,
(36:32):
and then there's like a non custodial child that they're
assuming is the one that was born after they separated. Yes,
so the assumption is that the mom is saying, well,
you're not the dad or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But he may not be.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
But he may not be, and you know what, like
they're not going to know the fucking answer until there's
a paternity test. H So like it's it's there's no,
it's an idea. It's not news yet, so stop writing
about it. Like it becomes news when they're like, oh,
here's another layer to the story. Wife was cheating, and
it's news, but it's also none of our business.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
I'm obsessed with these girls.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You really are, like every afternoon.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, and the thing is is like when we first
were like do we talk about this, We're like no,
we can't because you said you were like.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
No, we can't talk about this, but I love them.
I'm like so obsessed with this.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And then and then she texted me today and she
was like, what are we talking about today?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And I was like, I feel like we have to because.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
And it's so public now and I'm just fascinated by them.
I think, like I need to go back and find
their reality show. I've never heard of them until you know,
last week.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
That's the thing about reality TV, isn't it. It sticks.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, it's out there somewhere, It's out there.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I would love nothing more than to know what you
guys think about this. I mean, obviously be kind as
you see our intentions with having this conversation, but please
email us at the edge at velvetedge dot com if
you have questions where your head is going with this,
because we're like, I think both Chip and I are
a bit scrambled if you can be if we're being honest,
(38:15):
So yeah, email us at the edge at velvetsedge dot com.
You can also leave us a voicemail. We have a
lot of new voicemails and I'm so excited, like I
got them over this past week. I've kind of going
through some more and they make me so excited. Like
I don't know if you feel the same, Chip, but
for me, it's just like a direct connection to the listeners,
(38:37):
and I'm like, oh, right, there are people out there
we're talking with y'all now, not just like talking into
microphones and kind of wondering where it's floating off to.
So if you want to leave us a voicemail, I
have that link in my bio on Instagram. It's at
Velvet's Edge. Chip also put it in his bio on Instagram.
(38:58):
And what is your Handlechip, Chip.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Door, shouls Chip d O R s ch Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I still have a lot of questions after this one,
but many. Hopefully we got just some information across. I
don't know, It's just sparked a little like love.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I'm sending them love because I feel like they need
a little bit of love sent their way right now.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah. Fuck the trolls, man, I am over it. Why
are people such bitches? Like I just can't it's just
be nice? Why is that so hard? Like? Why can't
we just be kind to each other?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
You know what's interesting about that whole idea is what
they are making fun of these women, mostly because of
their physicality, but in doing so, they are showing that
they are ugly on the inside.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Way worse, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
It's so much worse. And I'm that's not me calling
Abby and Britney ugly. I'm just saying they're making fun
of physicality.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, I was just like, it's just not cute. Guys,
get it together. No, I actually don't think that we
have those people listening to this pot cast anymore, thankfully.
All Right, Well, as you guys go into your weekend
and hopefully you're living on the edge, I hope you
always remember too.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Bye casual, Bye bye
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