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June 7, 2024 38 mins

It’s CMA fest (the biggest festival in country music) in Nashville this week and both Kelly and Chip are running around to different events their clients are working. The duo will be back next week with a report of what went down this week in Nashville, but are remembering this time last year when the big question debated was whether or not it was Avril Lavigne gracing the CMA stage or the conspiracy theory version of Avril, named Melissa. Catch up and take notes for the full report next week! 

Best of The Edge: Kelly and Chip discuss wild conspiracy theories after a run in with Avril Lavigne at CMA Fest in Nashville.......or was it "Melissa?" 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a little little bit like, WHOA, how's this about
to go? Because I am so brain dead?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Excuse I mean, you're lucky, I said, I'm so tighty,
You're lucky. I woke up for this, I know.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
So we had Hello people. Hello. It is Friday and
last week, but we're recording early because I'm traveling this week.
And last week in Nashville was CMA Fest, and Chip
and I basically got our ass to do us work
what it is it is, you know. I think overall,

this year's CMA Fest was such a b like there
were so many gifts, the weather was great, it was
cooler than normal. Everyone's level of busy was like fun. Also, yeah,
it felt like a very positive vibe. It also felt
like CMA Fest was back after covid it last year.

It did not feel like that, and it felt a
little scary to me to be like, WHOA, is this
going to be normal?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Energy? This year was lit. It was how loud the
crowd was.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, this year was lit. Our city was just thriving.
I would say we had great weather. It wasn't too hot.
We didn't get rained until the last day, and it
was just great. But there is definitely like a different
level of exhaustion that comes after a week like that.
I gotta give it to you though, Chip, I was
literally thinking about this this morning. We so we both

work with artists who were hosting the actual like the
elk is it called Elpi Field Nissan Stadium. I told you,
brain Fart. They host the like big stadiums show. I
work with expently. You work with el King, And so
it was like we were together a lot this week
because they were doing it together, which is always really fun.

But like I by Sunday especially was so low vibe,
but like I felt like I walked into a room
and I was like, Daria, do you remember that girl?
She's like, oh wow, just like super negative, suck the
energy out of the room. Like I felt like that
was me. I just could not you didn't, Okay. I

was trying really hard to be positive, but I was
just like I'm such an absorber of other people's energy.
So when I'm in a place where I'm in a
big group setting multiple days in.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
A row and like overworked and tired.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And I couldn't replenish, like I'm just depleted, Like it's
just my little impath soul cannot take it.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You're like, please, I need a shield.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yes, I literally want to live in a bubble. But
so anyway, by Sunday, I was like very depleted. You
were just like you would come up on the side
stage so positive. Every time you came up, you like
kind of trot up and it would make me smile
every time, Like you just had such a positive energy
and some funny story to drop on me every time
you are.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well. I mean, I'm glad I was able to hide
how bad my feet were hurting.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh is that what it was?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
This? Yeah? I mean it was just like when you
stand around on the concrete for that long.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
It just doesn't that make you feel old? Old to
say out loud?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yes, but you know what I'm doing right after this,
going to get a foot massage.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
You should by the first day, Oh look at it,
look at him go. The first day it was Thursday,
and I had like I had three clients that day
and so it was just like nuts the running around.
When I got home my hips.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I was like needed replacement.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Literally, probably could have kind of replacement. Yeah, sign me
up a quick one quick?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah? Yeah? What are those drive through ones?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Derek's always talks about like when he sits in the
makeup chair, he feels like he's being run through, like
you know how race cars pull off to the side.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And that's what I needed that night.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I just needed someone to come in, yeah, the pit
to do like actual hip replacement and the replacement massage
my feet at the same time.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh my god, wouldn't that be amazing, like a car
wash for your body. I need it. I need it.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
So anyway, we just had we had a week, but
we made it through.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Here we are back. Little surprises.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
There were some fun surprises, which sort of actually is
a good transition into the top.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It made me transitioning.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, that could mean a lot of things these days,
so be careful. We were throwing that around. So one
of the nights there was so Miranda Lambert was one
of the headliners or whatever, and one of the nights
there's a lot of people who bring like a lot
of guests. I would say Miranda brought a couple. She
had Leon Bridges come out, who I am obsessed with.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
By the way, that new song of Theirs is fire.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I couldn't even hear the song because I was so
stuck on his fashion, Like I definitely paparazzied him from
side stage, like trying to get all the scoop on,
like where he got those clothes? Like he just looks
he is like a vibe just looking at him, just
looks cool when he breathes.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
So he came out. But the big one that.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
We were all really really really excited about because it
was like the teenage me could not contain herself was
Avril Levine.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean, it's crazy because Elle's glam guy told me
the day before he was like, oh yeah, I got
a call about like doing glam for Avril, but I
was booked. I was like, what is Avril doing in
Nasholl I had no idea why. And then we were
at rehearsals the next day and Anne walked to Avril
Levine like not glammed up, like in a big, like
anarchy T shirt, looking like all of eighteen years old.

I'm like, how is she not? Like she literally has
an aged It's wild. And we were all like, oh
my god, it's Avril.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Is it though?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Or is it Melissa?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
So here's what we want to talk about today.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
When I was sitting there in the dressing room before,
we were having a similar conversation, someone said something like, oh, yeah,
Avril Levine's gonna be here. I still don't really understand
that connection. Like her, they.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Became friends, so I don't know how they met.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
But they probably like Instagram or something.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, probably Anyway, it came up that Avrol was there,
and then someone in our dressing room was like, I mean,
but you guys do know it's probably not the real Approl,
just like erk do what excuse me?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
So we're talking about conspiracy theories today and the Okay,
so the topic this month is the word confront and
we have also talked about like the edge has just
got to be lighter. I mean, the world feels really
heavy sometimes right now, and it's been heavy for a
big season of time a couple of years, and sometimes
you just gotta like look at the sunshine, take you know,

like take the next right step, focus on the positive.
And so we really like to bring that to you
guys on Fridays. I know, I'm a little more serious
in the Wednesday episodes, kind of diving deep into some
soul searching stuff, and so Chip and I are like,
we gotta laugh, like that feels like one of the
most healing things ever, and so kind of this discussion
about the word confront we were like, but how do

we keep that light? Confront is a heavy word. I mean,
it can be it feels.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Hassy, so it's combative.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it does sound combative, but there were some things
that came up for us. You actually did a really
good job of explaining it. So I'll let you get
to that in a second. But I tied it to
when I came across Averil and I'll tell that story
in just a minute. But what were you saying before
we started recording about how you really felt like conspiracy
theories and the word confront tied together.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, you know, the thing is, conspiracy theories exist because
you know, we all have reasons to not trust big
pharma and corporations and the government in particular, and you know,
we we look for reason and truth when a big
event happens in our lives. So a lot of I

think when we hear conspiracy theories, it generally has to
do with like government and like nine to eleven and
wars and all of these things, the vaccine, and it
can get really heavy. But you know, all we want
is the truth and that is why these exist. And
there are plenty of examples in history where conspiracy theories

turned out to be actual conspiracies and you drop the
theory and they were true. But there are a lot
that are out there that are not true, but they
are born out of the seeking of truth. So just
because you think something's true doesn't mean it is, and
you need to dig deeper. But so we I thought
the word confront was actually really fitting because how else

do you get to the truth by by, you know,
anything other than confronting it and confronting these theories.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So totally when you said the thing about finding the truth,
seeking the truth, I'm like, yeah, that is confronting right there,
That is it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
So yeah, that's what we're going to do today.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's what we won't do. And we there's obviously some
really deep topics, you know, like yeah, important things like
Avri Lavine's you know, body double.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, here's here's how it went down, and here's what happened.
So we're sitting in the dressing room and someone says
something about like or is it the real Avril? And
I'm like, what are y'all talking about? I don't understand.
Of course, it's the real Avril, Like, uh, this is
the skater boy girl from my childhood, and I'm so

excited to actually see her in person. There is something
like and maybe it's the nostalgia, but like, I don't
get very excited about celebrity anymore unless it's someone who
I was obsessed with when I was younger.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Right, that throwback thing, Like yeah, remember when mister Belding
was around all the time. No, oh my gosh, he
was around all the time in Nashville, Like really, yeah,
he was obsessed with He's I think he's really good
friends with Jason al Dean. Oh my god, how did
I miss that then? So when was working with him, Yeah,

he was around a lot, Like that's the kind of
guy I want to get a photo with, Like exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, Like we see these other huge reason we're like, oh,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
There they are cool.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
But then it's like the people from our childhood are
definitely geek out.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So Avril was.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I mean, I was obsessed with that first album, like
definitely ran it dry, like totally did it on repeat
for months and months and months and months. So anyway,
when they're starting to talk about this, one of the
girls says, yeah, you don't know the theory about her,
and I was like, no, I obviously don't. And she
says that the theory out there is that after the

was the album called Complicated.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, after the Complicated album, Avril was having a really
hard time, Like, you know, she's kind of emo. She's
having a really hard time grappling with all the fame
because that album.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Was so big and she was young.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
She was so young, and this was back in the
day of like that emo punk rock, like that was
a big thing. Remember, So she was a huge star
almost overnight with the way that that TV, yeah and
MTV and all those things, and she was having a
really hard time with it, and so she committed suicide,
which is really sad and terrible. However, before that happened,

they were using this actress Melissa.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Melissa no last name, Melissa.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
We don't know anything about Melissa other than it's Melissa,
who looks identical to Avril. Like google it, y'all. When
I say she looks identical, it is wild. Like I
keep being like, when are you gonna show me a
picture of Melissa? Because he's side by side literally looked
like two pictures of Avril, so apparently they were using
her as a body double. So when Avril passed away,

they were like, well, this is this is such a.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Huge money maker.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Joe must go on, Melissa, step in and play Avril
for the.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Rest of your life. Yeah, because I'm sure Melissa didn't,
you know, have anything else going on. That's what I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Okay, So immediately I say, okay, guys, So Melissa just
retires her whole life, like where's her family, where was
anything about like her friends, her life in general. There's
all these pieces that don't make sense to me right right. However,
when you see the pictures, it's very startling because you're like, whatever,
and there's a couple different Like you can google the

conspiracy in general and you can see there's like a
couple things that fans really grip onto with why they
think this is true. So we're sitting there and I'm like, well,
I'm gonna go scope this out, like we're obviously gonna
be able to tell when we see her in person.
My other question is, so, oh, let me just say
we walk out, we go watch or whatever. We're standing

side stage. She comes, she comes up, and I was like, no,
that's definitely Avrol, like one percent Avrol. Then I go
out front and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna watch this.
She sings just like Avril, like you could tell it
was live singing, And I'm like, how is this girl?
What would the odds that this person looks just like

Avril and can also sing just like Avril?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Like there's no chance, right right? And you know she
was singing with Miranda, whose team we know, like, you
know her manager, I know her manager if and I'm
gonna have to text him today and be like, hey,
great to see you Melissa this weekend. Oh my god,
see what he says. But you know, she would have
had to have sung live because if not, she would

have had to provide a recorded vocal track to Miranda's
team to be silent. Yeah, it just is so obsessing.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
We would have gotten wind via Miranda's camp that this
was not true. Right, That's how I feel at least.
But let me tell you something. Money talks, you know,
well money talks. But also it is wild with these
conspiracy theories. Because I was so anti she comes out,
I'm like, guys, this is ridiculous, like whatever, But then

we go backstage, like as she's like coming back out
that I could not help myself.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I really could not.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
She walks past me, and I go, Melissa.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
If she would turn around, I would have died if
I was next to you and then hapened.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I mean the group of girls around me did they
were like whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I actually was.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
So flustered at myself that I could barely look to
see if she turned around. But the thing was that
there she had her like posse, you know, so like
maybe she didn't hear me, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Or years were still in like or any years.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
She's so trained over the years to be like I
am no longer Melissa. Maybe they've done hypnosis.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I don't know. The thing is, is Avril has you know,
either av or Melissa have They've like they're aware of
the conspiracy theory. So it's like I feel like, I mean,
you actually took a beer risk, where like the real
Avril could have like turned around and been like, bitch,
what the fuck did you just say? You know what
I mean? Like, or she could have laughed with you
and then like like the teenage Kelly would have fucking

died if I back in winked at you.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Oh my god, Oh my god, because I'm dying even
at the thought. But this is what I was saying
to you before the podcast. If she is not Melissa, Like,
if it's just Avril, why has Avril not done a
side by side video? Like I would be like, Melissa,
you gotta come be in my video, right, or like
me do a YouTube.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It would go viral. Except what if Melissa doesn't exist
at all and it's just fucking Avril? You know what
I mean? I feel like Melissa. I feel like she's
real real. Well, here's the thing. This is why conspiracy
theories take because there's always just enough nuggets to make

you be like, something's weird here. You know.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Apparently Avril has played into it a little bit, like
she wrote Melissa on her hand in one video or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I think she's got a Melissa tattoo.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh my god, we'll see. But like she's getting another
girl's name tattooed on her body.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think it's funny.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Melissa's like that's her way to like, you know, what
is it pay homage.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like to her old self.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
She's like, I'm going to get this old name tattooed
on my body because Melissa has to die.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well that you're just giggling Melissa.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I mean, if she's Avril, she has to live as
Avril all the time she has, which is.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Weird because it means there's two deaths in this situation.
Avril's dead and so is the old Melissa, Old Melissa,
sweet Melissa.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh wow, I was like really easy, cheesy set up. Well,
what's your vote? You think it's Melissa or Avril.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think it's Avril.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I actually know the girl who did her glam and
I could also reach out to her. But I just
I mean, if it's Melissa, I think it's so ironclad
at this point, like there there there has to be
very few people that know. And then what would they
do to her family, like her old family signs an nda.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I guess, or maybe they killed them, you know, it's
like leave no trace, leave no trace, huh. Maybe she
was an orphan Like wow, okay, I mean this is like,
you know, I'm sure we could go down some rabbit
hole that like.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
We're on one. I think that's what this is.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh God, this was supposed to be my day off.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Not your journey down rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Now when I have to like get on the internet
and be down there obviously gonna be doing all day.
First day, you're gonna be like, is anyone there from
chip You're like, let me check that rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
No, I'm just going to call you and be like,
Melissa Ribbit.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Oh that's a frog. Now, never mind, Rabbits don't make noise,
do they. You just ribbeted, just really because ribbitt sounds
like it. Wow.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Anyway, this is where we are, This is where our
lives are at, and the fact that we have microphones
in our face is probably not good for anyone. Some
of the other ones that I thought were interesting. This
celebrity death thing is weird, which, like I always kind
of feel sad when I first hear about it because

I think about the family members of the celebrity like that.
People won't just let it go. Like the Tupac one
I think we've all heard for many years.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
So he's on some island somewhere. He never actually got
shot and that was because the people met with him
didn't get shot at They always said that he was
wearing a bulletproof vest. They never could find the gun.
There's all these issues that they're with the actual murder
that they're like, this isn't real, this didn't happen. But
I'm thinking about Tupac's family, like how.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Do you grieve?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like, let's say he did actually passed, and then everyone's
constantly saying like no, no, no, he's on an island.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It be hard, yeah, because you're like I would like
to go to that island and see my brother or
my son.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, exactly. There's one about Paul McCartney. Do you know
about this one?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, he's apparently been dead for years.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
That one would make me very sad because I love
Paul McCartney and I especially love him.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Now, well, here's the thing. Tell us, Paul McCartney, like
you might be able to find the guy that looks
like him, you might be able to even find somebody
that can sing like him. How do you inject the
ingredient of someone that can write a song like him?
Like that is you can't replace that, and he's continued

to write amazing songs throughout the rest of his career.
I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't buy it, I know, but if whoever, if
that is true, I mean, like I watched recently James
Corden go visit Paul McCartney's hometown.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Have you ever.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
First of all, I'm obsessa James Gordon. I'm sad that
shows over. But it was just so he's like such a.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Warm person and so good at managing the crowds, and
you know, like he's good at fame, Like you know,
there's just some people who are really good at being celebrities.
To me, he feels like that, and so it would
be really odd to me if it wasn't the real guy.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
But they did say they say that.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
The real Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash
in nineteen sixty seven and has been replaced by a
looklike Yeah, it says the proof crazy. This article we
found is really funny. It's from Esquire dot com. It
says the proof playing Revolution nine backwards, various song lyrics,
various album covers, hundreds of other clues found by fans
over decades. Who believes it at this point probably Paul McCartney.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah. One of the craziest ones from this list is
that Stevie Wonder can actually see why I mean, And
it says this is the theory Stevie Wonder, the legendary
blind singer songwriter is not actually blind. He's just been
pretending for the last six decades for some reason, like
why would you like ever write? And then it says

the proof He frequently attends basketball games a falling mic stand,
he is interested in photography and once took a photo,
and he does other things typically reserved for people who
can see.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, took a photo is ridiculous because anyone can just
snap a camera like he could. The mic standing is interesting.
I mean, this brings me back to Blessing And remember
what I did a couple of weeks ago where I
was like, can you see the chair over there? And
he's like, no, no, actually no, Kelly, Okay, you.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Know there's no context here, Like he could have kicked
it and felt the force of it.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
What I was going to say is Blessing's instincts and
his other senses are so much higher than anyone else's
I've ever seen. Like he hears, he can hear, he
hears everything that's happening in the room at all times
because he's so alert to that, Like he feels energy
in different ways, like all the things. So the mic
stand to me is that like he just felt Yeah,

he could have kicked it. Like you said, the basketball game.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Is bab fell into him.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know, wait, we don't know, we know nothing more context.
The basketball game thing is dumb too, because it's like
he could just like the excitement of being there.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Right. Deaf people go to concerts, right and they feel
sign language because they feel it.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it's vibration. It's like you didn't pick up a
marking mark.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I got it, I got you.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Just try to move on.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
You're like, IM going to try to just let's get
past this. Let's get she's shown her, she's shown her age, y'all.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, I'm not buying Stevie. Wonder if if it was true,
that's like the biggest sweet kill to all of us
of all times.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I mean, right, how can I differentiate myself? I know
I'll be blind, Like what, oh my god, there's like
I never have to like do like real makeup stuff
on my eyes. I'll just throw some dark glasses on.
Like it's great. I can roll out of bed after
an all nighter, play a fake vocal. Shit, I can

even die die. Well, I'm just like saying like clearly,
like it's okay to be famous and you just die
because they just replace you, you.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Know, oh, right with an actor.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I wonder why they haven't replaced Prince yet. I know
that would have been a good celebrities that I wish
they would have replaced over. I mean, as much as
I love Avril Levine, like, I would much rather have
Prince still with us. Wow, I mean sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, that would have been a good one. Maybe there
was no person who looked just like him. Yeah, his
talent is like so next level, Like how do you
even fake that?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah? That's I guess.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So did you read about the Katie Jean Benet Perry one?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
No Katie Jean. Wait a minute, they think that Katy
Perry is John Ramsey.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Correct, they said the theory John Madet Ramsey Ramsey. See
this is where I start to feel a little guilty,
Like this family lost a child and here.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
We are like the murder crazy theory.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Right, Jamine Ramsey was not murdered in nineteen ninety six
and actually grew up to be a multi platinum recording artist.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Katy Perry.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
The proof overlapping photos of Katy Perry and Jomene Ramsey.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Overlapping people believe that this was one guy.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, well I even tried to click that link. Who
believes that this one guy and that link no longer exists?
So right, Yeah, they said Katy Perry's parents and Jomine
parents Ramsey's parents. I guess they look alike, and Katy
Perry could definitely resemble that child.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, you know, Katy Perry also looks like Pauladine. Like
there's a meme that like has Katie Katy Perry's face
on pauladine head and it looks like Pauline.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
What's okay, that's weird. Did I ever tell you about
the time I worked with Poladine? No, though, Oh my god,
she's so funny and so aggressive. We were working on this,
like he was at a Harri's casino in Mississippi and
she had opened a restaurant, like a Palladine restaurant, and

like she needed a touch up and I had walked away,
and she goes, where's my makeup?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Bitch? Like, what is this world?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I'm getting called that way?

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, so everyone was like, makeup bitch. Oh wow, that
photo of Pauladine Katie. I mean, yes, and no, that
nose is very different. I'm gonna put this picture in
the link.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Of this podcast. For you guys, just for your ships
and giggles.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, there was one that you did talk about that
happened in Canada. But this is switched away from this celebrity.
This is like, obviously, we're very aware that there are
some real deal conspiracy theories, and then this one was
interesting because it was proven true.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, So I mean there are some that you know,
were that are true and then they become real conspiracies,
which you know, again gives weight to conspiracy theories because
it's you know, if there's ever something that like you
don't trust the government for and it turns out to
be true, then it's it gives you know, a little
bit more credence to these crazy ideas like yeah, you know,

Beyonce is Solange's mother. It's so crazy. But there was
a conspiracy theory or conspiracy that the Canadian government was
so paranoid about homosexuality that it developed a gait Ar
machine year from This was in the sixties, So this
is from Reader's Digest, and the truth was it really

happened in the nineteen sixties. The government hired a university
professor to develop and detect a way to detect homosexuality.
In federal employees. He came up with a machine that
measured the people dilation in response to same sex erotic imagery.
The government then used it to exclude or far more
than four hundred men from civil service, the military, and
the Mounties, which is what they call their police. The

American government is also guilty, and they had some other
operations that were similar to this. What crazy, So it
was a pill they took. No, No, it was a machine.
So I guess they would probably be looking into this machine.
And then they were shown gay porn and if your
eyes dilated a certain way, arousal and they would fire you.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's ridiculous though, because people could be stimulated by sex,
like regardless of your sexuality. It's just like sex, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, of course here or like just nervousness. Nervousness, right,
we get nervous during sex too. Okay, here's another one
that turned out to be true. There is alien evidence
in the American Southwest, the conspiracy that Et is buried
in the desert of New Mexico. This is true, but
it's different. The Atari game for Et from the movie

failed so miserably that the Atari buried a bunch of
copies of it in New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh okay, I gotchaick us, gotcha, going back to the Gator.
Did you ever see that episode of the Office? No,
Oh my gosh, okay. I was so weird that this
came up on this podcast because I've been watching like
the Superfan episodes. So the thing about other thing about
CMAFS is it's really late nights, and it's like you're

so tired, you know, you get home, it's like after
midnight whatever, You're so tired, but you're so overstimulated that
you can't go to sleep, and so I try to
put it on something mindless to like wind down or whatever.
And so I've been watching The Office, the Superfan episodes.
That show is so funny. It's so ridiculously inappropriate, though,
like I don't know that they could have gotten away

with it in this right, like they got away with
a lot, but it was all in fun and like
in humor. You can you know that they're making fun
of how inappropriate what they're saying is. Of course, yeah,
it's so it makes it less offensive. I guess, Yeah,
what's the what's the word when it's like satire?

Speaker 2 (29:18):

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yes, so in this one episode, they find out that
Oscar is gay, and it's this whole thing, like Michael
tries to normalize it because he made such a big
deal out of it at first, and he like kisses
him in front of everyone, like it's all that he's like,
he's like in see, I'm fine, Like he was gonna
die if he kissed you know, Like it's like so ridiculous.
But then Dwight, if you guys are familiar with the

episodes or whatever, Jim isn't working at Scranton Scranton. I
love that I'm giving you guys such a detailed description
of the office. He's not working in the scrant In office.
So but he still messes with Dwight. They have this
very like kind of just fuck with each other relationship,
and so Dwight decides that he has to be able
to detect who else in the office is gay, and

so Jim sends him this machine and it looks like
a metal detector, but he says it's a gatar and
he has it like to where he can walk up
to people and it'll be So he walks up to
Oscar and it kind of beeps, but then the twist
is that he puts it on himself, and it's like
like somehow Jim rigs it so that it goes wild

when it's on Dwight, So he's you know.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Do you get it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Anyway, ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
There's always a way to the truth, even if it's
not the truth, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
All in good fun anyway in the office. Go check
out that episode.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's a really good Did you have another.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
One for us? Well? I was just gonna well, it
was funny because when you brought up this topic, it
reminded me of a conversation that I had with someone
at dinner last week. And this one isn't necessarily pop culture.
I guess it is pop culture of the day, okay,
but it also leans into politics a little bit. Like
it was just all of these similarities between Lincoln and Kennedy,
who were both obviously assassinating. Yeah, so I just wanted

to read through them. It's because it's kind of fun,
but it's not really I've read that art.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
It's not a.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Conspiracy theory theory, but it is just like I think
you could this. The reason why I want to include
this is because it shows how people can find little
things that seem like they mean something.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
And you're like, cool, it's just a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah. Lincoln and Kennedy both have seven letters. They were
both elected in Congress in forty six and then later
the presidency in sixty. In sixty you know, one was
eighteen forty six. Yeah, it was nineteen forty six. Both
assassins were born in thirty nine and were known by
three names composed of fifteen letters. That is weird. Yeah.

Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in the theater.
They were both Southerners. Both president's successors were named Johnson
and born in o eight. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were
particularly concerned with civil rights and made there's views, you know,
strongly known. Both presidents were shot in the head on
a Friday. Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told

him not to go to Ford's theater. Kennedy had a
secretary named Evelyn Lincoln and she wanted not going to
go to Dallas, and both Oswald and Booth were killed
before they could be put on trial. This, I mean,
it is wild, this is right. Some of those things
have been debunked, but it's just it's it just shows
like how easy it is to be like, oh, that's

there's got to be something there, Like the government has
to be involved in these murders, you know, like this
has to be Melissa. Yeah, everything comes back to Melissa. Guys,
if you have any friends named Melissa, find out who
they really are, just start calling them Averrol.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
It also the thing that was popping into my head
when you were reading all this the same the coincidences
or whatever, is I wonder if the assassin was it
Lee Harvey Oswald with Kennedy, like he could have seen
the stuff, he could have been modeling his assassination after
Abraham Lincoln. We don't know, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's not really a coincidence. It's more like strategic. Yeah,
and he's trying to send a message. But we'll never
know because he was murdered very quickly after.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Which is part of the problem of like us, you know,
sort of glorifying and making you know, these terrible criminals
like famous for shit, you know, like we should never
use their names. Well that's why they don't.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
They're not releasing a lot of information about the manifesto
from the Nashville shooters because they're like, they don't want
other people to mimic.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It, right, makes sense, I know, I agree, well, but
you know, this has obviously been pretty light, but I
do think it we would be remiss if we didn't
like acknowledge the fact that like conspiracy theories can actually
be really dangerous and they're probably listeners that have family

members that have been sucked into them. There's actual psychology
behind why they work and why they even you know, exist,
and if you have somebody that's struggling with it, it
can be a really hard thing to navigate, and you
can go to the Anti Defamation Leagues website. It's just
the ADL dot org, I believe, okay, and there are

resources there that can help you sort of navigate that
and right as soon as it's work their way out
of it. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
As fun as this topic is, it's sort of like
anything else in this day and age, where it's like
there is also the extreme side of it that. Yeah,
it seems like has kind of been the cause of
some of the big things that have happened in our
country over.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
The last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
So yeah, yeah, definitely, I will link that website in
the description of this podcast. If you or anyone you
know is going through would that be called a struggle
or just like or kind of facing that maybe you want?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I mean, I do. I do think it's a struggle,
because you know, there's a million examples that I've seen
over the last few years of like people being like,
I don't know my mother anymore because she's so far
down a QAnon rabbit hole, right right, so absurd, but
she believes it, you know, And it's like it's tearing
families apart, it's tearing our country apart, and you know,

it's a it's a real struggle, you know. And there
is psycho and this article on that sho'll link to,
like it breaks down the psychology of like why they happen,
and it's you know, it's people need real help from
these things. Well it seems very very dangerous, is that
part of it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I feel like that, And that's we kind of have
been touching on this the last couple of weeks. But
the media really does play into that too, So I'm
sure it's exacerbating all the issues here. You know, they
like we all have this fear, and we have a
deep sense of a need for security as humans, and
so when that's threatens, we want to do whatever we
can to survive and protect ourselves. So I feel like

someone fixated on like figuring it out could be part
of that. Like that actually makes sense to me to
kind of soothe your brain, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, yeah, and it's you know, like there are plenty
of examples of when the some of these things have
become true, especially in terms of the government. Yeah, so
there are real reasons to not trust the government, and
you know, people play into that fear.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, for sure. So we'll put the link to that
in the description of this podcast. Obviously, Like the thing
about Avrol and Melissa, that's not affecting my day to day,
so it's pretty easy to let go of. As you
walk away, I'm like Melissa, and then she doesn't turn around.
I'm like cool, that's like all I need to and
we're done.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
But if there's something else that's like a bigger issue
in your life or a deeper questioning situation.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Go check out that website tip.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Do you have anything else you would like to leave
the people with this?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean Friday morning. I think I think we've done
enough damage.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Do you think we've done enough today?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
I actually do. I'm sorry, y'all, that's all I should
I would like.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I literally just feel like we need to apologize.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, or I hope you can laugh at it like
I do too. I'm sorry to any Melissa's out there
who are gonna catch ship for this.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Avril or Melissa. There's you know what, there's no other Avrils.
We'll say that unless it's Melissa. But right, all right,
well you text her manager. Get back to us next
week on the follow up of this podcast. We're gonna research. Actually,
we'll be back. We'll be back next week with more
information for you guys. I know you're gonna be on

pins and needles. I hope you can wait till next Friday.
And as you guys go into the weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember to
act y'all. Just need to add casual now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So why did you add that? Okay, it's because of me,
because I need.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
To act casual right now, right now. Okay, I'm going
to get on my plane.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I'm going to get a foot massage. Bye bye

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Mm hmm.
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