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May 29, 2024 57 mins

 Kelly welcomes Master Coach and Human Behavior Specialist, Emma Dunwoody, to give listeners the foundations of Human Design. Emma describes why reconnecting with her life purpose through modalities like Human Design healed her chronic depression, panic disorder and enabled her to thrive in ways she could have never even imagined. The women discuss the difference between Human Design and other personality tests, talk compatibility via HD and Emma breaks down the first pieces of each chart to help listeners understand how Human Design just may be the guide they need to find their life's purpose. 
"When you can understand your human design chart, you understand your truth. Oftentimes when we're trying to change our lives, we're doing it the way we think we should do it. Whereas with human design, it's literally our energetic blueprint, and it flips the transformation process... You take a look at your energetic blueprint, and through that process, you can shed your conditioning and then create a mindset that supports the blueprint"

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up you guys. It is Kelly. If you are
a regular listener of this podcast, you know that I
just love to introduce you, guys to, or maybe just
dive deeper into all the different modalities available to us
out in the world, because we're all wired so differently
and we have different needs and this way you get
to decide which one speaks to you when you're on

(00:21):
your own seeking journey or wanting to understand why you
are here or figure out a next step direction in
your life today. The modality is human design. In short,
human design is a holistic self knowledge system. Simple, right,
But to break it down, let me just tell you guys.
Human design is a combination of astrology, physics, Meyer's Briggs,

(00:43):
the chakra system and even more to help you on
your journey to uncovering your soul's true purpose in life.
So it uses all those different formats combined into one.
Human design then generates an energetic blueprint that shows how
your energy is here to engage in the world. I
know it can sound kind of overwhelming because this one

(01:04):
is a little more complex, but don't fret because human
design expert Emma Dunwoody explains human design in a simple
way that makes it so much easier to digest. This
was one of my favorite conversations that I wanted to
bring back to the top of your mind because Emma
will be back on the podcast soon to give us
more insight into human design and just how to work

(01:24):
with the modality in your own life. If you guys
are listening to this and any questions come to mind
while you're listening, simply just DM me at Velvet's Edge
or leave me a voicemail on the link in the
description of this podcast and I'll make sure to cover
that when Emma is back. Here's our conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's the Velvet's
Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, Master coach.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And human behavior specialist. Emma Dunwoody is here. Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Emma, Hey, nice to be here. I'm excited to talk
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Thank you so much for being here. We're actually here
to talk about human desig and I was telling you
before the podcast that I have never had a human
design specialist on the podcast, so which is crazy because
I basically talk about every other avenue for people to
go through self discovery. So this is maybe one of
the last that we haven't been able to dive into yet.

(02:19):
I'm really excited today.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah. Cool, let's do it. Let's pull the band aid off.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let's rip the band aid. Okay, Well, first of all,
why don't you tell the listeners. I know you've had
kind of a crazy story, like your life before human
design was completely different than your life now. So can
you kind of talk us through what that looked like
and then what drew you to human design as an
avenue to just kind of go through a healing process.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, I love this question, and you're so right,
like life before and after is really different, and the
way I navigate life is really different. Well, twenty years ago, actually,
I was diagnosed with depression and panic disorder, and I
was given this diagnosis and told that I was never
going to heal from it, but I learned to manage it,

(03:04):
and in that moment, I was like, that's not an option,
Like I need to heal this thing. So that was
a catalytic moment for me that sent me down the
rabbit hole of really understanding why I do what I do,
how I got myself to that point, and then ultimately
how I would transform my life from that place and

(03:26):
ultimately the first thing I was focused on was happiness,
like how do we heal my mental health? So what
that actually sparked was this determination to understand happiness how
the brain works. Of course, that led me to human behavior.
It led me to psychology, quantum physics, metaphysics, all of it.

(03:48):
And I transitioned out of the advertising industry. I became
a master coach. I went and trained for three years
to become a master coach. I you know, we moved
from the country back to a city, back to Sydney.
I transformed my physical health as well. I healed my
mental health, had two amazing children, you know, had been

(04:10):
thrown some challenges like nearly getting divorced, and healed that.
All of these things until about six years ago. I
was it was one January and I'm sitting on my
bed and I'm like, I have come so far. I
have changed everything. Why do I still feel like something's missing?
Why is there still this hole inside of me? And

(04:31):
for me, that was so frustrating because there was so
much evidence of the change, and it was almost like
it was sold to me that I would feel good
if I did all these things, and yes, I felt
so much better because I'd healed my mental health, no
longer experienced depression, panic attacks, any of those things. Yes,
I'd retrained and I was doing the work that I
loved to do. However, there was just this, this whole

(04:53):
and I kind of put it out to the universe.
I went on a pilgrimage. Literally, I went and walked
eight hundred kilometers from the bottom of Spain across sorry
bottom of France across the top of Spain on a
pilgrimage called the Camino, and by the end of it,
I sort of said to the universe, I'm like, there's
something missing. I fully get that my intention to really

(05:13):
embody my purpose. I feel like I'm eighty six percent there,
there's something still missing. And I was like, all you
need to do is be super clear with me and
I will do whatever. And at that point, my business
it was very much focused on corporate It was very

(05:34):
research based, science based, behavior based, very science based. And
as much as I had this connection and I was
on my own spiritual path, I hadn't really integrated it
into my business so much. I would always frame things
through quantum physics, so anything that I could back up
with research Anyway, I get back from the Camino, and

(05:55):
over a forty eight hour period, I get bombarded by
questions about this thing human design, which I'd been introduced
to twice before, and I'd put it down. And because
I promised to follow whatever breadcrumb appeared, that's what I did.
So I got a little bit curious about human design.

(06:15):
I just googled best human design teacher in Australia. She
happened to live one suburb away from me. I'm like,
you can't make this stuff up, you know. The next
day I'm having coffee with her and talking all about
human design. And it was in that moment that I'm like,
oh right, I now have to make this transition, Like
I have to not only run this human design experiment

(06:37):
for myself, but I'm getting that very very clear guidance
that this is, you know, bigger than me. You know,
it was. It was something that really drove me with
my mental health journey. I got very clear guidance that
the healing of my mental health was bigger than me.
It was about more than just my healing, and that
was the same with human design. So because I followed,

(06:58):
you know, the commitment i'd made the universe, I committed
to my human design experiment. I started running my experiment,
and then, like the serendipity, the flow state, everything kind
of just transformed overnight. And literally I went from having
my My business was kind of like part time because
I was supporting my husband who was traveling. You know,

(07:19):
he was away half the year, two young children, you know,
all the things that go with that, walking the dogs,
making the meals, you know, cleaning the house. And within
a few months he took my husband took a retrenchment package,
and I was like, I'll do it. I'll replace your income.
I didn't even know how I was going to do it,
but again I was just guided through my strategy and authority,

(07:43):
and sure enough, I not only replaced his income in
twelve months and he was getting paid really well, but
I surpassed it. And I look back on those days
and think, wow, it was and I still run my
business this way today. It's so in alignment with the
truth of who I am, who I should be according
to some other expert m M.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I love that you just ended with that note because
you also mentioned your purpose and when you were describing
all the things that were happening, and I read something
on your website. It said, human design is a system
that gives you a detailed blueprint of how your energy
is designed, how you are unique, and what your gifts
and life purpose are. So I was going to ask,
why do you feel like human design is so much

(08:26):
more geared to our energy and our purpose than something
like the Enneagram or just any of those other modalities
that we use, you know, to kind of give us
this like personality test in a way.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, and you've actually just answered your own questions. So
for me, personally, I'm a profiler, So I am certified
in many of the profiling tools, in adisk, in metadynamics,
I've used a lot of mys Briggs, you know, I
know the Ennagram. And for me, the fundamental difference or
not for me, the fundamental difference between the two is

(09:00):
that with any of these other behavioral or personality profiling tools,
the way we get the answer, the way we get
to the end result is using the mind. Okay, so
what does that mean. That means that if we go
on to Google then and we look up anagram, and
we go and do the free Anagram questionnaire, then we

(09:24):
sit there and we think about the answers, and we're like, oh,
I think I'm this, I think I'm that, and all
of this is coming from our conscious mind. I think
I'm this, I think I'm that, and then we get
a result. Now, that result is not going to be
overly accurate. Maybe we're one of these people that were
in one of the rooms that I used to have
all the time, and you have an expert who's facilitating,

(09:44):
who's telling you not to think about it, who's telling
you to focus on this and feel that and do this,
and then you get to the end of your personality profile,
and it's going to be even more accurate. However, there
is always this thing called cognitive dissidence that is the
gap between who you think you are and who you
really are because you're answering questions through the mind. Now,

(10:06):
with human design, we take a reading from a moment
in time from these crazy little things called neutrinos, which
are these subatomic particles that move through everything, all matter,
and as they move through matter, they leave in prints
of the things that they've been through, like the planets.
So human design takes a reading from the moment you

(10:26):
were born and approximately three months it's eighty eight degrees
of the sun before you're born, and it gives you
these two readings. Now, the reason why human design is
different is because there is no cognitive dissidence because the
mind has not got involved with this blueprint at any point.
It is your energetic blueprint. It's the energy that you experience,

(10:50):
whether you're putting it out, whether you're experiencing internally. It's
the themes that you're going to be constantly faced with,
maybe the lessons, your superpowers, your gifts. So it's a
very very, very different read And unlike astrology, even though
astrology is a large part of human design, it's human
design is very specific. So with astrology, your astrology is

(11:12):
going to be better depending on the astrologer that you're
working with. The better they're at it, the more intuitive
they are, the better they know you, the better the
reading is going to be. Where with human design it
can be very very specific, so it can dive down
into the depths of your truth.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Okay, and you actually have a term transformational human design.
What is that?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, So being a behavioralist, I think one of the
behavioral coach. One of the things that I remember in
my journey that would frustrate me about psychology, for example,
and a lot of psychologists psychologists retrained to become coaches
or therapists retrained to become coaches because they're not trained
to help people. They have to hold space for people.

(11:57):
They use certain models they sort of help them navigate.
But a coach is like, okay, well what do you want?
What's the goal? Right, And ultimately, you know, it's about
moving towards that goal. And as we move towards that goal,
then all these things that you would work with a
Sicola psychologist on they've come up. We heal them, we
transform them, we move through them. But it's this, it's

(12:19):
always about growth. So for me, when I first came
to human design and especially all the original knowledge, it's
very this is who you are, tough, you know, just
deal with it, Just suck it up. That's it. And
I'm like, yeah, nah, that's not how human behavior works,
that's not how quantum physics works. We all have potential,
we all have room to raise our consciousness, we all

(12:39):
have room to transform and grow. So for me, over time,
over the years that I've been doing this, I've bought
in human design, the gene keys. I don't know if
you've got any shows on the gen keys yet, but
they're like exceptional and amazing because and they also have
a growth pathway that the human design doesn't give you.
And then I've put it together with transformational coaching models

(13:02):
so we can actually align to the energy and recondition
the supercomputer the subconscious mind so that it is in
service to our authentic design as opposed to the other
way around, because most people are letting that subconscious mind
the supercomputer lead, and we really want the heart, we
want the authenticity, we want that to be leading.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, so it's actually that that is the way that
you're coaching people with transformational human design. And we'll have
to have you back and talk about gen keys because
it's a whole another of my day. I'm getting I'm
getting into all of these right now, and they are
It's so interesting because I've been doing the other stuff
for so many years, and not that that wasn't helpful,
but it is, like you're saying, I can feel how

(13:47):
much more in line it actually is. Because I'll be
going through something in my life and then I have
a friend who does my gen keys and she'll go, oh,
that's because this and this is transitioning this week, and
I'm like, what she's like. It's showing me the growth
patterns and then the ways I can sabotage and get
in my own way, and it's just really really interesting.
But okay, I want to try to give listeners a blueprint,

(14:11):
if you will, of human design, which I don't even
know the best way other than to maybe start with
explaining what the four parts are, the four different types
maybe and if you have any feedback on maybe another
way to approach this. I am totally open here, but
that was my instinct to be like, let's do the
four types first.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Love it. Okay, So when we first come to human design,
you're going to let's say you go and get your
free chart. You can get your free chart on my
website if you want to. It gives you a lot
of information. You're going to read over it. You're going
to go wow, yep, that resonates, and then you're probably
instantly going to be overwhelmed because there's so much information.
It's like, what does all this mean?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
It's a foreign language, That's what I said to you before.
I don't even understand how to read much side exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
So we want to really start at the beginning, and
the beginning is the two fundamental things we want to
know about our design that we want to experiment with.
First is strategy, okay, which we get from our type,
and authority. And authority is our own internal decision making way.

(15:16):
So with type, it's our kind of like our jumping
off point. It's how our aura, this bubble that we
walk around in. It's how this aura feels inside of
it and how it feels when it interacts with other people.
So there's four types. There's technically four types, but I'm
going to give you five types, okay, because it's one
hybrid type. So we start with manifestors. And manifestors are

(15:42):
our Their strategy is to initiate and inform. They're here
to inspire people into action. They're the trailblazers. They're the
they tend to be outspoken as kids, are the ones
that kind of don't need adults, teachers, whatever. They just
do their own thing and they're always okay. They're the
ones that they're really designed to be very unique and powerful.

(16:05):
They're very powerful individuals. However, as a child, they also
realize that that makes other people feel uncomfortable, so they
can shut down their power, they can become people pleasers.
So you just have to watch out for that, because ultimately,
the manifesta is on the planet to inspire people into action, okay,

(16:27):
and they're specific people, so there's going to be some
people that don't like them and some people that do.
And if you're a manifesto, don't try to get everyone
to like you, because that's not the role you're here
to play. You're here to inspire really important people. You know.
One of the examples I use a lot is Johnny
Depp for example. So he's a manifesto and he's well
known for the moment he walks onto step onto set.

(16:50):
Everyone might have all their lines and think it's all
going to go a certain way, and then he turns
up and he just does Johnny and everything else kind
of falls into place. You know. The direct does love
him for that. You know, he really brings the magic.
That's the way a manifest is meant to be. They
meant to be very on their own path and they
will inspire others. Then we have generators, and if you

(17:12):
are a generator or a manifesting generator, so these are
the two that kind of fit into the same type. So,
but I'm going to split them out or start with generators.
Your strategy is to respond. These are people who have
this big, beautiful aura. They're here to attract everything to
them to decide whether they have energy for it or

(17:35):
they don't. It's really that simple. And one of the
challenges is that it might be simple, but it's not easy.
You know. You might pay attention to yeah, I've got
energy to do that thing, or someone offers you a job,
or someone says do you want pizza, and you're like, yes, yes, yes, easy.
They're easy. But what if someone says to you, you know,

(17:56):
do you want to buy I don't know, let's just
buy this house on a whim. Let's say, all of
a sudden, the mind jumps in and goes no, no, no, no, no, no,
I need to think about it, like is this a
good investment? Is it? And really the guts like yeah
we do or no we don't. So it's really learning
to trust that response and acting on it. The generators
they're also here to do the work that lights them up. Okay,

(18:20):
so if the manifestors are inspiring people into action, the
generators and the manifesting generators they're building this new world.
So if you're a generator and you're doing the work
that lights you up, then you're literally building the new world,
creating something completely new, creating something that lights you up,
and redefining work, rebuilding things. You know, the manifesting generators

(18:41):
will tend to break things and remake things. They're the
hybrid of the manifesto and the generator. Their strategy is
to respond and inform, so it's a bit of both,
and they're going to be their nonlinear. So a manifesting
generator does a bit of this, a bit of that.
For example, I'm manifesting generator, Like I've worked in a

(19:03):
cafe at school, then I worked in the advertising industry
for many years. Then I became a chef, then I
managed an equestrian property. Then I became a master coach
and had my own business and an entrepreneur. So these
are people that will kind of jump all over the place,
but all of the things that they do, the threads

(19:23):
will come together. They're here to demonstrate human potential and
to redefine work. So you'll see a lot of mgs
like me that are kind of saying, yeah, I don't
let's just break all those rules they don't, let's just
do something different. So the mgs are very much here
to demonstrate human potential. Then we have the projectors, and

(19:45):
the projectors kind of look out onto the world. And
if the manifestors are inspiring people into action, and the
generators and manifesting generators are building the things that light
them up, the projectors are looking at all of these
things and going, oh, I think you could do a
little bit different over here, a little bit of this,
a little bit less of that, or you're not using
your energy in the best way. You could use it
like this instead. So these are the very wise humans

(20:07):
that can see the nuances of the energy of how
things are being done and not done. They will tend
to be people who know how to create greater efficiency.
So that could be tech, that could be relationships, it
could be anything, but these are people. The projectors are
here to be seen and acknowledged. And their challenge is

(20:28):
that they live in a world where they've been trying
to almost force people to see them. They've looked externally
for validation instead of valuing the worthiness that sits inside
of them, the wisdom that lies in them, and their
strategy is to wait for the invitation. So what that means.

(20:50):
It doesn't mean set around and sit on your hands
and wait for something to come in your direction. What
it means is that when there is not an active
invitation on the table for you to share your wisdom,
whatever that is, then you want to be obsessing over
whatever that thing is that you see, that you know
you can do better, that you can go deeper, that
you can reform, that you have wisdom to add, like,

(21:11):
focus on those things because ultimately then the invitations will flow.
And you guys aren't designed to work the same way
the generators are designed to work. You're really designed to
work in smaller you know, time blocks if you like,
because you just don't have the same energy to keep up.
So it's more about focusing on the things you love

(21:32):
to do. Taylor Swift is someone who always I think
she's a great example of a projector. She has a
lot of energy to do a lot of things, but
it's so much of it is about her. It's about
her journey, about what she loves doing. You know, she's
a classic, like she's breaking the old music system and
creating this. She's like, no, that doesn't work. I'm going
to create a new way. She's re recording all of

(21:54):
her music, and then you see her on stage and
she's like, oh, I love the attention, and we want
to give out the attention because she's alignment, you know.
And then the last time is reflectors. They are the
smallest group, they're one percent of the global population. They
are incredibly powerful beings. They have this incredible relationship with

(22:16):
subtle energy, meaning that they can read subtle energy at
such a deep level. Oftentimes when they're in alignment, they
can really see or feel into the future. They're here
to demonstrate the truth, if you like. So we've got
the manifests inspiring people into actually, we've got the generators
that are building, We've got the projectors that are refining,

(22:36):
and then the reflectors are reflecting back. Well, this is
really where we're at, either you as an individual, you
as a group, or a family, community, a business reflecting
back the truth of where we're at. So for reflectors,
you want to be very conscious of the way that
people and pay places and experiences make you feel, because
you're amplifying that and reflecting it back. So you know,

(23:01):
you're contributing to creating this new reality through this energy
that you're reflecting back, so being those places that feel
good to you so that you can help amplify those
things and the things that don't feel good for you
you want to step away from now. Your strategy is
to take time and feel things out over the twenty
eight day moon cycle. It doesn't always have to be
twenty eight days. It's just a way that you can

(23:24):
give yourself time. And there's a lot more detail of
why the twenty eight days about, you know, sort of
tracking your chart that I won't go into, but really
super powerful people taking time, all about the way they
feel with people, places of experiences.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
So I know we are tesked as one, but as
you are describing, like the descriptions of each one, I
thought about myself and each one a little bit like
there is a little bit that resonated. So I'm like, wait,
can you have more than one? Or do we have
a little bit of a percentage or wherew does that work?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I love this question because one of the things with
the way I teach human design is a lot of
the time I'm like, type's kind of crap, and the yeah,
because it's actually like the initial download didn't include type.
Type was created to simplify the process of teaching. Now,
one of the challenges with type is especially today because

(24:23):
you know, human design's taken off and there's memes all
over the you know, the Internet or Instagram, TikTok everywhere
that are putting people into these type boxes. And really
type is just an outline of what we call definition.
Now we can have such different definition from person to
person that you know, a projector that feels like they're

(24:45):
not seen or heard or has no energy, you know,
in their shadow state, you know, they might resonate with
a lot of the the memes out there. However, if
you're a projector that has three of the motors, and
if you're a rejector that's doing this, that, and the other,
you're just going to be like, no, I have all
this energy, I've got a defined throat people listen to

(25:05):
me that doesn't resonate with me. So really that's why
I always say, like you want to know your strategy.
There's another thing within type called your signature theme, and
you're not self themed. So these are two little indicators
that are like I'm in alignment, I'm out of alignment.
I always think about it like driving down the road,
you know. I mean they're driving straight towards my purpose

(25:26):
or my heart or my destiny whatever, or I'm like
swerving all over the road. However, we have to be
very conscious and really pay attention when something doesn't resonate,
because it's going to be something deeper in the chart.
You either have something defined or undefined, you know, like
for example, like if you let's say you resonate and

(25:49):
I can't see your chart, but I know the top
level stuff. But let's say you have this gate thirty
four in your chart and as a generator, it's going
to be activated. So when I talk about it manifesting generator,
you're going to be like, yeah, I really resonate with that.
Like I'm multi passionate. I like to do a bunch
of different things. And that's because you have the thirty four,
you just don't have the whole chat. Oh okay, so

(26:10):
a lot of the deeper nuances. That's why we want
to take our time. Don't get overwhelmed, but just take
our time to go slowly deeper and deeper and deeper,
because that's where the real authenticity sits.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You've mentioned strategy and authority a couple times, So what
are those pieces of this story.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So your strategy is the way the universe speaks to
you and guides you, and then your authority is your
internal guidance system. So I imagine that these two are
like this communication loop that are constantly working together to
guide you to where your soul wants to go in
this life, or the manifestation that you want to create,

(26:51):
or the relationship that your heart desires. So with strategy,
it's that I actually mentioned each strategy with each type,
So if you're listening to this, you can go back
and check out your strategy, and then each individual will
have their own authority. You and I are both emotional authorities,
which is almost half the global population, meaning that we

(27:14):
make decisions through over time. We need to wait for
emotional clarity. So our sake calls might go, yes, I've
got energy for that, but we just if we're in
an emotional wave, which we're always in, which is really
important to understand from a behavioral perspective because a lot
of behavioral work that we do, or transformative work or

(27:36):
mindset work, you know, a lot of Tony Robin stuff
things like that we're going to be constantly focused on,
you know, like physiology is everything. So if we don't
feel great, if we change our physiology, then we're going
to feel better. Then we can change our mindset, then
we can change our language. Dad with an emotional being,
you're always in this mechanical wave always, it's always, always,

(27:56):
always there. So you have to re you know, rediscover
a new meaning. You've got to create a better meaning
for the highs and the lows and not make decisions
in the highs and the lows because you know the
next day you're going to wake up and go, damn it.
I actually that wasn't correct for me. So then there's

(28:16):
a number. There's sacral authority, which is a really simple
uh huh uh huh. Yes, I've got energy. No, I
don't have energy for it. Then we've got splenik, which
is all about intuition, so it's the subtle energy guiding
us to make our decisions. And then we've got some
of the smaller as in population wise, we've got ego authority,

(28:39):
self directed and mental and the lunar authority, which is
the reflector, and all of these are a form of
learning to feel into the body, depending on your definition,
noticing what comes out of your mouth, speaking things out
and making decisions through a process of allowing yourself to

(28:59):
speak something you know, whether it's what you want to desire,
whether it's your direction, whether it's your thinking into a
moment of oh, that's it, a moment of knowing. So
we all have different authorities.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
It's so interesting because as an instinct, I'm a generator,
as we talked about, or I don't know if we
mentioned that yet, I'm a generator, but you just mentioned
my authority is emotional. And the way that I have
always operated in life is that when I'm supposed to
do something, like I just know. And I never have
known how to explain that, but it's very clear to me.

(29:32):
People can be like that makes no sense, but for
whatever reason, I know that's the road to go down.
But there have been a lot of times in my
adult life where I don't know, and so I will
either feel the need before I knew about this human
design stuff, I would feel the need to like either
figure it out or force my way into something or

(29:52):
push push, push push, and it never felt right. Or
I would make decisions that would end up blowing up
in my face because they weren't the right thing for me.
And so it's just interesting the where I'm learning about this,
I'm like, oh, that was why I couldn't actually make
that decision. Because I'm a generator. Things are supposed to
come to me, like I'm supposed to attract it in.
And the emotional piece, like if I don't have the clarity,

(30:14):
then I should not be acting.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Exactly exactly like you. And that's the piece, you know,
like especially with emotional authority. And I know this will
sound you know this is going a little bit deeper,
but it's an awareness center, meaning that oftentimes the emotional authority,
especially when you've got to define cycle like you do
like I do, You're like the body is like yep,
we've got energy for this, but you just know it's

(30:38):
not correct yet, Like it's not the green light is
not there. And often that's just because the emotional authority
is an awareness center. Same with the splinic authority. It's
an awareness center. So what it's saying is maybe not yet,
you know, it's looking for divine timing. Maybe there's a
piece missing, so it's waiting for that other piece. Maybe
you need something that you know it knows you need,

(31:00):
thing that you don't know you need yet. So it's
that ability to just wait, to just ride out the
emotional wave until you get to this place where you're like, oh,
it's obviously this, you know that knowing it's just clear,
it feels easy. There isn't a huge emotional attachment, whether
it's high or low. It's just like, yes, the green light.
For me, I always talk about it just feels like

(31:20):
a green light, like a no brain, no brainer, do
it now?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
What would be the other things that people could look for,
like with human design? I guess my question is what
insight to yourself do you really feel which is so
overwhelming that it changed your life? Like, what did you
really learn about yourself by really getting into this human design?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, honestly everything, I think one of the things that
is super important for everyone's profile. So I'm going to
come back to that and I'll share my story. But ultimately,
I think the biggest piece for me and for you know,
I've worked with thousands of people now is the permissions
is that all of us have that knowing inside of

(32:03):
us that you know, we want to do this thing,
or we have greatness, or we've got something to give,
or we've got more to give. Or something bigger to be,
or we just don't want to be doing. We know
what we're doing isn't correct for us. And ultimately, human
design gives you that permission slip because when you start
to dive into your design, you're like, oh my god,

(32:23):
I just thought I was making this stuff up. I
you know, didn't realize and that I actually am here
to do this work. It's not just me saying, oh,
I just like to do this thing because that would
make me happy. It's like, oh my goodness, this is
the purpose this soul came in for, Like, I better
get onto getting it done, you know. And I think
for me, like even right at the beginning, the being

(32:46):
a manifesting generator and discovering that I was a nonlinear
being that instantly set me free. The fact that I
was meant to break things. I wasn't meant to walk
anybody else's path. I need to sort of you know.
I tend to be a little bit I want to
pull things apart and then put them back together. So
all of that really resonated for me. Profile was another

(33:07):
place that was really big, and at first I didn't
like it because I'm an aligned three I'm a three, five,
And the old school language about around being aligned three
is you know, it's all trial and error. So they
would say, well, basically, you're screwed because your entire life
you're just going to fall down and fail and then
you'll get up again, and then you'll fall down.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I was like, that's not terrible, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
That's not you know, and again like, I'm a behavioral coach.
I know that that's not true unless I believe it's true. However,
once I brought the behavioral coaching part to it, I'm like,
oh my god, I'm an alchemist. I get to you know,
literally get my hands dirty. I can throw myself at
all these different experiences because that's actually what I love

(33:54):
to do. And you know, I'm always winning or learning,
that's it two of my favorite things, or learning, like
bring it on. So a lot of you know, human design,
especially the old school language, is very disempowering, whereas when
we take the time to make it empowering, like what
else could it mean, we start to really see the

(34:15):
potential that lies within us. So profile it's going to
be two numbers. So you'll see on your chart there's
two numbers. As I said, I'm a three five, you're
a four six. And this is kind of we call
it in human design, the costume of your purpose. What
it really means is how it's your how how you learn,

(34:37):
how you serve, how you move through life. You know,
the significant themes that are going to turn up, how
you behave in relationships, all these sort of things. It's
a really powerful overarching theme that is going to help
you navigate life. So do you want me to go
through each line number and then people can put their
own profiles together.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
So. The line one is the energy of someone who
wants to get to the bottom of things. There's someone
who wants to research, they want to learn. It's called
the investigator. They will be someone who Originally we used

(35:21):
to talk a lot about being book learners, but I
think now as learning is really evolving, it's not just
book learning. It's just someone who has an absolute thirst
for knowledge and they want to get to the bottom
of things. They're gonna answer, They're gonna have all the
answers to all the questions, and over time they become
the authority because people know they can rely on them
for the information, for the knowledge. So yeah, the one

(35:45):
thing that a line one needs to be conscious of
is they can self sabotage themselves by not taking action
because they think they don't have enough information. Not true.
If your strategy and authority says it's time to take
action on something and do it, just do it. Don't
let fear jump in and say I don't have enough.
Because the line one, in its fear, in its shadow,

(36:06):
will never have enough. It's like shadow, strategy and authority
will keep you moving forward. Then we have the line too,
and the line two is the natural. This is the
gifted child. It's called the hermit. So they do love
to have their own time, and their own time is
really about developing their skills. They will tend to not

(36:28):
like authority, they don't like being told what to do,
and they will be really good at things. They will
find the things that they're meant to do easy. So,
for example, my youngest son is a line too, and
he loves music. And for many years he had guitar
lessons and flute lessons and if they kind of never
went anywhere. So he says to me, probably a couple

(36:50):
of yearsgo now, Mum, can I have a piano? And
I just said sure, how do you want to learn
instead of going to the authority type teacher, he said,
there's this app? Can you get me this app? And
basically he taught himself fifty plus songs. He actually taught
himself to play the Harry Potter tune without any help,
just using his ear. So this is a line too.

(37:12):
They have to be allowed to really develop their own
learn in their own way, doing their own thing. Then
the line three, this is it's called the martyr. You know,
in our shadow we can be a little bit martie
because we are the ones that learn through life through
trial and error, through I always say, like scuffing our

(37:32):
knees and bruising our elbows. However, we are also the
great experimenters. We're the ones that will be tend to
be more resilient, will tend to be more willing to
take risks. We we love to live a less ordinary life.
You know, we want to move and change and you know,
give lots of things to go and in that place

(37:53):
we call out what doesn't work and we share what does.
And they tend to be people that others have very
drawn to because they feel like, wow, you've walked in
my shoes. Because there's a lot of experiences that are
Ligne three will have. Then we go to the line four,
which is one of your lines, and the line four
is you know, it's what we call one of the

(38:14):
foundational lines. The line one is the other foundational line
and your foundation. So your safety and security in life
is going to come from the relationships you have, from
the family you have, from the community you have, from
the network you have. You know, everything from job opportunities
to intimate partners, to best friends to where to go

(38:36):
on holiday, all of that is going to come through
your relationships. You know, one of my dear friends and
one of the teachers in my membership community, she talks
about from the marketing perspective, it's like, you don't need
to market out there because you just need to hang
out with your people. And when you hang out with
your people, they're going to do the marketing for you.
And it's really important for the line force to have

(38:59):
really solid boundaries around their relationships. If a relationship isn't
serving you, if it's toxic, if you know it's not
correct for you, you have to be courageous enough to
leave that relationship because so much of your life is
about or the quality of your life will be reflected
in the quality of your relationships. Does that resonate with.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
You one hundred percent? Yes, I mean it's it's interesting
that you say that because so often and I think
I've said this recently, but especially if my romantic relationships,
like the rest of my life could be great, you know,
like jobs could be going well, everything seems on paper
like it should be good. But if my romantic relationship

(39:41):
is not, it can take me completely out. Like it's
like it's just like I can't function no matter what
else is happening, and it really kind of starts to
trickle over into everything. Yeah. So yeah, that's so fascinating
that that, And that's a lot thought, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Like the old school, let's say, even from a coaching perspective,
what would we do well, we'd help you make really
solid boundaries around that so the intimate relationship doesn't leak
into the other areas, whereas when we put human design
with it, we say, nope, you actually need to put
this intimate relationship like this needs to be a priority

(40:17):
for you right up here on the pedestal. So if
that's not one hundred percent, then it's got to go.
You've got to have such good boundaries around that because
you're designed to have those relationships affect you in every
area because and just as much as the bad the good,
you know. So it's like exactly right, So heal your stuff,

(40:39):
raise your consciousness, put your boundaries in place, and make
sure you're really honest about the people in your life,
and then all areas of your life are going to
go really well.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, because I can also have the positive like you
were just saying, where it's like I'm feeding off the
positive energy of those relationships so much though that it's like,
especially being the generator or whatever. I think I've become
more magnetic that way. And it's just like if I'm
in that late just walking around happy and free and feelings,
I think what you said about the security and safety

(41:08):
is the biggest piece for me. When I feel that,
then all of these things start flying in. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Exactly wow, exactly exactly, So I love that.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Then we go to the line five, and the line
five is the heretic, and we as line five. I'm
under line five myself. These are people who they're often healers.
They have to heal themselves first and then hear the
other they have this real dance with power because the

(41:40):
line five in merit many areas of the chart really
talks about leadership and power. Ultimately, the line five with
the solutions. Okay, so if you have a line five
in your life, then they are probably the ones that
hold space for you, that help you solve your problems,
that you know, think out of the box, that you

(42:00):
know really support you. If you have a line five
in your life, please support them, because in most cases
people don't return the favor, so we wander around until
we find ourselves another line five and go, Okay, now
someone's going to help me and hold space for me.
But they're very practical, they're very solutions based, and yeah,

(42:21):
they're the ones that want to have a big impact
on the planet. Then we have the line six, which
is you, and the line six is the role model.
And if the first thing that I say to every
line six is one of the themes of your life
is going to be patients because you are going to
as we all do, but even more so for you,

(42:44):
that your real gift to the planet is going to
take time because it's going to be so brilliant. The
line six is always looking for something special, whether that's
in a relationship, whether that's the work that they do,
whether that's you know, even the things that they have
in their life. They're looking for something special. These are

(43:05):
the visionaries. These are the people who can see the
potential around the corner for planet Earth that they can see.
Like one of my favorite metaphors is like with the
line six, there's some areas in the chart that you
can kind of look at money and wealth and prosperity,
and if you have a line six in my certain area,
then you're this person that could see a world without

(43:26):
money because it's this whole visionary place where, yeah, what
if we didn't need money, What if we just did
what we loved and then we just shared what we
loved and it all just went around like perfect right, right, So,
as a line six, you have this real visionary ability
and you really are although we are very unique, the
line six has this extra level of uniqueness, like because

(43:50):
a lot of your purpose is to be authentically you,
and when you're being authentically you, you give everyone else
permission to do the same. So a lot of your
journey and the line six is are what we call
triphasic so it's almost like you have your one version
of you up until the age of thirty. Then you're
a different version of you between thirty and fifty, and
then you really step into this role model piece after

(44:12):
fifty where everyone just wants to sit and listen to
you speak like you're you know, Yoda sitting on a
cushion or something like that. So so yeah, then wait
for it, it'll come.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
You guys are missing me sitting on my mountain top
burning message, just come listen to me.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Exactly right, I love it.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So as that air is there only six?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah, okay, there's only six, and then the two come together.
So everyone will have two numbers, like I'm a three five,
you're a four six. You could be a one three
or two four, So the two numbers will come together.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
So why do we have two? And then how do
they work together?

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Great question? So we have two because we have the
first number comes from the conscious side of our chart,
or the person side of our chart, and then the
second number comes from the body or the unconscious part
of our chart. So there's these two readings that we
get the time of birth and the approximately three months
before we're born. So they're the two numbers that come together,

(45:15):
and how they work together is that with the second number,
we have to It's almost like we have to align
to that first because that's the body, that's the vehicle,
that's the soul's purpose that side of the chart. However,
it's so innate, it's also called unconscious that sometimes we're

(45:36):
not aware of it. So with human design, it helps
us bring it to the conscious awareness, meaning that we
can do something about it, meaning we can lean into it,
we can let go over the fears of it, we
can stop expressing the shadow of it and start expressing
the high potential of it. And then the second number
is our Sorry, the first number from the personality side
then shines brighter. So I'll give you an example. I'm

(45:59):
a three to five, So a lot of my work
in the world came from my healing journey. As a
line five, then as a line five, I heal myself,
I have all these experiences. Three, I'm having all these experiences,
and I'm healing my self, experience healing my self, experience
healing myself. Then my line five goes right. I want
to universalize this, meaning the line fives want to take

(46:20):
it all out into the world. They want to teach everyone,
share it with everyone. But I have to do that
for me first. Now the third part of the third
about the third, but the next part for your profile
that's very important is if you have the big number
or the small number first. So again let me give

(46:40):
you an example. I have the small number first, you
have the small number. First, we're both personal profiles, meaning
that your focus needs to be on your personal journey.
If you focus too much on the other, then you
will get out of alignment. Okay, you need to be
focused on your journey and then especially being aligned for like,

(47:02):
all you're going to want to do is share it
with your network. However, you have to have your journey first.
For me, the same like I have to heal me first,
have my experiences first, then I take it out to
the world. Now, if you have the big number first,
you need to be more focused on the other than yourself.
Now that doesn't mean that you neglect yourself, don't nurture yourself,

(47:26):
don't have your own self care, all those things. It's
that if you get into a place where you are
thinking so much about yourself and your own journey, that's
going to be really, really disempowering for you. You're going
to feel lost, stuck, you know, probably anxious, maybe depressed,
sad at the like, this sort of stuff's going to
start to play out. So you have to then focus

(47:49):
on the other. So let me just give you a
really simple metaphor that I often use. As I said,
twenty years ago, I was diagnosed with depression, which I'm
completely healed of, and I was the one who went
through that journey. When I was diagnosed, I hit the books,
I did the learning, I ran the experiments, I did
all the things. Then I went out in the world
and shared what I learned with others. Now, if you

(48:11):
have the big number, maybe you're a six to two,
maybe you're a five two, maybe you're a five to one.
If you were in the same boat as me and
you would diagnosed with depression, the best thing for you
to do would be find someone else that has depression
and focus on helping them heal. And if you focus
on helping them heal their mental health, you will heal

(48:33):
your mental health in that process. So it's just like
this different kind of focal point.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, when you're talking too, I was just thinking, are
there certain numbers that would be more compatible with others,
because I have a ton of three fives in my life,
and I don't know if that's because we're supposed to
work well together, if we like feed off each other,
or is that just coincidence, Like, are there certain numbers

(48:59):
that work better with each other? Or is this just
to help us understand maybe motivations of each person.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, so I love this. This is such a great question. So, yes,
we do have harmonic some harmonic profiles, and for you
it would be you would be like the one three
would be your harmonic profile.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay, okay, for.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Me it's the six two. However, what we do find is,
and this is kind of going back to the behavioral
thing you know, we know in behavioral science, let's just
call it that, we know that we will attract partners
and friendships that are similar behaviorally to our parents. With

(49:41):
human design, we find the exact same thing. So if
you maybe your parents were three fives, maybe your best
friend growing up was a three five, Maybe you had
a lot of three five energy when you're in that
imprint stage zero to seven, so you'll tend to call
more three fives in now the three five profile. It
is also the most personable, like it's the one that

(50:04):
people are the most drawn to because they just feel
very down to earth, like they get people and they
have that five. That's like I can help you because
the five can be very you know, superhero savior that
kind of energy, so it could be a bunch of
different things. And the way we would really hone in

(50:24):
on that is you would have a look at your chart,
your friends charts or these primary relationships charts, and then
look at your parents' charts and say, okay, cool, well
you were conditioned by three to five, so that energy
is going to feel really good to you. And then
if you find their relationships that come and go, then
you want to pay attention to the nuance of the

(50:46):
design that's coming and going because it's there to teach
you something. And I know we probably won't get time
to go into incarnation crosses, but this is a place
in human design that is really great for this because
each incarnation cross has a friend of mine, Brenda Magison,
who's written a brilliant book on incarnation crosses. She has
a dinner party question for each incarnation cross. So when

(51:08):
you meet someone, you can ask yourself the question that
that cross brings. So for example, you've called me in today,
and my cross is the cross of planning. So the
question that you need to go away and journal on
is what does your community need? Because you've called in
my energy.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Okay, well you know I'm going to do this right sooner. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I do it as a community need. Okay, that is
so interesting. So explain what the incarnation cross means?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
What is that? Yes, so we call the incarnation cross.
It's the job description of your aura. So the and
this is kind of what ra who is the guy
that channeled all of this information in rah Uu who
He talked about it this way and in a way
that it's just it's kind of happening. We've got to
make sure we don't try and interfere too much. The

(52:02):
only thing we need to do is raise our consciousness.
So what does that mean? Identify our fear and shadow,
accept it, acknowledge it, integrate it, and then access the
gift and the higher potentials that lie within these energies. Now,
our incarnation cross, it's what our aura is doing all
the time and depending on some other nuances deep down,

(52:24):
like some people have what we call a high workload
incarnation Cross like I do, meaning that every single person
that comes into Aura with me, they've called in the
cross of planning. So they have this like what does
my community need? Some people don't have such a high
workload cross, and it'll depend on all their definition. But

(52:46):
the incarnation Cross is this piece that it's always operating.
It makes up you know, in the gene Keys, Richard
Rudd calls it our activation sequence. It's our genius, it's
our most prominent energies, it's our Sun Earth energies. On
both sides, so they're going to be really big players,
really big energies for who you feel you are and

(53:07):
how you serve in the world. They're very aligned to
your purpose. You like your life's work, what drives you
to do the work that you do. It's also about
how you feel really fulfilled. It's also how you access
like the greatest vitality within you. And you know, even
within these gates, we can go deeper and really understand

(53:28):
the way we take in life, the environment, we thrive
in the way we perceive life, because we all have
our own very unique filters and you know what motivates us.
So within these top two on each side, so it's
top four what we call gates in the Sun and
the Earth. There is just so much going on about

(53:49):
really who we hear, who we are, and why we here.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Okay, gosh, I feel like I could ask you questions
all day, so we just may have to have you back.
We need to talk about gene keys and then down
this human design stuff even more. But if you are
listening and you've gotten a little bit excited about human
design as I have, Emma has her own podcast. It's
called The Human Design Podcast with Emma Dunwoodie. I actually
recently listened to the Generator podcast and one of the

(54:15):
main things that really helped me was just because you
can doesn't mean you should. That was like, oh, you
would thake my head popped off my body because it
doesn't sound that like crazy to say, but for a
person like me, I'm like, sure I can do that,
Sure I can do that, Sure I can do that.
Sure I can do that until I am literally like
crippled on the floor because I can't do anymore and

(54:36):
I'm doing things for other people that should be doing
it for themselves too often. So that that was a
freeing statement and I got that from the podcast what
else can people find on your podcast.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Well, they can find all sorts of things obviously I
go through. In fact, if you go way back, you
can literally start at the beginning and unpack your chat.
You can get out free chot from the website and
it will point you to the episodes to help you
unpack your own chart. But I also love like, I'm
really into purpose. I'm really into the work. Of course,

(55:10):
I'm an MG, the work that we're here to do
on the planet, so we love to focus on that.
We also love to have heart centered, high consciousness business
owners that are also doing their purpose their work in
the world. So yeah, it's just I love it. It's
also again it's in my design like this in my

(55:31):
line number, in my purpose sphere, sure enough to use
my voice. So my podcast really is just my heart.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
And if people wanted to work with you in a
session or learn more about their own chart, where would
they find that information, Well, you.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Can jump onto the website. Everything you need is on
the website. There's links to we I have an entire
coaching team that I encourage everyone to get on there
and intuitively pick you want to work with. They're all exceptional.
They coach everyone in my membership. I've got a huge
membership community that is just and community is in my
personality son, So it's one of the things that I'm

(56:10):
really good at. Yet I do nothing. I do nothing
to create these amazing communities other than set the intention
and turn up. And we have this amazing community there
which our coaches are always in there as well. So
there's plenty of ways that you can work with us
or with me, and you'll find on the website.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
That's Emma Dunwoody dot com. I'll put it in the
description of this podcast. Thank you so much for being here.
I love this stuff, so, I mean all the listeners know,
I geek out over it. This is like my Christmas
to get to talk about this. So thank you so
much for being here and for sharing all that information
with us.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Oh you're so welcome. Thank you so much for having me,
and yeah, I'd love to be back, and yeah, just
let me know what you want me to talk about
and I'll be here with bells on deal.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Thank you guys for listening.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
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